May 16, 2025 • 41 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
Gary Burchett - Head of Sport Content for Sky Television New Zealand - First XV Rugby Back Returns to Sky Sport
Talkback - Is it harming the kids long-term with the pressure involved?
Dean Baker - Former Team New Zealand Skipper - On the America's Cup Heading to Italy for the 2027 Event
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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up on the evenings program, plenty of me, quite a
lot of you, and a wee bit of Gary and
a touch of Dean. Dean Biker form my teen news
on Skipper joins us laughter on a piece. But what
does he know about Naples? I've got no idea. How's
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the water It's good? How's the breeze? Is it okay?
Who's going to be there? What's going to be in
the protocol? I have so many questions, and Dean Barker
will feel those questions later on in the program. If
you haven't caught up with the news Naples the Italians,
because the America's Cup is now Italy's Cup, and that's
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where the America's Cup is going to be contested at
the Coast of Naples coming up in twenty twenty seven.
We're going to start the program with Gary birch Att.
He's the head of sport content for Sky TV and
he's helland first fifteen rugby. It's returning to Sky Sport.
It's on the way back. Remember it got the Spanish
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archert elbow got twenty twenty two, I think it was.
This is going back and Gary's going to tell us
why and and who and what's going to cast them,
what the problems are going to be and how they
overcome and where the hell is Auckland one A No,
they said, yeah, they're not there. Here we go. It's
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what I'm saying. This this is my this is my
this is my moment in the sun. They'll be back.
That has to live east baby, and he's going to return.
I sit around for a season watching it going. I
stink we should be in this competition. This is no
good and the rest of the country be going hah,
we will see anyway. Gary Bircht joins us shortly to
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talk about that. My question to you out there be
it older players, younger players, school players, parents, mum's dad's
interested bystanders. Should first fifteen rugby actually be broadcast live
on Telly? This is actually good for the development of
the children. There are a number of reasons why it
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got kept to the curb last time. We'll run through
a few of those after we talk with Gary. I'm
interested in where you sit on this. A lot of pressure,
a lot of fame. Is it necessarily good for another
game of rugby? I'm not saying it is, and I'm
asking you the question and you can tell me your
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answer on at eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. But
before we do any of that.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Let's do this Sport today and in Sports.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Today, QUM a Formula one pilot Liam Lawson is easing
into the dramas of life and the really really fast
lane is season to date has been lean, but he
can see some fats on the track at EMMA.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Every weekend gets, you know, you get more comfortable and
also coming to tracks that we've been to before as well.
I mean, obviously Miami was a tricky one. I think
we've had good speed in the carpets. There's a lot
of variables in Formula one and just to get a
whole weekend together. It's been quite tough recently.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Liam qualify and qualify well. Control of controllables, push car
blocks up, which is racing balls k we squashed star
Paul Cole has a pyramid declined to get to the
final of the PSA World Champce in Chicago. World number one,
the Egyptian Moustafa assay Asa excuse me, stands in his way.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I'm pretty clear about how I want to play.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
It's just a matter of executing on the biggest stage
against the world number one, so I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
She wants to kill him on the main stage too, executing.
Sorry all whites Ford. Max Marta has been scratched from
the first leg of ak sees a semi final against
the victory coach Corriker hopes Max won't be too long
(04:51):
in the sick bait soon.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Yeah, possibly next week. I'm not sure exactly. This tweets
his hamstring a little bit, so it feels pretty good
after a couple of days. But yeah, it'll be closer
next week maybe.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Ryan Fox is happy to brutalize the ball off the
coil hollow setting forth in the PGA Championship. He's prepared
to unleash hell with the driver.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Maybe not that much strategy off the tea. You've just
got to hit it hard and pretty straight. But there's
definitely a little bit of controlling your golf ball into
the greens and picking the right spots where you want
to hit it and where you're trying to miss it.
And that's what you want for a major championship.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
So agricultural, we love kiwis like that, more strengthier arm
foxy and that's Sport today, Drop after seven. Time to
talk the return of first fifteen rugby to national television,
to pay television, to Sky Sport. And we're joined by
the head of sport content for Sky TV. Now. His
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name is Gary Murchie. Joins us. Good evening, Gary, Darcy,
be with you again and great to have you on
Massive News today. First fifteen rugby is back, first and
foremost wonderful news.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
How well I really have to thank Sky has to
thank the schools for their ongoing enthusiasm and for their
desire for schoolboy rugby to be beamed around the screens
across Alta. It's not a sky Lit initiative. This is
done in concert with the schools. As you can appreciate,
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you need to be invited on school grounds to showcase rugby.
So we can't do this without the support of the schools.
And what we're hearing is that schools and communities are
just truly excited for the prospect of bringing you know,
first fifteen rugby back, and we're encouraged by their enthusiastic response.
I think it's a great win for rugby. You know,
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in this day and age.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Did they approach you Gary?
Speaker 7 (06:52):
The conversations have been ongoing, I think since Sky stopped
doing First fifteen sort of nineteen was twenty nineteen, twenty
twenty so, and we just got to a point where
there was there was such a chorus of enthusiasm from
from rugby fans and the schools that there was just
an opportunity to seriously reignite the competition. So we've heard,
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we've listened, and we've responded.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Is there a case of right money changing hand? What
a Sky stand to make out of this? And indeed,
what are the schools stand to make out of us?
When we're talking purely fiscally here.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
This is not a not a commercial play. In fact,
you know what it takes to put on a sports
broadcast Whilst it won't have the kind of production spec
that Super Rugby or some of our more prominent sports justify.
There's still an expense of mobilizing teams around the country.
So this is this is not a commercial play for Sky,
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but it's more of a complementary experience, but more tapping
into one of the most passionate fan bases of rugby
union in this country. The all good sporting contests need
healthy tis and I don't think there's greater tribalism than
what you see at first fifteen level. And as a
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relatively new kiwee, I remember like coming to this country
and then seeing videos of say, the Kevin's kids all
coming down, you know, in convoy onto the field of
play and doing the harker. I remember sending those visuals
to my colleagues and friends around the world who are
absolutely staggered that this kind of passion and loyalty at
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school level exists. So sport is about celebrating that passion,
celebrating that rivalry, and we're glad that we can be
the conduit to bring you know, that collegiate and that
that healthy level of competition to our screens and to
our fans.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Are you guys going to take ahead because it won't
be cheap. You said it's not going to be super
rugby level production, but I'm presuming you're not going to
film it on potato. You're going to put in a
really good shot to film all these games. So you
guys are actually taking a wallet to put this on air,
aren't you.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
Yeah, we've also got to be smart about how we
do productions, and in this day and age, remote productions
are very tactical and strategic way of capturing live sport.
You don't bring a full ensemble of production personnel to
a venue. With fiber connectivity, you can actually bring pictures back.
You can have your director in the studio, you can
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have your commentators in the studio, your tape operators, your audio,
and you can do a very solid production without the
production footprint at the actual match itself. So we're very
smart about the way we want to deliver this kind
of content. And having said that, it's also worth noting
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that we are going to be bringing some of how
big guns to do the occasional call like Jeff Wilson, Mills, Muliaina,
you know, justin Marshall broadcasters, but they're also ads and
they also know, you know, the pressures and the opportunities
that young men and women in this country you have
when given an opportunity to be featured on national broadcast.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
The benefits for the schools that's not going to be financial,
But what do they get out of this? What do
they see as a positive for engaging.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
In this healthy competition? You know, a lot a lot
of schools can use sport as a very powerful tool
for promoting school values. We've seen that very clearly in
the US. I think that probably best exemplifies the power
of the sports team doing rather well. Look, I can't
speak on behalf of the schools. I can just speak
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on behalf of the of a broadcaster who knows the
power of sport. We know that, we know that when
you're in a sporting team, the values of resilience and
unity and harmony, collaboration and empowerment, they're they're they're they're
really valuable skill sets and principles just in every day life,
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you know, and being being on a national broadcast can
do wonders. I mean, the conversations that I've had, you know,
with with various schools and with various communities and families,
is that all the kids are fizzed. Who wouldn't want
to be and then and having that opportunity to be
in front, you know, of a live TV audience and
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potentially own your moment. I mean it's fair to say
that I could think of a couple of current All
Blacks who probably got their their breakthrough through through First
fifteen through that exposure. So I think it's a wonderful
opportunity to shine the light of the next generation of
talents in So.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
The elephant in the room is Auckland one A. They're
not involved. Tell us about the way that work. Did
you approach them, did they walk? What was the deal there?
Because this is something that you know the biggest population
in New Zealand will go what about them? What's the
deal with that? Gary?
Speaker 7 (12:06):
Look, we've had a constructive dialogue with the Awful and
one Air Competition as part of our planning. But yes,
you're right that no matches from that league will be
broadcast this season on Sky and look, we're not in
the position to coerce or force that's not our objective.
We certainly remain open to working with the one A
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competition in the future and as head of Sport, I
hope that when they look at the brand and the
style and the tonality of coverage that they see on Sky,
that we give it, you know, the Goldies and the
Marshes and the Mills and some of our top tier
talent in tandem with a very slick, you know, graphics
and creative package, that they look and understand what we're
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trying to do with rugby. We want to grow the
game at Sky. We want more people to play rugby,
we want more people to talk about rugby. So we
think it's there's no better opportunity than tapping into a
really strong and cherished format that is a hotbed of
passion and very healthy rivalry Gary.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
When it all disappeared back in twenty twenty two, there
was numerous points that the schools brought up they were
uncomfortable with. For one, a schools student well being, unhealthy,
scrutiny of the players, professionalization of the game, lack of control,
the potential for poaching. What lessons did you pick up
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out of that and how's it affected? How are you
going to cover the games this time around, even though
the Auckland teams aren't involved.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
All very valid points and we are not deaf to
that criticism and that scrutiny. But I just want to
be very clear that the scrutiny will not come from Sky.
We take our responsibility as broadcasters extremely seriously. You must
appreciate that the tonality of schoolboy rugby coverage will be
vastly different to that of professional rugby or any professional
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sports that we cover. These miners are in the infancy
of their sporting journey, so we need to be mind
full of that. We're not. I mean, we have no
interest in being critical or crucifying potential careers. I mean
that's just counterproductive. We need We're there to champion sports,
celebrate sport, and we know that we've got a very
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important role in making sure that we do the best
to champion these bright athletes in a really responsible way.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I'm glad you mentioned minus this A question for you,
what kind of permission do you need from the schools,
from the parents in order to put this to air?
Is this a week by week at school by school,
a team by team situation.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
We have constructive and mature talks with the school. There's
a dos and don'ts, and we're working that with the schools.
At the moment, I'll be sitting down with my commentary
team very shortly and we'll be talking through our not
negotiables and what I just told you about making sure
that our commentary. All commentary has to be truthful, but
we're not going to show, you know, multiple replayers of
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a young kid knocking on a ball. We've also taken
the steps that we don't have any photo imagery when
we go through team cards, so you know, again, we
just want to make sure that we're doing our bit
to sort of celebrate the game and not in any
way look to injure reputations or do anything that may
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be seen to be casting a harsh and unfair eye
on the way that the game is played.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And I'm presuming from the running of the games and
how it all operates, that's in the hands of the schools.
It's not your control.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Yeah. So it's a lot of national competition as such,
so we've sort of hand picked twenty to twenty one
matches across the sort of six to eight week time period.
So we're starting with Nelson College and Marlborough on the
twenty ninth of May, and it's almost like we look
at the regions and we look at the schedules that
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those regions are put out and then we sort of
cherry pick the matches that we feel will resonate with
our audiences only.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Gary Birchett, and thank you so much for your time explanations.
What is the involvement of the Union in z are around.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
This Well, as far as I know, ns I have
always been a strong supporter of secondary rugby. Look, they
don't control the draws or the schedule. That's the domain
of the schools, which you've just implied because entry to
the grounds of the schools is incumbent on granting Sky permission.
But I understand that there is announcement coming out from
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NSNR shortly in respect to secondary schools rugby and that
an under eighteen secondary school side will be playing Australia.
So my understanding is that MSNR is very supportive in
promoting secondary schools rugby for the future.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
But you have engaged a theme around the coverage of this.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
I believe that our management team have also kept our partner,
a very valuable partner ends and are in step with
our movements.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Hearing from the biggest and sports you men have your
say on Way eighty Sports Talk or on your home
of sports and news talks.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
That be you know, so, wouldn't you? That is scary.
Birch ahead of sport content for Sky TV in New Zealand.
First fifteen rugby returns to Sky Sport except Auckland one
are they're not interested. I think they'll come back. I
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think when they see the fun and games that are
being had, and the coverage that has been gained, and
the joy amongst the children and the staff and the parents,
they'll go, oh, we might be wrong and they want
to flex against the rest of the North Island and
the South Island too, right. I don't see them sitting
there for much longer. That's just me. I don't know
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anyone in one a rugby. I don't know anyone in
high school. I left high school years ago, never to return,
not that they have me back. So that's the talk.
It's back now after a hiatus of some years. So
should it be broadcast live on TVs? That's a good thing,
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in a more wholesome picture, putting the pressure on these
young men. You're going to be on television, don't mess
it up. I'm glad I chose the word mess There
was something else I could have said.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Or.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
If you look at the other side of that might
help build better rugby plays. And I like the way
Gary said, Look, we're not the commentators aren't going to
pack on them. I'm going to do endless reruns of
guys who drop the ball and so on and so forth,
and we're not in that stage. We don't want to
do that, and all they should, but possibly the lessons
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behind being on live television could indeed work a treat
for these athletes. Later on in the piece, it's pressure absolutely.
Is it going to make diamonds or is it going
to squash people flat? I love your thoughts on this.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty lines of open
free phone number nation wide. Auckland don't want to bar
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off at the one A schools. The rest of the
country feel pretty keen to get back and involved live
First eleven rugby on the TV on Sky first fifteen.
What did I say, sorry, first eleven? Yeah, I'm still
in cricket Land. It's the middle of winter. Go figure
you know why, because I never got anywhere near the
first fifteen. I got near the first eleven, but it
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was Mardi Hoe High School and their first leven was
like fourth grade, what's something good? Hey? That was my everest.
Then climbs that Italian fell off the other side of
one hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open this
News Talks EB. It is seven twenty six and the
rugby the Islanders are b the Hurricanes after twenty minutes
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and they are beating them fourteen to seven. Conversion just
went over nice because they're not wearing those silly Marvel tops.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Heavy. So the right call is your call on eight
hundred and eighty eighty Sports Talk. Call on your home
of sports news Talk, Zibby who bounces away eyes just
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set one of them.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
Something inside that's happening up here, opportunity rather batak, just
just jonahlone the Holandess will score out and nothing outstanding
dry from the backfield and it's jonah looe is in
for a second. But it was Tala down this right
hand side, and I think it was Duckle secret he
sat on his backside down here, as we'll have a
look in the replay. But Jonahlo's ghost in out of
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nowhere talking.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I just looked up and saw the end of that
and I saw someone lying on their backside looking like
a fish out of water? Was that really? Dupes must
have been completely off balanced. They got planted right in
the chest and gon Burger fourteen seven, twenty three minutes
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the heighthender is beating the Hurricanes who have been punished
for wearing those marble shirts? Or was one of our
Texas pointed out those nutty marble shirts book honest mistake? Absolutely?
It will be text line nineteen ninety that z b
Z b Auckland schools wanted to get money from Sky
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that's why we're not there. They prove it. I don't
think you can. But maybe that's a theory you've got
around why they didn't come to the party. I'd find
that a little strange, but hey, it's what you think.
Throw that out there. The boys in a Potiki would
stay at college TI there were nineteen to be in
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the first fifteen motivated by being on telly? Were they?
But that's all changing, isn't it? As far as how
long you can be in school for? What are they? What?
Year five hundred? And they say, nah, it's that's the rollers.
I think that came up and caused a bit of
a ruckus. Take yourselves back to twenty twenty two, so
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the school Principles in one A. In between fighting with
themselves and stealing and hijacking each other's players, they banned
live broadcasts. They were worried about the well being of
the students. They worried about the scrutiny. They were worried
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that the kids who were as young as well fourteen fifteen,
possibly weren't equipped to handle that pressure. They express concern
that the games were being treated as an extension of
the professional game, maybe putting undue pressure on the young athletes,
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that there was a lot there they didn't like, and
we're not doing this anymore. I'll just run through it.
For your student well being Principles worried about the potential
for students who experience anxiety, stressed, negative impacts, and there
overall well being due to the attention scrutiny associated with
televised games unhealthy scrutiny. They believed that televised games could
expose students to an excessive amount of attention and potential
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negativity from both traditional and social media professionalism. Some felt
that live broadcasts were contributed to the professionalization of schoolboy rugby,
putting pressure on young players to perform at a higher
level than might be appropriate for their age. Lack of control.
Principles expressed concern about the lack of control they had
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over how students' performances were portrayed and interpreted by media
outlets bloody media. I added that but poaching possibly there
is potential for that. They believe that media coverage could
be used by the schools to recruit players for Auckland schools.
Well you're Aukland, one aid and start your poaching regardless.
Did it find that one a little hard to stomach?
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They may have had a point. You're a young player,
you've been through the system. You missed out in the
last few years of playing on TV? Did that do
you damage harm? Could it have done a lot more
for your career having that exposure. I'd say that the
people that missed it the most to be the NRL scouts.
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I'm serious. Remember there's no age or weight grades or
athing like that. That's going mate, you're good, You're gonna come
play with us bang. I mean maybe that's part of it,
but that's official. I don't read that anywhere, But that
could be so Gary Burchett about what they want to
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achieve and about the relationship and how they're going to work.
It's going to cost Sky a pile of money. They're
going to try and do it in a manner that
they've got to be clever, They've got to be cunning.
Way they shoot it, they commentate it, they cut it,
they produce it.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
I e.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
They can do it back in the studio. There's some
cameras there. I'll feed it back through. They won't be
potato cameras like we see sometimes with decent cameras so
look good, have great commentators. So it will it cost
them to do it as much as companies will say,
it's for the good of the game and we want
to lift And I'm sure there is a part of
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that coming out of Sky that because they are at
the moment, how long it's all last they've signed up yet, right,
But they're an integral part of rugby in this country,
Sky TV, so they want to foster great rugby, so
they will go into it that way. But they're not
a charity and they won't want to admit that part
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of this is to make money. You're part of it
is altruistic, that's fantastic, but they have to make some
money out of this, right They can't just run a
little loss unless they're taking a page out of Injured
this book. Ah, sorry, it's Friday night. Would you watch this?
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Did you watch this? I wonder how big the market
actually is. Were people out there? How many people tuned
them and said, I am watching that? How boutique?
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Their mums and the dads, the grandma's, the aunts, the uncles,
the principals, a couple of mates beyond that? Did many
people watch that? I know there there are a lot
of people out there in the world that still have
this what I see as an unhealthy obsession with where
they were s called than even in their fifties, they're
still banging on about a place they had pimples, yellow legs,
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all the horrid stuff about being at high school, and
they seem to think that was some kind of major
mover in their life. I'll give you the tip that wasn't.
You went there to learn stuff, then you got out
as quick as you could got into the real world. Okay,
what do you go to school for is learn how
to deal with humans? Said the guy without any degree
or university qualification. But bar I think it's an't. But
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that's just me. Maybe they watch it. Did you were
you interested? Would you watch NPC over this? I'm undecided.
It's good that they're putting it up there, and they're
putting up there for people to watch. I'm sure there'll
be a thrill out of it. Not my bag, but
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that's okay. Maybe the next great player you'll see. So
I remember blah blah blah when he was playing. You know,
we'say college. We saw him on TV. Great and good.
Just because I'm not a huge fan, so let me
say they couldn't do it. I just won't watch it
and watch something else e PC for example, just me
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coming up shortly in the program at Dean Barker joined
ZUS for My Teens on America's Cup Skipper as we
look at the America's Cup which is now Italy's Cup. Yep,
She's off to Naples seven at thirty seven Sports to
go on news talks. There bees twenty eight minutes gone.
Holand is still doing the Hurricanes fourteen to seven. What's
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a Mars place till the sun there is a way
can be like a magnet on me. I don't care.
Seventy one makes you didn't notice? I've seen it now
because I'm elderly in the TV is miles away. The
Hotlans are rocking and yellow at the moment they got
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about two minutes ago before they get their man back,
So seven point lead, there are one man down, team
to go on that second half. Right, let's talk about
of sailing now. Very much been the flavor this week,
hasn't it A news talks beat America's Cup? It is
off to Naples, that's where the defense will be, or
that we've got a win and again will be I'm
not quite sure what we're saying on that one. We're
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talking to America's Cup form a skip of Team New Zealand.
Dean Barker, Good evening, Dean, good, how are you? I'm well?
I got to ask first up simple question. Now, we
know where the America's Cup is going to be sailed,
don't know when, but we know where. What do you
know about Naples?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Dean, Well, we've sailed there a couple of times in
the two thousand and thirteen Cup. We did a couple
of Prairie getters there in the and that was yeah,
it was good. Financially we had some you know, some
good sailing and things. So clearly I'm sure everyone would
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rather be racing in Auckland, but it's I think having
an event in Italy is is probably going to be
the next best thing with obviously the passion with the
Lunarossa and their sort of their supporters, So yeah, I
guess it'll be a good alternative.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
What are the conditions like? Is this particularly suitable to
any team or any style of sailing? I mean, how
will these monsters deal with it out there? When when
you first heard the news, I mean, okay, this is
what I know. What's your takeaway from what you've experienced
and what you know of the Cup at the moment.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
The two times we went there, we had quite a
variety of conditions, so I've never really looked at a
weather study or anything of the venue, so I wouldn't
really know what the expected conditions are at you know,
the time of year they're talking for the America's Cup.
But it's I would assume, you know, like a lot
of these sort of venues, it's probably I would imagine
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it's probably more likely to be lighter ones. But I
really don't know. I haven't sort of seen any information
or what you know, what would be sort of normal
at that time of the year. But a lot of
these sort of venues you tend to be sort of
more on the light medium side of things. But you know,
we've we've raised there with strong ones, big waves, and
equally in some pretty light and light and drifty conditions
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as well. So yeah, I think you could be in
for a bit of a mixture. But it'll be interesting
to see what all the experts come up with.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Well, the ocean does what the ocean does. You can't
predict it, can You've got to be ready for everything.
And I suppose that's the beautiful of the beauty of
the of the briny deep. Don't listen to nobody.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Yeah, I think the announcement of the venue is certainly
for the teams that are looking to participate, well, you know,
the first thing I'm sure they'll be doing is putting
together their own weather weather studies to try and understand
what they're imp just so the design group probably has
some sort of parameters. But it's yeah, yeah, any of
these venues sort of throw up there and challenges, you know,
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whether it's logistics basis, you know, however, how that's going
to work and things.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
But it's.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
But I think just having a bit of certainty is
good after such a long period of I guess, no information.
So yeah, I'm sure everyone will be you know that's
involved will be welcoming that. And then I'm sure you know,
with the protocol once that comes out.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Dean, will this encourage more teams to enter? Like, you
don't know how long a piece of string is and
how much money it's going to cost them, But the
fact that it's smack bang in the middle of Europe
and in Italy, is this a good sign for more
entries for the Cup?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Well, it's hard to know that. The thing with that is,
you know, if the Cup's in twenty seven, you've got
two years really from now, which is not a lot
of time. You know, it takes twelve months to basically
build a boat once you've got a design. So I
think any new team that's looking to enter, it's sort
of already probably too late, you know in some ways,
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you know, without buying design packages and things. So yeah,
I think for a new team to come in, it's
pretty pretty challenging. That's it's not impossible. The French came
in obviously late, you know, with the assistance of Team
Zellen but it's.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, I don't really.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
It's hard to say, you know, with with both you know,
the alingy AND's sort of announcing that they're not likely
to continue, and the any Ol Sky Jim Redcliffe pulling
out you know it certain it's not really great signs,
but yeah, let's see what comes out of the woodwork.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
It's like predicting weather patterns and conditions. You simply don't know.
We go back to it, how long is a piece
of string? You means in the protocol and everybody's hanging
on the end of this what it may look at,
as far as eligibility, as far as what they're going
to be sailing that. The list goes on, and this
is one of the great dramas of the America's Cup,
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when the challenger and defender get together and go, right,
what are we going to do? What's your expectation around
that protocol? To the best of your knowledge? Do they
change much? Do they have to do they need to
simplify it, make it more complicated? What do you think
they'll do?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Den Well, it's sort of anyone's guess that I'm completely
removed from it all, so I don't have any real
understanding the but.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
As an interested bystander from what you've seen previously in
the events in the way, because it carries on expanding
and getting bigger and changing all the time. I mean,
it's constantly moving. So from a fans point of view,
where would you like to see it go?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
I think opening up the nationality for the teams is certainly.
I think it's high on the agenda for pretty much
all of the teams to allow. The numbers of sailors
on the boats now are so few that I think
the sailor should have the ability to be able to
work for whichever team they chose, and so I think
opening up the nationality is a complete no brainer. I
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believe there's a you know, there is been talk about
along that of those lines, and again that sort of
helps any new team that wants to come into when
they know their country may not actually have the experience
to silo boats. So I think they're definitely need to
do that what they they do in sort of a
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lot of the other decisions, you know, in terms of
the class rule and limitations on equipment and everything else.
You know, I know, there's always the focus on reducing
the cost. These campaigns are sort of getting more and
more expensive every time, so I'm sure there's obviously moves
there to try and contain the cost. But yeah, it's
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it'll be really interesting to see, you know what changes.
I think, you know, again, I think a lot of
the teams would be hoping and expecting for more prevance
in the AC forty's and again, that's sort of a
great opportunity for certainly for any of the newer teams
or less experienced teams to be able to try and
get up to speed. Has been able to do some
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racing because you know, there's just such limited options to
be able to sell. You know, in the last protocol,
you know, you went allowed to train with any other team,
so that's you know, it's kind of makes it very
hard to improve just practicing against yourself the whole time.
So it's yeah, we'll see see what they they came out.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
With as far as the actual action and what we
saw last time around with the boats they used, is
it actually necessary to change much? Did you enjoy what
you saw out there? I mean, we've sat around those
massive sleeps for so long and then suddenly there's big
boat challenges and catamarans. Now there's failing monoholes, it's crazy
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there maybe needs to come the farmale. But because they
know what they're up to now, and would that help
any new teams even though they've got maybe very little
time to prepare, would that maybe be a drive. I'm
not telling you to climb into Grant Dalton's head because
you probably can't. But from your perspective, is it best
maybe to stick similar to what they've got?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
I think yeah, for a lot of teams, I think
consistency between between editions of the cup is really important
because you you've got the assets and things that are
sitting there from the previous one as an existing team,
a new team will it means that you've probably got
the ability to buy a previous generation boat maybe to
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be able to give yourself a start. So really it's
the thing which is crippling is every time you end
up with a significant change to the rule or a
new class altogether, is that you're sort of everyone's starting
from scratch, and so then it's just a it's a
little bit sort of you know, flip a coin really
(38:06):
is what you know what the outcome may be. So yeah,
I think by sticking with the AC seventy five, and
I'm sure that that will be the case. You know,
maybe it'll look slightly different, or might be different numbers
of crew or more battery assistance or less automation. You know,
you just don't know what the what the between Ben
(38:28):
and his team whatever they call themselves now and Team
New Zealand, what they have agreed between the two of
them is what their sort of vision of the boats
should look like. And again that's sort of you know,
the challenges typically don't have any involvement, or the potential
challenges don't have any involvement, and a lot of that
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they can voice their opinion, but it really comes down
to the challenger, record and defender to decide what it'll be.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
And finally, Dean bark And, I know you want to
comment on particular personalities, fair enough as well. But the
transition of Team New Zealand. Now they've lost the very
successful skipper and Pete Berling got new people in place.
How difficult is it to manage the transition of key
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team members in a situation like this. They've got two years,
so that works well? Is this a potential for short call?
Is a good thing for the team.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
I haven't worked with Pete and the team. But I
think it will be a huge loss for team years
on that he's gone, and depending on where he's gone
or where he turns up, you know. But it's yeah,
there's obviously a lot of strong team members that have
stayed there, and so you know, they'll still be incredibly strong.
(39:50):
There's no question you've got a very strong design group,
good systems and everything else, and so the new personnel
i'm sure will adapt, you know, the culture that exists
in the place, I'm sure will allow them to be successful. Anyway,
who who knows that every time there's a change and
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and everything else, there's maybe that gives some of the
other teams a little bit more of a feeling that
there's maybe some vulnerability there so they can drives them
to push that bit harder. Who knows, But for sure,
teams Allens still going to be a very difficult prospect
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for any other teams to overcome. But you just really
don't know, you know what the you know what what's
going to turn up And because we know now in Naples.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
It's all up in the air. And I can attach
one of my favorite sayings to this, Dean the magic
is in the unknown. That's the joy of it all.
I mean, thank you very much for your time Dean
Barker here on News Talks. Here B you have a
great weekend.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
You cheers, you two.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Thanks for talk seven fifty three Dean Barker. There are
talking about way to now for the America's Cup. There
are so many variables in this, well there actually be one.
How many teams will be there? Like one? Can you
sail against yourself and at least your win. This is
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News Talks, AB. You're on Sports Talk.
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Here it is welcome. My name is sports Thorgs and
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after seven on a Friday night, sixteenth to May twenty
twenty five. Hi, welcome to my text bank method. Great
to have y'all on board, including the return of the
prodigal son Andy Dutt for the producers, Bruth Hello. Coming
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up on the evenings program, plenty of me, quite a
lot of you, and a wee bit of Gary and
a touch of Dean. Dean Biker form my teen news
on Skipper joins us laughter on a piece. But what
does he know about Naples? I've got no idea. How's
(01:13):
the water It's good? How's the breeze? Is it okay?
Who's going to be there? What's going to be in
the protocol? I have so many questions, and Dean Barker
will feel those questions later on in the program. If
you haven't caught up with the news Naples the Italians,
because the America's Cup is now Italy's Cup, and that's
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where the America's Cup is going to be contested at
the Coast of Naples coming up in twenty twenty seven.
We're going to start the program with Gary birch Att.
He's the head of sport content for Sky TV and
he's helland first fifteen rugby. It's returning to Sky Sport.
It's on the way back. Remember it got the Spanish
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archert elbow got twenty twenty two, I think it was.
This is going back and Gary's going to tell us
why and and who and what's going to cast them,
what the problems are going to be and how they
overcome and where the hell is Auckland one A No,
they said, yeah, they're not there. Here we go. It's
(02:20):
what I'm saying. This this is my this is my
this is my moment in the sun. They'll be back.
That has to live east baby, and he's going to return.
I sit around for a season watching it going. I
stink we should be in this competition. This is no
good and the rest of the country be going hah,
we will see anyway. Gary Bircht joins us shortly to
(02:41):
talk about that. My question to you out there be
it older players, younger players, school players, parents, mum's dad's
interested bystanders. Should first fifteen rugby actually be broadcast live
on Telly? This is actually good for the development of
the children. There are a number of reasons why it
(03:04):
got kept to the curb last time. We'll run through
a few of those after we talk with Gary. I'm
interested in where you sit on this. A lot of pressure,
a lot of fame. Is it necessarily good for another
game of rugby? I'm not saying it is, and I'm
asking you the question and you can tell me your
(03:24):
answer on at eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. But
before we do any of that.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Let's do this Sport today and in Sports.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Today, QUM a Formula one pilot Liam Lawson is easing
into the dramas of life and the really really fast
lane is season to date has been lean, but he
can see some fats on the track at EMMA.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Every weekend gets, you know, you get more comfortable and
also coming to tracks that we've been to before as well.
I mean, obviously Miami was a tricky one. I think
we've had good speed in the carpets. There's a lot
of variables in Formula one and just to get a
whole weekend together. It's been quite tough recently.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Liam qualify and qualify well. Control of controllables, push car
blocks up, which is racing balls k we squashed star
Paul Cole has a pyramid declined to get to the
final of the PSA World Champce in Chicago. World number one,
the Egyptian Moustafa assay Asa excuse me, stands in his way.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I'm pretty clear about how I want to play.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
It's just a matter of executing on the biggest stage
against the world number one, so I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
She wants to kill him on the main stage too, executing.
Sorry all whites Ford. Max Marta has been scratched from
the first leg of ak sees a semi final against
the victory coach Corriker hopes Max won't be too long
(04:51):
in the sick bait soon.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Yeah, possibly next week. I'm not sure exactly. This tweets
his hamstring a little bit, so it feels pretty good
after a couple of days. But yeah, it'll be closer
next week maybe.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Ryan Fox is happy to brutalize the ball off the
coil hollow setting forth in the PGA Championship. He's prepared
to unleash hell with the driver.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Maybe not that much strategy off the tea. You've just
got to hit it hard and pretty straight. But there's
definitely a little bit of controlling your golf ball into
the greens and picking the right spots where you want
to hit it and where you're trying to miss it.
And that's what you want for a major championship.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
So agricultural, we love kiwis like that, more strengthier arm
foxy and that's Sport today, Drop after seven. Time to
talk the return of first fifteen rugby to national television,
to pay television, to Sky Sport. And we're joined by
the head of sport content for Sky TV. Now. His
(05:52):
name is Gary Murchie. Joins us. Good evening, Gary, Darcy,
be with you again and great to have you on
Massive News today. First fifteen rugby is back, first and
foremost wonderful news.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
How well I really have to thank Sky has to
thank the schools for their ongoing enthusiasm and for their
desire for schoolboy rugby to be beamed around the screens
across Alta. It's not a sky Lit initiative. This is
done in concert with the schools. As you can appreciate,
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you need to be invited on school grounds to showcase rugby.
So we can't do this without the support of the schools.
And what we're hearing is that schools and communities are
just truly excited for the prospect of bringing you know,
first fifteen rugby back, and we're encouraged by their enthusiastic response.
I think it's a great win for rugby. You know,
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in this day and age.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Did they approach you Gary?
Speaker 7 (06:52):
The conversations have been ongoing, I think since Sky stopped
doing First fifteen sort of nineteen was twenty nineteen, twenty
twenty so, and we just got to a point where
there was there was such a chorus of enthusiasm from
from rugby fans and the schools that there was just
an opportunity to seriously reignite the competition. So we've heard,
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we've listened, and we've responded.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Is there a case of right money changing hand? What
a Sky stand to make out of this? And indeed,
what are the schools stand to make out of us?
When we're talking purely fiscally here.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
This is not a not a commercial play. In fact,
you know what it takes to put on a sports
broadcast Whilst it won't have the kind of production spec
that Super Rugby or some of our more prominent sports justify.
There's still an expense of mobilizing teams around the country.
So this is this is not a commercial play for Sky,
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but it's more of a complementary experience, but more tapping
into one of the most passionate fan bases of rugby
union in this country. The all good sporting contests need
healthy tis and I don't think there's greater tribalism than
what you see at first fifteen level. And as a
(08:14):
relatively new kiwee, I remember like coming to this country
and then seeing videos of say, the Kevin's kids all
coming down, you know, in convoy onto the field of
play and doing the harker. I remember sending those visuals
to my colleagues and friends around the world who are
absolutely staggered that this kind of passion and loyalty at
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school level exists. So sport is about celebrating that passion,
celebrating that rivalry, and we're glad that we can be
the conduit to bring you know, that collegiate and that
that healthy level of competition to our screens and to
our fans.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Are you guys going to take ahead because it won't
be cheap. You said it's not going to be super
rugby level production, but I'm presuming you're not going to
film it on potato. You're going to put in a
really good shot to film all these games. So you
guys are actually taking a wallet to put this on air,
aren't you.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
Yeah, we've also got to be smart about how we
do productions, and in this day and age, remote productions
are very tactical and strategic way of capturing live sport.
You don't bring a full ensemble of production personnel to
a venue. With fiber connectivity, you can actually bring pictures back.
You can have your director in the studio, you can
(09:31):
have your commentators in the studio, your tape operators, your audio,
and you can do a very solid production without the
production footprint at the actual match itself. So we're very
smart about the way we want to deliver this kind
of content. And having said that, it's also worth noting
(09:53):
that we are going to be bringing some of how
big guns to do the occasional call like Jeff Wilson, Mills, Muliaina,
you know, justin Marshall broadcasters, but they're also ads and
they also know, you know, the pressures and the opportunities
that young men and women in this country you have
when given an opportunity to be featured on national broadcast.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
The benefits for the schools that's not going to be financial,
But what do they get out of this? What do
they see as a positive for engaging.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
In this healthy competition? You know, a lot a lot
of schools can use sport as a very powerful tool
for promoting school values. We've seen that very clearly in
the US. I think that probably best exemplifies the power
of the sports team doing rather well. Look, I can't
speak on behalf of the schools. I can just speak
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on behalf of the of a broadcaster who knows the
power of sport. We know that, we know that when
you're in a sporting team, the values of resilience and
unity and harmony, collaboration and empowerment, they're they're they're they're
really valuable skill sets and principles just in every day life,
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you know, and being being on a national broadcast can
do wonders. I mean, the conversations that I've had, you know,
with with various schools and with various communities and families,
is that all the kids are fizzed. Who wouldn't want
to be and then and having that opportunity to be
in front, you know, of a live TV audience and
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potentially own your moment. I mean it's fair to say
that I could think of a couple of current All
Blacks who probably got their their breakthrough through through First
fifteen through that exposure. So I think it's a wonderful
opportunity to shine the light of the next generation of
talents in So.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
The elephant in the room is Auckland one A. They're
not involved. Tell us about the way that work. Did
you approach them, did they walk? What was the deal there?
Because this is something that you know the biggest population
in New Zealand will go what about them? What's the
deal with that? Gary?
Speaker 7 (12:06):
Look, we've had a constructive dialogue with the Awful and
one Air Competition as part of our planning. But yes,
you're right that no matches from that league will be
broadcast this season on Sky and look, we're not in
the position to coerce or force that's not our objective.
We certainly remain open to working with the one A
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competition in the future and as head of Sport, I
hope that when they look at the brand and the
style and the tonality of coverage that they see on Sky,
that we give it, you know, the Goldies and the
Marshes and the Mills and some of our top tier
talent in tandem with a very slick, you know, graphics
and creative package, that they look and understand what we're
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trying to do with rugby. We want to grow the
game at Sky. We want more people to play rugby,
we want more people to talk about rugby. So we
think it's there's no better opportunity than tapping into a
really strong and cherished format that is a hotbed of
passion and very healthy rivalry Gary.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
When it all disappeared back in twenty twenty two, there
was numerous points that the schools brought up they were
uncomfortable with. For one, a schools student well being, unhealthy,
scrutiny of the players, professionalization of the game, lack of control,
the potential for poaching. What lessons did you pick up
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out of that and how's it affected? How are you
going to cover the games this time around, even though
the Auckland teams aren't involved.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
All very valid points and we are not deaf to
that criticism and that scrutiny. But I just want to
be very clear that the scrutiny will not come from Sky.
We take our responsibility as broadcasters extremely seriously. You must
appreciate that the tonality of schoolboy rugby coverage will be
vastly different to that of professional rugby or any professional
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sports that we cover. These miners are in the infancy
of their sporting journey, so we need to be mind
full of that. We're not. I mean, we have no
interest in being critical or crucifying potential careers. I mean
that's just counterproductive. We need We're there to champion sports,
celebrate sport, and we know that we've got a very
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important role in making sure that we do the best
to champion these bright athletes in a really responsible way.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I'm glad you mentioned minus this A question for you,
what kind of permission do you need from the schools,
from the parents in order to put this to air?
Is this a week by week at school by school,
a team by team situation.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
We have constructive and mature talks with the school. There's
a dos and don'ts, and we're working that with the schools.
At the moment, I'll be sitting down with my commentary
team very shortly and we'll be talking through our not
negotiables and what I just told you about making sure
that our commentary. All commentary has to be truthful, but
we're not going to show, you know, multiple replayers of
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a young kid knocking on a ball. We've also taken
the steps that we don't have any photo imagery when
we go through team cards, so you know, again, we
just want to make sure that we're doing our bit
to sort of celebrate the game and not in any
way look to injure reputations or do anything that may
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be seen to be casting a harsh and unfair eye
on the way that the game is played.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And I'm presuming from the running of the games and
how it all operates, that's in the hands of the schools.
It's not your control.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Yeah. So it's a lot of national competition as such,
so we've sort of hand picked twenty to twenty one
matches across the sort of six to eight week time period.
So we're starting with Nelson College and Marlborough on the
twenty ninth of May, and it's almost like we look
at the regions and we look at the schedules that
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those regions are put out and then we sort of
cherry pick the matches that we feel will resonate with
our audiences only.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Gary Birchett, and thank you so much for your time explanations.
What is the involvement of the Union in z are around.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
This Well, as far as I know, ns I have
always been a strong supporter of secondary rugby. Look, they
don't control the draws or the schedule. That's the domain
of the schools, which you've just implied because entry to
the grounds of the schools is incumbent on granting Sky permission.
But I understand that there is announcement coming out from
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NSNR shortly in respect to secondary schools rugby and that
an under eighteen secondary school side will be playing Australia.
So my understanding is that MSNR is very supportive in
promoting secondary schools rugby for the future.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
But you have engaged a theme around the coverage of this.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
I believe that our management team have also kept our partner,
a very valuable partner ends and are in step with
our movements.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Hearing from the biggest and sports you men have your
say on Way eighty Sports Talk or on your home
of sports and news talks.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
That be you know, so, wouldn't you? That is scary.
Birch ahead of sport content for Sky TV in New Zealand.
First fifteen rugby returns to Sky Sport except Auckland one
are they're not interested. I think they'll come back. I
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think when they see the fun and games that are
being had, and the coverage that has been gained, and
the joy amongst the children and the staff and the parents,
they'll go, oh, we might be wrong and they want
to flex against the rest of the North Island and
the South Island too, right. I don't see them sitting
there for much longer. That's just me. I don't know
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anyone in one a rugby. I don't know anyone in
high school. I left high school years ago, never to return,
not that they have me back. So that's the talk.
It's back now after a hiatus of some years. So
should it be broadcast live on TVs? That's a good thing,
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in a more wholesome picture, putting the pressure on these
young men. You're going to be on television, don't mess
it up. I'm glad I chose the word mess There
was something else I could have said.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Or.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
If you look at the other side of that might
help build better rugby plays. And I like the way
Gary said, Look, we're not the commentators aren't going to
pack on them. I'm going to do endless reruns of
guys who drop the ball and so on and so forth,
and we're not in that stage. We don't want to
do that, and all they should, but possibly the lessons
(18:58):
behind being on live television could indeed work a treat
for these athletes. Later on in the piece, it's pressure absolutely.
Is it going to make diamonds or is it going
to squash people flat? I love your thoughts on this.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty lines of open
free phone number nation wide. Auckland don't want to bar
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off at the one A schools. The rest of the
country feel pretty keen to get back and involved live
First eleven rugby on the TV on Sky first fifteen.
What did I say, sorry, first eleven? Yeah, I'm still
in cricket Land. It's the middle of winter. Go figure
you know why, because I never got anywhere near the
first fifteen. I got near the first eleven, but it
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was Mardi Hoe High School and their first leven was
like fourth grade, what's something good? Hey? That was my everest.
Then climbs that Italian fell off the other side of
one hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open this
News Talks EB. It is seven twenty six and the
rugby the Islanders are b the Hurricanes after twenty minutes
(20:08):
and they are beating them fourteen to seven. Conversion just
went over nice because they're not wearing those silly Marvel tops.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Heavy. So the right call is your call on eight
hundred and eighty eighty Sports Talk. Call on your home
of sports news Talk, Zibby who bounces away eyes just
(20:39):
set one of them.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
Something inside that's happening up here, opportunity rather batak, just
just jonahlone the Holandess will score out and nothing outstanding
dry from the backfield and it's jonah looe is in
for a second. But it was Tala down this right
hand side, and I think it was Duckle secret he
sat on his backside down here, as we'll have a
look in the replay. But Jonahlo's ghost in out of
(21:03):
nowhere talking.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I just looked up and saw the end of that
and I saw someone lying on their backside looking like
a fish out of water? Was that really? Dupes must
have been completely off balanced. They got planted right in
the chest and gon Burger fourteen seven, twenty three minutes
(21:28):
the heighthender is beating the Hurricanes who have been punished
for wearing those marble shirts? Or was one of our
Texas pointed out those nutty marble shirts book honest mistake? Absolutely?
It will be text line nineteen ninety that z b
Z b Auckland schools wanted to get money from Sky
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that's why we're not there. They prove it. I don't
think you can. But maybe that's a theory you've got
around why they didn't come to the party. I'd find
that a little strange, but hey, it's what you think.
Throw that out there. The boys in a Potiki would
stay at college TI there were nineteen to be in
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the first fifteen motivated by being on telly? Were they?
But that's all changing, isn't it? As far as how
long you can be in school for? What are they? What?
Year five hundred? And they say, nah, it's that's the rollers.
I think that came up and caused a bit of
a ruckus. Take yourselves back to twenty twenty two, so
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the school Principles in one A. In between fighting with
themselves and stealing and hijacking each other's players, they banned
live broadcasts. They were worried about the well being of
the students. They worried about the scrutiny. They were worried
(22:54):
that the kids who were as young as well fourteen fifteen,
possibly weren't equipped to handle that pressure. They express concern
that the games were being treated as an extension of
the professional game, maybe putting undue pressure on the young athletes,
(23:14):
that there was a lot there they didn't like, and
we're not doing this anymore. I'll just run through it.
For your student well being Principles worried about the potential
for students who experience anxiety, stressed, negative impacts, and there
overall well being due to the attention scrutiny associated with
televised games unhealthy scrutiny. They believed that televised games could
expose students to an excessive amount of attention and potential
(23:38):
negativity from both traditional and social media professionalism. Some felt
that live broadcasts were contributed to the professionalization of schoolboy rugby,
putting pressure on young players to perform at a higher
level than might be appropriate for their age. Lack of control.
Principles expressed concern about the lack of control they had
(23:59):
over how students' performances were portrayed and interpreted by media
outlets bloody media. I added that but poaching possibly there
is potential for that. They believe that media coverage could
be used by the schools to recruit players for Auckland schools.
Well you're Aukland, one aid and start your poaching regardless.
Did it find that one a little hard to stomach?
(24:25):
They may have had a point. You're a young player,
you've been through the system. You missed out in the
last few years of playing on TV? Did that do
you damage harm? Could it have done a lot more
for your career having that exposure. I'd say that the
people that missed it the most to be the NRL scouts.
(24:48):
I'm serious. Remember there's no age or weight grades or
athing like that. That's going mate, you're good, You're gonna come
play with us bang. I mean maybe that's part of it,
but that's official. I don't read that anywhere, But that
could be so Gary Burchett about what they want to
(25:08):
achieve and about the relationship and how they're going to work.
It's going to cost Sky a pile of money. They're
going to try and do it in a manner that
they've got to be clever, They've got to be cunning.
Way they shoot it, they commentate it, they cut it,
they produce it.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
I e.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
They can do it back in the studio. There's some
cameras there. I'll feed it back through. They won't be
potato cameras like we see sometimes with decent cameras so
look good, have great commentators. So it will it cost
them to do it as much as companies will say,
it's for the good of the game and we want
to lift And I'm sure there is a part of
(25:46):
that coming out of Sky that because they are at
the moment, how long it's all last they've signed up yet, right,
But they're an integral part of rugby in this country,
Sky TV, so they want to foster great rugby, so
they will go into it that way. But they're not
a charity and they won't want to admit that part
(26:11):
of this is to make money. You're part of it
is altruistic, that's fantastic, but they have to make some
money out of this, right They can't just run a
little loss unless they're taking a page out of Injured
this book. Ah, sorry, it's Friday night. Would you watch this?
(26:32):
Did you watch this? I wonder how big the market
actually is. Were people out there? How many people tuned
them and said, I am watching that? How boutique?
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Their mums and the dads, the grandma's, the aunts, the uncles,
the principals, a couple of mates beyond that? Did many
people watch that? I know there there are a lot
of people out there in the world that still have
this what I see as an unhealthy obsession with where
they were s called than even in their fifties, they're
still banging on about a place they had pimples, yellow legs,
(27:14):
all the horrid stuff about being at high school, and
they seem to think that was some kind of major
mover in their life. I'll give you the tip that wasn't.
You went there to learn stuff, then you got out
as quick as you could got into the real world. Okay,
what do you go to school for is learn how
to deal with humans? Said the guy without any degree
or university qualification. But bar I think it's an't. But
(27:37):
that's just me. Maybe they watch it. Did you were
you interested? Would you watch NPC over this? I'm undecided.
It's good that they're putting it up there, and they're
putting up there for people to watch. I'm sure there'll
be a thrill out of it. Not my bag, but
(28:02):
that's okay. Maybe the next great player you'll see. So
I remember blah blah blah when he was playing. You know,
we'say college. We saw him on TV. Great and good.
Just because I'm not a huge fan, so let me
say they couldn't do it. I just won't watch it
and watch something else e PC for example, just me
(28:22):
coming up shortly in the program at Dean Barker joined
ZUS for My Teens on America's Cup Skipper as we
look at the America's Cup which is now Italy's Cup. Yep,
She's off to Naples seven at thirty seven Sports to
go on news talks. There bees twenty eight minutes gone.
Holand is still doing the Hurricanes fourteen to seven. What's
(28:44):
a Mars place till the sun there is a way
can be like a magnet on me. I don't care.
Seventy one makes you didn't notice? I've seen it now
because I'm elderly in the TV is miles away. The
Hotlans are rocking and yellow at the moment they got
(29:05):
about two minutes ago before they get their man back,
So seven point lead, there are one man down, team
to go on that second half. Right, let's talk about
of sailing now. Very much been the flavor this week,
hasn't it A news talks beat America's Cup? It is
off to Naples, that's where the defense will be, or
that we've got a win and again will be I'm
not quite sure what we're saying on that one. We're
(29:26):
talking to America's Cup form a skip of Team New Zealand.
Dean Barker, Good evening, Dean, good, how are you? I'm well?
I got to ask first up simple question. Now, we
know where the America's Cup is going to be sailed,
don't know when, but we know where. What do you
know about Naples?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Dean, Well, we've sailed there a couple of times in
the two thousand and thirteen Cup. We did a couple
of Prairie getters there in the and that was yeah,
it was good. Financially we had some you know, some
good sailing and things. So clearly I'm sure everyone would
(30:03):
rather be racing in Auckland, but it's I think having
an event in Italy is is probably going to be
the next best thing with obviously the passion with the
Lunarossa and their sort of their supporters, So yeah, I
guess it'll be a good alternative.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
What are the conditions like? Is this particularly suitable to
any team or any style of sailing? I mean, how
will these monsters deal with it out there? When when
you first heard the news, I mean, okay, this is
what I know. What's your takeaway from what you've experienced
and what you know of the Cup at the moment.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
The two times we went there, we had quite a
variety of conditions, so I've never really looked at a
weather study or anything of the venue, so I wouldn't
really know what the expected conditions are at you know,
the time of year they're talking for the America's Cup.
But it's I would assume, you know, like a lot
of these sort of venues, it's probably I would imagine
(31:03):
it's probably more likely to be lighter ones. But I
really don't know. I haven't sort of seen any information
or what you know, what would be sort of normal
at that time of the year. But a lot of
these sort of venues you tend to be sort of
more on the light medium side of things. But you know,
we've we've raised there with strong ones, big waves, and
equally in some pretty light and light and drifty conditions
(31:27):
as well. So yeah, I think you could be in
for a bit of a mixture. But it'll be interesting
to see what all the experts come up with.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Well, the ocean does what the ocean does. You can't
predict it, can You've got to be ready for everything.
And I suppose that's the beautiful of the beauty of
the of the briny deep. Don't listen to nobody.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Yeah, I think the announcement of the venue is certainly
for the teams that are looking to participate, well, you know,
the first thing I'm sure they'll be doing is putting
together their own weather weather studies to try and understand
what they're imp just so the design group probably has
some sort of parameters. But it's yeah, yeah, any of
these venues sort of throw up there and challenges, you know,
(32:07):
whether it's logistics basis, you know, however, how that's going
to work and things.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
But it's.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
But I think just having a bit of certainty is
good after such a long period of I guess, no information.
So yeah, I'm sure everyone will be you know that's
involved will be welcoming that. And then I'm sure you know,
with the protocol once that comes out.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Dean, will this encourage more teams to enter? Like, you
don't know how long a piece of string is and
how much money it's going to cost them, But the
fact that it's smack bang in the middle of Europe
and in Italy, is this a good sign for more
entries for the Cup?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Well, it's hard to know that. The thing with that is,
you know, if the Cup's in twenty seven, you've got
two years really from now, which is not a lot
of time. You know, it takes twelve months to basically
build a boat once you've got a design. So I
think any new team that's looking to enter, it's sort
of already probably too late, you know in some ways,
(33:09):
you know, without buying design packages and things. So yeah,
I think for a new team to come in, it's
pretty pretty challenging. That's it's not impossible. The French came
in obviously late, you know, with the assistance of Team
Zellen but it's.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, I don't really.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
It's hard to say, you know, with with both you know,
the alingy AND's sort of announcing that they're not likely
to continue, and the any Ol Sky Jim Redcliffe pulling
out you know it certain it's not really great signs,
but yeah, let's see what comes out of the woodwork.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
It's like predicting weather patterns and conditions. You simply don't know.
We go back to it, how long is a piece
of string? You means in the protocol and everybody's hanging
on the end of this what it may look at,
as far as eligibility, as far as what they're going
to be sailing that. The list goes on, and this
is one of the great dramas of the America's Cup,
(34:11):
when the challenger and defender get together and go, right,
what are we going to do? What's your expectation around
that protocol? To the best of your knowledge? Do they
change much? Do they have to do they need to
simplify it, make it more complicated? What do you think
they'll do?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Den Well, it's sort of anyone's guess that I'm completely
removed from it all, so I don't have any real
understanding the but.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
As an interested bystander from what you've seen previously in
the events in the way, because it carries on expanding
and getting bigger and changing all the time. I mean,
it's constantly moving. So from a fans point of view,
where would you like to see it go?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
I think opening up the nationality for the teams is certainly.
I think it's high on the agenda for pretty much
all of the teams to allow. The numbers of sailors
on the boats now are so few that I think
the sailor should have the ability to be able to
work for whichever team they chose, and so I think
opening up the nationality is a complete no brainer. I
(35:13):
believe there's a you know, there is been talk about
along that of those lines, and again that sort of
helps any new team that wants to come into when
they know their country may not actually have the experience
to silo boats. So I think they're definitely need to
do that what they they do in sort of a
(35:34):
lot of the other decisions, you know, in terms of
the class rule and limitations on equipment and everything else.
You know, I know, there's always the focus on reducing
the cost. These campaigns are sort of getting more and
more expensive every time, so I'm sure there's obviously moves
there to try and contain the cost. But yeah, it's
(35:55):
it'll be really interesting to see, you know what changes.
I think, you know, again, I think a lot of
the teams would be hoping and expecting for more prevance
in the AC forty's and again, that's sort of a
great opportunity for certainly for any of the newer teams
or less experienced teams to be able to try and
get up to speed. Has been able to do some
(36:15):
racing because you know, there's just such limited options to
be able to sell. You know, in the last protocol,
you know, you went allowed to train with any other team,
so that's you know, it's kind of makes it very
hard to improve just practicing against yourself the whole time.
So it's yeah, we'll see see what they they came out.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
With as far as the actual action and what we
saw last time around with the boats they used, is
it actually necessary to change much? Did you enjoy what
you saw out there? I mean, we've sat around those
massive sleeps for so long and then suddenly there's big
boat challenges and catamarans. Now there's failing monoholes, it's crazy
(37:01):
there maybe needs to come the farmale. But because they
know what they're up to now, and would that help
any new teams even though they've got maybe very little
time to prepare, would that maybe be a drive. I'm
not telling you to climb into Grant Dalton's head because
you probably can't. But from your perspective, is it best
maybe to stick similar to what they've got?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
I think yeah, for a lot of teams, I think
consistency between between editions of the cup is really important
because you you've got the assets and things that are
sitting there from the previous one as an existing team,
a new team will it means that you've probably got
the ability to buy a previous generation boat maybe to
(37:45):
be able to give yourself a start. So really it's
the thing which is crippling is every time you end
up with a significant change to the rule or a
new class altogether, is that you're sort of everyone's starting
from scratch, and so then it's just a it's a
little bit sort of you know, flip a coin really
(38:06):
is what you know what the outcome may be. So yeah,
I think by sticking with the AC seventy five, and
I'm sure that that will be the case. You know,
maybe it'll look slightly different, or might be different numbers
of crew or more battery assistance or less automation. You know,
you just don't know what the what the between Ben
(38:28):
and his team whatever they call themselves now and Team
New Zealand, what they have agreed between the two of
them is what their sort of vision of the boats
should look like. And again that's sort of you know,
the challenges typically don't have any involvement, or the potential
challenges don't have any involvement, and a lot of that
(38:49):
they can voice their opinion, but it really comes down
to the challenger, record and defender to decide what it'll be.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
And finally, Dean bark And, I know you want to
comment on particular personalities, fair enough as well. But the
transition of Team New Zealand. Now they've lost the very
successful skipper and Pete Berling got new people in place.
How difficult is it to manage the transition of key
(39:16):
team members in a situation like this. They've got two years,
so that works well? Is this a potential for short call?
Is a good thing for the team.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
I haven't worked with Pete and the team. But I
think it will be a huge loss for team years
on that he's gone, and depending on where he's gone
or where he turns up, you know. But it's yeah,
there's obviously a lot of strong team members that have
stayed there, and so you know, they'll still be incredibly strong.
(39:50):
There's no question you've got a very strong design group,
good systems and everything else, and so the new personnel
i'm sure will adapt, you know, the culture that exists
in the place, I'm sure will allow them to be successful. Anyway,
who who knows that every time there's a change and
(40:11):
and everything else, there's maybe that gives some of the
other teams a little bit more of a feeling that
there's maybe some vulnerability there so they can drives them
to push that bit harder. Who knows, But for sure,
teams Allens still going to be a very difficult prospect
(40:32):
for any other teams to overcome. But you just really
don't know, you know what the you know what what's
going to turn up And because we know now in Naples.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
It's all up in the air. And I can attach
one of my favorite sayings to this, Dean the magic
is in the unknown. That's the joy of it all.
I mean, thank you very much for your time Dean
Barker here on News Talks. Here B you have a
great weekend.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
You cheers, you two.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Thanks for talk seven fifty three Dean Barker. There are
talking about way to now for the America's Cup. There
are so many variables in this, well there actually be one.
How many teams will be there? Like one? Can you
sail against yourself and at least your win. This is
(41:20):
News Talks, AB. You're on Sports Talk.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
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