May 21, 2025 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
NZ Herald rugby writer Gregor Paul on Kyren Taumoefolau heading to the Chiefs.
Talkback - Does Moana Pasifika deserve better than to be a feeder team for the NZ sides?
Crusaders centre Braydon Ennor on their match against the Highlanders on Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldergrave
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hey, hey, hey, hey, welcome in a sports talk this
News Talk CBS seven and a half seven of is
It's Wednesday, twenty first of my twenty twenty five of
Darcy Walter Grave. Thanks very much for joining us. Thank
you for lending me your ears and your gray matter
to boot. I got a rugby on tonight's program. Kind
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of makes me laugh because I talk about other sports
and people complain that, you know, rugby's a national game.
You don't talk about enough rugby as soon as I do.
You like a rugby, shows like a rugby and one
tonight I'm doing rugby chaff. We've got Braiden en Or.
At the end of the program, what a wretched couple
of years Braiden Anil had Wow, broken to birds, couldn't
(01:18):
buy a trick, lost out in the World Cup, and
finally he's managed to crawl back again and he's playing fantastic.
He joins us on the show to night to talk
about that time away from the game. The list goes on,
We're gonna kick things off of Gregor Paul and broke
that story last night around Karen to Mopil, the fact
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that he is going to the Chiefs walking away from
Moana Pussifica, yet another player that has decided they really
like to be an all black and their best route
there is to go somewhere else. So they did. I
was saying it's a bad thing, not saying it's a
good thing. To me, it's a huge point of interest.
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What do Muana Pussifiker stand for? Why are they there?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
What is there?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Always a good old word from the eighties. What are
the key performance indicators? What involvement does neew Zealand Rugby
have within Mowana Pacifica. What control do they have? Do
they want more? Should they be more responsible for what happens?
Should Mowana Pussifica in essence become the sixth New Zealand
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super side or will that quash everything they stand for.
I'm going to run this past Gregor Paul coming up next,
very wise man. Everything you need to know about rugby
he knows, So why not bring up my sage and
talk to him about my questions? And I'm going to
he's coming out next. Before we go anywhere near that though,
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Let's do what we've habitually done for years. Yeah, that's right.
Sports Today Wires coach Andrew Webster was sober casual the
naming of Kurt Capele as the skipper with both shaharas
and a bunnet unavailable like super casual.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Ringing hisselfter and wok him up on the lounge.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
He was snoozing, and I said, I would have liked
to do this in person, but it's about to get
him out.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, maybe we want you to be captain this week.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You've done a great job of your leadership this year.
Well on none of that links up. Well, he wanted
to do it in person, but he rang him up
and he was asleep. Why don't you just go over
there and knock on the door or did he and
he didn't answer? It was he standing outside? Did he
ring him?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Then?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Our confusion? It runs right enough, you said in an
Olympic swimmer Eric Fairweather is settling into a new home
and not carrying too much expectation as she heads into
the Nationals. She left at the body dinned and to
train and live in Toommaky Mecodo Auckland. She seems very
happy the years.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
I want to call it almost an adjustment yeah, kind
of getting used to everything new that's going on. I
don't think it's going to pick my performances at all.
I'll still be performing at the top, but just allowing
myself that room.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Crusader's at stalwart and owner of the biggest flat screen
television in the team. It's the halfback Mitch and Drummond
has been elevated to start. On the occasion, I was
one hundred and fiftieth supermanch Wow coach Robert Penny is
full of respect for the way Mitch has dealt with
the rise and rise of Preston and hooked him at
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his expense.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
The other two boys are playing really well, but it
hasn't stopped him being that same person. But he's also
giving and educating and supporting those boys that are now
in front of him, and it's a very humbling experience.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And to basketball, Oklahoma City has played beat down on
the Minnesota Timberwolves in Game one of the NBA Western
Conference Finals. They decord and taxidermied. It's probably not even
a word are the walls to the tune of seventy
to forty in the second half.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
To win one.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Fourteen eighty eight. ESPN was there Minnesota, and I was
it's only one game.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You'll see how they bounced for Tonight the Oklahoma City
Thunder their first.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Conference finals game since twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Wins handily.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And that's sport today, right. Karen was leaving, he's off
to the Chiefs. Where does that put Mowana PACIFICA. Well,
we're gonna find out now as we're joined by Gregoril
Paul Rugby, writer for the New Zealand Herald.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Good Evening, Gregor Good Evening, Dark Street.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Karen tom fell Out is off and he's off to
the Chiefs. I was convinced he's going to go to
the Crusaders because of his Tasman connection in the fact
he's born on Nelson, wasn't he? But it looks like
he's going to the Chiefs. He broke the story last night.
I'm presuming your oil is good and this is going
to happen.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
Yeah, Well, we'll find out if I'm right or not
in due course. I'm pretty certain that I am.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah. Like, I think this is.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
A move that a young man is wanting to make
for a number of reasons, one of which, to your point,
he's from Tasman. He grew up in New Zealand. His
desire as a kid was to play for the All Blacks.
He somewhat surprisingly was given an opportunity to play for
Tonga at the twenty.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Three World Cup, which he took.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Because under current eligibility laws there's a three year standown
period and that would not Therefore, by playing for Tongue
at the World Cup that did not kill his.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
All Black dream.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
It meant, in all honesty, he could he could potentially
enhance his prospects of playing for the All Blacks at
the twenty seven World Cup by standing down for three
years from international rugby. I think he's at that point now.
He's very young, he's still only twenty two. He's got
an opportunity to move south to the Chiefs. I think
they're looking to replace Sean Stevenson who's off to Japan,
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and he wants to have a crack at scene if
he can be an All block understandably, And when he
got asked to play for tonguea in a World Cup,
what was he then?
Speaker 8 (07:02):
How old?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Like nineteen?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I mean, yeah, just turned twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You're going to say I want to play the World Cup.
This might be the only opportunity I've got I'm going
with it, so you understand why he made that decision.
And if he looked back and went, well, I knew
I had three years, so why not.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Well, I mean that's the thing that there's a the
eligibility change when when they were changed whenever, that was
a handfull of years ago, to allow players to once
again play for two nations. The intent I suppose of
the law as it was envisaged was well, we were
thinking more about guys who've played for the Old Lecks
or played for the waller Bees, the Samon and the
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Tongue and no Fiji ineligible and therefore you know they
can they can play a handfully years for the old
Legs and then stand down and be available.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
For sam Or.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
We had guys like Charles Pie too, Stephen Lutur who
fit that criteria at the twenty.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Three World Cup.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
Strengthened the Island teams and that was the idea, get
the best players at the World Cup. Now it does
work in reverse as well, because it means that guys
can commit to playing for the Islands and it does
not kill their old Blacks dream. No, you know, he
wouldn't have played for Tonga at the World cutlets suspect
if the eligibility rules were no longer what they currently are,
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if he wasn't allowed to come back and play for
the All Blacks, he wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Have done it.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
So Tonga farm or get the best of that as well.
They may not think it, they may not agree with
that necessarily, but it is true that they get these guys,
even if it's only for a short time.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
What's very interesting I'm sort of a lot of people
leaning to me around this is the involvement in this
situation by insed by Super Rugby.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
What are the.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Parameters around how they work. Initially, Moana Pacifica was used
as a side to draw and encourage Pacific players to
play at that level. It's not become a ground where
injured I can just pluck the best players. But we're
seeing quite a few now make their market Mowana and
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then move to a Super Rugby side. That's kosher, that's
within the laws. But is it is it necessarily right? Ah?
Speaker 7 (09:10):
Yeah, Look, tricky one. It wasn't the intent necessarily of
Mowana When it was set up. The intent of Mowana
was to provide a pathway for players to come into
Super rugby with with the bent that they would be
salmone or tongue in eligible.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
And the idea was that they were, you know, they.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
Were being prepared to go and play for Samoa or
Tonga in the international game strength in that pathway.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
But the reality is that.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
Many, many players in New Zealand are duel eligible for
New Zealand and an island nation, or even for a
New Zealand Australia and an island nation. Look, it's a
pretty transient place, so it's inevitable that Mowana would end
up picking players in their team who would have who
would not yet have their eligibility captured. They would be
on a pathway, or they would imagine they were on
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a pathway to play for Samoa or Tonga. They get
an opportunity to play at Super rugby level, they turn
out to be a lot better than people or you know,
they take that opportunity, they play really well. They're also
in New Zealand eligible and all of a sudden, the
All Blacks are interested and the opportunity to move out
of Moana and go and play you know for the
All Blacks, the Chiefs, the Crusaders Onhiglands, whatever happens.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Now, that's entirely kosher.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
The problem that we have is that the financial imbalance
of playing for the All Blacks against you know, playing
for Samoa or Tonga and all of that means it's
massively rigged in favor of guys wondering if they're dual eligible,
even if they're playing for Mowana, they're always going to
be seriously tempted if the opportunity arises to move out
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of Moana, play for the Chiefs and put their store
out to try and play for the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Is this the same between Moana and the other super franchises?
Here the potential for earnings is greater at the other franchises.
How does that work?
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Well, yeah, there's another problem there that there's two problems. Obviously,
if you end up playing for the Old Blecks, there's
a serious pot of gold at the end of that
for you. Everyone understands that that you know, the match
phese that you paid or the weekly assembly phees that
you paid, the New Zealand retainer contract that you take
becomes much bigger, So the money.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Is significantly higher.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Now, even if you don't make the Old Backs, the
money available to you is also slightly higher not playing
for Molana on most occasions because the five Foundation clubs
fall under the auspices of the Collectives Employment Agreement, which
has a number of loyalty payments built into it. So
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even even now, a player who has a provincial and
a Super Rugby contract, they get paid an additional five
thousand dollars a year just simply for being here, and
that is graduated up so by the time they've been
here here for three years, I think they get twelve
and a half thousand on that I can't remember the
number up to the fact, if you stay here for
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five years you get thirty five thousand dollars a year
as a loyalty payment for staying here. And it's a
way to entice that sort of mid tier, you know,
the guys who are just below the all Black levels
to value the experience that they bring. Now that can
be that's just that's quite a significant kicker when you
add all when you add that up over the course
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of the years. Now that's not available to Moana because
they don't fall under the Collective Agreement because they're not
paid for by New Zealand Rugby. They sit outside of
that agreement. So these perks and benefits are not on
the table for the Mojana players at the moment.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Manifestly unfair or just it is what it is. Does
this need to be changed? Do Mowana I'm standing here,
need to be accepted into the New Zealand Super Rugby
Pacific franchise or family because an escence they're there, but
they're not.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
Yes, at the moment, they're caught in a Norman's land
to some extent. You're right, and I think this is
you know, they were set up hurriedly, I guess, you know,
through the change of circumstance and Super Rugby through COVID,
and you know, everything had to change when the South
Africans weren't part of it anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
It happened quickly.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
The intent of Moana was great, but we're moving into
a world now where we need to ask, should they
really just become a six New Zealand franchise and fall
under the same umbrella as the five other teams that
have the access to the same opportunities, the same resources,
the same funding, all of that, or what what is
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the alternative to give them greater prospect? You know, and
it won't just be the five New Zealand franchises. By
the way, he'll start picking the players off. It'll be
French clubs, it'll be Japanese clubs, it'll be everyone and anyone.
Because what we don't want is for that team to
become really just a feeder that showcases the best pacificer
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talent for the richer clubs and countries to pick them
off and pull them away.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
So how do you level that playing field?
Speaker 7 (14:18):
Well, that's a question I think is being asked inside
New Zealand rugby right now. What the current setup is
a hybrid and it doesn't really work. So what can
be done to give Mowana, you know, more financial resource
and more ability to hold on to players for longer pros.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
And cons Gregger, They've got to be both of these situations.
That works well from minor in some states, not so
on the O the same within z are What would
be the drivers each way? Do you think to stop
this happening or to encourage it to actually get running?
Speaker 7 (14:54):
Well, I think the ways to stop, But you're going
to start asking the question what's the purpose and identity
of Moana?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Right now?
Speaker 7 (15:00):
I'm looking at them going they are bringing huge value
to the competition, you know, the really the playing of
and a rugby that.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Everyone enjoys watching.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
They're contender for the playoffs there, you know, they're driving
standards around them to higher level, engaging the community and
these are everything that we wanted them to do and
they are doing it. And New Zealand Rugby need to
ask the question what's that worth to us and to
the competition and to more broadly to New Zealand rugby.
If we can provide opportunity for young pacificer talent to
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play in that team, it's culturally right for them, it
gets the best out of them, and the majority of
those players will be on a pathway to play for
Samoa and Tonga. However, some of them will end up
playing for the Old Blacks inevitably. So there's all of
these questions need to be asked because there's value in
Molana and being in this competition, and there's value to
New Zealand Rugby.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Being in this competition.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
Therefore, that's that's the pro and thinking how you keep
them against the con as you say, well, and I
don't support this argument, but this would be the one
that people would put forward and say, well, why would
New Zealand pay for a sixth team that's competing with
the other five and is also designed to find players
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for Samoa and Tonga and not for the Alblecks.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
So why would they fund that? Now?
Speaker 7 (16:19):
I think that's too restrictive, and I think that doesn't
see the big picture of what Molana bring and what
the importance of having the whole region playing at the
highest level can do for everyone.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Why would Molana resist? Is it a fear of losing
ultimate power if suddenly the king maker is en z
Are Would that be an issue? What the reason why
I'd go, we don't want to have anything to do
with us. We're happy where we are.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I don't think they would resist.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
I think what Miliana want is the ability to play
in this competition, get access to the best Pacifica talent,
and retain the best Pacificer talent by having similar ability
to remunerate players in the same way.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
So I think that's the outcome.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Would they have any trouble, you know, being under the
ends that at are collective, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I think they'd probably quite like that.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
It would take a lot of their stress away because
they're continually having to find ways to fund themselves. You know,
the gap between their sources of income don't meet their
outgoings at the moment, so that's clearly a pressure point
for them. So no, I think they would probably quite
gladly become New Zealand's six franchise.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Gregor Paul there joining us twenty four minutes after seven
on a Wednesday evenings fascinates me. The structure of super
rugby teams where Mowana Pacifica sit within that structure? Do
they need to be dragged further in, as Gregor pointed out,
to a degree for their own good because it provides
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a bit more of a protective umbrella. Although if they
keep playing like this they're going to roll sponsors all
the time, they'll be fine. But does it mean it's
more of the same if injured are suddenly start treating
Milwana like one of their franchises. Question for yourselves, Oh,
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one hundred and eighty ten eighty three for nomber nationwide,
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z b z B. Are you happy with the fact
that the better players out of Milwana Pasifika when confronted
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with the opportunity to move somewhere where the money is better,
it will leave. Does that detract from Mowana Because in essence,
even though Mowana is fantastic at love Artie savea for
what he's done, what he's done for the side of the
way he's lifted them. Every player on that team is
playing better now because of him. I can't argue around that.
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But you just get this. They'll get what they can
and then they'll get out of here. Does it detract
from them as a team? That take away from what
they're there to do? You're a stepping stone? Is that
what Mowana Pussyfiker is all about? Eight Maana fans, you're
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into it? Just let me know. They're everywhere like Moana fans,
thick on the ground, love to hear from you about
what you think they're supposed to do. Where they sit?
Do they need to be under the wings of Endzta?
Should it stay the same? And how do you feel
about their best talent not being necessarily plucked but naturally
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coerced to go to super teams because the money's better eventually,
and when you get through all blacks, it's even better.
Does that defeat the purpose of Moana Pussyfica? When the
tops being creamed to a degree.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
It does.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
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to you. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open.
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Speaker 3 (20:55):
Hello, Nate, Hey Darcy, how are you?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I'm very good. What have you got on this?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (21:03):
Mate? Hey, I'm going to see a porn starm on
here and I'm about the mid twenties at the moment.
I have to tell you this, man, every Moana pacifica
player in that team want to play for the All blacks. Yes,
some will come tom to come, but that's the ultimate dream.
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No matter you're born in Somemore, you could be born
in Australia or even France. Mate, if you have a
bit of a connection to New Zealand you want to
play for that all black team.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Why why specifically, Nate in your eyes? Is that does
that occur? Why do these players want to wear that
black jersey?
Speaker 10 (21:43):
Everything about it, the history of the jersey. We're proud
to be Kiwik's man. I'm a proud Kiwik. I'm a
proud New Zealander. And when when people talk about New Zealand,
it's always the all blacks. That's every little boy's dream
when they booed up on Saturday morning, it's to one
day put on that black jersey. No matter your simon.
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You can be feed Jan, but if you have a
connecto this country, that is the jersey you want some more? Mate,
It could come when I'm when I'm never retirement, I
put on that jersey. But all black jersey is number one.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
There's a limit, mate, right, So only was it three
players out of Mowana can actually play for the All Blacks.
Because the whole idea is that Mawana is a vehicle
for Pacificer players to climb up the ranks, and they
use it like that. They don't stand that players will
still leave if they want to make more money, because
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it's not only the respect the manner of the jersey
is the cash that comes with it, right, that's all
part of it. But if it starts becoming open slava,
it just becomes another vehicle for New Zealand rugby as
opposed to a transport system to higher grades for Pacificer rugby.
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Isn't that more important or not?
Speaker 10 (23:02):
It is in a way. But if we don't get
the Islands souped up, what's the reason we're getting the
team and Super Rugby souped up? We have to go
back to the to the homeland and get that right,
that's where the work needs to be done. That's where
we should be producing players from from the homeland. But
here in New Zealand.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Like I like to look at Moan.
Speaker 10 (23:25):
Pacificer as a feeder club, a feeder club maybe to
to other Super Rugby teams or teams overseas, and I
don't mind that New Zealand Rugby are not involved in
the club and in that sense. But man, every player
and that team want the all black scursey. They're not
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dreaming about each and every one of them can play
for the island nation even now.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
One when the guys went through all Blacks, it wasn't
like this, but it is now that it's changed, and
after representing it that high level, it's a lot like
the Rugby League too, isn't it. They go back and
represent their homeland, the land of their forefathers, and it's
a kind it's a nice angle going back into that
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a feeder club, I think, But it's a huge point
of difference, isn't it. And there's something about Mona Pacific
And now you've got Ardissa v and now you've got
players that are really rising that will bring and lift more.
But it is a distinctly different brand of rugby and
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I think for pure excitement, it's important that they are
independent to a degree and they don't fall under the
seas of New Zealand rugby and become just another vanilla franchise.
Speaker 10 (24:45):
Would that make sense, Natal, Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely I
get that point of view. But man, I yeah, let
them be a feeder club, man, because let them a
lot of those players and Warner Pacifica are here because
they don't get any other opportunity.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So it's quite you're quite the way, it's that's right now.
This is the status quo. Is good with you?
Speaker 10 (25:10):
Definitely?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Nice?
Speaker 10 (25:12):
Definitely Well, I'll tell.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
You the feeder clubbers, it's Milana feeding off the lights
of the Blues. Sorry, couldn't help myself. Gooday, Joe, how are.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
You jrci Always a pleasure to speak with you. Hey,
just wanted to talk about Miana. I think that they
should stay independent of the ends at AREU. I believe
that they've they've finally got the I guess, the template
that they were looking for. It's taken them a few
years to get on board, but I think now and
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you mentioned it in your dialogue, that the sponsors will
come through, the players will come and I think it's
almost going to be similar to the NRL, where you're
going to get PACIFICA players now wanting to play for
their countries and almost not seeing an attraction as much
as what it was for I guess young Pacific men
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like I was in my time when it was all
about the all blacks. Now it's actually about it for
a franchise that represents the Pacific and then those bank right.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Joe, That's why he because he wanted to do that.
He wanted to represent and you want to lift people
into that. That the big problem here. The elephant in
the room.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Is the money.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And you got all Blacks level. You're going to make
a fortune.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
Why wouldn't you you know, Yeah, I think it's more
than money now. I think it's that there's a lot
more to do with the romance of the of the game,
but mostly from a Pacific Island perspective. You look at
North Harbor Stadium, where was the last time you've actually
seen it sold out?
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Never?
Speaker 8 (26:47):
And so what you've got now is that you've got
people from all walks of life, from all over Auckland
actually coming to what was a ghost town of a
stadium for for Auckland, and now that's become the headquarters,
that's the spiritual home from winder Bust Rica. And I
think what you're now going to find is the spots
is going to be players are now wanting to come
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and play. I know that Wine have lost one to
the Chiefs. That's always going to happen, But at the
same time, the reverse will happen as well, that you're
going to get players that are going to come to
Miana because they want to. And I think that that's
the biggest difference that we have. I don't think New
Zealand Rugby are going to get a look in here
because Miana has shown that it can stand independently financially.
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I think it'll be better in five years. But you
know what, the hard yards are being done and it's
going to be so good for the super Rugby moving forward.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I don't know if there'll be many rugby fans out
there whose second team isn't them at the moment with
what they bring. And I go back to the inherent
joy of the game of rugby, and that's what you
get out of watching that team. It's like, yeah, right,
this is not a job. This is fun and your
feed off that. And I really like Joe what Tna
(28:03):
humung I said this year maybe last year talking about
because I mean I've thrown this out there as well.
North Harbor is so far away, You're so far away
from your base. Who's going to travel all the way
up there? Blah blah, bah blah blah, And Tina said,
are where Pacific Islanders. We're travelers. We're great travelers. We've
traveled the entire Pacific. You think a bridge and a
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ten minute driver is going to put us off? I
was like, mate, on, I love that from Tana.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
How good? Eh?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Thanks, thank you, Joe, Thanks very much for your calls
new Stig ZB It is at seven thirty eight. Plenty
of texts, but I'll let them ride. Love your calls
next eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I find it
not impossible to understand, but difficult to understand when you
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look at professional rugby. I love what Joe said that
there's a turning that actually representing your homeland, representing your
forefathers and the like is hugely important. Money is important?
Because is it that important? Maybe I'm inherently greedy, but
I'm like, you know, money is really important. You can't
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feed your children with money, can you? Right? Am I
making this too simple? Am I losing the spirit of
what playing rugby means? I don't know, don't tell me.
Eighty ten eighty It is seven thirty nine, still to count.
The program about Braden and I out of the Crusade
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and supports talk on News Talk zeb Brandon and what
a joint journey. He's had over the last couple of
years of injury, but he's looking happy as a peg
in the proverbia on that he's back in the fold again.
We'll hear from him shortly before that, though your calls
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one hundred eighty ten eight free fine, or you can
taxt nine to two nine two ZBZB standard text judge
does apply.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Good Evening, Robert, good Evening, Darsie da Lover, but also
for Darcy Uh the first person who made the comment
that Mana Pacifica should be a feeder club, I personally
believe it would be the death now for Mauna Pacifica.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Darcy.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
You look at the people who involved with Buna Pacifica,
got Sir Brian Williams, Sir Michael Jones, a Lama Roma
among all people, those players synonymous. It's all back qugby Darcy.
Remember this, there is a cultural aspect to all of this,
because the Pacific Islands are based on community, and these
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players who are wearing the Miner Pacifica jersey are very
proud of the of the community. You look at the
when was the last time, as a house call said,
when was the last time we've ever seen uh North
Harbour Stadium sold out ever. Yes, but Darsy, there is
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that cultural community aspect that people need to understand. That
it is the pride that these Pacific Island players have.
Money is not everything, Darsy.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I asked about. Robert. I'm really glad you called because
even though I'm seventh generation New Zerms in New Zealand's
and I love it here and I grew up in
the South Island, it was a little pale down mean
for one of a better word. But the scenes of
community within pacifica Nations is something I've not lived in
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and I've never it, so it's hard for me to go, yeah,
I understand because I've never lived in it. I actually
don't know. But when I moved up from christ Church
and you can meet a lot of Pacific people and
started understanding the import of community and of the village,
raising the kid and all that fascinated about that. So
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that's the aspect that I don't understand because I've not
lived it, and plain that it's very powerful.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Robert, Yes, yeah, absolutely, Look, Darcy, remember the saying you
can take the Simone boy out of Saint Moois, but
you can never take the saone out of the boy,
Same with Tonga, same with Fiji, any Pacific Island Darcy,
when you get the opportunity to be exposed to the
community in the way that the Pacific Island people support themselves.
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For example, if I may say so, when there's a
funeral in one of the families in the village, everybody
pitches in, even though they're neighbors, even though they don't
know the person, the family personally, they all pitching why
because of that community spirit. And this is what I'm seeing,
Miss Wonderfu sick a team. Look at the pride that
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people like Sir Brian Williams, Sir Michael.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Jones saw a crowd Robert I was watching on the
TV and the passion that came out of the eyes
and the skin of the crowd was like, Wow, this
was really We're not an emotional bunch of us polang you.
We don't quite get it right, not like Pacifica. And then,
and I'll go back to one of my favorite signs
of a shortened version of demari the people, the people,
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the people, And I love that that's what drives the
big suade of your community.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
You look, you look at the singing. Excuse me does
Look at the singing that goes on, Look at the
the motivation that gives those players of course, just like
just like the abs, just like the Mary a Bs know.
I'm a pontib man through and through. Look at the
number of the Pacific Island boys that now play for Ponsonby.
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We initially initially started off way back in the nineteen sixties.
We we our pontib team. The Sun one team was
the first Simon team to win a rugby Auckland championship,
which was a fistle Cup.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
When was that in the seventies seventies?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Right crazy in the singing. I took my then much
smaller girl, she's fourteen now as taking a sport and
she drives sport. We're don't go watch the game of rugby,
like oh, rugby league. I said, no, No, the kiwis
are playing tounger. She goes, I don't care. I see
when you walk in there, you will I'll show you
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something you've never seen before in a crowd. And she
was gobsmack that the flags and the singing and the joy.
She's like, dad, this is something else. I said, I
told you so, I'm well aware of how that operates,
and I think it's a wonderful part of playing its pacificame.
But it's a great part of New Zealand, it really is.
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We benefit from it. Robert, I gonna go. I gotta
go and talk to braid and thank you for calling,
and thank you for your calls. It is at seven
forty seven. This is News Talk. B Braiden Enna joining
us next here on Sports Talk. Can hear you.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
When I'm dreaming?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
It's nine and a half minutes away from eight o'clock.
Marcus last year up next after the New Sport and
with a package, we're going to talk about super Rugby
now the returning. He's been bre for a couple of
weeks now, but man, he looks good. He looks happy
as well. His name is Braiden Ena, he joins us. Now, Hi, Braiden,
I'm very well what about yourself? You guys still pulsing
(36:03):
and bumping after what happened last week against the Warritor.
That was convincing. They say the score cut actually flattered
the warratas in the end because maybe took your foot
off the pedal a wee bit, but all around, a
lot to like about that.
Speaker 11 (36:16):
Yeah, it's good, good running rugby. Probably. I think we
did pretty well with the heavy, heavier track, but like
you said that for the last twenty minutes we could
clean up a bit more and really put them away.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
What aspect of that do you think is that I've
been identified by Rob Penny any particular area that is
more concerned about than the others.
Speaker 11 (36:35):
Oh, discipline. The back half of the game has always
been the last couple of weeks been trending has been
been pretty poor. So obviously cleaning that up, and we
felt pretty confident defending in their half. So just getting
the ball down there and making them, making them attack
out of their half, tough to score tries from their
long range, so making them work for it a bit more, just.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Taking some territory off of the boot and stick them
down in the corner and say good luck. Yeah, exactly.
The discipline areas is this fatigue based? What cause is that?
What triggers that for things to fall away in the last.
Speaker 11 (37:09):
Twenty odd Yeah, I think the main one we're getting
done for is not rolling away. So that's just the
detail and and our tackle tackler, second tackler coming in
to the double shoulder first off. You want to be dominant,
you're landing on top, get up and move through. But
when you sort of missed that hit, you end up
behind the ball and you're having to roll away. So
just that quick change of mindset if you haven't won
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the hit, then those quick urgent movements to get get
up and out of there for the nine gets there
and milks it.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
And yeah, you don't want in the opposition kind of
leaning all over you because they're not going to do
that anyway, are they because they'll get pains too, So
you kind of have to be quite instant, doesn't it. Which,
let's face it, Brady has helped the game extraordinarily. It's
got so much more rhythm and.
Speaker 11 (37:50):
Flow now, Yeah, exactly all and play as much higher
and hopefully it's a lot more exciting for those watching
at home.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I'm excited and loving what's going on in the back
line with the Crusaders. How comfortable are you in there, brain,
because maybe you've had a dog of a time over
the last couple of years, but you're back and you're playing.
It looks like you're there's care free as you've ever been.
Speaker 11 (38:08):
Yeah, I guess having a bit of time off the
park or I have in the last couple of years,
sort of gives you time to think and just sort
of almost help me find that love of the game again,
coming back in and just enjoying every moment while playing
with this team and poison insight and out of me.
So yeah, looking forward to it getting some more minutes
and apart as.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Far as falling back in love for the game again,
how much of that was self doubt that you get
back to the self that you know once you've gone
through that injury. Did that smear you were told it
was that a shadow on you.
Speaker 11 (38:35):
I'm not sure if it's self doubt. Obviously in the
early stages, especially after that knee twenty twenty three, just
for the World Cup, that was where I sort of
sat out of love of the gamer, but obviously pretty disappointing,
terrible time to have it. So you tend to take
a couple of months just to sort of wallow and
self pity, and then then you start to feel a
little bit more like yourself when you knee, start sitting down,
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you start to run again and start building that confidence back,
and I think coming back it is just gaining those
little positives every week you take a little positive out
of out of each training, whether it's you had a
top speed again, or you're you're feeling a bit better stepping,
or you're nailing a few more passes and reading the
game a bit better, and you just, yeah, you build
those consecutively throughout throughout your return to when you come
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back on the park, you feel rare and.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
You go when I said self, doubt more hoping that
your body will hold together and your knee and your
limbs have got the strength. It's kind of doubt in
your physicality and how way you of heal, because that
won't go away, surely, not for a while.
Speaker 11 (39:35):
I think I think I'm pretty good at just leaving
it behind. It's almost like a goldfish memory. You just
it is what it is. I'm back playing now, get
stuck in, try not to think about it too much,
and because if you start thinking like that, then you're
only going to be scared going in contact, scared going
a full sprint, and that's just no good for you.
So hope, I hope that's it looks like I'm coming
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back with a whole lot of confidence, and that's what
that's how I feel, so really looking forward to.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
It with time out of the game and then coming
back again, have you made any major adjustment around what
you do from an observational point of view? I've been
watching for so long. Is that lifted what you do
the ability to change with the times?
Speaker 11 (40:17):
I feel like with being out and watching a lot more,
it's actually helped my sort of vision of the game.
And then watching things unfold and pieds up players all
those sorts of things obviously comes with a bit more
experience as well, but compared to my younger years. But
center these days, with Russian defenses can leave but a
backfield space or disjointed attack defense line. So reading all
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those sorts of players, and defensively as well picking off players.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
And this Mitchell Drummond, he's been around for as long
as Noah one hundred and fifty this weekend, how good.
Speaker 11 (40:50):
Yeah, he's an absolute legend of the Red and Black.
You know, it seems like he's been here as long
as I've been alive. But we're actually pretty similar in age.
But yeah, I'm looking forward to getting them out there
and playing with them again. One hundred and fifties. There's
no easy task. Is only a few few men and
and Sugar Rugby that have ever hit that milestone, so
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really looking forward to it.
Speaker 9 (41:11):
The right call is your call on eighty Sports Talk.
Call on your home of sports News Talk.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Zibby Maraiden in there out of the Crusaders finally after
a couple of wretch of the years back and Red
and Black doing what he does at best, and spectacular
display from everybody last week up against New South Wales.
Would be surprised if the island has rolled them to
DA but they've got Scooter Barrett back and they've got
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a pretty handy hooker rolling around the place as well.
He's come back into the fold. So yeah, anyway, great
to talk to Braden and I've spoken I don't know
how many times to Mitchell Drummond way back from radio
sport days right.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Up through now.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
He is a top bloke and the way he's dealt
with Noah Hotham going past him, Preston going past him,
he's done it really well. Had a lot of time
for that guy. And apparently he's got a ninety five
inch wide flat screen TV. This is an urban myth
(42:17):
that we've both been perpetrating since two thousand and seven.
This is News Talk ZB Thank you ants
Speaker 1 (42:27):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hey, hey, hey, hey, welcome in a sports talk this
News Talk CBS seven and a half seven of is
It's Wednesday, twenty first of my twenty twenty five of
Darcy Walter Grave. Thanks very much for joining us. Thank
you for lending me your ears and your gray matter
to boot. I got a rugby on tonight's program. Kind
(00:56):
of makes me laugh because I talk about other sports
and people complain that, you know, rugby's a national game.
You don't talk about enough rugby as soon as I do.
You like a rugby, shows like a rugby and one
tonight I'm doing rugby chaff. We've got Braiden en Or.
At the end of the program, what a wretched couple
of years Braiden Anil had Wow, broken to birds, couldn't
(01:18):
buy a trick, lost out in the World Cup, and
finally he's managed to crawl back again and he's playing fantastic.
He joins us on the show to night to talk
about that time away from the game. The list goes on,
We're gonna kick things off of Gregor Paul and broke
that story last night around Karen to Mopil, the fact
(01:39):
that he is going to the Chiefs walking away from
Moana Pussifica, yet another player that has decided they really
like to be an all black and their best route
there is to go somewhere else. So they did. I
was saying it's a bad thing, not saying it's a
good thing. To me, it's a huge point of interest.
(01:59):
What do Muana Pussifiker stand for? Why are they there?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
What is there?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Always a good old word from the eighties. What are
the key performance indicators? What involvement does neew Zealand Rugby
have within Mowana Pacifica. What control do they have? Do
they want more? Should they be more responsible for what happens?
Should Mowana Pussifica in essence become the sixth New Zealand
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super side or will that quash everything they stand for.
I'm going to run this past Gregor Paul coming up next,
very wise man. Everything you need to know about rugby
he knows, So why not bring up my sage and
talk to him about my questions? And I'm going to
he's coming out next. Before we go anywhere near that though,
(02:51):
Let's do what we've habitually done for years. Yeah, that's right.
Sports Today Wires coach Andrew Webster was sober casual the
naming of Kurt Capele as the skipper with both shaharas
and a bunnet unavailable like super casual.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Ringing hisselfter and wok him up on the lounge.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
He was snoozing, and I said, I would have liked
to do this in person, but it's about to get
him out.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, maybe we want you to be captain this week.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You've done a great job of your leadership this year.
Well on none of that links up. Well, he wanted
to do it in person, but he rang him up
and he was asleep. Why don't you just go over
there and knock on the door or did he and
he didn't answer? It was he standing outside? Did he
ring him?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Then?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Our confusion? It runs right enough, you said in an
Olympic swimmer Eric Fairweather is settling into a new home
and not carrying too much expectation as she heads into
the Nationals. She left at the body dinned and to
train and live in Toommaky Mecodo Auckland. She seems very
happy the years.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
I want to call it almost an adjustment yeah, kind
of getting used to everything new that's going on. I
don't think it's going to pick my performances at all.
I'll still be performing at the top, but just allowing
myself that room.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Crusader's at stalwart and owner of the biggest flat screen
television in the team. It's the halfback Mitch and Drummond
has been elevated to start. On the occasion, I was
one hundred and fiftieth supermanch Wow coach Robert Penny is
full of respect for the way Mitch has dealt with
the rise and rise of Preston and hooked him at
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his expense.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
The other two boys are playing really well, but it
hasn't stopped him being that same person. But he's also
giving and educating and supporting those boys that are now
in front of him, and it's a very humbling experience.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And to basketball, Oklahoma City has played beat down on
the Minnesota Timberwolves in Game one of the NBA Western
Conference Finals. They decord and taxidermied. It's probably not even
a word are the walls to the tune of seventy
to forty in the second half.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
To win one.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Fourteen eighty eight. ESPN was there Minnesota, and I was
it's only one game.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You'll see how they bounced for Tonight the Oklahoma City
Thunder their first.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Conference finals game since twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Wins handily.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And that's sport today, right. Karen was leaving, he's off
to the Chiefs. Where does that put Mowana PACIFICA. Well,
we're gonna find out now as we're joined by Gregoril
Paul Rugby, writer for the New Zealand Herald.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Good Evening, Gregor Good Evening, Dark Street.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Karen tom fell Out is off and he's off to
the Chiefs. I was convinced he's going to go to
the Crusaders because of his Tasman connection in the fact
he's born on Nelson, wasn't he? But it looks like
he's going to the Chiefs. He broke the story last night.
I'm presuming your oil is good and this is going
to happen.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
Yeah, Well, we'll find out if I'm right or not
in due course. I'm pretty certain that I am.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah. Like, I think this is.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
A move that a young man is wanting to make
for a number of reasons, one of which, to your point,
he's from Tasman. He grew up in New Zealand. His
desire as a kid was to play for the All Blacks.
He somewhat surprisingly was given an opportunity to play for
Tonga at the twenty.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Three World Cup, which he took.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Because under current eligibility laws there's a three year standown
period and that would not Therefore, by playing for Tongue
at the World Cup that did not kill his.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
All Black dream.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
It meant, in all honesty, he could he could potentially
enhance his prospects of playing for the All Blacks at
the twenty seven World Cup by standing down for three
years from international rugby. I think he's at that point now.
He's very young, he's still only twenty two. He's got
an opportunity to move south to the Chiefs. I think
they're looking to replace Sean Stevenson who's off to Japan,
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and he wants to have a crack at scene if
he can be an All block understandably, And when he
got asked to play for tonguea in a World Cup,
what was he then?
Speaker 8 (07:02):
How old?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Like nineteen?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I mean, yeah, just turned twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You're going to say I want to play the World Cup.
This might be the only opportunity I've got I'm going
with it, so you understand why he made that decision.
And if he looked back and went, well, I knew
I had three years, so why not.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Well, I mean that's the thing that there's a the
eligibility change when when they were changed whenever, that was
a handfull of years ago, to allow players to once
again play for two nations. The intent I suppose of
the law as it was envisaged was well, we were
thinking more about guys who've played for the Old Lecks
or played for the waller Bees, the Samon and the
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Tongue and no Fiji ineligible and therefore you know they
can they can play a handfully years for the old
Legs and then stand down and be available.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
For sam Or.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
We had guys like Charles Pie too, Stephen Lutur who
fit that criteria at the twenty.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Three World Cup.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
Strengthened the Island teams and that was the idea, get
the best players at the World Cup. Now it does
work in reverse as well, because it means that guys
can commit to playing for the Islands and it does
not kill their old Blacks dream. No, you know, he
wouldn't have played for Tonga at the World cutlets suspect
if the eligibility rules were no longer what they currently are,
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if he wasn't allowed to come back and play for
the All Blacks, he wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Have done it.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
So Tonga farm or get the best of that as well.
They may not think it, they may not agree with
that necessarily, but it is true that they get these guys,
even if it's only for a short time.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
What's very interesting I'm sort of a lot of people
leaning to me around this is the involvement in this
situation by insed by Super Rugby.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
What are the.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Parameters around how they work. Initially, Moana Pacifica was used
as a side to draw and encourage Pacific players to
play at that level. It's not become a ground where
injured I can just pluck the best players. But we're
seeing quite a few now make their market Mowana and
(09:02):
then move to a Super Rugby side. That's kosher, that's
within the laws. But is it is it necessarily right? Ah?
Speaker 7 (09:10):
Yeah, Look, tricky one. It wasn't the intent necessarily of
Mowana When it was set up. The intent of Mowana
was to provide a pathway for players to come into
Super rugby with with the bent that they would be
salmone or tongue in eligible.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
And the idea was that they were, you know, they.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
Were being prepared to go and play for Samoa or
Tonga in the international game strength in that pathway.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
But the reality is that.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
Many, many players in New Zealand are duel eligible for
New Zealand and an island nation, or even for a
New Zealand Australia and an island nation. Look, it's a
pretty transient place, so it's inevitable that Mowana would end
up picking players in their team who would have who
would not yet have their eligibility captured. They would be
on a pathway, or they would imagine they were on
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a pathway to play for Samoa or Tonga. They get
an opportunity to play at Super rugby level, they turn
out to be a lot better than people or you know,
they take that opportunity, they play really well. They're also
in New Zealand eligible and all of a sudden, the
All Blacks are interested and the opportunity to move out
of Moana and go and play you know for the
All Blacks, the Chiefs, the Crusaders Onhiglands, whatever happens.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Now, that's entirely kosher.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
The problem that we have is that the financial imbalance
of playing for the All Blacks against you know, playing
for Samoa or Tonga and all of that means it's
massively rigged in favor of guys wondering if they're dual eligible,
even if they're playing for Mowana, they're always going to
be seriously tempted if the opportunity arises to move out
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of Moana, play for the Chiefs and put their store
out to try and play for the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Is this the same between Moana and the other super franchises?
Here the potential for earnings is greater at the other franchises.
How does that work?
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Well, yeah, there's another problem there that there's two problems. Obviously,
if you end up playing for the Old Blecks, there's
a serious pot of gold at the end of that
for you. Everyone understands that that you know, the match
phese that you paid or the weekly assembly phees that
you paid, the New Zealand retainer contract that you take
becomes much bigger, So the money.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Is significantly higher.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Now, even if you don't make the Old Backs, the
money available to you is also slightly higher not playing
for Molana on most occasions because the five Foundation clubs
fall under the auspices of the Collectives Employment Agreement, which
has a number of loyalty payments built into it. So
(11:51):
even even now, a player who has a provincial and
a Super Rugby contract, they get paid an additional five
thousand dollars a year just simply for being here, and
that is graduated up so by the time they've been
here here for three years, I think they get twelve
and a half thousand on that I can't remember the
number up to the fact, if you stay here for
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five years you get thirty five thousand dollars a year
as a loyalty payment for staying here. And it's a
way to entice that sort of mid tier, you know,
the guys who are just below the all Black levels
to value the experience that they bring. Now that can
be that's just that's quite a significant kicker when you
add all when you add that up over the course
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of the years. Now that's not available to Moana because
they don't fall under the Collective Agreement because they're not
paid for by New Zealand Rugby. They sit outside of
that agreement. So these perks and benefits are not on
the table for the Mojana players at the moment.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Manifestly unfair or just it is what it is. Does
this need to be changed? Do Mowana I'm standing here,
need to be accepted into the New Zealand Super Rugby
Pacific franchise or family because an escence they're there, but
they're not.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
Yes, at the moment, they're caught in a Norman's land
to some extent. You're right, and I think this is
you know, they were set up hurriedly, I guess, you know,
through the change of circumstance and Super Rugby through COVID,
and you know, everything had to change when the South
Africans weren't part of it anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
It happened quickly.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
The intent of Moana was great, but we're moving into
a world now where we need to ask, should they
really just become a six New Zealand franchise and fall
under the same umbrella as the five other teams that
have the access to the same opportunities, the same resources,
the same funding, all of that, or what what is
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the alternative to give them greater prospect? You know, and
it won't just be the five New Zealand franchises. By
the way, he'll start picking the players off. It'll be
French clubs, it'll be Japanese clubs, it'll be everyone and anyone.
Because what we don't want is for that team to
become really just a feeder that showcases the best pacificer
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talent for the richer clubs and countries to pick them
off and pull them away.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
So how do you level that playing field?
Speaker 7 (14:18):
Well, that's a question I think is being asked inside
New Zealand rugby right now. What the current setup is
a hybrid and it doesn't really work. So what can
be done to give Mowana, you know, more financial resource
and more ability to hold on to players for longer pros.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
And cons Gregger, They've got to be both of these situations.
That works well from minor in some states, not so
on the O the same within z are What would
be the drivers each way? Do you think to stop
this happening or to encourage it to actually get running?
Speaker 7 (14:54):
Well, I think the ways to stop, But you're going
to start asking the question what's the purpose and identity
of Moana?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Right now?
Speaker 7 (15:00):
I'm looking at them going they are bringing huge value
to the competition, you know, the really the playing of
and a rugby that.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Everyone enjoys watching.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
They're contender for the playoffs there, you know, they're driving
standards around them to higher level, engaging the community and
these are everything that we wanted them to do and
they are doing it. And New Zealand Rugby need to
ask the question what's that worth to us and to
the competition and to more broadly to New Zealand rugby.
If we can provide opportunity for young pacificer talent to
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play in that team, it's culturally right for them, it
gets the best out of them, and the majority of
those players will be on a pathway to play for
Samoa and Tonga. However, some of them will end up
playing for the Old Blacks inevitably. So there's all of
these questions need to be asked because there's value in
Molana and being in this competition, and there's value to
New Zealand Rugby.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Being in this competition.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
Therefore, that's that's the pro and thinking how you keep
them against the con as you say, well, and I
don't support this argument, but this would be the one
that people would put forward and say, well, why would
New Zealand pay for a sixth team that's competing with
the other five and is also designed to find players
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for Samoa and Tonga and not for the Alblecks.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
So why would they fund that? Now?
Speaker 7 (16:19):
I think that's too restrictive, and I think that doesn't
see the big picture of what Molana bring and what
the importance of having the whole region playing at the
highest level can do for everyone.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Why would Molana resist? Is it a fear of losing
ultimate power if suddenly the king maker is en z
Are Would that be an issue? What the reason why
I'd go, we don't want to have anything to do
with us. We're happy where we are.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I don't think they would resist.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
I think what Miliana want is the ability to play
in this competition, get access to the best Pacifica talent,
and retain the best Pacificer talent by having similar ability
to remunerate players in the same way.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
So I think that's the outcome.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Would they have any trouble, you know, being under the
ends that at are collective, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I think they'd probably quite like that.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
It would take a lot of their stress away because
they're continually having to find ways to fund themselves. You know,
the gap between their sources of income don't meet their
outgoings at the moment, so that's clearly a pressure point
for them. So no, I think they would probably quite
gladly become New Zealand's six franchise.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Gregor Paul there joining us twenty four minutes after seven
on a Wednesday evenings fascinates me. The structure of super
rugby teams where Mowana Pacifica sit within that structure? Do
they need to be dragged further in, as Gregor pointed out,
to a degree for their own good because it provides
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a bit more of a protective umbrella. Although if they
keep playing like this they're going to roll sponsors all
the time, they'll be fine. But does it mean it's
more of the same if injured are suddenly start treating
Milwana like one of their franchises. Question for yourselves, Oh,
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one hundred and eighty ten eighty three for nomber nationwide,
we can text it nine two nine two that is
z b z B. Are you happy with the fact
that the better players out of Milwana Pasifika when confronted
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with the opportunity to move somewhere where the money is better,
it will leave. Does that detract from Mowana Because in essence,
even though Mowana is fantastic at love Artie savea for
what he's done, what he's done for the side of the
way he's lifted them. Every player on that team is
playing better now because of him. I can't argue around that.
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But you just get this. They'll get what they can
and then they'll get out of here. Does it detract
from them as a team? That take away from what
they're there to do? You're a stepping stone? Is that
what Mowana Pussyfiker is all about? Eight Maana fans, you're
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into it? Just let me know. They're everywhere like Moana fans,
thick on the ground, love to hear from you about
what you think they're supposed to do. Where they sit?
Do they need to be under the wings of Endzta?
Should it stay the same? And how do you feel
about their best talent not being necessarily plucked but naturally
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coerced to go to super teams because the money's better eventually,
and when you get through all blacks, it's even better.
Does that defeat the purpose of Moana Pussyfica? When the
tops being creamed to a degree.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
It does.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I got more on this, but I'd love to talk
to you. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open.
You can text if you want. Got the twenty cents.
I think it will take nineteen nine two that Z
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Speaker 9 (20:17):
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Speaker 2 (20:36):
Past seven, so let's call it sports talk on News
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come first.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Hello, Nate, Hey Darcy, how are you?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I'm very good. What have you got on this?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (21:03):
Mate? Hey, I'm going to see a porn starm on
here and I'm about the mid twenties at the moment.
I have to tell you this, man, every Moana pacifica
player in that team want to play for the All blacks. Yes,
some will come tom to come, but that's the ultimate dream.
(21:24):
No matter you're born in Somemore, you could be born
in Australia or even France. Mate, if you have a
bit of a connection to New Zealand you want to
play for that all black team.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Why why specifically, Nate in your eyes? Is that does
that occur? Why do these players want to wear that
black jersey?
Speaker 10 (21:43):
Everything about it, the history of the jersey. We're proud
to be Kiwik's man. I'm a proud Kiwik. I'm a
proud New Zealander. And when when people talk about New Zealand,
it's always the all blacks. That's every little boy's dream
when they booed up on Saturday morning, it's to one
day put on that black jersey. No matter your simon.
(22:04):
You can be feed Jan, but if you have a
connecto this country, that is the jersey you want some more? Mate,
It could come when I'm when I'm never retirement, I
put on that jersey. But all black jersey is number one.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
There's a limit, mate, right, So only was it three
players out of Mowana can actually play for the All Blacks.
Because the whole idea is that Mawana is a vehicle
for Pacificer players to climb up the ranks, and they
use it like that. They don't stand that players will
still leave if they want to make more money, because
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it's not only the respect the manner of the jersey
is the cash that comes with it, right, that's all
part of it. But if it starts becoming open slava,
it just becomes another vehicle for New Zealand rugby as
opposed to a transport system to higher grades for Pacificer rugby.
(22:58):
Isn't that more important or not?
Speaker 10 (23:02):
It is in a way. But if we don't get
the Islands souped up, what's the reason we're getting the
team and Super Rugby souped up? We have to go
back to the to the homeland and get that right,
that's where the work needs to be done. That's where
we should be producing players from from the homeland. But
here in New Zealand.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Like I like to look at Moan.
Speaker 10 (23:25):
Pacificer as a feeder club, a feeder club maybe to
to other Super Rugby teams or teams overseas, and I
don't mind that New Zealand Rugby are not involved in
the club and in that sense. But man, every player
and that team want the all black scursey. They're not
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dreaming about each and every one of them can play
for the island nation even now.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
One when the guys went through all Blacks, it wasn't
like this, but it is now that it's changed, and
after representing it that high level, it's a lot like
the Rugby League too, isn't it. They go back and
represent their homeland, the land of their forefathers, and it's
a kind it's a nice angle going back into that
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a feeder club, I think, But it's a huge point
of difference, isn't it. And there's something about Mona Pacific
And now you've got Ardissa v and now you've got
players that are really rising that will bring and lift more.
But it is a distinctly different brand of rugby and
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I think for pure excitement, it's important that they are
independent to a degree and they don't fall under the
seas of New Zealand rugby and become just another vanilla franchise.
Speaker 10 (24:45):
Would that make sense, Natal, Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely I
get that point of view. But man, I yeah, let
them be a feeder club, man, because let them a
lot of those players and Warner Pacifica are here because
they don't get any other opportunity.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So it's quite you're quite the way, it's that's right now.
This is the status quo. Is good with you?
Speaker 10 (25:10):
Definitely?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Nice?
Speaker 10 (25:12):
Definitely Well, I'll tell.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
You the feeder clubbers, it's Milana feeding off the lights
of the Blues. Sorry, couldn't help myself. Gooday, Joe, how are.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
You jrci Always a pleasure to speak with you. Hey,
just wanted to talk about Miana. I think that they
should stay independent of the ends at AREU. I believe
that they've they've finally got the I guess, the template
that they were looking for. It's taken them a few
years to get on board, but I think now and
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you mentioned it in your dialogue, that the sponsors will
come through, the players will come and I think it's
almost going to be similar to the NRL, where you're
going to get PACIFICA players now wanting to play for
their countries and almost not seeing an attraction as much
as what it was for I guess young Pacific men
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like I was in my time when it was all
about the all blacks. Now it's actually about it for
a franchise that represents the Pacific and then those bank right.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Joe, That's why he because he wanted to do that.
He wanted to represent and you want to lift people
into that. That the big problem here. The elephant in
the room.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Is the money.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And you got all Blacks level. You're going to make
a fortune.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
Why wouldn't you you know, Yeah, I think it's more
than money now. I think it's that there's a lot
more to do with the romance of the of the game,
but mostly from a Pacific Island perspective. You look at
North Harbor Stadium, where was the last time you've actually
seen it sold out?
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Never?
Speaker 8 (26:47):
And so what you've got now is that you've got
people from all walks of life, from all over Auckland
actually coming to what was a ghost town of a
stadium for for Auckland, and now that's become the headquarters,
that's the spiritual home from winder Bust Rica. And I
think what you're now going to find is the spots
is going to be players are now wanting to come
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and play. I know that Wine have lost one to
the Chiefs. That's always going to happen, But at the
same time, the reverse will happen as well, that you're
going to get players that are going to come to
Miana because they want to. And I think that that's
the biggest difference that we have. I don't think New
Zealand Rugby are going to get a look in here
because Miana has shown that it can stand independently financially.
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I think it'll be better in five years. But you
know what, the hard yards are being done and it's
going to be so good for the super Rugby moving forward.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I don't know if there'll be many rugby fans out
there whose second team isn't them at the moment with
what they bring. And I go back to the inherent
joy of the game of rugby, and that's what you
get out of watching that team. It's like, yeah, right,
this is not a job. This is fun and your
feed off that. And I really like Joe what Tna
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humung I said this year maybe last year talking about
because I mean I've thrown this out there as well.
North Harbor is so far away, You're so far away
from your base. Who's going to travel all the way
up there? Blah blah, bah blah blah, And Tina said,
are where Pacific Islanders. We're travelers. We're great travelers. We've
traveled the entire Pacific. You think a bridge and a
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ten minute driver is going to put us off? I
was like, mate, on, I love that from Tana.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
How good? Eh?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Thanks, thank you, Joe, Thanks very much for your calls
new Stig ZB It is at seven thirty eight. Plenty
of texts, but I'll let them ride. Love your calls
next eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I find it
not impossible to understand, but difficult to understand when you
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look at professional rugby. I love what Joe said that
there's a turning that actually representing your homeland, representing your
forefathers and the like is hugely important. Money is important?
Because is it that important? Maybe I'm inherently greedy, but
I'm like, you know, money is really important. You can't
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feed your children with money, can you? Right? Am I
making this too simple? Am I losing the spirit of
what playing rugby means? I don't know, don't tell me.
Eighty ten eighty It is seven thirty nine, still to count.
The program about Braden and I out of the Crusade
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and supports talk on News Talk zeb Brandon and what
a joint journey. He's had over the last couple of
years of injury, but he's looking happy as a peg
in the proverbia on that he's back in the fold again.
We'll hear from him shortly before that, though your calls
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one hundred eighty ten eight free fine, or you can
taxt nine to two nine two ZBZB standard text judge
does apply.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Good Evening, Robert, good Evening, Darsie da Lover, but also
for Darcy Uh the first person who made the comment
that Mana Pacifica should be a feeder club, I personally
believe it would be the death now for Mauna Pacifica.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Darcy.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
You look at the people who involved with Buna Pacifica,
got Sir Brian Williams, Sir Michael Jones, a Lama Roma
among all people, those players synonymous. It's all back qugby Darcy.
Remember this, there is a cultural aspect to all of this,
because the Pacific Islands are based on community, and these
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players who are wearing the Miner Pacifica jersey are very
proud of the of the community. You look at the
when was the last time, as a house call said,
when was the last time we've ever seen uh North
Harbour Stadium sold out ever. Yes, but Darsy, there is
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that cultural community aspect that people need to understand. That
it is the pride that these Pacific Island players have.
Money is not everything, Darsy.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I asked about. Robert. I'm really glad you called because
even though I'm seventh generation New Zerms in New Zealand's
and I love it here and I grew up in
the South Island, it was a little pale down mean
for one of a better word. But the scenes of
community within pacifica Nations is something I've not lived in
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and I've never it, so it's hard for me to go, yeah,
I understand because I've never lived in it. I actually
don't know. But when I moved up from christ Church
and you can meet a lot of Pacific people and
started understanding the import of community and of the village,
raising the kid and all that fascinated about that. So
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that's the aspect that I don't understand because I've not
lived it, and plain that it's very powerful.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Robert, Yes, yeah, absolutely, Look, Darcy, remember the saying you
can take the Simone boy out of Saint Moois, but
you can never take the saone out of the boy,
Same with Tonga, same with Fiji, any Pacific Island Darcy,
when you get the opportunity to be exposed to the
community in the way that the Pacific Island people support themselves.
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For example, if I may say so, when there's a
funeral in one of the families in the village, everybody
pitches in, even though they're neighbors, even though they don't
know the person, the family personally, they all pitching why
because of that community spirit. And this is what I'm seeing,
Miss Wonderfu sick a team. Look at the pride that
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people like Sir Brian Williams, Sir Michael.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Jones saw a crowd Robert I was watching on the
TV and the passion that came out of the eyes
and the skin of the crowd was like, Wow, this
was really We're not an emotional bunch of us polang you.
We don't quite get it right, not like Pacifica. And then,
and I'll go back to one of my favorite signs
of a shortened version of demari the people, the people,
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the people, And I love that that's what drives the
big suade of your community.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
You look, you look at the singing. Excuse me does
Look at the singing that goes on, Look at the
the motivation that gives those players of course, just like
just like the abs, just like the Mary a Bs know.
I'm a pontib man through and through. Look at the
number of the Pacific Island boys that now play for Ponsonby.
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We initially initially started off way back in the nineteen sixties.
We we our pontib team. The Sun one team was
the first Simon team to win a rugby Auckland championship,
which was a fistle Cup.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
When was that in the seventies seventies?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Right crazy in the singing. I took my then much
smaller girl, she's fourteen now as taking a sport and
she drives sport. We're don't go watch the game of rugby,
like oh, rugby league. I said, no, No, the kiwis
are playing tounger. She goes, I don't care. I see
when you walk in there, you will I'll show you
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something you've never seen before in a crowd. And she
was gobsmack that the flags and the singing and the joy.
She's like, dad, this is something else. I said, I
told you so, I'm well aware of how that operates,
and I think it's a wonderful part of playing its pacificame.
But it's a great part of New Zealand, it really is.
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We benefit from it. Robert, I gonna go. I gotta
go and talk to braid and thank you for calling,
and thank you for your calls. It is at seven
forty seven. This is News Talk. B Braiden Enna joining
us next here on Sports Talk. Can hear you.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
When I'm dreaming?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
It's nine and a half minutes away from eight o'clock.
Marcus last year up next after the New Sport and
with a package, we're going to talk about super Rugby
now the returning. He's been bre for a couple of
weeks now, but man, he looks good. He looks happy
as well. His name is Braiden Ena, he joins us. Now, Hi, Braiden,
I'm very well what about yourself? You guys still pulsing
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and bumping after what happened last week against the Warritor.
That was convincing. They say the score cut actually flattered
the warratas in the end because maybe took your foot
off the pedal a wee bit, but all around, a
lot to like about that.
Speaker 11 (36:16):
Yeah, it's good, good running rugby. Probably. I think we
did pretty well with the heavy, heavier track, but like
you said that for the last twenty minutes we could
clean up a bit more and really put them away.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
What aspect of that do you think is that I've
been identified by Rob Penny any particular area that is
more concerned about than the others.
Speaker 11 (36:35):
Oh, discipline. The back half of the game has always
been the last couple of weeks been trending has been
been pretty poor. So obviously cleaning that up, and we
felt pretty confident defending in their half. So just getting
the ball down there and making them, making them attack
out of their half, tough to score tries from their
long range, so making them work for it a bit more, just.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Taking some territory off of the boot and stick them
down in the corner and say good luck. Yeah, exactly.
The discipline areas is this fatigue based? What cause is that?
What triggers that for things to fall away in the last.
Speaker 11 (37:09):
Twenty odd Yeah, I think the main one we're getting
done for is not rolling away. So that's just the
detail and and our tackle tackler, second tackler coming in
to the double shoulder first off. You want to be dominant,
you're landing on top, get up and move through. But
when you sort of missed that hit, you end up
behind the ball and you're having to roll away. So
just that quick change of mindset if you haven't won
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the hit, then those quick urgent movements to get get
up and out of there for the nine gets there
and milks it.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
And yeah, you don't want in the opposition kind of
leaning all over you because they're not going to do
that anyway, are they because they'll get pains too, So
you kind of have to be quite instant, doesn't it. Which,
let's face it, Brady has helped the game extraordinarily. It's
got so much more rhythm and.
Speaker 11 (37:50):
Flow now, Yeah, exactly all and play as much higher
and hopefully it's a lot more exciting for those watching
at home.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I'm excited and loving what's going on in the back
line with the Crusaders. How comfortable are you in there, brain,
because maybe you've had a dog of a time over
the last couple of years, but you're back and you're playing.
It looks like you're there's care free as you've ever been.
Speaker 11 (38:08):
Yeah, I guess having a bit of time off the
park or I have in the last couple of years,
sort of gives you time to think and just sort
of almost help me find that love of the game again,
coming back in and just enjoying every moment while playing
with this team and poison insight and out of me.
So yeah, looking forward to it getting some more minutes
and apart as.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Far as falling back in love for the game again,
how much of that was self doubt that you get
back to the self that you know once you've gone
through that injury. Did that smear you were told it
was that a shadow on you.
Speaker 11 (38:35):
I'm not sure if it's self doubt. Obviously in the
early stages, especially after that knee twenty twenty three, just
for the World Cup, that was where I sort of
sat out of love of the gamer, but obviously pretty disappointing,
terrible time to have it. So you tend to take
a couple of months just to sort of wallow and
self pity, and then then you start to feel a
little bit more like yourself when you knee, start sitting down,
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you start to run again and start building that confidence back,
and I think coming back it is just gaining those
little positives every week you take a little positive out
of out of each training, whether it's you had a
top speed again, or you're you're feeling a bit better stepping,
or you're nailing a few more passes and reading the
game a bit better, and you just, yeah, you build
those consecutively throughout throughout your return to when you come
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back on the park, you feel rare and.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
You go when I said self, doubt more hoping that
your body will hold together and your knee and your
limbs have got the strength. It's kind of doubt in
your physicality and how way you of heal, because that
won't go away, surely, not for a while.
Speaker 11 (39:35):
I think I think I'm pretty good at just leaving
it behind. It's almost like a goldfish memory. You just
it is what it is. I'm back playing now, get
stuck in, try not to think about it too much,
and because if you start thinking like that, then you're
only going to be scared going in contact, scared going
a full sprint, and that's just no good for you.
So hope, I hope that's it looks like I'm coming
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back with a whole lot of confidence, and that's what
that's how I feel, so really looking forward to.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
It with time out of the game and then coming
back again, have you made any major adjustment around what
you do from an observational point of view? I've been
watching for so long. Is that lifted what you do
the ability to change with the times?
Speaker 11 (40:17):
I feel like with being out and watching a lot more,
it's actually helped my sort of vision of the game.
And then watching things unfold and pieds up players all
those sorts of things obviously comes with a bit more
experience as well, but compared to my younger years. But
center these days, with Russian defenses can leave but a
backfield space or disjointed attack defense line. So reading all
(40:39):
those sorts of players, and defensively as well picking off players.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
And this Mitchell Drummond, he's been around for as long
as Noah one hundred and fifty this weekend, how good.
Speaker 11 (40:50):
Yeah, he's an absolute legend of the Red and Black.
You know, it seems like he's been here as long
as I've been alive. But we're actually pretty similar in age.
But yeah, I'm looking forward to getting them out there
and playing with them again. One hundred and fifties. There's
no easy task. Is only a few few men and
and Sugar Rugby that have ever hit that milestone, so
(41:10):
really looking forward to it.
Speaker 9 (41:11):
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Speaker 2 (41:18):
Zibby Maraiden in there out of the Crusaders finally after
a couple of wretch of the years back and Red
and Black doing what he does at best, and spectacular
display from everybody last week up against New South Wales.
Would be surprised if the island has rolled them to
DA but they've got Scooter Barrett back and they've got
(41:39):
a pretty handy hooker rolling around the place as well.
He's come back into the fold. So yeah, anyway, great
to talk to Braden and I've spoken I don't know
how many times to Mitchell Drummond way back from radio
sport days right.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Up through now.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
He is a top bloke and the way he's dealt
with Noah Hotham going past him, Preston going past him,
he's done it really well. Had a lot of time
for that guy. And apparently he's got a ninety five
inch wide flat screen TV. This is an urban myth
(42:17):
that we've both been perpetrating since two thousand and seven.
This is News Talk ZB Thank you ants
Speaker 1 (42:27):
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