May 27, 2025 • 43 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
AUT Human Performance professor Patria Hume on the death of Ryan Satterthwaite.
Talkback - do we need to ban Run It Straight?
Tennis correspondent Craig Gabriel on the French Open.
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want to get all for Numerica on it. We're going
to be talking today horrible tragic story, the story of
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the nineteen year old Ryan Sattathwaite who succumb to injuries
that he received in a add hoc copycat version of
the Run It Straight Exchange, received head injuries and died
on Monday. We're going to talk to petrary humor but
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Hume about this, the professor of human performance at aut
about the warnings about the lack of heeding these warnings
just a way of saying, don't play with your brain
like this. It's simply not worth it, and it's hideous
that it takes the death of a human being to
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pull this into serious we'll talk about that with Patria
then we'll take your calls on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Towards the end of the program at Cape Craig Cabe,
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(02:24):
He finds himself in Paris at the French Open. A
couple of weeks of fun and the clay await an
idea from Craig about where the title is going to go,
who's going to pick up the chocolates and who, of
course are the outsiders that might cause a rucus in
the clay. That's Craig Gabriel joining us up. Toward the
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end of the program. We talk with Patria shortly, but
right here, right now, this it's for today for my
football fern. My Jackman has no problem with the New
Football Firan's coach Michael Maine. She's just unhappy with the
process that New Zealand Football's short list. It was all male,
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just the a.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I'm really excited to see what he does. And it's
not about Michael, but it's about the processes. And you know,
it's important not just for Optics to have like a woman,
either candidate or even given the role, but the ongoing
development and empowerment of the sport ends it.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
IFO has any statement refuted any claims of a lack
of diversity in the hiring process, Costa Barbarussa's has hit
eject on his phoenix ride. It's thought that the instrumental
star is seeking greener pastures to propel his way back
into All Whites World Cup contention. Then it's football director
(03:44):
Sean Gildough things he didn't need to go.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Anywhere continuity, you know, as family's here. You know, great
training facilities, you know, we've got excellent support stuff. We
know we're going to rebuild and put a good competitive
squad together next year, so you know, we felt like
it was the right place. But ultimately he's decided not.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Olympic gold metal high jumper Hamish is set into his
role too good boy, but he's sentiling into his role
as the best in the world.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Last year I was I was pretty lucky for most
of the year, I still was kind of a bit
of an underdog. I think this year it's all going
to be about that and about how I can kind
of just contend with life, you know, as as the
Olympic champion and what that looks like on tour.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And Okay, see here he's recovered from a pounding to
surge into a three to one series lead over the
Timberwolves in the NBA's Western Conference Finals series. Yes, a pounding,
the recovered forty old points was it throws.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
It inside, deflected from Williams and that's it.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
It's over.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Oklahoma City rebounds from a forty two point loss and
takes a.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Commanding three to one lead in this Western Conference Final
forty two. That was close, as ESPN just told us,
Oklahoma City founder a tantalizing the close to the championship
series after dispatching Minnesota one two eight one two six.
And that's sport today. It's eleven minutes after seven NS yesterday,
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nineteen year old Ryan Southwait come to as injuries that
received during a backyard copy cart version of the controversial
run it straight concept that wasn't officially under their auspices,
but it was a game that they played, and Ryan
Southwaite has died as death has accelerated concerns around these
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styles of activities that have gained huge traction across social
media platforms recently, like the inherent risks of these amateur
collisions because they are they're known, but maybe not enough
to stop people having a go. I suppose all about education.
We're joined now by a portraya Hume, professor of human
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performance from aut Good Evening, Patria, absolutely devastating.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
Yes, Ryan's death was preventable, and people do need to
understand the risks because when two people are running at
each other under these run it style conditions, the impact
forces are like jumping off the roof of your house
on your front. So that's the level of trauma that
your body is experiencing and especially the brain. So people
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need to understand those risks so they can decide whether
they want to participate.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
That's a massive impact, and I suppose it's the ability
to when you can't really control the position of the
impact and how you'd react to that, it's not really
something you have much command over in the middle of
that action.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
Well, it happens in a very short amount of time
and you've got unknown circumstances because you don't know how
the other person is going to react. And in these
types of run it style events, people are just running
at each other and there's no guidelines on the type
of tech. And so the work that we've done the
twenty five years in Rugby Smart and netle Smart and
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trying to reduce impacts on people and minimize the risk
of these severe injury that's kind of being ignored by
people in the formal events that are being organized and
these copycat you know, activities where people are playing in
the backyard and they think it's fun, but really the
consequences are immense, and in this case it was devastating
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because Ryan has died and his death was preventable.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Don't need a situation like this to put an exclamation
mark on the request and not but it has happened.
If there's ever been an underlining of a piece of advice,
that is it. So we'd like to think that his
death wasn't in vain and people learn from that, and
I suppose that's the only small positive out of this.
Speaker 8 (07:49):
Yes, Unfortunately, it takes a death or multiple deaths for
people to take action, and so the lessons from Ryan's
death that the forces involved can be deadly, and we've
got to stop glorifying these types of activities and events
where the goal is to hurt someone. We need to
be participating and enjoyable sports and playground activities where we
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can improve our social interaction and our cultural engagement and
participate safely.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You basically can't mitigate, can you in a situation like
this when you're running straight out at each other? Is
there any form of control these semi professional competitions can
put in place because I believe they've got medics on
site and so on and so forth. This was in
someone's backyard, but we can we even control these outcomes regardless.
Speaker 8 (08:40):
So with medics being on site, that enables you to
identify the concussions and to deal with the injuries after
they've occurred. But that's like the ambulance at the bottom
of the cliff. We need to stop people falling off
those cliffs or the house analogies I gave before to
ensure that people don't get injured in the first place. Now,
for rugby, for example, there is compulsory tackle technique instruction,
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and there's progressive engagement in contact from tag rugby, you know,
right through to full professional all blacks. There's nothing like
that in these run it type activities. So that kind
of injury prevention and safety education and development in these
types of events, if they're going to continue, which I
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hope they don't, you know, would need to be created.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Patria home joining Us, professor of a Human Performance from
aut in your time, when you looked at how to
beast mitigate these situations in collision sports like rugby and
rugby league, over the last quarter of a century, has
it markedly improved. They are fewer people getting bad head knocks,
bad concussion, other steps actually making a palpable difference.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
They are making a difference. So doctor Ken Quarry, who's
the senior scientist hinew Zealand Rugby, his PhD work was
all about changing scrum engagement and reducing the severe neck
injuries that were resulting. And then Simon gan Nototty and
others there's a whole lot of PhD students who have
done some amazing work who have shown that we can
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change technique and introduce things like the identification of concussion
and help and recovery when people are injured. So there's
a lot of research out there. People just need to
understand the risks and know that these type of events
or activities they are not harmless stunts. Their high speed
impacts and they can because cause for their brain injuries
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and death.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Also, when you look at these matchups, there may be
some people that engage in this that haven't got a
background in anything collision base and if they come up
against someone who has got a background in rugby league
or rugby union, they're going to be in a much
better physical and mental state to understand what's going on.
So the odds are poor that you're actually going to
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get through this without some devastating injury. A great big
man who's trained in it as opposed to a guy
who's got a bit of bravado that's just asking for it.
That imbalance it is.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
So this technique to consider it is also the body mass,
so it's a straight physics equation. Actually the impact force
is due to the mass of the person and the
speed at which they can run, and then you're multiplying
that by two because you've got two people running towards
each other and impacting each other. So you know, I
can predict by looking at people as a biomechanist who
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is likely to come off worse just based on the
speed that they can run and the size of that person.
And then if I don't know anything about their technique,
I can figure that out when I see them, you know,
hitting each other and predict who's going to be injured.
It's physics, it's basic biomechanics.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
We're looking also at the possibility of this being banned
telling people they can't engage. I'm not entirely sure you
can actually do that because people will be people. Is
there any way or space think maybe there should be
something that actually outlaw this kind of activity.
Speaker 8 (12:08):
Well, if it's not considered sport, and it's considered to
be occurring our sidelines of sports, it could be technically
called assault, in which case then there are consequences.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And what about the athletes that you see sideline at
these events that are actually professional athletes themselves, so in essence,
are being seen to legitimize this kind of behavior. I'd
suggest that anyone involved with a professional rugby team or
a league team should be kept as far away from
these exchanges as possible. They don't need their name tied
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up with this.
Speaker 8 (12:44):
No, that's correct, and you've already seen some backtracking of
some high profile people who were trying to help their mates.
You know, it's a great idea to create a culturally
appropriate event. We're really in support of that. It's just
unfortunately this is not the type of event to be supporting.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
And on that, pastor A Hume, we thank you so
much for your time, Professor of Human Performance at au T,
thank you very much.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Forget the riff's call. You make the call on eighty
eighty Sports Talk on your home of sports news Talks.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
It's nineteen eight minutes after seven. This is Sports Talk
on News Talk Z to B. That was Ptrary A
hum She's the Professor of Human Performance at aut talking
about the tragic death of Ryan's Sattathwaite after engaging in
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something not too dissimilar from the run, a straight concept
that has been doing the rounds in people's minds due
to the Some people would say object stupidity of it,
and other people would say, well, freedom and choice will
do what we want and there's an audience for it,
so we'll do it. Question and it comes in a
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couple of parts, as they normally do. Should we ban it,
should we ban these type of combat sports like the
Dan Hooker one minute scraps for example, And I sing
that on my Insta feed because I follow the hangman
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Nick Marshal art fan, and I find it to be
quite difficult to look at. And in the light of
the death of this young man, I wonder it's only
a matter of time before this happens again. But in
this particular version, this particular platform, I mean, power slaps
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incredibly stupid as well. It's got big television, bright lights, cameras.
Dana White serve them. Thinks it's gonna be okay, someone's
gonna die do in that too, right, So should we
ban them? Should we ban the sports? And if you
say yes, we should, how you can't It's impossible, As
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producer Ands Milicit was saying, genie well and truly out
of the bottle. The bottle is broken now and the
genie's all over social media, and that's where the acceleration
of this has come from, because everybody's seeing it. It's
all there, nothing you can do. And if no, just
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let them go. Based on what I don't think you
should bet it. I don't think you can bean it.
I feel a bit gross that I've actually watched a
bit of this on social media. Might be time to
drop kick Dan Hookers, feed to the pavement. People are people,
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they do these things. Again, what we always say the
trick here is education. People need to know how delicate
the human body is, how delicate the spine, the spinal cord,
the brain resting and the fluid, and need to know.
People don't know, they're going to make stupid decisions and
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if they do. There's a news Talk ZB seven twenty
two lines are open. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
you can text through to nineteen niney two. That is
zb ZB standard text charge does apply. This is sports talk,
but that is not a sport. Does news talk?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports men.
Have your say on eight hundred eighty to eighty sports
talk on your home of sports news Talks.
Speaker 9 (16:57):
It be if you're feeling down, that make you happy?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Be seven twenty five sports talk on new IFD lines
are open eight hundred eighty ten eighty, run it straight
and all of the variants or sports or exchanges of
that ILK. Should they be completely banned? Can they be
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completely banned? If you do wander how on earth do
you actually do it? Do you think you can? It's
all about education, so people know that you do something
like that, there's a really good chance things aren't going
to work out well at all. Say's an old saying
of mine. It's been twisted. You can lead a horse
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to water and invariably it drowns. You can tell them
anything you want to what's going on, And some people
with the sister, they just don't listen. And the genuine
tragic accidents. No one goes into this thinking that's going
to happen anyway. Let's get to the phones. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty, plenty of texts coming into We'll
try to get some of those.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
I die, Oh hi Darcy.
Speaker 10 (18:07):
The rugby world has gone to great lengths to try
and minimalize head injuries, and they've been aware of the damage.
And I think this kind of activity it needs to
be legislated against and called assault, and it needs to
be stopped in New Zealand, especially because we just don't
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have the we've got acc We don't have the amount
of facilities and doctors on board to accommodate all the
injuries that would flow through from this kind of activity.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Goringted to dibet. Then if you extrapolate, you look to
a number of other activities that New Zealanders engage in
that do have an edge to them that does cost
the tax paid a lot of money when they get
lost or when they get injured. There's a lot of
sport or a lot of pastimes of active they have
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an edge to them that can be fatal and do
we go about stopping? So where's your line? That's basically
what I'm saying.
Speaker 10 (19:15):
But there's this kind of activity. It is not a sport.
This is being promoted because someone's been able to think
they can make some money out of it and you know,
entertain people. This to me is the equivalent to a
King hit and that was outrwed in Australia.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
But these people know. It's hard to say it's assault
because they're willing participants. They both know what's going to
go on, so no one's assaulting anyone. They're both of
cobars each other, aren't they.
Speaker 10 (19:52):
The government and the taxpayers should not have to pick
up the bill for all their injuries. We need our
rugby guys, our sports people to be standing up against this.
Skins of legislation. You cannot expect doctors and all other
people to pick up the mess of what this is
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going to cause.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
And I know exactly what you're saying that if you
look at young people. When I say young, I mean
all sorts of people driving ridiculously fast on public roads
and hitting things and dying and costing us an enormous
amount of money. That's not sport at all. That's just
people making mistakes and doing stupid things they know they
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shouldn't do. But the government and the state cleans it
up for them, right, But they still get fixation.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
But they still get fixed legislation.
Speaker 10 (20:45):
And there's people well you know, they will cross the
law and they'll be injured, but there's legislation in place
to guide people and say this is not okay.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
But see even if you say that, you say you
cannot drink and drive and speed, but people do, and
they scrape them up off the ground anyway and put
them through rehabilitation. I think that's what I'm looking at
here as we are liners.
Speaker 10 (21:10):
So we shouldn't just say, oh, let's just not have
have no worries about people drinking and driving, have no
laws have let's just let them go for it. No,
that's not good enough, and we need to really take
a hard line on this.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Now, all right, Diane, That's what I'm looking for people's
thoughts on this. Nothing wrong, nothing right, just concepts. It's
half past seven, SportsTalk Care and Newstalks Eb. Eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. Yeah, good evening, Niko.
Speaker 9 (21:37):
Oh, Darcy dars. I sort of agree with that lady
earlier that if you ban it, you know, things will
go underground and people will do things that they don't
need to do. But at least if you legislated, it
covers the government, it covers a sec from liability. And
you were earlier saying that you can lead a horse
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to the water, but you can't make a drink. I
always say that you know, a good doctor can fix
I you, but nobody can fix stupid safe.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You can lead a horse to water invariably drowned. So
what I'm saying is you can tell people whatever you
want to do that, but they'll probably make a mess
of it. It's not about drinking, it's about actually going
the next step, and it's a disaster. That's that's humans
for you. But where do you put a line about
what you do legislate against them? What you don't you
see what I mean? That's that's the hard thing for
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suddenly there's going to be legislations against everything.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
How do you tell me.
Speaker 9 (22:37):
You will never determine that it's the same as a
gun law, you know, And I hate to save this,
but you will never prevent another another talent from doing
what you did with as many gun laws as you
can put in place. Of course, stupid people will do
stupid things, but at least you can try and eliminate
for this. And and I think that is up to
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us as a society, also for government and also sports
bodies to to just die and minimize for this by
damning it. And if if it goes underground, then that's
totally totally upon the person that's stupid enough to.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Do well less in the odds, but someone still would
be like a fight club situation, and then someone gets
dragged off to the hospital and their faces being crushed
and they're going to get fixed even with what we're
doing illegal or no, that's a yeah, I like that.
It's not easy, Nico. Thanks so much for your call
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for your time. Seven thirty two lines are open on
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty ladder on the piece
will talk a bit of tennis, slightly more Genteel Gabriel
joins us from the red clay of Paris. Good evening, Paul.
Speaker 11 (23:45):
Evening, Darcy. I'm going to go, but it against the
grain here. There's no way you can bear it. The
New Zealand Hero's headline when they said it was private,
a private runner, That's exactly what it was, Darcie. It
was the sort of behavior goes on every weekend. We know,
every weekend all around the country. Three guys doing stupid things,
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betting each other up, and and our alcohol is probably
the one of the main contributing factors. So this has
got nothing to do with the Run It Straight organization.
This was just some idiot guides on the booze running
that straighted each other. So, you know, to put it
on the Run It organization, I think it's way off
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the mark. And it's for acc that will never work
because people can just make up stories why they got injured.
And I know it's a motive because someone who has
passed away, Yes, but but you know, the run It's.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Well, it's the copycat thing about it isn't it, Paul.
People see it on social media, and no, you can't
put it at the feet of the people who organize this.
Run it straight, you can, they'll see it well and
explodes and they'll start doing it themselves, I know, to
go because it's out there.
Speaker 11 (24:58):
Yeah, well, people see all sorts of stuff on the
internet and copycait it. You can't ban it, and then
otherwise you're going to have to ban flapping because people
get knocked out than the slapping competitions. You know, when
UFC came out, you know, there was this huge uproar.
Now it's one of the biggest sports in the world.
You've got to remember that it's now in a controlled environment.
It might not be everyone's cup of tea. And I
understand that. You know, in that case, don't watch it.
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Go and read a book.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You know.
Speaker 11 (25:24):
You know, it's in a controlled environment with medical people
and they do have some certain rules. So you know,
I think when it's all said and done, it'll be
around long before you know, it'll be around for a
long time.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Paul, thanks very much for that considered call. Twenty five
minutes to eight. When I was younger and i'd get
on the booze. And I mean, I'm not saying a
tall that this young man who died that he was
drinking is anying involved in it. We don't know. That's
unfair to say that I'd do some pretty dumb things.
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There's a randomly tackle people at parties because I thought
it was funny clean someone out. They smashed the hidden
side of a coffee table. Still funny. This news talk
ZB lines are open eight hundred eighty ten eighty text
like nineteen nine two. That's z B z B. I'm
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not shouting, I'm just discussing things with people. Okay, just
breathe twenty five to eight because seventy eight sports talk
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on that news talks AB. Apparently my honish behavior as
a teenager has nothing to do with it. Well it does,
is what It says that we are capable of doing
stupid things even though we know better. You know it happens.
Try and tell where you went through youth and you
plane sale did nothing stupid. Okay, fine, the phone's going
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to go nuts. Plenty did it rhymes? Hey Roger, how
are you?
Speaker 7 (27:15):
Oh yeah, I see, Oh god, honestly, we're going nuts.
I mean, this is so medieval and it's like the
reverse of what I've got to love rugby, all the
team sports, fantastic with a lot of skill and blah
blah blah fantastic. Here we are in twenty twenty five.
We've got this crap happening.
Speaker 9 (27:31):
It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
I mean, I mean, it's just I can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But there's I know, but there's there's a there's a
market for it.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Someone's promoted, That's what I mean. This underlines how stupid
we are in twenty twenty five that we come up
with us honestly.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, how many other things, Roger, I wouldn't imagine that,
But there I've read a story is someone in one
hold of money out with the kind of line this is,
this is transformational for me and my family, and I
take that risk and to make that money because it's
going to You know, there are drives and reasons for
people to do things, and you can't put yourself into
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their shoes and say, well, I wouldn't do it because
you're not.
Speaker 9 (28:14):
Them, you see, I know.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
But just thinking this day and age, I don't know,
it's just.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Oh, well, look at biggest belief, right job. I'm not
saying I'm not I'm just saying that the white people
do this. You just don't know people's drives, do you.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Those poor parents with that nineteen year old I mean, god, I.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Mean it breaks your heart. And also like the guy
that you know, he ran into How's Hayman is feeling
right now?
Speaker 7 (28:45):
But anyone or half a brain would realize that one
on one high impact.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I mean, well, yeah, but but it happens, or the
impact that happens in contact sports, that happens in a
number of different things. You don't know. Obviously, don't want
to put yourself in that position. And this is the
idea of doing it.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
Oh, I love rugby and all teams got fantastic and
they supplied a lot. But I anyway, so it seems
so medieval to me.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Were going back, but it was medieval. They'd be jousting, and.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
You know, I do what I'm being on.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
But you know, I know, I know what I mean.
It does seem rather brutus. It does seem a little
on the archaic side of life. Roger, thanks very much
for your call as always. Oh one hundred eighty ten
eighty John good.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Evening, Yes, Hello, how are you doing very well?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
What's on your mind.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
I completely disagree with the previous caller. I think if
two consenting adults, they know the risks, they know what
they want to do, what's why should we stop them?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Well, that's why you can't say assault.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Yeah, exactly, there's no bigger risk than if they were
boxing white. Why should that be legal?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Possibly there's not as much control, and boxers have spent
a lot of time learning how to punch and be punched,
so they understand a lot more about it as opposed
to just a couple of blokes running headlong into each other.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
So that's the truth.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
But I would argue that boxing is more dangerous with
the boxing gloves that's there to protect the boxer's hand
and not the boxer's head, which allows them to take
much more impact. That's the exact same argument why people
say emma is safer than boxing, because it's much safer
to get one hit and knocked out rather than to
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get knocked down five times in one night and you're
getting repeated concussions.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
And it's the safety of helmets in American football they
say it helps, and it doesn't because you're emboldened by
that and you run headlong into people doesn't work exactly.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
That's exactly why they're removed the headgear in Olympic sale
boxing for that very reason. So people are willing, and
they know the risks, why are we to stop them?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
The argument around John, who eventually invariably pays for this,
And there's a lot of people testing and going, hey,
they shouldn't be allowed to come under ACC And I
say ACC covers all manner of events, be them huge,
outrageous acts of gods or just acts of stupidity. I
don't think you can ring things anything in particular, even
(31:22):
though we shake our heads and go what are you doing?
Speaker 6 (31:25):
I completely agree we can't just pick and choose who
should be allowed healthcare. It should be for everyone, no
matter what. Otherwise, maybe someone gets some form of cancer
and we get to a too rare they're not allowed
that anymore. You know, it has to be for everyone.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
The interesting points, John, thanks very much for calling through.
This is a sports look on news talks AIRB seven
forty three, no frontal cortex and males from twenty five
to thirty dars. So we all know males don't think
about consequences. No, ship they don't. This is news Talk's AIRB.
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We're going to talk to great Gabriel next. Get a
wait of this. We've got to the slightly more calm
and relaxed exploits of tennis players over in Paris. French
opened up and running his news talk as.
Speaker 12 (32:16):
Ze Sbody Sex sports Stalk care on Newstalk ZIBB.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
It's talking sport tennis French open up and running in Paris.
What an event that isn't a man on the spot
as per Is Craig Gabriel, he joins us, Now I've
got evening. Good morning, Craig's.
Speaker 13 (32:46):
Good to be with you, bonchaur. And yeah, look we've
had a little bit of a few weather but a
couple of the mornings have been absolutely picture perfect.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So what are we expecting. We've already had a couple
of shakes, but you'd expect that right in Paris, you're
going to have top seeds or seeds that maybe should
be top. They they fall over because it is a
unique place to play tennis.
Speaker 13 (33:11):
Yeah, and look in the Americans, as a couple of
big name Americans stumbled yesterday over here in my time,
they don't they don't travel well, you know, and and
they find it difficult getting used to Europe. So we
lost the number nine seat on the women's side, Emma Navarro,
and not only did we lose it, she got blistered,
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blasted and thumped on the court six one, six love.
And they're not long after the men's number four seat,
Taylor Fritz, the US Open finalist, goes crashing out in
four sets, six to one in that fourth set. So
you know, there have been a couple of, as I said,
big upsets, but the fancied ones yesterday did get through, Egosriontek,
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the defending champion, Janick Sinner on the last, the late
night match, Carlos Alcaraz, Casper Wood. So you know, it's
still a lot of the usual suspects advanced when it.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Comes to this particular Grand Slam, and you look at
the lead and events. How instrumental is form in the
lead and events, all the clay events that have been played.
Speaker 13 (34:19):
They do play a big part in this. And you
know when you get somebody like Arena Sabolenca doing pretty
well in the lead ups just me and Paulini, last
year's finalist, winning Italy the Italian Open and becoming the
first Italian woman to do so in absolute yongks. Those
sort of things do carry a fair bit of weight,
(34:40):
and we'll see as the tournament progresses. But what I
was going to say is that the clay in Paris
and the conditions in Paris are also quite different to
the conditions and a lot of the other play court
events leading in Rome tends to be a bit heavier.
Monte Carlo, you're right on the coast, so you're affected
by some of those conditions over there. Madrid is an altitude,
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so things are quicker. So if you get what you see,
what I mean, they're quite well. There may be the
same sort of basic surface. The conditions do vary quite
dramatically from one clay court event to the other, but
still getting matches on the red dirt does carry weight.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
So the ability for players to be able to adjust
at the drop of a head to what even the
conditions are doing. Because I'm presuming it will change from
from tournament to tournament, depending what year it is, the
conditions around. You've got to be really nimble to get
make clay work for you, Craig.
Speaker 14 (35:41):
You've got to be able to adapt, you know, at
a whim, you know, because you know it happens in
most tournaments, you don't necessarily get two hard court tournaments
the same grass from one event to another, Bounces are different,
et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 13 (35:57):
So you know, it's such a mental game. You've got
to be fixed mentally and strong mentally to be able
to adapt all that as well, in addition to the
physical side and the technical side, et cetera. So it's
not just a case of going out on court and
hitting balls across the net and seeing who's going to
come out the strongest. There's so many other factors that
have to be considered going into any match these days.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
His favorite so always players at the top of their
game who people look toward. What about the wild cards,
players that have come through the last few months that
might cause an upset, that might be finding the rhythm
at the key moment. Can you identify anr then for us, Craig,
Ye know.
Speaker 13 (36:36):
I want to see how some of the French guys
go because they get massive support. There's one French guy
in particular who I've got a lot of time for
love watching him player. I think he's got a wonderful game,
he's young, he's rising. His name's Arthur Feasts and you
know he's only nineteen or just turn twenty, so it's
still incredibly young. He's in the same age bracket as
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Janick Sinner and Carlos Alcaraz and he's started to get
a bit more attention. He had a good win yesterday
over at Clay Corn and Nicholas Jerry Arthur FeAs is
a name that I watch out for because I like
his style and I like the way he plays yes,
so he would be one for me that would would
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stand out. I mean just me and Paulini has had
such an amazing twelve months and coming to have that,
having that confidence of winning her home championship, I think
could carry a lot of weight for her. I'm not
putting Eager schwon Tech as the lead favorites this year,
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even though she's a defending champ and one at four times.
I'm not discounting her by any means when I say that,
But her form has been so iffy for her that
you know there there is a risk on on on
her side of things.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Early casualties predicting anything there, Craig, because it does happen
Grand slag Dinners. But if you got your eye on
on that, maybe some type fix is well.
Speaker 13 (38:04):
You know, the first couple of rounds of them at
any of the four majors is always dicey because you've
got one hundred and twenty eight players in the singles
draws and you've got some of these lesser named players
or i should lower ranked players who see this as
their opportunity for their fifteen minutes of fame, and how
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they are able to take to that. I mean, there's
there's a young, sorry Canadian player, a teenager. Her name
is Victoria Umboco, and she's getting a lot of chatter
in recent times and she came through the qualifying rounds
and won her first round over here, so you know
there's another name to keep an eye. And she's not
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going to win the championship, but certainly somebody in the future.
And Mira Andreva is another one I wanted to mention
who could be quite a threat. I don't think she'll
win it this year. She could next year, but there
are people suggesting that she will be there at the
tail end of the tournament. But as far as you know,
potential upsets and set we've seen a couple already, so
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anything is possible. Anything can happen on a given day
depends on what side of the bed some of these
players get out of.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
And today, what are you looking toward? Key matchups for
you both on the means and women's side of the draw, well.
Speaker 13 (39:23):
As far as New Zealand is concerned. Cam Nari is
gone today. But what a match. I mean, this is
one of those profile matches for one of the first
couple arounds. Yesterday we had Naomi or Soaka playing Palo
Badosa and Bodosha is the seeded one and beat Orsaker
in three sets, So you know, that's what I'm getting at.
And cam Nari is going to be playing Daniel Medvedev today.
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That's the that's the first match. It will be at
eleven o'clock Paris time on court Simon Machu and I
mentioned Mirror Androvias, she's on the look. This isn't This
could be a potential upset. I'm not saying it will,
but there is be a potential in here. Alexander's vere
you know you're talking about leading events. He he has
been pretty poor. Yeah, he won a minor clay court event,
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but his form this year has been so up and down,
and he is playing in a young American named Lerna
Tin that you some may recognize that name. He beat
Daniel Medvedev in the first round of this is Australian
Open and has really come along very very well since then,
So look out for that one.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Looking up for all of it and the insomniax in
the world love it and I go to bed way
too late, Craig at Gabriel, this won't be the last
time we pissed you for the next two weeks. You
enjoy yourself over there. We'll catch up again soon.
Speaker 13 (40:42):
Yes, absolutely, Darcie. Before I forget one other person, look
out and if you get a chance to watch him.
Jal Fonseka eighteen nineteen from Brazil plays Hubi her.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Catch today Fonsakah. It's written down, Craig, I'm going to stop. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah yeah as newsks he it's sports talk another day.
Another dollar. Thank you Craig Gabriel for joining us, and
a big thanks to our first guest as well, betraya
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home professor of human performance at a UT. I can't
go through all the texts. I'd much rather take your
phone calls when I've had plenty of texts and this
is interesting. Darcy when I'm working in a shift in
an operating theater, smuld rather be spending my time fixing
the old person that fell over and break their hair,
or operating the person whether the perforated appendix or bow,
(41:36):
or fix the person he's had a legitimate accident, not
spending potential hours operating on someone who has just participated
in some completely brainless activity. And a lot of people
think the same thing. There's a lot of activities that
humans engage in that you'd look at and go, why
would you do that? You had it coming? Base jumpings
one of them. What about free climbing? Have you ever
(42:00):
seen a movie or a documentary about free climbing, like
climbing like El Capitan, cliff faces with no ropes, no clips, nothing,
They fall off that yet, Well they're not going to
go to hospital from that distance. But people do things
that other people are confused by and don't like. We
still cover them. It's part of the experience. It's not
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a good idea. I'm not endorsing it in any way,
shape or form. Just go back to what I started with.
The more you know, the more educated you are, the
more aware you are of potential dangers and anything in
your life, the more you're going to do to mitigate
I don't play it and it's Milica. Thanks so much
(42:46):
for producing the program here on News Talks, B Madame
Darcy Autograph, Thanks for your course, thanks for your text,
Thanks for your ears. I'm catching them a row at seven.
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to be talking today horrible tragic story, the story of
(01:22):
the nineteen year old Ryan Sattathwaite who succumb to injuries
that he received in a add hoc copycat version of
the Run It Straight Exchange, received head injuries and died
on Monday. We're going to talk to petrary humor but
(01:42):
Hume about this, the professor of human performance at aut
about the warnings about the lack of heeding these warnings
just a way of saying, don't play with your brain
like this. It's simply not worth it, and it's hideous
that it takes the death of a human being to
(02:04):
pull this into serious we'll talk about that with Patria
then we'll take your calls on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Towards the end of the program at Cape Craig Cabe,
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He finds himself in Paris at the French Open. A
couple of weeks of fun and the clay await an
idea from Craig about where the title is going to go,
who's going to pick up the chocolates and who, of
course are the outsiders that might cause a rucus in
the clay. That's Craig Gabriel joining us up. Toward the
(02:45):
end of the program. We talk with Patria shortly, but
right here, right now, this it's for today for my
football fern. My Jackman has no problem with the New
Football Firan's coach Michael Maine. She's just unhappy with the
process that New Zealand Football's short list. It was all male,
(03:09):
just the a.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I'm really excited to see what he does. And it's
not about Michael, but it's about the processes. And you know,
it's important not just for Optics to have like a woman,
either candidate or even given the role, but the ongoing
development and empowerment of the sport ends it.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
IFO has any statement refuted any claims of a lack
of diversity in the hiring process, Costa Barbarussa's has hit
eject on his phoenix ride. It's thought that the instrumental
star is seeking greener pastures to propel his way back
into All Whites World Cup contention. Then it's football director
(03:44):
Sean Gildough things he didn't need to go.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Anywhere continuity, you know, as family's here. You know, great
training facilities, you know, we've got excellent support stuff. We
know we're going to rebuild and put a good competitive
squad together next year, so you know, we felt like
it was the right place. But ultimately he's decided not.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Olympic gold metal high jumper Hamish is set into his
role too good boy, but he's sentiling into his role
as the best in the world.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Last year I was I was pretty lucky for most
of the year, I still was kind of a bit
of an underdog. I think this year it's all going
to be about that and about how I can kind
of just contend with life, you know, as as the
Olympic champion and what that looks like on tour.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And Okay, see here he's recovered from a pounding to
surge into a three to one series lead over the
Timberwolves in the NBA's Western Conference Finals series. Yes, a pounding,
the recovered forty old points was it throws.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
It inside, deflected from Williams and that's it.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
It's over.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Oklahoma City rebounds from a forty two point loss and
takes a.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Commanding three to one lead in this Western Conference Final
forty two. That was close, as ESPN just told us,
Oklahoma City founder a tantalizing the close to the championship
series after dispatching Minnesota one two eight one two six.
And that's sport today. It's eleven minutes after seven NS yesterday,
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nineteen year old Ryan Southwait come to as injuries that
received during a backyard copy cart version of the controversial
run it straight concept that wasn't officially under their auspices,
but it was a game that they played, and Ryan
Southwaite has died as death has accelerated concerns around these
(05:31):
styles of activities that have gained huge traction across social
media platforms recently, like the inherent risks of these amateur
collisions because they are they're known, but maybe not enough
to stop people having a go. I suppose all about education.
We're joined now by a portraya Hume, professor of human
(05:53):
performance from aut Good Evening, Patria, absolutely devastating.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
Yes, Ryan's death was preventable, and people do need to
understand the risks because when two people are running at
each other under these run it style conditions, the impact
forces are like jumping off the roof of your house
on your front. So that's the level of trauma that
your body is experiencing and especially the brain. So people
(06:20):
need to understand those risks so they can decide whether
they want to participate.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
That's a massive impact, and I suppose it's the ability
to when you can't really control the position of the
impact and how you'd react to that, it's not really
something you have much command over in the middle of
that action.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
Well, it happens in a very short amount of time
and you've got unknown circumstances because you don't know how
the other person is going to react. And in these
types of run it style events, people are just running
at each other and there's no guidelines on the type
of tech. And so the work that we've done the
twenty five years in Rugby Smart and netle Smart and
(07:01):
trying to reduce impacts on people and minimize the risk
of these severe injury that's kind of being ignored by
people in the formal events that are being organized and
these copycat you know, activities where people are playing in
the backyard and they think it's fun, but really the
consequences are immense, and in this case it was devastating
(07:25):
because Ryan has died and his death was preventable.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Don't need a situation like this to put an exclamation
mark on the request and not but it has happened.
If there's ever been an underlining of a piece of advice,
that is it. So we'd like to think that his
death wasn't in vain and people learn from that, and
I suppose that's the only small positive out of this.
Speaker 8 (07:49):
Yes, Unfortunately, it takes a death or multiple deaths for
people to take action, and so the lessons from Ryan's
death that the forces involved can be deadly, and we've
got to stop glorifying these types of activities and events
where the goal is to hurt someone. We need to
be participating and enjoyable sports and playground activities where we
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can improve our social interaction and our cultural engagement and
participate safely.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You basically can't mitigate, can you in a situation like
this when you're running straight out at each other? Is
there any form of control these semi professional competitions can
put in place because I believe they've got medics on
site and so on and so forth. This was in
someone's backyard, but we can we even control these outcomes regardless.
Speaker 8 (08:40):
So with medics being on site, that enables you to
identify the concussions and to deal with the injuries after
they've occurred. But that's like the ambulance at the bottom
of the cliff. We need to stop people falling off
those cliffs or the house analogies I gave before to
ensure that people don't get injured in the first place. Now,
for rugby, for example, there is compulsory tackle technique instruction,
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and there's progressive engagement in contact from tag rugby, you know,
right through to full professional all blacks. There's nothing like
that in these run it type activities. So that kind
of injury prevention and safety education and development in these
types of events, if they're going to continue, which I
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hope they don't, you know, would need to be created.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Patria home joining Us, professor of a Human Performance from
aut in your time, when you looked at how to
beast mitigate these situations in collision sports like rugby and
rugby league, over the last quarter of a century, has
it markedly improved. They are fewer people getting bad head knocks,
bad concussion, other steps actually making a palpable difference.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
They are making a difference. So doctor Ken Quarry, who's
the senior scientist hinew Zealand Rugby, his PhD work was
all about changing scrum engagement and reducing the severe neck
injuries that were resulting. And then Simon gan Nototty and
others there's a whole lot of PhD students who have
done some amazing work who have shown that we can
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change technique and introduce things like the identification of concussion
and help and recovery when people are injured. So there's
a lot of research out there. People just need to
understand the risks and know that these type of events
or activities they are not harmless stunts. Their high speed
impacts and they can because cause for their brain injuries
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and death.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Also, when you look at these matchups, there may be
some people that engage in this that haven't got a
background in anything collision base and if they come up
against someone who has got a background in rugby league
or rugby union, they're going to be in a much
better physical and mental state to understand what's going on.
So the odds are poor that you're actually going to
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get through this without some devastating injury. A great big
man who's trained in it as opposed to a guy
who's got a bit of bravado that's just asking for it.
That imbalance it is.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
So this technique to consider it is also the body mass,
so it's a straight physics equation. Actually the impact force
is due to the mass of the person and the
speed at which they can run, and then you're multiplying
that by two because you've got two people running towards
each other and impacting each other. So you know, I
can predict by looking at people as a biomechanist who
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is likely to come off worse just based on the
speed that they can run and the size of that person.
And then if I don't know anything about their technique,
I can figure that out when I see them, you know,
hitting each other and predict who's going to be injured.
It's physics, it's basic biomechanics.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
We're looking also at the possibility of this being banned
telling people they can't engage. I'm not entirely sure you
can actually do that because people will be people. Is
there any way or space think maybe there should be
something that actually outlaw this kind of activity.
Speaker 8 (12:08):
Well, if it's not considered sport, and it's considered to
be occurring our sidelines of sports, it could be technically
called assault, in which case then there are consequences.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And what about the athletes that you see sideline at
these events that are actually professional athletes themselves, so in essence,
are being seen to legitimize this kind of behavior. I'd
suggest that anyone involved with a professional rugby team or
a league team should be kept as far away from
these exchanges as possible. They don't need their name tied
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up with this.
Speaker 8 (12:44):
No, that's correct, and you've already seen some backtracking of
some high profile people who were trying to help their mates.
You know, it's a great idea to create a culturally
appropriate event. We're really in support of that. It's just
unfortunately this is not the type of event to be supporting.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
And on that, pastor A Hume, we thank you so
much for your time, Professor of Human Performance at au T,
thank you very much.
Speaker 8 (13:11):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
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It's nineteen eight minutes after seven. This is Sports Talk
on News Talk Z to B. That was Ptrary A
hum She's the Professor of Human Performance at aut talking
about the tragic death of Ryan's Sattathwaite after engaging in
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something not too dissimilar from the run, a straight concept
that has been doing the rounds in people's minds due
to the Some people would say object stupidity of it,
and other people would say, well, freedom and choice will
do what we want and there's an audience for it,
so we'll do it. Question and it comes in a
(14:07):
couple of parts, as they normally do. Should we ban it,
should we ban these type of combat sports like the
Dan Hooker one minute scraps for example, And I sing
that on my Insta feed because I follow the hangman
(14:27):
Nick Marshal art fan, and I find it to be
quite difficult to look at. And in the light of
the death of this young man, I wonder it's only
a matter of time before this happens again. But in
this particular version, this particular platform, I mean, power slaps
(14:49):
incredibly stupid as well. It's got big television, bright lights, cameras.
Dana White serve them. Thinks it's gonna be okay, someone's
gonna die do in that too, right, So should we
ban them? Should we ban the sports? And if you
say yes, we should, how you can't It's impossible, As
(15:15):
producer Ands Milicit was saying, genie well and truly out
of the bottle. The bottle is broken now and the
genie's all over social media, and that's where the acceleration
of this has come from, because everybody's seeing it. It's
all there, nothing you can do. And if no, just
(15:36):
let them go. Based on what I don't think you
should bet it. I don't think you can bean it.
I feel a bit gross that I've actually watched a
bit of this on social media. Might be time to
drop kick Dan Hookers, feed to the pavement. People are people,
(15:58):
they do these things. Again, what we always say the
trick here is education. People need to know how delicate
the human body is, how delicate the spine, the spinal cord,
the brain resting and the fluid, and need to know.
People don't know, they're going to make stupid decisions and
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are open eight hundred eighty ten eighty, run it straight
and all of the variants or sports or exchanges of
that ILK. Should they be completely banned? Can they be
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completely banned? If you do wander how on earth do
you actually do it? Do you think you can? It's
all about education, so people know that you do something
like that, there's a really good chance things aren't going
to work out well at all. Say's an old saying
of mine. It's been twisted. You can lead a horse
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to water and invariably it drowns. You can tell them
anything you want to what's going on, And some people
with the sister, they just don't listen. And the genuine
tragic accidents. No one goes into this thinking that's going
to happen anyway. Let's get to the phones. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty, plenty of texts coming into We'll
try to get some of those.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
I die, Oh hi Darcy.
Speaker 10 (18:07):
The rugby world has gone to great lengths to try
and minimalize head injuries, and they've been aware of the damage.
And I think this kind of activity it needs to
be legislated against and called assault, and it needs to
be stopped in New Zealand, especially because we just don't
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have the we've got acc We don't have the amount
of facilities and doctors on board to accommodate all the
injuries that would flow through from this kind of activity.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Goringted to dibet. Then if you extrapolate, you look to
a number of other activities that New Zealanders engage in
that do have an edge to them that does cost
the tax paid a lot of money when they get
lost or when they get injured. There's a lot of
sport or a lot of pastimes of active they have
(19:07):
an edge to them that can be fatal and do
we go about stopping? So where's your line? That's basically
what I'm saying.
Speaker 10 (19:15):
But there's this kind of activity. It is not a sport.
This is being promoted because someone's been able to think
they can make some money out of it and you know,
entertain people. This to me is the equivalent to a
King hit and that was outrwed in Australia.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
But these people know. It's hard to say it's assault
because they're willing participants. They both know what's going to
go on, so no one's assaulting anyone. They're both of
cobars each other, aren't they.
Speaker 10 (19:52):
The government and the taxpayers should not have to pick
up the bill for all their injuries. We need our
rugby guys, our sports people to be standing up against this.
Skins of legislation. You cannot expect doctors and all other
people to pick up the mess of what this is
(20:14):
going to cause.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
And I know exactly what you're saying that if you
look at young people. When I say young, I mean
all sorts of people driving ridiculously fast on public roads
and hitting things and dying and costing us an enormous
amount of money. That's not sport at all. That's just
people making mistakes and doing stupid things they know they
(20:36):
shouldn't do. But the government and the state cleans it
up for them, right, But they still get fixation.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
But they still get fixed legislation.
Speaker 10 (20:45):
And there's people well you know, they will cross the
law and they'll be injured, but there's legislation in place
to guide people and say this is not okay.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
But see even if you say that, you say you
cannot drink and drive and speed, but people do, and
they scrape them up off the ground anyway and put
them through rehabilitation. I think that's what I'm looking at
here as we are liners.
Speaker 10 (21:10):
So we shouldn't just say, oh, let's just not have
have no worries about people drinking and driving, have no
laws have let's just let them go for it. No,
that's not good enough, and we need to really take
a hard line on this.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Now, all right, Diane, That's what I'm looking for people's
thoughts on this. Nothing wrong, nothing right, just concepts. It's
half past seven, SportsTalk Care and Newstalks Eb. Eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. Yeah, good evening, Niko.
Speaker 9 (21:37):
Oh, Darcy dars. I sort of agree with that lady
earlier that if you ban it, you know, things will
go underground and people will do things that they don't
need to do. But at least if you legislated, it
covers the government, it covers a sec from liability. And
you were earlier saying that you can lead a horse
(21:59):
to the water, but you can't make a drink. I
always say that you know, a good doctor can fix
I you, but nobody can fix stupid safe.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You can lead a horse to water invariably drowned. So
what I'm saying is you can tell people whatever you
want to do that, but they'll probably make a mess
of it. It's not about drinking, it's about actually going
the next step, and it's a disaster. That's that's humans
for you. But where do you put a line about
what you do legislate against them? What you don't you
see what I mean? That's that's the hard thing for
(22:28):
suddenly there's going to be legislations against everything.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
How do you tell me.
Speaker 9 (22:37):
You will never determine that it's the same as a
gun law, you know, And I hate to save this,
but you will never prevent another another talent from doing
what you did with as many gun laws as you
can put in place. Of course, stupid people will do
stupid things, but at least you can try and eliminate
for this. And and I think that is up to
(22:58):
us as a society, also for government and also sports
bodies to to just die and minimize for this by
damning it. And if if it goes underground, then that's
totally totally upon the person that's stupid enough to.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Do well less in the odds, but someone still would
be like a fight club situation, and then someone gets
dragged off to the hospital and their faces being crushed
and they're going to get fixed even with what we're
doing illegal or no, that's a yeah, I like that.
It's not easy, Nico. Thanks so much for your call
(23:30):
for your time. Seven thirty two lines are open on
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty ladder on the piece
will talk a bit of tennis, slightly more Genteel Gabriel
joins us from the red clay of Paris. Good evening, Paul.
Speaker 11 (23:45):
Evening, Darcy. I'm going to go, but it against the
grain here. There's no way you can bear it. The
New Zealand Hero's headline when they said it was private,
a private runner, That's exactly what it was, Darcie. It
was the sort of behavior goes on every weekend. We know,
every weekend all around the country. Three guys doing stupid things,
(24:09):
betting each other up, and and our alcohol is probably
the one of the main contributing factors. So this has
got nothing to do with the Run It Straight organization.
This was just some idiot guides on the booze running
that straighted each other. So, you know, to put it
on the Run It organization, I think it's way off
(24:30):
the mark. And it's for acc that will never work
because people can just make up stories why they got injured.
And I know it's a motive because someone who has
passed away, Yes, but but you know, the run It's.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Well, it's the copycat thing about it isn't it, Paul.
People see it on social media, and no, you can't
put it at the feet of the people who organize this.
Run it straight, you can, they'll see it well and
explodes and they'll start doing it themselves, I know, to
go because it's out there.
Speaker 11 (24:58):
Yeah, well, people see all sorts of stuff on the
internet and copycait it. You can't ban it, and then
otherwise you're going to have to ban flapping because people
get knocked out than the slapping competitions. You know, when
UFC came out, you know, there was this huge uproar.
Now it's one of the biggest sports in the world.
You've got to remember that it's now in a controlled environment.
It might not be everyone's cup of tea. And I
understand that. You know, in that case, don't watch it.
(25:21):
Go and read a book.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You know.
Speaker 11 (25:24):
You know, it's in a controlled environment with medical people
and they do have some certain rules. So you know,
I think when it's all said and done, it'll be
around long before you know, it'll be around for a
long time.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Paul, thanks very much for that considered call. Twenty five
minutes to eight. When I was younger and i'd get
on the booze. And I mean, I'm not saying a
tall that this young man who died that he was
drinking is anying involved in it. We don't know. That's
unfair to say that I'd do some pretty dumb things.
(25:57):
There's a randomly tackle people at parties because I thought
it was funny clean someone out. They smashed the hidden
side of a coffee table. Still funny. This news talk
ZB lines are open eight hundred eighty ten eighty text
like nineteen nine two. That's z B z B. I'm
(26:19):
not shouting, I'm just discussing things with people. Okay, just
breathe twenty five to eight because seventy eight sports talk
(26:49):
on that news talks AB. Apparently my honish behavior as
a teenager has nothing to do with it. Well it does,
is what It says that we are capable of doing
stupid things even though we know better. You know it happens.
Try and tell where you went through youth and you
plane sale did nothing stupid. Okay, fine, the phone's going
(27:12):
to go nuts. Plenty did it rhymes? Hey Roger, how
are you?
Speaker 7 (27:15):
Oh yeah, I see, Oh god, honestly, we're going nuts.
I mean, this is so medieval and it's like the
reverse of what I've got to love rugby, all the
team sports, fantastic with a lot of skill and blah
blah blah fantastic. Here we are in twenty twenty five.
We've got this crap happening.
Speaker 9 (27:31):
It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
I mean, I mean, it's just I can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But there's I know, but there's there's a there's a
market for it.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Someone's promoted, That's what I mean. This underlines how stupid
we are in twenty twenty five that we come up
with us honestly.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, how many other things, Roger, I wouldn't imagine that,
But there I've read a story is someone in one
hold of money out with the kind of line this is,
this is transformational for me and my family, and I
take that risk and to make that money because it's
going to You know, there are drives and reasons for
people to do things, and you can't put yourself into
(28:12):
their shoes and say, well, I wouldn't do it because
you're not.
Speaker 9 (28:14):
Them, you see, I know.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
But just thinking this day and age, I don't know,
it's just.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Oh, well, look at biggest belief, right job. I'm not
saying I'm not I'm just saying that the white people
do this. You just don't know people's drives, do you.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Those poor parents with that nineteen year old I mean, god, I.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Mean it breaks your heart. And also like the guy
that you know, he ran into How's Hayman is feeling
right now?
Speaker 7 (28:45):
But anyone or half a brain would realize that one
on one high impact.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I mean, well, yeah, but but it happens, or the
impact that happens in contact sports, that happens in a
number of different things. You don't know. Obviously, don't want
to put yourself in that position. And this is the
idea of doing it.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
Oh, I love rugby and all teams got fantastic and
they supplied a lot. But I anyway, so it seems
so medieval to me.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Were going back, but it was medieval. They'd be jousting, and.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
You know, I do what I'm being on.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
But you know, I know, I know what I mean.
It does seem rather brutus. It does seem a little
on the archaic side of life. Roger, thanks very much
for your call as always. Oh one hundred eighty ten
eighty John good.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Evening, Yes, Hello, how are you doing very well?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
What's on your mind.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
I completely disagree with the previous caller. I think if
two consenting adults, they know the risks, they know what
they want to do, what's why should we stop them?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Well, that's why you can't say assault.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Yeah, exactly, there's no bigger risk than if they were
boxing white. Why should that be legal?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Possibly there's not as much control, and boxers have spent
a lot of time learning how to punch and be punched,
so they understand a lot more about it as opposed
to just a couple of blokes running headlong into each other.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
So that's the truth.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
But I would argue that boxing is more dangerous with
the boxing gloves that's there to protect the boxer's hand
and not the boxer's head, which allows them to take
much more impact. That's the exact same argument why people
say emma is safer than boxing, because it's much safer
to get one hit and knocked out rather than to
(30:33):
get knocked down five times in one night and you're
getting repeated concussions.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
And it's the safety of helmets in American football they
say it helps, and it doesn't because you're emboldened by
that and you run headlong into people doesn't work exactly.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
That's exactly why they're removed the headgear in Olympic sale
boxing for that very reason. So people are willing, and
they know the risks, why are we to stop them?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
The argument around John, who eventually invariably pays for this,
And there's a lot of people testing and going, hey,
they shouldn't be allowed to come under ACC And I
say ACC covers all manner of events, be them huge,
outrageous acts of gods or just acts of stupidity. I
don't think you can ring things anything in particular, even
(31:22):
though we shake our heads and go what are you doing?
Speaker 6 (31:25):
I completely agree we can't just pick and choose who
should be allowed healthcare. It should be for everyone, no
matter what. Otherwise, maybe someone gets some form of cancer
and we get to a too rare they're not allowed
that anymore. You know, it has to be for everyone.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
The interesting points, John, thanks very much for calling through.
This is a sports look on news talks AIRB seven
forty three, no frontal cortex and males from twenty five
to thirty dars. So we all know males don't think
about consequences. No, ship they don't. This is news Talk's AIRB.
(32:04):
We're going to talk to great Gabriel next. Get a
wait of this. We've got to the slightly more calm
and relaxed exploits of tennis players over in Paris. French
opened up and running his news talk as.
Speaker 12 (32:16):
Ze Sbody Sex sports Stalk care on Newstalk ZIBB.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
It's talking sport tennis French open up and running in Paris.
What an event that isn't a man on the spot
as per Is Craig Gabriel, he joins us, Now I've
got evening. Good morning, Craig's.
Speaker 13 (32:46):
Good to be with you, bonchaur. And yeah, look we've
had a little bit of a few weather but a
couple of the mornings have been absolutely picture perfect.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So what are we expecting. We've already had a couple
of shakes, but you'd expect that right in Paris, you're
going to have top seeds or seeds that maybe should
be top. They they fall over because it is a
unique place to play tennis.
Speaker 13 (33:11):
Yeah, and look in the Americans, as a couple of
big name Americans stumbled yesterday over here in my time,
they don't they don't travel well, you know, and and
they find it difficult getting used to Europe. So we
lost the number nine seat on the women's side, Emma Navarro,
and not only did we lose it, she got blistered,
(33:34):
blasted and thumped on the court six one, six love.
And they're not long after the men's number four seat,
Taylor Fritz, the US Open finalist, goes crashing out in
four sets, six to one in that fourth set. So
you know, there have been a couple of, as I said,
big upsets, but the fancied ones yesterday did get through, Egosriontek,
(33:57):
the defending champion, Janick Sinner on the last, the late
night match, Carlos Alcaraz, Casper Wood. So you know, it's
still a lot of the usual suspects advanced when it.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Comes to this particular Grand Slam, and you look at
the lead and events. How instrumental is form in the
lead and events, all the clay events that have been played.
Speaker 13 (34:19):
They do play a big part in this. And you
know when you get somebody like Arena Sabolenca doing pretty
well in the lead ups just me and Paulini, last
year's finalist, winning Italy the Italian Open and becoming the
first Italian woman to do so in absolute yongks. Those
sort of things do carry a fair bit of weight,
(34:40):
and we'll see as the tournament progresses. But what I
was going to say is that the clay in Paris
and the conditions in Paris are also quite different to
the conditions and a lot of the other play court
events leading in Rome tends to be a bit heavier.
Monte Carlo, you're right on the coast, so you're affected
by some of those conditions over there. Madrid is an altitude,
(35:05):
so things are quicker. So if you get what you see,
what I mean, they're quite well. There may be the
same sort of basic surface. The conditions do vary quite
dramatically from one clay court event to the other, but
still getting matches on the red dirt does carry weight.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
So the ability for players to be able to adjust
at the drop of a head to what even the
conditions are doing. Because I'm presuming it will change from
from tournament to tournament, depending what year it is, the
conditions around. You've got to be really nimble to get
make clay work for you, Craig.
Speaker 14 (35:41):
You've got to be able to adapt, you know, at
a whim, you know, because you know it happens in
most tournaments, you don't necessarily get two hard court tournaments
the same grass from one event to another, Bounces are different,
et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 13 (35:57):
So you know, it's such a mental game. You've got
to be fixed mentally and strong mentally to be able
to adapt all that as well, in addition to the
physical side and the technical side, et cetera. So it's
not just a case of going out on court and
hitting balls across the net and seeing who's going to
come out the strongest. There's so many other factors that
have to be considered going into any match these days.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
His favorite so always players at the top of their
game who people look toward. What about the wild cards,
players that have come through the last few months that
might cause an upset, that might be finding the rhythm
at the key moment. Can you identify anr then for us, Craig,
Ye know.
Speaker 13 (36:36):
I want to see how some of the French guys
go because they get massive support. There's one French guy
in particular who I've got a lot of time for
love watching him player. I think he's got a wonderful game,
he's young, he's rising. His name's Arthur Feasts and you
know he's only nineteen or just turn twenty, so it's
still incredibly young. He's in the same age bracket as
(36:57):
Janick Sinner and Carlos Alcaraz and he's started to get
a bit more attention. He had a good win yesterday
over at Clay Corn and Nicholas Jerry Arthur FeAs is
a name that I watch out for because I like
his style and I like the way he plays yes,
so he would be one for me that would would
(37:17):
stand out. I mean just me and Paulini has had
such an amazing twelve months and coming to have that,
having that confidence of winning her home championship, I think
could carry a lot of weight for her. I'm not
putting Eager schwon Tech as the lead favorites this year,
(37:38):
even though she's a defending champ and one at four times.
I'm not discounting her by any means when I say that,
But her form has been so iffy for her that
you know there there is a risk on on on
her side of things.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Early casualties predicting anything there, Craig, because it does happen
Grand slag Dinners. But if you got your eye on
on that, maybe some type fix is well.
Speaker 13 (38:04):
You know, the first couple of rounds of them at
any of the four majors is always dicey because you've
got one hundred and twenty eight players in the singles
draws and you've got some of these lesser named players
or i should lower ranked players who see this as
their opportunity for their fifteen minutes of fame, and how
(38:24):
they are able to take to that. I mean, there's
there's a young, sorry Canadian player, a teenager. Her name
is Victoria Umboco, and she's getting a lot of chatter
in recent times and she came through the qualifying rounds
and won her first round over here, so you know
there's another name to keep an eye. And she's not
(38:46):
going to win the championship, but certainly somebody in the future.
And Mira Andreva is another one I wanted to mention
who could be quite a threat. I don't think she'll
win it this year. She could next year, but there
are people suggesting that she will be there at the
tail end of the tournament. But as far as you know,
potential upsets and set we've seen a couple already, so
(39:09):
anything is possible. Anything can happen on a given day
depends on what side of the bed some of these
players get out of.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
And today, what are you looking toward? Key matchups for
you both on the means and women's side of the draw, well.
Speaker 13 (39:23):
As far as New Zealand is concerned. Cam Nari is
gone today. But what a match. I mean, this is
one of those profile matches for one of the first
couple arounds. Yesterday we had Naomi or Soaka playing Palo
Badosa and Bodosha is the seeded one and beat Orsaker
in three sets, So you know, that's what I'm getting at.
And cam Nari is going to be playing Daniel Medvedev today.
(39:47):
That's the that's the first match. It will be at
eleven o'clock Paris time on court Simon Machu and I
mentioned Mirror Androvias, she's on the look. This isn't This
could be a potential upset. I'm not saying it will,
but there is be a potential in here. Alexander's vere
you know you're talking about leading events. He he has
been pretty poor. Yeah, he won a minor clay court event,
(40:11):
but his form this year has been so up and down,
and he is playing in a young American named Lerna
Tin that you some may recognize that name. He beat
Daniel Medvedev in the first round of this is Australian
Open and has really come along very very well since then,
So look out for that one.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Looking up for all of it and the insomniax in
the world love it and I go to bed way
too late, Craig at Gabriel, this won't be the last
time we pissed you for the next two weeks. You
enjoy yourself over there. We'll catch up again soon.
Speaker 13 (40:42):
Yes, absolutely, Darcie. Before I forget one other person, look
out and if you get a chance to watch him.
Jal Fonseka eighteen nineteen from Brazil plays Hubi her.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Catch today Fonsakah. It's written down, Craig, I'm going to stop. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah yeah as newsks he it's sports talk another day.
Another dollar. Thank you Craig Gabriel for joining us, and
a big thanks to our first guest as well, betraya
(41:13):
home professor of human performance at a UT. I can't
go through all the texts. I'd much rather take your
phone calls when I've had plenty of texts and this
is interesting. Darcy when I'm working in a shift in
an operating theater, smuld rather be spending my time fixing
the old person that fell over and break their hair,
or operating the person whether the perforated appendix or bow,
(41:36):
or fix the person he's had a legitimate accident, not
spending potential hours operating on someone who has just participated
in some completely brainless activity. And a lot of people
think the same thing. There's a lot of activities that
humans engage in that you'd look at and go, why
would you do that? You had it coming? Base jumpings
one of them. What about free climbing? Have you ever
(42:00):
seen a movie or a documentary about free climbing, like
climbing like El Capitan, cliff faces with no ropes, no clips, nothing,
They fall off that yet, Well they're not going to
go to hospital from that distance. But people do things
that other people are confused by and don't like. We
still cover them. It's part of the experience. It's not
(42:24):
a good idea. I'm not endorsing it in any way,
shape or form. Just go back to what I started with.
The more you know, the more educated you are, the
more aware you are of potential dangers and anything in
your life, the more you're going to do to mitigate
I don't play it and it's Milica. Thanks so much
(42:46):
for producing the program here on News Talks, B Madame
Darcy Autograph, Thanks for your course, thanks for your text,
Thanks for your ears. I'm catching them a row at seven.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
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