May 28, 2025 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
Horowhenua-Kapiti CEO Corey Kennett on their plan to cancel every club rugby game in a week if there's any bad behaviour.
Talkback on that new policy.
Maroons great Kevin Campion on State of Origin.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldergrave
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Ripper. Here we go sports Talk on news Talks V
seven after seven on Wednesday night, twenty eight May twenty five.
I'm Darcy, Hi, how are you come on sport from
now through ten eight o'clock tonight. Toward to the end
of the program, we'll catch up with Kevin Campion. He's
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on a bus with one hundred Kiwis on the way
to sun Court. Hell. I've got no idea, but they
that's where he is. We'll be chatting to him at all.
I'd say around about quarter two ten to eight. Of course,
there is no prouder Queenslander North Queenslander, get that one right, Darcy,
than Kevin Campion, who'll talk to us about origin tonight.
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The action is back on again, but we're going to
get things going by having a yarn with a bloke
by the name of Corey Kennett. Corey is the chief
executive of Hoopur Carpety Rugby Union and they've come up
with a cunning plan to stop senior club rugby the
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following weekend. If people behave like asses on the sideline,
any referee threats. Any abuse of it's too much of
it reaches a thresholder light. That's fine, we're going We're
gonna shut the whole shop and mash down the next week.
Brave too far, not far enough? We'll talk with Corey
about that shortly after that, we'll take your calls on
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one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do we need to
go this week? Do we need to go this far?
Is this going to work? Should we applaud this? As
I said? Is it too much? Is it not enough?
Plainly it's an issue and hot for company decided to
stand up and do something about it. Fantastic. We'll be
joined by Corey up next that. They take your calls
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after that. But before we do any of that, let's
do a whole lot of this today. For today, Flurry
Daily has reeled and Craig Bellamy to help with New
South Wales and Tonight's origin. Why there's nothing to see here,
says Laza, even though four of Bellamy Storm players are
sitting up for Queensland. No nothing to see here now.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I didn't get him on board to come up with
game plans. That's what we're here for, and we'll do
strengths and weaknesses of the opposition. But Craig is all
about us coaches and making sure we are prepared as
best we possibly.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Can be made. He's there. You can say all you want.
He's there, right, we can't. It doesn't matter. The Crusaders there.
They're giving Skipper David Heavili a break. Coach Robert Penny
explains this is the last round of competition against the
Brombies this weekend. Coach Rob Penn's Penny explains how that
came to pass. Came off early last week. He's pretty
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knocked up.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
He's had a massive campaign and the opportunity to hopefully
given him a week freshen up and to give Levi
some minutes.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, but to be fair, there's actually nothing on the
line except the myth of momentum because both Sada's and
the Brumby's have got home semis next week regardless. So
you go in New Zealand Gold Sleeperstar leader co won't
lose sleep if she doesn't achieve a career Grand Slam
by adding the US Open to her swag. Incidentally, I
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didn't realize this. There are five LPGA Majors and because
the fifth one is kind of only relatively new. They
don't count there. You only have to pick up four
of them to call a career. Grand's eye. Anyway, she's
not gonna lose sleep.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
I don't think I'm gonna wake up from my slip
and go I never won. You know, I'm obviously very
proud of the things that have happened, and you know,
I would be over the moon, especially like this week,
to come off with a trophy.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, over the moon at your career, say you're out
of the universe, You've gone, You've disappeared. It's wow, so good.
And the Pacers are standing on the casp for the
NBA Finals. They went three went up today in the
best of seven semi series against the New York next
the Indiana Pieces.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I won one away from the NBA Finals.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And when a team outs a three to one lead,
there have been very few that have dug out of
that hole. And he's just put the markers on the
nice work, that commentator, And.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
That's sport today.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Today's story around the hod of for Newa Karpitdy rugby
Union and their decision to hold all teams accountable if
there's trouble at mill on the sideline, tired of referee abuse.
Tired of that. They said, you know what, if it
happens again, and if it's enough, We're going to shut
down the whole senior club Rugby the next weekend. Wow
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to talk about that. We are now joined by the
chief executive of Hotrofanua Carpet. He looking forward to chatting
to you. I tell you his name is Corey Kennedy
joins us now, good evening. Corey made a bit of
news with your idea or your line in the sand
around basically kicking the entire senior comp to touch if
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there's any trouble on the sidelines, referee abuse and the
like as well. I'm presuming that this has been welcomed
with open arms by favor on concerned.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Isn't it funny Sometimes through a negative situation you get
some real positive outcomes. And the overwhelming positive out of
this is this is a whole of rugby community approach.
So we have at one hundred percent unanimous support from
all sectors, all our member clubs, all our affiliated associations,
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the h CARE, a few Board CARE, a few Rugby
Committee for No Company, Rugby Referees Association, so everybody is
operating under the same co Pappa. We just we just
we can't keep tolerating this crap.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So what triggered it? What was there one that finally
pushed the domino.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
So we've had initiatives in place, and we've dealt out
some pretty hifty sanctions in the past and suspensions. But
two weeks ago or two weekends ago, we had a
referee that was struck in the foot with a piece
of field equipment, and then later on there was a
threat that a referee would be stabbed. And you get
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that across your desk.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I suppose your reaction straight away would be and how's
the referee like that? Wow?
Speaker 7 (06:53):
You know that these these good buggers, these volunteers, these
guys and girls give up their time, their time away
from their farno. Some of them take days off work
so that this this whole community event can happen. We've
got We've got We've got volunteers, refs that will give up,
that will officiate over three games. I'll leave home at
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maybe nine am in the morning, come back at six
and the very reality, the very real reality is they
might get abused at all three Now, some of these
are low level items of abuse, and in some ways
they've become adapted being able to handle that. But when
you're saying crap like that, I'm going to stab you
or what ones in the past, good luck getting home,
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that sort of bollocks, you've got to stand up. And
as we've said, for us, we operate under the mantra
that the standard you walk past is the standard you accept,
and we don't accept this.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
When the referee came to you with that story, how
was he I'm presuming she quite shaken up or except
the fact that's me or what was their initial response
to this coy?
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Yeah, you know what was really sad to hear and
the complaints is a statement from young guys saying I'll
never felt so broken and never more did I want
to just take off my rest jersey, throat on the
ground and go home. And that's that's that's a son,
that's a husband, that's a father, and it's just horrendous.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Look what we would say is all of.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
The provincial unions in New Zealand, they've been working hard
on this for a long time. We're not unique and
in fact, when we look at some of the grotesque
events that have happened up and down the country. We're
far from the worst, but we've got to be prepared
to do something. Kiwis are so inherently obsessed with performance,
with winning that cup, that shield, that title. Well, let's
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smack them where it hurts. Let's say to them, if
you're going to continue to do this crap, then we're
going to come back at you, so that you stand
up and you listen, and you self police, you peer review,
and you say to each other when you hear someone
saying that that's not that's not good enough, we're not
going to accept that.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So that situation was the trigger. But it's been getting
loaded for a long long time, hasn't it. And you
would have been carrying us for ages. And I'm presuming
from what you're saying before, Corey, that you've been talking
to other unions and they're not alone, but you've actually
finding gone. You know what, here's my line in the sands,
so big for you guys. So where does the point
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start when it comes to the possibility of stopping Club
Senior Club rugby for an entire weekend. You've got you've
got levels of abuse. How do you actually start that
ball rolling? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (09:33):
You know, the first thing is having open, honest and
respectful communication with the Referees Association. So for us incredibly
thankful that they're completely on board. They themselves have released
the statement that they're very thankful that they've been involved
in the whole process. So we liaise with them around
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severity of abuse, and so as we've said, if we
get this serious, the most serious replicated, we're also undertaking
and we have we always to a whole heap of
an issues to address the lower level abuse, so that
because we're not naive, we're not going to get rid
of it. You know, rugby is a game, it's itself,
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it's just a mirror of society, and we've seen the
degrading of respect in society. And because they come to
a rugby we can't expect them to be completely different society.
But we want to keep instilling and upholding those values
that set rugby apart. So we really aise with the refs.
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We're in constant communication with them how their people are,
and then will assess situations on a case by case basis,
but being prepared to pull the trigger as soon as
we need to.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So something occurs mid weekend and does that affect the
following weekend or a weekend further or the current weekend,
if you work that put that in place, what the
system is?
Speaker 7 (11:00):
Yeah, yeah, so we already have systems in place. River
Is already have systems in place that again can be
stopped at me idiately and and I can't remember the
last time that has happened, but it has happened. And
so if abuse is so horrendous and it's not controlled,
then that game can be stopped and called off immediately.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
So we've had that. What about the whole round though,
you're saying you just call a whole round off and
that doesn't affect that people at the time. That's everybody.
So that's the following weekend, and what kind of steps
have to go through in order for you to rub
a stamp there?
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Yeah, so it will be the following week in for
the cancelation for all of rugby, and so for us
we go through the steps once again. What makes it
pleasing in a way is we've got all of our
member clubs Referees Association on board, So we'll be calling
a meeting straight after the weekend that has happened, and
then the very next round will be canceled and postponed
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and player another time and that weekend coming, you know,
gives us an opportunity for people to maybe just resonate
with with thinking about.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
What has happened.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
We recognize that, yes, there are going to be some
people that have done nothing wrong that have been affected,
but it's just it's great to see once again that
all of those people are behind this initiative. So we
go through the process with the Reef's Association, the HKF,
you Board, the member clubs, and then we'll implement it
once again. That does Our strong hope is that this
doesn't need to happen, and we've already had some amazing
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messages of support and the reach has been far cross codes.
Fantastic email from Football this morning about how they're going
to utilize some of the initiatives. We've talked about some
of the messaging messaging overnight from referees associations in the
UK applauding the stance and offering support for our referees,
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great support from other pus from nz ARE. Look, you know,
it's one of those things that if we have to
pull the trigger, we will.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You mentioned nz ARE how complicit a they been in
this all. How much of you involved them in this
proceed I do have to, Oh, look.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
They've been great dus. You know they're always offering support
as soon as we've had the U shoe. Rugby is
a relatively small community and they were quick to offer
support and guidance. So the engine r have been really
good in this space, as have other pus offering support
and ideas sharing as well around positive initiatives happening after
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after the weekend of the worst abuse. So we have
we get support around injet documenting what has happened, their
help around trying to assist all the referees, but education
and being able to work with these people that feel
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that they have some some right, some justification to come
along and deliver this this diatribe, this vitoriol of of
bs AT volunteers. That's that's the biggest one.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And you did a lot of consultation. Is it likely
that more clubs, more associations, more unions are going to
climb into what you're doing and take a leaf out
of your book.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
We hope. So when you when you get people that
are coming along, they're obviously keen to come along and
to watch the event, right so when we say to them,
your actions are going to help to trigger an action
that means this event won't take place. You know, we
see we got member clubs that are all our member
clubs are doing fantastic work and already dealing with sideline
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supporters not behaving as they should and not living up
to those virtues and the values that we talk about
in rugby. But we just got to understand that if
we have to keep working, we have to keep striving,
and if pus other pus want to join on and
replicate what we're doing, we'd be more than happy to help.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And Corey one last thing, there's always going to be
a segment of society clubs and the like that push
back something like this. Have you had any pushback at
all from anybody?
Speaker 7 (15:03):
No? No, no, I look that's my doors always open.
A lot of these people are cowards. They want to
yell from the shadows or from a keyboard. They can
come and have a chat with me at any time.
But we've had nothing but positive support and it's just amazing.
Probably the only thing I would say is is people
saying we need to go harder, which is which is great, right,
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But all you're going to do is think about if
this is your if this is your your wife, your son,
your son, your daughter coppying this sort of abuse after
they're doing community service. Yeah, you going to stand by?
Are you going to do something? Are you going to
call that person out? Or are you going to fade
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into the shadows?
Speaker 8 (15:47):
You know?
Speaker 7 (15:47):
And we just need people to understand it's a whole
community approach. And when we get that happening, I'm inherently
positive in my belief that that will help the situation.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
No need for the DMO. We've got the breakdown on
Sports Talk.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
News.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
It's Corey Kenned. He's the chief executive of Hotophoneur Carpety
Rugby decided that enoughs enough, here's our line in the sand.
You cross that, We're going to affect a whole lot
of other people, not just your team, not just you,
whole round. I'm trusting that. Corey said. There was no pushback. Ever,
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I loved her. Maybe if people said he could go harder.
Texts says, well said behavior, you walk past his behavior,
you accept war. New Zealanders need that as a mancha.
Yeah maybe, Mike, thanks very much for your text, but
your course of one hundred and eighty ten eighty. This
is right right, this is going to work. Would your
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club deal? Would your region like to see this happening?
Is it a Is it an overreaction? I'd suggest that
it isn't because plainly I'm not running hotop the carpety rugby.
I don't know. But if you've got a situation where
the constant narrative is one of abuse threats, it's beholding
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on you as the chief executive, to do something, and
by the sounds of Corey, then it's not like they've
come up with an idea and rubber stamped it. They've
talked to everybody. Talk to the clubs and the players
and the fans and the referees, and the unions and
the other unions. Are everyone possible? They need to canvas
the whole community because it is a community game. Let's
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not forget that. It's not all about making a pile
of money as an All Blacks actually a community game
that most people know ever achieve. Those dizzying heights of
all that representations were play cob with the mates, right,
So they decide, Okay, we're gonna put a foot down.
Here's our line in the sand. Good on you. Some
may suggest it might be a little too much. I
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don't know. It's a bit like you push me enough,
I'm going to turn around and knock you out. But
you get pushed enough, you're like, I can't do this anymore?
Will this work? Is this right? Have they gone far enough?
It's twenty four minutes after seven. This is sports Talking
on New Stalks EB.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
No, forget the riff's call. You make the call on eight.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Sports Talk on your home of sport US Talks b LAS.
We dec I can't remember everything we said.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
We said twenty seven Sports or Car and News Talks
AB lines are open eight hundred and eighty ten eighteen.
I believe that over Carpety Rugby Union are quite in
their rights to do this, and I think it's a
great idea. Some people might consider it being a little
overkill on the fact that if someone transgresses and obviously
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they don't want to have to do this, And I
like the idea that putting this in place, people won't
behave like idiots on the side and or threaten people
and so on and so forth. But if it does
come to pass, and okay, we're going to stop seeing
your Rugby next weekend, no one's playing. It might be
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slightly over the top in that space, but as you
pointed out, and as our text has said, behavior you
walk past, the behavior you accept as the curator of
the game in that area is holding on them to
actually make these decisions to help keep the community game
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a safe place. And even though a lot of these
rogues had stand behind the tree and yell and scream
and threatened this and that probably wouldn't actually do it.
The effect on referees lines people who are they're volunteers,
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that they're doing for nothing. The meansful effect on them
is grossly unfair that they don't know that some guy
who screamed out I'm gonna stab you is going to
do it or not.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
Haunt them.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Why would they want to come back and play the game.
So it's fair and right that Rugby get in there
and do something about this, and I commend them, I
really do. Surprising it's taken so long to happen, but look,
someone's taking the ball by the horns, Darcy on my
bloody staunch on this and club and schoolboy Rugby. I'm
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surprise other parents don't stand up and tell these idiots
to pull their head AND's what happened here. Yeah, I
think there be a lot of people that do. And
if you experience this and club Rugby, let me know
how much the fans and the parents and the like
actually put a thumb on this and squash it out.
Does that happen? I'm presuming it does. But if it
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can't be self pleased, someone's gonna stand over top and go, look, no, no,
not on our watch. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty lines are open. Good evening ten.
Speaker 10 (21:22):
Oh, it's good to hear you. Darcy takes me back
to the radio sports days.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Oh, what's a while now? That's that's I started that. Gee,
I don't know twenty three, twenty four years ago.
Speaker 10 (21:33):
Thanks you and guy and man that there was a
good show back then. But anyways, it's good to your
voice any way, mate, what's just on this issue? And
want of for new a cup of y like I
totally agree with the CEO. I mean, we can't have
this in our game, rugby, football, whatever sport you play,
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it brings us together, you know, any persuasion in life,
people that have different political persuasions and the face you know,
foody brings us together, and it's quite disappointing to hear that.
I mean, rugby is the lifeline and these small towns.
I remember playing in the king Country and pretty much
everyone would get up on the weekend and they want
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to see their teams play. So to not have that
this weekend, you know, people need to pull their finger
out of there, you know where we want to.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Encourage them, to encourage people to actually find the people
who are doing this and say that not anymore. We're
not you affecting everybody now, not just one individual. Will
their community gather around and self police.
Speaker 10 (22:39):
Oh definitely, if I know, if you know rugby clubs
as well as I do, I mean it's they find
know their family, they bond together. And these fools that
are yelling from the sideline, why don't you put some
boots on me and have a go, or once you
do a course and try and become a referee. I mean,
these people are giving their time away from their families,
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away from their hobbies and away from people they love
to you know, referee a game that they love.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, they do it out of their heart. They don't
do it because they're getting a pay packet. They don't
have to do it, and I think that. I mean,
I have no experience, but when you look at being
a filthy west Auckland city slicker, it's probably not the
same community as you get when you go slightly more
rural and suddenly these rugby clubs really are the hub
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of the community from what I've heard. I don't know
that from experience, so in that you think that hub
would keep a reasonable handle on what's going on anywhere.
But the fact that the Union have come in and said, well,
we're backing you all up because this is unaccepted, I
think that shows a fantastic courage and dedication to the club,
to club rugby yep.
Speaker 10 (23:47):
And I think the CEO needs to be reported all
the administrators in the game in order to also just
in a statement from Union and he's in a rugby
league talking about the run it straight competition that they
don't condone it and that you should be in a
controlled environment and learn how to take the property and
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run properly. So that's cuteos to them too.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
When did that come out, that statement?
Speaker 10 (24:15):
I just seen it on Facebook about three or four
minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Right, Okay, yeah, I was asked last night, I managed
to get my mug on ABC Australian TV and they
asked about the involvement of in z R. It's like, well,
if I'm in zend R, I'm keeping right away from
it because you know you can't win and you're gonna
get dragged and if you start commenting on it, it
makes sense that they have to step away. And yeah,
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hey mate, Tim, thanks very much for your call. Things
reminding me of the good old days a back there
and Radio Ville.
Speaker 11 (24:48):
Jeff, Yeah, mate, all of us abusive nurse by people
on the sideline, and I was totally discussing I've been
involved with sports from on many aspects, rugby soccer et cetera,
et cetera, of coach junior soccer and tway and even
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the parents have been quite abusive at times. And if
I was we'reving a journey of game and this abusiveness
was going on, I would stop. I stopped the game
one time and I went over to this person and
I said, hey mate, we're here to have a game
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of soccer. We're not here to listen to your abusiveness.
If you don't like what you're saying, please go home.
I'm not interested.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
And most people do that, I'd suspect that they would
stand up. But there are some circumstances where the person
meeting out the abuse might be a big, scary, half
drunk guy. No one wants to go anywhere near them.
They're like, whoa, whoa. I don't want to engage in that,
because as soon as you do, suddenly you're asking for
trouble yourself. So the onus being on the side and
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the fans and the reef to do it. Sometimes it's
in a situation where like why would you? You just
don't want to, So that makes things very difficult, But
that's kind of play.
Speaker 11 (26:17):
You know, this one particular really bad time. You know,
when I stopped the game, you know, all the kids
were looking at each other, and I said, there's nothing
to worry about. We'll be back in a minute and
we'll get we'll get on with the game. And I
said to this, I said, to this guy, oh, mate,
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and his wife. That's right. There was feminine and his
wife there, and they were both rude and abusive. And
one of them told me that I that I wouldn't
make him way for his backside, and I said, yeah,
it was that right, mate. I said, well, we're all volunteers.
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And I said, and the kids there, the boys are,
and the girls here are here to have a game.
I said, and have a good game of soccer. So
I said, you know, if you're not happy, it's the
hell out of it might because I'll tell you what
I said. If you don't, I'll wring the police up.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And that is a good point, Jeff, because we had
come of text along that lines. And thanks very much
for your call from Experience at seven thirty six. Here's
one of them from gil Darcy. It's law enforcement which
needs to be acted on with these rugby supporter of
thugs dishing out threats. Track down the thugs and charge them.
And then it comes the issue of police time. We
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know that we haven't got enough officers on the ground.
We just we just haven't. So how much time do
you really want these people hunting around folk like that?
As opposed to it being you can't really self police,
can you? It is an issue. I feel sorry for
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people who do that in around about kind of way.
What's eating then? What's up hit them so much? What's
so horrible in their life that they're resorting to that.
Maybe I'm too kind pitying these people. Maybe not. In
seven thirty seven Sports Talk on that news Talk at
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Z be new idea in place for a carpety Rugby
Corey Kenneth's CEO George just just before is it going
to work? By punishing the entire rugby community if somebody
is horrid on the sideline with threats and abuse of
a carpety safe where find we're just going to shut
down Senior Club Rugby next weekend? Is that right? Is
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that fear? Will that work?
Speaker 8 (28:48):
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Speaker 12 (29:08):
This you know this.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
SportsTalk on newstalkz B. My name's Darcy Water to give hi, oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty lines are open into a
company making a good step As far as control of
the crowd. Do you get a bit lippy on the
sideline and they believe things aren't going their way? Whether
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it catches on, who knows. You'd like to think it
would if you text some this nineteen nineteen that is
z B z B. I prefer to hear your voice.
So eight hundred eighty ten eighty does he can the
clubs issue trespass notices to these idiots probably can't. But
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if you start affecting a whole community by calling off
games over a weekend, I think that is going to
be a whole lot more effective than a trespass notice
because suddenly, and I said before that clubs and unions
in smaller country areas, I expect they are a lot
(30:28):
more connected with everybody in the community, and everybody kind
of knows everybody else. I'm not talking about clubs, and
you know, I don't walk on bigs on christ it's
what they're probably a little less community orientated. That could
be wrong there too, right, But if it affects the
heart of the community and there's someone there doing it,
they're going to find out pretty fast from everybody else
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that's not acceptable. As opposed to just a trespass notice,
I think this involving the people that utilize your club
is a lot more effective than something as simple as
that or a fine. Brent Rights, we're volunteers and people
expect NRL standard and that's a great point, Brent. We
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expect NRL standing from the NRL, and we don't get
that either, do we.
Speaker 12 (31:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Another text says said, it's not just the supporters. The
coach got red carded twice for a team I played for,
and even once a game got called off and we
had to escort the ref to was gone.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
It's a game.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
It's a game, it's a game fun. And I've said
before that the majority of people playing any sport at
that level, they're not going anywhere. They're not going to
be a provincial reper national rep and international player. They're not.
They're playing for a bit of fitness, a bit of camaraderie.
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It's real shame that people take them so seriously. And
this of course there's someone doing a bit of a
bets that on the side, which would be awful, but
there you go. Barbara writes, good o mate. It'd be
fair to say that in reality in New Zealand rugby
really have ruined the community game with its overarching commitment
and focus and the All Blacks the expense of the
(32:20):
club game when players won't even play rugby anymore so
and no wonder there's no community spirit left in rugby.
It's up to the community to control that. The ins
are do what they do. They're right into their pyramid
and they put the All Blacks right at the very top,
and it's all trickle down from them. You know, trickle
down doesn't actually work, but it's all community. So don't
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worry about what the fish heads up the top are doing.
And to be fair, the people that inst are good,
decent people doing a good job. The heart's are on
the right places. That's all the people I've spoken to
an inst are anyway. I think guys like community Rugby
boss Steve Lancaster, they've got to make money somehow, right,
So the all blacks are at the top of the tree.
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But the community spirit left and rugby comes from the community.
This can't be I can't trickle down, can it from
the top. You must enjoy community rugby. Well no, if
we're not, we're not. We'll do it ourselves because it's
our game. Coming up tonight just after ten o'clock, just
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out of ten o'clock, a bit of a bit of
state of origin coming up next to be joined by
Kevin Campion. I think he's on a coach on the
way to sun Corp. This could be interesting. Kevin Campion,
(33:46):
Good Queensland. That joins us next here on we're talking Orangine.
Now we're joined by Kevin Campion, Kevin, what on earth
(34:10):
are you doing? I believe you've been well cajoled into
joining a whold of the Kiwis on a bus.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Nowe I know, I know, I'm sorry about the background noise,
but I tell you now, I am with one hundred
New Zealand Patrids and they've flown over from min to
ten New Zealand and I'm hosting them tonight at the
famous sun Court Stadium and I've got eighty percent of
them gay for at the moment. So I'm doing a yeah, yeah,
(34:40):
a good bust up with these guys and we're looking
forward to it.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
How many did you have to convert to the Maroon?
Were there plenty of New South Welshmen there yet?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Maybe out of one hundred, I've got eighty, so I've
got twenty left.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
It hasn't been hard good work on that. So I
suppose once you get the Sun Corp it's all focus
on on the game. And we know that sun Court
with the Maroons is quite the place, but it doesn't
always work out. Why then, doesn't such as the energy
of origin?
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Yeah it's a funny one, but you know, you know
obviously that the Blues had won last year's series. But
you know, I think I just think we've got the
edge tonight. And I know they were, you know where
obviously the underdog being Queenslanders, but we've just picked such
a good working forward pack and I really like you
(35:31):
and I'm so thank well that Tino was back in
the side. You know, he's a great leader and he's
he's played some great football at Publand. So yeah, look
really excited about how we're going to fash them up
in the forest tonight.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
That's fairly standard, isn't it For origin thing? As long
as I've been in this game. It's all the same thing.
Bash them up the front, see what happens? Is not
all the suddlers there?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Yeah, look, I think our forward pack would be disappointed,
but probably the last two games of last year's series.
You know, we got away with the first game in
the series, but by the third series we just looked
beaten and you know it was hard to take being
an ex Queenslander and you know, such a you know,
(36:15):
Queen's supporter, so it was very hard to take. And
I think they were a bit embarrassed the Queensland side
for Mars year. But you know, anything can happen tonight
and I just think I think we've just got the edge.
I think, you know, I think Dallly Cherry Evans will
play himself back in the form. He hasn't been playing good,
(36:35):
good footing at the pub level. Month's just been playing well,
Calum Ponders, you know, being you know, off a little
bit of club Land as well. But you know, I
love I love I love that Harry Green's been playing unbelievable,
unbelievable football and we've got Tommy Diedon coming off the bench,
(36:58):
so that he's just going to be the key to
I think that how that rotation will go, I'm not
I'm not sure, but it's going to be very ill.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Give you the tip, Kevin Campian, you're not a former
Queensland that you're a former Maroon. You'll always be a Queensland.
I believe you just said that made you Okay.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
From North queens and I grew up just loving Queensland.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
So I'm a Queensland, yes you are.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
More importantly, I'm a North queens Leator.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Okay. So talking about that team and about guys that
aren't quite informed generally, how realistic is the transfer of
form from club football to Origin football.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Well, it'll all depend on how I thought that goes.
And I think our whole forward packer in pretty good,
in pretty good form. Look, I think I think we've
we've picked a forward pack that have got big, you know,
big minutes in them, which you know all of them
could play eighty minutes. I think carry, especially Kerrigan and
(38:01):
Reuben Cotter. I think Tino has been playing some good
football with the Times you know that just come off
a good win as well.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
And Harry Grant like he's a key.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
To that forward pack, like his service from Tammie half
is has to be exceptional and not only for our
forwards but also yeah back to the outside back. So yeah,
it's going to be a great game. And yeah, more importantly,
I'm on a bus.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
With one hundred.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
New zeal And representatives from minor ten years Ealand and
I'm loving it.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Brilliant, Hey, look good Amongsteam.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
In particular, there's a great man name over in monor
ten years. His name is Tony Scott. I'm not sure
and look I'm not speaking in the school. He's a
bit of a learned thing. But if anyone needs anything
from minor ten New Zealand, Tony Scott.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
Is the person to Galan say, hear it from the
biggest names and sports and men have your sale sports,
your hole of sports and news talks at me.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Sorry, Tony, beyond my control. Kevin Campion there on a
bus load full of one hundred News Islanders on the
way to sun Corp. And in no way, shape or
form have I been given anything or promise anything by
that hardware company to put that on. That's all Kevin.
That's what he's doing. Expect he's getting paid a weabit
(39:29):
to do it. But I mean, you know I'd do
it for nothing. Do you want to come on a
bus drip a whole bunch of ye's, I'll give you
a game and yeah, absolutely, I'm I'm all over it.
Just after Teen's night that gets underway. Interesting thoughts around
Origin too. Andrew Webster, who is the head coach of
the Warriors, had this to say their recent media conference
(39:50):
around the positioning of Origin and the lack of time off.
Speaker 9 (39:57):
Yeah, I'd like I'd like to have chunks of rep
Footy New Zealand players Samoa Tonga will play in the
middle of the year. Why Origin's on with the Origin
and then just have a block where it's not interrupted.
I mean, we're actually not the most interrupted, so I'm.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Not I'm not complaining.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
In Origin's like one of my favorite things to watch,
but I'd love to see other countries be show pieced
throughout this time and we celebrate them instead of doing
it at the end of the year when the season's over.
I feel like everyone should be showcased they're talents right now.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I think.
Speaker 9 (40:30):
I feel like one of the reasons why we don't
is because of the English Super League, because it'd be
hard for them to come down and play. But I
don't see why we couldn't have England to Samoa, put
New Guinea fig all those teams play throughout this period
and get that content on television, because because what we're
doing right now is I mean, if you had tickets
to go watch Penrith play in Bathtist, you're watching five
(40:51):
of their best players not play, and you've just gone
and spend all that money and you're missing that. I
don't I don't see how that's fair. But I don't
know any other code in the world where you would
just rip out their best players to go to play for.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Someone else makes perks and to Andrew Webster, the head
coach of the Warriors, memo to builders, when there is
a press conference, could you just like not be in
that room? Just maybe just stand over there? It's only
twenty minutes. Really do you have to? Although ambient defect,
I suppose still on origin capable didn't get picked. Does
(41:29):
he still love it though? Does he origins?
Speaker 7 (41:32):
Obviously?
Speaker 13 (41:33):
Well for me and what I've been a part of,
probably the pinnacle of where I've been, that's been Grand
Finals too, So I just think the sun court playing
for Queensland. You know, there's no bigger feat than running
out in front of all those Queenslanders screaming their heads off,
and yeah, so that'll get them the win.
Speaker 9 (41:53):
Is there a small part of you?
Speaker 10 (41:55):
Obviously you're a pro Queenslander, but is there a small
part of you that sort of hopes to back for
the second row?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Kind of a little bit backfires tonight and then gets
you straight on the plane for games.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
No way, not one chance Q fifty.
Speaker 7 (42:07):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 13 (42:08):
Whoever's wearing the jersey doesn't really matter too much as
long as we get the win.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Don't I ask that question. He's lucky didn't get into
a headlock and choked out. But anyway, there you go.
It's what it is good to see that cable's following
the long and love tradition of Queensland League players who
don't like this too much neck action. I mean, they're everywhere,
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aren't they. As Miller said, she put up with me
and produced the program. Thank you so much for that.
Thanks tell y'all for listening, for calling, for texting. Thank
you again. Tomorrow from seven you're on News Talks EPN.
Speaker 12 (42:45):
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I'm Darcy, Hi, how are you come on sport from
now through ten eight o'clock tonight. Toward to the end
of the program, we'll catch up with Kevin Campion. He's
(00:53):
on a bus with one hundred Kiwis on the way
to sun Court. Hell. I've got no idea, but they
that's where he is. We'll be chatting to him at all.
I'd say around about quarter two ten to eight. Of course,
there is no prouder Queenslander North Queenslander, get that one right, Darcy,
than Kevin Campion, who'll talk to us about origin tonight.
(01:17):
The action is back on again, but we're going to
get things going by having a yarn with a bloke
by the name of Corey Kennett. Corey is the chief
executive of Hoopur Carpety Rugby Union and they've come up
with a cunning plan to stop senior club rugby the
(01:37):
following weekend. If people behave like asses on the sideline,
any referee threats. Any abuse of it's too much of
it reaches a thresholder light. That's fine, we're going We're
gonna shut the whole shop and mash down the next week.
Brave too far, not far enough? We'll talk with Corey
about that shortly after that, we'll take your calls on
(01:59):
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do we need to
go this week? Do we need to go this far?
Is this going to work? Should we applaud this? As
I said? Is it too much? Is it not enough?
Plainly it's an issue and hot for company decided to
stand up and do something about it. Fantastic. We'll be
joined by Corey up next that. They take your calls
(02:20):
after that. But before we do any of that, let's
do a whole lot of this today. For today, Flurry
Daily has reeled and Craig Bellamy to help with New
South Wales and Tonight's origin. Why there's nothing to see here,
says Laza, even though four of Bellamy Storm players are
sitting up for Queensland. No nothing to see here now.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I didn't get him on board to come up with
game plans. That's what we're here for, and we'll do
strengths and weaknesses of the opposition. But Craig is all
about us coaches and making sure we are prepared as
best we possibly.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Can be made. He's there. You can say all you want.
He's there, right, we can't. It doesn't matter. The Crusaders there.
They're giving Skipper David Heavili a break. Coach Robert Penny
explains this is the last round of competition against the
Brombies this weekend. Coach Rob Penn's Penny explains how that
came to pass. Came off early last week. He's pretty
(03:17):
knocked up.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
He's had a massive campaign and the opportunity to hopefully
given him a week freshen up and to give Levi
some minutes.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, but to be fair, there's actually nothing on the
line except the myth of momentum because both Sada's and
the Brumby's have got home semis next week regardless. So
you go in New Zealand Gold Sleeperstar leader co won't
lose sleep if she doesn't achieve a career Grand Slam
by adding the US Open to her swag. Incidentally, I
(03:45):
didn't realize this. There are five LPGA Majors and because
the fifth one is kind of only relatively new. They
don't count there. You only have to pick up four
of them to call a career. Grand's eye. Anyway, she's
not gonna lose sleep.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
I don't think I'm gonna wake up from my slip
and go I never won. You know, I'm obviously very
proud of the things that have happened, and you know,
I would be over the moon, especially like this week,
to come off with a trophy.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, over the moon at your career, say you're out
of the universe, You've gone, You've disappeared. It's wow, so good.
And the Pacers are standing on the casp for the
NBA Finals. They went three went up today in the
best of seven semi series against the New York next
the Indiana Pieces.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I won one away from the NBA Finals.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And when a team outs a three to one lead,
there have been very few that have dug out of
that hole. And he's just put the markers on the
nice work, that commentator, And.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
That's sport today.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Today's story around the hod of for Newa Karpitdy rugby
Union and their decision to hold all teams accountable if
there's trouble at mill on the sideline, tired of referee abuse.
Tired of that. They said, you know what, if it
happens again, and if it's enough, We're going to shut
down the whole senior club Rugby the next weekend. Wow
(05:12):
to talk about that. We are now joined by the
chief executive of Hotrofanua Carpet. He looking forward to chatting
to you. I tell you his name is Corey Kennedy
joins us now, good evening. Corey made a bit of
news with your idea or your line in the sand
around basically kicking the entire senior comp to touch if
(05:35):
there's any trouble on the sidelines, referee abuse and the
like as well. I'm presuming that this has been welcomed
with open arms by favor on concerned.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Isn't it funny Sometimes through a negative situation you get
some real positive outcomes. And the overwhelming positive out of
this is this is a whole of rugby community approach.
So we have at one hundred percent unanimous support from
all sectors, all our member clubs, all our affiliated associations,
(06:04):
the h CARE, a few Board CARE, a few Rugby
Committee for No Company, Rugby Referees Association, so everybody is
operating under the same co Pappa. We just we just
we can't keep tolerating this crap.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So what triggered it? What was there one that finally
pushed the domino.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
So we've had initiatives in place, and we've dealt out
some pretty hifty sanctions in the past and suspensions. But
two weeks ago or two weekends ago, we had a
referee that was struck in the foot with a piece
of field equipment, and then later on there was a
threat that a referee would be stabbed. And you get
(06:44):
that across your desk.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I suppose your reaction straight away would be and how's
the referee like that? Wow?
Speaker 7 (06:53):
You know that these these good buggers, these volunteers, these
guys and girls give up their time, their time away
from their farno. Some of them take days off work
so that this this whole community event can happen. We've
got We've got We've got volunteers, refs that will give up,
that will officiate over three games. I'll leave home at
(07:14):
maybe nine am in the morning, come back at six
and the very reality, the very real reality is they
might get abused at all three Now, some of these
are low level items of abuse, and in some ways
they've become adapted being able to handle that. But when
you're saying crap like that, I'm going to stab you
or what ones in the past, good luck getting home,
(07:37):
that sort of bollocks, you've got to stand up. And
as we've said, for us, we operate under the mantra
that the standard you walk past is the standard you accept,
and we don't accept this.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
When the referee came to you with that story, how
was he I'm presuming she quite shaken up or except
the fact that's me or what was their initial response
to this coy?
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Yeah, you know what was really sad to hear and
the complaints is a statement from young guys saying I'll
never felt so broken and never more did I want
to just take off my rest jersey, throat on the
ground and go home. And that's that's that's a son,
that's a husband, that's a father, and it's just horrendous.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Look what we would say is all of.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
The provincial unions in New Zealand, they've been working hard
on this for a long time. We're not unique and
in fact, when we look at some of the grotesque
events that have happened up and down the country. We're
far from the worst, but we've got to be prepared
to do something. Kiwis are so inherently obsessed with performance,
with winning that cup, that shield, that title. Well, let's
(08:43):
smack them where it hurts. Let's say to them, if
you're going to continue to do this crap, then we're
going to come back at you, so that you stand
up and you listen, and you self police, you peer review,
and you say to each other when you hear someone
saying that that's not that's not good enough, we're not
going to accept that.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So that situation was the trigger. But it's been getting
loaded for a long long time, hasn't it. And you
would have been carrying us for ages. And I'm presuming
from what you're saying before, Corey, that you've been talking
to other unions and they're not alone, but you've actually
finding gone. You know what, here's my line in the sands,
so big for you guys. So where does the point
(09:22):
start when it comes to the possibility of stopping Club
Senior Club rugby for an entire weekend. You've got you've
got levels of abuse. How do you actually start that
ball rolling? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (09:33):
You know, the first thing is having open, honest and
respectful communication with the Referees Association. So for us incredibly
thankful that they're completely on board. They themselves have released
the statement that they're very thankful that they've been involved
in the whole process. So we liaise with them around
(09:53):
severity of abuse, and so as we've said, if we
get this serious, the most serious replicated, we're also undertaking
and we have we always to a whole heap of
an issues to address the lower level abuse, so that
because we're not naive, we're not going to get rid
of it. You know, rugby is a game, it's itself,
(10:15):
it's just a mirror of society, and we've seen the
degrading of respect in society. And because they come to
a rugby we can't expect them to be completely different society.
But we want to keep instilling and upholding those values
that set rugby apart. So we really aise with the refs.
(10:36):
We're in constant communication with them how their people are,
and then will assess situations on a case by case basis,
but being prepared to pull the trigger as soon as
we need to.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So something occurs mid weekend and does that affect the
following weekend or a weekend further or the current weekend,
if you work that put that in place, what the
system is?
Speaker 7 (11:00):
Yeah, yeah, so we already have systems in place. River
Is already have systems in place that again can be
stopped at me idiately and and I can't remember the
last time that has happened, but it has happened. And
so if abuse is so horrendous and it's not controlled,
then that game can be stopped and called off immediately.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
So we've had that. What about the whole round though,
you're saying you just call a whole round off and
that doesn't affect that people at the time. That's everybody.
So that's the following weekend, and what kind of steps
have to go through in order for you to rub
a stamp there?
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Yeah, so it will be the following week in for
the cancelation for all of rugby, and so for us
we go through the steps once again. What makes it
pleasing in a way is we've got all of our
member clubs Referees Association on board, So we'll be calling
a meeting straight after the weekend that has happened, and
then the very next round will be canceled and postponed
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and player another time and that weekend coming, you know,
gives us an opportunity for people to maybe just resonate
with with thinking about.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
What has happened.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
We recognize that, yes, there are going to be some
people that have done nothing wrong that have been affected,
but it's just it's great to see once again that
all of those people are behind this initiative. So we
go through the process with the Reef's Association, the HKF,
you Board, the member clubs, and then we'll implement it
once again. That does Our strong hope is that this
doesn't need to happen, and we've already had some amazing
(12:24):
messages of support and the reach has been far cross codes.
Fantastic email from Football this morning about how they're going
to utilize some of the initiatives. We've talked about some
of the messaging messaging overnight from referees associations in the
UK applauding the stance and offering support for our referees,
(12:46):
great support from other pus from nz ARE. Look, you know,
it's one of those things that if we have to
pull the trigger, we will.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You mentioned nz ARE how complicit a they been in
this all. How much of you involved them in this
proceed I do have to, Oh, look.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
They've been great dus. You know they're always offering support
as soon as we've had the U shoe. Rugby is
a relatively small community and they were quick to offer
support and guidance. So the engine r have been really
good in this space, as have other pus offering support
and ideas sharing as well around positive initiatives happening after
(13:26):
after the weekend of the worst abuse. So we have
we get support around injet documenting what has happened, their
help around trying to assist all the referees, but education
and being able to work with these people that feel
(13:46):
that they have some some right, some justification to come
along and deliver this this diatribe, this vitoriol of of
bs AT volunteers. That's that's the biggest one.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And you did a lot of consultation. Is it likely
that more clubs, more associations, more unions are going to
climb into what you're doing and take a leaf out
of your book.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
We hope. So when you when you get people that
are coming along, they're obviously keen to come along and
to watch the event, right so when we say to them,
your actions are going to help to trigger an action
that means this event won't take place. You know, we
see we got member clubs that are all our member
clubs are doing fantastic work and already dealing with sideline
(14:32):
supporters not behaving as they should and not living up
to those virtues and the values that we talk about
in rugby. But we just got to understand that if
we have to keep working, we have to keep striving,
and if pus other pus want to join on and
replicate what we're doing, we'd be more than happy to help.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And Corey one last thing, there's always going to be
a segment of society clubs and the like that push
back something like this. Have you had any pushback at
all from anybody?
Speaker 7 (15:03):
No? No, no, I look that's my doors always open.
A lot of these people are cowards. They want to
yell from the shadows or from a keyboard. They can
come and have a chat with me at any time.
But we've had nothing but positive support and it's just amazing.
Probably the only thing I would say is is people
saying we need to go harder, which is which is great, right,
(15:25):
But all you're going to do is think about if
this is your if this is your your wife, your son,
your son, your daughter coppying this sort of abuse after
they're doing community service. Yeah, you going to stand by?
Are you going to do something? Are you going to
call that person out? Or are you going to fade
(15:46):
into the shadows?
Speaker 8 (15:47):
You know?
Speaker 7 (15:47):
And we just need people to understand it's a whole
community approach. And when we get that happening, I'm inherently
positive in my belief that that will help the situation.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
No need for the DMO. We've got the breakdown on
Sports Talk.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
News.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
It's Corey Kenned. He's the chief executive of Hotophoneur Carpety
Rugby decided that enoughs enough, here's our line in the sand.
You cross that, We're going to affect a whole lot
of other people, not just your team, not just you,
whole round. I'm trusting that. Corey said. There was no pushback. Ever,
(16:30):
I loved her. Maybe if people said he could go harder.
Texts says, well said behavior, you walk past his behavior,
you accept war. New Zealanders need that as a mancha.
Yeah maybe, Mike, thanks very much for your text, but
your course of one hundred and eighty ten eighty. This
is right right, this is going to work. Would your
(16:53):
club deal? Would your region like to see this happening?
Is it a Is it an overreaction? I'd suggest that
it isn't because plainly I'm not running hotop the carpety rugby.
I don't know. But if you've got a situation where
the constant narrative is one of abuse threats, it's beholding
(17:18):
on you as the chief executive, to do something, and
by the sounds of Corey, then it's not like they've
come up with an idea and rubber stamped it. They've
talked to everybody. Talk to the clubs and the players
and the fans and the referees, and the unions and
the other unions. Are everyone possible? They need to canvas
the whole community because it is a community game. Let's
(17:39):
not forget that. It's not all about making a pile
of money as an All Blacks actually a community game
that most people know ever achieve. Those dizzying heights of
all that representations were play cob with the mates, right,
So they decide, Okay, we're gonna put a foot down.
Here's our line in the sand. Good on you. Some
may suggest it might be a little too much. I
(18:00):
don't know. It's a bit like you push me enough,
I'm going to turn around and knock you out. But
you get pushed enough, you're like, I can't do this anymore?
Will this work? Is this right? Have they gone far enough?
It's twenty four minutes after seven. This is sports Talking
on New Stalks EB.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
No, forget the riff's call. You make the call on eight.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Sports Talk on your home of sport US Talks b LAS.
We dec I can't remember everything we said.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
We said twenty seven Sports or Car and News Talks
AB lines are open eight hundred and eighty ten eighteen.
I believe that over Carpety Rugby Union are quite in
their rights to do this, and I think it's a
great idea. Some people might consider it being a little
overkill on the fact that if someone transgresses and obviously
(19:04):
they don't want to have to do this, And I
like the idea that putting this in place, people won't
behave like idiots on the side and or threaten people
and so on and so forth. But if it does
come to pass, and okay, we're going to stop seeing
your Rugby next weekend, no one's playing. It might be
(19:24):
slightly over the top in that space, but as you
pointed out, and as our text has said, behavior you
walk past, the behavior you accept as the curator of
the game in that area is holding on them to
actually make these decisions to help keep the community game
(19:47):
a safe place. And even though a lot of these
rogues had stand behind the tree and yell and scream
and threatened this and that probably wouldn't actually do it.
The effect on referees lines people who are they're volunteers,
(20:10):
that they're doing for nothing. The meansful effect on them
is grossly unfair that they don't know that some guy
who screamed out I'm gonna stab you is going to
do it or not.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
Haunt them.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Why would they want to come back and play the game.
So it's fair and right that Rugby get in there
and do something about this, and I commend them, I
really do. Surprising it's taken so long to happen, but look,
someone's taking the ball by the horns, Darcy on my
bloody staunch on this and club and schoolboy Rugby. I'm
(20:45):
surprise other parents don't stand up and tell these idiots
to pull their head AND's what happened here. Yeah, I
think there be a lot of people that do. And
if you experience this and club Rugby, let me know
how much the fans and the parents and the like
actually put a thumb on this and squash it out.
Does that happen? I'm presuming it does. But if it
(21:08):
can't be self pleased, someone's gonna stand over top and go, look, no, no,
not on our watch. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty lines are open. Good evening ten.
Speaker 10 (21:22):
Oh, it's good to hear you. Darcy takes me back
to the radio sports days.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Oh, what's a while now? That's that's I started that. Gee,
I don't know twenty three, twenty four years ago.
Speaker 10 (21:33):
Thanks you and guy and man that there was a
good show back then. But anyways, it's good to your
voice any way, mate, what's just on this issue? And
want of for new a cup of y like I
totally agree with the CEO. I mean, we can't have
this in our game, rugby, football, whatever sport you play,
(21:54):
it brings us together, you know, any persuasion in life,
people that have different political persuasions and the face you know,
foody brings us together, and it's quite disappointing to hear that.
I mean, rugby is the lifeline and these small towns.
I remember playing in the king Country and pretty much
everyone would get up on the weekend and they want
(22:15):
to see their teams play. So to not have that
this weekend, you know, people need to pull their finger
out of there, you know where we want to.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Encourage them, to encourage people to actually find the people
who are doing this and say that not anymore. We're
not you affecting everybody now, not just one individual. Will
their community gather around and self police.
Speaker 10 (22:39):
Oh definitely, if I know, if you know rugby clubs
as well as I do, I mean it's they find
know their family, they bond together. And these fools that
are yelling from the sideline, why don't you put some
boots on me and have a go, or once you
do a course and try and become a referee. I mean,
these people are giving their time away from their families,
(22:59):
away from their hobbies and away from people they love
to you know, referee a game that they love.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, they do it out of their heart. They don't
do it because they're getting a pay packet. They don't
have to do it, and I think that. I mean,
I have no experience, but when you look at being
a filthy west Auckland city slicker, it's probably not the
same community as you get when you go slightly more
rural and suddenly these rugby clubs really are the hub
(23:27):
of the community from what I've heard. I don't know
that from experience, so in that you think that hub
would keep a reasonable handle on what's going on anywhere.
But the fact that the Union have come in and said, well,
we're backing you all up because this is unaccepted, I
think that shows a fantastic courage and dedication to the club,
to club rugby yep.
Speaker 10 (23:47):
And I think the CEO needs to be reported all
the administrators in the game in order to also just
in a statement from Union and he's in a rugby
league talking about the run it straight competition that they
don't condone it and that you should be in a
controlled environment and learn how to take the property and
(24:09):
run properly. So that's cuteos to them too.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
When did that come out, that statement?
Speaker 10 (24:15):
I just seen it on Facebook about three or four
minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Right, Okay, yeah, I was asked last night, I managed
to get my mug on ABC Australian TV and they
asked about the involvement of in z R. It's like, well,
if I'm in zend R, I'm keeping right away from
it because you know you can't win and you're gonna
get dragged and if you start commenting on it, it
makes sense that they have to step away. And yeah,
(24:39):
hey mate, Tim, thanks very much for your call. Things
reminding me of the good old days a back there
and Radio Ville.
Speaker 11 (24:48):
Jeff, Yeah, mate, all of us abusive nurse by people
on the sideline, and I was totally discussing I've been
involved with sports from on many aspects, rugby soccer et cetera,
et cetera, of coach junior soccer and tway and even
(25:12):
the parents have been quite abusive at times. And if
I was we'reving a journey of game and this abusiveness
was going on, I would stop. I stopped the game
one time and I went over to this person and
I said, hey mate, we're here to have a game
(25:35):
of soccer. We're not here to listen to your abusiveness.
If you don't like what you're saying, please go home.
I'm not interested.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
And most people do that, I'd suspect that they would
stand up. But there are some circumstances where the person
meeting out the abuse might be a big, scary, half
drunk guy. No one wants to go anywhere near them.
They're like, whoa, whoa. I don't want to engage in that,
because as soon as you do, suddenly you're asking for
trouble yourself. So the onus being on the side and
(26:06):
the fans and the reef to do it. Sometimes it's
in a situation where like why would you? You just
don't want to, So that makes things very difficult, But
that's kind of play.
Speaker 11 (26:17):
You know, this one particular really bad time. You know,
when I stopped the game, you know, all the kids
were looking at each other, and I said, there's nothing
to worry about. We'll be back in a minute and
we'll get we'll get on with the game. And I
said to this, I said, to this guy, oh, mate,
(26:39):
and his wife. That's right. There was feminine and his
wife there, and they were both rude and abusive. And
one of them told me that I that I wouldn't
make him way for his backside, and I said, yeah,
it was that right, mate. I said, well, we're all volunteers.
(27:00):
And I said, and the kids there, the boys are,
and the girls here are here to have a game.
I said, and have a good game of soccer. So
I said, you know, if you're not happy, it's the
hell out of it might because I'll tell you what
I said. If you don't, I'll wring the police up.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And that is a good point, Jeff, because we had
come of text along that lines. And thanks very much
for your call from Experience at seven thirty six. Here's
one of them from gil Darcy. It's law enforcement which
needs to be acted on with these rugby supporter of
thugs dishing out threats. Track down the thugs and charge them.
And then it comes the issue of police time. We
(27:40):
know that we haven't got enough officers on the ground.
We just we just haven't. So how much time do
you really want these people hunting around folk like that?
As opposed to it being you can't really self police,
can you? It is an issue. I feel sorry for
(28:02):
people who do that in around about kind of way.
What's eating then? What's up hit them so much? What's
so horrible in their life that they're resorting to that.
Maybe I'm too kind pitying these people. Maybe not. In
seven thirty seven Sports Talk on that news Talk at
(28:23):
Z be new idea in place for a carpety Rugby
Corey Kenneth's CEO George just just before is it going
to work? By punishing the entire rugby community if somebody
is horrid on the sideline with threats and abuse of
a carpety safe where find we're just going to shut
down Senior Club Rugby next weekend? Is that right? Is
(28:46):
that fear? Will that work?
Speaker 8 (28:48):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty This is News Talks seventeen seven.
Speaker 12 (29:08):
This you know this.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
SportsTalk on newstalkz B. My name's Darcy Water to give hi, oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty lines are open into a
company making a good step As far as control of
the crowd. Do you get a bit lippy on the
sideline and they believe things aren't going their way? Whether
(29:41):
it catches on, who knows. You'd like to think it
would if you text some this nineteen nineteen that is
z B z B. I prefer to hear your voice.
So eight hundred eighty ten eighty does he can the
clubs issue trespass notices to these idiots probably can't. But
(30:07):
if you start affecting a whole community by calling off
games over a weekend, I think that is going to
be a whole lot more effective than a trespass notice
because suddenly, and I said before that clubs and unions
in smaller country areas, I expect they are a lot
(30:28):
more connected with everybody in the community, and everybody kind
of knows everybody else. I'm not talking about clubs, and
you know, I don't walk on bigs on christ it's
what they're probably a little less community orientated. That could
be wrong there too, right, But if it affects the
heart of the community and there's someone there doing it,
they're going to find out pretty fast from everybody else
(30:50):
that's not acceptable. As opposed to just a trespass notice,
I think this involving the people that utilize your club
is a lot more effective than something as simple as
that or a fine. Brent Rights, we're volunteers and people
expect NRL standard and that's a great point, Brent. We
(31:13):
expect NRL standing from the NRL, and we don't get
that either, do we.
Speaker 12 (31:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Another text says said, it's not just the supporters. The
coach got red carded twice for a team I played for,
and even once a game got called off and we
had to escort the ref to was gone.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
It's a game.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
It's a game, it's a game fun. And I've said
before that the majority of people playing any sport at
that level, they're not going anywhere. They're not going to
be a provincial reper national rep and international player. They're not.
They're playing for a bit of fitness, a bit of camaraderie.
(31:59):
It's real shame that people take them so seriously. And
this of course there's someone doing a bit of a
bets that on the side, which would be awful, but
there you go. Barbara writes, good o mate. It'd be
fair to say that in reality in New Zealand rugby
really have ruined the community game with its overarching commitment
and focus and the All Blacks the expense of the
(32:20):
club game when players won't even play rugby anymore so
and no wonder there's no community spirit left in rugby.
It's up to the community to control that. The ins
are do what they do. They're right into their pyramid
and they put the All Blacks right at the very top,
and it's all trickle down from them. You know, trickle
down doesn't actually work, but it's all community. So don't
(32:41):
worry about what the fish heads up the top are doing.
And to be fair, the people that inst are good,
decent people doing a good job. The heart's are on
the right places. That's all the people I've spoken to
an inst are anyway. I think guys like community Rugby
boss Steve Lancaster, they've got to make money somehow, right,
So the all blacks are at the top of the tree.
(33:03):
But the community spirit left and rugby comes from the community.
This can't be I can't trickle down, can it from
the top. You must enjoy community rugby. Well no, if
we're not, we're not. We'll do it ourselves because it's
our game. Coming up tonight just after ten o'clock, just
(33:26):
out of ten o'clock, a bit of a bit of
state of origin coming up next to be joined by
Kevin Campion. I think he's on a coach on the
way to sun Corp. This could be interesting. Kevin Campion,
(33:46):
Good Queensland. That joins us next here on we're talking Orangine.
Now we're joined by Kevin Campion, Kevin, what on earth
(34:10):
are you doing? I believe you've been well cajoled into
joining a whold of the Kiwis on a bus.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Nowe I know, I know, I'm sorry about the background noise,
but I tell you now, I am with one hundred
New Zealand Patrids and they've flown over from min to
ten New Zealand and I'm hosting them tonight at the
famous sun Court Stadium and I've got eighty percent of
them gay for at the moment. So I'm doing a yeah, yeah,
(34:40):
a good bust up with these guys and we're looking
forward to it.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
How many did you have to convert to the Maroon?
Were there plenty of New South Welshmen there yet?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Maybe out of one hundred, I've got eighty, so I've
got twenty left.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
It hasn't been hard good work on that. So I
suppose once you get the Sun Corp it's all focus
on on the game. And we know that sun Court
with the Maroons is quite the place, but it doesn't
always work out. Why then, doesn't such as the energy
of origin?
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Yeah it's a funny one, but you know, you know
obviously that the Blues had won last year's series. But
you know, I think I just think we've got the
edge tonight. And I know they were, you know where
obviously the underdog being Queenslanders, but we've just picked such
a good working forward pack and I really like you
(35:31):
and I'm so thank well that Tino was back in
the side. You know, he's a great leader and he's
he's played some great football at Publand. So yeah, look
really excited about how we're going to fash them up
in the forest tonight.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
That's fairly standard, isn't it For origin thing? As long
as I've been in this game. It's all the same thing.
Bash them up the front, see what happens? Is not
all the suddlers there?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Yeah, look, I think our forward pack would be disappointed,
but probably the last two games of last year's series.
You know, we got away with the first game in
the series, but by the third series we just looked
beaten and you know it was hard to take being
an ex Queenslander and you know, such a you know,
(36:15):
Queen's supporter, so it was very hard to take. And
I think they were a bit embarrassed the Queensland side
for Mars year. But you know, anything can happen tonight
and I just think I think we've just got the edge.
I think, you know, I think Dallly Cherry Evans will
play himself back in the form. He hasn't been playing good,
(36:35):
good footing at the pub level. Month's just been playing well,
Calum Ponders, you know, being you know, off a little
bit of club Land as well. But you know, I
love I love I love that Harry Green's been playing unbelievable,
unbelievable football and we've got Tommy Diedon coming off the bench,
(36:58):
so that he's just going to be the key to
I think that how that rotation will go, I'm not
I'm not sure, but it's going to be very ill.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Give you the tip, Kevin Campian, you're not a former
Queensland that you're a former Maroon. You'll always be a Queensland.
I believe you just said that made you Okay.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
From North queens and I grew up just loving Queensland.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
So I'm a Queensland, yes you are.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
More importantly, I'm a North queens Leator.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Okay. So talking about that team and about guys that
aren't quite informed generally, how realistic is the transfer of
form from club football to Origin football.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Well, it'll all depend on how I thought that goes.
And I think our whole forward packer in pretty good,
in pretty good form. Look, I think I think we've
we've picked a forward pack that have got big, you know,
big minutes in them, which you know all of them
could play eighty minutes. I think carry, especially Kerrigan and
(38:01):
Reuben Cotter. I think Tino has been playing some good
football with the Times you know that just come off
a good win as well.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
And Harry Grant like he's a key.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
To that forward pack, like his service from Tammie half
is has to be exceptional and not only for our
forwards but also yeah back to the outside back. So yeah,
it's going to be a great game. And yeah, more importantly,
I'm on a bus.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
With one hundred.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
New zeal And representatives from minor ten years Ealand and
I'm loving it.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Brilliant, Hey, look good Amongsteam.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
In particular, there's a great man name over in monor
ten years. His name is Tony Scott. I'm not sure
and look I'm not speaking in the school. He's a
bit of a learned thing. But if anyone needs anything
from minor ten New Zealand, Tony Scott.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
Is the person to Galan say, hear it from the
biggest names and sports and men have your sale sports,
your hole of sports and news talks at me.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Sorry, Tony, beyond my control. Kevin Campion there on a
bus load full of one hundred News Islanders on the
way to sun Corp. And in no way, shape or
form have I been given anything or promise anything by
that hardware company to put that on. That's all Kevin.
That's what he's doing. Expect he's getting paid a weabit
(39:29):
to do it. But I mean, you know I'd do
it for nothing. Do you want to come on a
bus drip a whole bunch of ye's, I'll give you
a game and yeah, absolutely, I'm I'm all over it.
Just after Teen's night that gets underway. Interesting thoughts around
Origin too. Andrew Webster, who is the head coach of
the Warriors, had this to say their recent media conference
(39:50):
around the positioning of Origin and the lack of time off.
Speaker 9 (39:57):
Yeah, I'd like I'd like to have chunks of rep
Footy New Zealand players Samoa Tonga will play in the
middle of the year. Why Origin's on with the Origin
and then just have a block where it's not interrupted.
I mean, we're actually not the most interrupted, so I'm.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Not I'm not complaining.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
In Origin's like one of my favorite things to watch,
but I'd love to see other countries be show pieced
throughout this time and we celebrate them instead of doing
it at the end of the year when the season's over.
I feel like everyone should be showcased they're talents right now.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I think.
Speaker 9 (40:30):
I feel like one of the reasons why we don't
is because of the English Super League, because it'd be
hard for them to come down and play. But I
don't see why we couldn't have England to Samoa, put
New Guinea fig all those teams play throughout this period
and get that content on television, because because what we're
doing right now is I mean, if you had tickets
to go watch Penrith play in Bathtist, you're watching five
(40:51):
of their best players not play, and you've just gone
and spend all that money and you're missing that. I
don't I don't see how that's fair. But I don't
know any other code in the world where you would
just rip out their best players to go to play for.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Someone else makes perks and to Andrew Webster, the head
coach of the Warriors, memo to builders, when there is
a press conference, could you just like not be in
that room? Just maybe just stand over there? It's only
twenty minutes. Really do you have to? Although ambient defect,
I suppose still on origin capable didn't get picked. Does
(41:29):
he still love it though? Does he origins?
Speaker 7 (41:32):
Obviously?
Speaker 13 (41:33):
Well for me and what I've been a part of,
probably the pinnacle of where I've been, that's been Grand
Finals too, So I just think the sun court playing
for Queensland. You know, there's no bigger feat than running
out in front of all those Queenslanders screaming their heads off,
and yeah, so that'll get them the win.
Speaker 9 (41:53):
Is there a small part of you?
Speaker 10 (41:55):
Obviously you're a pro Queenslander, but is there a small
part of you that sort of hopes to back for
the second row?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Kind of a little bit backfires tonight and then gets
you straight on the plane for games.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
No way, not one chance Q fifty.
Speaker 7 (42:07):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 13 (42:08):
Whoever's wearing the jersey doesn't really matter too much as
long as we get the win.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Don't I ask that question. He's lucky didn't get into
a headlock and choked out. But anyway, there you go.
It's what it is good to see that cable's following
the long and love tradition of Queensland League players who
don't like this too much neck action. I mean, they're everywhere,
(42:32):
aren't they. As Miller said, she put up with me
and produced the program. Thank you so much for that.
Thanks tell y'all for listening, for calling, for texting. Thank
you again. Tomorrow from seven you're on News Talks EPN.
Speaker 12 (42:45):
He comes right for.
Speaker 6 (42:55):
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