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Former Maroons coach Sir Graham Lowe on whether the NRL should take a break while Origin is on.
Origin talkback.
Crusaders outside back Chay Fihaki ahead of their match against the Brumbies.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
There we go again, Welcome on to sports Talk. Hello,
my name is Darcy seven After seven hour Thursday night,
twenty ninth of May twenty twenty five, sports Talk. We're
doing exactly that from now through until eight o'clock. We're
gonna talk spot. When I say we, I mean myself,
Sir Graham Lowe, and Schaffee hackey, Oh you guys as
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oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighties that I'm gonna
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standard text charge does apply. With that, We're going to
talk about the head coach of the Warriors and the
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comments he made yesterday before Origin around the positioning of
state of origin and Webster talking about it's the only
competition in the world that my words, not his, essentially
cannibalizes its own product to provide another product. It is
very strange, and it's been like this since the dawn
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of time. While the last thirty forty years anyway, does
he have a point. The landscape has changed tremendously since
Origin first burst onto the scene. The game's changed. No
longer is there any expectation that you punch someone in
the face every ten minutes? I actually frown on that,
believe it or not. But is the game's change Origins changed,
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Its meaning has changed. So is there now genuinely a
feeling that there needs to be a separate window for
Origin and in that separate window other players that aren't
associated with New South Wales or Queens saying have a
go at providing entertainment for the masses, not under the
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guys of Maroons or Blues. Makes sense someone who knows
a wee bit about that here, I say, a whole
lot more than I will. Sir Graham has probably forgotten
more about rugby league than I know. But he joins
us shortly. We're going to get hold of him from
a bastel somewhere in Brisbane. Is over there watching just
a good move. He was over there watching Origin last night.
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Blue mcclennan was over there as well. That's what they understandably.
So he'll joined us and then we'll take your calls
on the relevance on the situation on where it sits
lots to talk about on that and then Chafe Hockey
I joined us on the peace save of course is
a outside back for the Crusaders and for Canterbury who
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touched on an all black jersey last he didn't get one,
but it's very very close and they've got a game
coming up this weekend in stop right there edinbur Camera
there you go, Australian Capital Territories against the That's where
that Burrew came from. And the odd thing about them.
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The odd thing about this game is it actually doesn't
matter who wins, it means nothing. And the wider scale
of the competition they're both going to go through to
the most semi finals. So what do you do? What's
your attitude going into that? Find out from Chaylader on
the piece. It is ten past seven. It's a sports
book on news Talks EB and that was premature, but
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this is right on time we kick the goal. I
don't apologize. I don't know how an earth ants you
pre empt what I'm going to say when I'm going
to say it, and if I'm going to stop may
it's a roulette. Well, let's look at sports today. Rugby
Goliath Blue Skipper Patrick two he Plotu has ink the
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deal to carry on playing his trade in New Zealand,
the Colossal Locke and the All Black since fourteen BC
sorry twenty fourteen. Loves the love he gets from the
Blues as a more mature player.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Bang up at the moment, but I'm well looked after
here and I think in terms of good will with
the medical and coaches, that was a big part of
signing on. There's an understanding there that body's not as
young as it used to be, but in terms of
getting the best out of me, and that was part
of the equation.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, it's the oldest it's ever been, but the youngest
it'll ever be. Simultaneously troding as cat. Anyone looking up
to a teammate figuratively and literally is all part of
being Eli Bird's teammate. Martina Salmon, who shares the goalshoop
bib of the am Z Premiership's tallest player, isn't fighting
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Bird for the bid. She's just using the opportunity to
better herself.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
It's so cool for me to be able to learn
off her and just pick off her brain. She's got
so much to give and I think it's just really
awesome to have someone like her in the shooting end.
But yeah, she's great and I just love watching her
out there. I think she's just such a big target
for us and which is really cool and just offer
something different.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Kurt capble Wire's utility, I suppose, and Ring and Skipper
isn't all that filthy on not getting the call up
for Queens and in Origin last night.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Oh, it's always something you want to be a part
of whenever you hit the chance to pull that jersey on.
But I still had a job to do it the Warrior,
so my plate was pretty full. Still. Yeah, bro, after
last night's pie fight, you might well get the call up.
Don't put it past them. Then, Desperate Straits and the
Thunder had opened up a candon what by us on
the Timberwolves Oklahoma City sat Minnesota down on the Western
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Conference Finals series MVP with the Shay Hill just Alexander
told ESPN, D have been to some dark places in
order to see the light of the NBA Finals a
couple of years. I got here, and there's some really
dark times in this arena, not fun times. And these
fans have been by her side through second then, so
we appreciate them first and foremost, and that's sport today,
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talk about the league and why not. Sir Graham Lowe
joins us now from from a leaner near Eagle Farm
race Track after enjoying last night's Origin match.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
Yeah that's right, mate, Actually I am. I'm in Racecourse
Road in Brisbane and just enjoying the company of some
good friends and just talking a little bit about Origin.
And I can tell you there's a very somber mood
amongst the whole area really because I think most would
agree and be prepared to accept it. Queensland didn't serve
up what people were hoping they would.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Sir, but they kind of didn't even arrive. Or is
that too harsh? I mean, from my untrained eyes, I
thought that these guys just don't to me look like
they have the wherewithal to penetrate. It was very odd,
especially when you consider the spine they had grown.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
Well, and I think you know, one of the one
of the things that probably slipped the attention of a
lot of people is there was a number of Queensland
players chosen who've come from sides ordinary footy. So if
you're in that situation, there it's hard to turn It's
hard to get a game like Origin to turnery.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
You really need.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Players in top form coming in coming into those sort
of games, and I think Queensland selectors were guilty of,
you know, not abiding to that. The Queensland has got
this thing pick and stick, and I've got to say
that I've sort of been part of that philosophy as
well when I was coaching. But you know, there was
some glaring things. I suppose that will be really uncomfortable
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for the coach and the selectors at the moment when
they do an analysis of what actually happened.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Before we talk about the origin and where it lies
and how other people can be involved in that period
that aren't being able to represent Queensland or New South Wales.
Any major changes of you in your way? Where would
you look at? Where the points of concern for this
Queensland side.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
I thought the big point of concern was just a
whole I won't say attitude, but the whole look of it.
It's hard to put it down to one or two players,
but obviously the captain and the half back has come on.
There are a lot of criticism rightly wrongly, but I
mean he's played at such a high standard all his career.
He didn't he didn't have one of those games last night.
So I suppose the hard question is, you know, should
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he be replaced with someone else or do you know,
hope that his experience and his way to steer a
good team around is going to come to the four
in the second game. So it's a big call for
the for the coach and for the selectors to make
because next games do it die, They've got to do it.
And I just I can't see those players you've played
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last night rising to the next level. I just I
can't see them. You know, they might be able to
if they rise up, like you can be damn sure
New South Wales is going to improve as well, because
New South Wales will wave belover that their best.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I'd be locked into watch. But it's in Perth. It's
in the middle of the goddamn night over here. So
so Graham Low joined us game. Interesting calls made it
happens quite a lot. Andrew Webs the Warriors coaches today
talking about Origin talking about he doesn't know any other
competition in the world that in essence cannibalizes its own competition.
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For another competition in the middle of it. The way
it's positioned, it is an ideal for the NRL. Is
he right? Does it need to move? Do things need
to change? Do you think?
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I think they are the words of a coach, is
the boss of one of the best teams in the competition,
and that they're the sort of comments I would make
advise them as well, because you want to protect your players.
But I think Andrew Rays is a really valid point.
But when you look at it, that's actually been part
of the mystique of the whole series, you know, it
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was it was always known that it was going to
interfere with certain clubs and whatnot during the year. What
was unknown at that particular time. And I'm not trying
to say I was a smarter smarter us or anything,
but I can remember not too long ago, having actually
when I was when I was CEO at Manly, I
can remember having a conversation or at one of the
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CEO meetings and telling them I thought they were going
to be in for a fall soon because half the
competition would be made up of Pacific Heritage players and
because Kiwi Heritage players. And they all laughed at me
and I don't think they'll be laughing now. I think
if they had a close look at.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
It, the landscapes changed dramatically. Back in the early days
when Origin started, it really was the best of the best.
But that's not the case anymore. You'd say half the
best players in the nr OW now pacifica or New Zealanders.
So you're still getting something everyone wants to watch. Of that,
there is no doubt. But is it really the pinnacle
like people think it is.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
It is, but I think you've got it's not. It's
never said it's the best of the best. It's the
best of the Australian players. You know, guys like Mark
Graham right back when it first started. You know, he
was as good as any any of the players playing
on Origin then, but he wasn't an Australian. And that's
that's the point of the whole thing that we've We've
got to keep in mind. So it was while back
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in the early days it was seen in some way
as a little bit of a trial for the Australian team,
that whole test landscape has changed now, and like you
rightly pointed out, the whole landscape of the competition has
changed so I think Andrew Webs has got a really
fair and valid point. But on the other side of things,
the mystique of State of Origin and the attraction and
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appeal it has is because it is there to disturb
everything and has done that so well since its inception.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
If there was a desire a wan to need across
the other league playing nations to actually put a standalone
competition and have a space when Origin was being played,
that basically you hit paws on it. You had Origin,
you had an international window. How well would the NRL
cope with that, because they're not exactly known for caring
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about other league playing nations, are they Would they even move,
would they wiggle? Would they give it any room at
all to breathe?
Speaker 6 (12:05):
I think again does good point, And to be fair
on the NRL, I think the NRL would would look
at well, we'll look at some stage at a like
a representative period in which there is a pause for
the n R rounds. I can see that happening. But
at the end of the day, it all depends on
what the media rights come to and what the media
wants when they do that. When they do the next
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media rights, which is another two years, or whatever it is.
Whatever they want is what will happen, because they're the
ones that are putting billions into it.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Well that's suppose they the golden rules, aren't they They've
got the gold they're making the rules. Well you look
to England and the likelihood of them in their summer
touring over here for something that's productive that big. Will
that be enough? Do you think to beckon over here.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
To do this?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Because it's completely the wrong way around for them, But
if it did actually happen an international window, you think
they'd buy in.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Who cares what the pomps thing mat.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Aout the window because we rugby league say of Origin
and it always trumpeted this is the sea, this is
what we want to watch, and International rugby league doesn't
really get a fair sack of the save and constantly
has been tried to make it more relevant. With something
like this actually put international league up in a different space.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
I think it go part of the way to ask
you to do it, but really, at the end of
the day, for whatever reason, State of Origin has created
it's its own special brand, its only uniqueness, it's its
own folklore, and unfortunately International rugby league play second field
to it with it. No matter how much we want
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country against country to be the pinnacle and all reality
in our game of rugby league, that's not the case
because it's state of origin that's the pinnacle, and whether
we're not like it or not, that's how it is.
So I do think, as I mentioned before, that there
will be a window that they'll play origin and maybe
maybe test football if they can get an agreement around
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you know, around the to with Great Britain and others.
But in the meantime, it's just gonna it's just going
to suck it. You've got to suck it up and
keep going the way it is now.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Deal with it, right, It's been around for a long
long time. It doesn't look like it's going anywhere. Although
based on the quality of last night's game, well you
know they'll come back. They really will. The last few
years have been brilliant. This was just a bit of
a copybook blot, wasn't it.
Speaker 8 (14:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
Well, and I think that that's again the mystique of it,
because this sort of thing has happened so many times.
You know, one side's looking very dominant and then the
other side, against all odds, has come back and live
in the series up again, and you know, we just
got to keep our fingers cross it that this happens again.
But in the meantime, the men with the weight of
the world on their shoulders as Billy Slater and his
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and his selectors, because you know, they gambled on a
few players going into this first game, and the players
with fantastic credentials, you know, credentials that are barely matched
by any other player in the game. But still many
of them were out of form and they're out of fall.
But it's a hard call that's going to be made,
and I'm just glad I don't have to bag it.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I'd say that's good because you're over there. But you
had nothing to do with you, you said, Alena, having yourself
a nice glass of red and you can talk and look,
but you have to make no decisions at all. You
deserve that happy space. You've been hit done. That's a
graham Low, always a pleasure. You look after yourself and
travel safe.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
I'll tell you what, Darcia, I watched that watch that
game last night. I had these opinions on what should
be happening. I didn't make one single mistake.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
The right call is your call eighty eighty Sports Talk
call on your home of Sports Use Talks. It'd be.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Super good words there from Sir Graham low around Origin.
It makes really valid points about what origin actually is
and what it means. And there's a suggestion almost there
that it's none of our business. We'll do what they
want to do and we just have to deal with
it either way.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It's made some really good points around it. The fact
that the NRL basically chop in, they cannibalize their own
competition to provide another competition to buy its same cherry,
not a big enough cherry, And it affects what happens
in the NRL proper, doesn't it. The alreays have opportunity
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when they don't lose as many playing staff to actually
go on a tear during that period. They don't always
do it, to be fair, but they had the opportunity.
So it creates an imbalance within the NRL itself. Obviously,
the NRL don't care, and as well pointed out by
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Graham Lowe, whoever's paying for the broadcast rights has ultimate
control over what happens. But as I've gone to great
pains to point out, Previously, back when Origin started, the
RL wasn't dominated by Kiwis or Pacifica it is now
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when we come to the Origin period, you kind of
got to sit out and have a break and you're
not getting to see the best players in Origin because
it's not the best players in Origin. It's the best
Australian players in the NRL playing in Origin. So should
there be and this's my question to you, should there
be and this has been talked about from the dawn
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of time? Should there be a separation? Should they hit
pause on the NRL during Origin and set up another
competition that puts the game of league at the forefront
of people who don't just follow Queensland and New South Wales.
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Might be completely wrong on this. There may be zero
appetite for them. They feel free. You want to ring
through eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and say, bro's
nothing wrong with this. We we like the way this
is set up. It detracts from international rugby league. I
don't think in National rugby League does itself any favors,
but this probably doesn't help. Is there a want for change?
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Is change required? In your eyes? I'd love to see it.
I don't have much faith in the international game to
organize it. But I think he makes a good point
and it is needed. Origin is different to what Origin
was move at the times. This is news Talk's eb
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Speaker 1 (18:51):
You no need for the DMO. We've got the breakdown
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Speaker 2 (19:08):
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Darcy thanks for her He is lines a raben I
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty change required for the
State of Origin format, for the placement of the state
of Origin, for something to replace for the players who
are not tied up with New South Wales and Queensland
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to display their wares on the league stage while Origin
is going on, or you're quite happy with the cannibalization
of the NRL Regular series added behest of the people
that want to see Origin dominate eight hundred eighty ten
eighty lines are open to go lyle.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Mate listen, nothing's really going to change because you know
it's a bit of the Australian footballers and the Origin.
Well no, I'll probably about half or possibly more of
what ran out on the field last night, or if
we're playing in the end of the year for Tonga
and Samoa. So if you say all right, we'll have
a test window, New Zealand can pay Tonger and Someamha.
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The people that stump up the money and these guys
are getting thirty thousand dollars each a game, they're going
to say, no, we want the best players to be
playing Origin, i e. The Pacific Island players. So at
tests aaries say New Zealand versus Tonga at the same
time or Samoa, you're going to get B grades some
more or no disrespect for B grade Samoan and Tongan's
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because the bros are going to go with the money
and good on them at thirty thousand dollars each. And
of course the people that pay for the Origin and
stump up the big money, they want the best of
what they can get their hands on. Because Samora and
tong are both being Tier two, they can play Origin.
You know, if you sit to the Samoan boys, okay,
you can play test football against New Zealand for Samoa
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or you can play Origin. You may get one or
two that will go with the New Zealand option. But
at thirty thousand dollars each, you know they're going to go, We'll.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
You're be insane. Wouldn't you turn that down? You don't
know how long your career is it in a heart
beat you do that. It's the nature of the law.
But with the NRL lovel is it fair and right
that the NRL gets a bit punched and sliced during
the origin period at the expense of state of origin,
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that that dominates and everyone else sits to one side?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Is that.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Good?
Speaker 7 (21:35):
No, David, I'll give you a little bit of a
history lesson. Right when it first came out of origin,
the New South Wales clubs Fort Hammer and tom not
to release their players back to Queens and it was
all sorts of bullshit for wants of a better word,
either can't. But of course then momentum took over, it
became what it became, and the public and the sponsors
demanded know they be available. So now they go, yeah, okay,
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they don't argue the point, but at the end of
the year, what happens when New Zealand or some want
their better players for test matches. Suddenly these guys are
going to have operations. So if you can get the
new sorry Australian public on board and the sponsors, you
may be able to figure something out. But at the moment,
top of the pile is Origin. But it is only
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that because they select so many Tier two players from
Samata and Tom. If you only selected the Australian boys,
now you'd have a lot less a product. And there's
simply the sponsors won't stump that. I've heard Gordon tell
Us saying no, no, you play Origin, you should play
for Australia. Great guy that he is, and they disrespect
to Gordon, but well he's kidding himself if he thinks
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that's going to ever happen.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Well, they wouldn't have quality players to choose, would they.
They simply wouldn't have it, And so it wouldn't it
be a lesser product as it is? Could you argue
it is a lesser product without New Zealanders involved, Without
some British.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
And plenty of plenty of key, we would be good
enough to play Origin. And it's a few poms. But
of course it's like over here in Australia we like
to manipulate things, i e. Police forces and I'll always
find a way of getting around it made of living
this contany half of the life. And let's just put
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it this way. Kerry Clark's a band of merry men
only become as good over here as what they were
because the new South Wales and Queensland police forces could
be bought. It's just the Stewart said, for the price.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
This is way over my head now to my realm
lyle police politics. Government can't do that, just stick the sport.
A big question for you and you're watching and you're
a fan, but does he need to be some kind
of change to make international lead more relevant? Can that happen?
You're saying pretty much, No.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
I can, but you'd have to get everyone to buy
into it. And the clubs play the big money for
the playoffs, and all they're concerned with is a good
off season, making sure they're fit enough yeah to play
next season of the club. That's why international rugby leagues does.
He's never ground unlike it's kind of rugby. As much
as I love the game, too many people with power
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and matter self or that they're only worried about how
their club's traveling and nothing else.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And you suggest that the nerl are interested in their
product and they really couldn't give that much. Say different,
but they couldn't give two hoots about the international game
because that doesn't generate them anything. All it does is
bust their players up. So to circle the wave.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
Don't because they have to, and.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I don't think they enjoy doing it. Well, thanks very
much for your call. Don't be a stranger, but leave
the police force out of it. Twenty five minutes to
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and eighty ten eighty So are that a text pull
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things for this? You should bring through and expand on
a bit more. Why does one hundred percent wrong The
island players in origin would choose to play for their
country and four fit the money originally as someone or
tongue and Jersey means more to them than an annoying
origin jersey one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
But.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
They're getting paid. You lean into that, don't you, as
opposed to look maybe I'm wrong. So you look at
some areas and you're seeing this in rugby and sometimes
in league where players actually know I want to play
for the land of my forefathers is not really interested
in everything else? Kind of cool. This is news talk
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Z dep b it's sports talk, so the positioning of
Origin doesn't need to change to open up, so there
can be more of a display of the game of
rugby league. It's unencumbered by the NRL at the same time. Yeah, nah,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty lines up open, so
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Speaker 1 (26:20):
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Speaker 2 (26:24):
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Speaker 5 (26:27):
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Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
It was you texted right and then I said please
ring and you did. I like an agreeable call, I got, mate.
How are you?
Speaker 7 (26:54):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Good things do?
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (26:55):
This whole eligibility Origin international things have been a bug
beer in mine for quite a while now, and this
one regards to Lyle's call. Now, the Origin players have
paid thirty thousand dollars per game, so if they played
three games, it's not ninety thousand dollars. Now, the NRL
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don't want. They're probably they're vehemently against some are on
Tonga becoming Key one nations because if they do, they
know that the likes of Crichton, even paying hess Now
or these Island superstars would choose, would would play for
some are over and that would make them ineligible for Origin.
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And if those those guys have even come and said,
I think it was Taur who said he would forfeit,
you know, the money to represent playing for your their
heritage far outweighs Queensland, the Queensland, Jersey or not, despite
all the hype and all the and all the you know,
all the vehetorics that they're going on about the passion
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playing for their heritage or their families far outweighs you know,
thirty thousand dollars. So I've got no doubt that they
would choose it over there the origin.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
So as it stands right now, though you I might
have the wrong edd of the stick on this one,
I can't know at all, and people who listening to
me regularly know that I don't. But the way the
eligibility law works right now is PACIFICA players can play
in the State of Origin series and represent their own
country provided that is a Tier two nation and that's
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what they're running on at the moment. So it becomes
Tier one, suddenly you lose some of their best players.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
That's right, and we all know what was happened to
the product. If that happened, that the origin to me
when I was grown up watching Origin, and it was
always a trial for the kangaroos, you know, to go
on the Ashes Tour or whatever. It was always you know,
it was always Brick Kenny up against Wally Lewis, you know,
to see who would start at number six or number
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seven and go on the Kangaroo Tour. That that's the
way it was and that's why it should always be.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Its starts like nineteen eighty, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 9 (29:05):
Yeah, it started well, Queensland were playing against New South
Wales competition well before that, but they were getting beaten up.
And then I think what happened was they decided to
have this series and when went out to beat Arthur Beatson,
you know, I think it was ninety and eighty or
something like that. You and that that's basically when it
was born, and it was always a trial. It was
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like a probable, you know, to get into the Kangaroos.
And now it's just become it's like the nral A
having your cake and eat it too. Then what the superstars?
And I think it's upset a lot of people over
there because it should be a trial for the Kangaroos.
You know, you've got players that from Toland, Samoa, Fi,
GP and G and so, you know playing in the
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state of Origin. They don't want to play for the Kangaroos.
And I think what you're finding now does is even
Caln Pong. I think you'll find this is his last
Origin series. I think that he'll yeah, after the series
is done, he'll forfeit the ninety thousand dollars and say
I want to play for New Zealand, so he will
be eligible for Origin and anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
And sorry, what do you want that they cannibalize their
own competition for another competition, Like they kind of sweep
the inn rout to one side for for this strike.
Quite odd.
Speaker 9 (30:19):
Yeah, And to be honest, I see I the last.
Speaker 10 (30:25):
Last Last Notes.
Speaker 9 (30:25):
Game was you know, it was a very who Hume game,
the best games that I remember with a very close games,
you know, you know, down to the wire.
Speaker 10 (30:34):
But now it's just become. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
I know it's a huge product and it's the biggest
rating TV show in Australia and so on. But yeah,
I just you know, as Kiwi's you know, international football
is ol pinnacle. That's our number one.
Speaker 10 (30:51):
That's what we want.
Speaker 9 (30:52):
You know that, that's the way it should be made.
That's international fully deserves to be at the top of
the pyramid.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah. But the thing is the Australians and and Paul
as always thanks so much for your call. They're they're
the whip hand in this and they're going to run
with whatever they get the most money out of it.
An international league, Greg, Greg Peter's ere listening, give us
a call. I had one hundred eighty ten eighty. What
can you do about this? We want that to be
International should be the pinnacle, and it kind of is
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the World Cup every now and then, but it just doesn't.
Whereas League and the State of Origin a bit like
Sale GP versus the America's Cup. Sale GP is regularly
on regularly on I'm like the America's Cup and that's
what it's getting big today, Sean, how are you?
Speaker 10 (31:44):
I see? Good evening. It's a pleasure to talk to
you fascinating subject. I work for a transnational company. I've
lived in Australia for a number of years. I'm over
here in New Zealand now last decade.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Welcome home.
Speaker 10 (31:55):
Well, yes, I'm a Kiwi, but I go back some
forths to Australia Oregon side in eighty two and it
morphed from there. I when I was working in Sydney.
There are now third generation Mari and third generation Pacifica.
It's hard to say are they from the country of
their origin that Sydney will soon overtake Augham as the
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largest specific nation outside the Pacific, you know, and you've
got Simons and Tonglands, New Ayans and the irony is
there as many that do want to play for their
home nation. Many consider themselves Australia. Australia has a great,
in my opinion, amalgamation system of bringing you one together.
I think he's also struggling with that. The radicals and
(32:38):
left don't want that to happen, but they do a
better job of it. The good clubs in the NRL,
like Penriville, I've had a rough start for season.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Canterbury's there's an understatement insure.
Speaker 10 (32:49):
They've got good development sites. Peneris under twenties are doing
very well. The teams that tend to be at the
top of the table even during origin still maintain their
place because their development teams do well. That's what Phil
Gul was trying to overhere, which carried on and our coaching.
The stuff they got now are carrying them on. And
for the first time in twenty five years, we've got
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a proper develop a real hardcore development program, which is
which is why the worries about having a better, in
my opinion, a better legacy going forward. So and the
rail is schizophrenic. They want to have the competition strong,
but they want to promote international sports. And I've tried
to do it in France with a couple of competitions.
(33:30):
I try I put league teams or the rugby teams
in the same towns, and leon hasn't worked. It's a
it's a real mind beinger, this thing Las Vegas. It's
a great showcase. But the Americans got so many sports
to choose from, but they couldn't kill less. It's NBA,
it's American football, baseball, they love. Hockey league is never
going to break and IP rugby which is very strong
on the colleges. Now we've really conquered that that that
(33:51):
that amateur American market. I think league's got a thirty
year you need to even get scratched there. But you know,
I don't think any er old clubs suffer. But but
I hear what you're saying. There we some smars and
tongs that want to play for their home nation. But
it won't be as many as think. There's medic can
see themselves, Ossie. I'll work with a guy over who
is Tom and Sydney. He called himself on OSSI that's
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what he was. He didn't he didn't identify the same
way Pacific could do here, Menechael. I don't know what
put it down to, but that that's the impression.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Well, it's each it's individual families, individual people. That's what
they feel and who they are, and people are quite
entitled to label themselves whatever they want, represent where they want.
We're got to go, Sean because I've got JV. Hackey
joining us. Sure we're going to run out of time.
Thanks so much for calling. Don't be a stranger, mate,
Love to be back on again. This is News Talks
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AB it's up fifteen minutes to eight. Sheik ch chaffee huck.
He joins the program. Next, it's been a long day now,
really it has. Like it started at midnight. It's still
going might be awake for the whole time. It's been
a long day. This is News Talks EB think you
(35:02):
in t D us talk to be Let's talk some
super duper rugby now and we go across the oct
(35:25):
So we're joined by Shafe Hackey as we look ahead
of their game, Bromby's taking on at the Crusaders tomorrow night.
And Shade joins us. Now say, how's life treating you
over in the Australian Capital territories and treating you well?
Speaker 8 (35:40):
Yeah, that's awesome weather here in the capitol and a
little bit chilly in the morning, but nice day.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
You live in Christis. You can't complain about it being
cold in the morning. You'd only know that too, well,
wouldn't you.
Speaker 8 (35:54):
Yeah, obviously I think is a nice hot place, but
obviously not right here in the capital.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So doing it well, you've got well, you've got a
big game, haven't you tomorrow night? I say big. But
in the general wash up, you're all guaranteed semi final positions.
You're all going to qualify and go through. I'm talking
of course the Chiefs, yourselves and the Brumbies. What does
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that bring to the game or take from the game
you think without that extra jeopardy added in.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
Oh, it's obviously nice knowing that we've got extra week
for next week, but still a game and we were
fully appeared to yeah coming in and win, and still
obviously it's still preparing like a game. So yeah, looking
forward to all the boys are ready to go and yeah,
(36:53):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
You'd be fairly fizzing after what happened last week actually
having to watch that that was tight. We know you
can't right the Highlanders off, but you think you be
a little antsy, a little passy even about what happened
last week. What's the the general feeling the theory been
around what went well? You won, but what didn't quite
(37:17):
work for you all?
Speaker 8 (37:20):
Yeah, obviously it wasn't on the field, but yeah, we
knew that the Highlanders were going to so everything at us.
Obviously it's a big game for Highlanders and Crusaders. Yeah,
we were expecting that. Things obviously didn't go away, but
obviously happy with the learned. We'll take it learn any
(37:41):
of the other leaks. Yeah, just sactly you get.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
You get chanced back and again say to play and
you only want to play? And are you looking forward
to national representation because you have been looked at by
Scott robertson who you've Yeah, I'm sure you know because
you were of melve last year. You got dragged into
the squad, didn't you. That gave you a takes to
(38:06):
or a teaser to possibilities.
Speaker 8 (38:10):
Yeah. I was got a little test of it last year.
But at the moment I just want to, yeah, be
well for this team and if we get the results
they were they were looking for obviously to get to
the finals and stuff. But yeah, best things first is
as you played well for the Crusaders and be a
(38:30):
good teammate.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, you've signed to the end of next to you
to stay with Canterbury and to stay with the Crusaders.
Beyond that, you don't know ideally you'd like to go
on longer you and negotiations at all? Where does that
sit as far as your commitment? And he's in on
Rugby Live show.
Speaker 8 (38:53):
Yeah, I haven't really thought that far ahead, obviously thinking
they're thinking it year by years and have really thought
that far. I just hit the handle handle itself with
obviously the way I pay for the next for this year,
next year, So you're not really looking too far ahead.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
It wasn't a great year last year. There's an understatement
for the Crusaders. The coach Rob Penny was retained, which
was which is a good move in my opinion. It's
plainly working for you. What you can see where you're standing,
what's changed dramatically between last season and this season.
Speaker 8 (39:34):
Yeah, obviously a lot of learning from last year, and
I think the Boys just obviously took that on board.
And yeah, really now the off season and our connections
of the team and where we want to get to
this year. So yeah, we're proud of the Boys' efforts
(39:55):
this year and turning it around. And yeah, we're obviously
looking forward to the game this weekend. And yeah, of.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Course your own personal development and now you've come through
the stages because you're an AWKND boy, aren't you shut
off down to Canterbury and you've set up camp down there.
But the help of Rob Penny for your development playing
at that level, how instrumental has he been to get
you to the stage where you get plucked to, you know,
(40:26):
go and join the squad for a bit. So something's working.
What's he done specifically, Rob Penny, He's.
Speaker 8 (40:33):
Just he's just let me be myself obviously, and yeah
that's kind of what makes me perform and what makes
me feel comfortable in this team. So it's just, yeah,
just made me feel a lot more comfortable in the team.
And yeah, that's pretty much the main one that that
(40:58):
he's obviously brought into teams for me espersonally.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, forget the riffs call.
Speaker 10 (41:04):
You make a call.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Sports Talk on your home of sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
It be Ay Shay Hacky. There a man who may
have a position within the All Blacks. We will see
got dragged in last year through injury, and a few
people will scratching their heads, going, wow, it's maybe because
he wears a red and black jersey. I don't know
if there's any truth in that. It's quite the player
seems to be improving and now that the Crusaders are improving,
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applying tomorrow night, it's the brummies. It's the late game.
Doesn't matter who wins, really, you know what you want
out of this game, not momentum, no injury, no injuries,
no injury, no injuries, and it's middle Sitch. Thanks for
producing the program. Thanks to all out there for listening,
for texting, for calling them, Darcy Waterergrave Good evening.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
There we go again, Welcome on to sports Talk. Hello,
my name is Darcy seven After seven hour Thursday night,
twenty ninth of May twenty twenty five, sports Talk. We're
doing exactly that from now through until eight o'clock. We're
gonna talk spot. When I say we, I mean myself,
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standard text charge does apply. With that, We're going to
talk about the head coach of the Warriors and the
(00:58):
comments he made yesterday before Origin around the positioning of
state of origin and Webster talking about it's the only
competition in the world that my words, not his, essentially
cannibalizes its own product to provide another product. It is
very strange, and it's been like this since the dawn
(01:21):
of time. While the last thirty forty years anyway, does
he have a point. The landscape has changed tremendously since
Origin first burst onto the scene. The game's changed. No
longer is there any expectation that you punch someone in
the face every ten minutes? I actually frown on that,
believe it or not. But is the game's change Origins changed,
(01:42):
Its meaning has changed. So is there now genuinely a
feeling that there needs to be a separate window for
Origin and in that separate window other players that aren't
associated with New South Wales or Queens saying have a
go at providing entertainment for the masses, not under the
(02:06):
guys of Maroons or Blues. Makes sense someone who knows
a wee bit about that here, I say, a whole
lot more than I will. Sir Graham has probably forgotten
more about rugby league than I know. But he joins
us shortly. We're going to get hold of him from
a bastel somewhere in Brisbane. Is over there watching just
a good move. He was over there watching Origin last night.
(02:30):
Blue mcclennan was over there as well. That's what they understandably.
So he'll joined us and then we'll take your calls
on the relevance on the situation on where it sits
lots to talk about on that and then Chafe Hockey
I joined us on the peace save of course is
a outside back for the Crusaders and for Canterbury who
(02:51):
touched on an all black jersey last he didn't get one,
but it's very very close and they've got a game
coming up this weekend in stop right there edinbur Camera
there you go, Australian Capital Territories against the That's where
that Burrew came from. And the odd thing about them.
(03:12):
The odd thing about this game is it actually doesn't
matter who wins, it means nothing. And the wider scale
of the competition they're both going to go through to
the most semi finals. So what do you do? What's
your attitude going into that? Find out from Chaylader on
the piece. It is ten past seven. It's a sports
book on news Talks EB and that was premature, but
(03:35):
this is right on time we kick the goal. I
don't apologize. I don't know how an earth ants you
pre empt what I'm going to say when I'm going
to say it, and if I'm going to stop may
it's a roulette. Well, let's look at sports today. Rugby
Goliath Blue Skipper Patrick two he Plotu has ink the
(03:58):
deal to carry on playing his trade in New Zealand,
the Colossal Locke and the All Black since fourteen BC
sorry twenty fourteen. Loves the love he gets from the
Blues as a more mature player.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Bang up at the moment, but I'm well looked after
here and I think in terms of good will with
the medical and coaches, that was a big part of
signing on. There's an understanding there that body's not as
young as it used to be, but in terms of
getting the best out of me, and that was part
of the equation.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, it's the oldest it's ever been, but the youngest
it'll ever be. Simultaneously troding as cat. Anyone looking up
to a teammate figuratively and literally is all part of
being Eli Bird's teammate. Martina Salmon, who shares the goalshoop
bib of the am Z Premiership's tallest player, isn't fighting
(04:52):
Bird for the bid. She's just using the opportunity to
better herself.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
It's so cool for me to be able to learn
off her and just pick off her brain. She's got
so much to give and I think it's just really
awesome to have someone like her in the shooting end.
But yeah, she's great and I just love watching her
out there. I think she's just such a big target
for us and which is really cool and just offer
something different.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Kurt capble Wire's utility, I suppose, and Ring and Skipper
isn't all that filthy on not getting the call up
for Queens and in Origin last night.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Oh, it's always something you want to be a part
of whenever you hit the chance to pull that jersey on.
But I still had a job to do it the Warrior,
so my plate was pretty full. Still. Yeah, bro, after
last night's pie fight, you might well get the call up.
Don't put it past them. Then, Desperate Straits and the
Thunder had opened up a candon what by us on
the Timberwolves Oklahoma City sat Minnesota down on the Western
(05:41):
Conference Finals series MVP with the Shay Hill just Alexander
told ESPN, D have been to some dark places in
order to see the light of the NBA Finals a
couple of years. I got here, and there's some really
dark times in this arena, not fun times. And these
fans have been by her side through second then, so
we appreciate them first and foremost, and that's sport today,
(06:06):
talk about the league and why not. Sir Graham Lowe
joins us now from from a leaner near Eagle Farm
race Track after enjoying last night's Origin match.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
Yeah that's right, mate, Actually I am. I'm in Racecourse
Road in Brisbane and just enjoying the company of some
good friends and just talking a little bit about Origin.
And I can tell you there's a very somber mood
amongst the whole area really because I think most would
agree and be prepared to accept it. Queensland didn't serve
up what people were hoping they would.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Sir, but they kind of didn't even arrive. Or is
that too harsh? I mean, from my untrained eyes, I
thought that these guys just don't to me look like
they have the wherewithal to penetrate. It was very odd,
especially when you consider the spine they had grown.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
Well, and I think you know, one of the one
of the things that probably slipped the attention of a
lot of people is there was a number of Queensland
players chosen who've come from sides ordinary footy. So if
you're in that situation, there it's hard to turn It's
hard to get a game like Origin to turnery.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
You really need.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Players in top form coming in coming into those sort
of games, and I think Queensland selectors were guilty of,
you know, not abiding to that. The Queensland has got
this thing pick and stick, and I've got to say
that I've sort of been part of that philosophy as
well when I was coaching. But you know, there was
some glaring things. I suppose that will be really uncomfortable
(07:35):
for the coach and the selectors at the moment when
they do an analysis of what actually happened.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Before we talk about the origin and where it lies
and how other people can be involved in that period
that aren't being able to represent Queensland or New South Wales.
Any major changes of you in your way? Where would
you look at? Where the points of concern for this
Queensland side.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
I thought the big point of concern was just a
whole I won't say attitude, but the whole look of it.
It's hard to put it down to one or two players,
but obviously the captain and the half back has come on.
There are a lot of criticism rightly wrongly, but I
mean he's played at such a high standard all his career.
He didn't he didn't have one of those games last night.
So I suppose the hard question is, you know, should
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he be replaced with someone else or do you know,
hope that his experience and his way to steer a
good team around is going to come to the four
in the second game. So it's a big call for
the for the coach and for the selectors to make
because next games do it die, They've got to do it.
And I just I can't see those players you've played
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last night rising to the next level. I just I
can't see them. You know, they might be able to
if they rise up, like you can be damn sure
New South Wales is going to improve as well, because
New South Wales will wave belover that their best.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I'd be locked into watch. But it's in Perth. It's
in the middle of the goddamn night over here. So
so Graham Low joined us game. Interesting calls made it
happens quite a lot. Andrew Webs the Warriors coaches today
talking about Origin talking about he doesn't know any other
competition in the world that in essence cannibalizes its own competition.
(09:14):
For another competition in the middle of it. The way
it's positioned, it is an ideal for the NRL. Is
he right? Does it need to move? Do things need
to change? Do you think?
Speaker 6 (09:27):
I think they are the words of a coach, is
the boss of one of the best teams in the competition,
and that they're the sort of comments I would make
advise them as well, because you want to protect your players.
But I think Andrew Rays is a really valid point.
But when you look at it, that's actually been part
of the mystique of the whole series, you know, it
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was it was always known that it was going to
interfere with certain clubs and whatnot during the year. What
was unknown at that particular time. And I'm not trying
to say I was a smarter smarter us or anything,
but I can remember not too long ago, having actually
when I was when I was CEO at Manly, I
can remember having a conversation or at one of the
(10:09):
CEO meetings and telling them I thought they were going
to be in for a fall soon because half the
competition would be made up of Pacific Heritage players and
because Kiwi Heritage players. And they all laughed at me
and I don't think they'll be laughing now. I think
if they had a close look at.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
It, the landscapes changed dramatically. Back in the early days
when Origin started, it really was the best of the best.
But that's not the case anymore. You'd say half the
best players in the nr OW now pacifica or New Zealanders.
So you're still getting something everyone wants to watch. Of that,
there is no doubt. But is it really the pinnacle
like people think it is.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
It is, but I think you've got it's not. It's
never said it's the best of the best. It's the
best of the Australian players. You know, guys like Mark
Graham right back when it first started. You know, he
was as good as any any of the players playing
on Origin then, but he wasn't an Australian. And that's
that's the point of the whole thing that we've We've
got to keep in mind. So it was while back
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in the early days it was seen in some way
as a little bit of a trial for the Australian team,
that whole test landscape has changed now, and like you
rightly pointed out, the whole landscape of the competition has
changed so I think Andrew Webs has got a really
fair and valid point. But on the other side of things,
the mystique of State of Origin and the attraction and
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appeal it has is because it is there to disturb
everything and has done that so well since its inception.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
If there was a desire a wan to need across
the other league playing nations to actually put a standalone
competition and have a space when Origin was being played,
that basically you hit paws on it. You had Origin,
you had an international window. How well would the NRL
cope with that, because they're not exactly known for caring
(11:57):
about other league playing nations, are they Would they even move,
would they wiggle? Would they give it any room at
all to breathe?
Speaker 6 (12:05):
I think again does good point, And to be fair
on the NRL, I think the NRL would would look
at well, we'll look at some stage at a like
a representative period in which there is a pause for
the n R rounds. I can see that happening. But
at the end of the day, it all depends on
what the media rights come to and what the media
wants when they do that. When they do the next
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media rights, which is another two years, or whatever it is.
Whatever they want is what will happen, because they're the
ones that are putting billions into it.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Well that's suppose they the golden rules, aren't they They've
got the gold they're making the rules. Well you look
to England and the likelihood of them in their summer
touring over here for something that's productive that big. Will
that be enough? Do you think to beckon over here.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
To do this?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Because it's completely the wrong way around for them, But
if it did actually happen an international window, you think
they'd buy in.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Who cares what the pomps thing mat.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Aout the window because we rugby league say of Origin
and it always trumpeted this is the sea, this is
what we want to watch, and International rugby league doesn't
really get a fair sack of the save and constantly
has been tried to make it more relevant. With something
like this actually put international league up in a different space.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
I think it go part of the way to ask
you to do it, but really, at the end of
the day, for whatever reason, State of Origin has created
it's its own special brand, its only uniqueness, it's its
own folklore, and unfortunately International rugby league play second field
to it with it. No matter how much we want
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country against country to be the pinnacle and all reality
in our game of rugby league, that's not the case
because it's state of origin that's the pinnacle, and whether
we're not like it or not, that's how it is.
So I do think, as I mentioned before, that there
will be a window that they'll play origin and maybe
maybe test football if they can get an agreement around
(14:05):
you know, around the to with Great Britain and others.
But in the meantime, it's just gonna it's just going
to suck it. You've got to suck it up and
keep going the way it is now.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Deal with it, right, It's been around for a long
long time. It doesn't look like it's going anywhere. Although
based on the quality of last night's game, well you
know they'll come back. They really will. The last few
years have been brilliant. This was just a bit of
a copybook blot, wasn't it.
Speaker 8 (14:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
Well, and I think that that's again the mystique of it,
because this sort of thing has happened so many times.
You know, one side's looking very dominant and then the
other side, against all odds, has come back and live
in the series up again, and you know, we just
got to keep our fingers cross it that this happens again.
But in the meantime, the men with the weight of
the world on their shoulders as Billy Slater and his
(14:52):
and his selectors, because you know, they gambled on a
few players going into this first game, and the players
with fantastic credentials, you know, credentials that are barely matched
by any other player in the game. But still many
of them were out of form and they're out of fall.
But it's a hard call that's going to be made,
and I'm just glad I don't have to bag it.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I'd say that's good because you're over there. But you
had nothing to do with you, you said, Alena, having yourself
a nice glass of red and you can talk and look,
but you have to make no decisions at all. You
deserve that happy space. You've been hit done. That's a
graham Low, always a pleasure. You look after yourself and
travel safe.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
I'll tell you what, Darcia, I watched that watch that
game last night. I had these opinions on what should
be happening. I didn't make one single mistake.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
The right call is your call eighty eighty Sports Talk
call on your home of Sports Use Talks. It'd be.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Super good words there from Sir Graham low around Origin.
It makes really valid points about what origin actually is
and what it means. And there's a suggestion almost there
that it's none of our business. We'll do what they
want to do and we just have to deal with
it either way.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It's made some really good points around it. The fact
that the NRL basically chop in, they cannibalize their own
competition to provide another competition to buy its same cherry,
not a big enough cherry, And it affects what happens
in the NRL proper, doesn't it. The alreays have opportunity
(16:28):
when they don't lose as many playing staff to actually
go on a tear during that period. They don't always
do it, to be fair, but they had the opportunity.
So it creates an imbalance within the NRL itself. Obviously,
the NRL don't care, and as well pointed out by
(16:51):
Graham Lowe, whoever's paying for the broadcast rights has ultimate
control over what happens. But as I've gone to great
pains to point out, Previously, back when Origin started, the
RL wasn't dominated by Kiwis or Pacifica it is now
(17:15):
when we come to the Origin period, you kind of
got to sit out and have a break and you're
not getting to see the best players in Origin because
it's not the best players in Origin. It's the best
Australian players in the NRL playing in Origin. So should
there be and this's my question to you, should there
be and this has been talked about from the dawn
(17:36):
of time? Should there be a separation? Should they hit
pause on the NRL during Origin and set up another
competition that puts the game of league at the forefront
of people who don't just follow Queensland and New South Wales.
(18:02):
Might be completely wrong on this. There may be zero
appetite for them. They feel free. You want to ring
through eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and say, bro's
nothing wrong with this. We we like the way this
is set up. It detracts from international rugby league. I
don't think in National rugby League does itself any favors,
but this probably doesn't help. Is there a want for change?
(18:24):
Is change required? In your eyes? I'd love to see it.
I don't have much faith in the international game to
organize it. But I think he makes a good point
and it is needed. Origin is different to what Origin
was move at the times. This is news Talk's eb
it's seven twenty five eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
You no need for the DMO. We've got the breakdown
on Sports Talk Call eight hundred eighty News Talk c B.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Seven twenty nine Sports Talk or a newstalk z abm
Darcy thanks for her He is lines a raben I
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty change required for the
State of Origin format, for the placement of the state
of Origin, for something to replace for the players who
are not tied up with New South Wales and Queensland
(19:30):
to display their wares on the league stage while Origin
is going on, or you're quite happy with the cannibalization
of the NRL Regular series added behest of the people
that want to see Origin dominate eight hundred eighty ten
eighty lines are open to go lyle.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Mate listen, nothing's really going to change because you know
it's a bit of the Australian footballers and the Origin.
Well no, I'll probably about half or possibly more of
what ran out on the field last night, or if
we're playing in the end of the year for Tonga
and Samoa. So if you say all right, we'll have
a test window, New Zealand can pay Tonger and Someamha.
(20:15):
The people that stump up the money and these guys
are getting thirty thousand dollars each a game, they're going
to say, no, we want the best players to be
playing Origin, i e. The Pacific Island players. So at
tests aaries say New Zealand versus Tonga at the same
time or Samoa, you're going to get B grades some
more or no disrespect for B grade Samoan and Tongan's
(20:36):
because the bros are going to go with the money
and good on them at thirty thousand dollars each. And
of course the people that pay for the Origin and
stump up the big money, they want the best of
what they can get their hands on. Because Samora and
tong are both being Tier two, they can play Origin.
You know, if you sit to the Samoan boys, okay,
you can play test football against New Zealand for Samoa
(20:59):
or you can play Origin. You may get one or
two that will go with the New Zealand option. But
at thirty thousand dollars each, you know they're going to go, We'll.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
You're be insane. Wouldn't you turn that down? You don't
know how long your career is it in a heart
beat you do that. It's the nature of the law.
But with the NRL lovel is it fair and right
that the NRL gets a bit punched and sliced during
the origin period at the expense of state of origin,
(21:30):
that that dominates and everyone else sits to one side?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Is that.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Good?
Speaker 7 (21:35):
No, David, I'll give you a little bit of a
history lesson. Right when it first came out of origin,
the New South Wales clubs Fort Hammer and tom not
to release their players back to Queens and it was
all sorts of bullshit for wants of a better word,
either can't. But of course then momentum took over, it
became what it became, and the public and the sponsors
demanded know they be available. So now they go, yeah, okay,
(21:59):
they don't argue the point, but at the end of
the year, what happens when New Zealand or some want
their better players for test matches. Suddenly these guys are
going to have operations. So if you can get the
new sorry Australian public on board and the sponsors, you
may be able to figure something out. But at the moment,
top of the pile is Origin. But it is only
(22:20):
that because they select so many Tier two players from
Samata and Tom. If you only selected the Australian boys,
now you'd have a lot less a product. And there's
simply the sponsors won't stump that. I've heard Gordon tell
Us saying no, no, you play Origin, you should play
for Australia. Great guy that he is, and they disrespect
to Gordon, but well he's kidding himself if he thinks
(22:43):
that's going to ever happen.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Well, they wouldn't have quality players to choose, would they.
They simply wouldn't have it, And so it wouldn't it
be a lesser product as it is? Could you argue
it is a lesser product without New Zealanders involved, Without
some British.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
And plenty of plenty of key, we would be good
enough to play Origin. And it's a few poms. But
of course it's like over here in Australia we like
to manipulate things, i e. Police forces and I'll always
find a way of getting around it made of living
this contany half of the life. And let's just put
(23:21):
it this way. Kerry Clark's a band of merry men
only become as good over here as what they were
because the new South Wales and Queensland police forces could
be bought. It's just the Stewart said, for the price.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
This is way over my head now to my realm
lyle police politics. Government can't do that, just stick the sport.
A big question for you and you're watching and you're
a fan, but does he need to be some kind
of change to make international lead more relevant? Can that happen?
You're saying pretty much, No.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
I can, but you'd have to get everyone to buy
into it. And the clubs play the big money for
the playoffs, and all they're concerned with is a good
off season, making sure they're fit enough yeah to play
next season of the club. That's why international rugby leagues does.
He's never ground unlike it's kind of rugby. As much
as I love the game, too many people with power
(24:15):
and matter self or that they're only worried about how
their club's traveling and nothing else.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And you suggest that the nerl are interested in their
product and they really couldn't give that much. Say different,
but they couldn't give two hoots about the international game
because that doesn't generate them anything. All it does is
bust their players up. So to circle the wave.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
Don't because they have to, and.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I don't think they enjoy doing it. Well, thanks very
much for your call. Don't be a stranger, but leave
the police force out of it. Twenty five minutes to
eight SportsTalk on news Talks there b oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty So are that a text pull
(25:00):
things for this? You should bring through and expand on
a bit more. Why does one hundred percent wrong The
island players in origin would choose to play for their
country and four fit the money originally as someone or
tongue and Jersey means more to them than an annoying
origin jersey one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
But.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
They're getting paid. You lean into that, don't you, as
opposed to look maybe I'm wrong. So you look at
some areas and you're seeing this in rugby and sometimes
in league where players actually know I want to play
for the land of my forefathers is not really interested
in everything else? Kind of cool. This is news talk
(25:49):
Z dep b it's sports talk, so the positioning of
Origin doesn't need to change to open up, so there
can be more of a display of the game of
rugby league. It's unencumbered by the NRL at the same time. Yeah, nah,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty lines up open, so
(26:10):
I show you that I'm gone thousand me she said, Hi,
nice to meet you. To nay, maybe wegle me dares
get up?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
If I said, she said, this live.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Forever, so he to get doude.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Then there's the.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
Wee candzds hona we.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Could there's Sam Hoy Sports Talk care on news Talks.
Heb Son's open on one hundred and eighty ten eighty Paul,
Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
It was you texted right and then I said please
ring and you did. I like an agreeable call, I got, mate.
How are you?
Speaker 7 (26:54):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Good things do?
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (26:55):
This whole eligibility Origin international things have been a bug
beer in mine for quite a while now, and this
one regards to Lyle's call. Now, the Origin players have
paid thirty thousand dollars per game, so if they played
three games, it's not ninety thousand dollars. Now, the NRL
(27:17):
don't want. They're probably they're vehemently against some are on
Tonga becoming Key one nations because if they do, they
know that the likes of Crichton, even paying hess Now
or these Island superstars would choose, would would play for
some are over and that would make them ineligible for Origin.
(27:39):
And if those those guys have even come and said,
I think it was Taur who said he would forfeit,
you know, the money to represent playing for your their
heritage far outweighs Queensland, the Queensland, Jersey or not, despite
all the hype and all the and all the you know,
all the vehetorics that they're going on about the passion
(28:01):
playing for their heritage or their families far outweighs you know,
thirty thousand dollars. So I've got no doubt that they
would choose it over there the origin.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
So as it stands right now, though you I might
have the wrong edd of the stick on this one,
I can't know at all, and people who listening to
me regularly know that I don't. But the way the
eligibility law works right now is PACIFICA players can play
in the State of Origin series and represent their own
country provided that is a Tier two nation and that's
(28:29):
what they're running on at the moment. So it becomes
Tier one, suddenly you lose some of their best players.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
That's right, and we all know what was happened to
the product. If that happened, that the origin to me
when I was grown up watching Origin, and it was
always a trial for the kangaroos, you know, to go
on the Ashes Tour or whatever. It was always you know,
it was always Brick Kenny up against Wally Lewis, you know,
to see who would start at number six or number
(28:56):
seven and go on the Kangaroo Tour. That that's the
way it was and that's why it should always be.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Its starts like nineteen eighty, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 9 (29:05):
Yeah, it started well, Queensland were playing against New South
Wales competition well before that, but they were getting beaten up.
And then I think what happened was they decided to
have this series and when went out to beat Arthur Beatson,
you know, I think it was ninety and eighty or
something like that. You and that that's basically when it
was born, and it was always a trial. It was
(29:26):
like a probable, you know, to get into the Kangaroos.
And now it's just become it's like the nral A
having your cake and eat it too. Then what the superstars?
And I think it's upset a lot of people over
there because it should be a trial for the Kangaroos.
You know, you've got players that from Toland, Samoa, Fi,
GP and G and so, you know playing in the
(29:47):
state of Origin. They don't want to play for the Kangaroos.
And I think what you're finding now does is even
Caln Pong. I think you'll find this is his last
Origin series. I think that he'll yeah, after the series
is done, he'll forfeit the ninety thousand dollars and say
I want to play for New Zealand, so he will
be eligible for Origin and anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
And sorry, what do you want that they cannibalize their
own competition for another competition, Like they kind of sweep
the inn rout to one side for for this strike.
Quite odd.
Speaker 9 (30:19):
Yeah, And to be honest, I see I the last.
Speaker 10 (30:25):
Last Last Notes.
Speaker 9 (30:25):
Game was you know, it was a very who Hume game,
the best games that I remember with a very close games,
you know, you know, down to the wire.
Speaker 10 (30:34):
But now it's just become. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
I know it's a huge product and it's the biggest
rating TV show in Australia and so on. But yeah,
I just you know, as Kiwi's you know, international football
is ol pinnacle. That's our number one.
Speaker 10 (30:51):
That's what we want.
Speaker 9 (30:52):
You know that, that's the way it should be made.
That's international fully deserves to be at the top of
the pyramid.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah. But the thing is the Australians and and Paul
as always thanks so much for your call. They're they're
the whip hand in this and they're going to run
with whatever they get the most money out of it.
An international league, Greg, Greg Peter's ere listening, give us
a call. I had one hundred eighty ten eighty. What
can you do about this? We want that to be
International should be the pinnacle, and it kind of is
(31:23):
the World Cup every now and then, but it just doesn't.
Whereas League and the State of Origin a bit like
Sale GP versus the America's Cup. Sale GP is regularly
on regularly on I'm like the America's Cup and that's
what it's getting big today, Sean, how are you?
Speaker 10 (31:44):
I see? Good evening. It's a pleasure to talk to
you fascinating subject. I work for a transnational company. I've
lived in Australia for a number of years. I'm over
here in New Zealand now last decade.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Welcome home.
Speaker 10 (31:55):
Well, yes, I'm a Kiwi, but I go back some
forths to Australia Oregon side in eighty two and it
morphed from there. I when I was working in Sydney.
There are now third generation Mari and third generation Pacifica.
It's hard to say are they from the country of
their origin that Sydney will soon overtake Augham as the
(32:17):
largest specific nation outside the Pacific, you know, and you've
got Simons and Tonglands, New Ayans and the irony is
there as many that do want to play for their
home nation. Many consider themselves Australia. Australia has a great,
in my opinion, amalgamation system of bringing you one together.
I think he's also struggling with that. The radicals and
(32:38):
left don't want that to happen, but they do a
better job of it. The good clubs in the NRL,
like Penriville, I've had a rough start for season.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Canterbury's there's an understatement insure.
Speaker 10 (32:49):
They've got good development sites. Peneris under twenties are doing
very well. The teams that tend to be at the
top of the table even during origin still maintain their
place because their development teams do well. That's what Phil
Gul was trying to overhere, which carried on and our coaching.
The stuff they got now are carrying them on. And
for the first time in twenty five years, we've got
(33:10):
a proper develop a real hardcore development program, which is
which is why the worries about having a better, in
my opinion, a better legacy going forward. So and the
rail is schizophrenic. They want to have the competition strong,
but they want to promote international sports. And I've tried
to do it in France with a couple of competitions.
(33:30):
I try I put league teams or the rugby teams
in the same towns, and leon hasn't worked. It's a
it's a real mind beinger, this thing Las Vegas. It's
a great showcase. But the Americans got so many sports
to choose from, but they couldn't kill less. It's NBA,
it's American football, baseball, they love. Hockey league is never
going to break and IP rugby which is very strong
on the colleges. Now we've really conquered that that that
(33:51):
that amateur American market. I think league's got a thirty
year you need to even get scratched there. But you know,
I don't think any er old clubs suffer. But but
I hear what you're saying. There we some smars and
tongs that want to play for their home nation. But
it won't be as many as think. There's medic can
see themselves, Ossie. I'll work with a guy over who
is Tom and Sydney. He called himself on OSSI that's
(34:13):
what he was. He didn't he didn't identify the same
way Pacific could do here, Menechael. I don't know what
put it down to, but that that's the impression.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Well, it's each it's individual families, individual people. That's what
they feel and who they are, and people are quite
entitled to label themselves whatever they want, represent where they want.
We're got to go, Sean because I've got JV. Hackey
joining us. Sure we're going to run out of time.
Thanks so much for calling. Don't be a stranger, mate,
Love to be back on again. This is News Talks
(34:40):
AB it's up fifteen minutes to eight. Sheik ch chaffee huck.
He joins the program. Next, it's been a long day now,
really it has. Like it started at midnight. It's still
going might be awake for the whole time. It's been
a long day. This is News Talks EB think you
(35:02):
in t D us talk to be Let's talk some
super duper rugby now and we go across the oct
(35:25):
So we're joined by Shafe Hackey as we look ahead
of their game, Bromby's taking on at the Crusaders tomorrow night.
And Shade joins us. Now say, how's life treating you
over in the Australian Capital territories and treating you well?
Speaker 8 (35:40):
Yeah, that's awesome weather here in the capitol and a
little bit chilly in the morning, but nice day.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
You live in Christis. You can't complain about it being
cold in the morning. You'd only know that too, well,
wouldn't you.
Speaker 8 (35:54):
Yeah, obviously I think is a nice hot place, but
obviously not right here in the capital.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So doing it well, you've got well, you've got a
big game, haven't you tomorrow night? I say big. But
in the general wash up, you're all guaranteed semi final positions.
You're all going to qualify and go through. I'm talking
of course the Chiefs, yourselves and the Brumbies. What does
(36:23):
that bring to the game or take from the game
you think without that extra jeopardy added in.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
Oh, it's obviously nice knowing that we've got extra week
for next week, but still a game and we were
fully appeared to yeah coming in and win, and still
obviously it's still preparing like a game. So yeah, looking
forward to all the boys are ready to go and yeah,
(36:53):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
You'd be fairly fizzing after what happened last week actually
having to watch that that was tight. We know you
can't right the Highlanders off, but you think you be
a little antsy, a little passy even about what happened
last week. What's the the general feeling the theory been
around what went well? You won, but what didn't quite
(37:17):
work for you all?
Speaker 8 (37:20):
Yeah, obviously it wasn't on the field, but yeah, we
knew that the Highlanders were going to so everything at us.
Obviously it's a big game for Highlanders and Crusaders. Yeah,
we were expecting that. Things obviously didn't go away, but
obviously happy with the learned. We'll take it learn any
(37:41):
of the other leaks. Yeah, just sactly you get.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
You get chanced back and again say to play and
you only want to play? And are you looking forward
to national representation because you have been looked at by
Scott robertson who you've Yeah, I'm sure you know because
you were of melve last year. You got dragged into
the squad, didn't you. That gave you a takes to
(38:06):
or a teaser to possibilities.
Speaker 8 (38:10):
Yeah. I was got a little test of it last year.
But at the moment I just want to, yeah, be
well for this team and if we get the results
they were they were looking for obviously to get to
the finals and stuff. But yeah, best things first is
as you played well for the Crusaders and be a
(38:30):
good teammate.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, you've signed to the end of next to you
to stay with Canterbury and to stay with the Crusaders.
Beyond that, you don't know ideally you'd like to go
on longer you and negotiations at all? Where does that
sit as far as your commitment? And he's in on
Rugby Live show.
Speaker 8 (38:53):
Yeah, I haven't really thought that far ahead, obviously thinking
they're thinking it year by years and have really thought
that far. I just hit the handle handle itself with
obviously the way I pay for the next for this year,
next year, So you're not really looking too far ahead.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
It wasn't a great year last year. There's an understatement
for the Crusaders. The coach Rob Penny was retained, which
was which is a good move in my opinion. It's
plainly working for you. What you can see where you're standing,
what's changed dramatically between last season and this season.
Speaker 8 (39:34):
Yeah, obviously a lot of learning from last year, and
I think the Boys just obviously took that on board.
And yeah, really now the off season and our connections
of the team and where we want to get to
this year. So yeah, we're proud of the Boys' efforts
(39:55):
this year and turning it around. And yeah, we're obviously
looking forward to the game this weekend. And yeah, of.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Course your own personal development and now you've come through
the stages because you're an AWKND boy, aren't you shut
off down to Canterbury and you've set up camp down there.
But the help of Rob Penny for your development playing
at that level, how instrumental has he been to get
you to the stage where you get plucked to, you know,
(40:26):
go and join the squad for a bit. So something's working.
What's he done specifically, Rob Penny, He's.
Speaker 8 (40:33):
Just he's just let me be myself obviously, and yeah
that's kind of what makes me perform and what makes
me feel comfortable in this team. So it's just, yeah,
just made me feel a lot more comfortable in the team.
And yeah, that's pretty much the main one that that
(40:58):
he's obviously brought into teams for me espersonally.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, forget the riffs call.
Speaker 10 (41:04):
You make a call.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Sports Talk on your home of sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
It be Ay Shay Hacky. There a man who may
have a position within the All Blacks. We will see
got dragged in last year through injury, and a few
people will scratching their heads, going, wow, it's maybe because
he wears a red and black jersey. I don't know
if there's any truth in that. It's quite the player
seems to be improving and now that the Crusaders are improving,
(41:33):
applying tomorrow night, it's the brummies. It's the late game.
Doesn't matter who wins, really, you know what you want
out of this game, not momentum, no injury, no injuries,
no injury, no injuries, and it's middle Sitch. Thanks for
producing the program. Thanks to all out there for listening,
for texting, for calling them, Darcy Waterergrave Good evening.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
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