June 4, 2025 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
Outgoing Black Caps coach Gary Stead on his retirement.
Talkback - Should NZ Cricket have kept Gary on as test coach?
Crusaders coach Rob Penney ahead of their playoffs game against the Reds.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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you are eight hundred and eighty ten eighty probably weed
it too much of me, but hey, it's my job right.
We're also going to be talking with Rob Penny ahead
of the first of the qualifying matches for Super Rugby
Pacific Crusaders hosting the Reds on Friday night. We'll talk
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Rob Penny about that later on on the piece. And
kicking everything off Gary Stead. Gary Stead has stepped down, well,
you know, to step up to New Zealand Cricket are like,
well you can have all three, but not just the
one who's saying I'm not stepping anywhere. So he's out
here gone end of this month, you'll walk away from
a post where he has achieved so much for New
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Zealand Cricket. Will talk to him about that. What it meant,
What it means where cricket is going is ups is
down everything while everything you can jam into ten minutes. Right,
he's going to join us shortly and then aboveter that
will take your course. Yeah, sure he prays on onstead.
Maybe criticize him to a degree, because I'm talking to
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head of this afternoon. There are a few people who
climbed on text to be mean, because that's what text
traffic does to people, brings out their bleasant side, they
have feastless side. But I'd really like to talk about
New Zealand Cricket's decision to run one coach over three formats.
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Is that the right decision? Is that going to be
a fruit or is it going to be an unmitigated disaster?
No one else seems to be doing it. Look, just
because everybody's doing it doesn't mean to say you have
to do it too. But the workload is intense. Is
it too much to put on the shoulders of one individual?
Challenge what he's selling cricket of thinking. I'm sure they
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went through a lot of work and a lot of
consultations and the light to come to the conclusion that
they wanted one coach to do the lot. To me,
it's questionable to you. It's well, we'll find out the
lines on O eight one hundred and eighty ten eight
Before that, though, let's do this today and it's for today.
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Pugilist David me yeah as returning to the squared circle.
Nick schar Lumpos is his opponent in the gallon williams Undercart.
Like last time out, David got an absolute smashing at
one of the hands of one of the scariest guys
in boxing gai or a tired man. It was a beating.
This is what David thinks about Nick Bloke he sparred
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with way back when and the guy who hopefully is
going to resurrect his career in front.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Of When you've got a guy that doesn't have anything
to lose, they become quite dangerous.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
So I won't take anything for granted in this fight.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
This feels like a last hurrah for him and if
he does well, good on him.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
But I'm here to knock him out.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Good on you. Jed RPA boss Robnchel thinks the timing
of the proposed are three sixty rugby competition a brainchild.
Mike Tindall, who's going to be smeared, but being called
a royal for the rest of his life. What's worse
being called that or an ex English rugby player that
Regardless Mike Tindall, it's got an insurmountable hurdle. According to
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Rob Nickel, other competitions, their timing is less than ideal
for three.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
To sixty Well, that's straight in the face of the
French Top fourteen finals, the Heineken Cup Finals, in the
Premiership Finals, United Rugby Final series, for Rugby finals series,
and I suspect every country associated with those competitions is
going to go, hey, hang on.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
A sec, I can see a flying appointment. We'll see
how that goes. That was Rob Nickel speaking with Mike
Hoskin this morning. Verreck Coley, one of the planet's greatest
ever batters, has finally picked up an ipl dita. He
high scored in the game of forty three or thirty
five balls Bengaluru rapped up one hundred and ninety. It
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was too much for Punjab, helped by a three for
from Kyle Jameson, but not enough. They lost, handing a
maiden title to the team that Verat has been with
for a long.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Long I've given everything that I had for the last
eighteen years.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I've said loyal to this team no matter what.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
I've had moments but I thought otherwise, But I stuck
to this team. I stood behind them, they stood behind me.
I always dreamt of winning it with them and.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That Mitch about It is out for the rest of
the NRL season, as you should know by now, regardless
of the impact that his absence across the team, co
teams or Whibster thinks they'll be fine. Not sure how
Mitch is going to go though it's been a great year.
It's all just crumble.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
Where he is in the game and what does a
check for us so far as a club and playing
origin in Australia and finally getting in those circles that
you want to be in as a player. That's pretty heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
We're got it because he's such a good player. But
there's optimism that someone gets to stand up and take
the spot, and somebody will. That is the nature of
professional rugby league and that sports today, tod and it's
after seven Let's talk now to Gary Stead. Seven years
in the hot seat, huge amount of success, some abject failures.
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Were never going to get to the top and stay
there right the way through an international coaching career in cricket,
it joins us. Now he's leaving Gary.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
More's the point? How are you? It's been a long
time in the saddle and finally the hound has been released.
What was the initial sense around that decision finally being made?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Look, I mean it's sad in a way. It's been
a big part of my life for the last yeah,
seven or so years, But look, I mean it's time
for someone else to work with the team, and yeah,
I'm content and happy that it's the right time for
me to move on.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The general consensus is that because you didn't want to
take on all three formats, New Zealand Cricket weren't keen
to carry on with you in just the text role.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Is that about right? Yep, Yeah, that's about right.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
But look, I mean that's their prerogative and I always
understood there was that chance of that happened, So there
was no no guarantees at all of me carrying on
in anything.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Did you even like, maybe consider changing your mind and going,
you know what, I can do everything?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Oh, I mean, yeah, consider it.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
But I think after seven years, and I think the
last seven seven or eight months were a particularly long
time on the road as well. To be honest, I
was pretty bugger Darcy and I needed, I didn't need
some time just to recharge. And yeah, I still want
to be involved in cricket in the future. I think
I've got a lot to give still, But yeah, I
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just I couldn't. I couldn't see myself continuing with everything
for much longer.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Where would the involvement be at a national level? One
of the Pirate T twenty leagues got any idea about
where you might want to go?
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Not one hundred percent sure just yet, but yeah, look,
I mean I still think there's coaching left in me
and I enjoy seeing people improve and teams improve, and
ultimately that's what you're about as coach and support staff
is to try and get the best out of your
players and see that improvement. And I'm passionate about doing that,
whether it be in cricket and another sport or even
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in business.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Potentially, what have.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You learned seven years in the role. You must have
developed over that time, And I know you've challenged yourself
from time to time too, You've taken time off, you've
questioned your own ability and input So when you look
back at the seven years we's been I suppose the
biggest growth in you Gary.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
It's hard to say over a long period of time,
but I think when you get to this level, a
lot of the things you're trying to do is well,
it's ultimately is to get the best out of the players.
So you're always trying to challenge yourself around how you
go and do that, and some players respond to I
guess plan A is the way you go about it.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Others respond to Plan B.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
So I think having that adaptability and flexibility to everyone
and their needs is the most important thing you can do.
If you're just a one trick pony, then I'm not
sure that's going to cut it with everyone, and then
you're certainly not getting the best out of your team
then as well. So I think you can always work
on those things, and that's just about building relationships and
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learning about each individual.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You've had a great tenure, You've done some fantastic things,
not you, but as the coach, because I know you'll
deflect it all to the players, which is fair enough.
But when you look back at the last seven years, highlight,
I know what mine is, but I'm much more interested
in what yours is as far as your coaching career,
what really shone I.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Think Darcy, the three NOL win in India is something
that stands out to me as probably being the hardest
thing to achieve in that tenure. And it's interesting because
I think a lot of the success of that actually
came from the two all loss earlier immediately prior to
that VI Sri Lanka, where bar a couple of bad sessions,
we actually played really good cricket and we talked about
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being on the right track in terms of what we
were trying to achieve and having the confidence in our
abilities to then go and execute the plans in India,
and I think did that really really well. Obviously, the
Worlthiest Championship, it was a huge cup and I think
fantastic for the team. But I do think the three
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nor win in India was probably the greatest achievement that
I had in my time.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, when you look gary at the development of players,
and there's been a I won't say it's written in stone,
but generally it's pretty hard to get into the Black Cats,
very hard to get out. So you've had a consistency
in selection, and you haven't pressured players like this is
your last test if you don't score runs out here,
And I think that has created an environment that has
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enabled success. But also you've got to bring players through.
How do you feel you've done that and what have
you left as far as the next coaches, as far
as the new players that you've managed to unearthed or
they've unearthed themselves and you've selected them.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Look, I mean, there's a lot to pick out a
snack question, but I think ultimately the idea of giving
guys a slightly longer piece of rope from a selection
point of view, is around showing trust in them. You
don't select players with a view that you're ultimately dropping them.
You select them because you think they are the best
and they have things to offer. And look, form can
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come and go at times, but class doesn't. And so
when we're selecting, not only are we're looking at the
skill sets of the players, we're also looking at their
character and what they can bring to a team. And
I don't find it easy when you're asking players to
be dropped. I think I take that personally, as I
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know the players do as well. But it's something that's
thought through clearly, and I think the replacement players have
to show that they clearly.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Are better than the ones that are there.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
And that's always subjective the way you go about that,
but yeahmately, ultimately you are charged with with selecting who
you think the right team is, and we try and
do that by being as humane as possible around it.
In terms of like where we're at right now, I
think that the team is in a good place. We've
showed success in all three forms recently, and look, I
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think the team is well placed. If you think back
to the World Test Championship. I went through this last night.
There's six of that team that are no longer playing,
and that shows quite a bit of turnaround in a
team that was very.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Very successful only four years ago.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
But the guys that have come in, the likes of
A Willow, Rourke, a rach and Ravendra and those types
of players could also be some of the greats that
we have in our future. So I think it's exciting
times for the team.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I like the way I said humane. It's like you're
putting someone down, not just dropping them from the side.
So you've got this relationship. How important is it. I'm
presuming that year you're the coach, and yes you're the boss,
but you would like to think, and you probably are
friends of these players. Does that make it easier or
make it more difficult that you have that personal relationship.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
I think having a relationship makes it possibly easier for
the players than what it is for me at times.
But look, I mean, retirement's a tough time for any
players to go through. It's I went through it myself.
It's it's unnerving and and a bit unsettling, but sometimes
those decisions still have to be made and that's yeah,
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that's the toughest part of the role.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What's the most difficult position you've been in, be it
a game, an individual on maybe dealing with the bloody media.
I don't know what's really strained or stressed you. I'm
not saying really, but to the biggest level, do you
think Gary?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Ah?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Look, I mean I try and I'm pretty good at
compartmentalizing things, and at different stages of your career, there's
always things that push your buttons a bit. But there's
nothing stands out in my mind to say, yeah, that
was that was that was anything that really stands out.
You understand that there are difficult times that come with
the role, and there are difficult things that you have
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to do at times, but that is and parcel of
the role.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Media necessary evil, That's the way it goes. A's the
conduit between you guys and the public. Do you think
you've been given a fair shake by the media, the print,
the radio and TV in general? And does it even matter?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
I don't think it really matters, to be honest. I mean,
you guys are trying to do your job, and I
know that I was pretty hell bent on doing as
well as I could for the team. So look, people
all right, or say what they want about you, And look,
all I know is hand on heart that I've done
everything I can to try and try and make this
team as good as it can be.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
What other people think about you was none of your business.
That's what my brother always used to say. I thought
was absolutely brilliant. Hey, last thing, and Gary Steden again,
thanks for the seven years and thanks for being so
available to all of us here in the bloody media.
The landscape of cricket is dramatically changing. We know there
are going to be at a top level a lot
of adjustments with the acceleration of the T twenty legs.
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Do you think international crickets and a good space going forward?
Do you believe that the best is yet to come,
that these issues will be dealt with in a pragmatic
manner by the powers that be?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
I'm not sure, to be honest, Darcy. I hope international
cricket will be forever seen as the pinnacle of what
you can do in cricket, because ultimately that is country
verse country and you are then seeing hopefully the best
versus the best. But these franchises are I guess, putting
pressure on international cricket and on players to go and
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play in their formats. And understandably there's some more options
for an opportunities.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
For players out there to concede.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
But I think it's something we've tried to do well
here as make sure the environment within the black Caps
team is something that players do want to come back
to and they see the value in that.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
And I hope that continues.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And Gary Stead, enjoy your temporary retirement because I know
you're going to cack back and then after that we'll
see what else happens. Because you know you're only in
your early fifties levels, aren't you, So you've still got
plenty of off. I'm plenty to do, but kick back,
relax and don't answer your phone.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
All right, thanks Darcy, forget the riff's call. You make
a call on.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Sports Talk on your home of sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It's got to be one of the best piece of
advice I could give anyone. Don't answer your phone. So
it's quite difficult my trade, because you're spending a great
deal of time on the phone trying to convince people
to give you five to ten minutes of their spare time.
I am a time band. That's my job. That's all
I've written on my passport and I haven't I'm traveling
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through America in three weeks and I want to play
it as straight as possible. You get that. Garry Stead,
seven years in the hot seat, seven years behind the
desk of New Zealand cricket. Am I being over the
top If I say that's the best coach we've ever had, No,
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I don't. I think that's fine. I think that is
plenty good. And people argue with thirst sight. You know,
sometimes he had bad times and cricket. That always happens.
You look at the trends I was telling hither at
plus yell on this afternoon and the trend is on
the up, and yet you have blips, you drop away,
but then you back up on the up again. Short
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of the mighty Australian team back in the day, people
don't have the continued success in cricket that Gary Stead
and the Black Caps have had when you've taken the
consideration that there are five million odd souls here, we've
got no money, or on the other side of the universe,
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what on earth are they doing doing this? Well? Brilliant
individual players, very well man managed and coached like Gary
Stead and all of his crew at New Zealand Cricket.
But my question of the day, look, and if you
want to ring up and say, look, Gary, you're the business.
Oh no, that was a bit pop. You're more than welcome.
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I would like to know because Gary said, look, I'd
keep doing it if I could just be the test
coach because I'm in his words, not mine. Buggered. Is
it a good idea to give one guy or girl
And that'd be a strange day, wouldn't it. But could
happen one person every role in New Zealand cricket in
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coaching t twenty one Day International's Test cricket. That's what
they want to do. Is that entirely wise? Not second
guessing New Zealand cricket. They would have put a lot
of work into this. They wouldn't have just rolled into
a studio and go, what do you think Darcy make
their entire judgment based on that? There is logic behind it,
I'm sure, But I thought that removing Gary Stead when
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he'd still be there for maybe two, three four more
years and help fold that information through would be a
brilliant idea. But it wasn't. So he's leaving twenty five
minutes after seven lines are open. Is it a good
idea to give one person all three coaching roles in
New Zealand cricket? Is this the best way forward? Does
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this work for you as a fan? You let me know,
and later on the piece we'll talk Rob Penny Crusaders reads.
I'll ask. I'll ask rather if he's that confused by
the qualifying playoff games? Not that hard. I hope he's
not confused. We're in trouble of he is. This is
news talks. He be here on sports Talk.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
You hear it from the biggest names in sports, and
then have your say on eighty Sports Talk on your
home of Sports News Talks. It be did you feeling
down to swallow?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Make you happy.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Downs round est.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Nine Sports Thalk on undred eighty ten eighty lines are
opening to text nineteen nine two. That's zbizb. A standard
text charge does apply. So Gary Stead is stepping down
at the end of the month. He wants to coach
just the red ball and he's in on cricket. No, no,
we want one ring to rule them all, one coach
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right across all formats tick twenty one day International and
red ball cricket. And plainly, in the fullness of time,
the nature of these tournaments when they occur will have
to change because all the guerrilla, the bandit t twenty
leagues are filling up all the spare time. So if
they can't adjust to that, they'll be swamped. So something
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will change. My simple mind, says Gary Stead, knows the players.
He's got the air of all the players, He's worked
out how to turn them into a very competitive unit
with a lot of changes. Only what six players and sorry,
six players in that World Test Championship team not long
in the air anymore. And all these new guys have
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come on and will you just say, you know what, Gary,
We're going to cut you wages because it's only half
a job, because you stick around for the test, because
we think you're good, and we'd like to tap into
your mind longer, and then we'll get the next guy
to roll on in the South African Borough or whoever
they decide to give the job to shame by and
you can learn as part of that experience. But no,
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I suppose you gent Crak aren't following well, they're following
the route that a number of not sorry, not following
the route that a number of other teams have taken it.
So it's very fashionable and cool to have different coaches
for Whiteborn, for Red Bull. There's a resistance in his
helling cricket to do that. You might know why. Maybe
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you can enlighten me. My simple explanation is coaches are
really expensive, and you've got two. Your bill goes through
the roof. So I wanted to have one and let
the assistant coach, which is what happened in Gary Stead's time.
Let the assistant coach cover you when you need a
cup of tea rely down. I suppose you can learn
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that way. Maybe that might work. I don't particularly like
the idea. Seem to me that the best way to
go was to fold this in, but plainly they've gone
the other way. Is this the future? The way if
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New Zealand Cricket got the right end of the stick
here When it comes to coaching one guy to have
it all? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty or
nine two nine two, Karen Wrights tell those miserable to
stick with the status WHOA, Well, that's what they want
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to do. How does that make them miserable they want
to do that? Karen goes on to say there is
no room in the current playing formats to change what
has been working so successfully for New Zealand. We've undoubtedly
accomplished some significant milestones given the structure and quality of
coaching baldment each format. How short sighted our own New
Zealand cricket and changing anything. As for Gary Stead, they
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must have rocks in their head to let him go.
The guy as a cricket brain on legs, beg him
to stay. Tell me why they're doing this? Let me
know of eight hundred and eighty ten eighty we can
teach thoughts ninety two ninety two that is z b
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on Sports Talk. On the piece, Rob Penny is going.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
To join us.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
We're going to talk about Super Rugby Pacific Qualifying finals.
I'd like to think that Rob Penny has a grasp
on this, unlike some people who don't complain at the funeral.
Wouldn't they the most amazing competition in recent history and
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they still pul be gaming, dang and standing for men?
Continuing seven thirty three is sports Talk has to end
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because I'm doing this and then I'm just told me
get a job and US Sports Talk on News Talks B.
We'll be joined by Robert Penny and a hop Skipp
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and a jump to talk about his team's preparation and
the return of some pretty handy players. What a what
a wonderful time for the likes of Harvilli and Fletcher
Newell and Will Jordan to find themselves back and the
Crusader's playing at home up against the Reds. Timing my
friends timing, and I'm presuming that they're all in good
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neck and perfectly ready to rock and roll, although these
wouldn't be packed, but we'll find out when we talk
to rob shortly, oh eight hundred and eighty ten to eight.
If ever a final word on the cricket before we
get to rob By all means I'd like to hear
from you instead. Has been the greatest coach this country
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has ever seen in cricket, done some extraordinary things. It
hasn't won a One day or a T twenty title,
but have been in finals, been right there at the end,
and for a tiny country when no resources stretched all
over the world, these are phenomenal results. And as he
pointed out, and as he pointed out, it was beyond
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remarkable what happened in India. It really was that that
will always go down as one of the great Tests series,
wasn't it. Sires Welcome, Hi, how are you good?
Speaker 8 (26:42):
Hey? I want about three three things to just quickly
talk about New Zealand. Ticket is in great shape, but
these idiots are letting instead go, which is the most
stupid thing.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
And he just wants to play one, so sireha, he
just wants to coach the red bull game and let
someone else roll. And that makes perfect sense to you.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
Well, the thing is that, yeah, that's fine, because the
thing is that cricket is changes evolved, and you've got
the red ball guys, they've got a different strategy, different play.
Then you've got a three twenty guys they've got again
you've got a new set of players who just concentrate
on that. And then you've got the one day guys.
So everyone has a different role compared to the old
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age where one coach would do everything, but now it's
really kind of focusing on three different things. What I
thought was that, like you said, they should have assistant
coaches like for the red ball, for the twenty and
one day and Gary State can be the guy at
the top just overseeing all of them, you know, so
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that where you retain him, and yet you're bringing in
the younger coaches to mature. So that's my take on it.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I'm listing. It's not interrupting because people complain that I
talked too much. Are on what's your next points there is?
Speaker 8 (28:08):
Okay. My point is that it was interesting that Gary
Gary staid they said that, you know, his greatest achievement
was winning three nail in India, But but I with
this my I think his biggest bombshell was I think
one of the great player who made it achieved was
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Jass pttel and the way he was treated straight after
after they came back wasn't wasn't. It was left a
very bad taste in the mouth for everyone.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
So he hasn't the contract, has he He's not being contracted.
It's quite hard because he performs well over seas and
and you ever see to have much trust in twigs
and spinners.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
Today He right, yeah, I'm not sure. But but but
if he did need one three nail and jas Put
was the key for the three nail wins, why would
you drop somebody just straight after straight after was dropped?
And it's not a very good look for New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
That argue horses for courses and that figure that he
did what he did, but he's not suitable war fit
for purpose over here, that'd be their argument anyway. Serious,
she wants your fourth, third, fourth, eighth point. Where are we?
Speaker 8 (29:28):
Well, No, I've kind of lost track, but I think
I think we're in a good neck. We got some
young players coming in, but they should not let Getty
Staid go. Maybe maybe use him as a consultant role
somewhere along the top and bringing some of the younger
coaches to do the three formats.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Well, we wish them all the best to whoever it is,
and they've been well set up, well set up and
oh I want us more testifact at home, right, Pete?
How are you?
Speaker 9 (30:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (30:00):
I'm I'm a boxer birds actually that how about you?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah? I am tall, handsome.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Peter Lovely Hey, just quickly on on Gary Steed's tenure
with the Black Caps. I think he has the biggest
thing for me was being able to unite the players
and get them all on the same page. We've we've
had division and a lot of Kiwi sides that we've
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had with some bloody good players and I think of
not particularly the division in there, but in the nineties
when we had you know, McMillan as still fleming, we
had some great players in that side, but they never
seem to perform consistently. And that's where Gary Steed's strength
has been as getting guys consistently performing, not just domestically
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but on the international stage. When guy's got the chance,
you know, they would score runs or take wickets. Normally
we'd have one guy, maybe two who might get runs
or wickets, but now we've got you know, three or
four guys contributing in each innings and that makes the
huge difference to what we can get or what we
can't get. And you know we've probably been in the
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top two fielding side during his tenure for most of
that too. That's another big thing for me that he's
got to deal with contracts, players contracts. There's a lot
more cricket for these guys now when you're t twenty
fifty over and test match cricket. Not that wekly a
lot of tests, but you know, there's a lot more
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to contend with for him in his era than there
has been probably for most of the other guys. Probably
Steve Rickson back to be honest, but you know, I
think he should look back on this and be proud
of what he's taken on and then left for the
next coach and as a results, he's New Zealand's talked
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about in every tournament being a semi final side every
tournament that talked about they're not. They might fly into
the radar still for a lot of people, but the
people who know cricket know that you go to to
a tournament and when it gets to the business in
New Zealand is going to be there or there about
and the amount of finals we've made, we've won, We
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won the World Test Championship, and that the Test series
won in India. You know that that's up there with
the first all black Test Series in ninety six for
me in South Africa.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Yet at all I see them as the same. But
I'm as a cricket fan and as a you know,
I'm a Kiwi man through and through what he's left
us with and the cricket that they've played. As a
fan and as a lover of cricket, like some of
my proudest cricket moments have been watching this this last
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teen years of New Zealand cricket and and the results
we've had, the big wins we've had, the sides we've toppled.
I look back and they're going to be fond memories
for me. My only disappointment will be there that we
haven't immersed the next coach. We've picked too late. We
should be having that follow on where he's part of
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the team and he's part of the culture and the
guys know him, so he's not coming in cold and
trying to establish something new. That's my personal opinion. I
think that that would be the best way to go
or they need like a golden bop that they hand
down through all of the cricket funds that have got
things that work and don't and what works best for
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us as kiwis because we're different, and what doesn't. But yep,
those are my thoughts and.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Pete, that's why we've got this program people to share
their thoughts. Thank you so much for calling through and
ither think it stands out to me about Gary Stairds
is no ego, the void of ego. It's never about him,
doesn't care, always pushing towards the players and what they've
done and other people have helped out. It's not not
about him, but he somehow managed to knit this team
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together across numerous formats to get huge success. The grand
career Gary coming up and he's on the program. We
are going to go and have a chat with Rob
Penny Crusader's reads coming up on Friday night as the
last thrust for Super Rugby Pacific glory gets underway in
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Earnest this weekend. This is New Stills their beds seven again.
Super Rugby Pacific getting down to the very point at
(34:49):
even that now Red's taking on the Crusaders on Friday
night and talking now to the head coach of the Crusaders,
Robert Penny good evening looking forward to the weekend again
another understatement, because we've reached critical mass. This is where
things start really counting. How are you guys prepped going
into this? You've ticked everything, You've done, your dots on
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your eyes and your crosses on your t's.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
Yeah, pretty much. The group's got enough experience and not
a table to you know. Just obviously there's some pressure
moments and there's a few new guys to this occasion,
but overall coaching group have done an amazing job and
the players have embraced it and excited about Friday night.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
How tailored is your coaching towards the younger guys who
haven't experienced that all the rest of your coaching stuff,
you take a bit of time and if it doing
something a bit different for these guys, that are I
suppose dipping a toe.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
If you will, No, not really, I mean everyone's just
got a lift. That's the reality of the position. So no,
and we've got a very capable group. So I just
embraced it and we're getting into it.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
What did you pull out of last week, anything key
that you need to apply to the to the mean
head of Friday.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
Well, I think you know, it's been a bit of
a similar theme for us over the last month or so,
that we're not as clinical as we'd like to be
after halftime getting ourselves in the reason we could positions
and then just not being able to quite nail a
couple of things. But we're capable and we're aware. So yeah,
just getting that element more consistent would be a real
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good start.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
So that the team apply that. You've got to set
them up. You and the rest of your coaching stuff.
You altered anything at all, Rob that you think might
help out that that that sag that bag of a
period that you have where things don't quite work, You
don't you can't dominate.
Speaker 9 (36:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. There's been lots and lots of
different really's applied and you know, some have worked and
some not quite there. But got faith that the group
will you embrace it now that we're in a point
part of the season where those lapses, if you like,
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will be more more valuable in terms of the opposition
scoring points. So they just can't exist.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
You've had return Rob of some amazing troops. You've got
new All back with the biggest engine in front row
in New Zealand, You've Gotverely back, You've got Will Jordan back.
This is just the right time. I'm presuming you're going
to hit the ground running. They're all in a good
state to play this key match.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
Yeah, yeah, they wouldn't be such an important fixture and
we've got a really strong group and you know, making
sure that they're able to function it one critical for us.
NOD are in really good physical and mental shape and yeah,
Trnic that was flowed nicely with those guys added back
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into the mix.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Looking at the playoffs and it's relatively simple. It's not
the most simplistic idea in the world, but that's eleven
teams for you. How do you feel the way the
playoffs have developed and worked out? Is this is this
for purpose the system that Super Rugby Pacific of got
right now?
Speaker 9 (38:11):
Absolutely? Yeah. I think it's you know, it's an intriguing system.
And everyone's still up in the air right through the competition,
knowing who's going to be in the top six, and
then from this point onwards, the nature of the playoffs
is that no one's going to be certain until after
the last game exactly who lies where. So yeah, cudos
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to those that came up with it.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
For those who say there are some games that might
be a little dead, there's no point in them because
it's not going to adjust the table at all. What
would you say to the Emerald, Well, it's.
Speaker 9 (38:45):
Not going to adjust the table, but there's consequences depending
on who you'd rather maybe meet down a week later,
So the consequences for you through the playoff round. So
we're aware of that and we've just got to do
what we can do and manage our own backyard and
make sure we do a good job there and get
a great Reds team coming across be really challenging, and
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you know, they've proved time and time again how worthy
they are and we're not worried about anything beyond that.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
At the stage Reds, you've had a great history with
the Reids right the way through Super Rugby, Super Rugby, Pacific, Supertensi,
Top whatever it was called, that they're definitely worthy opponents.
What do they bring that is of not prime concern
but of interest to you? What do you have to
focus on, Rob.
Speaker 9 (39:29):
Well, they've got a from better pack with the outstanding
loose word Trio two world class seven and eight in particular.
You know they would bless the team at international level
very well, and then particularly at nine and through the midfield.
They've got lots and lots of strength and they've got
tons of pace in the outside. So you know they
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haven't gone into well, they haven't gone into the position
they're in through luck their quality side, and we've got
a lot of respect for them.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Well, those big killogion areas up the front, I mean,
those lucies that can peel and gas. Are you going
to fight fire with fire? Do you meet them where
they because you're hardly short of that power yourself either.
Speaker 9 (40:09):
No, it's going to be a great contest. You know,
we've got world class lucies ourselves, very very capable men,
and so it's going to be Titanic. You know, it's
going to be a big old tussle. And you know
the weather looks like it's going to be a bit
in Clement, so that therefore, you know, that puts more
onus on the department to be top patch a bit
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in Clement.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
It's a Cantem's way of saying it's going to be
horrible and well, I suppose next to you won't be
worried about that you be under a roof. But does
this represent, if it is that bad, a clear and
present advantage to you guys? Do you feel you've got
that more in hand if you're playing in less than
ideal weather conditions?
Speaker 9 (40:51):
Oh no, it can be pretty wet in Queensland played
in some torrential. The temperature might be different, but the
conditions can be pretty hard without a quality side. They've
got internationals, you know, they're blessed with internationals right across
the playing lost and this won't be intimidating the weather
for them. It won't be the turmining factor. It is
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what it is. It's time the end. No matter where
you play, you're inclined to get a bit of a
bit of moisture and it won't be I don't think
it will be ane to either side or a detriment.
You just got to adjust and play and both teams
will be capable of that.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
The right call is your call on eight hundred eighty
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Speaker 2 (41:33):
It's Rob Benny there, coach of Crusaders. These are years
a long time, isn't it this time last year? Poor Rob,
it's getting an absolute hammering and saying that a lot
of his best players were on a gurney or in hospital,
some coming around like Will Jordan wasn't there the whole
of like and there he's coming. Now he's back. You
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get too excited to us. Not on stone yet. Thanks
for listening. Thanks a couple of people who called in
up to voices. Thank for your texts. Look forward in
its four hours, it'll be barn burning Marcus lushes since
studio taking through Marcus last nights. Wait, she just caught
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a glimselon up from down south. He has got the
best haircut and sways, thanks for producing.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Is it's said.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
If I like, try and copy Marcus Lutch's haircut. It is.
Oh oh, I thought like it was kind of a complimentary.
I don't want to be myself. I don't like me
hell hell may Well.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Then yeah, there was a Wednesday. Then here come as
a Sports Talk seven minutes, Chapter seven on a Wednesday?
Can you hear a news Talks EDB In no way biblical?
Is this show? All the hosts, but we've got some
great content coming up on the program tonight. Lots of
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you are eight hundred and eighty ten eighty probably weed
it too much of me, but hey, it's my job right.
We're also going to be talking with Rob Penny ahead
of the first of the qualifying matches for Super Rugby
Pacific Crusaders hosting the Reds on Friday night. We'll talk
(01:17):
Rob Penny about that later on on the piece. And
kicking everything off Gary Stead. Gary Stead has stepped down, well,
you know, to step up to New Zealand Cricket are like,
well you can have all three, but not just the
one who's saying I'm not stepping anywhere. So he's out
here gone end of this month, you'll walk away from
a post where he has achieved so much for New
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Zealand Cricket. Will talk to him about that. What it meant,
What it means where cricket is going is ups is
down everything while everything you can jam into ten minutes. Right,
he's going to join us shortly and then aboveter that
will take your course. Yeah, sure he prays on onstead.
Maybe criticize him to a degree, because I'm talking to
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head of this afternoon. There are a few people who
climbed on text to be mean, because that's what text
traffic does to people, brings out their bleasant side, they
have feastless side. But I'd really like to talk about
New Zealand Cricket's decision to run one coach over three formats.
(02:23):
Is that the right decision? Is that going to be
a fruit or is it going to be an unmitigated disaster?
No one else seems to be doing it. Look, just
because everybody's doing it doesn't mean to say you have
to do it too. But the workload is intense. Is
it too much to put on the shoulders of one individual?
Challenge what he's selling cricket of thinking. I'm sure they
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went through a lot of work and a lot of
consultations and the light to come to the conclusion that
they wanted one coach to do the lot. To me,
it's questionable to you. It's well, we'll find out the
lines on O eight one hundred and eighty ten eight
Before that, though, let's do this today and it's for today.
(03:05):
Pugilist David me yeah as returning to the squared circle.
Nick schar Lumpos is his opponent in the gallon williams Undercart.
Like last time out, David got an absolute smashing at
one of the hands of one of the scariest guys
in boxing gai or a tired man. It was a beating.
This is what David thinks about Nick Bloke he sparred
(03:28):
with way back when and the guy who hopefully is
going to resurrect his career in front.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Of When you've got a guy that doesn't have anything
to lose, they become quite dangerous.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
So I won't take anything for granted in this fight.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
This feels like a last hurrah for him and if
he does well, good on him.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
But I'm here to knock him out.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Good on you. Jed RPA boss Robnchel thinks the timing
of the proposed are three sixty rugby competition a brainchild.
Mike Tindall, who's going to be smeared, but being called
a royal for the rest of his life. What's worse
being called that or an ex English rugby player that
Regardless Mike Tindall, it's got an insurmountable hurdle. According to
(04:08):
Rob Nickel, other competitions, their timing is less than ideal
for three.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
To sixty Well, that's straight in the face of the
French Top fourteen finals, the Heineken Cup Finals, in the
Premiership Finals, United Rugby Final series, for Rugby finals series,
and I suspect every country associated with those competitions is
going to go, hey, hang on.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
A sec, I can see a flying appointment. We'll see
how that goes. That was Rob Nickel speaking with Mike
Hoskin this morning. Verreck Coley, one of the planet's greatest
ever batters, has finally picked up an ipl dita. He
high scored in the game of forty three or thirty
five balls Bengaluru rapped up one hundred and ninety. It
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was too much for Punjab, helped by a three for
from Kyle Jameson, but not enough. They lost, handing a
maiden title to the team that Verat has been with
for a long.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Long I've given everything that I had for the last
eighteen years.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I've said loyal to this team no matter what.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
I've had moments but I thought otherwise, But I stuck
to this team. I stood behind them, they stood behind me.
I always dreamt of winning it with them and.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That Mitch about It is out for the rest of
the NRL season, as you should know by now, regardless
of the impact that his absence across the team, co
teams or Whibster thinks they'll be fine. Not sure how
Mitch is going to go though it's been a great year.
It's all just crumble.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
Where he is in the game and what does a
check for us so far as a club and playing
origin in Australia and finally getting in those circles that
you want to be in as a player. That's pretty heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
We're got it because he's such a good player. But
there's optimism that someone gets to stand up and take
the spot, and somebody will. That is the nature of
professional rugby league and that sports today, tod and it's
after seven Let's talk now to Gary Stead. Seven years
in the hot seat, huge amount of success, some abject failures.
(06:08):
Were never going to get to the top and stay
there right the way through an international coaching career in cricket,
it joins us. Now he's leaving Gary.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
More's the point? How are you? It's been a long
time in the saddle and finally the hound has been released.
What was the initial sense around that decision finally being made?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Look, I mean it's sad in a way. It's been
a big part of my life for the last yeah,
seven or so years, But look, I mean it's time
for someone else to work with the team, and yeah,
I'm content and happy that it's the right time for
me to move on.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The general consensus is that because you didn't want to
take on all three formats, New Zealand Cricket weren't keen
to carry on with you in just the text role.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Is that about right? Yep, Yeah, that's about right.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
But look, I mean that's their prerogative and I always
understood there was that chance of that happened, So there
was no no guarantees at all of me carrying on
in anything.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Did you even like, maybe consider changing your mind and going,
you know what, I can do everything?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Oh, I mean, yeah, consider it.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
But I think after seven years, and I think the
last seven seven or eight months were a particularly long
time on the road as well. To be honest, I
was pretty bugger Darcy and I needed, I didn't need
some time just to recharge. And yeah, I still want
to be involved in cricket in the future. I think
I've got a lot to give still, But yeah, I
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just I couldn't. I couldn't see myself continuing with everything
for much longer.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Where would the involvement be at a national level? One
of the Pirate T twenty leagues got any idea about
where you might want to go?
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Not one hundred percent sure just yet, but yeah, look,
I mean I still think there's coaching left in me
and I enjoy seeing people improve and teams improve, and
ultimately that's what you're about as coach and support staff
is to try and get the best out of your
players and see that improvement. And I'm passionate about doing that,
whether it be in cricket and another sport or even
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in business.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Potentially, what have.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You learned seven years in the role. You must have
developed over that time, And I know you've challenged yourself
from time to time too, You've taken time off, you've
questioned your own ability and input So when you look
back at the seven years we's been I suppose the
biggest growth in you Gary.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
It's hard to say over a long period of time,
but I think when you get to this level, a
lot of the things you're trying to do is well,
it's ultimately is to get the best out of the players.
So you're always trying to challenge yourself around how you
go and do that, and some players respond to I
guess plan A is the way you go about it.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Others respond to Plan B.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
So I think having that adaptability and flexibility to everyone
and their needs is the most important thing you can do.
If you're just a one trick pony, then I'm not
sure that's going to cut it with everyone, and then
you're certainly not getting the best out of your team
then as well. So I think you can always work
on those things, and that's just about building relationships and
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learning about each individual.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You've had a great tenure, You've done some fantastic things,
not you, but as the coach, because I know you'll
deflect it all to the players, which is fair enough.
But when you look back at the last seven years, highlight,
I know what mine is, but I'm much more interested
in what yours is as far as your coaching career,
what really shone I.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Think Darcy, the three NOL win in India is something
that stands out to me as probably being the hardest
thing to achieve in that tenure. And it's interesting because
I think a lot of the success of that actually
came from the two all loss earlier immediately prior to
that VI Sri Lanka, where bar a couple of bad sessions,
we actually played really good cricket and we talked about
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being on the right track in terms of what we
were trying to achieve and having the confidence in our
abilities to then go and execute the plans in India,
and I think did that really really well. Obviously, the
Worlthiest Championship, it was a huge cup and I think
fantastic for the team. But I do think the three
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nor win in India was probably the greatest achievement that
I had in my time.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, when you look gary at the development of players,
and there's been a I won't say it's written in stone,
but generally it's pretty hard to get into the Black Cats,
very hard to get out. So you've had a consistency
in selection, and you haven't pressured players like this is
your last test if you don't score runs out here,
And I think that has created an environment that has
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enabled success. But also you've got to bring players through.
How do you feel you've done that and what have
you left as far as the next coaches, as far
as the new players that you've managed to unearthed or
they've unearthed themselves and you've selected them.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Look, I mean, there's a lot to pick out a
snack question, but I think ultimately the idea of giving
guys a slightly longer piece of rope from a selection
point of view, is around showing trust in them. You
don't select players with a view that you're ultimately dropping them.
You select them because you think they are the best
and they have things to offer. And look, form can
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come and go at times, but class doesn't. And so
when we're selecting, not only are we're looking at the
skill sets of the players, we're also looking at their
character and what they can bring to a team. And
I don't find it easy when you're asking players to
be dropped. I think I take that personally, as I
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know the players do as well. But it's something that's
thought through clearly, and I think the replacement players have
to show that they clearly.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Are better than the ones that are there.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
And that's always subjective the way you go about that,
but yeahmately, ultimately you are charged with with selecting who
you think the right team is, and we try and
do that by being as humane as possible around it.
In terms of like where we're at right now, I
think that the team is in a good place. We've
showed success in all three forms recently, and look, I
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think the team is well placed. If you think back
to the World Test Championship. I went through this last night.
There's six of that team that are no longer playing,
and that shows quite a bit of turnaround in a
team that was very.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Very successful only four years ago.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
But the guys that have come in, the likes of
A Willow, Rourke, a rach and Ravendra and those types
of players could also be some of the greats that
we have in our future. So I think it's exciting
times for the team.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I like the way I said humane. It's like you're
putting someone down, not just dropping them from the side.
So you've got this relationship. How important is it. I'm
presuming that year you're the coach, and yes you're the boss,
but you would like to think, and you probably are
friends of these players. Does that make it easier or
make it more difficult that you have that personal relationship.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
I think having a relationship makes it possibly easier for
the players than what it is for me at times.
But look, I mean, retirement's a tough time for any
players to go through. It's I went through it myself.
It's it's unnerving and and a bit unsettling, but sometimes
those decisions still have to be made and that's yeah,
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that's the toughest part of the role.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What's the most difficult position you've been in, be it
a game, an individual on maybe dealing with the bloody media.
I don't know what's really strained or stressed you. I'm
not saying really, but to the biggest level, do you
think Gary?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Ah?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Look, I mean I try and I'm pretty good at
compartmentalizing things, and at different stages of your career, there's
always things that push your buttons a bit. But there's
nothing stands out in my mind to say, yeah, that
was that was that was anything that really stands out.
You understand that there are difficult times that come with
the role, and there are difficult things that you have
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to do at times, but that is and parcel of
the role.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Media necessary evil, That's the way it goes. A's the
conduit between you guys and the public. Do you think
you've been given a fair shake by the media, the print,
the radio and TV in general? And does it even matter?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
I don't think it really matters, to be honest. I mean,
you guys are trying to do your job, and I
know that I was pretty hell bent on doing as
well as I could for the team. So look, people
all right, or say what they want about you, And look,
all I know is hand on heart that I've done
everything I can to try and try and make this
team as good as it can be.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
What other people think about you was none of your business.
That's what my brother always used to say. I thought
was absolutely brilliant. Hey, last thing, and Gary Steden again,
thanks for the seven years and thanks for being so
available to all of us here in the bloody media.
The landscape of cricket is dramatically changing. We know there
are going to be at a top level a lot
of adjustments with the acceleration of the T twenty legs.
(15:04):
Do you think international crickets and a good space going forward?
Do you believe that the best is yet to come,
that these issues will be dealt with in a pragmatic
manner by the powers that be?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
I'm not sure, to be honest, Darcy. I hope international
cricket will be forever seen as the pinnacle of what
you can do in cricket, because ultimately that is country
verse country and you are then seeing hopefully the best
versus the best. But these franchises are I guess, putting
pressure on international cricket and on players to go and
(15:41):
play in their formats. And understandably there's some more options
for an opportunities.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
For players out there to concede.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
But I think it's something we've tried to do well
here as make sure the environment within the black Caps
team is something that players do want to come back
to and they see the value in that.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
And I hope that continues.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And Gary Stead, enjoy your temporary retirement because I know
you're going to cack back and then after that we'll
see what else happens. Because you know you're only in
your early fifties levels, aren't you, So you've still got
plenty of off. I'm plenty to do, but kick back,
relax and don't answer your phone.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
All right, thanks Darcy, forget the riff's call. You make
a call on.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Sports Talk on your home of sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It's got to be one of the best piece of
advice I could give anyone. Don't answer your phone. So
it's quite difficult my trade, because you're spending a great
deal of time on the phone trying to convince people
to give you five to ten minutes of their spare time.
I am a time band. That's my job. That's all
I've written on my passport and I haven't I'm traveling
(16:49):
through America in three weeks and I want to play
it as straight as possible. You get that. Garry Stead,
seven years in the hot seat, seven years behind the
desk of New Zealand cricket. Am I being over the
top If I say that's the best coach we've ever had, No,
(17:10):
I don't. I think that's fine. I think that is
plenty good. And people argue with thirst sight. You know,
sometimes he had bad times and cricket. That always happens.
You look at the trends I was telling hither at
plus yell on this afternoon and the trend is on
the up, and yet you have blips, you drop away,
but then you back up on the up again. Short
(17:32):
of the mighty Australian team back in the day, people
don't have the continued success in cricket that Gary Stead
and the Black Caps have had when you've taken the
consideration that there are five million odd souls here, we've
got no money, or on the other side of the universe,
(17:55):
what on earth are they doing doing this? Well? Brilliant
individual players, very well man managed and coached like Gary
Stead and all of his crew at New Zealand Cricket.
But my question of the day, look, and if you
want to ring up and say, look, Gary, you're the business.
Oh no, that was a bit pop. You're more than welcome.
(18:16):
I would like to know because Gary said, look, I'd
keep doing it if I could just be the test
coach because I'm in his words, not mine. Buggered. Is
it a good idea to give one guy or girl
And that'd be a strange day, wouldn't it. But could
happen one person every role in New Zealand cricket in
(18:36):
coaching t twenty one Day International's Test cricket. That's what
they want to do. Is that entirely wise? Not second
guessing New Zealand cricket. They would have put a lot
of work into this. They wouldn't have just rolled into
a studio and go, what do you think Darcy make
their entire judgment based on that? There is logic behind it,
I'm sure, But I thought that removing Gary Stead when
(18:58):
he'd still be there for maybe two, three four more
years and help fold that information through would be a
brilliant idea. But it wasn't. So he's leaving twenty five
minutes after seven lines are open. Is it a good
idea to give one person all three coaching roles in
New Zealand cricket? Is this the best way forward? Does
(19:19):
this work for you as a fan? You let me know,
and later on the piece we'll talk Rob Penny Crusaders reads.
I'll ask. I'll ask rather if he's that confused by
the qualifying playoff games? Not that hard. I hope he's
not confused. We're in trouble of he is. This is
news talks. He be here on sports Talk.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
You hear it from the biggest names in sports, and
then have your say on eighty Sports Talk on your
home of Sports News Talks. It be did you feeling
down to swallow?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Make you happy.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Downs round est.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Nine Sports Thalk on undred eighty ten eighty lines are
opening to text nineteen nine two. That's zbizb. A standard
text charge does apply. So Gary Stead is stepping down
at the end of the month. He wants to coach
just the red ball and he's in on cricket. No, no,
we want one ring to rule them all, one coach
(20:36):
right across all formats tick twenty one day International and
red ball cricket. And plainly, in the fullness of time,
the nature of these tournaments when they occur will have
to change because all the guerrilla, the bandit t twenty
leagues are filling up all the spare time. So if
they can't adjust to that, they'll be swamped. So something
(20:59):
will change. My simple mind, says Gary Stead, knows the players.
He's got the air of all the players, He's worked
out how to turn them into a very competitive unit
with a lot of changes. Only what six players and sorry,
six players in that World Test Championship team not long
in the air anymore. And all these new guys have
(21:20):
come on and will you just say, you know what, Gary,
We're going to cut you wages because it's only half
a job, because you stick around for the test, because
we think you're good, and we'd like to tap into
your mind longer, and then we'll get the next guy
to roll on in the South African Borough or whoever
they decide to give the job to shame by and
you can learn as part of that experience. But no,
(21:45):
I suppose you gent Crak aren't following well, they're following
the route that a number of not sorry, not following
the route that a number of other teams have taken it.
So it's very fashionable and cool to have different coaches
for Whiteborn, for Red Bull. There's a resistance in his
helling cricket to do that. You might know why. Maybe
(22:07):
you can enlighten me. My simple explanation is coaches are
really expensive, and you've got two. Your bill goes through
the roof. So I wanted to have one and let
the assistant coach, which is what happened in Gary Stead's time.
Let the assistant coach cover you when you need a
cup of tea rely down. I suppose you can learn
(22:29):
that way. Maybe that might work. I don't particularly like
the idea. Seem to me that the best way to
go was to fold this in, but plainly they've gone
the other way. Is this the future? The way if
(22:50):
New Zealand Cricket got the right end of the stick
here When it comes to coaching one guy to have
it all? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty or
nine two nine two, Karen Wrights tell those miserable to
stick with the status WHOA, Well, that's what they want
(23:11):
to do. How does that make them miserable they want
to do that? Karen goes on to say there is
no room in the current playing formats to change what
has been working so successfully for New Zealand. We've undoubtedly
accomplished some significant milestones given the structure and quality of
coaching baldment each format. How short sighted our own New
Zealand cricket and changing anything. As for Gary Stead, they
(23:40):
must have rocks in their head to let him go.
The guy as a cricket brain on legs, beg him
to stay. Tell me why they're doing this? Let me
know of eight hundred and eighty ten eighty we can
teach thoughts ninety two ninety two that is z b
z B. It is twenty seven minutes to eight there
(24:05):
on Sports Talk. On the piece, Rob Penny is going.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
To join us.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
We're going to talk about Super Rugby Pacific Qualifying finals.
I'd like to think that Rob Penny has a grasp
on this, unlike some people who don't complain at the funeral.
Wouldn't they the most amazing competition in recent history and
(24:31):
they still pul be gaming, dang and standing for men?
Continuing seven thirty three is sports Talk has to end
(24:54):
because I'm doing this and then I'm just told me
get a job and US Sports Talk on News Talks B.
We'll be joined by Robert Penny and a hop Skipp
(25:16):
and a jump to talk about his team's preparation and
the return of some pretty handy players. What a what
a wonderful time for the likes of Harvilli and Fletcher
Newell and Will Jordan to find themselves back and the
Crusader's playing at home up against the Reds. Timing my
friends timing, and I'm presuming that they're all in good
(25:39):
neck and perfectly ready to rock and roll, although these
wouldn't be packed, but we'll find out when we talk
to rob shortly, oh eight hundred and eighty ten to eight.
If ever a final word on the cricket before we
get to rob By all means I'd like to hear
from you instead. Has been the greatest coach this country
(26:03):
has ever seen in cricket, done some extraordinary things. It
hasn't won a One day or a T twenty title,
but have been in finals, been right there at the end,
and for a tiny country when no resources stretched all
over the world, these are phenomenal results. And as he
pointed out, and as he pointed out, it was beyond
(26:31):
remarkable what happened in India. It really was that that
will always go down as one of the great Tests series,
wasn't it. Sires Welcome, Hi, how are you good?
Speaker 8 (26:42):
Hey? I want about three three things to just quickly
talk about New Zealand. Ticket is in great shape, but
these idiots are letting instead go, which is the most
stupid thing.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
And he just wants to play one, so sireha, he
just wants to coach the red bull game and let
someone else roll. And that makes perfect sense to you.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
Well, the thing is that, yeah, that's fine, because the
thing is that cricket is changes evolved, and you've got
the red ball guys, they've got a different strategy, different play.
Then you've got a three twenty guys they've got again
you've got a new set of players who just concentrate
on that. And then you've got the one day guys.
So everyone has a different role compared to the old
(27:28):
age where one coach would do everything, but now it's
really kind of focusing on three different things. What I
thought was that, like you said, they should have assistant
coaches like for the red ball, for the twenty and
one day and Gary State can be the guy at
the top just overseeing all of them, you know, so
(27:51):
that where you retain him, and yet you're bringing in
the younger coaches to mature. So that's my take on it.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I'm listing. It's not interrupting because people complain that I
talked too much. Are on what's your next points there is?
Speaker 8 (28:08):
Okay. My point is that it was interesting that Gary
Gary staid they said that, you know, his greatest achievement
was winning three nail in India, But but I with
this my I think his biggest bombshell was I think
one of the great player who made it achieved was
(28:30):
Jass pttel and the way he was treated straight after
after they came back wasn't wasn't. It was left a
very bad taste in the mouth for everyone.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
So he hasn't the contract, has he He's not being contracted.
It's quite hard because he performs well over seas and
and you ever see to have much trust in twigs
and spinners.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
Today He right, yeah, I'm not sure. But but but
if he did need one three nail and jas Put
was the key for the three nail wins, why would
you drop somebody just straight after straight after was dropped?
And it's not a very good look for New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
That argue horses for courses and that figure that he
did what he did, but he's not suitable war fit
for purpose over here, that'd be their argument anyway. Serious,
she wants your fourth, third, fourth, eighth point. Where are we?
Speaker 8 (29:28):
Well, No, I've kind of lost track, but I think
I think we're in a good neck. We got some
young players coming in, but they should not let Getty
Staid go. Maybe maybe use him as a consultant role
somewhere along the top and bringing some of the younger
coaches to do the three formats.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Well, we wish them all the best to whoever it is,
and they've been well set up, well set up and
oh I want us more testifact at home, right, Pete?
How are you?
Speaker 9 (30:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (30:00):
I'm I'm a boxer birds actually that how about you?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah? I am tall, handsome.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Peter Lovely Hey, just quickly on on Gary Steed's tenure
with the Black Caps. I think he has the biggest
thing for me was being able to unite the players
and get them all on the same page. We've we've
had division and a lot of Kiwi sides that we've
(30:27):
had with some bloody good players and I think of
not particularly the division in there, but in the nineties
when we had you know, McMillan as still fleming, we
had some great players in that side, but they never
seem to perform consistently. And that's where Gary Steed's strength
has been as getting guys consistently performing, not just domestically
(30:51):
but on the international stage. When guy's got the chance,
you know, they would score runs or take wickets. Normally
we'd have one guy, maybe two who might get runs
or wickets, but now we've got you know, three or
four guys contributing in each innings and that makes the
huge difference to what we can get or what we
can't get. And you know we've probably been in the
(31:13):
top two fielding side during his tenure for most of
that too. That's another big thing for me that he's
got to deal with contracts, players contracts. There's a lot
more cricket for these guys now when you're t twenty
fifty over and test match cricket. Not that wekly a
lot of tests, but you know, there's a lot more
(31:35):
to contend with for him in his era than there
has been probably for most of the other guys. Probably
Steve Rickson back to be honest, but you know, I
think he should look back on this and be proud
of what he's taken on and then left for the
next coach and as a results, he's New Zealand's talked
(31:57):
about in every tournament being a semi final side every
tournament that talked about they're not. They might fly into
the radar still for a lot of people, but the
people who know cricket know that you go to to
a tournament and when it gets to the business in
New Zealand is going to be there or there about
and the amount of finals we've made, we've won, We
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won the World Test Championship, and that the Test series
won in India. You know that that's up there with
the first all black Test Series in ninety six for
me in South Africa.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Yet at all I see them as the same. But
I'm as a cricket fan and as a you know,
I'm a Kiwi man through and through what he's left
us with and the cricket that they've played. As a
fan and as a lover of cricket, like some of
my proudest cricket moments have been watching this this last
(32:54):
teen years of New Zealand cricket and and the results
we've had, the big wins we've had, the sides we've toppled.
I look back and they're going to be fond memories
for me. My only disappointment will be there that we
haven't immersed the next coach. We've picked too late. We
should be having that follow on where he's part of
(33:15):
the team and he's part of the culture and the
guys know him, so he's not coming in cold and
trying to establish something new. That's my personal opinion. I
think that that would be the best way to go
or they need like a golden bop that they hand
down through all of the cricket funds that have got
things that work and don't and what works best for
(33:35):
us as kiwis because we're different, and what doesn't. But yep,
those are my thoughts and.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Pete, that's why we've got this program people to share
their thoughts. Thank you so much for calling through and
ither think it stands out to me about Gary Stairds
is no ego, the void of ego. It's never about him,
doesn't care, always pushing towards the players and what they've
done and other people have helped out. It's not not
about him, but he somehow managed to knit this team
(34:03):
together across numerous formats to get huge success. The grand
career Gary coming up and he's on the program. We
are going to go and have a chat with Rob
Penny Crusader's reads coming up on Friday night as the
last thrust for Super Rugby Pacific glory gets underway in
(34:26):
Earnest this weekend. This is New Stills their beds seven again.
Super Rugby Pacific getting down to the very point at
(34:49):
even that now Red's taking on the Crusaders on Friday
night and talking now to the head coach of the Crusaders,
Robert Penny good evening looking forward to the weekend again
another understatement, because we've reached critical mass. This is where
things start really counting. How are you guys prepped going
into this? You've ticked everything, You've done, your dots on
(35:11):
your eyes and your crosses on your t's.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
Yeah, pretty much. The group's got enough experience and not
a table to you know. Just obviously there's some pressure
moments and there's a few new guys to this occasion,
but overall coaching group have done an amazing job and
the players have embraced it and excited about Friday night.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
How tailored is your coaching towards the younger guys who
haven't experienced that all the rest of your coaching stuff,
you take a bit of time and if it doing
something a bit different for these guys, that are I
suppose dipping a toe.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
If you will, No, not really, I mean everyone's just
got a lift. That's the reality of the position. So no,
and we've got a very capable group. So I just
embraced it and we're getting into it.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
What did you pull out of last week, anything key
that you need to apply to the to the mean
head of Friday.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
Well, I think you know, it's been a bit of
a similar theme for us over the last month or so,
that we're not as clinical as we'd like to be
after halftime getting ourselves in the reason we could positions
and then just not being able to quite nail a
couple of things. But we're capable and we're aware. So yeah,
just getting that element more consistent would be a real
(36:33):
good start.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
So that the team apply that. You've got to set
them up. You and the rest of your coaching stuff.
You altered anything at all, Rob that you think might
help out that that that sag that bag of a
period that you have where things don't quite work, You
don't you can't dominate.
Speaker 9 (36:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. There's been lots and lots of
different really's applied and you know, some have worked and
some not quite there. But got faith that the group
will you embrace it now that we're in a point
part of the season where those lapses, if you like,
(37:06):
will be more more valuable in terms of the opposition
scoring points. So they just can't exist.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
You've had return Rob of some amazing troops. You've got
new All back with the biggest engine in front row
in New Zealand, You've Gotverely back, You've got Will Jordan back.
This is just the right time. I'm presuming you're going
to hit the ground running. They're all in a good
state to play this key match.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
Yeah, yeah, they wouldn't be such an important fixture and
we've got a really strong group and you know, making
sure that they're able to function it one critical for us.
NOD are in really good physical and mental shape and yeah,
Trnic that was flowed nicely with those guys added back
(37:52):
into the mix.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Looking at the playoffs and it's relatively simple. It's not
the most simplistic idea in the world, but that's eleven
teams for you. How do you feel the way the
playoffs have developed and worked out? Is this is this
for purpose the system that Super Rugby Pacific of got
right now?
Speaker 9 (38:11):
Absolutely? Yeah. I think it's you know, it's an intriguing system.
And everyone's still up in the air right through the competition,
knowing who's going to be in the top six, and
then from this point onwards, the nature of the playoffs
is that no one's going to be certain until after
the last game exactly who lies where. So yeah, cudos
(38:33):
to those that came up with it.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
For those who say there are some games that might
be a little dead, there's no point in them because
it's not going to adjust the table at all. What
would you say to the Emerald, Well, it's.
Speaker 9 (38:45):
Not going to adjust the table, but there's consequences depending
on who you'd rather maybe meet down a week later,
So the consequences for you through the playoff round. So
we're aware of that and we've just got to do
what we can do and manage our own backyard and
make sure we do a good job there and get
a great Reds team coming across be really challenging, and
(39:08):
you know, they've proved time and time again how worthy
they are and we're not worried about anything beyond that.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
At the stage Reds, you've had a great history with
the Reids right the way through Super Rugby, Super Rugby, Pacific, Supertensi,
Top whatever it was called, that they're definitely worthy opponents.
What do they bring that is of not prime concern
but of interest to you? What do you have to
focus on, Rob.
Speaker 9 (39:29):
Well, they've got a from better pack with the outstanding
loose word Trio two world class seven and eight in particular.
You know they would bless the team at international level
very well, and then particularly at nine and through the midfield.
They've got lots and lots of strength and they've got
tons of pace in the outside. So you know they
(39:50):
haven't gone into well, they haven't gone into the position
they're in through luck their quality side, and we've got
a lot of respect for them.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Well, those big killogion areas up the front, I mean,
those lucies that can peel and gas. Are you going
to fight fire with fire? Do you meet them where
they because you're hardly short of that power yourself either.
Speaker 9 (40:09):
No, it's going to be a great contest. You know,
we've got world class lucies ourselves, very very capable men,
and so it's going to be Titanic. You know, it's
going to be a big old tussle. And you know
the weather looks like it's going to be a bit
in Clement, so that therefore, you know, that puts more
onus on the department to be top patch a bit
(40:31):
in Clement.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
It's a Cantem's way of saying it's going to be
horrible and well, I suppose next to you won't be
worried about that you be under a roof. But does
this represent, if it is that bad, a clear and
present advantage to you guys? Do you feel you've got
that more in hand if you're playing in less than
ideal weather conditions?
Speaker 9 (40:51):
Oh no, it can be pretty wet in Queensland played
in some torrential. The temperature might be different, but the
conditions can be pretty hard without a quality side. They've
got internationals, you know, they're blessed with internationals right across
the playing lost and this won't be intimidating the weather
for them. It won't be the turmining factor. It is
(41:11):
what it is. It's time the end. No matter where
you play, you're inclined to get a bit of a
bit of moisture and it won't be I don't think
it will be ane to either side or a detriment.
You just got to adjust and play and both teams
will be capable of that.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
The right call is your call on eight hundred eighty
eighty Sports Talk call on your home of Sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
It's Rob Benny there, coach of Crusaders. These are years
a long time, isn't it this time last year? Poor Rob,
it's getting an absolute hammering and saying that a lot
of his best players were on a gurney or in hospital,
some coming around like Will Jordan wasn't there the whole
of like and there he's coming. Now he's back. You
(41:54):
get too excited to us. Not on stone yet. Thanks
for listening. Thanks a couple of people who called in
up to voices. Thank for your texts. Look forward in
its four hours, it'll be barn burning Marcus lushes since
studio taking through Marcus last nights. Wait, she just caught
(42:16):
a glimselon up from down south. He has got the
best haircut and sways, thanks for producing.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Is it's said.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
If I like, try and copy Marcus Lutch's haircut. It is.
Oh oh, I thought like it was kind of a complimentary.
I don't want to be myself. I don't like me
hell hell may Well.
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