July 29, 2025 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
Netball NZ chief executive Jennie Wyllie on the new deal they've signed with TVNZ.
Talkback - Is this TVNZ deal going to convince you to watch more netball?
Former Kiwi Richie Barnett on the Warriors line-up named to play the Dolphins this Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldergrave
from Newstalk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Evening. There's a sports talk on news Talks there B.
My name is Darcy Aldergrave with the three eight o'clock
tonight as we talk sport but a netball, but a
rugby league. That's the flavor at a seven past seven.
It's a Tuesday, twenty ninth of July twenty twenty five.
Later of the piece, rich Barnett joins us to look
at Warriors team, naming a number of players out with injury.
(00:57):
There have been I won't say wholesale changes, but considerable
spine adjustments. The chira practor has been at the Warriors.
I will talk Richie about that. Zealisniak retains his place
discussion around that as well. But the big news of
the day, it's only broke in the last half an
hour or so his Netball New Zealand have finally secured
(01:21):
broadcast rights for the a n Z Premiership. CEO of
Netball New Zealand, Jenny Wiley, to join us shortly to
talk about with whom for how long, how much, what
do they hope to gain out of it? And so on?
And so forth, and we'll take your calls on this,
this free to wear netball coverage for next year. Is
(01:41):
this going to change your viewing habits when it comes
to netball? Is this good for the game? Are you
going to engage now that it's free to wear? We'll
talk about that up after Jenny Wiley, But before Jenny, well,
you know what's going to happen. How about this today?
(02:02):
And it's for today. Roger q vs. Shek's traveling well,
isn't understatement? I have the league to Rugby to league
convert might have been back to Rugby ginning to believe
the Rumors had a fine weekend on the wing, even
though those teams struggled against the table anchoring the Titans
and with the triumph two hundred and seventy six run
meetings last week, Rogers, all.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Right, we'll getting to the team. I feel good, you know,
I feel like I'm saying so again to a groover.
I starting to work out the level of today's in Irland.
I'm feeling good. I'm happy just to be doing my
role the the best I can and just keep turning.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Up up until about half an hour ago, you see
a netball being pointed in the direction of Ossie super
Netball by former silver fern Mard Foster, even if it.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Was two teams. So you've got a higher ischelon of
athlete coming through, have our elite, top of the line
high performance athletes to be mixing it up, and the
probably the best competition in the world tv INC.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Says Na Key. We swim star and defending Forner made
an individual MEDILEAGU champ Lewis, but believes training failure has
added to his preparation this year.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
You know, leading into Paris last year, I was swimming
really well every single day, but this year, you know,
it hasn't been as consistent, and I think mentally it
has made me a little bit stronger because I'm failing.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
And the Breakers are unicorn hunting. They're looking for a
big man who can assist that each end of the court,
says President of Basketball Operations Dylan Boucher. What a title.
I'd almost take the job on just for the title
president of b ball ops love it.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
We're probably getting a little bit greedy and want to
have a bit of everything, so we're really taking our
time for now and find the right guy. And we've
got a few prospects on our listen at the moment
that we're working through and hopefully within the coming weeks
we'll be able to now down exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Who their player is.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Follow the rainbow path. There lurkis the unicorn. I'm not
quite sure it's the end you want, but there you go.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And that sport today.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Great news story for netball. Forty old minutes ago, news
came out the New Zealand Netball have finally found a
broadcast rights partner for the A n Z Premiership. To
talk about it now, is Netball New Zealand's chief executive
Jenny Wiley. Jenny, welcome to the program. I suppose first out,
(04:31):
what's the nature of the deal.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Well, you know what, netball is going home. It's going
back to where it first started. So the A and
Z Premiership for twenty twenty six will be live and
free on TV and Z and TV and Z Plus.
And we're delighted. This is where netball started.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
It started.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
You know, the first time that women's sport was available
on broadcast was with TV and Z and that's where
we're heading.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Eighteen years eighteen years since has been on free to
wear TV. In a deal like this, this's a big
move for NET or a big move for TV and Z.
Why that's so confident to climb on board with this competition,
do you think? Well?
Speaker 7 (05:16):
I think there's a real inextricable value around what nebel
does for community, what it does for our people, our
young ones, and to be able to provide our fans
and our players with a visible competition that everyone throughout
New Zealand will be able to see is just absolutely
(05:40):
exciting and I'm thrilled that TV and z's are getting
in behind us and wanting to support women's sport in
this way.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I have to ask, I know your own answer, because
that's the nature of it. How much are you getting?
Have you taken a hit from last time round or not?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well?
Speaker 7 (05:56):
I think what we all know is the media market
has shifted. It's really challenging out there, as is commercial
and broadcast people. New Zealand will be investing in this,
but we're currently in talks with partners around how we
can get some additional support so that value proposition can
(06:17):
be sort of supported throughout our community, not just through
NET on New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Okay, so you probably haven't got as much as you'd like,
but that negotiating process. Are you happy enough and is
that why it took so long just wrestling over the price.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
Well, I think what we really wanted is to make
sure that wherever we landed, it provided value back to
our fans and that our sport was visible. So what
we're going to see is, you know, three games a
weekend on Saturdays and Sundays, and it'll be available to
kiwis throughout the links and breadth of this country and
(06:57):
all our communities, not just some of the communities. And
I think you know those those qualities as much as
any financials, they're all equally as important. So I think
where we're at it's going to give our people the
opportunity to see Netbull again, as you say, eighteen years
that we have been away from free to air in
(07:19):
this kind of capacity, So be exciting to see where
it can take us.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
It's plenty of very important that free to our aspect.
But you'd suggest Sky is still carrying the silver ferns,
aren't they. They turned up and said no, I'm going
to give you this amount, So it's going to be
behind a paywall. It'd be hard to walk from that.
What I'm trying to say, is how much in kind?
How much value is free to wear worth to you?
You'd be willing to take a bit of a hit
(07:46):
on that money to get it out there?
Speaker 8 (07:48):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Primary? You see where I'm going with this, Jenny.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
Oh okay, I understand, and I think all sport are
going to be facing into that very question around how
do you diversify where your revenue streams come from. So
what we are really seeing is a massive uptack in
our global viewership and that's an area that we've got
(08:11):
to explore more and how our people and our fans consume,
so the traditional media model will change. What we do
know is linear remains really important, but you do need
to look at other forms of how people consume the
channels that they consume on. So that's all part of
our future strategy. But where we find ourselves for twenty
(08:34):
twenty six is a place where we have the opportunity
to really reach back into those communities that are playing
our game and also want to view it, and that
they're staunch supporters of the commercial partners that get in
behind it too.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Only a one year deal, Jenny Wally, You SEEO Netborn
New Zealand likely to go on after that, Why only
one year?
Speaker 7 (08:55):
Well, as you know, things are shifting pretty quickly in
the media environment, and for us, we do have a
long term vision for the premiership and part of that
means that we need to keep our options open for
what it might look like from twenty six and beyond.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Were you negotiating with anybody else that anyone else raise
a flag and say, hey, we wouldn't mind having a
chat or was it? Was it solely TVNZ?
Speaker 7 (09:22):
Well, I think we had we had all of the
traditional media partners in the mix, but there are new
and different ways of delivering content and providing your product
that remain in the mix, and there conversations that we
are still pursuing. But certainly for twenty six, this was
(09:44):
where we wanted to head strategically, and we will continue
those conversations as we look further beyond this year.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Plus Association happy, If they're happy, I'm presuming everyone's going
to get paid. Okay, I don't know how much it's
going to be. You're not going to tell me, But
are they happy enough for what you've settled on next year? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (10:03):
We've worked really closely along with the Players Association in
all facets of the negotiation, whether it be the broadcast
or what it means for the players or the environment.
And so they're being well engaged on this and we're
working really closely with them currently. We're delighted that it
(10:24):
won't be too far off before the contracting windows for
our players can open. So yeah, it's been a long
and engaged process with them, but we've kept them, you know,
fully abreast the whole time.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, and you'll be exhausted. So with this though, does
that help with leverage the free to wear, with naming
rights for the kit and things like that. You've got
to try and get what you can out of the stone,
you So that's got to be a leg up for
the eyeballs.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
Well, I think it's fantastic. And once we're able to
announce the scheduling and lock that in, I think, you know,
having a home for nitball where it is visible across
the links and breadth to the country can only improve
those commercial propositions and the opportunity for brands to kind
of get in behind New Zealand's number one sport for
(11:16):
women and girls and actually reach into the community.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Space because this is a sport that goes.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
Right from the very very elite, right down to those
grassroots where those kids have their first touch of the game,
and that kind of relationship is enduring and it goes
beyond just you know, a couple of seasons on a
TV domestic greening or on an elite competition. It actually
goes deeper and those brands get enduring value. So that's
(11:47):
the big opportunity that we have, not just for the
Premiership but throughout the community, is to really be able
to activate and demonstrate that lifetime value of a fan.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Well to be it, you've got to see it, as
they say, aspirational inspiration of this is great stuff. Does
this do anything as far as the sabbatical conversation is
concerned about players going away and have you rung up
Mark Foster and said it's okay, we don't need to
join with the Australians.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Now, Well, I think you know what I'm really proud
of is Australia hold the Nepleworld Cup and their number
one in the world. But our Silver Ferns are the
team that have beaten them most frequently in the last
few years. So we have a competition that is creating
(12:33):
and demonstrating that the Silver ferns that come out of
it can beat the very best in the world. We're
balancing that with the need to show some flexibility and
understand what might be right for an individual player, whilst
at the same time saying, you know, our A and
Z Premiership product is strong, the ferns that it produces
(12:57):
are beating the best in the world, and we've got
this exciting bunch of new players still coming through. So
that is it's critical for us to be able to
keep showing that and doing that because we know it's
a formula that is leading to success. So there's going
to be a balancing act between you know, what's right
(13:17):
for the players and what is right for the competition.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
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Speaker 2 (13:28):
Talks at B twenty after seven and this is Newstalk
zed B. It was Jenny Wiley, chief executive Officer of
Netball at New Zealand. It has taken some time. It's
been a busy last seven eight days for Netball New Zealand.
There worked out what they're going to do about giving
players a chance a sabbatical to disappear and maybe make
(13:51):
some more money. Ye'll still be selected for the Ferns
last a couple of players to injury. And now they've
revealed the details of their new broadcast agreement with TV
in zed and I believe there's also more details on
an expanded program coming out tomorrow too. More on that then,
(14:12):
But to the sponsorship, to the broadcast deal, this is
this is the most important thing, fairly simple question for
you all out there. If you play the game, you
watch the game, you enjoy the game, your children play
the game. Is interest in the game. It doesn't sound
like there's a lot of money engaged in this. It
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doesn't sound there's a lot of money involved. They will
never give you the details. Netball and New Zeland are
putting some money into that. You hope it about a
leverage it back in other ways. But is this a
good result for netball in this country? Looking at it
from very young ages when players first start playing, predominantly
young women, but not exclusively so right the way through
(14:54):
to when they develop and they start getting to a
stage where national netball is up and running, they can
play Premiership netball and move on. So, as I said
in that chat, to your I've got to see it
and when I was young, you saw everything on air
because it was free to air back in those healthyon days.
So is this a good result for netball New Zealand?
(15:16):
Will you watch? Is this enough now to get you
back into netball? Same with your children as well if
they are playing. How valuable is this for New Zealand
netball that it's going to be on TV and Z
that's the premiership, the ain Z Premiership. Next year netball
will be free to air first time the whole series
(15:38):
has been since what eighteen years now? So you're going
to watch more? Are you going to engauge? Is it
going to lift your participation? Is it going to encourage
your children, your friends, your fano to get into the game.
Is this a good result for netball New Zealand? It's
taken long enough eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I think
(16:01):
it's a great result. There's a few reasons for that.
I'll explain them and the piece, but I want to
know what you think. Do you think it is a
good result? It's taken long enough. About time it's come out.
Happy days, free to wear netball? Your thoughts coming up
next here on News Talk zb Lean target.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
On the right call is your call on eight eighty
Sports Talk call on your home of Sports News Talk
ZBar So can you come your seven.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Five Sports Walk Carry News Talks the b Big Day
four New Zealand's at netball. It's a pretty big last
seven or eight days, good results. It's only for a year.
Jenny Wiley, the CEO of Neport, New Zealand, explained that
the feast is a movable one. Things change, so they've
got one year locked down twenty twenty six where the
(17:02):
A n Z Premiership will be free to air. Is this,
in your opinion a good result?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Will you watch?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Is that enough to get you going? And I think
this is a good news story for a number of reasons.
One of those reasons is I go back to my youth,
see them on TV for free and you want to play.
That's simple. And I expect there's a lot of New
Zealand that are cut out of that because they simply
can't afford pay TV. So in that respect, it's a
(17:32):
game for all. It's huge.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
I love this.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Chris welcome, what do you think?
Speaker 9 (17:40):
Who a couple of comments? Yeah, I've got two grandels
are very keen young netballers and the family haven't got
Sky because they know two other forms of entertainment, so
they're certainly keen. The thing that I mean, the thing
that concerns me is TV Insad are clearly not making
any money. I mean they've had a lot of they've
(18:01):
had a lot of redundances, they've cut stuff back when
they took When they took over from Spark, they were
very quick to act things like the tennis, which I
enjoyed pretty quickly because clearly they couldn't afford to play
the ATP. And you know what happened with cricket.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
I mean.
Speaker 9 (18:22):
They got two years in it and it's gone back
to Sky. So Mike, my issue would be, is there
going to be any consistency?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Well, because it's only a one year contract, you're right
to think that if it does get a huge amount
of traction, maybe some pain networks might suddenly show interest.
That means the price goes up. So the consistency of
what gets you it's maybe a year, but what else
is that all? Is that a tease?
Speaker 9 (18:51):
Yeah? And what happens clearly I would say Sky are
probably going to a Sky going to show the silver
FIR for example.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, they still are, They're still contracted to do that.
So maybe all the people watching free to wear netball,
it might mean they might consider paying a subscription to
watch the top level stuff, or or.
Speaker 9 (19:15):
Sky might be generous enough to put the International netball
on their new acquired free to ear channel three.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, nice phrase, might be generous. This is a commercial world,
isn't it. Sadly, Chris, I don't think they would, but
would that encourage maybe TV indeed to go, you know,
we are going to become the home of netball, because
that's what Jenny Wiley was saying, and for them to
reach out and go, actually, we want the fans and
we're willing to pay a premium for it because we've
(19:44):
only got so many sports and this one is the
biggest sport for women in the country. It's but participated
in watch. So it's a massive property, is it not? Oh?
Speaker 9 (19:58):
Totally. The other thing is, you know, it'll be a
shame if you, okay, you watch the AZ competition or
domestic competition whatever it's going to b and then and
then they can't get access to what's the internationals unless
you've unless you've got Sky. I mean look, you know,
take the NPC. I mean, how many people watch the NPC? Now,
pretty i'd guarantee the numbers watching NPC, well, don wouldn't you?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
And probably for a number of reasons, not just necessary
where the platform is that people can pick up.
Speaker 9 (20:30):
Pictures and that might go back because I mean, by
the way I've read the Rugby Union, they can say
what they like, but I reckon they clearly love or
Sky would clearly love get Sorry not not the Rugby Union,
bigger patterner. Sky would clearly love to get rid of
(20:50):
the NPC.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Well, I'm sure it's extremely expensive for them. What are
they a lost leader? They get people involved and you
get this as well, so they climb and not lost
leaders not work because people don't buy Sky the MPC.
It's just a necessary evil, I suppose, isn't it? For Sky?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It is.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
But at the end of the day, if I can,
I mean, whatever happens, clearly they're not going to achiev
isn't going to be aren't going to be able to
pay what Sky has been paying. And the other thing
is the competition might be not quite as strong for
a while if suddenly twelve of their top netballers exit
to play in the Australian competition.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Well, the controls there and Chris, thanks very much for
your call. As always, the controls there. It was all
worth nepl New Zealand now last year last week sorry,
they came out with the edict around what they're doing
in the professional space and what they're doing with players
who go on sabbatical whether they're able to represent and play.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
For the.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Dress again, and it was a little ambiguous the release
they put out. Basically, there is a process now where
the players can apply for dispensation to play an Aussie
and then also the same year represent New Zealand and
pick up that black dress light on detail, which is
(22:16):
by design I expect. I don't think, Chris, they're going
to let players disappear wholesale and come back again. They
need It's like New Zealand rugby with the all blacks, right,
they need that black juicy, that black dress to try
and encourage people to stay. But this is good right
(22:36):
money in the game and I think it's the next
tier of money. We'll talk more about that later. It
is a seven thirty one. This is News Talk ZB
You're on Sports Talk, Free to Wear net A and
Z Premiership next year? Is it a good result? Will
you start watching now? It's not going to cost you anything?
How good is it for the youth? Brilliant talk small
(23:04):
cheese out she said, orne nice to meet you to NDS,
get up sports talk on news talks abalk netpor Currently
(23:27):
he's selling neple of saying of the dodlane or is
the TV in Z saying. I don't know whose signs
were But next year the am Z Premiership will be
free to air. Free to air. It is only one
year mine the rapidly changing nature of the media landscape,
according to Jenny White and the CEO who joined us before,
as part of the reason behind that, it's been a
(23:50):
negotiation for a long time. Maybe they couldn't stretch beyond
that one year. Maybe the traction that it gets with
free to air will in turn make TV and Z go.
Actually we want this for longer. We saw a lot
of advertising around. This has worked really well because TV
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and Z after all, is supposed to be the TV
station of the nation and if they can reflect the
wants and the desires of the nation in a sporting
perspective for half of the population, because predominantly it is
a game for the way they might want to keep this,
(24:32):
and I would say that New Zealand Netball should better
leverage this when it comes to things like on court advertising,
the nature of the dress and the advertising on that.
There's got to be a way to leverage this because
if they are putting their own money into this, plainly,
(24:54):
it's not a windfall. So it's that balance between money
and eyeballs and what's more important. And I'd suggest that
eyeballs would eventually trump money money, if that makes sense.
Quite get the answer I wanted out of Jenny Wiley,
But what is more important? You got X or X
(25:17):
to the power of ten, but X to the power
of ten didn't guarantee as many people watching it. Which
way would you go? They could trumpet this success? Another
reason behind that trumpeting that success taken so long. It's
finally finished, but it's not finished because I'm sure they're
in negotiation again to get it sorted out for twenty
(25:39):
twenty six, twenty twenty seven, Sorry, twenty six is next year.
I'm it's called being at level fifty five. You forget
what year you're in. And that's my new term for age.
I'm not saying years old anymore. I'm giving up with it.
I don't know if it'll stick, but I'll try. Tim
right zakioa da Si. Unlike you, I'm not convernced. It's
(26:02):
a lack of long term certainty including contracts payment onded
to New Zealand. Two, exposure to overseas markets. Three level
of competition, no me, thank you, Tim. I think that.
Jenny pointed out that the success, the relative success of
(26:23):
the Silver Ferns over the March celebrated Australian competition diamonds
through their Super Netball competition, they've actually acquitted themselves extraordinarily
well and they've done that on the base of the Premiership,
So that level of competition is still plainly very very high.
(26:49):
Exposure overseas markets, that's a thought. But what is of
more value to netball? Is it cradling their local fans?
Is it looking at to where it all comes from.
(27:09):
We've all seen what happened to New Zealand rugby when
they got all carried away and thought they're going to
sell this far and wide to everybody concern and we're
going to stretch the legs of Super rugby Argentina in
Japan and did it work. No, Maybe keeping it local,
keeping it very focused on who it's important to, which
(27:31):
is New Zealanders. It's the best move for New Zealand netball.
John says the CEO has dropped the ball here massively.
It's obvious, isn't it. Well, why is it obvious? John?
Give us a ring and tell us why it's obvious. Well,
(27:53):
I don't think it is obvious. They needed a broadcast
partner and they need the way to best project their game,
to encourage people into the game and to pay their debts,
and they can do that through eyeballs right, And I
don't think there are any other position to do anything else. Hey,
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Darcy writes Shane, free to wear is good for a
bigger cat of audience. It's bad that I think the
bottom has formed out of a salary cat. Many more
Tier two players to be looking offshore giving the salaries
are sure to crash their Shane, how that is sorted?
I don't know. The money in sport isn't like it
used to be. And when you look at a NEPA,
(28:39):
which is hugely popular here in New Zealand, we've had
great success globally. It's a second cousin to basketball and
needbel probably don't want to hear that, but it is
our gain in Australia and England, Jamaica, so it does
have a footprint and New Zealand netple's responsibility is to
(29:02):
foster the growth of the sport. Won't look after the kids,
and you don't expose them to the sport, and you
don't encourage kids to play the sport, You've got no
future and just look at the top tier, look at
what's coming through that will secure a future, John Wright,
(29:25):
surely Sky has stats that don't look good. I either
would have low balled their offer. That possibly they did,
but they won't share the finer details of these negotiations, John,
so we don't know. It's seven forty one Sports Talk
on News talkszb Marz writes Darcy, we need to look
(29:46):
at the Dellan and the Warriors dilemma on what would
happen if that was the All Blacks. He would have,
hands down be dropped. What is it about Lee with
our art is accountable? Well, muzz faith and players is
very important and that right edge issue is not just
Dlan the numb, but the fact is involved in that
(30:10):
chaos and coming up next, we'll look at this warrious
team that's been announced to play the Dolphins on Friday night.
Richard Barnett joins us to pick that side to pieces
some pretty big changes injury induced. More about that coming
up shortly here on News Talks that Sports. Looking on
(30:50):
that news talk, ZB text to Darcy, I'm enjoying the show.
Did you know Sir Michael Hill passed away today? Yes,
very well aware of that's being as are up here
at news talks EB. Not a lot gets past. Us said,
I thought it was worth a mention given how much
Sir Michael did for golf in particular, and worth absolutely
(31:12):
what he's done for golf. That Hill's golf course is
something else. It's extraordinary. I'm not allowed to play in
it because I've got no money and I can't play
golf on my knees gone. But I have been assured
by some people in high positions, as I grovel for
long and half, I might be able to get around,
but I can't play because my knees cactus. So let's
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wait till that kids fixed. But yeah, I rest in peace,
Sir Michael. You've had quite the life, quite the career.
And your engagement with golf has been noted, respected and enjoyed. Right,
let's move on now to the Warriors. A number of
changes within the Warriors side. That team came out at
six o'clock today, That team on Friday is going to
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take on the Dolphins. There have been changes and the
big changes are at six, eight and nine all through injury.
We joined now by Richard Barnett to take a look
at these changes and his thoughts.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
Good evening, Richie, Good evening, Darcy.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
A few surprises in the Wars team, maybe not the
ones that we expected, and we'll talk about the complaints
around the edge shortly. But there's been injuries and there
are some big changes within the side. What's your initial
reaction to the changes and where they actually have been.
I suppose that the big one. What would be the
(32:37):
big one for you? What would it be to Mighty
Martin coming in at six? Would it be Dementric vaymong
Are coming in for James Fisher, Harris or Sam Healy
in the hooking role, Because there's a reasonably big changes
all from injury.
Speaker 8 (32:51):
Oh Jeeves, I think it's a combination of all the
players since there If we're looking at obviously injuries, and
then the chemistry of players and then understanding then it
all has an effect. I mean, I love what Sam
here has done. I really enjoy his style of play.
Dimitri comes in for Forsher Harris, which is going to
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be a massive test for him. Forsher Harris has got numbers,
he's got a plays for the four minutes and this
kid has been outstanding, so it's a chance. It's a
chance for him to step up, which is great. The
bench changes tay until a picky comes into it. Freddy
Lassak comes into the bench again. Freddy's been playing really
(33:35):
good football in New South Wales. Carp and Taine can
fit into that spine quite easily. So a lot of changes,
a lot of opportunities again, but there's some the changes
will have some effect in some way.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Ideally not want you want to do coming up against
the Dolphins, even that it's home on the back of
which was a pretty underwhelming loss over the weekend to
the Titans. So to jig together a team facing that,
how do these guys go about bearing for that because
they've panicked in the other decisions. I see that we've
(34:10):
got the same wingman that's caused a bit of grief
in Dulan Martiney's LEGNIAX, so we'll expand on that edge
as well.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
This is difficult, Yeah, it is difficult. I think the
Dolphins are interesting. So they've got a couple of players
coming back. I mean they've got threat all across the
field with Tobo Fedo, and then you've got Herbie Farnworth
who's been somewhat an incredible center. I mean I really
enjoy his play. Cody comes back into the freight six
(34:38):
after an injury, and you've got this incredible, gifted young
player called Cartella. I mean, he is something special that
I love seeing him play. And then not a lot
has said, but I really like Marshall King. I think
he's been really extraordinary for the Dolphins. In the last week,
cal Fusi comes back into play, so he features in
number ten so, and then you've got also sorry Mark
(35:01):
Nichols who comes back from injury so and Josh Kurt.
So you've got some serious amount of players there from
origin experience coming into the play and they can put
points on you real quick. You know, they've put in
the last probably in three or four weeks, they could
put forty points on you real quick. So the essence
of their play, I think for the Warriors and if
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the weathers it looks like it's not great at the moment,
it looks like the weather could improve for the Friday,
but me personally, if it's wet, they need to make
it really aggressive. They need to make their stay in
Auckland one of those times where the teams come in
to Ackland go oh it's raining again, and make it
real bad so physicality and make it the worst day
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they could ever experience.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Any surprise to you that is Alesniak's basically been the
target of a lot of trolls over the last couple
of months with his possessional play. He's still there, which
has says to me that Webs has got a huge
amount of faith in what he's doing. But you know,
being a former professional, that you can't hang it all
on Darlin Muttened's a lesni act. This this right edge
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essue that they've had, No.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
There's been so many injuries concerns on that right edge.
They've been in and outs right throughout this whole season.
And there's chemistry, there's understanding of players and how they react.
There's a balance between decision making in terms of the
new people coming in. So no, he's got an element
where he's got to improve. He's no doubt he's coming
through an injury and he's got to improve. He's got
(36:34):
to get better, there's no question about that. And I
thought last week was a little bit better than what
I've seen in the last week. He's really been aggressive
and carrying the boy out of trouble and Cape Well
has been another player that probably came in a number
of times last week that that created a try. So again,
it's it's a tough decision making on the edge. I
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think people realize how hard it is to defend.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Tell me about defending an agent about the positional play.
A number of people may put their hands up and go, well,
it's his fault. He makes all the wrong decisions, and
it's very obvious when he's made the wrong decision. But
esp I suppose between players the ability to read the
play and what goes on there and playing behind all
(37:20):
these blokes you know about body position, about feints, about
shows in their position too, what does it rely on?
Because there's a number of processes here right the way
from the edge of the pack right the way through.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
It's controlling the right first and foremost, and then on
the edge. I mean we get to set on TV
and it's slow mo and you make decisions.
Speaker 9 (37:43):
Go wow, what do you do that?
Speaker 8 (37:45):
The outdoor side defenders have got probably a fraction of
a second to make a decision. It's not that easy.
And if their body is turned in, the natural instinct
is going and jamming. So it's all about body positioning.
It is all about how they construct a set piece
to engage the third manner. So if you've got someone
(38:07):
like Karen Fawn who digs deep into the line, that
means there's less time for the outside the right side
of the defense of the Warriors to make decisions. So
that means they are holding off and they have to
make a split decision to whether they come in hold off.
And it's difficult. It is so difficult, and it requires
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such a chemistry between all players, plus communication, plus everything else.
They have to make a decision when there is so
much shape coming at you. It's not easy.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Opposition players they know when there is trouble on an
edge or anywhere in a team, how much of a
part do they play in exposing that weakness that the
team has, because I expect they'll be looking at tells
as well that understand when things are a little shaky,
and they would benefit from that by peeling it open.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
I agree. So Cartoa and his wisdom and his ability
will come out and probably epithet that left the right
edge attack of the Warriors one because he's got such
an amazing talent to either hold off a ball and
a short ball or to a sweeping runner. He can
read a plug very well. His vision is incredible. So
(39:23):
I think they're going to have to be at their best.
I think defensively, their ruck has to be so strong
in terms of controlling the speed of the ruck, but
also the decision making on their edge because you've got
two very accomplished players, cartoua young amazing and the Carema
who's coming back to New Zealand to showcase what he's
done this year. He's been outstanding too.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
So controls defensive on the edge, who do you look to?
Is it a case of everybody carrying a tiny bit
of responsibilities and does it all come from the halves?
Where does those commands come from?
Speaker 8 (39:57):
Well, it's really hard because you're throwing decoy runners and
holding up the defense for that fraction of a second.
So you're going to make decisions based on shape where
they'll have players who will go to the line late,
and then the outside has a split decision to make.
It's not easy. So it's actually a ray of things
where you've got right in the middle, we've got your
(40:19):
first receiving, the second receiver, how they move the ball
out wide, and then defensively, you've got to get up
and make them make a decision early. I think that
really starts from the inside out, and then the decision
making from the outside, ensuring that they've got confidence, they've
got chemistry between the players and the communications on call.
(40:40):
I wish it was that easy when you see it
on screen, when.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
People make decisions and they go why did he do that?
Speaker 8 (40:46):
It is not that easy.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
The DMO. We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk.
Speaker 9 (40:55):
News.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
It's so easy to watch a game like that and go, oh,
he went the wrong way, it's his fault, sacking when
the coach Webster knows that that's more about rugby league
than your average half cut fan who probably lost some
money because the Warriors got beaten, and to change out
(41:22):
dull and now with all of these other changes would
be insane. He will get better remember the faith than
Andrew Webster had in the six seven pairing that everybody
wrote off after Las Vegas. Well that worked out well,
except they're both injured now, which is not so good.
Speaker 10 (41:38):
I think you just distilled the real pleasure of watching
sport right there. It's sitting on your couch watching someone
in supremely athletic and well trained do something slightly wrong
and then calling for them to lose their job right
before you reach over and grab another fist full of
corn chips and shove them in your mouth.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
And that's it. Wash it down with second. I can't
wait for the Dolphins. It'd be huge. It was a
little underwhelming that match. Chins and Nickel, Clockstad at fullback,
Wating He's lesh Niak on one wing on to the
Roger two, Vasar Chick, Pompey and Katewell up the guts.
(42:16):
That's in the center, Tomighty, Martin Tanner Boy to your haves,
Dimitric bar among the Sam Heley, Jackson Ford and then
Leck of the wrecker Halsima Marata near Corre and Aaron mclark.
That's your thirteen to a peaky Laban Lussic and Stoward
Smith makeup the Interchange and it's coming up on Friday
night at eight o'clock. I'm Darcy Watergrave. Thanks as Miller Chick. Bye.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Evening. There's a sports talk on news Talks there B.
My name is Darcy Aldergrave with the three eight o'clock
tonight as we talk sport but a netball, but a
rugby league. That's the flavor at a seven past seven.
It's a Tuesday, twenty ninth of July twenty twenty five.
Later of the piece, rich Barnett joins us to look
at Warriors team, naming a number of players out with injury.
(00:57):
There have been I won't say wholesale changes, but considerable
spine adjustments. The chira practor has been at the Warriors.
I will talk Richie about that. Zealisniak retains his place
discussion around that as well. But the big news of
the day, it's only broke in the last half an
hour or so his Netball New Zealand have finally secured
(01:21):
broadcast rights for the a n Z Premiership. CEO of
Netball New Zealand, Jenny Wiley, to join us shortly to
talk about with whom for how long, how much, what
do they hope to gain out of it? And so on?
And so forth, and we'll take your calls on this,
this free to wear netball coverage for next year. Is
(01:41):
this going to change your viewing habits when it comes
to netball? Is this good for the game? Are you
going to engage now that it's free to wear? We'll
talk about that up after Jenny Wiley, But before Jenny, well,
you know what's going to happen. How about this today?
(02:02):
And it's for today. Roger q vs. Shek's traveling well,
isn't understatement? I have the league to Rugby to league
convert might have been back to Rugby ginning to believe
the Rumors had a fine weekend on the wing, even
though those teams struggled against the table anchoring the Titans
and with the triumph two hundred and seventy six run
meetings last week, Rogers, all.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Right, we'll getting to the team. I feel good, you know,
I feel like I'm saying so again to a groover.
I starting to work out the level of today's in Irland.
I'm feeling good. I'm happy just to be doing my
role the the best I can and just keep turning.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Up up until about half an hour ago, you see
a netball being pointed in the direction of Ossie super
Netball by former silver fern Mard Foster, even if it.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Was two teams. So you've got a higher ischelon of
athlete coming through, have our elite, top of the line
high performance athletes to be mixing it up, and the
probably the best competition in the world tv INC.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Says Na Key. We swim star and defending Forner made
an individual MEDILEAGU champ Lewis, but believes training failure has
added to his preparation this year.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
You know, leading into Paris last year, I was swimming
really well every single day, but this year, you know,
it hasn't been as consistent, and I think mentally it
has made me a little bit stronger because I'm failing.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
And the Breakers are unicorn hunting. They're looking for a
big man who can assist that each end of the court,
says President of Basketball Operations Dylan Boucher. What a title.
I'd almost take the job on just for the title
president of b ball ops love it.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
We're probably getting a little bit greedy and want to
have a bit of everything, so we're really taking our
time for now and find the right guy. And we've
got a few prospects on our listen at the moment
that we're working through and hopefully within the coming weeks
we'll be able to now down exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Who their player is.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Follow the rainbow path. There lurkis the unicorn. I'm not
quite sure it's the end you want, but there you go.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And that sport today.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Great news story for netball. Forty old minutes ago, news
came out the New Zealand Netball have finally found a
broadcast rights partner for the A n Z Premiership. To
talk about it now, is Netball New Zealand's chief executive
Jenny Wiley. Jenny, welcome to the program. I suppose first out,
(04:31):
what's the nature of the deal.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Well, you know what, netball is going home. It's going
back to where it first started. So the A and
Z Premiership for twenty twenty six will be live and
free on TV and Z and TV and Z Plus.
And we're delighted. This is where netball started.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
It started.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
You know, the first time that women's sport was available
on broadcast was with TV and Z and that's where
we're heading.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Eighteen years eighteen years since has been on free to
wear TV. In a deal like this, this's a big
move for NET or a big move for TV and Z.
Why that's so confident to climb on board with this competition,
do you think? Well?
Speaker 7 (05:16):
I think there's a real inextricable value around what nebel
does for community, what it does for our people, our
young ones, and to be able to provide our fans
and our players with a visible competition that everyone throughout
New Zealand will be able to see is just absolutely
(05:40):
exciting and I'm thrilled that TV and z's are getting
in behind us and wanting to support women's sport in
this way.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I have to ask, I know your own answer, because
that's the nature of it. How much are you getting?
Have you taken a hit from last time round or not?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well?
Speaker 7 (05:56):
I think what we all know is the media market
has shifted. It's really challenging out there, as is commercial
and broadcast people. New Zealand will be investing in this,
but we're currently in talks with partners around how we
can get some additional support so that value proposition can
(06:17):
be sort of supported throughout our community, not just through
NET on New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Okay, so you probably haven't got as much as you'd like,
but that negotiating process. Are you happy enough and is
that why it took so long just wrestling over the price.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
Well, I think what we really wanted is to make
sure that wherever we landed, it provided value back to
our fans and that our sport was visible. So what
we're going to see is, you know, three games a
weekend on Saturdays and Sundays, and it'll be available to
kiwis throughout the links and breadth of this country and
(06:57):
all our communities, not just some of the communities. And
I think you know those those qualities as much as
any financials, they're all equally as important. So I think
where we're at it's going to give our people the
opportunity to see Netbull again, as you say, eighteen years
that we have been away from free to air in
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this kind of capacity, So be exciting to see where
it can take us.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
It's plenty of very important that free to our aspect.
But you'd suggest Sky is still carrying the silver ferns,
aren't they. They turned up and said no, I'm going
to give you this amount, So it's going to be
behind a paywall. It'd be hard to walk from that.
What I'm trying to say, is how much in kind?
How much value is free to wear worth to you?
You'd be willing to take a bit of a hit
(07:46):
on that money to get it out there?
Speaker 8 (07:48):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Primary? You see where I'm going with this, Jenny.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
Oh okay, I understand, and I think all sport are
going to be facing into that very question around how
do you diversify where your revenue streams come from. So
what we are really seeing is a massive uptack in
our global viewership and that's an area that we've got
(08:11):
to explore more and how our people and our fans consume,
so the traditional media model will change. What we do
know is linear remains really important, but you do need
to look at other forms of how people consume the
channels that they consume on. So that's all part of
our future strategy. But where we find ourselves for twenty
(08:34):
twenty six is a place where we have the opportunity
to really reach back into those communities that are playing
our game and also want to view it, and that
they're staunch supporters of the commercial partners that get in
behind it too.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Only a one year deal, Jenny Wally, You SEEO Netborn
New Zealand likely to go on after that, Why only
one year?
Speaker 7 (08:55):
Well, as you know, things are shifting pretty quickly in
the media environment, and for us, we do have a
long term vision for the premiership and part of that
means that we need to keep our options open for
what it might look like from twenty six and beyond.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Were you negotiating with anybody else that anyone else raise
a flag and say, hey, we wouldn't mind having a
chat or was it? Was it solely TVNZ?
Speaker 7 (09:22):
Well, I think we had we had all of the
traditional media partners in the mix, but there are new
and different ways of delivering content and providing your product
that remain in the mix, and there conversations that we
are still pursuing. But certainly for twenty six, this was
(09:44):
where we wanted to head strategically, and we will continue
those conversations as we look further beyond this year.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Plus Association happy, If they're happy, I'm presuming everyone's going
to get paid. Okay, I don't know how much it's
going to be. You're not going to tell me, But
are they happy enough for what you've settled on next year? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (10:03):
We've worked really closely along with the Players Association in
all facets of the negotiation, whether it be the broadcast
or what it means for the players or the environment.
And so they're being well engaged on this and we're
working really closely with them currently. We're delighted that it
(10:24):
won't be too far off before the contracting windows for
our players can open. So yeah, it's been a long
and engaged process with them, but we've kept them, you know,
fully abreast the whole time.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, and you'll be exhausted. So with this though, does
that help with leverage the free to wear, with naming
rights for the kit and things like that. You've got
to try and get what you can out of the stone,
you So that's got to be a leg up for
the eyeballs.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
Well, I think it's fantastic. And once we're able to
announce the scheduling and lock that in, I think, you know,
having a home for nitball where it is visible across
the links and breadth to the country can only improve
those commercial propositions and the opportunity for brands to kind
of get in behind New Zealand's number one sport for
(11:16):
women and girls and actually reach into the community.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Space because this is a sport that goes.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
Right from the very very elite, right down to those
grassroots where those kids have their first touch of the game,
and that kind of relationship is enduring and it goes
beyond just you know, a couple of seasons on a
TV domestic greening or on an elite competition. It actually
goes deeper and those brands get enduring value. So that's
(11:47):
the big opportunity that we have, not just for the
Premiership but throughout the community, is to really be able
to activate and demonstrate that lifetime value of a fan.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Well to be it, you've got to see it, as
they say, aspirational inspiration of this is great stuff. Does
this do anything as far as the sabbatical conversation is
concerned about players going away and have you rung up
Mark Foster and said it's okay, we don't need to
join with the Australians.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Now, Well, I think you know what I'm really proud
of is Australia hold the Nepleworld Cup and their number
one in the world. But our Silver Ferns are the
team that have beaten them most frequently in the last
few years. So we have a competition that is creating
(12:33):
and demonstrating that the Silver ferns that come out of
it can beat the very best in the world. We're
balancing that with the need to show some flexibility and
understand what might be right for an individual player, whilst
at the same time saying, you know, our A and
Z Premiership product is strong, the ferns that it produces
(12:57):
are beating the best in the world, and we've got
this exciting bunch of new players still coming through. So
that is it's critical for us to be able to
keep showing that and doing that because we know it's
a formula that is leading to success. So there's going
to be a balancing act between you know, what's right
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for the players and what is right for the competition.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Hear it from the biggest names in sports and then
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Speaker 2 (13:28):
Talks at B twenty after seven and this is Newstalk
zed B. It was Jenny Wiley, chief executive Officer of
Netball at New Zealand. It has taken some time. It's
been a busy last seven eight days for Netball New Zealand.
There worked out what they're going to do about giving
players a chance a sabbatical to disappear and maybe make
(13:51):
some more money. Ye'll still be selected for the Ferns
last a couple of players to injury. And now they've
revealed the details of their new broadcast agreement with TV
in zed and I believe there's also more details on
an expanded program coming out tomorrow too. More on that then,
(14:12):
But to the sponsorship, to the broadcast deal, this is
this is the most important thing, fairly simple question for
you all out there. If you play the game, you
watch the game, you enjoy the game, your children play
the game. Is interest in the game. It doesn't sound
like there's a lot of money engaged in this. It
(14:32):
doesn't sound there's a lot of money involved. They will
never give you the details. Netball and New Zeland are
putting some money into that. You hope it about a
leverage it back in other ways. But is this a
good result for netball in this country? Looking at it
from very young ages when players first start playing, predominantly
young women, but not exclusively so right the way through
(14:54):
to when they develop and they start getting to a
stage where national netball is up and running, they can
play Premiership netball and move on. So, as I said
in that chat, to your I've got to see it
and when I was young, you saw everything on air
because it was free to air back in those healthyon days.
So is this a good result for netball New Zealand?
(15:16):
Will you watch? Is this enough now to get you
back into netball? Same with your children as well if
they are playing. How valuable is this for New Zealand
netball that it's going to be on TV and Z
that's the premiership, the ain Z Premiership. Next year netball
will be free to air first time the whole series
(15:38):
has been since what eighteen years now? So you're going
to watch more? Are you going to engauge? Is it
going to lift your participation? Is it going to encourage
your children, your friends, your fano to get into the game.
Is this a good result for netball New Zealand? It's
taken long enough eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I think
(16:01):
it's a great result. There's a few reasons for that.
I'll explain them and the piece, but I want to
know what you think. Do you think it is a
good result? It's taken long enough. About time it's come out.
Happy days, free to wear netball? Your thoughts coming up
next here on News Talk zb Lean target.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
On the right call is your call on eight eighty
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Speaker 2 (16:39):
Five Sports Walk Carry News Talks the b Big Day
four New Zealand's at netball. It's a pretty big last
seven or eight days, good results. It's only for a year.
Jenny Wiley, the CEO of Neport, New Zealand, explained that
the feast is a movable one. Things change, so they've
got one year locked down twenty twenty six where the
(17:02):
A n Z Premiership will be free to air. Is this,
in your opinion a good result?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Will you watch?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Is that enough to get you going? And I think
this is a good news story for a number of reasons.
One of those reasons is I go back to my youth,
see them on TV for free and you want to play.
That's simple. And I expect there's a lot of New
Zealand that are cut out of that because they simply
can't afford pay TV. So in that respect, it's a
(17:32):
game for all. It's huge.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
I love this.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Chris welcome, what do you think?
Speaker 9 (17:40):
Who a couple of comments? Yeah, I've got two grandels
are very keen young netballers and the family haven't got
Sky because they know two other forms of entertainment, so
they're certainly keen. The thing that I mean, the thing
that concerns me is TV Insad are clearly not making
any money. I mean they've had a lot of they've
(18:01):
had a lot of redundances, they've cut stuff back when
they took When they took over from Spark, they were
very quick to act things like the tennis, which I
enjoyed pretty quickly because clearly they couldn't afford to play
the ATP. And you know what happened with cricket.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
I mean.
Speaker 9 (18:22):
They got two years in it and it's gone back
to Sky. So Mike, my issue would be, is there
going to be any consistency?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Well, because it's only a one year contract, you're right
to think that if it does get a huge amount
of traction, maybe some pain networks might suddenly show interest.
That means the price goes up. So the consistency of
what gets you it's maybe a year, but what else
is that all? Is that a tease?
Speaker 9 (18:51):
Yeah? And what happens clearly I would say Sky are
probably going to a Sky going to show the silver
FIR for example.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, they still are, They're still contracted to do that.
So maybe all the people watching free to wear netball,
it might mean they might consider paying a subscription to
watch the top level stuff, or or.
Speaker 9 (19:15):
Sky might be generous enough to put the International netball
on their new acquired free to ear channel three.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, nice phrase, might be generous. This is a commercial world,
isn't it. Sadly, Chris, I don't think they would, but
would that encourage maybe TV indeed to go, you know,
we are going to become the home of netball, because
that's what Jenny Wiley was saying, and for them to
reach out and go, actually, we want the fans and
we're willing to pay a premium for it because we've
(19:44):
only got so many sports and this one is the
biggest sport for women in the country. It's but participated
in watch. So it's a massive property, is it not? Oh?
Speaker 9 (19:58):
Totally. The other thing is, you know, it'll be a
shame if you, okay, you watch the AZ competition or
domestic competition whatever it's going to b and then and
then they can't get access to what's the internationals unless
you've unless you've got Sky. I mean look, you know,
take the NPC. I mean, how many people watch the NPC? Now,
pretty i'd guarantee the numbers watching NPC, well, don wouldn't you?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
And probably for a number of reasons, not just necessary
where the platform is that people can pick up.
Speaker 9 (20:30):
Pictures and that might go back because I mean, by
the way I've read the Rugby Union, they can say
what they like, but I reckon they clearly love or
Sky would clearly love get Sorry not not the Rugby Union,
bigger patterner. Sky would clearly love to get rid of
(20:50):
the NPC.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Well, I'm sure it's extremely expensive for them. What are
they a lost leader? They get people involved and you
get this as well, so they climb and not lost
leaders not work because people don't buy Sky the MPC.
It's just a necessary evil, I suppose, isn't it? For Sky?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It is.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
But at the end of the day, if I can,
I mean, whatever happens, clearly they're not going to achiev
isn't going to be aren't going to be able to
pay what Sky has been paying. And the other thing
is the competition might be not quite as strong for
a while if suddenly twelve of their top netballers exit
to play in the Australian competition.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Well, the controls there and Chris, thanks very much for
your call. As always, the controls there. It was all
worth nepl New Zealand now last year last week sorry,
they came out with the edict around what they're doing
in the professional space and what they're doing with players
who go on sabbatical whether they're able to represent and play.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
For the.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Dress again, and it was a little ambiguous the release
they put out. Basically, there is a process now where
the players can apply for dispensation to play an Aussie
and then also the same year represent New Zealand and
pick up that black dress light on detail, which is
(22:16):
by design I expect. I don't think, Chris, they're going
to let players disappear wholesale and come back again. They
need It's like New Zealand rugby with the all blacks, right,
they need that black juicy, that black dress to try
and encourage people to stay. But this is good right
(22:36):
money in the game and I think it's the next
tier of money. We'll talk more about that later. It
is a seven thirty one. This is News Talk ZB
You're on Sports Talk, Free to Wear net A and
Z Premiership next year? Is it a good result? Will
you start watching now? It's not going to cost you anything?
How good is it for the youth? Brilliant talk small
(23:04):
cheese out she said, orne nice to meet you to NDS,
get up sports talk on news talks abalk netpor Currently
(23:27):
he's selling neple of saying of the dodlane or is
the TV in Z saying. I don't know whose signs
were But next year the am Z Premiership will be
free to air. Free to air. It is only one
year mine the rapidly changing nature of the media landscape,
according to Jenny White and the CEO who joined us before,
as part of the reason behind that, it's been a
(23:50):
negotiation for a long time. Maybe they couldn't stretch beyond
that one year. Maybe the traction that it gets with
free to air will in turn make TV and Z go.
Actually we want this for longer. We saw a lot
of advertising around. This has worked really well because TV
(24:11):
and Z after all, is supposed to be the TV
station of the nation and if they can reflect the
wants and the desires of the nation in a sporting
perspective for half of the population, because predominantly it is
a game for the way they might want to keep this,
(24:32):
and I would say that New Zealand Netball should better
leverage this when it comes to things like on court advertising,
the nature of the dress and the advertising on that.
There's got to be a way to leverage this because
if they are putting their own money into this, plainly,
(24:54):
it's not a windfall. So it's that balance between money
and eyeballs and what's more important. And I'd suggest that
eyeballs would eventually trump money money, if that makes sense.
Quite get the answer I wanted out of Jenny Wiley,
But what is more important? You got X or X
(25:17):
to the power of ten, but X to the power
of ten didn't guarantee as many people watching it. Which
way would you go? They could trumpet this success? Another
reason behind that trumpeting that success taken so long. It's
finally finished, but it's not finished because I'm sure they're
in negotiation again to get it sorted out for twenty
(25:39):
twenty six, twenty twenty seven, Sorry, twenty six is next year.
I'm it's called being at level fifty five. You forget
what year you're in. And that's my new term for age.
I'm not saying years old anymore. I'm giving up with it.
I don't know if it'll stick, but I'll try. Tim
right zakioa da Si. Unlike you, I'm not convernced. It's
(26:02):
a lack of long term certainty including contracts payment onded
to New Zealand. Two, exposure to overseas markets. Three level
of competition, no me, thank you, Tim. I think that.
Jenny pointed out that the success, the relative success of
(26:23):
the Silver Ferns over the March celebrated Australian competition diamonds
through their Super Netball competition, they've actually acquitted themselves extraordinarily
well and they've done that on the base of the Premiership,
So that level of competition is still plainly very very high.
(26:49):
Exposure overseas markets, that's a thought. But what is of
more value to netball? Is it cradling their local fans?
Is it looking at to where it all comes from.
(27:09):
We've all seen what happened to New Zealand rugby when
they got all carried away and thought they're going to
sell this far and wide to everybody concern and we're
going to stretch the legs of Super rugby Argentina in
Japan and did it work. No, Maybe keeping it local,
keeping it very focused on who it's important to, which
(27:31):
is New Zealanders. It's the best move for New Zealand netball.
John says the CEO has dropped the ball here massively.
It's obvious, isn't it. Well, why is it obvious? John?
Give us a ring and tell us why it's obvious. Well,
(27:53):
I don't think it is obvious. They needed a broadcast
partner and they need the way to best project their game,
to encourage people into the game and to pay their debts,
and they can do that through eyeballs right, And I
don't think there are any other position to do anything else. Hey,
(28:18):
Darcy writes Shane, free to wear is good for a
bigger cat of audience. It's bad that I think the
bottom has formed out of a salary cat. Many more
Tier two players to be looking offshore giving the salaries
are sure to crash their Shane, how that is sorted?
I don't know. The money in sport isn't like it
used to be. And when you look at a NEPA,
(28:39):
which is hugely popular here in New Zealand, we've had
great success globally. It's a second cousin to basketball and
needbel probably don't want to hear that, but it is
our gain in Australia and England, Jamaica, so it does
have a footprint and New Zealand netple's responsibility is to
(29:02):
foster the growth of the sport. Won't look after the kids,
and you don't expose them to the sport, and you
don't encourage kids to play the sport, You've got no
future and just look at the top tier, look at
what's coming through that will secure a future, John Wright,
(29:25):
surely Sky has stats that don't look good. I either
would have low balled their offer. That possibly they did,
but they won't share the finer details of these negotiations, John,
so we don't know. It's seven forty one Sports Talk
on News talkszb Marz writes Darcy, we need to look
(29:46):
at the Dellan and the Warriors dilemma on what would
happen if that was the All Blacks. He would have,
hands down be dropped. What is it about Lee with
our art is accountable? Well, muzz faith and players is
very important and that right edge issue is not just
Dlan the numb, but the fact is involved in that
(30:10):
chaos and coming up next, we'll look at this warrious
team that's been announced to play the Dolphins on Friday night.
Richard Barnett joins us to pick that side to pieces
some pretty big changes injury induced. More about that coming
up shortly here on News Talks that Sports. Looking on
(30:50):
that news talk, ZB text to Darcy, I'm enjoying the show.
Did you know Sir Michael Hill passed away today? Yes,
very well aware of that's being as are up here
at news talks EB. Not a lot gets past. Us said,
I thought it was worth a mention given how much
Sir Michael did for golf in particular, and worth absolutely
(31:12):
what he's done for golf. That Hill's golf course is
something else. It's extraordinary. I'm not allowed to play in
it because I've got no money and I can't play
golf on my knees gone. But I have been assured
by some people in high positions, as I grovel for
long and half, I might be able to get around,
but I can't play because my knees cactus. So let's
(31:33):
wait till that kids fixed. But yeah, I rest in peace,
Sir Michael. You've had quite the life, quite the career.
And your engagement with golf has been noted, respected and enjoyed. Right,
let's move on now to the Warriors. A number of
changes within the Warriors side. That team came out at
six o'clock today, That team on Friday is going to
(31:56):
take on the Dolphins. There have been changes and the
big changes are at six, eight and nine all through injury.
We joined now by Richard Barnett to take a look
at these changes and his thoughts.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
Good evening, Richie, Good evening, Darcy.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
A few surprises in the Wars team, maybe not the
ones that we expected, and we'll talk about the complaints
around the edge shortly. But there's been injuries and there
are some big changes within the side. What's your initial
reaction to the changes and where they actually have been.
I suppose that the big one. What would be the
(32:37):
big one for you? What would it be to Mighty
Martin coming in at six? Would it be Dementric vaymong
Are coming in for James Fisher, Harris or Sam Healy
in the hooking role, Because there's a reasonably big changes
all from injury.
Speaker 8 (32:51):
Oh Jeeves, I think it's a combination of all the
players since there If we're looking at obviously injuries, and
then the chemistry of players and then understanding then it
all has an effect. I mean, I love what Sam
here has done. I really enjoy his style of play.
Dimitri comes in for Forsher Harris, which is going to
(33:12):
be a massive test for him. Forsher Harris has got numbers,
he's got a plays for the four minutes and this
kid has been outstanding, so it's a chance. It's a
chance for him to step up, which is great. The
bench changes tay until a picky comes into it. Freddy
Lassak comes into the bench again. Freddy's been playing really
(33:35):
good football in New South Wales. Carp and Taine can
fit into that spine quite easily. So a lot of changes,
a lot of opportunities again, but there's some the changes
will have some effect in some way.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Ideally not want you want to do coming up against
the Dolphins, even that it's home on the back of
which was a pretty underwhelming loss over the weekend to
the Titans. So to jig together a team facing that,
how do these guys go about bearing for that because
they've panicked in the other decisions. I see that we've
(34:10):
got the same wingman that's caused a bit of grief
in Dulan Martiney's LEGNIAX, so we'll expand on that edge
as well.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
This is difficult, Yeah, it is difficult. I think the
Dolphins are interesting. So they've got a couple of players
coming back. I mean they've got threat all across the
field with Tobo Fedo, and then you've got Herbie Farnworth
who's been somewhat an incredible center. I mean I really
enjoy his play. Cody comes back into the freight six
(34:38):
after an injury, and you've got this incredible, gifted young
player called Cartella. I mean, he is something special that
I love seeing him play. And then not a lot
has said, but I really like Marshall King. I think
he's been really extraordinary for the Dolphins. In the last week,
cal Fusi comes back into play, so he features in
number ten so, and then you've got also sorry Mark
(35:01):
Nichols who comes back from injury so and Josh Kurt.
So you've got some serious amount of players there from
origin experience coming into the play and they can put
points on you real quick. You know, they've put in
the last probably in three or four weeks, they could
put forty points on you real quick. So the essence
of their play, I think for the Warriors and if
(35:23):
the weathers it looks like it's not great at the moment,
it looks like the weather could improve for the Friday,
but me personally, if it's wet, they need to make
it really aggressive. They need to make their stay in
Auckland one of those times where the teams come in
to Ackland go oh it's raining again, and make it
real bad so physicality and make it the worst day
(35:46):
they could ever experience.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Any surprise to you that is Alesniak's basically been the
target of a lot of trolls over the last couple
of months with his possessional play. He's still there, which
has says to me that Webs has got a huge
amount of faith in what he's doing. But you know,
being a former professional, that you can't hang it all
on Darlin Muttened's a lesni act. This this right edge
(36:09):
essue that they've had, No.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
There's been so many injuries concerns on that right edge.
They've been in and outs right throughout this whole season.
And there's chemistry, there's understanding of players and how they react.
There's a balance between decision making in terms of the
new people coming in. So no, he's got an element
where he's got to improve. He's no doubt he's coming
through an injury and he's got to improve. He's got
(36:34):
to get better, there's no question about that. And I
thought last week was a little bit better than what
I've seen in the last week. He's really been aggressive
and carrying the boy out of trouble and Cape Well
has been another player that probably came in a number
of times last week that that created a try. So again,
it's it's a tough decision making on the edge. I
(36:56):
think people realize how hard it is to defend.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Tell me about defending an agent about the positional play.
A number of people may put their hands up and go, well,
it's his fault. He makes all the wrong decisions, and
it's very obvious when he's made the wrong decision. But
esp I suppose between players the ability to read the
play and what goes on there and playing behind all
(37:20):
these blokes you know about body position, about feints, about
shows in their position too, what does it rely on?
Because there's a number of processes here right the way
from the edge of the pack right the way through.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
It's controlling the right first and foremost, and then on
the edge. I mean we get to set on TV
and it's slow mo and you make decisions.
Speaker 9 (37:43):
Go wow, what do you do that?
Speaker 8 (37:45):
The outdoor side defenders have got probably a fraction of
a second to make a decision. It's not that easy.
And if their body is turned in, the natural instinct
is going and jamming. So it's all about body positioning.
It is all about how they construct a set piece
to engage the third manner. So if you've got someone
(38:07):
like Karen Fawn who digs deep into the line, that
means there's less time for the outside the right side
of the defense of the Warriors to make decisions. So
that means they are holding off and they have to
make a split decision to whether they come in hold off.
And it's difficult. It is so difficult, and it requires
(38:27):
such a chemistry between all players, plus communication, plus everything else.
They have to make a decision when there is so
much shape coming at you. It's not easy.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Opposition players they know when there is trouble on an
edge or anywhere in a team, how much of a
part do they play in exposing that weakness that the
team has, because I expect they'll be looking at tells
as well that understand when things are a little shaky,
and they would benefit from that by peeling it open.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
I agree. So Cartoa and his wisdom and his ability
will come out and probably epithet that left the right
edge attack of the Warriors one because he's got such
an amazing talent to either hold off a ball and
a short ball or to a sweeping runner. He can
read a plug very well. His vision is incredible. So
(39:23):
I think they're going to have to be at their best.
I think defensively, their ruck has to be so strong
in terms of controlling the speed of the ruck, but
also the decision making on their edge because you've got
two very accomplished players, cartoua young amazing and the Carema
who's coming back to New Zealand to showcase what he's
done this year. He's been outstanding too.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
So controls defensive on the edge, who do you look to?
Is it a case of everybody carrying a tiny bit
of responsibilities and does it all come from the halves?
Where does those commands come from?
Speaker 8 (39:57):
Well, it's really hard because you're throwing decoy runners and
holding up the defense for that fraction of a second.
So you're going to make decisions based on shape where
they'll have players who will go to the line late,
and then the outside has a split decision to make.
It's not easy. So it's actually a ray of things
where you've got right in the middle, we've got your
(40:19):
first receiving, the second receiver, how they move the ball
out wide, and then defensively, you've got to get up
and make them make a decision early. I think that
really starts from the inside out, and then the decision
making from the outside, ensuring that they've got confidence, they've
got chemistry between the players and the communications on call.
(40:40):
I wish it was that easy when you see it
on screen, when.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
People make decisions and they go why did he do that?
Speaker 8 (40:46):
It is not that easy.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
The DMO. We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk.
Speaker 9 (40:55):
News.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
It's so easy to watch a game like that and go, oh,
he went the wrong way, it's his fault, sacking when
the coach Webster knows that that's more about rugby league
than your average half cut fan who probably lost some
money because the Warriors got beaten, and to change out
(41:22):
dull and now with all of these other changes would
be insane. He will get better remember the faith than
Andrew Webster had in the six seven pairing that everybody
wrote off after Las Vegas. Well that worked out well,
except they're both injured now, which is not so good.
Speaker 10 (41:38):
I think you just distilled the real pleasure of watching
sport right there. It's sitting on your couch watching someone
in supremely athletic and well trained do something slightly wrong
and then calling for them to lose their job right
before you reach over and grab another fist full of
corn chips and shove them in your mouth.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
And that's it. Wash it down with second. I can't
wait for the Dolphins. It'd be huge. It was a
little underwhelming that match. Chins and Nickel, Clockstad at fullback,
Wating He's lesh Niak on one wing on to the
Roger two, Vasar Chick, Pompey and Katewell up the guts.
(42:16):
That's in the center, Tomighty, Martin Tanner Boy to your haves,
Dimitric bar among the Sam Heley, Jackson Ford and then
Leck of the wrecker Halsima Marata near Corre and Aaron mclark.
That's your thirteen to a peaky Laban Lussic and Stoward
Smith makeup the Interchange and it's coming up on Friday
night at eight o'clock. I'm Darcy Watergrave. Thanks as Miller Chick. Bye.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
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