July 30, 2025 • 43 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
School Sport NZ chair and Shirley Boys High principal on the ban on 'Year 14s'.
Lima Sopoaga on his return to New Zealand shores.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Happy Wednesday one and all. I'm going to sports Talk.
Great to have you all on board. My name is
Darcy Waltergrave. Here's from text Bang method. What a way
to contribute to society. Pollute the airwaves, hot takes everywhere
and that is my contribution to New Zealand's life. Thanks
(01:01):
for joining me. What have we got on today's show, Well,
we've got a whole bunch of you. Oh ain't hard
at eighty ten eighty at seven minutes after seven, we're
going to be talking about what is the purpose of
sport in school?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Shortly?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Are we going to be looking at that? If you
are unaware, today it was announced by a school sport
in z ssn Z that they've got a rough idea
about what they're going to do about year fourteen's competing
in top events such as rowing, the Mardy Cup, Verse
fifteen rugby, and their decision is no, you're not allowed to.
That's it. No year fourteen for you. If you want
(01:45):
to keep playing sport going to the real world, this
is going to be looked at. The stakeholders are involved
here in run through the document. They're going to object
to some bit, to agree with a whole lot more,
and then it will be ratified, rubber stand put into law,
if you will. And we'll be joined by Tim Grocott shortly.
He's the chair of school sport in that principal at
(02:07):
Chirley Boys High School joins us shortly to talk about that,
and then we'll look at the purpose of sport in school,
why it's there, what it does, What are you after?
What's required? The list goes on L eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. That's the number you're going to use. Lemosopolwana
(02:28):
joins us later in the piece too. He's coming back
to play rugby for the White couple year. He's been
overseas for eight years eight is it longer. It's a
long time. He's been over in England for I don't know,
three three something years, is over in France for a
couple of years, been in Japan for a couple of years,
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or maybe it's seven years. It's been a while. Anyway,
he's come back and he's going to play for the
White cottle for the Mulu. Apologies to Southland, but he is.
We're going to find out why, what drives him and
what he learned all that time over? Does he have
any regrets as an all black just apping sticks and bailing.
Do you feel bad? I'd say he doesn't. But anyway,
(03:12):
more from Lima's Supperwanga later on in the pace. But
for the here and now, we're going to do this
today and it's for today. Bid Priestman is the new
Phoenix Women's head coach. He's got a lot of beggage,
to be fair, after years, well after the last year's
(03:33):
regrettable drone affair, it's the best way to describe it.
But after her suspension for her role in the mess,
she's keen to move on from the controversy and keen
to move away from Canada.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
It was an absolute media frenzy. You know, You've got
people knocking at your door and everything, and I've got
a little boy, and I think, without going in too much,
it was very difficult for my family and that's the
most important thing to me. I think we knew we
had to get out of that country.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Lessens if you don't engage in underhanded behavior like that,
you don't have to run from anywhere, right, and not
much just for you, bib. I'm sure we've learnt those
less but for everybody else, control the narrative. Don't do
it the San Maclaus Chalky well this black Caps skipper
(04:23):
Mitch Santa said to him, Nor's team are taking the
Zimbabwe lightly in the cricket Test because Zimbabwe they've got
their cavalry riding in.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
So we watched the last couple of tests they played
against Africa. But it's a new looking team. Obviously Ben
Current's back Brendan Taylor as well, and so they've got
some good additions and ras is playing as well. So
they've got a good team and we know they're going
to be a challenge.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Gets underway at eight o'clock to Nightick gets that online
that I don't even know what TV three call. They're
online department. To be fair, I got our three now, thanks, thanks,
that's good. You train the boomers to what they're with.
I actually sat on TV three for fifteen minutes last
(05:05):
week I work out I couldn't find the final between
South Africa and the black Caps in that try series.
Took me good ten minutes to go, oh oh right,
it's online, damn Rob Penny, No, not him. Now, let's
do him sick and Jackson Ford is he spilled the beans?
(05:27):
Where exactly as Kurt Capbele playing on Friday nights. He
he's going back to back row.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
He's a world class back rower. So like I'm sure
all those people that are moving around.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
Oh, no, their job.
Speaker 8 (05:38):
Who's getting to center?
Speaker 9 (05:39):
No idea?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Sorry, he he just worked out.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
He wasn't supposed to say, no idea. What you're talking about?
What beans?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
What bean?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Rob Penny? Now we get tom Me. He was pretty
stressed about possibly losing his coaching role this time last
year and now he's fine. Now he's staying, not a problem.
Maybe you should stress about your best player walking instead. Right,
you know, sabbaticals, Scott Barrett.
Speaker 10 (06:04):
He's earnt the right and he needs you know that
has been knocked around you, both for the Crusaders and
for all back for a long time now. So as
Cody did eighteen months ago, I suspect he'll have a
good break.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
And that's sport today.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
We're moving now into sport in New Zealand. Schools just
caught up with the news that the School Sport in
New Zealand organization have put Ford a document that says
no more year fourteens at school. It's not right, it's bad,
it's wrong. It mostly comes from verse fifteen Rugby and
(06:42):
Marty Cart that's been the issue predominantly with kids too old,
too big, pretending to go to school another year and
all they wanted to do was really play sports. So they're
looking to stamp that out. To Grocott, chair of school
sport in Z also principal at Chiliboys Hi, he joins
us now to discuss term. I trust you well, yes,
(07:02):
I'm very good, Thank you, Darcy. Great to see the
information come out today that after a lengthy review, you
now have an idea around what you're doing with the
dreaded year fourteen situation. And I would say that the
proposed rule change is that there's a blanket ban on
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those students. Now this is a proposed rule change, What
hopes does they have to jump through to become I
suppose law for one of a better phrase.
Speaker 11 (07:33):
So what we've done is that we've spent a bit
of time working on these eligibility rules. I've now gone
out to schools, so out of principals and schools around
the country, and they have about six weeks now to
provide us with some feedback. So we're currently in a
consultation phase and we're hoping to get some really good
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engagement from Principles and schools around the country to give
us a bit of a stare as to where they
see these rules.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Now, this is not carved in stone. You're plainly interested
in feedback, so it could move, It couldn't wobble to
a degree.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Or yeah, it could do.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I mean we do it by in your review.
Speaker 11 (08:12):
So we're doing this every two years, so this is
as a fairly normal process. But I guess the nature
of the year fort En issue means that it's a
little bit more high profile than it's been in the past.
But I would like to think that we've spent quite
a bit of time looking at the eligibility rules. We
think they are in a good place. It probably reflects
where most schools are at, and therefore we're really keen
(08:37):
to get that feedback now and to get those locked
in for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
It sounds like when you went into this you did
have a mandate because the schools generally overwhelmingly is a
word voted in favor of this rule change. So it's
not like you're pushing against the tired au well, not
to an extent.
Speaker 11 (08:55):
I mean at this point, really the year fourteen rules
only been tested with the with rowing at the Mardy Cup,
so that was obviously the really big one earlier in
the year.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But what then is that there was a real.
Speaker 11 (09:09):
Depth of feeling around keeping year four teens out of it,
and I guess we're wanting now to push that forward.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I know that some other regions have picked up on that.
Speaker 11 (09:18):
I know that Auckland's one A rugby next year are
moving towards no Year fourteens, so it's probably gaining some
momentum and it's also the reason why we're looking at
that for school sport New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
So will there be exceptions with this mandate? Do you
believe and what objections do you think are going to face?
Speaker 11 (09:39):
I think there is a dispensation process, So we would
look at providing exemptions for people who have a genuine
educational reason. So if they haven't completed their secondary school qualification,
if they're doing NCAA, they haven't completed that and they
genuinely need to be back at year fourteen to finish
(10:01):
that off. That that's where we would look at an exemption,
but it would be on an educational basis, not a
sports basis.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So if they were.
Speaker 11 (10:10):
Coming back and already had NCAA Level three or they
had a pathway mapped out for them, and they were
simply coming back to play sport, that wouldn't meet their threshold.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
How common is that?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It sounds to me like it does happen in exceptional circumstance,
and it gets pointed at by the media and such
big events as the Marty Cup for example, and first
fifteen rugby. But is this a huge problem in general
across secondary schools team.
Speaker 11 (10:40):
It's probably not a huge problem, but it is an
issue that where the issue lies is that, you know,
for I guess in a sport, particularly those physical sports
like rowing, rugby, that additional twelve months they do have,
you know, I guess they bring that physical ability of
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one additional year of school. You know, age they are
actually physically and in many cases mentally stronger than other athletes,
and there is an advantage. So what we're just trying
to do is probably, I think, bring it back to
a little bit more of an equitable and level playing
field and making sure that the key thing for us
(11:22):
I think Darcy also is that we're an educational organization.
Our aim is really to support the education of young people.
We provide sport as a byproduct for schools, but really
kids are at school for sport for excuse me, for education,
and we don't want to see them there just for sport.
(11:44):
We want to see them there getting an education, getting learning.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Having a pathway out of school.
Speaker 11 (11:48):
And we are providing some sport, you know, a whole
range of tournaments and competitions that students can participate in,
but it's not at the you know, it's not having
an impact on their education. We're wanting to see the
kids be educated, and sport's a byproduct of vantage.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
We sought any advice from major sporting bodies around New Zealand,
like INSI don't even need to do with this n
Z Cricket, like the rowing in Z. Do they have
any engagement at all Taon, Well, we've had.
Speaker 11 (12:22):
What we have done is obviously Rowing New Zealand has
certainly had some input because of what happened earlier in
the year.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
But what we have been is earlier this year we had.
Speaker 11 (12:34):
A forum up in Auckland for all of the NSOs
were invited so New Zion and Rugby were there and
New Football News, Antennas, the whole range of organizations, and
we talked really clearly around the educational aspect of secondary
school sport. We talked about the fact that you know,
kids were at school to be educated, and just what
(12:57):
I talked about before that that sport happens at school,
but the learning is the priority. So we've been really
clear with those organizations. We will expect to get some
feedback from them around this as well, but what we're
saying that they can have, you know that those sports organizations,
whether it's football, hockey, whatever it is, they can have
(13:18):
their pathways to produce their elite athletes. We're not wanting
the school sports system to be the bee or end
or of that. Actually, kids are at school to be
doing learning and educated and be educated. They can love
sport and being part of it and it helps with
that school camaraderie and all of those sorts of things,
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but it isn't necessarily a pathway into professional sport, and
so we're just really wanting to be clear around that.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
There's also the issue around home school students in fact
that came to a head recently. Didn't when that Amelia
twist that the Mountain Biker couldn't pick up her medal.
So in that space, what can and can't you do?
Speaker 11 (14:01):
Yeah, well, so that I'm probably I don't really want
to comment on that, Darcy, because that's still a piece
of work.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
That's that's the work through.
Speaker 11 (14:10):
So we're not in a position to comment on that
because that's something that we're working on right now. So
maybe in a few weeks time we might have some
further information on that, but at the moment, I don't
really want to comment on that.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Okay, fair enough. The cutoff point of that is no,
year fourteen, you talk about even playing field and the
mental ability and their physical ability, but it's nigh and
impossible to get an even playing field because some kids
advanced mentally and physically a lot quicker than the others.
Is it just a lot easier for everyone concerned to
say this is where it finishes and we're not going
(14:46):
to have well, plainly, we're not going to have many exceptions.
Speaker 11 (14:49):
Yeah, I think that's what we're What we're basically saying
is we want to provide secondary school sport, and we're
talking about championship level events, So those top tear events,
you know, whether it's Rank and Cup, the Federation Cup hockey,
you know, it's those, but it's also some some lower
year competitions as well. We are really keen to provide
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those right across the board for schools, but it is
for students who are in year nine through the year thirteen,
because that is what secondary schooling is about. I know
that students can come back until nineteen years of age,
but really what we're saying is that schools should be
completed at the end of year thirteen, and that also
means that that should be the completion of your sporting
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time at the school as well.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And finally, you're dealing with proposed changes as well on
student transfers, on poaching competent teams and the like as well.
What are you looking to achieve there?
Speaker 11 (15:46):
Yeah, I guess it's really about being completely open and
explicit around what the rules are, so schools know that
if they are going to start approaching students with inducements
to come to a particular school with our offering scholarships
and all of those of things, if they're tapping people
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on the shoulder, that's going to start to go.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Against our rules and our.
Speaker 11 (16:12):
Regulations, So we're wanting to be really clear around that
so that we can one people know that they shouldn't
be doing that, and two if they are doing that,
then we can start to address that the new to school.
There is a certain number of students that you can
have new school, so you know, people are really clear
around that. The new school rules aren't aren't new, but
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we are just really making it really clear and reinforcing
what they are so that everyone knows right across the board,
you know, and whether it's cricket, whether it's you know,
it's football, whatever it is, that everyone has a clear
understanding around what that is.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
And tim for interested parties, can they access this proposal anywhere.
Speaker 11 (16:55):
It's only actually been sent to our members. So at
this point it's only gone to schools, and that's because
they are our members. They are the ones who we
take guidance from being members of our organization. So it's
not a public document per se, but it is only
for members only, and that's who the feedback that we're
(17:15):
expecting from.
Speaker 12 (17:17):
Forget the riff's call, You make the call on sports
talk on your home of sports talks.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I suppose that's fair and us thinking one is a
whole lot of people with their reckons. They've got nothing
to do with the system, and we but knows that
wouldn't mind to know exactly what's going on, but you know,
not to be not to be talking school sport there
and that is the chair. I think people don't really
(17:47):
what happened there. Sorry, that is the that sounded like
Richie Barnett in the background. That was the chairs and
gross spit it out water Grave. I'm not having the
greatest of days. Let's be honest about this, ducy, you go,
We'll just restart again. His name was Tim Grocott. He
is the principal of Shirley Boys High and he's also
(18:08):
the chairperson of school Sport in z talking about stopping
year fourteens from playing sport competitive sport because they believe
it's grossly unfair. It's a huge advantage and some schools,
not all schools, some schools are pushing that for their
(18:31):
own benefit. It's not right, it's not just, and I
believe they make rules for the benefit of the masses.
And a couple of people get hurt by it.
Speaker 9 (18:45):
Tough.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
So it leads me to the bigger question, what is
the point What is the purpose of sport in school?
We've all played it right from the get go, right
from when you were young and you had to jump
in the swordust pit pretending you're a high jumper, yet
to dive in the pool at nine in the morning,
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which is really unfortunate if you lived in christ Church
because it could be freezing cold, let alone Dunedin. You
got to pretend to be a gymnast, got to shuttle runs,
maybe a bit of competitive sport. But why why are
there sport programs in school? What is the point? What
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is the purpose of sport in school? It's not a
training ground for a professional career, is it?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
We heard Tim there talking about schools are for educating humans.
It's not about sorting athletes out for their future career
as an athlete. Education first and foremost. Sport is a bonus.
It's a bit of fun on the side. Is that correct?
(20:04):
Or Am I missing something here? And quite possibly I am.
You tell me what the purpose of sport in school is?
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Why it's there?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
This is from your own experience when you played, your
kids played, your relations played, your friend played. Why why
eight hundred eighty ten eighty you let me know I
want to hear from you. You can text nine two
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charge does apply, but I'd rather you called through eight
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hundred eighty ten eighty What is the purpose of sport
programs in school? How necessary is it to what ends?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Means?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You have to go as far as going back for
yet another year just so you can dominate Nah your
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five minutes time. He's coming back to play Mulu rugby
after years in England and France and Japan, after walking
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Speaker 2 (21:56):
That was the point of sport in school. Well, some
people could say that it's just solely there to embarrass
intellectual because they're completely hopeless at it. Yet the sports
stars don't get as roundly embarrassed by their lack of
any form of scholastic acumen because it's not exposed like
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it is in the gym. That's just one theory. Let's
talk to the people. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty susy.
Speaker 14 (22:27):
Good evening, Good evening.
Speaker 15 (22:30):
Hope you're having a good night.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I'm having a tremendous night. I love my life. Is
that annoying or not amazing?
Speaker 15 (22:37):
No, that's great that I should be. Hey, my thoughts
on sports in schools So I have, I have kids,
and I played sports myself, and I get what you're
saying about the intellectuals and embarrassment and stuff. But what
sport does, and it's whatever level you play at, it
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teaches you how.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
To work with people.
Speaker 15 (23:00):
Ultimately, you know, whether you're good at it, you're bad
at it in my opinion, And I see people who
never plaid sport and as an adult, they just they
don't get on with people that can't understand where somebody's
coming from, you know, they don't know how to work
as well. I wouldn't say I don't know how to.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Work specific because there are there are golfers and tennis
players are very isolated individuals who don't actually understand the
concept getting home with anybody. So it's not all about.
Speaker 15 (23:30):
That that that's true. So when you when you look
at a so you know in a team sport, you're
going to learn to work as a team, and you're
only as strong as as you as your weakest link,
and you've got to work with that. When you know,
you've got to learn to work with that weakest link.
And I think sometimes that gets lost with our coaches.
(23:50):
We need to spend more time encouraging picking up people, right.
But when when you're talking about individual sports, they are
quite different and and they suit different people, right. So
some people will go in and like tennis players, for example, golfers,
well it's all about them, but there is an element
of team anyway, they've.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Got their coach and they've got to play against somebody
I suppose, or they've got a caddy. It's not all
totally isolate.
Speaker 15 (24:19):
Sure, and they and they do like in the beginning
stages of golf when you're learning golf and you're playing
golf or even tennis, you're actually part of a team
because you although you compete in an individually, and that's
really only comes at the upper echelons of the sport
when you're learning to play and playing. It's a club sport.
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It's about it's about sure you have your match, but
it's about your teammates as well, and how well they
play their match and how well you train together in school.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Those says he for school, what was the purpose of
school for you? How important is a sporting curriculum within school?
On a on a wider platform, it's I think maybe
some schools lean too far into it and sport is
the be all and end all, and that's not right.
Speaker 15 (25:07):
Absolutely, yeah, that's not right.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Absolutely.
Speaker 15 (25:10):
I don't think, you know, and without naming any schools,
like I don't think praising your your and quite often
the case, they praise their sports people, you know, the
ones that do amazing and incredible and they they are,
they are looked at as amazing. But at a school level,
in my opinion, at a school level, and I've played
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international team and I've seen all levels of that and
our coach currently, but at a school level. All you're
really wanting those kids to take away from it, and
I'm talking about during school, is that they learn a
bit about the schools. They learn about rules and the
necessity to follow those rules, and they learn about how
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to work with other people and how to handle it
when you get something wrong, and that it's okay to
stuff up and all you've got to do is paka
chin up. The next time it will work and whatever that.
That sport may be badminton, soccer, basketball, netball, Hey I
missed that pass. I missed that miss I think.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
The sees you another the big thing. It's also about
being active first and foremost. I mean, it's too many
cats potatoes, too many video games, too many platforms. It's
getting out there and actually getting a beat on right,
having a bit of a sweat, isn't it. I don't
think it's about training people for the highest echelon in
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sport earlier high.
Speaker 14 (26:39):
D How are you good?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
What is the point?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Well?
Speaker 14 (26:45):
I think at the end of the day, everyone's different,
and you know, some people learn life lessons and whatnot
for a book, and others learn it from learning how
to have a go at sport. And you can see
the growth and what hard work and training it's like,
and how we'll give you the result some the future.
(27:07):
And you know, as someone who hated school sport was avid,
I learned that he actually persevering with something. But your
books or your sport can actually work out.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's arounded education. They need to be educated in a
number of different facets, and that's not one of them.
But I suppose some people put too much on the
sporting curriculum and some schools got too much on it,
and that can really set you up to fail. Like
I've been in this industry far too long, and the
amount of wreckage that I've seen of players at thought
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they were going to be someone and go somewhere and
conquer the world and be the best, and then they
actually get up too close to the top and realize
that there's a lot of very good athletes out there
and they're just going to become a road kill. And
then they're gone at twenty three and there's nothing left
for them.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
But pretty scary for.
Speaker 14 (28:01):
Any industry, whether it be sport or banking or doctors
or lawyers. It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Possibly, but I think it's spoiled. Yeah, I suppose you
do but I think in sport, though, there's so much
more hope out there to get shattered so quickly when
you get out of school, boys to men, girls to women.
I'm not saying sports school's a bad idea, is lovely
at a magnificent time. I'm just wondering if there's too
much emphasis on it.
Speaker 14 (28:29):
I think there's too much emphasis on idolizing your first
fustains across New Zealand and what But as far as
the selling the dream goes, if you haven't got a dream,
what have you got?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Very good point, Elia, Thanks very much for your call.
Let's whip on to our next caller, Ian.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
How are you, Oh good, Eve Man, that's very well.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
How are you? Yeah, not so bad? What's up hey?
Speaker 7 (28:54):
I think the purpose of sport in school is, hopefully
it's a foster an enjoyment of recreation and physic collectivity.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
That's probably for me. First and foremost, it's getting people moving,
because there are too many people that reach middle age
and they don't and they can't and they die.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Yeah, And it's going to educate people. It's educating them
on the benefits of that. We know there's so much
benefit for activity, and I think you know, a role
of school educate people on why they should be exercising
and hopefully they'll go on to enjoy that after school.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
When I say school is not though, it's not a
training ground for future professionals in sport, is it? But
to a degree? Could it be? Is it too much
emphasis on it? Am I taking away from the import
of school sport and how it can propel people to
that top level.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (29:47):
I think those that are the top level. If you
think of someone like a Will Jordan for example, you
know he was going to be a fantastic athlete pre
school he got discovered, But I think there's so few
people in high school that will go on to that
top level. The goal of the school system is to
educate the majority, and I think if they can take
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away a love of activity, a love of sport, that's
that's going to you know, set them up a little
bit better. So my feeling is that probably should be
more tailored to everybody at school. And like I said,
I think probably those elite guys, the guys that are
going to go on and make it, will probably make
it whether they've got a you know, an ex all
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back coaching them at school or you know the father
of one of the thirteens.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Bang On I and bang On don't be a stranger,
bring us up. But I remember when I was younger
and everybody knew Chris Ken's was going to be a
black cat. Everybody did. He's twelve. Some people are going
to do mantam Wabbs at school. They're going to get there.
There are a few freaks out there not and I
hate thanks for your course, things for your text. Coming
(30:58):
up next. Lemosopolanga back as a as a mulu oh.
The people of South into rinding their teeth right now.
As his news talks, he'd been look at you, you're
(31:21):
taking me Charles's Texter and Darcy, as Plato wrote, sound body,
sound mine. Nice, Thank you, Charles. He's talk about a
rugby now. Don't call it a comeback. He's been away
for years. That's kind of a butchered version of an
ol cool Jay song. But his name is Lima Suppewanga.
(31:42):
He went away asn't all black, and he's finally come
back many many many years later, and it's great to
have him on the program.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Good evening, Lema, good evening, mate. Good to hear your
voice again.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's been a long time. In fact, it's been what
eight years since you've been in New Zealand. You've been
playing your rugby all over the planet. Mate, Welcome home.
Speaker 15 (32:05):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
It's good to be back.
Speaker 9 (32:07):
Though a little bit grayer and a little bit more
stress some days with three kids, but it's all good stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
It's the spice of life, mate, being dads, it's all
it's about. You're lucky you got that far, but you're
back now. You've played in UK for three years, a
couple of years in France, a couple of years in Japan,
So why are you coming home? I'm presuming it's a
family situation.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
Yeah, my wife and three kids moved home in the
second year of my contract in Japan, and so they've
stayed here for the last year and I've kind of
gone back and forth, and yeah, I've kind of just
maybe decided that I'll hang around in New Zealand for
a little bit and see what happens and just be
around my kids, you know, like for me that my
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kids are the most important thing and watching them grow up.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
So yeah, I've got a got a call from Ross
and he's asked if I help him out. So that's
what I've decided to do.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Felipo being the head coach of the Mulu's Whitecatle, He's
offered a position, a role. What does he expect from you?
Why did he approach you? Do you think Lima, Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Guess it's similar to crude.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
And you know, you've got a lot of young guys
coming through itm Cup these days, and you know, maybe
I can share some of my experiences with them and
help these guys on their way to you know, bigger
and better things.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Some of them and this team.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
Will go and wear the black jersey and some will
go overseas, and hopefully I can shed some light on
some of that and just help them on their way and.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Also learn from them too.
Speaker 9 (33:44):
And yes, it's great to be back involved with the game,
and it's exciting to see how the season one unfold
and I'm pretty excited for it.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Are you comfortable in that space as an old school
guidance type of characters? Something sits well with you?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (34:01):
Yeah, one hundred. I've been lucky as a young kid
as well.
Speaker 9 (34:05):
I've had great older guys in the locker room who
looked after me and helped me. And I think it's
when you have those experiences as a young fella. The
thing they always say to you when you're young is
has passed on the messages, you know, like help those
young guys come through.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
And it's it's.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
Now my turn to to do that because I've had
some special people help me out, you know, your likes.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
Of sort of.
Speaker 9 (34:34):
The Meer Tilada, Ronnie Soyala when I first started the Lions,
guys like that and then went out to the Landers,
and you know, Adam Thompson and Chris King, Jason Rutledge,
all those kind of guys have sort of shared their
knowledge of me over the years, and even guys overseas
in France and England and Japan.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
So I think that's.
Speaker 9 (34:54):
It's a great opportunity for me to do the same
for some of these guys and help even some of
the senior guys in the White Cuttle squad who are
who is who are established now, and just helped help
them even more.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
What does the recruit and make of this. You're a
couple of old stages and they're charging ford all though
you mentioned Ananhu before, you're never too old to play
the game, right. What is he closing in on seventy
years old.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
That's kidding.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
But he's still playing, so you're still relevant, right, you
can still put a decent shift in.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
Yeah, And that's what we're here to do. You know,
we're not just.
Speaker 9 (35:27):
Here to make up numbers. We're here to compete and
do our best for the team and when a traphy
for Wakattal and that's what I think we're here to do.
And reconnect them with Cruds is amazing, you know, like
we're both at similar stages in our lives, both a
little bit older and got kids and and sort of
lived lived a little bit around the world and had
(35:50):
a broader perspective on life and footy. So it's it's
awesome to reconnect with firm, especially that he's always been
a big help of my career and someone I've always
looked up to.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
When you look.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Back, lean at your time overseas and you've played in
three distinctively different countries in the way they apply their rugby,
if you could, I know, it's eight years and you
can't really distill it into a sentience, but looking through
the UK, looking through France, looking through Japan, what are
the key lessons out of playing in those various countries.
(36:20):
I'm sure they gave you something very different with each experience.
Speaker 9 (36:25):
I think for me personally, as someone who come through
the bubble or being in all blacks and things like
that is like the perspective it gave me was that
rugby is just a.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Small part of your life.
Speaker 9 (36:39):
It's and I think you can get lost in that,
you know, chasing about Jersey or being in super Aby
and things like that, because in New Zealand, you know,
rugby consume you.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
But for me it's, you know, like rugby is just
what we do, it's.
Speaker 9 (36:52):
Not who we are, and that for me sort of
help shape my life and the way I see it now.
And it's a small part of my life and that's
something I really enjoy. But it's not the be all
and end or for me, and it's not who I
am as a person. It's just something that I do
for a living. And that's really helped me along this journey.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Please, when you're giving advice to young players, can you
tell them not to up sticks and run off to
the other side of the world in their mid twenties.
I mean, we're still suffering from that one leaven that
was that worthwhile, that decision you made in the fullness
of time, did you do the right thing?
Speaker 9 (37:25):
I in my heart that was what I wanted to do.
I became an all Black. I chased that dream. But
I also as a as a kid, I read books
and you know, watched TV and seen places on TV
that I wish I could have gone, and I wanted
to use Rabia as avenue to see the world.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
And that's exactly what I did.
Speaker 9 (37:45):
Like, I've got a daughter now who's seven eight in September,
and I think she's been to twenty seven different countries
and that to me is just as important as as
putting on a black jersey. And yeah, so for me,
I think it's been able to give me a great
experience around the world and help shape me for the better.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
What's the best league to play in out of the
three that you've toppled around, and what one challenged you
the most, gave you the biggest thrill, made you think, Yeah,
Rugby's the game? Was there anyone add all and for
any particular reason.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
Oh, it's just the top fourteen France.
Speaker 9 (38:24):
They just they just know how to do it, you know,
like you please, you could be playing Bordo and Bordo
nine pm Sunday night, main game of the weekend, and there's.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
Thirty five thousand people there.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
You know, like just just a crazy league, crazy fans,
some of the best players in the world. Yeah, it's
just it's an incredible, incredible league and atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
All of the reports have been saying that this is
a shock comeback. I know here in the office a
couple of days back when it first came up, I'm like, Okay,
where did that come from? This been in the pipeline
for long or.
Speaker 9 (38:59):
No, not really, to be honest, I've just been in Hamilton,
just enjoying time my kids and my family and doing
a bit of training on this. And I actually just
caught Floss in a pub one day after playing a
bit of golf with my father in law, and he
just asked me what I was up to and I said, Ah,
(39:19):
I'm not too sure, just go where the wind blows,
really And he said, oh, well, don't you come down
to White Katto and give us a hand. We run
pretty light, don't have a deep squad and got a
few injuries.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
And I said, ah, if you're serious, and then he.
Speaker 9 (39:35):
Ran me a couple of days later and told me
to come down to one Kado Stadium and I signed
a one dollar contract.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
And here we are serious.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
One dollar contract. That's all you cared about. I mean,
obviously made a wee bit playing overseas, but it doesn't
it's not about money, is it.
Speaker 9 (39:50):
No, Yeah, that is exactly a one dollar contract. Then
you just get paid by the week. So if you
get called, you get you get paid some money. And
if you don't, then I just do the school run,
hang out with my wife.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
And go coach a little bit of kids football. And
that's about it.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Sound like a very calm, satisfied man in your job,
in your rugby and family life as well. Great to
catch up again, Lima. And I'm sorry about the hate mail.
It's going to turn up from Southland. But they don't forget, right.
Speaker 9 (40:26):
Oh, that's a good place. A lot of good people
down there, so they don't forget. And it's a place
I hold there to my heart.
Speaker 12 (40:34):
The right call is your call on eight hundred eighty
Sports Talk call on your home of sports news Talk ZIBB.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
What a thoroughly good rooster, actually likable individual. I cut
the bit out of starting because he's still here.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
It's quite a shift.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
I said, yeah, yeah, okay, fine, whatever. It'll be great
to see him back, great to see him back playing
NPC rugby and bring some of the love back. I
really enjoy what he was saying in that look. I
had a dream, I read books. I wanted to go away.
I used rugby as a springboard to get invold in
my life. I'm more than just a rugby player. I'm
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a human being. It's magnificent attitude. Good on you, Lema.
I'm not supporting the movies, but good on you, Lema.
Suppawanga as his news talk to earb is seven minutes
away from me, it's four minutes to eight. Coming up next,
(41:50):
Marcus Lasts with his multi award winning program One that
you sit in the car when you get home and
keep listening to. I know from experience, I do it
quite a lot. Really looking forward to Marcus lush Jake,
thanks very much for that textas said, absolutely fantastic. And
if you think thanks to that, isn't he a good character?
And Mars Wrights a lovely maur stoke that he took
(42:11):
us opportunity overseas. I feel we kick our stars to
touch way too early in their careers. Carried on to
a great thing. How's that Sunday night? Thirty five thousand
people at a game? Packed out of a while of
a time. I don't know why the Northern Hemisphere don't
win every World Cup. HM focus is not strong up
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there is it? Thanks very much An's milicit for producing
the program. I thanks to the callers, Thanks to detectors.
I'd say thanks to the emailers, but.
Speaker 6 (42:40):
I don't know if they have.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I haven't cheap my email. Good luck Darcy at news
Talk ZB dot Co, Dotti and Z. Thanks to our
two guests as well, and for all of those who
did nothing but listen. Huge thanks to you that there
is there's no point in any of HISS. Have a
great evening. Catch it to Myra at.
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Happy Wednesday one and all. I'm going to sports Talk.
Great to have you all on board. My name is
Darcy Waltergrave. Here's from text Bang method. What a way
to contribute to society. Pollute the airwaves, hot takes everywhere
and that is my contribution to New Zealand's life. Thanks
(01:01):
for joining me. What have we got on today's show, Well,
we've got a whole bunch of you. Oh ain't hard
at eighty ten eighty at seven minutes after seven, we're
going to be talking about what is the purpose of
sport in school?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Shortly?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Are we going to be looking at that? If you
are unaware, today it was announced by a school sport
in z ssn Z that they've got a rough idea
about what they're going to do about year fourteen's competing
in top events such as rowing, the Mardy Cup, Verse
fifteen rugby, and their decision is no, you're not allowed to.
That's it. No year fourteen for you. If you want
(01:45):
to keep playing sport going to the real world, this
is going to be looked at. The stakeholders are involved
here in run through the document. They're going to object
to some bit, to agree with a whole lot more,
and then it will be ratified, rubber stand put into law,
if you will. And we'll be joined by Tim Grocott shortly.
He's the chair of school sport in that principal at
(02:07):
Chirley Boys High School joins us shortly to talk about that,
and then we'll look at the purpose of sport in school,
why it's there, what it does, What are you after?
What's required? The list goes on L eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. That's the number you're going to use. Lemosopolwana
(02:28):
joins us later in the piece too. He's coming back
to play rugby for the White couple year. He's been
overseas for eight years eight is it longer. It's a
long time. He's been over in England for I don't know,
three three something years, is over in France for a
couple of years, been in Japan for a couple of years,
(02:49):
or maybe it's seven years. It's been a while. Anyway,
he's come back and he's going to play for the
White cottle for the Mulu. Apologies to Southland, but he is.
We're going to find out why, what drives him and
what he learned all that time over? Does he have
any regrets as an all black just apping sticks and bailing.
Do you feel bad? I'd say he doesn't. But anyway,
(03:12):
more from Lima's Supperwanga later on in the pace. But
for the here and now, we're going to do this
today and it's for today. Bid Priestman is the new
Phoenix Women's head coach. He's got a lot of beggage,
to be fair, after years, well after the last year's
(03:33):
regrettable drone affair, it's the best way to describe it.
But after her suspension for her role in the mess,
she's keen to move on from the controversy and keen
to move away from Canada.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
It was an absolute media frenzy. You know, You've got
people knocking at your door and everything, and I've got
a little boy, and I think, without going in too much,
it was very difficult for my family and that's the
most important thing to me. I think we knew we
had to get out of that country.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Lessens if you don't engage in underhanded behavior like that,
you don't have to run from anywhere, right, and not
much just for you, bib. I'm sure we've learnt those
less but for everybody else, control the narrative. Don't do
it the San Maclaus Chalky well this black Caps skipper
(04:23):
Mitch Santa said to him, Nor's team are taking the
Zimbabwe lightly in the cricket Test because Zimbabwe they've got
their cavalry riding in.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
So we watched the last couple of tests they played
against Africa. But it's a new looking team. Obviously Ben
Current's back Brendan Taylor as well, and so they've got
some good additions and ras is playing as well. So
they've got a good team and we know they're going
to be a challenge.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Gets underway at eight o'clock to Nightick gets that online
that I don't even know what TV three call. They're
online department. To be fair, I got our three now, thanks, thanks,
that's good. You train the boomers to what they're with.
I actually sat on TV three for fifteen minutes last
(05:05):
week I work out I couldn't find the final between
South Africa and the black Caps in that try series.
Took me good ten minutes to go, oh oh right,
it's online, damn Rob Penny, No, not him. Now, let's
do him sick and Jackson Ford is he spilled the beans?
(05:27):
Where exactly as Kurt Capbele playing on Friday nights. He
he's going back to back row.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
He's a world class back rower. So like I'm sure
all those people that are moving around.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
Oh, no, their job.
Speaker 8 (05:38):
Who's getting to center?
Speaker 9 (05:39):
No idea?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Sorry, he he just worked out.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
He wasn't supposed to say, no idea. What you're talking about?
What beans?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
What bean?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Rob Penny? Now we get tom Me. He was pretty
stressed about possibly losing his coaching role this time last
year and now he's fine. Now he's staying, not a problem.
Maybe you should stress about your best player walking instead. Right,
you know, sabbaticals, Scott Barrett.
Speaker 10 (06:04):
He's earnt the right and he needs you know that
has been knocked around you, both for the Crusaders and
for all back for a long time now. So as
Cody did eighteen months ago, I suspect he'll have a
good break.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
And that's sport today.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
We're moving now into sport in New Zealand. Schools just
caught up with the news that the School Sport in
New Zealand organization have put Ford a document that says
no more year fourteens at school. It's not right, it's bad,
it's wrong. It mostly comes from verse fifteen Rugby and
(06:42):
Marty Cart that's been the issue predominantly with kids too old,
too big, pretending to go to school another year and
all they wanted to do was really play sports. So they're
looking to stamp that out. To Grocott, chair of school
sport in Z also principal at Chiliboys Hi, he joins
us now to discuss term. I trust you well, yes,
(07:02):
I'm very good, Thank you, Darcy. Great to see the
information come out today that after a lengthy review, you
now have an idea around what you're doing with the
dreaded year fourteen situation. And I would say that the
proposed rule change is that there's a blanket ban on
(07:24):
those students. Now this is a proposed rule change, What
hopes does they have to jump through to become I
suppose law for one of a better phrase.
Speaker 11 (07:33):
So what we've done is that we've spent a bit
of time working on these eligibility rules. I've now gone
out to schools, so out of principals and schools around
the country, and they have about six weeks now to
provide us with some feedback. So we're currently in a
consultation phase and we're hoping to get some really good
(07:55):
engagement from Principles and schools around the country to give
us a bit of a stare as to where they
see these rules.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Now, this is not carved in stone. You're plainly interested
in feedback, so it could move, It couldn't wobble to
a degree.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Or yeah, it could do.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I mean we do it by in your review.
Speaker 11 (08:12):
So we're doing this every two years, so this is
as a fairly normal process. But I guess the nature
of the year fort En issue means that it's a
little bit more high profile than it's been in the past.
But I would like to think that we've spent quite
a bit of time looking at the eligibility rules. We
think they are in a good place. It probably reflects
where most schools are at, and therefore we're really keen
(08:37):
to get that feedback now and to get those locked
in for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
It sounds like when you went into this you did
have a mandate because the schools generally overwhelmingly is a
word voted in favor of this rule change. So it's
not like you're pushing against the tired au well, not
to an extent.
Speaker 11 (08:55):
I mean at this point, really the year fourteen rules
only been tested with the with rowing at the Mardy Cup,
so that was obviously the really big one earlier in
the year.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But what then is that there was a real.
Speaker 11 (09:09):
Depth of feeling around keeping year four teens out of it,
and I guess we're wanting now to push that forward.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I know that some other regions have picked up on that.
Speaker 11 (09:18):
I know that Auckland's one A rugby next year are
moving towards no Year fourteens, so it's probably gaining some
momentum and it's also the reason why we're looking at
that for school sport New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
So will there be exceptions with this mandate? Do you
believe and what objections do you think are going to face?
Speaker 11 (09:39):
I think there is a dispensation process, So we would
look at providing exemptions for people who have a genuine
educational reason. So if they haven't completed their secondary school qualification,
if they're doing NCAA, they haven't completed that and they
genuinely need to be back at year fourteen to finish
(10:01):
that off. That that's where we would look at an exemption,
but it would be on an educational basis, not a
sports basis.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So if they were.
Speaker 11 (10:10):
Coming back and already had NCAA Level three or they
had a pathway mapped out for them, and they were
simply coming back to play sport, that wouldn't meet their threshold.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
How common is that?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It sounds to me like it does happen in exceptional circumstance,
and it gets pointed at by the media and such
big events as the Marty Cup for example, and first
fifteen rugby. But is this a huge problem in general
across secondary schools team.
Speaker 11 (10:40):
It's probably not a huge problem, but it is an
issue that where the issue lies is that, you know,
for I guess in a sport, particularly those physical sports
like rowing, rugby, that additional twelve months they do have,
you know, I guess they bring that physical ability of
(11:01):
one additional year of school. You know, age they are
actually physically and in many cases mentally stronger than other athletes,
and there is an advantage. So what we're just trying
to do is probably, I think, bring it back to
a little bit more of an equitable and level playing
field and making sure that the key thing for us
(11:22):
I think Darcy also is that we're an educational organization.
Our aim is really to support the education of young people.
We provide sport as a byproduct for schools, but really
kids are at school for sport for excuse me, for education,
and we don't want to see them there just for sport.
(11:44):
We want to see them there getting an education, getting learning.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Having a pathway out of school.
Speaker 11 (11:48):
And we are providing some sport, you know, a whole
range of tournaments and competitions that students can participate in,
but it's not at the you know, it's not having
an impact on their education. We're wanting to see the
kids be educated, and sport's a byproduct of vantage.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
We sought any advice from major sporting bodies around New Zealand,
like INSI don't even need to do with this n
Z Cricket, like the rowing in Z. Do they have
any engagement at all Taon, Well, we've had.
Speaker 11 (12:22):
What we have done is obviously Rowing New Zealand has
certainly had some input because of what happened earlier in
the year.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
But what we have been is earlier this year we had.
Speaker 11 (12:34):
A forum up in Auckland for all of the NSOs
were invited so New Zion and Rugby were there and
New Football News, Antennas, the whole range of organizations, and
we talked really clearly around the educational aspect of secondary
school sport. We talked about the fact that you know,
kids were at school to be educated, and just what
(12:57):
I talked about before that that sport happens at school,
but the learning is the priority. So we've been really
clear with those organizations. We will expect to get some
feedback from them around this as well, but what we're
saying that they can have, you know that those sports organizations,
whether it's football, hockey, whatever it is, they can have
(13:18):
their pathways to produce their elite athletes. We're not wanting
the school sports system to be the bee or end
or of that. Actually, kids are at school to be
doing learning and educated and be educated. They can love
sport and being part of it and it helps with
that school camaraderie and all of those sorts of things,
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but it isn't necessarily a pathway into professional sport, and
so we're just really wanting to be clear around that.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
There's also the issue around home school students in fact
that came to a head recently. Didn't when that Amelia
twist that the Mountain Biker couldn't pick up her medal.
So in that space, what can and can't you do?
Speaker 11 (14:01):
Yeah, well, so that I'm probably I don't really want
to comment on that, Darcy, because that's still a piece
of work.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
That's that's the work through.
Speaker 11 (14:10):
So we're not in a position to comment on that
because that's something that we're working on right now. So
maybe in a few weeks time we might have some
further information on that, but at the moment, I don't
really want to comment on that.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Okay, fair enough. The cutoff point of that is no,
year fourteen, you talk about even playing field and the
mental ability and their physical ability, but it's nigh and
impossible to get an even playing field because some kids
advanced mentally and physically a lot quicker than the others.
Is it just a lot easier for everyone concerned to
say this is where it finishes and we're not going
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to have well, plainly, we're not going to have many exceptions.
Speaker 11 (14:49):
Yeah, I think that's what we're What we're basically saying
is we want to provide secondary school sport, and we're
talking about championship level events, So those top tear events,
you know, whether it's Rank and Cup, the Federation Cup hockey,
you know, it's those, but it's also some some lower
year competitions as well. We are really keen to provide
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those right across the board for schools, but it is
for students who are in year nine through the year thirteen,
because that is what secondary schooling is about. I know
that students can come back until nineteen years of age,
but really what we're saying is that schools should be
completed at the end of year thirteen, and that also
means that that should be the completion of your sporting
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time at the school as well.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And finally, you're dealing with proposed changes as well on
student transfers, on poaching competent teams and the like as well.
What are you looking to achieve there?
Speaker 11 (15:46):
Yeah, I guess it's really about being completely open and
explicit around what the rules are, so schools know that
if they are going to start approaching students with inducements
to come to a particular school with our offering scholarships
and all of those of things, if they're tapping people
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on the shoulder, that's going to start to go.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Against our rules and our.
Speaker 11 (16:12):
Regulations, So we're wanting to be really clear around that
so that we can one people know that they shouldn't
be doing that, and two if they are doing that,
then we can start to address that the new to school.
There is a certain number of students that you can
have new school, so you know, people are really clear
around that. The new school rules aren't aren't new, but
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we are just really making it really clear and reinforcing
what they are so that everyone knows right across the board,
you know, and whether it's cricket, whether it's you know,
it's football, whatever it is, that everyone has a clear
understanding around what that is.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
And tim for interested parties, can they access this proposal anywhere.
Speaker 11 (16:55):
It's only actually been sent to our members. So at
this point it's only gone to schools, and that's because
they are our members. They are the ones who we
take guidance from being members of our organization. So it's
not a public document per se, but it is only
for members only, and that's who the feedback that we're
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expecting from.
Speaker 12 (17:17):
Forget the riff's call, You make the call on sports
talk on your home of sports talks.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I suppose that's fair and us thinking one is a
whole lot of people with their reckons. They've got nothing
to do with the system, and we but knows that
wouldn't mind to know exactly what's going on, but you know,
not to be not to be talking school sport there
and that is the chair. I think people don't really
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what happened there. Sorry, that is the that sounded like
Richie Barnett in the background. That was the chairs and
gross spit it out water Grave. I'm not having the
greatest of days. Let's be honest about this, ducy, you go,
We'll just restart again. His name was Tim Grocott. He
is the principal of Shirley Boys High and he's also
(18:08):
the chairperson of school Sport in z talking about stopping
year fourteens from playing sport competitive sport because they believe
it's grossly unfair. It's a huge advantage and some schools,
not all schools, some schools are pushing that for their
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own benefit. It's not right, it's not just, and I
believe they make rules for the benefit of the masses.
And a couple of people get hurt by it.
Speaker 9 (18:45):
Tough.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
So it leads me to the bigger question, what is
the point What is the purpose of sport in school?
We've all played it right from the get go, right
from when you were young and you had to jump
in the swordust pit pretending you're a high jumper, yet
to dive in the pool at nine in the morning,
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which is really unfortunate if you lived in christ Church
because it could be freezing cold, let alone Dunedin. You
got to pretend to be a gymnast, got to shuttle runs,
maybe a bit of competitive sport. But why why are
there sport programs in school? What is the point? What
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is the purpose of sport in school? It's not a
training ground for a professional career, is it?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
We heard Tim there talking about schools are for educating humans.
It's not about sorting athletes out for their future career
as an athlete. Education first and foremost. Sport is a bonus.
It's a bit of fun on the side. Is that correct?
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Or Am I missing something here? And quite possibly I am.
You tell me what the purpose of sport in school is?
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Why it's there?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
This is from your own experience when you played, your
kids played, your relations played, your friend played. Why why
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hundred eighty ten eighty What is the purpose of sport
programs in school? How necessary is it to what ends?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Means?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You have to go as far as going back for
yet another year just so you can dominate Nah your
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after years in England and France and Japan, after walking
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Speaker 2 (21:56):
That was the point of sport in school. Well, some
people could say that it's just solely there to embarrass
intellectual because they're completely hopeless at it. Yet the sports
stars don't get as roundly embarrassed by their lack of
any form of scholastic acumen because it's not exposed like
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it is in the gym. That's just one theory. Let's
talk to the people. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty susy.
Speaker 14 (22:27):
Good evening, Good evening.
Speaker 15 (22:30):
Hope you're having a good night.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I'm having a tremendous night. I love my life. Is
that annoying or not amazing?
Speaker 15 (22:37):
No, that's great that I should be. Hey, my thoughts
on sports in schools So I have, I have kids,
and I played sports myself, and I get what you're
saying about the intellectuals and embarrassment and stuff. But what
sport does, and it's whatever level you play at, it
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teaches you how.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
To work with people.
Speaker 15 (23:00):
Ultimately, you know, whether you're good at it, you're bad
at it in my opinion, And I see people who
never plaid sport and as an adult, they just they
don't get on with people that can't understand where somebody's
coming from, you know, they don't know how to work
as well. I wouldn't say I don't know how to.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Work specific because there are there are golfers and tennis
players are very isolated individuals who don't actually understand the
concept getting home with anybody. So it's not all about.
Speaker 15 (23:30):
That that that's true. So when you when you look
at a so you know in a team sport, you're
going to learn to work as a team, and you're
only as strong as as you as your weakest link,
and you've got to work with that. When you know,
you've got to learn to work with that weakest link.
And I think sometimes that gets lost with our coaches.
(23:50):
We need to spend more time encouraging picking up people, right.
But when when you're talking about individual sports, they are
quite different and and they suit different people, right. So
some people will go in and like tennis players, for example, golfers,
well it's all about them, but there is an element
of team anyway, they've.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Got their coach and they've got to play against somebody
I suppose, or they've got a caddy. It's not all
totally isolate.
Speaker 15 (24:19):
Sure, and they and they do like in the beginning
stages of golf when you're learning golf and you're playing
golf or even tennis, you're actually part of a team
because you although you compete in an individually, and that's
really only comes at the upper echelons of the sport
when you're learning to play and playing. It's a club sport.
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It's about it's about sure you have your match, but
it's about your teammates as well, and how well they
play their match and how well you train together in school.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Those says he for school, what was the purpose of
school for you? How important is a sporting curriculum within school?
On a on a wider platform, it's I think maybe
some schools lean too far into it and sport is
the be all and end all, and that's not right.
Speaker 15 (25:07):
Absolutely, yeah, that's not right.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Absolutely.
Speaker 15 (25:10):
I don't think, you know, and without naming any schools,
like I don't think praising your your and quite often
the case, they praise their sports people, you know, the
ones that do amazing and incredible and they they are,
they are looked at as amazing. But at a school level,
in my opinion, at a school level, and I've played
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international team and I've seen all levels of that and
our coach currently, but at a school level. All you're
really wanting those kids to take away from it, and
I'm talking about during school, is that they learn a
bit about the schools. They learn about rules and the
necessity to follow those rules, and they learn about how
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to work with other people and how to handle it
when you get something wrong, and that it's okay to
stuff up and all you've got to do is paka
chin up. The next time it will work and whatever that.
That sport may be badminton, soccer, basketball, netball, Hey I
missed that pass. I missed that miss I think.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
The sees you another the big thing. It's also about
being active first and foremost. I mean, it's too many
cats potatoes, too many video games, too many platforms. It's
getting out there and actually getting a beat on right,
having a bit of a sweat, isn't it. I don't
think it's about training people for the highest echelon in
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sport earlier high.
Speaker 14 (26:39):
D How are you good?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
What is the point?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Well?
Speaker 14 (26:45):
I think at the end of the day, everyone's different,
and you know, some people learn life lessons and whatnot
for a book, and others learn it from learning how
to have a go at sport. And you can see
the growth and what hard work and training it's like,
and how we'll give you the result some the future.
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And you know, as someone who hated school sport was avid,
I learned that he actually persevering with something. But your
books or your sport can actually work out.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's arounded education. They need to be educated in a
number of different facets, and that's not one of them.
But I suppose some people put too much on the
sporting curriculum and some schools got too much on it,
and that can really set you up to fail. Like
I've been in this industry far too long, and the
amount of wreckage that I've seen of players at thought
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they were going to be someone and go somewhere and
conquer the world and be the best, and then they
actually get up too close to the top and realize
that there's a lot of very good athletes out there
and they're just going to become a road kill. And
then they're gone at twenty three and there's nothing left
for them.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
But pretty scary for.
Speaker 14 (28:01):
Any industry, whether it be sport or banking or doctors
or lawyers. It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Possibly, but I think it's spoiled. Yeah, I suppose you
do but I think in sport, though, there's so much
more hope out there to get shattered so quickly when
you get out of school, boys to men, girls to women.
I'm not saying sports school's a bad idea, is lovely
at a magnificent time. I'm just wondering if there's too
much emphasis on it.
Speaker 14 (28:29):
I think there's too much emphasis on idolizing your first
fustains across New Zealand and what But as far as
the selling the dream goes, if you haven't got a dream,
what have you got?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Very good point, Elia, Thanks very much for your call.
Let's whip on to our next caller, Ian.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
How are you, Oh good, Eve Man, that's very well.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
How are you? Yeah, not so bad? What's up hey?
Speaker 7 (28:54):
I think the purpose of sport in school is, hopefully
it's a foster an enjoyment of recreation and physic collectivity.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
That's probably for me. First and foremost, it's getting people moving,
because there are too many people that reach middle age
and they don't and they can't and they die.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Yeah, And it's going to educate people. It's educating them
on the benefits of that. We know there's so much
benefit for activity, and I think you know, a role
of school educate people on why they should be exercising
and hopefully they'll go on to enjoy that after school.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
When I say school is not though, it's not a
training ground for future professionals in sport, is it? But
to a degree? Could it be? Is it too much
emphasis on it? Am I taking away from the import
of school sport and how it can propel people to
that top level.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (29:47):
I think those that are the top level. If you
think of someone like a Will Jordan for example, you
know he was going to be a fantastic athlete pre
school he got discovered, But I think there's so few
people in high school that will go on to that
top level. The goal of the school system is to
educate the majority, and I think if they can take
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away a love of activity, a love of sport, that's
that's going to you know, set them up a little
bit better. So my feeling is that probably should be
more tailored to everybody at school. And like I said,
I think probably those elite guys, the guys that are
going to go on and make it, will probably make
it whether they've got a you know, an ex all
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back coaching them at school or you know the father
of one of the thirteens.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Bang On I and bang On don't be a stranger,
bring us up. But I remember when I was younger
and everybody knew Chris Ken's was going to be a
black cat. Everybody did. He's twelve. Some people are going
to do mantam Wabbs at school. They're going to get there.
There are a few freaks out there not and I
hate thanks for your course, things for your text. Coming
(30:58):
up next. Lemosopolanga back as a as a mulu oh.
The people of South into rinding their teeth right now.
As his news talks, he'd been look at you, you're
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taking me Charles's Texter and Darcy, as Plato wrote, sound body,
sound mine. Nice, Thank you, Charles. He's talk about a
rugby now. Don't call it a comeback. He's been away
for years. That's kind of a butchered version of an
ol cool Jay song. But his name is Lima Suppewanga.
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He went away asn't all black, and he's finally come
back many many many years later, and it's great to
have him on the program.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Good evening, Lema, good evening, mate. Good to hear your
voice again.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's been a long time. In fact, it's been what
eight years since you've been in New Zealand. You've been
playing your rugby all over the planet. Mate, Welcome home.
Speaker 15 (32:05):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
It's good to be back.
Speaker 9 (32:07):
Though a little bit grayer and a little bit more
stress some days with three kids, but it's all good stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
It's the spice of life, mate, being dads, it's all
it's about. You're lucky you got that far, but you're
back now. You've played in UK for three years, a
couple of years in France, a couple of years in Japan,
So why are you coming home? I'm presuming it's a
family situation.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
Yeah, my wife and three kids moved home in the
second year of my contract in Japan, and so they've
stayed here for the last year and I've kind of
gone back and forth, and yeah, I've kind of just
maybe decided that I'll hang around in New Zealand for
a little bit and see what happens and just be
around my kids, you know, like for me that my
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kids are the most important thing and watching them grow up.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
So yeah, I've got a got a call from Ross
and he's asked if I help him out. So that's
what I've decided to do.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Felipo being the head coach of the Mulu's Whitecatle, He's
offered a position, a role. What does he expect from you?
Why did he approach you? Do you think Lima, Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Guess it's similar to crude.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
And you know, you've got a lot of young guys
coming through itm Cup these days, and you know, maybe
I can share some of my experiences with them and
help these guys on their way to you know, bigger
and better things.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Some of them and this team.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
Will go and wear the black jersey and some will
go overseas, and hopefully I can shed some light on
some of that and just help them on their way and.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Also learn from them too.
Speaker 9 (33:44):
And yes, it's great to be back involved with the game,
and it's exciting to see how the season one unfold
and I'm pretty excited for it.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Are you comfortable in that space as an old school
guidance type of characters? Something sits well with you?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (34:01):
Yeah, one hundred. I've been lucky as a young kid
as well.
Speaker 9 (34:05):
I've had great older guys in the locker room who
looked after me and helped me. And I think it's
when you have those experiences as a young fella. The
thing they always say to you when you're young is
has passed on the messages, you know, like help those
young guys come through.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
And it's it's.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
Now my turn to to do that because I've had
some special people help me out, you know, your likes.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
Of sort of.
Speaker 9 (34:34):
The Meer Tilada, Ronnie Soyala when I first started the Lions,
guys like that and then went out to the Landers,
and you know, Adam Thompson and Chris King, Jason Rutledge,
all those kind of guys have sort of shared their
knowledge of me over the years, and even guys overseas
in France and England and Japan.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
So I think that's.
Speaker 9 (34:54):
It's a great opportunity for me to do the same
for some of these guys and help even some of
the senior guys in the White Cuttle squad who are
who is who are established now, and just helped help
them even more.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
What does the recruit and make of this. You're a
couple of old stages and they're charging ford all though
you mentioned Ananhu before, you're never too old to play
the game, right. What is he closing in on seventy
years old.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
That's kidding.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
But he's still playing, so you're still relevant, right, you
can still put a decent shift in.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
Yeah, And that's what we're here to do. You know,
we're not just.
Speaker 9 (35:27):
Here to make up numbers. We're here to compete and
do our best for the team and when a traphy
for Wakattal and that's what I think we're here to do.
And reconnect them with Cruds is amazing, you know, like
we're both at similar stages in our lives, both a
little bit older and got kids and and sort of
lived lived a little bit around the world and had
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a broader perspective on life and footy. So it's it's
awesome to reconnect with firm, especially that he's always been
a big help of my career and someone I've always
looked up to.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
When you look.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Back, lean at your time overseas and you've played in
three distinctively different countries in the way they apply their rugby,
if you could, I know, it's eight years and you
can't really distill it into a sentience, but looking through
the UK, looking through France, looking through Japan, what are
the key lessons out of playing in those various countries.
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I'm sure they gave you something very different with each experience.
Speaker 9 (36:25):
I think for me personally, as someone who come through
the bubble or being in all blacks and things like
that is like the perspective it gave me was that
rugby is just a.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Small part of your life.
Speaker 9 (36:39):
It's and I think you can get lost in that,
you know, chasing about Jersey or being in super Aby
and things like that, because in New Zealand, you know,
rugby consume you.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
But for me it's, you know, like rugby is just
what we do, it's.
Speaker 9 (36:52):
Not who we are, and that for me sort of
help shape my life and the way I see it now.
And it's a small part of my life and that's
something I really enjoy. But it's not the be all
and end or for me, and it's not who I
am as a person. It's just something that I do
for a living. And that's really helped me along this journey.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Please, when you're giving advice to young players, can you
tell them not to up sticks and run off to
the other side of the world in their mid twenties.
I mean, we're still suffering from that one leaven that
was that worthwhile, that decision you made in the fullness
of time, did you do the right thing?
Speaker 9 (37:25):
I in my heart that was what I wanted to do.
I became an all Black. I chased that dream. But
I also as a as a kid, I read books
and you know, watched TV and seen places on TV
that I wish I could have gone, and I wanted
to use Rabia as avenue to see the world.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
And that's exactly what I did.
Speaker 9 (37:45):
Like, I've got a daughter now who's seven eight in September,
and I think she's been to twenty seven different countries
and that to me is just as important as as
putting on a black jersey. And yeah, so for me,
I think it's been able to give me a great
experience around the world and help shape me for the better.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
What's the best league to play in out of the
three that you've toppled around, and what one challenged you
the most, gave you the biggest thrill, made you think, Yeah,
Rugby's the game? Was there anyone add all and for
any particular reason.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
Oh, it's just the top fourteen France.
Speaker 9 (38:24):
They just they just know how to do it, you know,
like you please, you could be playing Bordo and Bordo
nine pm Sunday night, main game of the weekend, and there's.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
Thirty five thousand people there.
Speaker 9 (38:36):
You know, like just just a crazy league, crazy fans,
some of the best players in the world. Yeah, it's
just it's an incredible, incredible league and atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
All of the reports have been saying that this is
a shock comeback. I know here in the office a
couple of days back when it first came up, I'm like, Okay,
where did that come from? This been in the pipeline
for long or.
Speaker 9 (38:59):
No, not really, to be honest, I've just been in Hamilton,
just enjoying time my kids and my family and doing
a bit of training on this. And I actually just
caught Floss in a pub one day after playing a
bit of golf with my father in law, and he
just asked me what I was up to and I said, Ah,
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I'm not too sure, just go where the wind blows,
really And he said, oh, well, don't you come down
to White Katto and give us a hand. We run
pretty light, don't have a deep squad and got a
few injuries.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
And I said, ah, if you're serious, and then he.
Speaker 9 (39:35):
Ran me a couple of days later and told me
to come down to one Kado Stadium and I signed
a one dollar contract.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
And here we are serious.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
One dollar contract. That's all you cared about. I mean,
obviously made a wee bit playing overseas, but it doesn't
it's not about money, is it.
Speaker 9 (39:50):
No, Yeah, that is exactly a one dollar contract. Then
you just get paid by the week. So if you
get called, you get you get paid some money. And
if you don't, then I just do the school run,
hang out with my wife.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
And go coach a little bit of kids football. And
that's about it.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Sound like a very calm, satisfied man in your job,
in your rugby and family life as well. Great to
catch up again, Lima. And I'm sorry about the hate mail.
It's going to turn up from Southland. But they don't forget, right.
Speaker 9 (40:26):
Oh, that's a good place. A lot of good people
down there, so they don't forget. And it's a place
I hold there to my heart.
Speaker 12 (40:34):
The right call is your call on eight hundred eighty
Sports Talk call on your home of sports news Talk ZIBB.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
What a thoroughly good rooster, actually likable individual. I cut
the bit out of starting because he's still here.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
It's quite a shift.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
I said, yeah, yeah, okay, fine, whatever. It'll be great
to see him back, great to see him back playing
NPC rugby and bring some of the love back. I
really enjoy what he was saying in that look. I
had a dream, I read books. I wanted to go away.
I used rugby as a springboard to get invold in
my life. I'm more than just a rugby player. I'm
(41:20):
a human being. It's magnificent attitude. Good on you, Lema.
I'm not supporting the movies, but good on you, Lema.
Suppawanga as his news talk to earb is seven minutes
away from me, it's four minutes to eight. Coming up next,
(41:50):
Marcus Lasts with his multi award winning program One that
you sit in the car when you get home and
keep listening to. I know from experience, I do it
quite a lot. Really looking forward to Marcus lush Jake,
thanks very much for that textas said, absolutely fantastic. And
if you think thanks to that, isn't he a good character?
And Mars Wrights a lovely maur stoke that he took
(42:11):
us opportunity overseas. I feel we kick our stars to
touch way too early in their careers. Carried on to
a great thing. How's that Sunday night? Thirty five thousand
people at a game? Packed out of a while of
a time. I don't know why the Northern Hemisphere don't
win every World Cup. HM focus is not strong up
(42:32):
there is it? Thanks very much An's milicit for producing
the program. I thanks to the callers, Thanks to detectors.
I'd say thanks to the emailers, but.
Speaker 6 (42:40):
I don't know if they have.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I haven't cheap my email. Good luck Darcy at news
Talk ZB dot Co, Dotti and Z. Thanks to our
two guests as well, and for all of those who
did nothing but listen. Huge thanks to you that there
is there's no point in any of HISS. Have a
great evening. Catch it to Myra at.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
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Speaker 1 (43:14):
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