August 7, 2025 • 43 mins
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NZ Rugby CEO Mark Robinson on Richie Mo'unga re-signing.
Richie Mo'unga talkback.
Richie Mo'unga's coach for the last two years Todd Blackadder.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from News Talk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Evening. Welcome into Sports Talk. How is it? Seven minutes
out seven of this? It's Thursday, the seventh of August,
digit Away from the Beast seven to seven seven on
Darcy Waldgrave with you through until eight o'clock tonight as
we talk ugby of an evening, big day for New
Zealand rugby after what six months of wrangling maybe even more?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Richard Malwana is on his.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Way home, but only for three, three, six eighteen. It's
not very long, right, eighteen eighteen months, which means he
doesn't get to play immediately and he's got to play
the NPC and why we'll find out more about that.
As CEO of Insit Mark Robinson joins the program. What
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do they have to deal with? How do they get
this over the line? How long that I go on for?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
The list goes on?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Are they going to be flexible when it comes to
maybe Razor goes ah, you know what? Actually want to
back a bit earlier back of the NPC. Let's just
chuck them straight back into the All Blacks Jersey. Maybe
possibly have they done this before?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
It's their rules.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
That's about a break them anyway. Robo joins us shortly.
Also because it's a story about it can tab coming
back to playing Canterbury and Mark Robinson CEO of Inside
are played for Canterbury and the Crusaders. I thought i'd
carry on with that tip and Todd Blackett joins the
program too. Todd, of course has been overseeing Richie mul
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Wonga since he's been on a sabbatical.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
He gives a thought about where.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
He's at and what happens next, and well if he
and back I expect an absolute flashy would back to
to Sheba Todd that blackheaded joins us later on the piece,
and you get to shake up the Canterbury bias by
ringing through if you're not from Canabi, now anyone can
ring through. What does this mean for Bowden, Barrett and
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Damien McKenzie. This becomes a super rugby shootout? Does it not?
For selection for the World Cup over in Australia. That's
a good thing, right, it is a good thing.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Tell me it's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh eight hundred and eighteen ten eighty lines will be
open after we hear from Mark Robinson.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
But before any of that, let's do a whole lot
of this.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Today.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Stray Muana is back, Baby, the Crusader's head coach, Rob
Penny is still Dan doesn't think he'll need much time
in a super jerzy rich as hungry is as he
is to play every week, he won't need to play
every week to be an all Black and we can
facilitate a lot of need with him and the group.
I think they quite like him to play a lot anyway.
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Jacob Darfy will do and test cracket for the Black
Cats and just under an hour's time the Southern Paceman
who was assisted by Rob Walter. Then who's the black
Cats coach now? Right history. Jacob is cognizant of the
efforts of others on his journey to test crickets.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Now reflect on the things that I've done to get
here in terms of my action change with Rob back
in the day and little tweaks here from a jack orum,
and there's so many people just have their say along
the way, And I guess as a player it's for
you to maneuver and around all those coaches and you
find it works for best few.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, well, you know about the nature of the eleven
two possibility that two more pacemen will make their Test debut,
which means Matt Henry is going to be the only
old paceman in that side. We will see those new
AKF c Auckland Football Club signing Lackland. Brook wants to
play as much as he can and with a smile
on his dial, the ockle wing has played all of
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the globe and he's happy to be back in Australasia.
Speaker 7 (04:10):
And if you're not playing, you're not going to get selected.
And for me is more about just enjoying myself again. Obviously,
when you're not playing games and you're living far from home,
it's a big sacrifice to be away when you're not
doing what you love. So being closer to home and
family and stuff is going to be huge.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Thank you very much, young man. And Ryan Fox, two
time PGA two winner this year as his eyes on
another prize that's qualifying for the season ending to a championship.
He's ranked thirty six and currently he needs to be
inside the top thirty to get.
Speaker 8 (04:40):
In the one big Golder took off now for the
rest of the year is to make that tour championship
and need one good week out of the next two
weeks to do that and can kind of just go
out and give it a good crack and whatever happens happens,
and it's a nice place to be.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
And he teas off and men for some on the
PGA tour at one thirty tomorrow morning. And that's sport today, right,
let's get into it. Richie Moore hung back. Finally it's
been done. It's been sort of signed, sealed, delivered, tied
up with a bow on it and the lights talk
about that. We're joined by Chief executive of the New
Zealand Rugby Mark Robinson. Very well, hey mate, thanks for
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joining us on the show Big News Today. Obviously, Richie Muanga,
it's finally over the line. Something that you guys. Well,
first up, I'll ask it, how long have you been
negotiating this for O.
Speaker 9 (05:31):
Look, it's obviously been a bit of speculation over the
last you know, twelve to eighty months, but.
Speaker 10 (05:39):
In practical terms, the.
Speaker 9 (05:41):
Most meaningful conversations have been happening for the last few
months really, probably since sort of April or so.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
When you're doing this, you're pulling it out. What are
the major points of negotiation, What were the sticking points.
What were the easy points around getting him home again?
Speaker 9 (05:58):
Oh look, I think you know al to me, this
is Richie's decision, isn't it.
Speaker 10 (06:01):
And we're delighted.
Speaker 9 (06:03):
Obviously, he's a great talent.
Speaker 10 (06:06):
He's been a great servant of the game here in
New Zealand.
Speaker 9 (06:08):
He you know, contributes incredibly well on and off the field.
So primarily with any athlete, you know, I've got to
be wanting to be part of our environments and our teams,
and Richie certainly wants to do that.
Speaker 10 (06:22):
He has a strong.
Speaker 9 (06:23):
Hunger and desire to be back in New Zealand, so
that was always a really positive start point. I'm obviously
not going to go under the details of it, but
you know, we had some discussions about the length of contract.
Speaker 10 (06:36):
That was probably the main thing.
Speaker 9 (06:38):
But ultimately, you know, Richie's decided to go through to
the end of the World Cup, which we're really pleased
by and we're looking forward to having him home.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So eighteen month contract and I think that maybe flies
in the face. Although you guys can make your own
rules because you are nz A, you can do what
you want. But the story is floating around about his
ability to be fast tracked back into the All Blacks.
Maybe he has been stemied because of the short term
nature of the contract.
Speaker 9 (07:04):
Yeah, that's right, he'll be He'll be available for the
All Blacks and the latter part of twenty twenty six,
and the exact dates on that aren't clear yet because
the calendar and competition's work is still to be finalized.
That'll be announced hopefully in the next two or three
months and were no more than but at this stage
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it'll be in the latter part of twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Six, so that means he won't be playing for the
All Blacks initially. He's got to come back and do
some time in the NPC before he gets that the
tick to go ahead and pull.
Speaker 10 (07:37):
On a Black jersey again, that's right.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Was that negotiated? Is there a chance that that might
move with Scott robertson go Actually, if we won for
the World Cut, we need to get him back in
Black as soon as possible. There is there a wiggle
room there.
Speaker 9 (07:50):
Mark, Oh, look, this is the reality of the policy
we have and that was part of the discussions we
had about the length of contract. If we'd had a
a longer agreement then that would have been possibility. But
we were all party for really clear that if it
was a shorter term contract like that, that was the
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agreement we'd have that to come in, will be available
for the All Blacks later in twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Six Any pressure though from Razor should it be later
in the time games you hold on? Come on?
Speaker 10 (08:23):
No, I think everyone's everyone's clear.
Speaker 9 (08:24):
We had a number of conversations at the start of
the year, didn't we, And I think Rays has been
really clear that having been in the role now for
eighteen months, certainly after his first twelve months, he saw
the real benefit and saw the flexibility we have with
the eligibility policy, saw the benefits of it, and also
saw it from both sides in terms of us needing
to be fair and reasonable with all the.
Speaker 10 (08:45):
Players we have in our environments.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
So look, I've not talked to Razor in the last
little while about this, but no, he's he's pretty clear
about where things stand here.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
As far as discussions, not only with Richie, but I'm
presuming with one of your old mates, old teammates, Todd Blackett.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Did you did you talk to him?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Did you pick anything up from him? After having him
under control mine and his team that went on to
win yet another championship.
Speaker 9 (09:13):
We had a couple of chats last year, you know,
when unfortunately there was a bit of speculation. So Toddy
and I have known each other a long time. Again,
won't go into the details of those chats, but a
lot of respects for him and what he's done in
Japan and what he's given New Zealand rugby, so we
just wanted to make sure we're on the same page
when there's a bit of noise floating around. But they
were great, great chats. He was very helpful and constructive,
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as he always is, and it was nice to catch
up put the art, we sort of the work stuff out,
just to catch up on how he's doing, how the
family is and all that sort of thing, and how
he's doing in life, so that it was a nice way.
Rugby has this funny way of reconnecting with people you've
met over the years, Darcy, so it was good to
catch up with them.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Tell me what it's going to make Super rugby before
the World Cup. I almost won't say a battle of
standoff between the first five eighths, but I think rugby
fans in New zen And will be looking to what
Bowden Barrett thinks how Damien McKenzie re You've got the
other guys like Rubin Love and Stephen Penafetta. This is
going to create i won't say angst, but pretty stern
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competition in that first up super season of the year
of the World Cup.
Speaker 10 (10:17):
Isn't it.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (10:18):
I mean it's what fans want, isn't it.
Speaker 9 (10:20):
They want to see the best playing the best, and
we've got a lot of depth and talent coming through.
We saw that in Super Rugby this year. We know
that fans love seeing these these very elite players and
the emerging stars come through and competing against you that
all the storylines you just talked to, all the speculation about,
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you know, some of those possibilities are all what you
know following Super Rugby is all about. And then the
anticipation of the All Blacks. So's it's fantastic for environments.
When we look across you know, our retention rates and
some of the announcements we've made in recent months, some
we've got, you know, just ahead of us in the
next month or so left to make.
Speaker 10 (10:59):
See, we're really pleased with the level of.
Speaker 9 (11:02):
Talent we're keeping in the country and need to have
people like Richie and Less. They're obviously recent coming back
into New Zealand is a really good sign that we're
you know, we're creating great environments for our players, great
competitions and in fantastic calendar.
Speaker 10 (11:15):
When you think about next.
Speaker 9 (11:17):
Year with the South Africa Versus All Black Series and
the first Nations Championship, hopefully we'll be everyone ounce more
about those in coming months. You've got two lines too,
as men's and women's, and we'll host South Africa back
here for a long old school tour in twenty thirty.
You know, I think athletes are certainly sitting up and
taking notice at these pinnacle events once in a lifetime,
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once in a career types sort of opportunities, and they
want to be part of them.
Speaker 10 (11:43):
And we're just toughed that that's happening.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Not sure if you paid too much attention to the
media in genuine see Stephen Jones has been causing a
ruckasa over in England, suggesting maybe that the Lions don't
need to come next time around and maybe they can
delay that. You are across any of that at all
about the lines.
Speaker 9 (11:58):
Future, well, we had Stephen wouldn't be aware of this,
but we had a fantastic meeting in Sydney last week
with the Lions and the build up to the last test.
Speaker 10 (12:08):
We had a whole day.
Speaker 9 (12:09):
Midweek and yeah, plans are steaming along really well. We're
hugely excited about where things sit there. We spend a
lot of time talking about the potential schedule, you know,
the number of tests of non tests of what the
they've worked towards a joint venture model and more recent
tours Darcy with South Africa which was unfortunately impacted by
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COVID and then Australia this year, so that's a new
model we're sort of getting our heads around and understanding
more about.
Speaker 10 (12:37):
So we spend a lot of time on that.
Speaker 9 (12:38):
And look, you know, the Line are hugely excited about
coming to New Zealand and we're looking forward to having
them here.
Speaker 10 (12:43):
And then we of course spend a lot of time.
Speaker 9 (12:46):
We're getting closer to announcing the what the format and
nature of the Woman's Lines two of the inaugural Women's
Lines Tour in twenty twenty seven will be and that's
that's going to be.
Speaker 10 (12:56):
Super exciting as well.
Speaker 9 (12:57):
We're really excited about where we're landing with that, with
that program, so no, Stephen might be a little bit
off course there, but that won't be the first time
and probably won't be the last.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
With the media, mate, that's what we do. One last thing,
I was talking to the former chair of Rugby Australia
yesterday around the concept or the release that pretty much
eligibility laws have been punted over with Rugby Australia and
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maybe there's a lot more players disappearing off shore you
across that does that ultra or just anything that needs
on Rugby plan on doing when you look at the
amount of nations now who are basically there their players go.
Speaker 10 (13:40):
We didn't pick that up last week.
Speaker 9 (13:42):
It wasn't certainly for all the meetings we were in
last week it didn't come up. So and Phil's Phil
wore my counterpart at Australia's having a bit of a
well earned break at the moment, I think he's in
He's in God's own down and Wontica at the moment Warri.
So we've not had the chance to chat, but I
mean I've only read what you've read, Darcy, and at
one level that sort of made a statement that day,
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were you know, not observing Ghiddo law anymore? And then
another level they were saying it was sort of stand
up there to been the case for a while now,
so until I talked to Philip, I probably couldn't comment
too much. But it also said I think we've got
to recognize really strongly working to keep all the best
talent they can in Australia and that's really important for
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the competitional obviously, so I don't want to read too
much into it. I don't know whether they were caught
out talking about that in the aftermath of the Lions
or what's happened there, but we're expecting them to have
the best possible talent they can keep in the country
and we saw the benefit of that with less teams
in Australia, you know, and the concentration of that talent
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across four teams certainly meant they were far more competitive
this year and that was great for the comp.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Ozzie Rugby needs to be strong because we all know
it works extraordinarily well for New Zealand rugby. Mark Robinson,
thanks for joining us. They congratulations on finally getting Richie
over the line. Huge news means he's come back. Let's
start faring a nuku and as a Crusaders fan. I'm
dancing right now, mate, Thank you very much.
Speaker 11 (15:06):
Good mad enough for the DMO.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk call eight hundred
News Talk.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Twenty two after seven, CEO of NDS, said Mark or Robinson,
joining us then to talk about the re signing of
Richie Mwana away from Tashiba.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Will be coming.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Back in black. But there are some first hilks for
them on the way back, not straight back into the
black jersey. That's the nature of the rulings that they make.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
It seems a little silly to me. He's going to
come back. He's going to come back, and then who
cares chuck them in your rules?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
All right?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Your rules? You make the rules well, Rugby don't tell
you what to do, and there's exceptions and rules right
the way through employment.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It ends it up. We want you back.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You want to come back, stand the torpedoes when it
comes to our rule and get back there. Have a
couple of games and then we'll chuck you straight back
in an all black jersey. Surely they want the best
at a Richie and surely.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
He'd appreciate that as well.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
And more on that with Todd Blackadder head coach of
Tashiba who has been using Richard's magic for the love.
Speaker 10 (16:18):
I wonder if he actually.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Calls him Richard Richie's magic over the last couple of years,
Todd blacking around the corner.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
We can take your calls next though.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. So what does this
decision mean for Boden Barrett mean for d mac Is
Boden Barrett on notice?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
How will this affect what he does? Damien McKenzie, what
about him?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
What about Peter Fifth or if he gets off the
injured list?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Rubin Love, I tell you what I'm seeing here, but
I'll tell you surely, But I want to know what
the effect this is going to have.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
On the current all black ten stock?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
What does this say to these players?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Oh, eight hundred and.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Eighty ten eighty lines are open. There's a News Talks
AB at seven twenty four.
Speaker 10 (17:15):
Yeah, walk right out the fire. Yeah, you trying to
keep it down.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Forget the riff's call. You make a call on eight
hundred eighty eight Sports Talk on your home of Sports
News Talks it balks.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
B Sports Talk on News Talks EB. Is that that
liner before that came through it says, forget the ref's call,
that that's irresponsible from a sports broadcasting point of view,
always pay attention to the referee and attention to the warriors.
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That I mean you like, if you don't blow a whistle,
don't stop playing at to get that end of the night, right,
Let's get to the phones. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty free phone number nation wide. What does this mean
for Goden Bart and for DMAK and for the other
first five's floating around? Is this a punch in the nose?
Is this a finger in the eye to those guys
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going we're going to take a guy whos been playing
rugby and Japan for three years and we're going to
insert them into the side. I suppose they dulled the
pain somewhat by not letting him climb straight back into
a black jersey. Go over there and stand in the
NPC corner, young man. They don't teach her running away?
Well maybe they're not that punitive, but your calls please,
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oh one hundred eighty ten eighty text nineteen nine two
standard text judge does apply my cesse.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
Hello, Hey, that's how are you?
Speaker 10 (19:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Good?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Br what's up?
Speaker 11 (19:02):
Hey? Yeah, just wanted to you know, comment on the
on the Tins and news inner only playing with with
Richie Mona coming back, I think it's a good thing.
I think I'm a book believer of iron Chopin's iron
and if we can get more of our players back
consisting against each other. And I grew up in the
era of Murderen versus Carlos, you know, and you were
you know, you debated on who should have touch start
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and stuff, and it was good for the game because
it made us excited on who they were going to pick.
And so Breden Bear hasn't solidified the tin spot. The
eMac last year didn't solidify it, and so it would
be good for for Richie to come back and they
can contest for it. And I'm also a book believer
on having our tens here ready to go with just
in case. You know, twenty eleven, how many first fives
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did we go through? Didn we you know, we just
poured someone out of fishing and we won the World Cup.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So Donald, get over there, put this jersey on, it
doesn't fit, put it on, don't kick a goal? Well,
I think that the attitude and from what I don't
I don't know. Damien McKenzie particularly well, i'd say, and
I Boden Bear particular well as well. But didn't you
get on reasonably well Boden. I've got match for an
idea about his psyche than than than DMAK. I've spoken
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to him a lot more times. But if I know
Boden Barrett for what it's worth, you say, steel, sharp
and steel. This will do exactly that. I think he'll
stand up, he'll raise another level because he did that
when d Mack flogged his jersey. When I'm on first
fight step aside, I'll show you how it's done, and
I think it'll project him to greater things. I think
this would be great for both.
Speaker 11 (20:33):
Of those guys, Yeah, for sure. And I think i'll yeah,
I'll believe in that. And I just want to see
our best players here. I think it gives each other
and being able to see where our best teams are
and things like that. So good good timing. I hope
you did. I wish he didn't leave us, but he did.
Now he's back, so it's li'sten. Brace said in the celebrator.
I guess he's on back.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Year does he's got We've got a while await year
he's got another season to go to Sheba, maybe win
himself another title. But yeah, he back for eighteen months
July twenty six to the end of twenty twenty seven.
More see thanks very much for your called on to
a Stranger O eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It's seven
point thirty. This is sports talk. He's probably the happiest
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man and the moth do right now, Harlow Graham, have
you painted yourself completely in random black?
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Now? Do you have clothes on?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yes?
Speaker 12 (21:25):
I have got clothes on, so what it's worth it?
They've got a Canterbary top on too. But now I'm delighted,
Darcy over the moon. I see no bad side to this.
There's plenty of people that do you know, I was
making comments about Richie that you know, look at the
end of the day, it's not about people's feelings. The
contract I think is very fair. He's going to play
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for Canterbury and I know you plugged away at Mark
Robinson about you know, getting fast tracked, but nom at
ease of that. You know, it's like Lister FuG and
Herkley playing for Tasman, you know, starting this weekend. You know,
I think that's that's been fair to people.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
But it's preferable about being fair because I think in
particular circumstance, the concert affair goes out the window if
it works well.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
For the union.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So in this case, would we want to playing as
much top level rugby as possible before a break, then
into Super rugby before a World Cup? Wouldn't that make
more sense to you?
Speaker 12 (22:26):
Well, I don't think. Well, I'm just happy was what's
happened today. As I say, there's plenty of people around
outside of christ Church pouring cold water on us and
you know a lot of us just playing jealousy because
we won another title this year and Richie Mulonga him
coming back is great news for christ Church. He was
a great man when he was here with the people.
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He did a lot off the field, more than many
players that were before him, you know, in all black
and you know it's fishally all black jerseys, great with
the fans here in town and what the perfect way
of bringing him back in You're going to get a
hundred different opinions. But I think what they've stitched up
is it's fair in the sense well and say that
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is that they're not bringing him back straight away and
putting them in all black jersey and then they go
what about Bowden and dmat you know, you know he's
going to play probably close to full season of Canterbury
and then take him on the end of your tour
like Leicester.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
We'll probably.
Speaker 12 (23:34):
And it's you know, raised enoughter wants to win the
World Cup and I you know, I haven't agreed with
everything this year, but I do agree that getting him
back is you know, it's crucial. But plenty of people disagree,
but no, I'm just really happy Darcy.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
It's great to hear Grayman, thanks very much for your
court and make some good scenes there as well about
bringing him back as opposed to trigger happy Douce put
him straight in the team.
Speaker 10 (23:59):
That's all right?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
What actual She talk with Tom Blackett as current coach
later on the piece ten minutes or so in the
program about what Richie Muwanga brings me. We talked to
him when they won their last title and he poured
so much praise on him as man management's control and
says growth who he is as a player and a human.
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I don't think it would have changed, but we'll find out.
So is he capable of just climbing straight in and
going on a tour of the orbles. Does he really
need to play the Canary really.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Well?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
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is this a shootout in Super Rugby? It's just fair
and right.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Well it happened, so it must be right.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I think a shootout and Super rugby for the bit
and you've got to do it right at the start. Right,
Let's prep for the World Cup at the start of
the season, not a four year program.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Building up to it, because that doesn't work. We've got
South Africa throw.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Our team together a week before the comment still want
it this news Talks mb.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
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and eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Our thoughts around Richie Muwanga finding his comeback, staying a
long long time to get this over the line. We'll
still find it peculiar that due to the vagaries of
the contract, the eighteen month length, it's got to come
back and playing PC for a bit when there's rugby
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at an.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
All black level going on?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Would it would it be more beneficial to actually have
him in the program with robertson. It wouldn't surprise me
closer to the time if Scott Robinson goes, look, guys,
I'm the coach.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Do what I say.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Put them on the team. We need it, we need
them there. I mean, Graham made some good points around
maybe why that isn't such a grand idea. I'm allowed
to disagree and we'll see what happens. Long run wise,
let's run through some texts. Plenty of great texts around this.
I would like to hear your voice though at one
hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Let's go from the start of it.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Buden merit is a ten, but he's at the end
of his career. It's good for Richie. It lightens the
load on Boden Barrett to peak for the World Cup.
We need both to win in twenty twenty seven. It's
great for you see on rugby, Murray, thanks very much
for that. A combo effort, no doubt, but not like
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if it's someone playing out the back and someone playing
at ten that don't be doing that. I'll go back
to what I said before, This will bring the best
out of Bowden Barrett, as we saw Damien McKenzie. It
will bring a lot out of Damien McKenzie as well,
and maybe some of the younger guys are floating around.
Raiser said, we want the best players early in the piece.
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Now that's the winning attitude. We know, we know we
need to get.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Get them, now, get them in, get him In.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Another point, my Matt, it means nothing. Darcy Richie still
has to prove himself. He has one of the worst
one percentages in All Black history as.
Speaker 10 (27:49):
A ten.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
You mean one, not as in the numeral one, as
in winning. Anyway, he had the keys to the car
with the rock star forward pack and the greatest number
nine seigns have received. In front of their lost two
World Cups, I wouldn't say they lost two World Cups.
Say the other team won the World Cups, and I
think in the last World Cup almost beyond the control
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of the All Blacks. Then the way the decisions went,
he said, winging about a referee, it was completely out
of his depth, out of his mind. The guy in
the middle was too. Don't listen to your touchies, don't
listen to the guy up in the box. He doesn't
know rugby. You can't go back that far. I'm going
to get over that eventually, I really am. But Richie
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and more mature player, and we'll talk with Tod Blackhead
it shortly about what he is going to actually bring
to the role. Darcy, I think this is a bad move.
What is it telling not only our current players but
also the younger players who are committed to the All Blacks.
No wonder we are losing players to overseas the point,
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but some players like we had diary Misspuwanga on last
week saying, look, I read books. I've got a broad mind.
I want to do more with my life. I'm not
just here to play rugby. So I had an opportunity
to make a pile of money and get the hell
out and I did.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
See.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I think the narrative for young rugby players now was
very different to what it was five, ten, twenty.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Fifty years ago. Very different.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
It's not about being an All Black per se. It's
about being a more rounded human and using the vehicle
of rugby union to assist in your development.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
But thanks for your text, Richie Boden and d Mac
played musical chairs over the number ten. Jersey's another. So
Richie goes after a decent salary elsewhere. Then he comes
back to find the chairs are still there. No good
will come of this, John, thanks very much for that.
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Or even no one else is out of their chair
into it, hasn't it? And Ruben loves going. I've got
a chair. They're a feta. We have a players, but
they disappeared. A text here says Darcy. We've got heaps
of hugely talented number tens.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Check out young Harry Godfrey.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
He has a huge future and we want to see that.
And that's what I made the mention before setting up
the all backs. And when you set them up to
come in with us, Hair Brain three year plan to
me is be on the port insane at start of
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the year, the start of the World Cup. Right, we're
going to pick the players in form. We're gonna put
the players we know we can trust, and we are
going to play Watson in front of us and what's
happening at the time, lean back on.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
The past. I think that's what's so encouraging about this. Richie.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You're a chance to stand up, Bowden say of you
dmax of you.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I'm going to pick the best work for South Africa.
Didn't it someone else said Gareth?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Sorry, writes Darcy, who's coming back from Japan a better
player nobody that I can think of. Gareth, thanks very
much for that. And I'm interested in this text because
I think it's wrong. The ends are have paid out
millions to get him out of his contract. That's money
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they don't have. It seems Razor is getting everything his
own way and it'll be a hard for when he fails.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Don't think so.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Richie signed a three year contract with Poshiba, being twenty four.
I don't think he don't reguniate anything to get out
of his contract. You just stopped this contract. You're going
to retime and do it again next.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
AnyWho. Yeah, Richie played in the last two World Cup.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Losing team teams, teams. It's not a one man game.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
AnyWho.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
This News Talks here. B Todd Blackadder joins us next
here on sports Talk. I'm sorry that your thirteen to
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sports Talk on News Talking ZB and Darcy water Game.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Hello, how are you?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I know somebody's coached Richie Muanga for the last three
years with some success. Last two years excuse you with
some success.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I might add been playing over at Tashiba. Head coach.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Is one Todd Blackheader.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
He joins us now, Hello Todd.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Goody Darcy. Always a pleasure to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
My friend, and thank you very much for answering the phone.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Big day for New Zealand Rugby.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
They final minutes to get Richie Muwanga back in the faulty,
albeit for a shorter contract only eighteen months. But the
bottom line is we've got them back. Last time we spoke,
you told me about the state he's in, the condition
he's in. You think he's even better play. Is that
still the same today months down the track?
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Oh gosh, yeah, you can see that. You know the
way that Richie is, and he obviously wants to come back.
He's got ambition and he's got a burning desire and
probably an itch to go to the next World Cup.
But I think what it really does to you know,
putting pen to paper shows has commitment and whereas heat
space is at so well, I think it's a great
for not just him but New Zealand rugby. And like
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I could, I could say so many good things about
that man, not just as a rugby player, but as
a leader and as a person. And I think he's
going to come back a better all rounded guy, with
a different perspective, with a probably a different view than
where he's probably was before he left New Zealand. And
I think he's going to come back and have a
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massive impact. I really do.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Is that purely age or experiencing a different culture or
the quality of rugby predominantly? What is that development? How
has that come about?
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Do you think, Todd?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I think it's all everything that what you said, you know,
like it's scanning with your family, it's been in one
place and seeing the way other teams and other cultures
do things. And probably you know, there's parts of it
too that he's probably thought, you know, I really miss
I really missed the big stage, and that's obviously by
not playing international rugby. This is probably you know, last
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opportunity to really do that. And he's been in a
really good environment with Dashiva and he's probably in a
really good space. So I think all of those things
have probably come together to make this a really really
good decision, not just for Richie, but you know, the
Crusaders and Cannerbury and and the All Blacks as well, do.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
You want him back again once he's finished?
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Oh, Tashiva would have him in a heartbeat. He has
just been absolutely fantastic. You know the three three he's
coming up to his last season, but you know the
two that we've had him, he has just been instrumental
to turning the club around, and a huge part of
success has to be at his feet, because you know,
he's just such a leader. But even more than that
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what he is off the field. He's just such a
good man, and he's a real connector, and he cares
and he's helped. I have to say that I've learned
a lot from him personally as well, and just his
interactions in the way that he with the coaches and
the way that he conducts himself. He would be welcome
back and he could be there as long as he
wanted to be. How long is he going to take
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to get back into the swing of it. He's on
his way back. He's not playing the All Blacks to start.
It's the nature of the contract of the n z R.
Spoke with Mark Robinson about this seems to be the
way it's falling into place. But he'll be playing NPC
first after m PC then he rolls back into the
big dance.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
How long do you think he's going to need before
he's right and ready.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Probably about two weeks if he's coming straight back from
Japan and into the Durne July test window. I mean,
you see the boys everywhere else in the world. They
just fit straight and Jordi Barrett did the same. You're
talking about a world class player like guys for the life.
For me, I don't know why injured put in eligibility
or rules that don't allow players to come back and
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play straight away. It seems a little bit bizarre to me,
but I probably don't know all the ins and outs.
But if a guy's committed that is prepared to come
back for the next eighty months to go the way through,
and you just play them straight away if he's available.
But gosh, he must be other decisions that I don't
know about. But anyway, it won't taken long to get
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up to speed.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
That's just the nature of dealing with all blacks and
dealing rugby players. And I Robo said, that's signed, it's done,
it's a deal. It's eighteen months, nothing's going to change.
They've they've crossed all their hurdles but injured. Our need
to roll with the punches, don't they When you look
at the fact that maybe Super Rugby in New Zealand
might not go so good. The Australians are now being
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cut loose. They can play wherever they want. I think
they've got to be very, very elastic in their thinking
and that may well change the next year.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Well, I think it's really clear that you know there
is you know, I do agree with the policy that
you have to be in New Zealand to be an
all Black. I think if that were the overseas, I
think that would be a massive can of worms because
you know just the talent Paul and obviously in PC,
and you know all the pathways, all those things that
we could talk about for hours and hours. But you know,
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you've got a guy fully committed coming back to New
Zealand and yet they've got rules that don't allow him
to play. To later in the season airs, I said, like,
I haven't been involved for so long, I probably don't
understand all the reasons why. But also too, if you
just do the obvious, he's back, but he's not available,
So obviously that's the way that it is. But hey,
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he'll get back and you have a massive impact for
Canterbury and the Crusaders, and he'll be ready to go.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
What messages does this send to the first five eighths
that are still here, the likes of Boden Barrett, the
likes of Damian Mackenzie, maybe some of the young guys
coming through, what would they I mean, you can't climb
into their minds, Todd obviously, but what kind of message
does this send to them as players?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I think it's great. I think it's time to really
get competitive, isn't it. You know, like the more players
you've gotten, vying for the spot, making each other better,
competing all of those sort of things. I think it's
a great challenge. You know, you've got a guy coming
back with Richie who's prepared to really challenge and and
nothing you take nothing for granted, nothing's ever given. So
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you know they'll select the best players that are playing,
and I'm sure that that pool of teams or for
things or whatever whatever, who those players are, then you
know they will just have to be the very best
to compete.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So yet Evan back in a heartbeat, what about yourself?
How long are you going to be over there? How
long have we lost you to Tasheba because you always
sound so comfortable every time I call you.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
I've got two more seasons with this and then I'll
definitely be finishing, and then after that I'll just have
to just see what happens. But anyway, I just usually
go week to week. But I've got another two seasons
with Sheba, which I'm really excited and looking forward to.
So it'll be after the year that Richie finishes, which
will obviously he will leave a big void there and
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my job will be to make sure that the team
can still function without him, which will be not an
easy job to do.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
It'll be your job to get up to New Zealand
and sign someone else, right.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Ah know, we'll see how it goes. But yeah, there
could be. It could be one of those teams that
missed out, could be looking for an opportunity somewhere.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
You're a cheeky man.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Top black added. But we appreciate your time and your knowledge.
Thanks very much for joining us here on news talks.
He'd be look after yourself like you're not.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Yeah, cheers does You're always a pleasure mate?
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Speaker 2 (40:01):
It be five minutes to eight.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Todd Blackadder there for my Crusader's.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Coach from All Black currently coaching over in Tashiba, and
he has had Richie mu Wanger as one of his
players over the last couple of years and plainly hugely
appreciates the talents of Richie, not only on the park,
but what he brings off the park as well, which
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is also important. It's quite triggering this conversation with quite
a few people. Jason writes, Richie has been and gone.
Why is he suddenly the go too? I think he
was good, but never the backbone of an All Black team.
I don't know many critical games where he changed the
game and won it for the All Blacks. We're sounding
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desperate when we don't need to be.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Jason fairpoint, this.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Is not grassroots rugby, writes another show, The Young Ones,
a show the bb humble be the bridge. I'm quite
sure what that means, Paul, but I'll be a bridge.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Thank you very much for that. Razor as Blind writes Keith.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
He's forgotten his no longer the Crusaders coach. I think
he knows, especially after that shaky old first he what
was it, ten victories fourteen four losses.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
He's not very crusadery, is it.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I think he's well aware of it now and probably
shaking the shackles to a degree and starting to be
more of the coach that Crusaders fans know he can be.
But approve of the budding and the eating, and we'll
start eating again toward the end of the season.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
We'll just see how it goes. It didn't Jordi.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Barrett come back from overseas and go straight into the
AB's asking for a friend.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Barry year he did a.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Different contract situation. I don't make so generous with Richard.
And this is from Cyril. Sarah writes that I'm so blinkered. Richly,
he writes, has been in two Rugby World Cups. He
lost twenty nineteen. He missed two tackles, he tried twenty
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three South Afrigary mister penalty South Africa did not miss
Why you're infatuation with a loser, I'm not infatuated by him,
and I don't think he's a loser.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Only stretched the imagination.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
But I'm Sarah, maybe he should ask Todd Blacket.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
I think he knows a word about coaching and rugby.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
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Evening. Welcome into Sports Talk. How is it? Seven minutes
out seven of this? It's Thursday, the seventh of August,
digit Away from the Beast seven to seven seven on
Darcy Waldgrave with you through until eight o'clock tonight as
we talk ugby of an evening, big day for New
Zealand rugby after what six months of wrangling maybe even more?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Richard Malwana is on his.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Way home, but only for three, three, six eighteen. It's
not very long, right, eighteen eighteen months, which means he
doesn't get to play immediately and he's got to play
the NPC and why we'll find out more about that.
As CEO of Insit Mark Robinson joins the program. What
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do they have to deal with? How do they get
this over the line? How long that I go on for?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
The list goes on?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Are they going to be flexible when it comes to
maybe Razor goes ah, you know what? Actually want to
back a bit earlier back of the NPC. Let's just
chuck them straight back into the All Blacks Jersey. Maybe
possibly have they done this before?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
It's their rules.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
That's about a break them anyway. Robo joins us shortly.
Also because it's a story about it can tab coming
back to playing Canterbury and Mark Robinson CEO of Inside
are played for Canterbury and the Crusaders. I thought i'd
carry on with that tip and Todd Blackett joins the
program too. Todd, of course has been overseeing Richie mul
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Wonga since he's been on a sabbatical.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
He gives a thought about where.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
He's at and what happens next, and well if he
and back I expect an absolute flashy would back to
to Sheba Todd that blackheaded joins us later on the piece,
and you get to shake up the Canterbury bias by
ringing through if you're not from Canabi, now anyone can
ring through. What does this mean for Bowden, Barrett and
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Damien McKenzie. This becomes a super rugby shootout? Does it not?
For selection for the World Cup over in Australia. That's
a good thing, right, it is a good thing.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Tell me it's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh eight hundred and eighteen ten eighty lines will be
open after we hear from Mark Robinson.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
But before any of that, let's do a whole lot
of this.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Today.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Stray Muana is back, Baby, the Crusader's head coach, Rob
Penny is still Dan doesn't think he'll need much time
in a super jerzy rich as hungry is as he
is to play every week, he won't need to play
every week to be an all Black and we can
facilitate a lot of need with him and the group.
I think they quite like him to play a lot anyway.
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Jacob Darfy will do and test cracket for the Black
Cats and just under an hour's time the Southern Paceman
who was assisted by Rob Walter. Then who's the black
Cats coach now? Right history. Jacob is cognizant of the
efforts of others on his journey to test crickets.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Now reflect on the things that I've done to get
here in terms of my action change with Rob back
in the day and little tweaks here from a jack orum,
and there's so many people just have their say along
the way, And I guess as a player it's for
you to maneuver and around all those coaches and you
find it works for best few.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, well, you know about the nature of the eleven
two possibility that two more pacemen will make their Test debut,
which means Matt Henry is going to be the only
old paceman in that side. We will see those new
AKF c Auckland Football Club signing Lackland. Brook wants to
play as much as he can and with a smile
on his dial, the ockle wing has played all of
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the globe and he's happy to be back in Australasia.
Speaker 7 (04:10):
And if you're not playing, you're not going to get selected.
And for me is more about just enjoying myself again. Obviously,
when you're not playing games and you're living far from home,
it's a big sacrifice to be away when you're not
doing what you love. So being closer to home and
family and stuff is going to be huge.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Thank you very much, young man. And Ryan Fox, two
time PGA two winner this year as his eyes on
another prize that's qualifying for the season ending to a championship.
He's ranked thirty six and currently he needs to be
inside the top thirty to get.
Speaker 8 (04:40):
In the one big Golder took off now for the
rest of the year is to make that tour championship
and need one good week out of the next two
weeks to do that and can kind of just go
out and give it a good crack and whatever happens happens,
and it's a nice place to be.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
And he teas off and men for some on the
PGA tour at one thirty tomorrow morning. And that's sport today, right,
let's get into it. Richie Moore hung back. Finally it's
been done. It's been sort of signed, sealed, delivered, tied
up with a bow on it and the lights talk
about that. We're joined by Chief executive of the New
Zealand Rugby Mark Robinson. Very well, hey mate, thanks for
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joining us on the show Big News Today. Obviously, Richie Muanga,
it's finally over the line. Something that you guys. Well,
first up, I'll ask it, how long have you been
negotiating this for O.
Speaker 9 (05:31):
Look, it's obviously been a bit of speculation over the
last you know, twelve to eighty months, but.
Speaker 10 (05:39):
In practical terms, the.
Speaker 9 (05:41):
Most meaningful conversations have been happening for the last few
months really, probably since sort of April or so.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
When you're doing this, you're pulling it out. What are
the major points of negotiation, What were the sticking points.
What were the easy points around getting him home again?
Speaker 9 (05:58):
Oh look, I think you know al to me, this
is Richie's decision, isn't it.
Speaker 10 (06:01):
And we're delighted.
Speaker 9 (06:03):
Obviously, he's a great talent.
Speaker 10 (06:06):
He's been a great servant of the game here in
New Zealand.
Speaker 9 (06:08):
He you know, contributes incredibly well on and off the field.
So primarily with any athlete, you know, I've got to
be wanting to be part of our environments and our teams,
and Richie certainly wants to do that.
Speaker 10 (06:22):
He has a strong.
Speaker 9 (06:23):
Hunger and desire to be back in New Zealand, so
that was always a really positive start point. I'm obviously
not going to go under the details of it, but
you know, we had some discussions about the length of contract.
Speaker 10 (06:36):
That was probably the main thing.
Speaker 9 (06:38):
But ultimately, you know, Richie's decided to go through to
the end of the World Cup, which we're really pleased
by and we're looking forward to having him home.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So eighteen month contract and I think that maybe flies
in the face. Although you guys can make your own
rules because you are nz A, you can do what
you want. But the story is floating around about his
ability to be fast tracked back into the All Blacks.
Maybe he has been stemied because of the short term
nature of the contract.
Speaker 9 (07:04):
Yeah, that's right, he'll be He'll be available for the
All Blacks and the latter part of twenty twenty six,
and the exact dates on that aren't clear yet because
the calendar and competition's work is still to be finalized.
That'll be announced hopefully in the next two or three
months and were no more than but at this stage
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it'll be in the latter part of twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Six, so that means he won't be playing for the
All Blacks initially. He's got to come back and do
some time in the NPC before he gets that the
tick to go ahead and pull.
Speaker 10 (07:37):
On a Black jersey again, that's right.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Was that negotiated? Is there a chance that that might
move with Scott robertson go Actually, if we won for
the World Cut, we need to get him back in
Black as soon as possible. There is there a wiggle
room there.
Speaker 9 (07:50):
Mark, Oh, look, this is the reality of the policy
we have and that was part of the discussions we
had about the length of contract. If we'd had a
a longer agreement then that would have been possibility. But
we were all party for really clear that if it
was a shorter term contract like that, that was the
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agreement we'd have that to come in, will be available
for the All Blacks later in twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Six Any pressure though from Razor should it be later
in the time games you hold on? Come on?
Speaker 10 (08:23):
No, I think everyone's everyone's clear.
Speaker 9 (08:24):
We had a number of conversations at the start of
the year, didn't we, And I think Rays has been
really clear that having been in the role now for
eighteen months, certainly after his first twelve months, he saw
the real benefit and saw the flexibility we have with
the eligibility policy, saw the benefits of it, and also
saw it from both sides in terms of us needing
to be fair and reasonable with all the.
Speaker 10 (08:45):
Players we have in our environments.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
So look, I've not talked to Razor in the last
little while about this, but no, he's he's pretty clear
about where things stand here.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
As far as discussions, not only with Richie, but I'm
presuming with one of your old mates, old teammates, Todd Blackett.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Did you did you talk to him?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Did you pick anything up from him? After having him
under control mine and his team that went on to
win yet another championship.
Speaker 9 (09:13):
We had a couple of chats last year, you know,
when unfortunately there was a bit of speculation. So Toddy
and I have known each other a long time. Again,
won't go into the details of those chats, but a
lot of respects for him and what he's done in
Japan and what he's given New Zealand rugby, so we
just wanted to make sure we're on the same page
when there's a bit of noise floating around. But they
were great, great chats. He was very helpful and constructive,
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as he always is, and it was nice to catch
up put the art, we sort of the work stuff out,
just to catch up on how he's doing, how the
family is and all that sort of thing, and how
he's doing in life, so that it was a nice way.
Rugby has this funny way of reconnecting with people you've
met over the years, Darcy, so it was good to
catch up with them.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Tell me what it's going to make Super rugby before
the World Cup. I almost won't say a battle of
standoff between the first five eighths, but I think rugby
fans in New zen And will be looking to what
Bowden Barrett thinks how Damien McKenzie re You've got the
other guys like Rubin Love and Stephen Penafetta. This is
going to create i won't say angst, but pretty stern
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competition in that first up super season of the year
of the World Cup.
Speaker 10 (10:17):
Isn't it.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (10:18):
I mean it's what fans want, isn't it.
Speaker 9 (10:20):
They want to see the best playing the best, and
we've got a lot of depth and talent coming through.
We saw that in Super Rugby this year. We know
that fans love seeing these these very elite players and
the emerging stars come through and competing against you that
all the storylines you just talked to, all the speculation about,
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you know, some of those possibilities are all what you
know following Super Rugby is all about. And then the
anticipation of the All Blacks. So's it's fantastic for environments.
When we look across you know, our retention rates and
some of the announcements we've made in recent months, some
we've got, you know, just ahead of us in the
next month or so left to make.
Speaker 10 (10:59):
See, we're really pleased with the level of.
Speaker 9 (11:02):
Talent we're keeping in the country and need to have
people like Richie and Less. They're obviously recent coming back
into New Zealand is a really good sign that we're
you know, we're creating great environments for our players, great
competitions and in fantastic calendar.
Speaker 10 (11:15):
When you think about next.
Speaker 9 (11:17):
Year with the South Africa Versus All Black Series and
the first Nations Championship, hopefully we'll be everyone ounce more
about those in coming months. You've got two lines too,
as men's and women's, and we'll host South Africa back
here for a long old school tour in twenty thirty.
You know, I think athletes are certainly sitting up and
taking notice at these pinnacle events once in a lifetime,
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once in a career types sort of opportunities, and they
want to be part of them.
Speaker 10 (11:43):
And we're just toughed that that's happening.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Not sure if you paid too much attention to the
media in genuine see Stephen Jones has been causing a
ruckasa over in England, suggesting maybe that the Lions don't
need to come next time around and maybe they can
delay that. You are across any of that at all
about the lines.
Speaker 9 (11:58):
Future, well, we had Stephen wouldn't be aware of this,
but we had a fantastic meeting in Sydney last week
with the Lions and the build up to the last test.
Speaker 10 (12:08):
We had a whole day.
Speaker 9 (12:09):
Midweek and yeah, plans are steaming along really well. We're
hugely excited about where things sit there. We spend a
lot of time talking about the potential schedule, you know,
the number of tests of non tests of what the
they've worked towards a joint venture model and more recent
tours Darcy with South Africa which was unfortunately impacted by
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COVID and then Australia this year, so that's a new
model we're sort of getting our heads around and understanding
more about.
Speaker 10 (12:37):
So we spend a lot of time on that.
Speaker 9 (12:38):
And look, you know, the Line are hugely excited about
coming to New Zealand and we're looking forward to having
them here.
Speaker 10 (12:43):
And then we of course spend a lot of time.
Speaker 9 (12:46):
We're getting closer to announcing the what the format and
nature of the Woman's Lines two of the inaugural Women's
Lines Tour in twenty twenty seven will be and that's
that's going to be.
Speaker 10 (12:56):
Super exciting as well.
Speaker 9 (12:57):
We're really excited about where we're landing with that, with
that program, so no, Stephen might be a little bit
off course there, but that won't be the first time
and probably won't be the last.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
With the media, mate, that's what we do. One last thing,
I was talking to the former chair of Rugby Australia
yesterday around the concept or the release that pretty much
eligibility laws have been punted over with Rugby Australia and
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maybe there's a lot more players disappearing off shore you
across that does that ultra or just anything that needs
on Rugby plan on doing when you look at the
amount of nations now who are basically there their players go.
Speaker 10 (13:40):
We didn't pick that up last week.
Speaker 9 (13:42):
It wasn't certainly for all the meetings we were in
last week it didn't come up. So and Phil's Phil
wore my counterpart at Australia's having a bit of a
well earned break at the moment, I think he's in
He's in God's own down and Wontica at the moment Warri.
So we've not had the chance to chat, but I
mean I've only read what you've read, Darcy, and at
one level that sort of made a statement that day,
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were you know, not observing Ghiddo law anymore? And then
another level they were saying it was sort of stand
up there to been the case for a while now,
so until I talked to Philip, I probably couldn't comment
too much. But it also said I think we've got
to recognize really strongly working to keep all the best
talent they can in Australia and that's really important for
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the competitional obviously, so I don't want to read too
much into it. I don't know whether they were caught
out talking about that in the aftermath of the Lions
or what's happened there, but we're expecting them to have
the best possible talent they can keep in the country
and we saw the benefit of that with less teams
in Australia, you know, and the concentration of that talent
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across four teams certainly meant they were far more competitive
this year and that was great for the comp.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Ozzie Rugby needs to be strong because we all know
it works extraordinarily well for New Zealand rugby. Mark Robinson,
thanks for joining us. They congratulations on finally getting Richie
over the line. Huge news means he's come back. Let's
start faring a nuku and as a Crusaders fan. I'm
dancing right now, mate, Thank you very much.
Speaker 11 (15:06):
Good mad enough for the DMO.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk call eight hundred
News Talk.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Twenty two after seven, CEO of NDS, said Mark or Robinson,
joining us then to talk about the re signing of
Richie Mwana away from Tashiba.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Will be coming.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Back in black. But there are some first hilks for
them on the way back, not straight back into the
black jersey. That's the nature of the rulings that they make.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
It seems a little silly to me. He's going to
come back. He's going to come back, and then who
cares chuck them in your rules?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
All right?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Your rules? You make the rules well, Rugby don't tell
you what to do, and there's exceptions and rules right
the way through employment.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It ends it up. We want you back.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You want to come back, stand the torpedoes when it
comes to our rule and get back there. Have a
couple of games and then we'll chuck you straight back
in an all black jersey. Surely they want the best
at a Richie and surely.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
He'd appreciate that as well.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
And more on that with Todd Blackadder head coach of
Tashiba who has been using Richard's magic for the love.
Speaker 10 (16:18):
I wonder if he actually.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Calls him Richard Richie's magic over the last couple of years,
Todd blacking around the corner.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
We can take your calls next though.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. So what does this
decision mean for Boden Barrett mean for d mac Is
Boden Barrett on notice?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
How will this affect what he does? Damien McKenzie, what
about him?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
What about Peter Fifth or if he gets off the
injured list?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Rubin Love, I tell you what I'm seeing here, but
I'll tell you surely, But I want to know what
the effect this is going to have.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
On the current all black ten stock?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
What does this say to these players?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Oh, eight hundred and.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Eighty ten eighty lines are open. There's a News Talks
AB at seven twenty four.
Speaker 10 (17:15):
Yeah, walk right out the fire. Yeah, you trying to
keep it down.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Forget the riff's call. You make a call on eight
hundred eighty eight Sports Talk on your home of Sports
News Talks it balks.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
B Sports Talk on News Talks EB. Is that that
liner before that came through it says, forget the ref's call,
that that's irresponsible from a sports broadcasting point of view,
always pay attention to the referee and attention to the warriors.
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That I mean you like, if you don't blow a whistle,
don't stop playing at to get that end of the night, right,
Let's get to the phones. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty free phone number nation wide. What does this mean
for Goden Bart and for DMAK and for the other
first five's floating around? Is this a punch in the nose?
Is this a finger in the eye to those guys
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going we're going to take a guy whos been playing
rugby and Japan for three years and we're going to
insert them into the side. I suppose they dulled the
pain somewhat by not letting him climb straight back into
a black jersey. Go over there and stand in the
NPC corner, young man. They don't teach her running away?
Well maybe they're not that punitive, but your calls please,
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oh one hundred eighty ten eighty text nineteen nine two
standard text judge does apply my cesse.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
Hello, Hey, that's how are you?
Speaker 10 (19:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Good?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Br what's up?
Speaker 11 (19:02):
Hey? Yeah, just wanted to you know, comment on the
on the Tins and news inner only playing with with
Richie Mona coming back, I think it's a good thing.
I think I'm a book believer of iron Chopin's iron
and if we can get more of our players back
consisting against each other. And I grew up in the
era of Murderen versus Carlos, you know, and you were
you know, you debated on who should have touch start
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and stuff, and it was good for the game because
it made us excited on who they were going to pick.
And so Breden Bear hasn't solidified the tin spot. The
eMac last year didn't solidify it, and so it would
be good for for Richie to come back and they
can contest for it. And I'm also a book believer
on having our tens here ready to go with just
in case. You know, twenty eleven, how many first fives
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did we go through? Didn we you know, we just
poured someone out of fishing and we won the World Cup.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So Donald, get over there, put this jersey on, it
doesn't fit, put it on, don't kick a goal? Well,
I think that the attitude and from what I don't
I don't know. Damien McKenzie particularly well, i'd say, and
I Boden Bear particular well as well. But didn't you
get on reasonably well Boden. I've got match for an
idea about his psyche than than than DMAK. I've spoken
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to him a lot more times. But if I know
Boden Barrett for what it's worth, you say, steel, sharp
and steel. This will do exactly that. I think he'll
stand up, he'll raise another level because he did that
when d Mack flogged his jersey. When I'm on first
fight step aside, I'll show you how it's done, and
I think it'll project him to greater things. I think
this would be great for both.
Speaker 11 (20:33):
Of those guys, Yeah, for sure. And I think i'll yeah,
I'll believe in that. And I just want to see
our best players here. I think it gives each other
and being able to see where our best teams are
and things like that. So good good timing. I hope
you did. I wish he didn't leave us, but he did.
Now he's back, so it's li'sten. Brace said in the celebrator.
I guess he's on back.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Year does he's got We've got a while await year
he's got another season to go to Sheba, maybe win
himself another title. But yeah, he back for eighteen months
July twenty six to the end of twenty twenty seven.
More see thanks very much for your called on to
a Stranger O eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It's seven
point thirty. This is sports talk. He's probably the happiest
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man and the moth do right now, Harlow Graham, have
you painted yourself completely in random black?
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Now? Do you have clothes on?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yes?
Speaker 12 (21:25):
I have got clothes on, so what it's worth it?
They've got a Canterbary top on too. But now I'm delighted,
Darcy over the moon. I see no bad side to this.
There's plenty of people that do you know, I was
making comments about Richie that you know, look at the
end of the day, it's not about people's feelings. The
contract I think is very fair. He's going to play
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for Canterbury and I know you plugged away at Mark
Robinson about you know, getting fast tracked, but nom at
ease of that. You know, it's like Lister FuG and
Herkley playing for Tasman, you know, starting this weekend. You know,
I think that's that's been fair to people.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
But it's preferable about being fair because I think in
particular circumstance, the concert affair goes out the window if
it works well.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
For the union.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So in this case, would we want to playing as
much top level rugby as possible before a break, then
into Super rugby before a World Cup? Wouldn't that make
more sense to you?
Speaker 12 (22:26):
Well, I don't think. Well, I'm just happy was what's
happened today. As I say, there's plenty of people around
outside of christ Church pouring cold water on us and
you know a lot of us just playing jealousy because
we won another title this year and Richie Mulonga him
coming back is great news for christ Church. He was
a great man when he was here with the people.
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He did a lot off the field, more than many
players that were before him, you know, in all black
and you know it's fishally all black jerseys, great with
the fans here in town and what the perfect way
of bringing him back in You're going to get a
hundred different opinions. But I think what they've stitched up
is it's fair in the sense well and say that
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is that they're not bringing him back straight away and
putting them in all black jersey and then they go
what about Bowden and dmat you know, you know he's
going to play probably close to full season of Canterbury
and then take him on the end of your tour
like Leicester.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
We'll probably.
Speaker 12 (23:34):
And it's you know, raised enoughter wants to win the
World Cup and I you know, I haven't agreed with
everything this year, but I do agree that getting him
back is you know, it's crucial. But plenty of people disagree,
but no, I'm just really happy Darcy.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
It's great to hear Grayman, thanks very much for your
court and make some good scenes there as well about
bringing him back as opposed to trigger happy Douce put
him straight in the team.
Speaker 10 (23:59):
That's all right?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
What actual She talk with Tom Blackett as current coach
later on the piece ten minutes or so in the
program about what Richie Muwanga brings me. We talked to
him when they won their last title and he poured
so much praise on him as man management's control and
says growth who he is as a player and a human.
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I don't think it would have changed, but we'll find out.
So is he capable of just climbing straight in and
going on a tour of the orbles. Does he really
need to play the Canary really.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Well?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
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cost you a standard text charge. Oden barrett On notes,
is this a shootout in Super Rugby? It's just fair
and right.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Well it happened, so it must be right.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I think a shootout and Super rugby for the bit
and you've got to do it right at the start. Right,
Let's prep for the World Cup at the start of
the season, not a four year program.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Building up to it, because that doesn't work. We've got
South Africa throw.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Our team together a week before the comment still want
it this news Talks mb.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
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Speaker 2 (25:41):
Our thoughts around Richie Muwanga finding his comeback, staying a
long long time to get this over the line. We'll
still find it peculiar that due to the vagaries of
the contract, the eighteen month length, it's got to come
back and playing PC for a bit when there's rugby
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at an.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
All black level going on?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Would it would it be more beneficial to actually have
him in the program with robertson. It wouldn't surprise me
closer to the time if Scott Robinson goes, look, guys,
I'm the coach.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Do what I say.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Put them on the team. We need it, we need
them there. I mean, Graham made some good points around
maybe why that isn't such a grand idea. I'm allowed
to disagree and we'll see what happens. Long run wise,
let's run through some texts. Plenty of great texts around this.
I would like to hear your voice though at one
hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Let's go from the start of it.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Buden merit is a ten, but he's at the end
of his career. It's good for Richie. It lightens the
load on Boden Barrett to peak for the World Cup.
We need both to win in twenty twenty seven. It's
great for you see on rugby, Murray, thanks very much
for that. A combo effort, no doubt, but not like
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if it's someone playing out the back and someone playing
at ten that don't be doing that. I'll go back
to what I said before, This will bring the best
out of Bowden Barrett, as we saw Damien McKenzie. It
will bring a lot out of Damien McKenzie as well,
and maybe some of the younger guys are floating around.
Raiser said, we want the best players early in the piece.
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Now that's the winning attitude. We know, we know we
need to get.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Get them, now, get them in, get him In.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Another point, my Matt, it means nothing. Darcy Richie still
has to prove himself. He has one of the worst
one percentages in All Black history as.
Speaker 10 (27:49):
A ten.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
You mean one, not as in the numeral one, as
in winning. Anyway, he had the keys to the car
with the rock star forward pack and the greatest number
nine seigns have received. In front of their lost two
World Cups, I wouldn't say they lost two World Cups.
Say the other team won the World Cups, and I
think in the last World Cup almost beyond the control
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of the All Blacks. Then the way the decisions went,
he said, winging about a referee, it was completely out
of his depth, out of his mind. The guy in
the middle was too. Don't listen to your touchies, don't
listen to the guy up in the box. He doesn't
know rugby. You can't go back that far. I'm going
to get over that eventually, I really am. But Richie
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and more mature player, and we'll talk with Tod Blackhead
it shortly about what he is going to actually bring
to the role. Darcy, I think this is a bad move.
What is it telling not only our current players but
also the younger players who are committed to the All Blacks.
No wonder we are losing players to overseas the point,
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but some players like we had diary Misspuwanga on last
week saying, look, I read books. I've got a broad mind.
I want to do more with my life. I'm not
just here to play rugby. So I had an opportunity
to make a pile of money and get the hell
out and I did.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
See.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I think the narrative for young rugby players now was
very different to what it was five, ten, twenty.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Fifty years ago. Very different.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
It's not about being an All Black per se. It's
about being a more rounded human and using the vehicle
of rugby union to assist in your development.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
But thanks for your text, Richie Boden and d Mac
played musical chairs over the number ten. Jersey's another. So
Richie goes after a decent salary elsewhere. Then he comes
back to find the chairs are still there. No good
will come of this, John, thanks very much for that.
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Or even no one else is out of their chair
into it, hasn't it? And Ruben loves going. I've got
a chair. They're a feta. We have a players, but
they disappeared. A text here says Darcy. We've got heaps
of hugely talented number tens.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Check out young Harry Godfrey.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
He has a huge future and we want to see that.
And that's what I made the mention before setting up
the all backs. And when you set them up to
come in with us, Hair Brain three year plan to
me is be on the port insane at start of
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the year, the start of the World Cup. Right, we're
going to pick the players in form. We're gonna put
the players we know we can trust, and we are
going to play Watson in front of us and what's
happening at the time, lean back on.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
The past. I think that's what's so encouraging about this. Richie.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You're a chance to stand up, Bowden say of you
dmax of you.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I'm going to pick the best work for South Africa.
Didn't it someone else said Gareth?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Sorry, writes Darcy, who's coming back from Japan a better
player nobody that I can think of. Gareth, thanks very
much for that. And I'm interested in this text because
I think it's wrong. The ends are have paid out
millions to get him out of his contract. That's money
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they don't have. It seems Razor is getting everything his
own way and it'll be a hard for when he fails.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Don't think so.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Richie signed a three year contract with Poshiba, being twenty four.
I don't think he don't reguniate anything to get out
of his contract. You just stopped this contract. You're going
to retime and do it again next.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
AnyWho. Yeah, Richie played in the last two World Cup.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Losing team teams, teams. It's not a one man game.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
AnyWho.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
This News Talks here. B Todd Blackadder joins us next
here on sports Talk. I'm sorry that your thirteen to
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sports Talk on News Talking ZB and Darcy water Game.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Hello, how are you?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I know somebody's coached Richie Muanga for the last three
years with some success. Last two years excuse you with
some success.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I might add been playing over at Tashiba. Head coach.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Is one Todd Blackheader.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
He joins us now, Hello Todd.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Goody Darcy. Always a pleasure to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
My friend, and thank you very much for answering the phone.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Big day for New Zealand Rugby.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
They final minutes to get Richie Muwanga back in the faulty,
albeit for a shorter contract only eighteen months. But the
bottom line is we've got them back. Last time we spoke,
you told me about the state he's in, the condition
he's in. You think he's even better play. Is that
still the same today months down the track?
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Oh gosh, yeah, you can see that. You know the
way that Richie is, and he obviously wants to come back.
He's got ambition and he's got a burning desire and
probably an itch to go to the next World Cup.
But I think what it really does to you know,
putting pen to paper shows has commitment and whereas heat
space is at so well, I think it's a great
for not just him but New Zealand rugby. And like
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I could, I could say so many good things about
that man, not just as a rugby player, but as
a leader and as a person. And I think he's
going to come back a better all rounded guy, with
a different perspective, with a probably a different view than
where he's probably was before he left New Zealand. And
I think he's going to come back and have a
(33:54):
massive impact. I really do.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Is that purely age or experiencing a different culture or
the quality of rugby predominantly? What is that development? How
has that come about?
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Do you think, Todd?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I think it's all everything that what you said, you know,
like it's scanning with your family, it's been in one
place and seeing the way other teams and other cultures
do things. And probably you know, there's parts of it
too that he's probably thought, you know, I really miss
I really missed the big stage, and that's obviously by
not playing international rugby. This is probably you know, last
(34:27):
opportunity to really do that. And he's been in a
really good environment with Dashiva and he's probably in a
really good space. So I think all of those things
have probably come together to make this a really really
good decision, not just for Richie, but you know, the
Crusaders and Cannerbury and and the All Blacks as well, do.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
You want him back again once he's finished?
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Oh, Tashiva would have him in a heartbeat. He has
just been absolutely fantastic. You know the three three he's
coming up to his last season, but you know the
two that we've had him, he has just been instrumental
to turning the club around, and a huge part of
success has to be at his feet, because you know,
he's just such a leader. But even more than that
(35:11):
what he is off the field. He's just such a
good man, and he's a real connector, and he cares
and he's helped. I have to say that I've learned
a lot from him personally as well, and just his
interactions in the way that he with the coaches and
the way that he conducts himself. He would be welcome
back and he could be there as long as he
wanted to be. How long is he going to take
(35:31):
to get back into the swing of it. He's on
his way back. He's not playing the All Blacks to start.
It's the nature of the contract of the n z R.
Spoke with Mark Robinson about this seems to be the
way it's falling into place. But he'll be playing NPC
first after m PC then he rolls back into the
big dance.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
How long do you think he's going to need before
he's right and ready.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Probably about two weeks if he's coming straight back from
Japan and into the Durne July test window. I mean,
you see the boys everywhere else in the world. They
just fit straight and Jordi Barrett did the same. You're
talking about a world class player like guys for the life.
For me, I don't know why injured put in eligibility
or rules that don't allow players to come back and
(36:18):
play straight away. It seems a little bit bizarre to me,
but I probably don't know all the ins and outs.
But if a guy's committed that is prepared to come
back for the next eighty months to go the way through,
and you just play them straight away if he's available.
But gosh, he must be other decisions that I don't
know about. But anyway, it won't taken long to get
(36:39):
up to speed.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
That's just the nature of dealing with all blacks and
dealing rugby players. And I Robo said, that's signed, it's done,
it's a deal. It's eighteen months, nothing's going to change.
They've they've crossed all their hurdles but injured. Our need
to roll with the punches, don't they When you look
at the fact that maybe Super Rugby in New Zealand
might not go so good. The Australians are now being
(37:03):
cut loose. They can play wherever they want. I think
they've got to be very, very elastic in their thinking
and that may well change the next year.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Well, I think it's really clear that you know there
is you know, I do agree with the policy that
you have to be in New Zealand to be an
all Black. I think if that were the overseas, I
think that would be a massive can of worms because
you know just the talent Paul and obviously in PC,
and you know all the pathways, all those things that
we could talk about for hours and hours. But you know,
(37:32):
you've got a guy fully committed coming back to New
Zealand and yet they've got rules that don't allow him
to play. To later in the season airs, I said, like,
I haven't been involved for so long, I probably don't
understand all the reasons why. But also too, if you
just do the obvious, he's back, but he's not available,
So obviously that's the way that it is. But hey,
(37:54):
he'll get back and you have a massive impact for
Canterbury and the Crusaders, and he'll be ready to go.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
What messages does this send to the first five eighths
that are still here, the likes of Boden Barrett, the
likes of Damian Mackenzie, maybe some of the young guys
coming through, what would they I mean, you can't climb
into their minds, Todd obviously, but what kind of message
does this send to them as players?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I think it's great. I think it's time to really
get competitive, isn't it. You know, like the more players
you've gotten, vying for the spot, making each other better,
competing all of those sort of things. I think it's
a great challenge. You know, you've got a guy coming
back with Richie who's prepared to really challenge and and
nothing you take nothing for granted, nothing's ever given. So
(38:42):
you know they'll select the best players that are playing,
and I'm sure that that pool of teams or for
things or whatever whatever, who those players are, then you
know they will just have to be the very best
to compete.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So yet Evan back in a heartbeat, what about yourself?
How long are you going to be over there? How
long have we lost you to Tasheba because you always
sound so comfortable every time I call you.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
I've got two more seasons with this and then I'll
definitely be finishing, and then after that I'll just have
to just see what happens. But anyway, I just usually
go week to week. But I've got another two seasons
with Sheba, which I'm really excited and looking forward to.
So it'll be after the year that Richie finishes, which
will obviously he will leave a big void there and
(39:25):
my job will be to make sure that the team
can still function without him, which will be not an
easy job to do.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
It'll be your job to get up to New Zealand
and sign someone else, right.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Ah know, we'll see how it goes. But yeah, there
could be. It could be one of those teams that
missed out, could be looking for an opportunity somewhere.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
You're a cheeky man.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Top black added. But we appreciate your time and your knowledge.
Thanks very much for joining us here on news talks.
He'd be look after yourself like you're not.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Yeah, cheers does You're always a pleasure mate?
Speaker 1 (39:52):
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Speaker 2 (40:01):
It be five minutes to eight.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Todd Blackadder there for my Crusader's.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Coach from All Black currently coaching over in Tashiba, and
he has had Richie mu Wanger as one of his
players over the last couple of years and plainly hugely
appreciates the talents of Richie, not only on the park,
but what he brings off the park as well, which
(40:27):
is also important. It's quite triggering this conversation with quite
a few people. Jason writes, Richie has been and gone.
Why is he suddenly the go too? I think he
was good, but never the backbone of an All Black team.
I don't know many critical games where he changed the
game and won it for the All Blacks. We're sounding
(40:47):
desperate when we don't need to be.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Jason fairpoint, this.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Is not grassroots rugby, writes another show, The Young Ones,
a show the bb humble be the bridge. I'm quite
sure what that means, Paul, but I'll be a bridge.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Thank you very much for that. Razor as Blind writes Keith.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
He's forgotten his no longer the Crusaders coach. I think
he knows, especially after that shaky old first he what
was it, ten victories fourteen four losses.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
He's not very crusadery, is it.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I think he's well aware of it now and probably
shaking the shackles to a degree and starting to be
more of the coach that Crusaders fans know he can be.
But approve of the budding and the eating, and we'll
start eating again toward the end of the season.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
We'll just see how it goes. It didn't Jordi.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Barrett come back from overseas and go straight into the
AB's asking for a friend.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Barry year he did a.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Different contract situation. I don't make so generous with Richard.
And this is from Cyril. Sarah writes that I'm so blinkered. Richly,
he writes, has been in two Rugby World Cups. He
lost twenty nineteen. He missed two tackles, he tried twenty
(42:02):
three South Afrigary mister penalty South Africa did not miss
Why you're infatuation with a loser, I'm not infatuated by him,
and I don't think he's a loser.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Only stretched the imagination.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
But I'm Sarah, maybe he should ask Todd Blacket.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
I think he knows a word about coaching and rugby.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Right, That's what I did conju with h. Thank you
very much Corbyn for producing and for a millicix for
looking over his shoulder on us and want to grade
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