July 22, 2024 • 42 mins
Jason Pine returns to recap a full day in the world of sport! Highlights for tonight include:
Rugby commentator Ken Laban discussing the impact of Ardie Savea moving to Moana Pasifika and the potential of more big moves for Moana Pasifika.
Hurricanes CEO Avan Lee on the loss of Ardie.
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to talk some sport. Artie Savias Hurricanes days are over.
Artie Savia busting through the middle, Artie Savia springing towards
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the line, not gonna read the night this time. That's
a great tray by Artie Savia and become the Hurricanes
so many times, so many times. He's been massive for
the Hurricanes. But Artie Saviers shifted to Mawana Pacifica and
Super Rugby is locked in. This news, first reported by
Liam Napier and The New Zealand Herald on Friday, was
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confirmed by Artie Savier last night and the video posted
to social media. The reigning World Player of the Year
and low long time Hurricane star has signed a deal
to move to more on A Pacifica next season and
until twenty twenty seven. He'll join his older brother and
fifty four test All Blacks winger Julian Savia at the
Auckland based franchise Franchise Rather, and it's been revealed that
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the deal comes with a sabbatical clause for Artie Savia
in twenty twenty six, meaning he won't play Super Rugby
that year, but will be available for the All Blacks,
so Mina Pacifica will have him in twenty twenty five
and twenty twenty seven. In twenty twenty six, by the
sounds of it, he will take up a sabbatical option,
so may well be headed back to Japan. We're going
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to chat shortly with longtime rugby commentator and a very
keen observer from his very young days of artie Savier
ken Laban. We'll also hear from Hurricane CEO Avon Lee
and some of the senior leaders at Moana Pacifica, Patron
Sir Brian Williams and chair Sir Michael Jones. I'm keen
for your thoughts on this move as well, especially fans
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of the two affected franchises might at Pacifica and the Hurricanes.
I get a feeling that fans of Muana will be
beside themselves with joy. What a signing. But what about
Hurricanes fans I've got I mean, I'm a Hurricanes fan,
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Ardie Savia will move from the Hurricanes to Mowana Pacifica
from next season has come.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
Everybody's in a committee meeting except the captain takes it
on himself, takes the tab an individual show.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Of brilliant It's in leadership that is the voice so
of long time a rugby commentator Ken Laban, who has
watched Ardie Zavia probably more than anybody else through schools rugby,
through NPC Super Rugby and onto the All Blacks. Ken,
you're pretty well connected in rugby circles. Did you know
that this move was in the pipeline?
Speaker 7 (05:25):
Well?
Speaker 8 (05:26):
I did think that when Julian signed last year to
go from the Hurricanes to Mina Pasifica, that he wouldn't
be the only save that the Mona Pasofiga organization would
have in the back of their mind. In my time,
well in your time as well. Pineer I can't think
of the biggest signing in the history of Super Rugby
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than this one. From a rugby union perspective, we're talking
about if you were to have a conversation about the
top loose forwards in the world, Artie's in every conversation.
He's at the top of his game. He's been a
stand up, walk up start for the All Blacks for
another five years, is the current Vice Hampton of the team,
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and he's a highly regarded and respected figure in the game.
I guess from a basketball perspective, Lebron James moving from
Cleveland to Miami to the Heat was a big move.
Tom Brady moving from the New England Patriots to the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers now in rugby Union, in my view,
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this is the This is on the same level of
status and profile. This is a player at the absolute
top of his game. I think it's a fantastic signing
for Super Rugby. Not to mention, of course, the impact
is going to have on the minor PACIFICA organization and
as far as Tunna among is concerned, and obviously his
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fingerprints are all over this. It's a sensational move from him.
You will remember that he was the key figure in
sunny Bill Williams coming from rugby league to rugby union,
winning two World Cups along the way. So and also
Tana was a key figure in the conversion of Recor
Joanne from the wing to the midfield. So he has
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a history of innovative, innovative moves and this one absolutely
the whole world is talking about minor pasifeka in the
last forty eight the last forty eight hours. Jason, you
and I know Tana well enough. Artie will not be
the only player he's talking to. They won two games
last year, they won four games this year, they were
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one game out of the playoffs, and he will be
determined to get that, to get the team to be
as seriously competitive as possible over the next couple of years.
So I think it's a great move for the game.
It's appointment obviously for the Hurricanes and those of us
that have followed the Hurricanes since year dot and what
the Savi family has meant to wanting to rugby into
the Hurricanes. But I think in the wider context of
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the game, it's a sensational signing in making his decision.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
What do you think would have been front of mind.
For Ardie Savia.
Speaker 8 (08:06):
Family culture, they would have been the two. They would
have been the two big ones, and it's all Siberia
in mind. Like Ricor Joanni when he was when he
re signed with New Zealand Rugby, he resigned for a
lesser amount of money he could have got overseas because
he wanted to finish his legacy in New Zealand with
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the Blues and with the All Blacks. This is very
similar to Artie Savier and recent years he's become closer
and closer to his culture, to salmon and upbringing part
of the Pacific. Even when he was at Rangatai College,
he was an absolute key part of the Polynesian movement
and his family were huge supporters of the two things
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up the program at its peak, and he was a
key personality and all of that. So obviously he could
have got more money, gone to France or Japan if
he wanted to. But the fact that he's opted to
to stay uses brand as they say, and us his
image to grow to grow Rugby in the Pacific, part
of the minor Pacificer franchise is a real reflection of
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the human being that he is. I think it's a
great move.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
He has so much influence, as you know Ken in
our rugby ecosystem. In fact, I don't think there's anybody
else with greater influence in our rugby ecosystem as a
current player than Nadi Savilla. Do you think others will
follow his lead?
Speaker 8 (09:25):
Well, I'm hearing that Nani, Lol, Mappi and I know
that ton of whatever's number, and we're all hearing Vaya Fafita,
who's a player who unfortunately lets me Zealand way too
soon by a terrific blind side flanker and Locke and
back Raha. He would add some real punch to the
other side of that loves forward combination if it's true,
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And I would think that what Tonna. He's got access
to anybody he wants in the world. So you know,
he's making his move in the off season and I
think it's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
How much will it affect the Hurricanes.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
Well, Peter Lackey has been in the zoo as in waiting.
I wouldn't have been surprised if that might have been
a factor, given her considerate and the kind side of
of Ardi that he's making making way for young Peter
like I do with secretly. Of course, there's a quality
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as well in world class Who's Ford who's been part
of the all black program in recent years as well.
So I wouldn't think that that I would impact hurricanes
as much as it will impact minor pass figure.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And you talked about the wrong TI college days. In hindsight,
it's always a wonderful thing, King, But can you remember
the first time you saw Ardie Savia playing a game
of rugby and what you thought then?
Speaker 8 (10:48):
He was a second five and the wrongs our college
for something we often ever laughed about that when I
first commentator, when I first when I first commentated him,
he was the second five. But when I first came
across him, I was at a junior rugby leadership clinic
when he was eleven years old, coming through the coming
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through the primary school ranks. Of course, you know he's
one school, one province, you know, up until the signing
out of the weekend, only one Super Raguy franchise. So
you know, we've all grown, We've all grown with him.
He's developed from a kid to the to the outstanding
leader that he that he is now. But you know,
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everywhere you go, you know, here locally and around the world.
There's only kind things that people say about Artie started
the person that he is and the player that he is,
and how he's used his profile, you know, to make
to make the world a better place, and you know,
going to minor pats figure when he could easily have
got more money going somewhere else. I think it's a
real move of oppos humility and sincerity and trying to
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do the best for the game.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Great to get your insight, Ken, thanks for joining us tonight,
mate my pleasure man. Thanks Kean ken Labane with her thoughts.
He's pretty well versed, pretty well connected, and if he's
talking about Nannie La Mappe coming to My Pacifica and
via Fafitta as well, then you'd have to think those
discussions are fairly well advanced. I'd be very keen for
your thoughts on this, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
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in particular fans of those two franchises Hurricanes and Moana
Pacifica Morena Pacifica fans. I can only imagine, as I
said before, how much delight this news was greeted with.
But how big a sea change will this bring about
in the team that you follow? Already. As I say,
there's talks of others following Ardie Savier's lead, and he
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will attract players, I mean, who wouldn't want to play
with them. The balance to strike, I guess if you're
in charge of more Ina Pacifica is how do you
continue to demonstrate that there is a pathway for young players?
How do you strike that balance so that it's not
just returning players who have already made their name, perhaps
even represented the All Blacks or even Manu some more
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coming back? And you don't just build a team around
guys at the back end of their career. You show
that there is a pathway. But on that pathway, imagine
being guided along it by players the likes of Artie
Savier and others. So keen to hear from fans of
Mina PACIFICA Hurricanes fans as well. How are you feeling
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about this now? I feel like I can speak from
experience here because they are my team. I've followed them
since their inception in nineteen ninety six. I've watched this
team for what's that nearly three decades now. I sit
over the weekend when this was first being reported, that
once the initial surprise of this had worn off and
I started to think, I guess clearly rather than emotionally,
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I have to say I don't mind it. Of course,
any any rugby fan wants the best players to play
for their team, So of course I would prefer to
get a Hurricanes team in front of me with Artie
Savia in it. But then you you zoom out of
it from it and you imagine the good he could
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do At Mowana Pacifica. They've struggled to find relevance and
competitiveness and what is still a short life. Adding a
player of Artie's ability and stature will immediately improve them.
He'll add plenty to the gate, He'll be a mentor
to young players, will drive them forward through his own
performances and leadership. And Hurricanes fans, you know, who will
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naturally worry about losing the World Player of the Year,
can at least comfort themselves with the reality of what
happened in the last Super Rugby season. Artie was away
in Japan on sabbatical, but the Hurricanes had a pretty
good season and their loose forward stood out. Braden your seat.
He was talked about in all Blacks conversations. He wouldn't
have got that chance of Artie was there, Peter Larcheye,
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Brad Shields, duplasy kodif he, Devin Flanders others. You've got
a fairly decent cohort of loose forwards. Yes, of course
any team would rather have Artie than not have them.
But I think all things considered, for Super Rugby in general,
I think this is a pretty good outcome.
Speaker 9 (15:12):
How are you, jim.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I'm good.
Speaker 10 (15:17):
I'm on the radio sports.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Jimmy with me there, Jimmy, you're with me there? Are
you having a conversation with somebody else?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (15:26):
Yeah, my friend, my friends just enough. I I I
actually support what Adistavia has moved in conversations. Congratulations to
Sir Michael Jones and uh tana Umaga to bring Adistavia
as an icon of a basic Islander player to to
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come to the mount of I'm I'm a Phisian and
uh when the Brewer came over and it was you know,
it was good to have a Fijian uh team to
come up here. And I'd just like to put a
point when uh your you and that you were interviewing
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that he was a second five. Adisavi was a second five.
My nephew. My nephew was with Sony Uh Swanny was
with the Blues team he was the hookah and now
and now he's signed with the Hollanders. And and Sane
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he's a hookah. And Swane was a second five eight
with Mont Albert Gramma and and center so and Kevin
may Lamo associated with Mount Albert Grammer is putting to
the hookah and you know, just a vision of what
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we are looking at the way all Islanders are coming.
I think it's a great move where Addi has moved
to the Mona Pacisica and build two off so upcoming
team LUA and Mouna Pasica where we'll David all our
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Pacific Island players with the with the New Zealand rugby
franchise will move into a competition where we will balance.
That's That's where I'm coming from. And Congressions is to congression.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Well, I'm Jim Well said mate, I totally agree. I
think we all want balance in our competition. Any sporting
competition would like unpredictability every week, not knowing from one
week to the next who the winners were going to
be in that round. I think everybody who played more
one in Pacifica were favorite with the perhaps the exception
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of the war Atars, maybe the Force on occasion. But
if we can have a competition where there is genuine
uncertainty from week to week and from game to game
about who was going to win, let's just bring it
to New Zealand. You know, there was never any real
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sense of jeopardy when Moana Pacifica played one of the
New Zealand teams. It just felt as though, yes, they
could stick with them for a while, but the greater
experience and talent and the other five was going to
ninety nine times out of one hundred override them. Imagine
if you didn't know, imagine if when Mowana Pacifica came
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to your you know, came to sky Stadium, order if
MG and Hamilton or under the roof in Dunedin, you thought,
this is going to be a battle. This will be
a battle. And similarly, if you are going along to
watch them play at home and to host the Blues
or the Chiefs or the Crusaders, whoever it was that
you thought, you know what, we've got a chance here,
We've got a chance, a genuine chance. So if balance
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can be achieved, not just by the movement of one
or two players, but over time then happy days, Happy Days,
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Seven twenty eight talking Artie Savia, Lines open if you'd
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eight hundred eighty ten eighty Piney. Think about the gap
that it leaves for the Canes next great ARTI. He's
moved at the right time for the game to allow
for new talent to come through and exact change. What
he then does with the movers empower the Pacific with
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skills and leadership, terrific governance. Perhaps from New Zealand Rugby.
Ken Laban made the point that part of ARTI moving,
you know perhaps and look, I don't know this to
be true, but it wouldn't be beyond the realms of
possibility that Artie's a thought to himselfull of I'm at
the Hurricanes, then that's fewer opportunities for Peter, Larkeye and Branden.
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You're say, so I'll go, I'll leave you guys to
it at the Hurricanes and open up that pathway. I
don't know that to be true, but it wouldn't be
beyond the realms of possibility. Steve says, point out, I
reckon die. We'll get a black jersey next year. Race
has got a plan to develop young players, so the
incumbents have pressure to perform. Steve, I think he'll still
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be okay. I think he'll still be all right. That
was one thing I saw bandied around today was would
playing in a team with less talent in it effect Artie.
I feel like, rather than sink to the level of
the players around him, I feel like Ardie save would
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lift those around him, not necessarily all up to his level.
That would be impossible, but I can't from what I've
observed on the field. Look, I made this point earlier
with Heather that he's been in Japan for the last
six months, seven months playing at a lower level than
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Super Rugby. You know, Mina Pacifica would probably beat a
lot of those Japanese sites, and yet he came back
and still looked pretty good in a black jersey. Hard
he won't make them any better, says Henry's just one guy.
They only won four games. They won't get much better
just because he's there. All blacks are always talked up
and they don't deliver.
Speaker 10 (21:33):
Well.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I think I'll wait and see on this one, Henry.
But interesting point, Shangs is pintly not sure there are
any boundaries in the professional game. Now look at all
the New Zealand coaches and opposition teams who would have
thought Boden would go to the Blues. No surprises these
days made as to who goes where. Shane, You're dead right,
You're dead right. There's you know, it's all bets are off.
Nothing's off the table, nothing's off the table. I'd like
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to see flower fucka Tava join up with more on
a Pacifica says this one. Yeah, what's what's for ow Tongan?
I think, yeah, well, if this is the catalyst for
others to even give it some thought, to even think
that Mouna Pacifica might be a place they want to
play their rugby.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Then.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
You know, surely that's a good thing. Let's get you
to the Hurricanes CEO Avon Lee, who obviously has had
to say goodbye to one of his club's most iconic players.
He joins us, now, Avan, thanks for taking the time.
Can you maybe talk us through the process first of all,
or talk us through first of all the process behind this,
how this all played out, the negotiations you were having
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with Artie Savia and his decision to move from the Hurricanes.
Speaker 11 (22:42):
He had a clause in his contract that had the
ability to play for another super team. So coming into
the conversations with Artie, obviously we have our ideas and
objectives and so does ARTI, So normal negotiation. You know,
there were times during the process where we didn't agree,
I suppose, but yeah, the relationship with Artie is very good.
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We talked about it after he decided that he was
going to go to Moana. I've been in touch with
him this morning since he's got home. So there's no
residual issues between Artie and the Hurricanes. You know, you've
got to look at the positives for him and Moyana
as well. So yeah, well, while we start to see
him go, he's been a fantastic Hurricane, you know, these
things do happen.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Throughout the process. Did it always feel as though you
might be up against it, that he'd almost made his
mind up that Mawana Pacifica is where he wanted to go, Evan,
Or did you feel like like he might stay with.
Speaker 11 (23:35):
You when we went into it. I think probably Artie
and ourselves were working towards the Hurricanes extension. But during
that process, Artie told us that he wanted to talk
to Moana, and he did and then came back to
us and said that he decided to play there for
a couple of years. So it was all very open,
and like I said, the relationship is still strong.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Do you take some comfort from the fact that you've
just completed a pretty good Super Rugby season with the
Hurricanes going all the way to the semi finals without
Ardie Savia He was on some article in Japan, And
you've got a pretty good bunch of young and some
experience loose forwards at the Hurricanes already.
Speaker 11 (24:14):
Yeah, I mean that's certainly a factor and how we
feel going forward. I mean, I think sometimes when a
star player leaves, other players pick up the slack, and
I think that's what happened this year. And you know,
our loose forwards did a fantastic job and we back
them to do that, and we will back them to
do that going forward.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
If we put a slightly wider lens on this and
look at Super Rugby as a whole, more on a Pacific,
as we all know, have been a struggling Super Rugby franchise.
They haven't managed at any time and they're very short
history to get any consistency in terms of on field
performance or even with crowds. Does this actually Artie moving
to Mawada pacifica boost Super Rugby as a whole as
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a product?
Speaker 11 (24:57):
I think ultimately it is a great competition, tends to
be a very competitive one and you want competitive teams,
so Artie will absolutely help more in that perspective. But yeah,
I think it's it is encouraging for the competition because
you know, you don't want teams that are that are
losing more than more than winning, So having a having
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an excellent competitive competition is a great result.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
And conversely, I guess for the Hurricanes, Artie put bums
on seats at Sky Stadium when he played there, so
do you lose perhaps a little bit of your star attraction?
By by losing Artie.
Speaker 11 (25:33):
I think he you know, he's very popular in this
part of the world. Is his local plays a style
that fans love, So yeah, absolutely there's going to be
there's going to be a factor there. But we do
have a great set of lose forwards available to us,
so you know, we're confident that things will be good
going forward to just.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
To finish, obviously, Artie will join his brother Julian at
Mwana PACIFICA. Julian was with the Hurricanes and and I
don't think it's any any secret that his exit from
the Hurricanes wasn't perhaps as clean as it could have been.
Do you think that was at all a factor in
Artie's mind, The fact that you know of how I
guess he perceived Julian might have been treated at the Hurricanes.
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Do you think that might have played into his thinking here.
Speaker 11 (26:18):
I think Jules and ARTI are very close. Naturally their brothers,
but they're also very close. And you know, I've made
it public that we didn't handle the Julian situation well enough,
so I'm sure for Artie that was in the back
of his back of his mind, But I don't think
that's the reason why he's gone to Mine of PACIFICA.
From our perspective, Artie's been away this year. He's got
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the option to go away again in twenty twenty six,
so he's going to go to one for twenty five
and twenty seven and play for the All Blacks for
those three years. So we just wish them all the best,
like he's been a great Hurricane and he'll always be
a legend of our club, so wish from every success.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Good on you, Thanks Evan, I appreciate your time. Evanlea
CEO there of the Hurricanes. Why by the sounds of it,
you know he wanted him to stay. Of course he would,
of course he would. Why wouldn't he? But yeah, philosophical,
I think from heavenly, you're not going to keep everybody.
Not every player you want to stay is going to stay.
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Simply doesn't happen. Finally, do the Knes get a transfer fee?
The answers, No, there's no, There are no transfer fees
in Super Rugby and Ardie Savier had a clause in
his contract which allowed him to this is New Zealand
Rugby contract to switch Super Rugby franchises if he so chose,
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and clearly I mean, I don't know. I think we
can all probably join some of the dots here, right.
Ardie's always been very close with his brother Julian. They
grew up, you know, Artie grew up idolizing Julian and
you know used to tag along behind him hoping to
get a game with Julian's team when they were young
boys living Adam, Wellington's Eastern suburbs. And through the years,
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whatever team Julian made, Artie wanted to make and did
first fo Dean at Rongatai College, Wellington, Lyons, Hurricanes, all blacks.
They played together in all of those sites. They're very
very close, and so Julian being at Mona Pacifica had
to play a role here, had to. And tana Umanger,
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a hero in Hurricanes country, the only Hurricanes player that's
got an aisle dedicated to them at Sky Stadium. No
Artie might be in the running for something like that.
Tana Umanger's influence here, as ken Laban said, his fingerprints
are all over this. Of course they are. He's the
coach of the team, so together that's pretty powerful. And
(28:53):
then deeper than that, just you know Artie Save's own
thought process, his own sense of responsibility to his Pacific heritage.
Julia must be wrapped, says this text. I bet he is,
I bet he is hardy. Moving to mine in Pacifica
(29:14):
is good for everyone, says this text. But it highlights
the fact that there are not enough New Zealand teams
to have Brandon your Say and Peter Larkey both sitting
on the bench and not playing each week. Is disappointing.
Great that they can now play more and develop at
least eight key. We teams required too many good players
sitting on the bench each week. I think what we're
I think, actually what a better idea would be would
be spreading the talent that we have around the franchises
(29:37):
rather than increase the number. I think five is about right.
It will six if you count on one in Pacifica.
I think that's about right. But when you look at
the Highlanders with how many current door Blacks one Ethan
Degrute is there only one, isn't he? I don't think
there are any other current Highlanders and the all Blacks
flur Fo Catava would be the next closest, wouldn't he?
(29:57):
Have I missed anybody? I don't think I'm missing anybody
from the Highlanders who's in the current Door Black setup.
So I think, you know, a fear a division of
the talent would be a better way of doing that,
but then again there are big roadblocks in front of that.
Pip says absolutely elated for more Wanna, Pacifica and Ferrati.
It will inject the attraction for many and make the
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competition more alive. The Hurricanes will manage. I'm a true
Crusaders supporter for many years, but my elderly mother at
eighty six, loves her Rugby. I can remember her supporting
the Hawk's Bay, Magpies, Wellington and the All Blacks since
I was about seven, so that's nearly fifty five years. Obviously,
she's still a Hurricanes fan and one of my twin daughters.
(30:38):
They wish him well here Kah, thank you, Pip. Mike says,
welcome to my city, Artie. I hope you and your
family enjoy life up here. Mike, I'm sure you'll make
him feel welcome. All right, hundred and eighty ten eighty
If you want to jump aboard Piney's power rankings not
too far away. Just want to have some more voices
from the Mona Pacificer Organization on the Country Sport Breakfast
(31:02):
on Gold Sport. This morning, Patron Sir Brian Williams had
a chat with Ryan Kelly Uh. He was asked whether
this was a perfect signing for them.
Speaker 12 (31:11):
Well, it sure is and Ardi and his brother Julian
obviously have just paid tribute to to their heritage, as
have Tana Humanga and I guess uh, Sir Michael and
myself coming coming on board for this journey. It pays great,
great respect to our to our heritage and you know
(31:34):
we've had our challenges over the years just to have
become established as a Super rugby team of franchise and
arty signing certainly gives it a major boost.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
What will it mean for the Pacific community?
Speaker 12 (31:50):
Oh, most certainly. You know there's so many young Polynesian players,
not only in Auckland, but right throughout the country, Wellington, Northland,
you name it. You know many Pacific Islanders are playing
and just just to know that there's a pathway, you know,
(32:11):
to go into super rugby and play alongside the greats
of the game is going to give Minor Patafka a
huge boost.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Will it also bring greater crowds through the gates, more
bums on seats well.
Speaker 12 (32:24):
Certainly, but hopefully more bums on seats here and at
or as well, because you know, he's a great attraction.
As I said, he's not only a great player, but
a great great man. He's you know, he talks about
mental health and just a general wellbeing of our people
(32:46):
and that's that's what is a really attractive thing about it.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
And finally from Sir Brian Williams, are there more big
signings on the horizon perhaps?
Speaker 12 (32:55):
Well?
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Why not? Why not?
Speaker 12 (32:58):
You know Ardie Ardie is such a draw card. And
you know there are lots of our Pacifical always over
over playing in the UK and Japan and France, and
you know they they want to come back and honor
their heritage, honor their mom and dad, honor their grandparents
(33:20):
and and that's the reason I'm involved certainly, and Sir
Michael and Tanau Wumanga, you know, we we want to
honor our people.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
That is the patron of Werner Pacificate, former All Blacks
Great Sir Brian Williams b G. Hither do plus Yellen
spoke this afternoon with the chair of the franchise, Sir
Michael Jones, and asked them who else they were looking
to get now that they've got Artie sewing up.
Speaker 10 (33:46):
I suppose this would be an exceptional rather than the
norm here that we get getting. We'd always intended to
try and get one with the high profile marquee player
when we started this journey four years ago, and so
you know, we're obviously delayed. It's it's just a mess
of for us. But you know, we do need to
continue to attract players who are going to pin their
(34:08):
college to the building. Pacific Rugby, the I suppose some
or Antonga national teams is very important and that's a
big part of our way. So we will have you know,
one or two like this, but we're always going to
keep our places available primarily for those who are on
their pathway. But it will definitely attract more and there
(34:30):
could be one or two others sort of in a
similar vein of pacifica descent. I suppose who are wanting
to do something similar as Ardi has to. I suppose
as their heritage, and I suppose this is the bladders
thick of the water.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
That is Sir Michael Jones with Heather du Plassy Ellen,
who also asked Sir Michael whether it would in fact
attract more players to Mwana PACIFICA.
Speaker 10 (34:56):
Yeah, I suppose the Ardi effect would be, you know,
more rugby player of the Year last year and still
life captain and one of the highest profile Pacific athletes
and will probably and obviously as a as a rugby player.
You know, his mother is huge, so his influence on
the game there's massive. So yeah, we do think that
(35:18):
it's going to have a positive effect in terms of
you know, just not not so much opening up. You know,
I always said it's a bit of a wave we're writing,
and it's it's getting bigger, but you know, it will
have a bit of a sounamis in many ways for us,
and that would be one way we would hope to
see more players be inspired, I suppose and motivated to
(35:42):
consider this partway.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
So Michael Jones, one of our absolute greats and another
big partner, doubt of the of the move for Artie
Savia Toomwana PACIFICA much more to come on this across
the weeks and months ahead. We haven't heard from Arti himself.
I believe he did do a media conference today for
PACIFICA Media. So we look forward to hearing from Artie
(36:05):
when he he makes himself available to others, hopefully including us.
In the netball they're underway at TSB Arena in Wellington,
the Pulse against the Tactics. The Pulse six to three
ahead early in this one, remembering that the winner of
this game will host the Grand Final in two weeks.
The loser will play the Northern Mystics for the right
to play whoever wins tonight in that Grand Final. So
(36:27):
high stakes netball at TSB Arena. If in fact you
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Time to rate the weekend. Piney's Power Rankings for the
last seventy two hours or so. Tends the Warriors, another
blow to a season already hanging by a bit of
a thread. You wouldn't believer, You would not believer. Three
s kicks.
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It's just that a season for them, Another one, another
one goes astray for the Warriors.
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Nine niner is roofing producer Annie McDonald's previous occupation. But
Shama Joseph has tried his hand at roof removal at
Trent Bridge, and.
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He goes again and he has absolutely mailed it. And
he's taken a few tiles off the roofless well, to
the chagrin that pulls Seated below.
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Eight eight is Tour de France at Jersey winners and
he is going to create his own history.
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He's going to inspire a generation and a nation and
a continent. Billiam Gamai is the Green Jersey of the
Tour de France. The door is open and he's opened it.
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Here Billiam Gamai winning the Green Jersey in what might
be a watershed moment for African sport, but the big
one all about Tada Pagatcha.
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It's been a display of sheer power on this course.
He's even got time to come round the corner and
free well. Taney Pagacha total class, total dominance, six stage wins,
three times Tour de France winner.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
A cyclist at the absolute peak of his powers. Oscar
Pastree at the Hungarian Grand Prix.
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It is Oscar Pistree Grand Prix winner winner in Hungary
and for the first time takes the check of Flaga.
Will stand on the top step of a crand Prix podium.
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Here a a moment first Korea win for the Australia.
Let's go to six Tier two rugby nations producing fireworks,
starting with the Georgians putting together one of the tries
of the year against the Wallabies. Georgia grave with.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
A transfer the kiki's kud from tapusat.
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So's that chas.
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Saprou suta.
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They take it one hundred and ten to.
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The high there line and then Portugal followed suit to
take an early lead against South Africa.
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Less control in the end and Portugal at the chance
to breach it's two online.
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This three on one as a matter of fas and
now the changing time fields and.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
They will not get fist. Portugal are currents open.
Speaker 13 (39:22):
The scoring here in Clumpontaine.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Five five is Jenda choflat at the Open Championship. Brilliant
charm Sada show for late Mary success that don show
for late a second golf major in difficult conditions for
the Americano. Nathan Cleary on his return from injury, once
(39:45):
again playing hero for the Penrith Panthers.
Speaker 13 (39:47):
Don't for Tipper.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Nathan Us Nathan Charles and Japan's a magic coment want
a return and to the top three. The All Blacks debutants.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
The McKinsey left handed ball for the Live Valley Procter
left handed corner pon Devo Derry flung it over on
his right hand side for George Bell who gets to.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Try on Debuna say some of the New Boys gave
a good account of themselves against Fiji.
Speaker 10 (40:26):
Two.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
The South Sudan Means basketball team seconds away from one
of the all time great sporting upsets, and that is it.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
The United States holds on for a win in South Sudan,
three war mints away from what would have been the
biggest win in their country's history, perhaps in any sporting event.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Absolutely incredible, but it's not number one that is key.
We high jumper Hamish Ker.
Speaker 14 (40:58):
Talking Leis bat looks very crushing these Headishkur.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Go from stretch to strength.
Speaker 14 (41:03):
He really is in one of those purple patches at
the moment two thirty three. I mentioned it Coo eight
days ago two thirty Here looking very nice. Hamish Kurt
wins again as he did it in mootco.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah, rarely starting to hit his peak at the right time.
Hamish Kurt number one tonight in Piney's Power Rankings Next
stop Paris. Did you include the smashing of the roof
as a hat tip to your former vocation?
Speaker 15 (41:29):
Not intentionally, but now now that people know that that's
what I was, and possibly I was better at that
than radio producing.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Some would say, anyway, could you.
Speaker 15 (41:37):
Just tell us you don't like cycling, mate, because Taday
pigartra at eights, Oh criminal.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Criminal, always good to get you, always good to get
your feedback, Andrew Criminal. And if we're going to give
nods to our previous vocations, you'll need to find some
form of supermarket shelf stacking for me. You might have
to go back to that if you've got to keep
dropping Tado that far down? All right, Piney's Power Rankings
(42:05):
for A two next Monday Night, Final text for the night.
Already signing for Marla Pacific is great for her Man
the franchise. We need Super Rugby to be a strong
competition across the board to draw fans back to the game.
It can't just be the key we teams that are strong.
We also need to give New Zealand players contracting options
that earn them more money or give them different opportunities
(42:28):
outside of the New Zealand franchises without having to go
to Japan or Europe. The answer is obvious. New Zealand
Rugby needs to let New Zealand players play for any
Super Rugby franchise while still being eligible for All Black selection.
I think you'll get too many arguments from a lot
of people. Things for the text. Thanks for tuning in tonight,
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Andy McDonald, we are here as always until eight o'clock
to talk some sport. Artie Savias Hurricanes days are over.
Artie Savia busting through the middle, Artie Savia springing towards
(01:39):
the line, not gonna read the night this time. That's
a great tray by Artie Savia and become the Hurricanes
so many times, so many times. He's been massive for
the Hurricanes. But Artie Saviers shifted to Mawana Pacifica and
Super Rugby is locked in. This news, first reported by
Liam Napier and The New Zealand Herald on Friday, was
(01:59):
confirmed by Artie Savier last night and the video posted
to social media. The reigning World Player of the Year
and low long time Hurricane star has signed a deal
to move to more on A Pacifica next season and
until twenty twenty seven. He'll join his older brother and
fifty four test All Blacks winger Julian Savia at the
Auckland based franchise Franchise Rather, and it's been revealed that
(02:22):
the deal comes with a sabbatical clause for Artie Savia
in twenty twenty six, meaning he won't play Super Rugby
that year, but will be available for the All Blacks,
so Mina Pacifica will have him in twenty twenty five
and twenty twenty seven. In twenty twenty six, by the
sounds of it, he will take up a sabbatical option,
so may well be headed back to Japan. We're going
(02:44):
to chat shortly with longtime rugby commentator and a very
keen observer from his very young days of artie Savier
ken Laban. We'll also hear from Hurricane CEO Avon Lee
and some of the senior leaders at Moana Pacifica, Patron
Sir Brian Williams and chair Sir Michael Jones. I'm keen
for your thoughts on this move as well, especially fans
(03:06):
of the two affected franchises might at Pacifica and the Hurricanes.
I get a feeling that fans of Muana will be
beside themselves with joy. What a signing. But what about
Hurricanes fans I've got I mean, I'm a Hurricanes fan,
They're my team, have been since their inception in nineteen
ninety six. I've got a few thoughts I'm sure you
will have as well. Go and to open the lines
(03:26):
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Ardie Savia will move from the Hurricanes to Mowana Pacifica
from next season has come.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
Everybody's in a committee meeting except the captain takes it
on himself, takes the tab an individual show.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Of brilliant It's in leadership that is the voice so
of long time a rugby commentator Ken Laban, who has
watched Ardie Zavia probably more than anybody else through schools rugby,
through NPC Super Rugby and onto the All Blacks. Ken,
you're pretty well connected in rugby circles. Did you know
that this move was in the pipeline?
Speaker 7 (05:25):
Well?
Speaker 8 (05:26):
I did think that when Julian signed last year to
go from the Hurricanes to Mina Pasifica, that he wouldn't
be the only save that the Mona Pasofiga organization would
have in the back of their mind. In my time,
well in your time as well. Pineer I can't think
of the biggest signing in the history of Super Rugby
(05:48):
than this one. From a rugby union perspective, we're talking
about if you were to have a conversation about the
top loose forwards in the world, Artie's in every conversation.
He's at the top of his game. He's been a
stand up, walk up start for the All Blacks for
another five years, is the current Vice Hampton of the team,
(06:09):
and he's a highly regarded and respected figure in the game.
I guess from a basketball perspective, Lebron James moving from
Cleveland to Miami to the Heat was a big move.
Tom Brady moving from the New England Patriots to the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers now in rugby Union, in my view,
(06:32):
this is the This is on the same level of
status and profile. This is a player at the absolute
top of his game. I think it's a fantastic signing
for Super Rugby. Not to mention, of course, the impact
is going to have on the minor PACIFICA organization and
as far as Tunna among is concerned, and obviously his
(06:53):
fingerprints are all over this. It's a sensational move from him.
You will remember that he was the key figure in
sunny Bill Williams coming from rugby league to rugby union,
winning two World Cups along the way. So and also
Tana was a key figure in the conversion of Recor
Joanne from the wing to the midfield. So he has
(07:15):
a history of innovative, innovative moves and this one absolutely
the whole world is talking about minor pasifeka in the
last forty eight the last forty eight hours. Jason, you
and I know Tana well enough. Artie will not be
the only player he's talking to. They won two games
last year, they won four games this year, they were
(07:36):
one game out of the playoffs, and he will be
determined to get that, to get the team to be
as seriously competitive as possible over the next couple of years.
So I think it's a great move for the game.
It's appointment obviously for the Hurricanes and those of us
that have followed the Hurricanes since year dot and what
the Savi family has meant to wanting to rugby into
the Hurricanes. But I think in the wider context of
(07:58):
the game, it's a sensational signing in making his decision.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
What do you think would have been front of mind.
For Ardie Savia.
Speaker 8 (08:06):
Family culture, they would have been the two. They would
have been the two big ones, and it's all Siberia
in mind. Like Ricor Joanni when he was when he
re signed with New Zealand Rugby, he resigned for a
lesser amount of money he could have got overseas because
he wanted to finish his legacy in New Zealand with
(08:27):
the Blues and with the All Blacks. This is very
similar to Artie Savier and recent years he's become closer
and closer to his culture, to salmon and upbringing part
of the Pacific. Even when he was at Rangatai College,
he was an absolute key part of the Polynesian movement
and his family were huge supporters of the two things
(08:48):
up the program at its peak, and he was a
key personality and all of that. So obviously he could
have got more money, gone to France or Japan if
he wanted to. But the fact that he's opted to
to stay uses brand as they say, and us his
image to grow to grow Rugby in the Pacific, part
of the minor Pacificer franchise is a real reflection of
(09:09):
the human being that he is. I think it's a
great move.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
He has so much influence, as you know Ken in
our rugby ecosystem. In fact, I don't think there's anybody
else with greater influence in our rugby ecosystem as a
current player than Nadi Savilla. Do you think others will
follow his lead?
Speaker 8 (09:25):
Well, I'm hearing that Nani, Lol, Mappi and I know
that ton of whatever's number, and we're all hearing Vaya Fafita,
who's a player who unfortunately lets me Zealand way too
soon by a terrific blind side flanker and Locke and
back Raha. He would add some real punch to the
other side of that loves forward combination if it's true,
(09:48):
And I would think that what Tonna. He's got access
to anybody he wants in the world. So you know,
he's making his move in the off season and I
think it's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
How much will it affect the Hurricanes.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
Well, Peter Lackey has been in the zoo as in waiting.
I wouldn't have been surprised if that might have been
a factor, given her considerate and the kind side of
of Ardi that he's making making way for young Peter
like I do with secretly. Of course, there's a quality
(10:24):
as well in world class Who's Ford who's been part
of the all black program in recent years as well.
So I wouldn't think that that I would impact hurricanes
as much as it will impact minor pass figure.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And you talked about the wrong TI college days. In hindsight,
it's always a wonderful thing, King, But can you remember
the first time you saw Ardie Savia playing a game
of rugby and what you thought then?
Speaker 8 (10:48):
He was a second five and the wrongs our college
for something we often ever laughed about that when I
first commentator, when I first when I first commentated him,
he was the second five. But when I first came
across him, I was at a junior rugby leadership clinic
when he was eleven years old, coming through the coming
(11:08):
through the primary school ranks. Of course, you know he's
one school, one province, you know, up until the signing
out of the weekend, only one Super Raguy franchise. So
you know, we've all grown, We've all grown with him.
He's developed from a kid to the to the outstanding
leader that he that he is now. But you know,
(11:29):
everywhere you go, you know, here locally and around the world.
There's only kind things that people say about Artie started
the person that he is and the player that he is,
and how he's used his profile, you know, to make
to make the world a better place, and you know,
going to minor pats figure when he could easily have
got more money going somewhere else. I think it's a
real move of oppos humility and sincerity and trying to
(11:52):
do the best for the game.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Great to get your insight, Ken, thanks for joining us tonight,
mate my pleasure man. Thanks Kean ken Labane with her thoughts.
He's pretty well versed, pretty well connected, and if he's
talking about Nannie La Mappe coming to My Pacifica and
via Fafitta as well, then you'd have to think those
discussions are fairly well advanced. I'd be very keen for
your thoughts on this, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
(12:17):
in particular fans of those two franchises Hurricanes and Moana
Pacifica Morena Pacifica fans. I can only imagine, as I
said before, how much delight this news was greeted with.
But how big a sea change will this bring about
in the team that you follow? Already. As I say,
there's talks of others following Ardie Savier's lead, and he
(12:40):
will attract players, I mean, who wouldn't want to play
with them. The balance to strike, I guess if you're
in charge of more Ina Pacifica is how do you
continue to demonstrate that there is a pathway for young players?
How do you strike that balance so that it's not
just returning players who have already made their name, perhaps
even represented the All Blacks or even Manu some more
(13:02):
coming back? And you don't just build a team around
guys at the back end of their career. You show
that there is a pathway. But on that pathway, imagine
being guided along it by players the likes of Artie
Savier and others. So keen to hear from fans of
Mina PACIFICA Hurricanes fans as well. How are you feeling
(13:23):
about this now? I feel like I can speak from
experience here because they are my team. I've followed them
since their inception in nineteen ninety six. I've watched this
team for what's that nearly three decades now. I sit
over the weekend when this was first being reported, that
once the initial surprise of this had worn off and
I started to think, I guess clearly rather than emotionally,
(13:45):
I have to say I don't mind it. Of course,
any any rugby fan wants the best players to play
for their team, So of course I would prefer to
get a Hurricanes team in front of me with Artie
Savia in it. But then you you zoom out of
it from it and you imagine the good he could
(14:06):
do At Mowana Pacifica. They've struggled to find relevance and
competitiveness and what is still a short life. Adding a
player of Artie's ability and stature will immediately improve them.
He'll add plenty to the gate, He'll be a mentor
to young players, will drive them forward through his own
performances and leadership. And Hurricanes fans, you know, who will
(14:30):
naturally worry about losing the World Player of the Year,
can at least comfort themselves with the reality of what
happened in the last Super Rugby season. Artie was away
in Japan on sabbatical, but the Hurricanes had a pretty
good season and their loose forward stood out. Braden your seat.
He was talked about in all Blacks conversations. He wouldn't
have got that chance of Artie was there, Peter Larcheye,
(14:52):
Brad Shields, duplasy kodif he, Devin Flanders others. You've got
a fairly decent cohort of loose forwards. Yes, of course
any team would rather have Artie than not have them.
But I think all things considered, for Super Rugby in general,
I think this is a pretty good outcome.
Speaker 9 (15:12):
How are you, jim.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I'm good.
Speaker 10 (15:17):
I'm on the radio sports.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Jimmy with me there, Jimmy, you're with me there? Are
you having a conversation with somebody else?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (15:26):
Yeah, my friend, my friends just enough. I I I
actually support what Adistavia has moved in conversations. Congratulations to
Sir Michael Jones and uh tana Umaga to bring Adistavia
as an icon of a basic Islander player to to
(15:48):
come to the mount of I'm I'm a Phisian and
uh when the Brewer came over and it was you know,
it was good to have a Fijian uh team to
come up here. And I'd just like to put a
point when uh your you and that you were interviewing
(16:10):
that he was a second five. Adisavi was a second five.
My nephew. My nephew was with Sony Uh Swanny was
with the Blues team he was the hookah and now
and now he's signed with the Hollanders. And and Sane
(16:32):
he's a hookah. And Swane was a second five eight
with Mont Albert Gramma and and center so and Kevin
may Lamo associated with Mount Albert Grammer is putting to
the hookah and you know, just a vision of what
(16:53):
we are looking at the way all Islanders are coming.
I think it's a great move where Addi has moved
to the Mona Pacisica and build two off so upcoming
team LUA and Mouna Pasica where we'll David all our
(17:13):
Pacific Island players with the with the New Zealand rugby
franchise will move into a competition where we will balance.
That's That's where I'm coming from. And Congressions is to congression.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Well, I'm Jim Well said mate, I totally agree. I
think we all want balance in our competition. Any sporting
competition would like unpredictability every week, not knowing from one
week to the next who the winners were going to
be in that round. I think everybody who played more
one in Pacifica were favorite with the perhaps the exception
(17:54):
of the war Atars, maybe the Force on occasion. But
if we can have a competition where there is genuine
uncertainty from week to week and from game to game
about who was going to win, let's just bring it
to New Zealand. You know, there was never any real
(18:17):
sense of jeopardy when Moana Pacifica played one of the
New Zealand teams. It just felt as though, yes, they
could stick with them for a while, but the greater
experience and talent and the other five was going to
ninety nine times out of one hundred override them. Imagine
if you didn't know, imagine if when Mowana Pacifica came
(18:37):
to your you know, came to sky Stadium, order if
MG and Hamilton or under the roof in Dunedin, you thought,
this is going to be a battle. This will be
a battle. And similarly, if you are going along to
watch them play at home and to host the Blues
or the Chiefs or the Crusaders, whoever it was that
you thought, you know what, we've got a chance here,
We've got a chance, a genuine chance. So if balance
(19:01):
can be achieved, not just by the movement of one
or two players, but over time then happy days, Happy Days,
seven twenty five News Talks. Here, we're gonna take a break,
Lines open on ARTI eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine
two nine two. If you would prefer to correspond by
text back after this.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
No need for the DMO. We've got the breakdown on
sports Talk. Call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Seven twenty eight talking Artie Savia, Lines open if you'd
like to join the conversation. Heaps on text, which I
can get to now if you'd like to call though,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty Piney. Think about the gap
that it leaves for the Canes next great ARTI. He's
moved at the right time for the game to allow
for new talent to come through and exact change. What
he then does with the movers empower the Pacific with
(19:49):
skills and leadership, terrific governance. Perhaps from New Zealand Rugby.
Ken Laban made the point that part of ARTI moving,
you know perhaps and look, I don't know this to
be true, but it wouldn't be beyond the realms of
possibility that Artie's a thought to himselfull of I'm at
the Hurricanes, then that's fewer opportunities for Peter, Larkeye and Branden.
(20:10):
You're say, so I'll go, I'll leave you guys to
it at the Hurricanes and open up that pathway. I
don't know that to be true, but it wouldn't be
beyond the realms of possibility. Steve says, point out, I
reckon die. We'll get a black jersey next year. Race
has got a plan to develop young players, so the
incumbents have pressure to perform. Steve, I think he'll still
(20:31):
be okay. I think he'll still be all right. That
was one thing I saw bandied around today was would
playing in a team with less talent in it effect Artie.
I feel like, rather than sink to the level of
the players around him, I feel like Ardie save would
(20:51):
lift those around him, not necessarily all up to his level.
That would be impossible, but I can't from what I've
observed on the field. Look, I made this point earlier
with Heather that he's been in Japan for the last
six months, seven months playing at a lower level than
(21:13):
Super Rugby. You know, Mina Pacifica would probably beat a
lot of those Japanese sites, and yet he came back
and still looked pretty good in a black jersey. Hard
he won't make them any better, says Henry's just one guy.
They only won four games. They won't get much better
just because he's there. All blacks are always talked up
and they don't deliver.
Speaker 10 (21:33):
Well.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I think I'll wait and see on this one, Henry.
But interesting point, Shangs is pintly not sure there are
any boundaries in the professional game. Now look at all
the New Zealand coaches and opposition teams who would have
thought Boden would go to the Blues. No surprises these
days made as to who goes where. Shane, You're dead right,
You're dead right. There's you know, it's all bets are off.
Nothing's off the table, nothing's off the table. I'd like
(21:57):
to see flower fucka Tava join up with more on
a Pacifica says this one. Yeah, what's what's for ow Tongan?
I think, yeah, well, if this is the catalyst for
others to even give it some thought, to even think
that Mouna Pacifica might be a place they want to
play their rugby.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Then.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
You know, surely that's a good thing. Let's get you
to the Hurricanes CEO Avon Lee, who obviously has had
to say goodbye to one of his club's most iconic players.
He joins us, now, Avan, thanks for taking the time.
Can you maybe talk us through the process first of all,
or talk us through first of all the process behind this,
how this all played out, the negotiations you were having
(22:37):
with Artie Savia and his decision to move from the Hurricanes.
Speaker 11 (22:42):
He had a clause in his contract that had the
ability to play for another super team. So coming into
the conversations with Artie, obviously we have our ideas and
objectives and so does ARTI, So normal negotiation. You know,
there were times during the process where we didn't agree,
I suppose, but yeah, the relationship with Artie is very good.
(23:04):
We talked about it after he decided that he was
going to go to Moana. I've been in touch with
him this morning since he's got home. So there's no
residual issues between Artie and the Hurricanes. You know, you've
got to look at the positives for him and Moyana
as well. So yeah, well, while we start to see
him go, he's been a fantastic Hurricane, you know, these
things do happen.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Throughout the process. Did it always feel as though you
might be up against it, that he'd almost made his
mind up that Mawana Pacifica is where he wanted to go, Evan,
Or did you feel like like he might stay with.
Speaker 11 (23:35):
You when we went into it. I think probably Artie
and ourselves were working towards the Hurricanes extension. But during
that process, Artie told us that he wanted to talk
to Moana, and he did and then came back to
us and said that he decided to play there for
a couple of years. So it was all very open,
and like I said, the relationship is still strong.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Do you take some comfort from the fact that you've
just completed a pretty good Super Rugby season with the
Hurricanes going all the way to the semi finals without
Ardie Savia He was on some article in Japan, And
you've got a pretty good bunch of young and some
experience loose forwards at the Hurricanes already.
Speaker 11 (24:14):
Yeah, I mean that's certainly a factor and how we
feel going forward. I mean, I think sometimes when a
star player leaves, other players pick up the slack, and
I think that's what happened this year. And you know,
our loose forwards did a fantastic job and we back
them to do that, and we will back them to
do that going forward.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
If we put a slightly wider lens on this and
look at Super Rugby as a whole, more on a Pacific,
as we all know, have been a struggling Super Rugby franchise.
They haven't managed at any time and they're very short
history to get any consistency in terms of on field
performance or even with crowds. Does this actually Artie moving
to Mawada pacifica boost Super Rugby as a whole as
(24:55):
a product?
Speaker 11 (24:57):
I think ultimately it is a great competition, tends to
be a very competitive one and you want competitive teams,
so Artie will absolutely help more in that perspective. But yeah,
I think it's it is encouraging for the competition because
you know, you don't want teams that are that are
losing more than more than winning, So having a having
(25:19):
an excellent competitive competition is a great result.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
And conversely, I guess for the Hurricanes, Artie put bums
on seats at Sky Stadium when he played there, so
do you lose perhaps a little bit of your star attraction?
By by losing Artie.
Speaker 11 (25:33):
I think he you know, he's very popular in this
part of the world. Is his local plays a style
that fans love, So yeah, absolutely there's going to be
there's going to be a factor there. But we do
have a great set of lose forwards available to us,
so you know, we're confident that things will be good
going forward to just.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
To finish, obviously, Artie will join his brother Julian at
Mwana PACIFICA. Julian was with the Hurricanes and and I
don't think it's any any secret that his exit from
the Hurricanes wasn't perhaps as clean as it could have been.
Do you think that was at all a factor in
Artie's mind, The fact that you know of how I
guess he perceived Julian might have been treated at the Hurricanes.
(26:14):
Do you think that might have played into his thinking here.
Speaker 11 (26:18):
I think Jules and ARTI are very close. Naturally their brothers,
but they're also very close. And you know, I've made
it public that we didn't handle the Julian situation well enough,
so I'm sure for Artie that was in the back
of his back of his mind, But I don't think
that's the reason why he's gone to Mine of PACIFICA.
From our perspective, Artie's been away this year. He's got
(26:40):
the option to go away again in twenty twenty six,
so he's going to go to one for twenty five
and twenty seven and play for the All Blacks for
those three years. So we just wish them all the best,
like he's been a great Hurricane and he'll always be
a legend of our club, so wish from every success.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Good on you, Thanks Evan, I appreciate your time. Evanlea
CEO there of the Hurricanes. Why by the sounds of it,
you know he wanted him to stay. Of course he would,
of course he would. Why wouldn't he? But yeah, philosophical,
I think from heavenly, you're not going to keep everybody.
Not every player you want to stay is going to stay.
(27:19):
Simply doesn't happen. Finally, do the Knes get a transfer fee?
The answers, No, there's no, There are no transfer fees
in Super Rugby and Ardie Savier had a clause in
his contract which allowed him to this is New Zealand
Rugby contract to switch Super Rugby franchises if he so chose,
(27:42):
and clearly I mean, I don't know. I think we
can all probably join some of the dots here, right.
Ardie's always been very close with his brother Julian. They
grew up, you know, Artie grew up idolizing Julian and
you know used to tag along behind him hoping to
get a game with Julian's team when they were young
boys living Adam, Wellington's Eastern suburbs. And through the years,
(28:06):
whatever team Julian made, Artie wanted to make and did
first fo Dean at Rongatai College, Wellington, Lyons, Hurricanes, all blacks.
They played together in all of those sites. They're very
very close, and so Julian being at Mona Pacifica had
to play a role here, had to. And tana Umanger,
(28:28):
a hero in Hurricanes country, the only Hurricanes player that's
got an aisle dedicated to them at Sky Stadium. No
Artie might be in the running for something like that.
Tana Umanger's influence here, as ken Laban said, his fingerprints
are all over this. Of course they are. He's the
coach of the team, so together that's pretty powerful. And
(28:53):
then deeper than that, just you know Artie Save's own
thought process, his own sense of responsibility to his Pacific heritage.
Julia must be wrapped, says this text. I bet he is,
I bet he is hardy. Moving to mine in Pacifica
(29:14):
is good for everyone, says this text. But it highlights
the fact that there are not enough New Zealand teams
to have Brandon your Say and Peter Larkey both sitting
on the bench and not playing each week. Is disappointing.
Great that they can now play more and develop at
least eight key. We teams required too many good players
sitting on the bench each week. I think what we're
I think, actually what a better idea would be would
be spreading the talent that we have around the franchises
(29:37):
rather than increase the number. I think five is about right.
It will six if you count on one in Pacifica.
I think that's about right. But when you look at
the Highlanders with how many current door Blacks one Ethan
Degrute is there only one, isn't he? I don't think
there are any other current Highlanders and the all Blacks
flur Fo Catava would be the next closest, wouldn't he?
(29:57):
Have I missed anybody? I don't think I'm missing anybody
from the Highlanders who's in the current Door Black setup.
So I think, you know, a fear a division of
the talent would be a better way of doing that,
but then again there are big roadblocks in front of that.
Pip says absolutely elated for more Wanna, Pacifica and Ferrati.
It will inject the attraction for many and make the
(30:17):
competition more alive. The Hurricanes will manage. I'm a true
Crusaders supporter for many years, but my elderly mother at
eighty six, loves her Rugby. I can remember her supporting
the Hawk's Bay, Magpies, Wellington and the All Blacks since
I was about seven, so that's nearly fifty five years. Obviously,
she's still a Hurricanes fan and one of my twin daughters.
(30:38):
They wish him well here Kah, thank you, Pip. Mike says,
welcome to my city, Artie. I hope you and your
family enjoy life up here. Mike, I'm sure you'll make
him feel welcome. All right, hundred and eighty ten eighty
If you want to jump aboard Piney's power rankings not
too far away. Just want to have some more voices
from the Mona Pacificer Organization on the Country Sport Breakfast
(31:02):
on Gold Sport. This morning, Patron Sir Brian Williams had
a chat with Ryan Kelly Uh. He was asked whether
this was a perfect signing for them.
Speaker 12 (31:11):
Well, it sure is and Ardi and his brother Julian
obviously have just paid tribute to to their heritage, as
have Tana Humanga and I guess uh, Sir Michael and
myself coming coming on board for this journey. It pays great,
great respect to our to our heritage and you know
(31:34):
we've had our challenges over the years just to have
become established as a Super rugby team of franchise and
arty signing certainly gives it a major boost.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
What will it mean for the Pacific community?
Speaker 12 (31:50):
Oh, most certainly. You know there's so many young Polynesian players,
not only in Auckland, but right throughout the country, Wellington, Northland,
you name it. You know many Pacific Islanders are playing
and just just to know that there's a pathway, you know,
(32:11):
to go into super rugby and play alongside the greats
of the game is going to give Minor Patafka a
huge boost.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Will it also bring greater crowds through the gates, more
bums on seats well.
Speaker 12 (32:24):
Certainly, but hopefully more bums on seats here and at
or as well, because you know, he's a great attraction.
As I said, he's not only a great player, but
a great great man. He's you know, he talks about
mental health and just a general wellbeing of our people
(32:46):
and that's that's what is a really attractive thing about it.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
And finally from Sir Brian Williams, are there more big
signings on the horizon perhaps?
Speaker 12 (32:55):
Well?
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Why not? Why not?
Speaker 12 (32:58):
You know Ardie Ardie is such a draw card. And
you know there are lots of our Pacifical always over
over playing in the UK and Japan and France, and
you know they they want to come back and honor
their heritage, honor their mom and dad, honor their grandparents
(33:20):
and and that's the reason I'm involved certainly, and Sir
Michael and Tanau Wumanga, you know, we we want to
honor our people.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
That is the patron of Werner Pacificate, former All Blacks
Great Sir Brian Williams b G. Hither do plus Yellen
spoke this afternoon with the chair of the franchise, Sir
Michael Jones, and asked them who else they were looking
to get now that they've got Artie sewing up.
Speaker 10 (33:46):
I suppose this would be an exceptional rather than the
norm here that we get getting. We'd always intended to
try and get one with the high profile marquee player
when we started this journey four years ago, and so
you know, we're obviously delayed. It's it's just a mess
of for us. But you know, we do need to
continue to attract players who are going to pin their
(34:08):
college to the building. Pacific Rugby, the I suppose some
or Antonga national teams is very important and that's a
big part of our way. So we will have you know,
one or two like this, but we're always going to
keep our places available primarily for those who are on
their pathway. But it will definitely attract more and there
(34:30):
could be one or two others sort of in a
similar vein of pacifica descent. I suppose who are wanting
to do something similar as Ardi has to. I suppose
as their heritage, and I suppose this is the bladders
thick of the water.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
That is Sir Michael Jones with Heather du Plassy Ellen,
who also asked Sir Michael whether it would in fact
attract more players to Mwana PACIFICA.
Speaker 10 (34:56):
Yeah, I suppose the Ardi effect would be, you know,
more rugby player of the Year last year and still
life captain and one of the highest profile Pacific athletes
and will probably and obviously as a as a rugby player.
You know, his mother is huge, so his influence on
the game there's massive. So yeah, we do think that
(35:18):
it's going to have a positive effect in terms of
you know, just not not so much opening up. You know,
I always said it's a bit of a wave we're writing,
and it's it's getting bigger, but you know, it will
have a bit of a sounamis in many ways for us,
and that would be one way we would hope to
see more players be inspired, I suppose and motivated to
(35:42):
consider this partway.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
So Michael Jones, one of our absolute greats and another
big partner, doubt of the of the move for Artie
Savia Toomwana PACIFICA much more to come on this across
the weeks and months ahead. We haven't heard from Arti himself.
I believe he did do a media conference today for
PACIFICA Media. So we look forward to hearing from Artie
(36:05):
when he he makes himself available to others, hopefully including us.
In the netball they're underway at TSB Arena in Wellington,
the Pulse against the Tactics. The Pulse six to three
ahead early in this one, remembering that the winner of
this game will host the Grand Final in two weeks.
The loser will play the Northern Mystics for the right
to play whoever wins tonight in that Grand Final. So
(36:27):
high stakes netball at TSB Arena. If in fact you
wanted to listen to that, you can on Gold Sport
via iHeartRadio. Stick with us though. Coming up next, we
rate the weekend. It's Piney's Power Rankings. Days, our rankings.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
All right.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Time to rate the weekend. Piney's Power Rankings for the
last seventy two hours or so. Tends the Warriors, another
blow to a season already hanging by a bit of
a thread. You wouldn't believer, You would not believer. Three
s kicks.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
It's just that a season for them, Another one, another
one goes astray for the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Nine niner is roofing producer Annie McDonald's previous occupation. But
Shama Joseph has tried his hand at roof removal at
Trent Bridge, and.
Speaker 7 (37:24):
He goes again and he has absolutely mailed it. And
he's taken a few tiles off the roofless well, to
the chagrin that pulls Seated below.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Eight eight is Tour de France at Jersey winners and
he is going to create his own history.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
He's going to inspire a generation and a nation and
a continent. Billiam Gamai is the Green Jersey of the
Tour de France. The door is open and he's opened it.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Here Billiam Gamai winning the Green Jersey in what might
be a watershed moment for African sport, but the big
one all about Tada Pagatcha.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
It's been a display of sheer power on this course.
He's even got time to come round the corner and
free well. Taney Pagacha total class, total dominance, six stage wins,
three times Tour de France winner.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
A cyclist at the absolute peak of his powers. Oscar
Pastree at the Hungarian Grand Prix.
Speaker 13 (38:27):
It is Oscar Pistree Grand Prix winner winner in Hungary
and for the first time takes the check of Flaga.
Will stand on the top step of a crand Prix podium.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Here a a moment first Korea win for the Australia.
Let's go to six Tier two rugby nations producing fireworks,
starting with the Georgians putting together one of the tries
of the year against the Wallabies. Georgia grave with.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
A transfer the kiki's kud from tapusat.
Speaker 9 (38:57):
So's that chas.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Saprou suta.
Speaker 13 (39:02):
They take it one hundred and ten to.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
The high there line and then Portugal followed suit to
take an early lead against South Africa.
Speaker 13 (39:11):
Less control in the end and Portugal at the chance
to breach it's two online.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
This three on one as a matter of fas and
now the changing time fields and.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
They will not get fist. Portugal are currents open.
Speaker 13 (39:22):
The scoring here in Clumpontaine.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Five five is Jenda choflat at the Open Championship. Brilliant
charm Sada show for late Mary success that don show
for late a second golf major in difficult conditions for
the Americano. Nathan Cleary on his return from injury, once
(39:45):
again playing hero for the Penrith Panthers.
Speaker 13 (39:47):
Don't for Tipper.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Nathan Us Nathan Charles and Japan's a magic coment want
a return and to the top three. The All Blacks debutants.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
The McKinsey left handed ball for the Live Valley Procter
left handed corner pon Devo Derry flung it over on
his right hand side for George Bell who gets to.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Try on Debuna say some of the New Boys gave
a good account of themselves against Fiji.
Speaker 10 (40:26):
Two.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
The South Sudan Means basketball team seconds away from one
of the all time great sporting upsets, and that is it.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
The United States holds on for a win in South Sudan,
three war mints away from what would have been the
biggest win in their country's history, perhaps in any sporting event.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Absolutely incredible, but it's not number one that is key.
We high jumper Hamish Ker.
Speaker 14 (40:58):
Talking Leis bat looks very crushing these Headishkur.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Go from stretch to strength.
Speaker 14 (41:03):
He really is in one of those purple patches at
the moment two thirty three. I mentioned it Coo eight
days ago two thirty Here looking very nice. Hamish Kurt
wins again as he did it in mootco.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah, rarely starting to hit his peak at the right time.
Hamish Kurt number one tonight in Piney's Power Rankings Next
stop Paris. Did you include the smashing of the roof
as a hat tip to your former vocation?
Speaker 15 (41:29):
Not intentionally, but now now that people know that that's
what I was, and possibly I was better at that
than radio producing.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Some would say, anyway, could you.
Speaker 15 (41:37):
Just tell us you don't like cycling, mate, because Taday
pigartra at eights, Oh criminal.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Criminal, always good to get you, always good to get
your feedback, Andrew Criminal. And if we're going to give
nods to our previous vocations, you'll need to find some
form of supermarket shelf stacking for me. You might have
to go back to that if you've got to keep
dropping Tado that far down? All right, Piney's Power Rankings
(42:05):
for A two next Monday Night, Final text for the night.
Already signing for Marla Pacific is great for her Man
the franchise. We need Super Rugby to be a strong
competition across the board to draw fans back to the game.
It can't just be the key we teams that are strong.
We also need to give New Zealand players contracting options
that earn them more money or give them different opportunities
(42:28):
outside of the New Zealand franchises without having to go
to Japan or Europe. The answer is obvious. New Zealand
Rugby needs to let New Zealand players play for any
Super Rugby franchise while still being eligible for All Black selection.
I think you'll get too many arguments from a lot
of people. Things for the text. Thanks for tuning in tonight,
Marcus Lush after eight to take it through the rest
of Monday, Pulseley the Tactic sixteen ten at quarter of time.
(42:49):
Thanks to Andy McDonald for producing. Thank you for listening.
We will see you on Weekend Sport midday Saturday.
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