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Show producers Andy McDonald. We've got an hour with you
to talk some sport, and he asked. Britannia helmsman Sir
Ben Ainsley and key WE commentator Stephen mckiva have had
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a somewhat testy exchange after the third race of the
thirty seventh America's Cup this morning, after an air collision
between the two boats and the prestart for which Britannia
were handed a costly penalty. In New Zealand, went on
to win Race three by fifty two seconds to go
three nill ahead, and afterwards, as is customary, the live
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feed went to the two boats for interviews with the helmsman.
Here is Stephen mckiva speaking with Sir Ben Ainsley, still
believing that you're.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
As close when it comes to performance because they get
that feeling coming off your boat.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Wow, maybe that's the key. We commentate you and your mate.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Okay, I'll take that one on the chin and thanks buddy.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
We beat out that, but at the end to protect
your ears. But Sir Ben Ainsley was overheard calling Stephen
mckiva and fn W off camera after that interview had finished.
I've got a couple of thoughts in this, so I
actually think su Ben Ainsley may have misheard what Stephen
mckaiva says. We'll get to that. We'll get to that
and a chance for you to react tonight. You've no
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doubt heard or seen this footage during the day. It's
been everywhere. We'll get to it and give you the
chance to react. First up tonight, they want to talk
some cricket with you. The White Ferns can secure their
place in the T twenty World Cup semi finals overnight
tonight if they beat Pakistan in Dubai. New Zealand are
currently third in the pool, but a win would see
them leap frog India into second place. The top two
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go through going to break down their chances very shortly
with Craig coming. Your views are welcome as well. I
actually feel well pretty confident about our chances, more so
I think than I do about the black Caps and
their upcoming series against India. I know it's a different thing,
but if I had to back one, I'd probably back
the White Ferns. If we have time, we'll get to
Kiwi's and Canberra Raiders and forcer Joseph Tappeny as well.
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Ahead of the Pacific Nation's rugby league champ in a
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It's nil nil at the moment. First time the All
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First six of this match will be the last six
of the contest and it takes New Zealand to a wine.
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That was a win over Sri Lanka yesterday, meaning the
White Ferns have passage to the semi finals of the
T twenty Women's Cricket World Cup in their own hands.
With Australia beating India by nine runs this morning, New
Zealand third and Paul lay but as I say, can
leap frog India if they beat Pakistan and their final
group game tomorrow morning. Do that and they qualify for
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the semis alongside Australia from Group A. If Pakistan happened
to beat New Zealand, it'll come down to net run rate.
The game is at three o'clock tomorrow morning in Dubai, Otago.
Sparks coach and cricket commentator Craig coming is with us
to unpack the white ferns chances. Craig, before we actually
look specifically at the game against Pakistan, what have you
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made in general terms of New Zealand's performances so far
at this T twenty Cricket World Cup.
Speaker 9 (04:52):
Oh, very good.
Speaker 10 (04:53):
Well, I mean, you know, Piney, I think a lot
of people probably didn't give them a chance and when
they beat India in that first game with a really
good performance, that's what they needed to do. First and foremost.
Was always going to be tough against Australia when you're
one on one against those two. As you've just mentioned,
it's now in their hands. And you know, I watched
the ending of the game this morning with the Australia
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and you know, good, good on Australia for actually doing
it as a favor. So it's how we played well
against Sri Lanka. We did exactly what we needed to do.
So you know, Pakistan, they're a tough team, they're a
good team. They beat us back here in New Zealand
before Christmas. But I just think Ponie is a little
bit more confidence in this group. You know, being away
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beating India was great for Marau and and you know
now they'll they'll really back themselves and as long as
they turn up and play with freedom, I think they've
got a really good chance.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Wellington's Georgia Plumber is opening the batting. That's been been
the case for a little while now and starting to
bear a bit of fruit. Fifty in the last game
against Sri Lanka. She's striking at one hundred and twenty
three as well. Only Sophie Devine striking at you at
a higher rate than that. Can you see an obvious
plan from from Georgia Plumber opening the batting.
Speaker 10 (06:04):
Not so much a plan Pine, I just seen confidence.
You know, she's had a really tough run, really harder
than eighteen year old nineteen year old to find your
feet at the international game. And I dare say if
New Zealand Cricket maybe had their time again, they may
have said it was a weevid early But what's happening
now is Georgia well, one thing she does really well
in some ways it nearly costs her Piney, but also
when she's playing over, especially in charge, she's looking to
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hit down the ground. So Georgia always looks to hit straight,
sometimes to her detriment because pictures that bounce a bit
more like maybe the basin or Hagley Eden Park. You know,
it's tough to get on top of the bounce, but
over there it's a great way to play. She's looking
to hit down the ground. The ball doesn't stand up
as much and you're using the full face of the bat,
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so I think, you know, the conditions are suiting it.
And then yeah, just don't underestimate Piney to forget confidence
like that score in Australia when she got fifty in
that the last game before they went over, that just
just made it. But probably believe in herself. She works
exceptionally hard. She's she's a wonderful young lady. So now
she's walking out and actually not worried am I going
to fail? She's thinking, right, how can I contribute? And
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that's exactly what we want. And you know what it's
doing is it's allowing them to get off the good starts,
and then it allows Sophie to come in and we're
we're nearly on the front foot, which we saw against India,
and we saw Sophie finish the game off the other night.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, and just on she'd opened the banning What did
for a long time past part of six years up
until sort of eighteen months ago dropping down to four.
Are you a fan of that?
Speaker 10 (07:33):
I think as a cricketer, especially in T twenty, the
high head eposits, well, the great thing about opening pointing
you're none for none done. You normally know who the
opening bowls are going to be, so it helps with
your preparation. The ball's going to come on to the
bat better, but it will later because it's a new ball.
So I just think, you know, from from a cricketing
point of view, at T twenty it's so much easier
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at the top of the order because of those factors.
If you've been in four or five, you could either
be you know, ten for two or five overs. You
could be eighty for two off ten and you feel
the pressure. I've got to keep this going, I got
to keep this mona and going. So you set the tide.
I mean walking out with Susie will be nice and
calm between the two of them, So yep, I think
it's suiting Georgia, especially in the T twenty format, and
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it just because the freedom to go out and just
play and even if you get fifteen or eight balls,
you've got us off to a start. And so I'm
sure she's enjoying that freedom. You know, one day cricket's
very different and you know, probably the mid of order.
But at the moment she's mating every post to winner
since big given that opportunity from Australia to now, which
is great.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Absolutely with the ball. We saw Lee casperick for the
first time at the tournament in the last game against
Rolanka two for twenty seven off her four over. She's
been used pretty sparingly in recent times by New Zealand.
Do you think she'll be retained though for the Pakistan
game and both spin alongside Mellica and Eden Carson.
Speaker 10 (08:51):
Now, I don't know. I mean again, I don't know
whether you know fran Jonas was not picked or whether
there was an injury. I know she wasn't available for
the first game, I think because she's split the webbing
in their hands. So I don't know whether that was
a tactical play. If it was good work and it
will depend on the conditions. The good thing is, Poney,
when you're picking a side, if you've got options, and
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you know, if you're picking players that suit against opposition
and have had success against opposition, that's exactly.
Speaker 11 (09:18):
What you want.
Speaker 10 (09:18):
The good thing is for New Zealand at the moment,
they've got Medicure who's been bowling beautifully and Eden Carson's
found the form that you know, probably I've been based.
I've been waiting for it, but she's been given opportunities
to play and again throw Eden into that confidence mix.
But what I like about Eden, she's bowling a lot slower.
She went through a phase where she was bowling pretty
flat and fast, and even Friend was. But Paul Wiseman's
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over there working with them. And you know, spinners have
got two ways to deceive bad as. It's with turn
and it's with flight, Poney, and you know they you know,
looks like they're doing it, you know, doing it well
and they're going to have to do it well. But
you know, you just you to see more confidence in
this group and that's exactly what you need as a
cricket so or any sporting side.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, and it already steamed from that first game, didn't it, Craig.
You know, they got off to that wedding start against
India and all of a sudden things are just a
lot brighter, a lot rosier.
Speaker 10 (10:06):
That's a lot easier when you wouldn't pie, not that
I know with the Tiger Raby at the moment we're
out at competition, you're still in it, but yep, it's
you know a lot of the problems go away, a
lot of a lot of those conversations that you have
in the change and when you lose, you're making things
up where you go searching, they just disappear and everyone
feels better about themselves and you know, being beating into you.
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I mean that was that was huge and it also
meant that they could relax a little bit against Australia,
not saying that was due to the poor performance, but
the confidence goes up. And as I like what they
did against your Link, I like the fact that they
played you know at Department was still in and I'm
third could have easily taken the game away from them.
But you know, you make good decisions, but also you
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just plan a little bit more freedom. The shoulders are
a bit more Relexi Pone and hopefully approach this Pakistan
game is a real opportunity to go out and do
it themselves and play good cricket with freedom as opposed
to thing. Oh no, if we don't win this, we
won't go into the semi finals. And I'm sure they're
coaching staff working hard that. I'm sure the senior players
are working on that, because you know, what's the worst
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that's going to happen, probably war if we tense up.
So you know, play with some freedom and enjoy yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, indeed, and let's let them. Let's let's go down
that track. They win the game, so they go into
the semifinals off the back of three wins from four matches.
It's almost certainly going to be England who they face.
Of course, they lost all five t twenties to them
just as recently as July. Could they, though, with a
bit of extra confidence, turn those tables in a one
off semi final.
Speaker 10 (11:34):
Absolutely without a doubt. I mean, you know, those games
mean nothing if they win now to forget to that stage.
The one thing that England they are a very very
good cricket side. Piney, They've got some wonderful players, they've
got depth, they've got paced, they've got spin, they've got batters,
but they actually haven't been under a huge amount of pressure.
And we saw, you know, in rugby in the weekend
twine of your two top teams getting nicked out. Weave
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it different. But you know, sometimes if a team hasn't
been challenged all of a sudden, you put them on
a bit of pressure in a semi final, they start thinking,
hang on. You know, well, by myself, you know there's
pressure on it, and that's the way you approach it.
They do have quality players, you can't argue with that,
but you know, the last game only the pope and
it's got a bat so there's a whole big middle
order in there who didn't get another opportunity. So hopefully,
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you know, you can put them under pressure. Then they
start thinking they're worried, and then the knees start knocking,
and that's when you go in and you keep that
freedom going. So yep, get through today. We've got to
get through that for this piney and let's not get
ahead of ourselves. But we'll get through, sorry Pakstan, and
then you know we'll worry about that. But as I
always say, you can't win the dance off. Piney, you'll
know this. You can't win the dance off unless you're
on the dance floor.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Look, if there's a place that I don't belong, it's
the dance floor. But I get the analogy.
Speaker 10 (12:44):
Yeah, it's all it is, obsoertainly, even if we were
in the semi finals, I haven't got the dancing shoes on.
I'll just tell people what to do.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Right, Great, great to chat mate, Thanks as always for
your time.
Speaker 10 (12:54):
Thanks Fiddy, Thanks Fin.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That is great coming on cricket and a bit of
dancing as well. Love the analogy. You can't win the
dance off unless you're on the dance floor. I guess
that means you can't win the semi final unless you're
in the semi final. Happy to hear your thoughts on
the White Ferns and their improvement are eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. We're pretty quick to get into the
White Ferns when things aren't going well. But yeah, a
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couple of wins in three games and setting themselves up
for a semi final shot. It's in their own hands.
It's not one of those where we need to run
other results. And while their wins have come from sites
who are, let's be honest, a level down from Australia
and England. You still have to win them, and they've
won the games against India and Sri Lanka very well.
Keep playing that way in Pakistan very beatable. In fact,
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I think we're probably favorite. Might be worth a cheeky
three am alarm tomorrow morning to check it out, keen
to know if you'll be getting up to have a look.
You could actually I was thinking you'd actually pull the
seldom scene weekday, all night at tonight RaSE four in
the America's Cup scheduled to start at ten past one
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tomorrow morning. Then you could roll on from that into
the cricket.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
Now.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Speaking of the America's Cup, as I mentioned at the
top of the show, lots a chat around today about
the rather frosty exchange between and He asked Britannia skipper
Sir Been Ainsley and New Zealand commentator Stephen mcciva. This
is after the third America's Cup race this morning. As
I mentioned at the top of the show, Ainsley was
overheard using a couple of expletifs to describe Stephen McIvor
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off camera after they'd finished the post race interview. Now
I've seen Stephen mciv are getting a bit of heat
for this today. I think the whole thing is largely
largely down to a misunderstanding. I actually think Sir Ben
Ainsley has misheard what Stephen McIvor asks him. Have a
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listen to this.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Still believe me that you're you're as close when it
comes to performance because they get that feeling coming off
your boat.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
Wow. Maybe that's the key we commentate you in your mate.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I think Stephen McIvor says, you're still in this because
I get that feeling coming off your boat. I think
Sir Ben ains He thinks he says, that's not the
feeling I get coming off your boat. He listened again, still.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Believing that you're as close when it comes to performance
because they get that feeling coming off your boat.
Speaker 11 (15:18):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
Maybe that's the key we commentate you and your mate.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I think I think he's had been angeally mishurt him,
because otherwise, why would it react in the way that
he did. Why would he get all frosty and then
throw a couple of swear words and at the end
when he knew the mic would still be live. He
does have I've learned a bit of a history of
losing his temper during competitions have been angelly. He was once,
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i read today disqualified from a World Dinghy Championship in
Perth because he jumped on the media boat and threatened
a photographer. And whether this is that habitual anger boiling
over at a perceived slight by Stephen McIvor, or whether
he was just annoyed because his team is still sitting
on zero after three races. It's not very dignified, is it,
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And perhaps a little insight into the pressure that he
is under having poured goodness only knows how much money
into this campaign. The Britannia syndicate are still on zero
after three races and now have to win what seven
of the next ten. And while those of us who
remember twenty thirteen in San Francisco would never ever dare
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suggest it's over until it's absolutely over, even it's six
nil up, I don't think we'll be comfortable. Team New
Zealand to me seems to have the boat, the design
package and importantly the sailors to complete the job. It
could possibly happen as early as Sunday as Saturday morning
races seven and eight are scheduled for Saturday morning. Where
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do you fall on this one? The exchange? It's I
know it's not exactly sport, but we often say we
want our sports people to be a bit more real
and not just give vanilla answers. We hear that a lot.
It's the same answers all the time. We don't get
any insight that sort of thing. We've always said want
a bit of personality in our sports people when they're
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doing their their post race or post match interviews. And
I agree with that, but this just sounds like Ben
Angeley having a bit of a sook. He even doubled
down saying afterwards on another interview he did that the
team are going to use this as motivation. Imagine imagine
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pouring all that money and resource and time into winning
the America's Cup and then getting yourself and a TIS
because of something a commentator says to you. And it
wasn't even what he said. Keena, know where you fall
on this? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty that's
have you done about it? Nine two ninety two on
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Speaker 9 (18:11):
Ah goodad Jason. It's on commentary. We'll start with a
definite positive yourself, Matthew Back and Ross Bond are excellent.
I only listen to the radio and you do a
supub job.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Oh and that's very cod. It's very kind of your
I'll make sure that the checks continue to get through
to you, my friend.
Speaker 9 (18:29):
You shall do so what the compliment becomes a scathing attack,
but it's not. You're one hundred percent right about mcguy
who I do loaths is a commentator personal opinion, But
you're right. He was clumsy and he's always clumsy, and
I don't know how he gets those jobs. But you're
one hundred percent right. Ainsley misunderstood. Yeah, yeah, it's clear.
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I don't know why he's cops stick for it. I've
just given him stick. But that's my opinion of the man,
not personally but I'm just saying it's quite clear that
he must understood him.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You know, I kind of feel like if it was
Jimmy Spittle, for example, I think he would have answered
differently even if he had if he if he thought
if Jimmy Spittle thought that Stephen McIvor or any commentator
was suggesting that they he wasn't getting a winning feeling
coming off that boat. I feel like Jimmy Spittle would
have would have answered differently. And look at what he
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did when they were eight one down. He said, Look,
wouldn't it be a story if we came back and
won it from here? Wouldn't it be an amazing comeback?
He stayed level ahead of the whole time.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
Untsure about that. You're a good commentator, Stephen's not. I'll
leave you of it.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
You see, I thank you. I appreciate it very much.
I've heard a couple of people say that that Stephen
isn't a isn't a yachting expert, and that's true, but
he's not there to do that. Every broadcast is a
mix of commentators, broadcasters and expert analysts, and yachting is
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pro among the sports that needs the expert analysts. Most
of all. Now, if you've watched the America's Cup coverage,
you'll see that Stephen actually doesn't say much at all.
He adds, I guess what you'd call the base parts
of the commentary, which leg thereon, for example, or he
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might just stop in and just reiterate something that the
graphics are showing. But you won't get analysis from him,
and that is not his job. The post match interviews
really are two or three questions. You've seen them. They're
similar to any postmatch interview that you've seen in rugby, rugby, league, football, anything.
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Really it's trying to capture at the end of a contest,
the pure emotion that a person is feeling. And I
have to be honest, very rarely do you actually get
that most of the time. And you know, unless it's
a winning captain who has just had the elation of
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you know, winning whatever it is, or a losing captain
or player who is feeling the emotion of the moment
of losing. Really all you're going to get really is
stock standard answers, and so you don't need an analyst
really to ask those questions. You don't need a Peter Lester,
for example, to be asking questions that can come later.
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Steven's job as a broadcaster is to glue the whole
thing together, and I think he does a terrific job
of that. He's versatile. He's been on our screens for
a very long time and continues to pop up all
over the place and things like motor racing, rugby league, yachting,
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all sorts of things. Boxing. He's a very versatile broadcaster.
But for people who are saying what he doesn't know,
he's not a yachting X. He doesn't pretend to be.
He doesn't pretend to be. A few texts through here,
we'd love to chat to you, oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Like I said at you Know, before
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the break, I think we all want how sports starts
to show up at a personality. And like I said before,
it doesn't often happen in those postmatch interviews because it's
all too raw, they haven't had time to process it.
You don't really get a lot a lot from them.
The personality I think we love to see is when
you have those you know, you have interviews during the
week leading up to a game, or a more of
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a feature interview with somebody, but I think we all
want our sports interviews to be a bit more interesting,
but often you just don't get that. However, I just
thought Ben Ainsley came across as a bit petulant. But
then again, like I say, I just think he misheard
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him having said that, I think he should have and
he may do this tonight when when he wakes up
this morning in Barcelona, he may he may, you know,
wake up and think to himself, oh, I've had a
bit of a sock there, and he and Stephen MacIvor
may well. If I'm Stephen maciv I can put myself
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in Stephen Maciv's position. I've done similar similar sorts of
interviews after sport as Stephen has, and I would say
to I'd reach out to Sir Ben Angstein and say, hey,
Sir Ben, I think you may have misheard what I said.
What I actually said was this, And I get the
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feeling that Stephen MacIvor may do that. Sir Ben Angeley
may say, oh shivers, sorry, mate, I thought you said this.
They'll have a bit of a laugh about it and
move on, because, like I said, it seems pretty obvious
to me that there's been a miscommunication rather than any
attempt by a commentator in the world coverage of this
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event to get under anybody's skin. Hello Chris, Yeah, yeah,
I he.
Speaker 12 (24:08):
Cut the points and I just think that I agree
with you. The other thing MCI has done for the year
the terrific presentation of the Auckland Tennis Classic as well.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yes, yes, another one, you're right.
Speaker 12 (24:20):
Yep, outstanding. But I think he probably should have given in.
I know they're on a time frame, you know, I
understand you guys know, a production of of interviews, et cetera.
Maybe should have given been asually a couple more minutes.
But but the thing, honest raise is the reason I
know he's getting on of it now. But the reason
Peter Montgomery's not there is last time in Auckland, if
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Dalton doesn't like him because he didn't tow Dalton's line,
and Dalton doesn't like anyone that doesn't toe his line.
And last time he did everything he could to try
and stop Peter Montgomery being involved with the commentary on
that America's Cup, but in the end he got got
told that bad luck. You're you're not running the media, and.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, well that's yeah, that's it's it's you know, it's
not up to anybody from any of the syndicates to
decide who's in the broadcast team. They can make they
can if they don't like the way the broadcast is sounding. Yes,
I'm sure there's avenues through which they can go for that.
But to be honest with you, Chris, I think they
should be concentrating more on making the boat go fast.
Speaker 12 (25:25):
Yeah, I agree, But but the point is I do
miss Peter Montgomery.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, PJ. I mean Pj's look, I mean
you only have to listen to his iconic lines and
his coverage down the years, not just of of the
America's Cup, Chris, as you know, but you know any sailing,
you know, Olympic sailing, the Whitbread round the World Race.
I remember listening to his reports, you know, in the evenings,
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you know, on a Crackley radio when I was a
young boy. You know, I just, yeah, absolutely iconic, their
voice of yachting without a shadow of a doubt.
Speaker 12 (25:59):
And you know how he started. He was I was
an orphan. He was sent down to the hony of
may In or Dentinport to made to cover a club
government north Shore Rugby, and he did such a good job,
and he was so passionate that he kicked on broadcasting.
Speaker 9 (26:17):
What a great story.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, no, and he and and you've clearly had the
chance to meet him, Chris, one of the best men
I have ever met.
Speaker 12 (26:27):
Pj oh fantastic. Now, No, it's like I'm Steve McKay either.
But I don't know as Pete retired or you know,
wouldn't it he.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Retired, I don't know for absolute sure. I think so.
I think so. I know he doesn't do any rugby
for us anymore. He did obviously he was on the
side on Needing Park for so long, covering rugby for
us here at z B and at what was Radio Sport.
I don't think he does anymore. But I could be
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totally wrong, Chris. But yeah, I mean you you're right
to bring him up, because what an absolute legend. What's
the matter with Amsley? Jimmy Spittle shouldive him lesson on
how to lose graciously, says this text. Jason Ben Ainsley
says Katy got frosty because he's on the slower boat.
Even when they're ahead, they didn't cover Emirates Team New
Zealand and became resigned to lose the body Langgage after
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the race was negative as well. Thanks Kathy hamous Is.
I think the way Stephen worded the question was a
bit odd and Ainsley didn't quite get it. But like
you said, whether he said it or not, how sad
that they're going to use that as motivation all the
money in time and it's your motivation beaning on Homers. Yeah,
I think I'd be using a different form of motivation
rather than something that I perceived to be a slight
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against me or my team or my boat. Hello, Trevor,
Oh here are you, mate, Trevor, I'm good mate.
Speaker 11 (27:47):
Yeah, it good. No, I like Stevens answer. I'm just
running with the fastest they. I think Stephen it cares,
does he? He says I'll take it on the chin,
And I just cannot really believe the ferrari that it's
Don't you like that? Don't you like that when a
coach has a bit of a dus a go Jeff
bub is a good girl, Wayne Bennett, Rickie Sewart.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, No, I do. I do. And in fact, I've
been I've been in press conferences where the coach is
fired back at a reporter more than once. I've been
there when they're fired back at me, and I quite
I quite like the passion. I just think, like I say,
I in this instance, it wasn't like Stephen was going
at him in any sense at all. He just asked
him a genuine question, which actually was I think throwing
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a bit of positivity, and it's saying, hey, that the
feeling I get is coming off your boat is there's
still the feeling that you can win it. I just
think Ben Angeley mishurt him.
Speaker 11 (28:38):
Oh, I mean this whole thing. Did he miss then
that Stephen meant something else to that? I mean to me,
I'm just can't really believe the fast, the course. I'll
tell you what though, it wouldn't be horrific if we
lose it.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Trevor settled down.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
Down.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
No, I look, Trevor, I didn't. I don't think anyone did.
Do you remember though, in that race? Remember they got
a couple back, didn't they. Do you remember that race?
I remember it was a Saturday morning and we were
ahead and then the wind just dropped. The wind just
disappeared and they were sat there and they and teeny
Zealand was in front and would have won their ninth race.
The wind dropped we ran out of time and then
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they just came over the top of us in the
next few roays.
Speaker 11 (29:25):
Yeah, well you imagine we didn't hear it on the microphone.
I don't think I can't remember it. I beat you.
Jimmy Spider was putting in a few choice words about
take that in New Zealanders. I mean, you gotta remember
when we last that I talking about it. But remember
gren Dolden choose to do a layup date because he
corporate cor corporate peep. You just have to be a
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little bit careful in sports. But as I say, I
just loved it. I just loved it. I just love
the wind coaches give it. But be mate. Joseron Reno
used to love the interviews. I like Wayne Bennett interview.
So I'm not I don't care, mate. Yeah, I'm sure Steve,
and he's been around for so long, very professional. I
think what he said he meant. I'll let it out
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take it on the chin.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
That's fine, good good man, Trevor. Thanks for calling again
as always, mate, Always enjoyed chatting to you. Josephs Piney.
They're racing again early tomorrow morning. I want to watch
Ben cry harder after his meltdown this morning when they
go down four Neil Joe, Yes they are. They couldn't
get the second race in this morning, are supposed to
be two, only could get one. And so tomorrow is
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the first of the reserve days. So will they will
race tomorrow morning at ten past one, just one race
and then they're not back on the water, provided they
get that racing. And I haven't seen any forecast or
any suggestion that the wind won't be good enough, but
then of course it might not be. They can use
another reserve day tomorrow. But the next scheduled race day
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is Thursday morning, New Zealand time, when they will have
two more, so presumably they'll get one and tomorrow then
let's say New Zealand go four noil up and then
two more on Thursday, and then another lay day on
the Friday, and then Saturday morning when race is seven
and eight are scheduled. So the earliest team New Zealand
can win the America's Cup is Saturday morning, New Zealand time.
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If there's six and a up going into that seventh
race one o'clock Saturday morning, then when that and they've
won it, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
our number. Yes, I reckon Azeley misheard MacIvor. To be fair,
Stephen did stumble over his words a little bit. There's
a lot of snobbish chat on social media having a
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go at Stephen as the non sailor in the commentary team,
as well as some silly comparisons to PJ who wasn't
a sailor either. But Steven's there to keep the energy going.
Thanks Harvey, appreciate it. Julian, Hello, okay, mate.
Speaker 13 (31:53):
I think there was only one banker in that room.
Speaker 14 (31:55):
To be honest, say that again, Julian, there was only
one banker in that room.
Speaker 13 (32:06):
And look, we've done it before when we you know,
we weren't racing that well, we swapped skippers. We I
think we talked Dean Barker aut didn't we one time?
Maybe there's one common stactor with the losing here and
it's been Ainsley. Maybe they need to have a change
of skipper for the next race and see how they
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going to lose. They've got everything to gain. But he's
most probably two eye up in the organization to do that.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I think he also backs himself, Julian, to turn it around.
I think he's probably you know, he's been around for
a long time. I think he's probably of a similar
mindset to Jimmy Spiddle in many ways, and that he
will still believe right up until Team New Zealand cross
for their seventh one, like he can pull it back,
and so I think he would probably beck himself to
do that. I guess we all over here hope that
that doesn't happen. I'd like to see them when one
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or two just to make it, you know, just to
just to add a bit of excitement in there, and
and things like that.
Speaker 13 (33:02):
Even when you watch the you know, the two teams
cockpits simultaneously, you know, we are so chilled, you know
that they're just getting on with the job. And then
you go back to Mainsley and in that race today
there was a couple of grimaces and he was not happy.
So maybe maybe his nerves or his experiences getting to him.
(33:23):
So I've been trying to tune into some British radio
stations today just see what they're saying about it, but
haven't had any luck. But you know, they'll have a
totally different shoe on what was going on. But yeah, look,
you know, onwards and upwards do.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
You reckon he just realizes that he doesn't have the boat?
Speaker 13 (33:44):
Yeah, yeah, well that to me that look in that
race to this morning when he you know, it was
a look of what the hell have we got to do?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 13 (33:52):
And he and they haven't not that they haven't got
a clue. They haven't got they haven't got it, and
I'm sure they can pull it down of the bag
at one stage. Like I'm I'm English, though I'm in
sort of two minds. I would like it to go
back to cows be the the clipper race, and it
always was in America's race. But by the same token,
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I'm in New Zealand are also and I hope we particularm.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, like I said the other day when we spoke, Julian,
you've got a foot in both camps. Is a bit
of a no lose situation for you, isn't it? I
kind of you know that the the sports fan in
me almost hopes that you know that that Britan you
win a couple just to you know, just to make
it a bit of a contest. I just I don't know.
You tell me, it feels well, three nil after three
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seems like it's only going one way. Hey Karen, Hey mate,
how are you good? Thanks mate?
Speaker 7 (34:46):
Yeah, yeah, So just quickly, like, I've watched The America's
Cuptains of the Kid. I'm thirty five years old and
mum worked on one and three and Freemantle years ago
for Channel nine, so I've grown up loving sailing watching it.
And I've watched Sir being amsy for a long time,
like when he was doing a solo stuff for the Olympics.
Unbelievable and he's still an unbelievable sailor. But he is
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not good at the mind games. He lets people get
under his skin even when they're not even trying. Like
in the last America's Cup, he trying to say some
stuff to Pete in a press comrace and Pete just
turn around and said okay, and that infuriated him. He
gets so worked up about the smallest things and when
they're not negative towards him that he just blows up.
(35:28):
I guarantee you he will not apologize that he's misheard
what Stephen mckaima said. He will not apologize. He will
just sit there and be like, you know, we're gonna
do this. Because of this and his teammates look at
him and go, you know you misheard what he.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Said, right, but yeah, but just a refusal to yeah,
a refusal to Yeah. It's like when you it's like,
I don't know before you're like, mate, but it's like
when you have an argument and you know you're wrong,
but you just double down and keep arguing.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Yeah, you just keep going and see how.
Speaker 14 (35:56):
We go at the end.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
You know that's right. Sounds like me you're haveing gonn
arguement with my wife. I never in those either. Good
to jet to you, Karen. Thanks mate, appreciate your call.
One final text for before we go to the break
and get Piney Power rankings on the air. I just
love Peter Burling's laid back attitude, says Barnsey. His attitude
and laconic style win or lose. He has the same demeanor,
even has a laugh, must rub the opposition up a treat.
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It's got the history behind him. I love that guy.
He could surpass Sir Russell Coots as the greatest America's
Cup captain ever. Thanks Barnzi and just finally from Kathy
again Jason. The data from Race three showed Team New
Zealand sailed seven hundred and sixteen meters less than Inios
at point three knots faster average velocity. Even though Team
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New Zealand speed over the water was often less than ineos,
it made for a good race. That's ominous. Yeah, I
think I understand the data, Kathy. They're noting they're not
sailing as Yeah. I think the shorter the overall meter
ridge that you sail the better. Right, Just get there quicker,
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fourteen away from eight when we come back. Piney's Power
rankings for tonight.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Dadies our rankings Moday.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
And Monday Night. Piney's Power Rankings rating the best, the worst,
and everything in between. From the Sporting Weekend the Breakers,
it was all okay, see.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
In the second halt and to take the victory one seventeen.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Eighty nine, three games in the United States, right after
the A and BL season started, three losses. Not sure
anything was really achieved by that trip nine Sir Ben Ainsley.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Still believing that you're you're as close when it comes
to performance because they get that feeling coming off your boat.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Wow, maybe that's the key. We commentate you and your mate.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Okay, I'll take that one on the churn and thanks.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Buddy yeah three nail down and feeling a bit prickly.
I think, Sir Ben eight the pitch curators at Moltaran
for the Pakistan England cricket Test, should I call them
the road workers?
Speaker 7 (38:07):
Away from oli Pope standing captain and he's declared England eight.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Hundred and twenty three for seven a mammoth mammoth score
from England eight and twenty three for seven. They could
have got one thousand seven. Brody Kisticki at Bathurst, Rody
Kostecki has shaken off the awkward start to the season
to earn the biggest win of his career. Brodie Kistecki
(38:36):
is the tree year champion at what was ultimately a
highly uneventful bad Thirst one thousand yesterday. Six the Black
Ferns finishing the year with something to celebrate and there will.
Speaker 7 (38:49):
Be full time New Zealand's end the year on the high.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yep with some work to do though before the World
Cup next year. Into the top half five. Five is
marathon runner Ruth Chepnagit to U four two h nine
something less get hurt here, everybody, we have seen it.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Unbelievable world record.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
The Kenyon absolutely obliterating the marathon world record. Four four
are the four in PC semifinalists Wellington. Wellington achieve their
one hundredth in PC victory at Sky Stadium and it
is enough to take them into the semifinals of this
year's competition. They have plenty.
Speaker 8 (39:36):
The Steamers beat the Magpies at Mount Bonganui. They are
the Bay.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
White cut all that's Iwa White Hero have made it
to the Bummons and PC semi final and Canterbury total
and utter domination amongst the vines in blenham Ow. Semi
finals are set for next weekend. Three Rafa Nadal, the
legend that.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
Is Raphael Nadal continues.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
To grow twenty two major titles in his tennis bag.
Another one of the greats hangs up the rackets. Two
two are ound white Ferns.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
First six of this match will be the last six
of the contest and it takes New Zealand to a win.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Heah, I went against Ri Lanka and on the verge
of a T twenty World Cup semifinal. But here is
number one. It is mid Canterbury, the Hammers doing something
no Heartland team has managed to do since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Freaky lines it up and pots at bots Wayne dust
Ducks and met Canabury in South Canterbury's winning run and
take out.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
This meets up semifinal.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
A pilot here, Freighter park at Tamoru and it's Med
Cannabury who are off to the Big Dance next week.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Are brilliant Mid Cannabury. The Hammers up against Thames Valley
in the Meads Cup Final this coming weekend. The number
one and Pinety's Power rankings. How do you feel about
the rankings this week? Rafael Nadal would be absolutely gutted.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
A career spanning however, many years, twenty two Grand Slam
wins and he just can't get that number one spot
because Mdcannabury decides in South Canterbury's thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Match winning run.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I mean, well deserved to mccannabury, but just feel for
Raffa a little bit on that.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Do you think it'll get back to Raffa that through
his people that on Pinety's Power rankings he's below the Hammers.
That's what he's been striving for all year. I think
since we started Piney's Power inankings, I think you're probably right. Well,
he might have another crack, although he's retired now so
I'm not quite sure he's going to find his way
on there, but they do return the rankings next Monday night.
Speaker 8 (41:58):
Three to eight.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
That is us for sports Talk for tonight. Dusty water
Graves back after his week away. He's within between seven
and eight Tomorrow night and for the rest of the week.
We're back on weekend Sport. This coming Saturday, Life from
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