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Former Black Caps opener Bryan Young on who should replace Devon Conway in the next test.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Hello there, Kaotic, good evening and welcoming to Monday night
sports talk on news Talk, said B. I'm Jason Pinehow
producer Ans Mellissic. We're here talking sport until eight. I
was very much looking forward to spending a bit of
time at the Basin Reserve today and tomorrow. Actually, all
things being equal, I would have spent a few hours
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watching Day four of the second cricket Test this afternoon,
but there wasn't any cricket on today exactly. Ants England
have continued their domination of New Zealand in the three
Test cricket series, demolishing the black Caps by three hundred
and twenty three runs inside three days in Wellington. The
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third Test in Hamilton starting Saturday, is now a dead rubber.
England have an unassailable to nail lead. So how do
the black Caps regain some credibility in the third Test
in Hamilton and what changes should they make to the side.
Will one decision, as you've heard on our news all day,
has been made for them. Opener Devin Conway, probably the
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player under the most pressure for his place actually will
miss the third test as here awaits the birth of
his first child, replaced in the squad by Auckland's Mark Chapman.
But it'll be Will Young, of course who takes his
place in the eleven. But should Will Young be opening
the batting? How critical is it that an opener actually
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is an opener, one of our best and a man
who reinvented himself to be a specialist opening batsman. Brian
Young is standing by to chat to us on this.
Your thoughts are obviously encouraged on that and other changes
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up nine past seven. So I wanted to chat tonight
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about the specialized nature of opening the batting in Test cricket,
because bringing Will Young in, like I say, and slotting
him in the opening position is an answer to a problem,
but is it the right answer to the problem. Brian
Young was one of our best ever Test openers. Played
thirty five Tests, scored over two thousand runs, two centuries
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and twelve fifties. He scored a mass of two hundred
and sixty seven not out in an innings victory against
Sri Lanka in Dunedin at the end of the name
ninety six ninety seventh summer, and famously one hundred and
twenty and a successful fourth innings run chase of three
hundred and twenty four for five against Pakistan in christ
Church in nineteen ninety three ninety four. Brian Young joins
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us on Sports Talk. Thanks for taking the time, Brian.
Let's start with a very general look at this in
general terms. How specialized a position is opening the batting?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yes, well, I would wouldn't I believe that it's very specialized,
but it is. It really is. It presents a unique
set of challenges and the biggest one of all is
the new ball and fresh bowlers champion at the bit
to get you out. Sometimes they want to potentially hurt you,
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I suppose as well. But it is specialized. It takes
a great deal of technical expertise, It takes a particular mindset,
particular and those are sets of skills that not everybody possesses.
And it is a it is most certainly a specialized position.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So then that would lead on to I guess what
what I've got down here about the main problems asking
somebody who's used to batting at say number four or
five to open the batting. Is it the mindset, is
it the technique? Is it the experience against the new ball?
Which is the main issue when you're asking amiddle load
of batsman to potentially open the batting.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
It's a little bit of everything. You know, I guess
from myself been a keeper batsman batting at seven and
playing three hundred and sixty degrees around the park. You know,
people will tell you when I was that player, I
was a dasher, I guess, and played all the shots
and was a bit impetuous and was I guess a
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reasonably you know, aggressive sort of player. But then to
open the batting against the new ball and to fulfill
your role within the team, and that is to see
off the new ball, to create a platform with your
playing partner as best you possibly can, and blunt that
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attack so that yourself and those following you and the
middle order can come in and make hay while the sunshine.
That's the obviously the plan when you go out to bat.
So for a middle order batsman or somebody who hasn't
done that job, is it impossible? Absolutely not. Myself, you know,
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did an average job of making that transition. Mark Richardson
show that you could do that transition as well. But
I most certainly think it's a little bit of everything,
the mental side of it, getting your head around the
fact of what you're doing, why you're doing it, and
your peral strategy of how you're going to go about it.
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Whilst that applies to all batting positions in the batting order,
it's more so and it's heightened and it's elevated at
that level because of the new ball, and the new
ball is hard, it swings, it seems, and the bowlers
are fresh. So it presents that challenge.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
When you were reinventing yourself, because you're right, I remember
watching you as a as a dasher when you kept
working for Northern Districts, and particularly in white ball cricket,
you come out and you were you're playing all around
the ground when you reinvented yourself. I'm not saying you
didn't do that as a test opening, but did you?
Was it your mindset, Brian? Mainly that you had to
had to really alter in terms of, you know, not
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trying to hit the cover of everything that came your way.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yes, there was that I put an off. Personally, everyone
will be a little bit different, but personally I put
an enormous amount of work into technique, into what I
reducing down my shots into certain areas of where I
could play, and having the ability to leave the ball.
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Being someone who always liked feeling bat on ball and
being a wicket keeper and always been in the game
and always wanting to touch and feel the ball that
was foreign to me. So to actually leave and the
power of the leave for the opener in testing conditions
when it's seeming or swinging, that's that's as equally as
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effective as a as a cover drive or or you know,
a clip clip off the hip, or or a shot
you know, a pool shot or anything like that the
leave is equally as important. And so I put a
lot of effort into reinventing and bringing my focus down
to only a few shots and playing in the V
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or playing the U in the U, which was the
old school way of approaching it was, and minimizing that
risk and minimizing ways of getting out, because boy I could,
I could invent ways of getting out given and I
think I invented the new ones. But that was that
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was all mindset, one hundred percent. Yes, there's there's skill
and technique and and and all of those things, but
but to get your head around for me, it was
very difficult because if I wanted to play shots, but
I knew that I couldn't because if I did, I'd
be letting the side down because I would ultimately get
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out trying to do that. So best I don't try
and do that. Let me try and do this and
actually get get the team off to a solid start as.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Possible, and just on that, how much pride did you
take in that and protecting your middle order, even your
number three, if you if you took a whole lot
of shine off that new ball so that they didn't
have to worry about well.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I could jokingly say that there was a bit of
banter in the dressing room, you know, when number number four, five, six,
seven came in and they were just free wheeling and
hitting through the line of the ball and just having
a merry old time later on in the day, and
you were sitting there quietly seething because you'd gone through
the first session of ducking and diving and leaving and
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playing and missing and copying a few, only to see
your teammates out there in the hot sun carve it
all up. But yes, there was banter in the dressing
room about that, But that was that was your job.
And I few were good enough to kick on and
reap what you sowed early on and actually hang in
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there and actually turn those nice little twenties and thirties
into big scores. Well, you know, you had earned the right,
and often I earned the right but didn't go on
and do it to execute. So there was It was
nice because if if the middle order came in and
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took charge, you could you could quietly just sit there.
If you'd done a good job at the top of
seeing off the new ball, you were quietly chuffed that
you'd done your bit to allow that to happen.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Brilliant if you kept wicket as well, obviously early in
your career. But I don't think you ever did it
when you were when you were an opening batsman and
red ball cricket. But do you think that's feasible, Brian?
Do you think it's feasible for someone to open the
batting and keep wicket and Test cricket?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Well?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Few have done it. Alex Stewart from England did it
for a long time and although he flitted between opening
and middle order, he was very versatile and he did it.
Not many others. Gilchrist did it certainly in day cricket,
Test match cricket. I can only really think of it.
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I could be way wrong here. I'm sure the train
spotters will will correct us. I can only really think
of of Alex Stewart. I don't know if McCullum opened
and only one day.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Is yeah, yeah. I guess The reason I ask is
because there's a I guess one. Tom Blundele, for example,
has opened the batting, but as a batter, could could
Tom Blundle open the batting and Test matches and keep wicket?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
There's no reason why he couldn't. It would be very taxing,
that's for sure. From a concentration perspective and just a
responsibility perspective. You can imagine those instances. We're been in
the field for a day and a half and then
the other captain declares and puts the openers in for
that curly little thirty five forty minutes before the end
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of play. And whilst you would say, well, Tom's the
best person to go out and because he's got the
he's got the the bounce and the and the conditions down,
Paddy's been keeping to it for the last however many hours,
but mentally very tiring, that's for sure. Impossible, absolutely not.
Alex Jett did it and did it very effectively for
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a long period of time. Like I said, he also
was in the middle order for a long period of time.
Then he went up to opening. So it can be done.
But it would be very taxing, that's for sure, all.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right, And just to finish and this isn't specific to
opening the batting, but batting in general. When things aren't
going well, when you're in a bit of a trot ah,
what is the best way to get out of it?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Trust do the work. Someone said to me, Well, because
you know, I came back more times in Ali. But
someone said to me one day when because a lot
of self doubt kicks into athletes, whether you're an Olympic
runner or a hockey player, a cricket player, you know,
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rugby player, Tidley wings player, it doesn't matter. Every athlete
has has self doubt creeps in from time to time.
There's no doubt about that. Someone said to me one day, Brian,
no one came down last night while you're asleep and
took your talents away. And I'll never forget that day
because it was like, thanks, you're right. So it's really
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about peeling the onion back, going right back to basics
and fundamentals, doing the hard work. You know that the training,
putting the work in, putting the right work in, because
it's all very well putting the work in. If it's
the wrong work, then that's not going to work either.
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But being going back to basics and keeping it as
simple as possible. You hear that all over the world
and all sorts of sports, and I really do believe
it's it's it's true. And if you go back to that,
when you walk over the white line and in your
mind you know that you've done the work, you've done
the preparation, and you are in good shape. Then at
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that point you just go out and play. And because
everything's instinctive, you know you've got a ball coming at
you anywhere between one hundred and thirty five and one
hundred and fifty clicks an how you've got, you know,
four tenths of a second to make all sorts of
decisions where you don't make those decisions you actually just
play on instinct. And if you put the work in instinctively,
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you will just go and play. So for those of
us who have been through lean drops and terrible times
when you felt you didn't know where the next run
was coming from, if you peel the hangion back and
actually clear all the clutter and actually go back to basics,
do the hard work, you'll certainly come out of it
and then go on to be successful again, because as
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that person said to me, no one comes down in
the middle of the night and takes your talent away.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Great to get your own side, Brian, really really appreciate
your time. Thanks for joining us tonight.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Brian Young former test opener there with some fairly incisive
thoughts on opening the batting and getting out of a trot.
It'd be a fairly handy thing for a couple of
these players to do as well. You've heard from Brian Young.
Keen to hear your thoughts now on a couple of issues,
including that one oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Will Young is not an opener. He is a very
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very good type or middle order batsman. He should bat
at three, four or five. But of course that means
that somebody else has to open now. In all honesty,
Devin Conway should not be opening the batting either. He's
been shoehorned in there and it's had a significant impact
on a guy who could have been so prolific for
us if it batted his entire career in his rightful position.
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Who knows what his future in the side is now.
I guess that'll become clear from next year onwards as
far as the red ball is concerned. But back to
Hamilton this coming weekend or starting on Saturday, I think
Will Young probably will'll open. It'll just be a straight swamp.
They'll bring Will Young in and open the batting with
him and Tom Latham. But that's not the right place
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for him, As I say, he's not an opener. So
for argument's sake, if we if we talk hypotheticals here,
who else could do it? Came Williamson? No, you leave
him at three right? And Ravendra interesting? Maybe maybe rich
and good open Darryl Mitchell No, Tom Blundell maybe, And
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that's why I brought that up with Brian Young. Tom
Blundell opened the batting for New Zealand and Test matches
between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one. That was while
b J Watling was still on the team and he
was a gibber. Quite different when you're keeping as well,
So potentially, and as Brian Young said, Alex Stewart did
it for a long time successfully for England. But it
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is taxing. Was that his word? Taxing? What about a
left field one? Open the batting with Glenn Phillips, mix
it up, give them a bit, a license to go
forward a bit, Dare I say it? Let them go
out there and play like England's openers do. It might
not come off, but it could hardly be worse than
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what's happened so far in this series. Unfortunately, much as
I throw it out, there is an idea. It ain't
ever going to happen under the ultra conservative selection policy
of this current side. So who do you think will
do the job? Who do you think? Well, we know
he's going to do the job. It'll be Will Young.
But get creative with me here, people, What could we
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do to change it up a bit if we were
in charge our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. The
other selection issue is Tim Southey, but this isn't actually
an issue, not as far as what will happen is concerned. Anyway.
I don't think there is anything surer than the fact
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that Tim Southey we will play in Hamilton, rightly or wrongly.
It has set itself up for just that, having predetermined
this farewell series for Tim Southey rightly or wrongly, And
the more it's gone on it feels like it's wrongly.
They are for better or for worse. All in on
Tim Southey going out on his terms. Now that goes
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against every single fiber of selection theory in terms of
selecting your best team, because Tim Southy has been the
least effective of the Seame bowlers in the first two
Test matches. So if they're going to make a change
in Hamilton and bring Mitchell Santner in and have to
drop a seema. Every single piece of selection theory would
tell you it's Tim Southey who drops out. But I
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am telling you right now he will play in Hamilton.
There is nothing surer. It's not what they should do,
but it's what they will do. Your thoughts, oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty nine nine one text, seven twenty six,
back with your calls on the cricket after this seven
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twenty eight talking cricket on our eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty and then specifically selections for the third Test
and Hamilton. Take it anyway you would like to get
a Chris get O mate, how are you good? Chris good?
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Good? Hey.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
I think putting Ravendra up to open would be the
best bet. So we can drop Young down to say
three or four, him or Caine at three or four.
It doesn't really matter because from just been going in
after the overall two all series anyway, so he might
as well just you know, jump up a level. I
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don't think it's going to affect the team too much,
but will Young back on that side, that's going to
be really good with the form batsman. It's so surprising
he didn't get picked for the first two tests.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, it was. I get that came Williamson plays. I
totally get that because he's Williamson Chris, but I think
there was a way of keeping will Young in there
as well, and you know that was was doing something
different a bit further down. I think he probably could
have had Young and Williamson in the situation solved itself
a little bit with obviously Devin Conway going on maternity leave.
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I don't mind Revender opening the batting, but when I
first first saw him play, I thought that might become
his long term natural home opening opening the batting and
Test matches.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Same for me, because he's got that ability to pick
a ball and smack it or leave it like, he's
got the patience when he's in the mood, like I've
seen him play some really good innings, and I think
he is the solution to the opening partnership that we've got,
because I do. I do like Latham, but I quite
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like Vender of there as well. He's quite a stable batsman,
you know, he's yeah, he's good.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
And then.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
The one other little topic to throw in there before
I go is do you drop a guy who's been
on the team for seventeen years for his last test
at his home ground?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Chris, I guess that's the sixty four thousand dollars question
and the polarizing one, and sentiment would tell me no,
you don't. Of course you don't. You let a guy
like that write his own script and go out on
his own terms. If you hover above the team, take
the personalities out of it, and look strictly on performance,
then there is not a lot of argument that if
you're dropping a seema it should be someone other than
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Tim Southy. It's a conundrum, and in many ways, Mate,
the fact that it's actually a dead rubber maybe makes
the decision in some ways easier. It's not like we're
fighting to win the series. Sentiment will prevail. As I said,
Tim Southie will play. I'm almost willing to put my
house on it. Good to check to you, mate, Thanks Chriss.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Hello, Johnny, get a finny.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
You're right, Johnny, I'm good things man. How are you
getting on body?
Speaker 5 (22:15):
It's hot down here in Tomorroy always well the stick
in northwest of this week, but otherwise bloody good.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Good man. What's on your mind.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Hey, I'm I can't believe that there's sticking with the
coach and the selection squad and all of a sudden
they've come out with, oh, Devon's got to go home
take a week off because they're having a baby. He
shouldn't have been there weeks ago. They should have have
Young and there before that he hasn't played well for ages.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I got some runs in India. He did get some
runs in India, Johnny. To be fair, Devin Conway was
not out of form in India. He got he got
runs over there.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Hey, but they all got runs and when India didn't,
they they thrashed them. And now looks what's happened in
there in Australia.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah, I agree with the first part of what you're saying, mate,
I Will Young should have been there feels the more
the series goes, the more ludicrous the decision to leave
out a bloke who average fifty in India.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Seeing I think what's really annoying me is instead, on
the counterparts, dropped Neil Wagner just like that, and they've
get suddenly like Devin Conway and who's done nothing in
recent weeks.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
The Conway, the Conway yeah, the Conway. Sorry. The Wagner
conversation relates almost directly to Tim Saudi as well, Johnny,
doesn't it you know? You think about the way that
Neil Wagner was basically told to that he should retire
because he wasn't going to be selected anymore, you know,
And and I don't know. And now they've decided that
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Tim Soudi will go out on his own terms. I'm
not sure that his performances at the moment warrant that. However,
having said that, having got all the way to the
finish line here of an eighteen year career, and having
predetermined almost that this is going to be his last series,
they ain't dropping Hamilton. They're just not going to.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
I hated you alls so honest and always good to
listen to party because you were saying what else couldn't do?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You're a good man, Johnny.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
I think to how they should have been got ages
ago to But yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Stay well, yees, good on your Johnny so well and
timor room mate, lovely part of the country. Good day
listening and then calling and call back anytime mate, Hi JT.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Hi there, Hey, I love the cricket chat. Great conversation.
I'm going to say something a bit controversial. There's no
way to Saldi should be dropped for the final match.
There's just no question about it. Looking at it. Is
it the speed he's not bowling quick enough? Is it
actually the results because he did get two wickets in
the last game. He went a bit expensive. Except I
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really like Sardy. Obviously home game, he's got to play it.
If we're going to drop anybody, can we not look
at the batters? I mean, we're obviously not scored boring
enough runs. Why are we looking at the bowling. Our
bowling has been all right, we haven't been scoring enough runs. Obviously,
Conway needs to go.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
At the top.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
I actually really liked that conversation about Phillips coming in
as opener. Really thought that was a good idea. I
really like Will Young at the top of the order
and obviously catches when matches.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, well, look, all very good points. JT. Just to
answer you a question about why we're talking about the bowling,
We're only talking about the bowling if they decide to
play Mitchell Santner in Hamilton, which hasn't been decided yet.
They didn't play them in Wellington. They brought him into
the squad and didn't play them. If they get to
Hamilton and say, right, we need a spinner here, then
somebody below number seven has to drop out, one of
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the seamers has to drop out, And that's when the
conversation does become relevant. You look at Matt Henry, Will O'Rourke,
Nathan Smith and Tim Souey, and you're right. Tim Souey
got a couple of wickets in the last Test, but
he's got four across the two Test matches compared to
nine for hen six for O'Rourke and seven for Smith.
So and they're all, well, they're all going for about
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five and over apart from Henry. So there's not a
lot of difference in the economy. So that's the reason
the conversation is being had. I'll put it to you
this way. If Tim Sowthy wasn't if this wasn't a
predetermined final Test for him, would you still feel the
same way?
Speaker 8 (26:29):
Yeah, I really like those stats. I would just be
looking more at the batting than the bowling. Now Hamilton
as well, I've never heard anybody say Hamilton's a spinning pitch.
I don't think we're going to get too many wickets.
Bowl at bringing on three spinners. You know, so it's
a seam bowler's pitch. I think we keep at it.
It would honestly be disrespectful to Timmy if we got
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rid of him in his home ground. And I hear
what we're saying. I hear that if it wasn't his
last game, if he was eighteen years old, would we
still have him based on his last few performances. Except
based on the last few performances, surely we would get
rid of a few other people before Timmy. I don't
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think his head should be first on the chopping block.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Great points, well, mate, j T. Thanks for calling in, mate,
glad you're enjoying the conversation again, Please call back any time.
Tell us hi, I think.
Speaker 9 (27:26):
Yeah, I think put Southey in the squad, but he
carries the drinks.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
As for your opening batter, Phillips.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yes, Della's come on, give me a critique on that.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
Stead just spilled his TV dinner all over his lap
because Stead won't even moving moving from seven.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
You're right, Dallas, You're right. He won't even move one place.
You're not going to move from six places.
Speaker 9 (27:56):
But thinking outside of the square as you encourage us to.
What about played Mitchell Satner.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And he opened Mitchell Sander open betting on you. I
think we're getting a little bit further outside the square
that I know he's that in one day as hasn't
he was like the old Daniel Vittori idea, wasn't it
that he? Yeah, I mean Mitchell Santon hasn't got the
worst technique in the world. Yeah, yeah, Look, it's all
just it's all a moot point, really, isn't it, mate,
because they're not going to change that. You know, Will
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Young will come and you know, dollas the donuts hell
open the batting with Dom Latham.
Speaker 9 (28:30):
I'm afraid so so it just was well, no, not
at all.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I think the conversation's worth having. You know, we're allowed
to discuss things, aren't we jealous? You know, it's it's
a lot of fun to do it. But yeah, and
that that's why we should. We can talk about what
we would do, but still being fully aware of what
they will almost certainly do.
Speaker 9 (28:46):
What about Southey carrying the drinks?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, I don't mind it yeah, because he still gets involved.
I think Will Neil Wagner had had that had that
experience in Wellington and had to go on as a
sub fielder as well. Normally the bloke whose twelfth Man
doesn't actually get on at all. It's more of an
on rary title. I need a local guy to do
the sub fielding. But Wagner went on, you might remember
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this from Wellington and got a huge ovation. Yeah, yeah,
I mean they might, they might. I guess we'll just
have to wait and see.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
All it's good chatting to you, Dallas. Thanks for calling mate. Aaron.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Hi, Hey, funny, how are.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
You, Aaron?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I'm great? How are you getting on?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Mate?
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Hey? Just on the Saudi thing. I just want to
throw in there, you know, because there's times when you
do select on form and stuff like that. But beyond that,
the reason why we all watch sport and love sport
is a the people involved and to me is very
loved by this, the nation of people that watch cricket
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in this country and the other side of so we're
as an audience, we'll want to see him out there.
So he could he could be not for a wicket
in the last five games, we'd still want to see
him out there for this game. So and the fans,
the fans are the game, and then the other side
of it is I believe in fairy tales, and like
most fans in this country, I think will be hoping
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and I'm not rolling it out that he gets a five.
So I'm going to lay that on the table soud
to get good bye for in this last game.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I love it. I've written that down, Aaron, and I'm
going to write down your phone number. Also not going
to give it out, but I'm going to write it
down and let's let's chat maybe if the if the
third test is still going next Monday night, which it
should because that's only day three and things are and
things are going well, mate, let's chat again. But I've
written it down, You've said it for everybody to hear.
I would like nothing more than to see a swan
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song of fairy tale proportions from Tim Soudy. You're so right.
He has been a servant of huge proportions for us
over nearly two decades. There'd be nothing better than to
watch him go out on a high, you know, and look,
maybe it'll happen, mate, I've written it down. Let's chat
in a week or so.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Awesome watching the game.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Good Man Drive safe, Aaron good to chat to you, mate, Jamie, Hello.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Hey mate, how are you good?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Jamie good?
Speaker 10 (31:09):
I think Tom Salvey should be dropped straight away because
his new talent coming through.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
When you look at the figures in this current test series,
Jamie and I read them out before you may have
heard them. Matt Henry's our best bowler. He's going to
play Willow York A Willow. Rourke and Nathan Smith are
the new boys on the block. I guess you'd say
so if you're going to go with three seems, if
you're going to go with three seamers, then then they're
probably the three.
Speaker 10 (31:38):
When is there going to be new new new stuff
coming through? Because Tom Soudy is old now, like the
All Brecks, mate, like Cody Taylor, like all those guys,
it's time to it's really time to let them go
and do what they do and bring some new new
talents through. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, I do. And he is going, Jamie, to be fair,
he is. That's that's it for him after this test
and so you might say, hey, that that is okay.
He finishes now, when I know that there won't be
anything beyond this. The whole sentiment. The cold headedness around
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selection is what's at issue here. Some guys get to
go out on their own terms, others do not, and
it feels, I think, to a lot of people, as
though Tim Soudy has written the script himself and his
performances don't warrant him being able to do that. I
think that's what the biggest talking point is here, more
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than anything else. Like I said before, if this wasn't
Tim Soudi's last series, if he hadn't said I'm retiring
after this one, this conversation would be a lot easier
to have because it wouldn't be a sentimental one. It
would be entirely performance based. But unfortunately, what's happened, because
it's been predetermined, it has become that conversation and it
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runs the risk of tainting what has been an absolutely
superb Test cricket and international cricket career for one of
our grades. Hey Sean, Hey boney, how are you Sean?
Speaker 11 (33:10):
I'm good man, that's good and I really like your
idea of picking billets is an open sort of thing.
It's a bit left field, but he I think he
could be quite successful in that spot. Not unlike David
Warner and Australia once upon a time.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, that's a good comparison. Actually, yeah, look, part of
me things will he could hardly do any worse. But
then you think, okay, well, let's show some intent. I've
always loved Glenn Phillips's intent in a game of cricket,
regardless of with his banning, bowling, fielding or watching from
the balcony. He always seems to have intent.
Speaker 11 (33:45):
Absolutely, and I think he I don't know, I don't
know him obviously, finding to the DVD's like quite a
mentally strong cricket as well sort of thing, and I
think that's a really good sort of what still get
to have when you're opening. So I think he could
be quite successful potentially. I'd hate to see us ruin
somebody like Revenger trying to get them into something that
they're not, because I think he is.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
He is.
Speaker 11 (34:07):
He is what the cornerstone of our betting line up
for the future, and we've destroyed twenty of vetter and
mentally by making them do things that they work ready,
I'd hate to see that happen personally.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, it's a good point, Sean, and actually me even
suggesting it before goes against the conversation I had with
Brian Young and specialists, and also the fact that I
see Devin Conway shouldn't be opening, Will Young shouldn't be opening,
so I shouldn't be suggesting, right. Nope, and either should I.
It's a good point, your mate, Sean.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
I like.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I like the Philip's idea. I can't claim that I've
come up with it all by myself. I've seen other
people suggest it. I mean, you know, there's only so
many players who can do it. I just think, what
is that to lose? What is that to lose by
sonic Glen Phillips, Get out there, mate, and and be
you aggressively authentic, get up in their grill as they say.
(34:57):
You know, I don't think we lose anything by it.
Good to chat, Sewan, Thanks for everyone for your Call's
got to get away a break and get Piney his
power rankings in. Let's do that. It's sixteen away from eight.
We'll rate the weekend when we come back. Goodness rankings underway, indeed,
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with Piney's power rankings rating the best, the worst and
the in between. But from the Sporting weekend ten the
black Caps decimated inside three days in Wellington, including an
English hat trick.
Speaker 12 (35:36):
Here he comes, He's gone.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
He's gone.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
He's been good.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And I can sense taking a hat trick defeat at
the Basin by a demoralizing three hundred and twenty three
runs nine The Breakers are fourth straight defeat for them
in the Australian National Basketball League. A big wing for
the Sydney Kings.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
The copt to Wellington and take the chocolates. They stay
above five under and moved to nine and seven and
they laf frog the Breakers into.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Third spot on the table eat Hayders Liam Lawson, a
pit stop blunder, proving the difference between what could have
been a career best result and an eventual DNF and
Abu Dhabi. He was eight when his front left wheel
wasn't attached properly by his racing bulls crew. He was
slapped with a ten second penalty after a second successive
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stop to correct the mishap.
Speaker 12 (36:33):
It sucks.
Speaker 13 (36:34):
We actually had really really good place through the race.
So obviously for me, even if I'm I'm running out
of the race and we're a lap down, I'm going
to push anyway because I'm trying to show something while
I'm in the car.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Seven seventh Jordy Barrett a debut for his New Irish
club and I too believe in the middle of the pitch.
We're in number twenty three. There is a debut for
a young man called Jordy.
Speaker 12 (36:55):
Barris, sixty eight Times Cup for New Zealand's twenty five
international tris.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Jordy Barrett coming on for Leinster at halftime and dotting
down for the Irish club's third try of the evening
in and eventual thirty five to twelve when six six
is the Australian cricket team bouncing back to square the
TES series against India with a comprehensive ten wicket win
in Adelaide. Travis Head the hero on his home ground, Chub.
Speaker 13 (37:23):
His head extra people one Day one toy in his
Yvon his eight tiesth century and the first South Australian
to score three centuries and the inlaid.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Oval into the top half five and staying in Australia
teenage sprinting sensation Gout Gout who on Saturday broke the
longest standing record in Australian track and field, Pigan Norman's
two hundred meters record he set at the nineteen sixty
eight Mexico Olympics.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
And now we really.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Start to bring up so let the next person.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Let the kid run.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
He is absolutely born out of this world.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
He's not.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Twenty point four seconds to win the two hundred meters
at the Australian All Schools Athletics Champs. That's quicker than
Usain Bolt ever ran at the same age. Remember the
name gout Gout four All White star Liby Caccacci. His
first ever goal in the Italian top flight is Cacaccia.
Speaker 9 (38:34):
It just gets better and better for Rampli.
Speaker 11 (38:36):
Cacuccia makes it three.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Cacaca makes a bit of personal history, the first.
Speaker 13 (38:41):
Ever of New Zealander to score in Saria three.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
The Blackfan Sevens at three Champions in Cape Town.
Speaker 12 (38:48):
The first tournament when in the New doorm era of
the Black.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Fan Sevens withered the storm and a victory they get.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah. The USA scored twice in the first couple of minutes,
but New Zealand worked their way back to lead it
half time and eventually win twenty six points to twelve.
Speaker 10 (39:05):
Two.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Auckland FC the Black Knights and the occasion that was
New Zealand Football Derby two point zero at go Media
on Saturday.
Speaker 12 (39:15):
Bath taking bum storming brilliant, gave a football electric blue
in the Derby six on the bounce for Auckland f C.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
And number one is another footballer, Chris Wood continuing a
remarkable run of form. What is it the fact post
Chris Wood's it's.
Speaker 13 (39:43):
Chris Wood celebrates a birth take goal and not to
your forest of it too goal lead now at Old Trufford.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
It is a goal that establishes Chris Wood on his own. Now,
that's notting of Forrest's highest goal scorer of the Premier
League era.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Astonishing from Chris Wood. It's a Piney's Power rankings. How
do you feel about about the ring Kings tonight?
Speaker 14 (40:07):
And I can't believe I'm saying this, poney, but I
don't have any issues this week that it was a
belief saying it all that seems about right to be honest.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (40:15):
When I heard about that Nottingham Forest School when I
was at the barber yesterday, I just about fell.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Out of the chair.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
That superb free one.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Did you enjoy the Derby? Oh it was great, yep, No,
it was it was absurd.
Speaker 14 (40:25):
We had paragliders flying onto the field at the very
start that we had high scoring. There were like three
goals the whole time and the place was packed. Incredible
and great day out of the Pooty. I think everyone
I went with immediately decided we were going to buy
a ticket to the next derby straight there and there.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Fantastic. Well I'll be there. Piney's power rankers will be
back next Monday. On News Talks, heb sevenway four away
from eight. Final text on the cricketing matters we've been
discussing tonight Poney as a sportsperson who had been at
the top level, if your former had completely dropped through
the floor, would you withdraw from the game despite it
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being the last of your career? I would, says Gilly.
I'd be in bad Harris to take the field, and
surely the good of your team is the top priority.
What would you do? Yeahgerly, it's a very good question.
I think Tim SOUDI probably would like to create the
fairy tale that I think it was.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Who was it?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Who's talking about it? Before?
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Aaron?
Speaker 7 (41:24):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Who rung in? I think it was who I made
the bet with. I should have written it down. Yeah, Look,
I don't think he'll withdraw from his final test. I
think this is a predetermined thing which, as I said
at the top of the show, will happen. You know,
there is absolutely nothing sure in my mind that Tim
Saudi will take the field in Hamilton as part of
New Zealand's eleven. I just hope that he gets the
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fairy tale that his long service deserves. But as we know,
fairy tales do not always happen in sports. Sometimes they do,
sometimes they do not. Thanks to Answer Millisich for producing
the show. Thanks for listening in Marcus lush Is on
your radio after eight o'clock for the resume Monday. I'll
be back on Weekend Sport this coming Saturday from midday.
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We'll see you then. Have a great week five and now.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hello there, Kaotic, good evening and welcoming to Monday night
sports talk on news Talk, said B. I'm Jason Pinehow
producer Ans Mellissic. We're here talking sport until eight. I
was very much looking forward to spending a bit of
time at the Basin Reserve today and tomorrow. Actually, all
things being equal, I would have spent a few hours
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watching Day four of the second cricket Test this afternoon,
but there wasn't any cricket on today exactly. Ants England
have continued their domination of New Zealand in the three
Test cricket series, demolishing the black Caps by three hundred
and twenty three runs inside three days in Wellington. The
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third Test in Hamilton starting Saturday, is now a dead rubber.
England have an unassailable to nail lead. So how do
the black Caps regain some credibility in the third Test
in Hamilton and what changes should they make to the side.
Will one decision, as you've heard on our news all day,
has been made for them. Opener Devin Conway, probably the
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player under the most pressure for his place actually will
miss the third test as here awaits the birth of
his first child, replaced in the squad by Auckland's Mark Chapman.
But it'll be Will Young, of course who takes his
place in the eleven. But should Will Young be opening
the batting? How critical is it that an opener actually
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is an opener, one of our best and a man
who reinvented himself to be a specialist opening batsman. Brian
Young is standing by to chat to us on this.
Your thoughts are obviously encouraged on that and other changes
you think should be made. So cricket takes center stage
on our show tonight being Monday. Of course, we also
wrap the week or the weekend rather the best and
(02:12):
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course play a big part in the show too. Get
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to me Jason at NEWSTALKSEB dot co dot nz coming
up nine past seven. So I wanted to chat tonight
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about the specialized nature of opening the batting in Test cricket,
because bringing Will Young in, like I say, and slotting
him in the opening position is an answer to a problem,
but is it the right answer to the problem. Brian
Young was one of our best ever Test openers. Played
thirty five Tests, scored over two thousand runs, two centuries
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and twelve fifties. He scored a mass of two hundred
and sixty seven not out in an innings victory against
Sri Lanka in Dunedin at the end of the name
ninety six ninety seventh summer, and famously one hundred and
twenty and a successful fourth innings run chase of three
hundred and twenty four for five against Pakistan in christ
Church in nineteen ninety three ninety four. Brian Young joins
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us on Sports Talk. Thanks for taking the time, Brian.
Let's start with a very general look at this in
general terms. How specialized a position is opening the batting?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yes, well, I would wouldn't I believe that it's very specialized,
but it is. It really is. It presents a unique
set of challenges and the biggest one of all is
the new ball and fresh bowlers champion at the bit
to get you out. Sometimes they want to potentially hurt you,
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I suppose as well. But it is specialized. It takes
a great deal of technical expertise, It takes a particular mindset,
particular and those are sets of skills that not everybody possesses.
And it is a it is most certainly a specialized position.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So then that would lead on to I guess what
what I've got down here about the main problems asking
somebody who's used to batting at say number four or
five to open the batting. Is it the mindset, is
it the technique? Is it the experience against the new ball?
Which is the main issue when you're asking amiddle load
of batsman to potentially open the batting.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
It's a little bit of everything. You know, I guess
from myself been a keeper batsman batting at seven and
playing three hundred and sixty degrees around the park. You know,
people will tell you when I was that player, I
was a dasher, I guess, and played all the shots
and was a bit impetuous and was I guess a
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reasonably you know, aggressive sort of player. But then to
open the batting against the new ball and to fulfill
your role within the team, and that is to see
off the new ball, to create a platform with your
playing partner as best you possibly can, and blunt that
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attack so that yourself and those following you and the
middle order can come in and make hay while the sunshine.
That's the obviously the plan when you go out to bat.
So for a middle order batsman or somebody who hasn't
done that job, is it impossible? Absolutely not. Myself, you know,
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did an average job of making that transition. Mark Richardson
show that you could do that transition as well. But
I most certainly think it's a little bit of everything,
the mental side of it, getting your head around the
fact of what you're doing, why you're doing it, and
your peral strategy of how you're going to go about it.
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Whilst that applies to all batting positions in the batting order,
it's more so and it's heightened and it's elevated at
that level because of the new ball, and the new
ball is hard, it swings, it seems, and the bowlers
are fresh. So it presents that challenge.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
When you were reinventing yourself, because you're right, I remember
watching you as a as a dasher when you kept
working for Northern Districts, and particularly in white ball cricket,
you come out and you were you're playing all around
the ground when you reinvented yourself. I'm not saying you
didn't do that as a test opening, but did you?
Was it your mindset, Brian? Mainly that you had to
had to really alter in terms of, you know, not
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trying to hit the cover of everything that came your way.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yes, there was that I put an off. Personally, everyone
will be a little bit different, but personally I put
an enormous amount of work into technique, into what I
reducing down my shots into certain areas of where I
could play, and having the ability to leave the ball.
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Being someone who always liked feeling bat on ball and
being a wicket keeper and always been in the game
and always wanting to touch and feel the ball that
was foreign to me. So to actually leave and the
power of the leave for the opener in testing conditions
when it's seeming or swinging, that's that's as equally as
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effective as a as a cover drive or or you know,
a clip clip off the hip, or or a shot
you know, a pool shot or anything like that the
leave is equally as important. And so I put a
lot of effort into reinventing and bringing my focus down
to only a few shots and playing in the V
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or playing the U in the U, which was the
old school way of approaching it was, and minimizing that
risk and minimizing ways of getting out, because boy I could,
I could invent ways of getting out given and I
think I invented the new ones. But that was that
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was all mindset, one hundred percent. Yes, there's there's skill
and technique and and and all of those things, but
but to get your head around for me, it was
very difficult because if I wanted to play shots, but
I knew that I couldn't because if I did, I'd
be letting the side down because I would ultimately get
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out trying to do that. So best I don't try
and do that. Let me try and do this and
actually get get the team off to a solid start as.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Possible, and just on that, how much pride did you
take in that and protecting your middle order, even your
number three, if you if you took a whole lot
of shine off that new ball so that they didn't
have to worry about well.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I could jokingly say that there was a bit of
banter in the dressing room, you know, when number number four, five, six,
seven came in and they were just free wheeling and
hitting through the line of the ball and just having
a merry old time later on in the day, and
you were sitting there quietly seething because you'd gone through
the first session of ducking and diving and leaving and
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playing and missing and copying a few, only to see
your teammates out there in the hot sun carve it
all up. But yes, there was banter in the dressing
room about that, But that was that was your job.
And I few were good enough to kick on and
reap what you sowed early on and actually hang in
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there and actually turn those nice little twenties and thirties
into big scores. Well, you know, you had earned the right,
and often I earned the right but didn't go on
and do it to execute. So there was It was
nice because if if the middle order came in and
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took charge, you could you could quietly just sit there.
If you'd done a good job at the top of
seeing off the new ball, you were quietly chuffed that
you'd done your bit to allow that to happen.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Brilliant if you kept wicket as well, obviously early in
your career. But I don't think you ever did it
when you were when you were an opening batsman and
red ball cricket. But do you think that's feasible, Brian?
Do you think it's feasible for someone to open the
batting and keep wicket and Test cricket?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Well?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Few have done it. Alex Stewart from England did it
for a long time and although he flitted between opening
and middle order, he was very versatile and he did it.
Not many others. Gilchrist did it certainly in day cricket,
Test match cricket. I can only really think of it.
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I could be way wrong here. I'm sure the train
spotters will will correct us. I can only really think
of of Alex Stewart. I don't know if McCullum opened
and only one day.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Is yeah, yeah. I guess The reason I ask is
because there's a I guess one. Tom Blundele, for example,
has opened the batting, but as a batter, could could
Tom Blundle open the batting and Test matches and keep wicket?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
There's no reason why he couldn't. It would be very taxing,
that's for sure. From a concentration perspective and just a
responsibility perspective. You can imagine those instances. We're been in
the field for a day and a half and then
the other captain declares and puts the openers in for
that curly little thirty five forty minutes before the end
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of play. And whilst you would say, well, Tom's the
best person to go out and because he's got the
he's got the the bounce and the and the conditions down,
Paddy's been keeping to it for the last however many hours,
but mentally very tiring, that's for sure. Impossible, absolutely not.
Alex Jett did it and did it very effectively for
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a long period of time. Like I said, he also
was in the middle order for a long period of time.
Then he went up to opening. So it can be done.
But it would be very taxing, that's for sure, all.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right, And just to finish and this isn't specific to
opening the batting, but batting in general. When things aren't
going well, when you're in a bit of a trot ah,
what is the best way to get out of it?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Trust do the work. Someone said to me, Well, because
you know, I came back more times in Ali. But
someone said to me one day when because a lot
of self doubt kicks into athletes, whether you're an Olympic
runner or a hockey player, a cricket player, you know,
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rugby player, Tidley wings player, it doesn't matter. Every athlete
has has self doubt creeps in from time to time.
There's no doubt about that. Someone said to me one day, Brian,
no one came down last night while you're asleep and
took your talents away. And I'll never forget that day
because it was like, thanks, you're right. So it's really
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about peeling the onion back, going right back to basics
and fundamentals, doing the hard work. You know that the training,
putting the work in, putting the right work in, because
it's all very well putting the work in. If it's
the wrong work, then that's not going to work either.
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But being going back to basics and keeping it as
simple as possible. You hear that all over the world
and all sorts of sports, and I really do believe
it's it's it's true. And if you go back to that,
when you walk over the white line and in your
mind you know that you've done the work, you've done
the preparation, and you are in good shape. Then at
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that point you just go out and play. And because
everything's instinctive, you know you've got a ball coming at
you anywhere between one hundred and thirty five and one
hundred and fifty clicks an how you've got, you know,
four tenths of a second to make all sorts of
decisions where you don't make those decisions you actually just
play on instinct. And if you put the work in instinctively,
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you will just go and play. So for those of
us who have been through lean drops and terrible times
when you felt you didn't know where the next run
was coming from, if you peel the hangion back and
actually clear all the clutter and actually go back to basics,
do the hard work, you'll certainly come out of it
and then go on to be successful again, because as
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that person said to me, no one comes down in
the middle of the night and takes your talent away.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Great to get your own side, Brian, really really appreciate
your time. Thanks for joining us tonight.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Brian Young former test opener there with some fairly incisive
thoughts on opening the batting and getting out of a trot.
It'd be a fairly handy thing for a couple of
these players to do as well. You've heard from Brian Young.
Keen to hear your thoughts now on a couple of issues,
including that one oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Will Young is not an opener. He is a very
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very good type or middle order batsman. He should bat
at three, four or five. But of course that means
that somebody else has to open now. In all honesty,
Devin Conway should not be opening the batting either. He's
been shoehorned in there and it's had a significant impact
on a guy who could have been so prolific for
us if it batted his entire career in his rightful position.
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Who knows what his future in the side is now.
I guess that'll become clear from next year onwards as
far as the red ball is concerned. But back to
Hamilton this coming weekend or starting on Saturday, I think
Will Young probably will'll open. It'll just be a straight swamp.
They'll bring Will Young in and open the batting with
him and Tom Latham. But that's not the right place
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for him, As I say, he's not an opener. So
for argument's sake, if we if we talk hypotheticals here,
who else could do it? Came Williamson? No, you leave
him at three right? And Ravendra interesting? Maybe maybe rich
and good open Darryl Mitchell No, Tom Blundell maybe, And
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that's why I brought that up with Brian Young. Tom
Blundell opened the batting for New Zealand and Test matches
between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one. That was while
b J Watling was still on the team and he
was a gibber. Quite different when you're keeping as well,
So potentially, and as Brian Young said, Alex Stewart did
it for a long time successfully for England. But it
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is taxing. Was that his word? Taxing? What about a
left field one? Open the batting with Glenn Phillips, mix
it up, give them a bit, a license to go
forward a bit, Dare I say it? Let them go
out there and play like England's openers do. It might
not come off, but it could hardly be worse than
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what's happened so far in this series. Unfortunately, much as
I throw it out, there is an idea. It ain't
ever going to happen under the ultra conservative selection policy
of this current side. So who do you think will
do the job? Who do you think? Well, we know
he's going to do the job. It'll be Will Young.
But get creative with me here, people, What could we
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do to change it up a bit if we were
in charge our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. The
other selection issue is Tim Southey, but this isn't actually
an issue, not as far as what will happen is concerned. Anyway.
I don't think there is anything surer than the fact
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that Tim Southey we will play in Hamilton, rightly or wrongly.
It has set itself up for just that, having predetermined
this farewell series for Tim Southey rightly or wrongly, And
the more it's gone on it feels like it's wrongly.
They are for better or for worse. All in on
Tim Southey going out on his terms. Now that goes
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against every single fiber of selection theory in terms of
selecting your best team, because Tim Southy has been the
least effective of the Seame bowlers in the first two
Test matches. So if they're going to make a change
in Hamilton and bring Mitchell Santner in and have to
drop a seema. Every single piece of selection theory would
tell you it's Tim Southey who drops out. But I
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am telling you right now he will play in Hamilton.
There is nothing surer. It's not what they should do,
but it's what they will do. Your thoughts, oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty nine nine one text, seven twenty six,
back with your calls on the cricket after this seven
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twenty eight talking cricket on our eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty and then specifically selections for the third Test
and Hamilton. Take it anyway you would like to get
a Chris get O mate, how are you good? Chris good?
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Good? Hey.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
I think putting Ravendra up to open would be the
best bet. So we can drop Young down to say
three or four, him or Caine at three or four.
It doesn't really matter because from just been going in
after the overall two all series anyway, so he might
as well just you know, jump up a level. I
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don't think it's going to affect the team too much,
but will Young back on that side, that's going to
be really good with the form batsman. It's so surprising
he didn't get picked for the first two tests.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, it was. I get that came Williamson plays. I
totally get that because he's Williamson Chris, but I think
there was a way of keeping will Young in there
as well, and you know that was was doing something
different a bit further down. I think he probably could
have had Young and Williamson in the situation solved itself
a little bit with obviously Devin Conway going on maternity leave.
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I don't mind Revender opening the batting, but when I
first first saw him play, I thought that might become
his long term natural home opening opening the batting and
Test matches.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Same for me, because he's got that ability to pick
a ball and smack it or leave it like, he's
got the patience when he's in the mood, like I've
seen him play some really good innings, and I think
he is the solution to the opening partnership that we've got,
because I do. I do like Latham, but I quite
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like Vender of there as well. He's quite a stable batsman,
you know, he's yeah, he's good.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
And then.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
The one other little topic to throw in there before
I go is do you drop a guy who's been
on the team for seventeen years for his last test
at his home ground?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Chris, I guess that's the sixty four thousand dollars question
and the polarizing one, and sentiment would tell me no,
you don't. Of course you don't. You let a guy
like that write his own script and go out on
his own terms. If you hover above the team, take
the personalities out of it, and look strictly on performance,
then there is not a lot of argument that if
you're dropping a seema it should be someone other than
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Tim Southy. It's a conundrum, and in many ways, Mate,
the fact that it's actually a dead rubber maybe makes
the decision in some ways easier. It's not like we're
fighting to win the series. Sentiment will prevail. As I said,
Tim Southie will play. I'm almost willing to put my
house on it. Good to check to you, mate, Thanks Chriss.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Hello, Johnny, get a finny.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
You're right, Johnny, I'm good things man. How are you
getting on body?
Speaker 5 (22:15):
It's hot down here in Tomorroy always well the stick
in northwest of this week, but otherwise bloody good.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Good man. What's on your mind.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Hey, I'm I can't believe that there's sticking with the
coach and the selection squad and all of a sudden
they've come out with, oh, Devon's got to go home
take a week off because they're having a baby. He
shouldn't have been there weeks ago. They should have have
Young and there before that he hasn't played well for ages.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I got some runs in India. He did get some
runs in India, Johnny. To be fair, Devin Conway was
not out of form in India. He got he got
runs over there.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Hey, but they all got runs and when India didn't,
they they thrashed them. And now looks what's happened in
there in Australia.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah, I agree with the first part of what you're saying, mate,
I Will Young should have been there feels the more
the series goes, the more ludicrous the decision to leave
out a bloke who average fifty in India.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Seeing I think what's really annoying me is instead, on
the counterparts, dropped Neil Wagner just like that, and they've
get suddenly like Devin Conway and who's done nothing in
recent weeks.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
The Conway, the Conway yeah, the Conway. Sorry. The Wagner
conversation relates almost directly to Tim Saudi as well, Johnny,
doesn't it you know? You think about the way that
Neil Wagner was basically told to that he should retire
because he wasn't going to be selected anymore, you know,
And and I don't know. And now they've decided that
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Tim Soudi will go out on his own terms. I'm
not sure that his performances at the moment warrant that. However,
having said that, having got all the way to the
finish line here of an eighteen year career, and having
predetermined almost that this is going to be his last series,
they ain't dropping Hamilton. They're just not going to.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
I hated you alls so honest and always good to
listen to party because you were saying what else couldn't do?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You're a good man, Johnny.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
I think to how they should have been got ages
ago to But yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Stay well, yees, good on your Johnny so well and
timor room mate, lovely part of the country. Good day
listening and then calling and call back anytime mate, Hi JT.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Hi there, Hey, I love the cricket chat. Great conversation.
I'm going to say something a bit controversial. There's no
way to Saldi should be dropped for the final match.
There's just no question about it. Looking at it. Is
it the speed he's not bowling quick enough? Is it
actually the results because he did get two wickets in
the last game. He went a bit expensive. Except I
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really like Sardy. Obviously home game, he's got to play it.
If we're going to drop anybody, can we not look
at the batters? I mean, we're obviously not scored boring
enough runs. Why are we looking at the bowling. Our
bowling has been all right, we haven't been scoring enough runs. Obviously,
Conway needs to go.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
At the top.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
I actually really liked that conversation about Phillips coming in
as opener. Really thought that was a good idea. I
really like Will Young at the top of the order
and obviously catches when matches.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, well, look, all very good points. JT. Just to
answer you a question about why we're talking about the bowling,
We're only talking about the bowling if they decide to
play Mitchell Santner in Hamilton, which hasn't been decided yet.
They didn't play them in Wellington. They brought him into
the squad and didn't play them. If they get to
Hamilton and say, right, we need a spinner here, then
somebody below number seven has to drop out, one of
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the seamers has to drop out, And that's when the
conversation does become relevant. You look at Matt Henry, Will O'Rourke,
Nathan Smith and Tim Souey, and you're right. Tim Souey
got a couple of wickets in the last Test, but
he's got four across the two Test matches compared to
nine for hen six for O'Rourke and seven for Smith.
So and they're all, well, they're all going for about
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five and over apart from Henry. So there's not a
lot of difference in the economy. So that's the reason
the conversation is being had. I'll put it to you
this way. If Tim Sowthy wasn't if this wasn't a
predetermined final Test for him, would you still feel the
same way?
Speaker 8 (26:29):
Yeah, I really like those stats. I would just be
looking more at the batting than the bowling. Now Hamilton
as well, I've never heard anybody say Hamilton's a spinning pitch.
I don't think we're going to get too many wickets.
Bowl at bringing on three spinners. You know, so it's
a seam bowler's pitch. I think we keep at it.
It would honestly be disrespectful to Timmy if we got
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rid of him in his home ground. And I hear
what we're saying. I hear that if it wasn't his
last game, if he was eighteen years old, would we
still have him based on his last few performances. Except
based on the last few performances, surely we would get
rid of a few other people before Timmy. I don't
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think his head should be first on the chopping block.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Great points, well, mate, j T. Thanks for calling in, mate,
glad you're enjoying the conversation again, Please call back any time.
Tell us hi, I think.
Speaker 9 (27:26):
Yeah, I think put Southey in the squad, but he
carries the drinks.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
As for your opening batter, Phillips.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yes, Della's come on, give me a critique on that.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
Stead just spilled his TV dinner all over his lap
because Stead won't even moving moving from seven.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
You're right, Dallas, You're right. He won't even move one place.
You're not going to move from six places.
Speaker 9 (27:56):
But thinking outside of the square as you encourage us to.
What about played Mitchell Satner.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And he opened Mitchell Sander open betting on you. I
think we're getting a little bit further outside the square
that I know he's that in one day as hasn't
he was like the old Daniel Vittori idea, wasn't it
that he? Yeah, I mean Mitchell Santon hasn't got the
worst technique in the world. Yeah, yeah, Look, it's all
just it's all a moot point, really, isn't it, mate,
because they're not going to change that. You know, Will
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Young will come and you know, dollas the donuts hell
open the batting with Dom Latham.
Speaker 9 (28:30):
I'm afraid so so it just was well, no, not
at all.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I think the conversation's worth having. You know, we're allowed
to discuss things, aren't we jealous? You know, it's it's
a lot of fun to do it. But yeah, and
that that's why we should. We can talk about what
we would do, but still being fully aware of what
they will almost certainly do.
Speaker 9 (28:46):
What about Southey carrying the drinks?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, I don't mind it yeah, because he still gets involved.
I think Will Neil Wagner had had that had that
experience in Wellington and had to go on as a
sub fielder as well. Normally the bloke whose twelfth Man
doesn't actually get on at all. It's more of an
on rary title. I need a local guy to do
the sub fielding. But Wagner went on, you might remember
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this from Wellington and got a huge ovation. Yeah, yeah,
I mean they might, they might. I guess we'll just
have to wait and see.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
All it's good chatting to you, Dallas. Thanks for calling mate. Aaron.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Hi, Hey, funny, how are.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
You, Aaron?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I'm great? How are you getting on?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Mate?
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Hey? Just on the Saudi thing. I just want to
throw in there, you know, because there's times when you
do select on form and stuff like that. But beyond that,
the reason why we all watch sport and love sport
is a the people involved and to me is very
loved by this, the nation of people that watch cricket
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in this country and the other side of so we're
as an audience, we'll want to see him out there.
So he could he could be not for a wicket
in the last five games, we'd still want to see
him out there for this game. So and the fans,
the fans are the game, and then the other side
of it is I believe in fairy tales, and like
most fans in this country, I think will be hoping
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and I'm not rolling it out that he gets a five.
So I'm going to lay that on the table soud
to get good bye for in this last game.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I love it. I've written that down, Aaron, and I'm
going to write down your phone number. Also not going
to give it out, but I'm going to write it
down and let's let's chat maybe if the if the
third test is still going next Monday night, which it
should because that's only day three and things are and
things are going well, mate, let's chat again. But I've
written it down, You've said it for everybody to hear.
I would like nothing more than to see a swan
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song of fairy tale proportions from Tim Soudy. You're so right.
He has been a servant of huge proportions for us
over nearly two decades. There'd be nothing better than to
watch him go out on a high, you know, and look,
maybe it'll happen, mate, I've written it down. Let's chat
in a week or so.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Awesome watching the game.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Good Man Drive safe, Aaron good to chat to you, mate, Jamie, Hello.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Hey mate, how are you good?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Jamie good?
Speaker 10 (31:09):
I think Tom Salvey should be dropped straight away because
his new talent coming through.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
When you look at the figures in this current test series,
Jamie and I read them out before you may have
heard them. Matt Henry's our best bowler. He's going to
play Willow York A Willow. Rourke and Nathan Smith are
the new boys on the block. I guess you'd say
so if you're going to go with three seems, if
you're going to go with three seamers, then then they're
probably the three.
Speaker 10 (31:38):
When is there going to be new new new stuff
coming through? Because Tom Soudy is old now, like the
All Brecks, mate, like Cody Taylor, like all those guys,
it's time to it's really time to let them go
and do what they do and bring some new new
talents through. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, I do. And he is going, Jamie, to be fair,
he is. That's that's it for him after this test
and so you might say, hey, that that is okay.
He finishes now, when I know that there won't be
anything beyond this. The whole sentiment. The cold headedness around
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selection is what's at issue here. Some guys get to
go out on their own terms, others do not, and
it feels, I think, to a lot of people, as
though Tim Soudy has written the script himself and his
performances don't warrant him being able to do that. I
think that's what the biggest talking point is here, more
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than anything else. Like I said before, if this wasn't
Tim Soudi's last series, if he hadn't said I'm retiring
after this one, this conversation would be a lot easier
to have because it wouldn't be a sentimental one. It
would be entirely performance based. But unfortunately, what's happened, because
it's been predetermined, it has become that conversation and it
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runs the risk of tainting what has been an absolutely
superb Test cricket and international cricket career for one of
our grades. Hey Sean, Hey boney, how are you Sean?
Speaker 11 (33:10):
I'm good man, that's good and I really like your
idea of picking billets is an open sort of thing.
It's a bit left field, but he I think he
could be quite successful in that spot. Not unlike David
Warner and Australia once upon a time.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, that's a good comparison. Actually, yeah, look, part of
me things will he could hardly do any worse. But
then you think, okay, well, let's show some intent. I've
always loved Glenn Phillips's intent in a game of cricket,
regardless of with his banning, bowling, fielding or watching from
the balcony. He always seems to have intent.
Speaker 11 (33:45):
Absolutely, and I think he I don't know, I don't
know him obviously, finding to the DVD's like quite a
mentally strong cricket as well sort of thing, and I
think that's a really good sort of what still get
to have when you're opening. So I think he could
be quite successful potentially. I'd hate to see us ruin
somebody like Revenger trying to get them into something that
they're not, because I think he is.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
He is.
Speaker 11 (34:07):
He is what the cornerstone of our betting line up
for the future, and we've destroyed twenty of vetter and
mentally by making them do things that they work ready,
I'd hate to see that happen personally.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, it's a good point, Sean, and actually me even
suggesting it before goes against the conversation I had with
Brian Young and specialists, and also the fact that I
see Devin Conway shouldn't be opening, Will Young shouldn't be opening,
so I shouldn't be suggesting, right. Nope, and either should I.
It's a good point, your mate, Sean.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
I like.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I like the Philip's idea. I can't claim that I've
come up with it all by myself. I've seen other
people suggest it. I mean, you know, there's only so
many players who can do it. I just think, what
is that to lose? What is that to lose by
sonic Glen Phillips, Get out there, mate, and and be
you aggressively authentic, get up in their grill as they say.
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You know, I don't think we lose anything by it.
Good to chat, Sewan, Thanks for everyone for your Call's
got to get away a break and get Piney his
power rankings in. Let's do that. It's sixteen away from eight.
We'll rate the weekend when we come back. Goodness rankings underway, indeed,
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with Piney's power rankings rating the best, the worst and
the in between. But from the Sporting weekend ten the
black Caps decimated inside three days in Wellington, including an
English hat trick.
Speaker 12 (35:36):
Here he comes, He's gone.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
He's gone.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
He's been good.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And I can sense taking a hat trick defeat at
the Basin by a demoralizing three hundred and twenty three
runs nine The Breakers are fourth straight defeat for them
in the Australian National Basketball League. A big wing for
the Sydney Kings.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
The copt to Wellington and take the chocolates. They stay
above five under and moved to nine and seven and
they laf frog the Breakers into.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Third spot on the table eat Hayders Liam Lawson, a
pit stop blunder, proving the difference between what could have
been a career best result and an eventual DNF and
Abu Dhabi. He was eight when his front left wheel
wasn't attached properly by his racing bulls crew. He was
slapped with a ten second penalty after a second successive
(36:31):
stop to correct the mishap.
Speaker 12 (36:33):
It sucks.
Speaker 13 (36:34):
We actually had really really good place through the race.
So obviously for me, even if I'm I'm running out
of the race and we're a lap down, I'm going
to push anyway because I'm trying to show something while
I'm in the car.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Seven seventh Jordy Barrett a debut for his New Irish
club and I too believe in the middle of the pitch.
We're in number twenty three. There is a debut for
a young man called Jordy.
Speaker 12 (36:55):
Barris, sixty eight Times Cup for New Zealand's twenty five
international tris.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Jordy Barrett coming on for Leinster at halftime and dotting
down for the Irish club's third try of the evening
in and eventual thirty five to twelve when six six
is the Australian cricket team bouncing back to square the
TES series against India with a comprehensive ten wicket win
in Adelaide. Travis Head the hero on his home ground, Chub.
Speaker 13 (37:23):
His head extra people one Day one toy in his
Yvon his eight tiesth century and the first South Australian
to score three centuries and the inlaid.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Oval into the top half five and staying in Australia
teenage sprinting sensation Gout Gout who on Saturday broke the
longest standing record in Australian track and field, Pigan Norman's
two hundred meters record he set at the nineteen sixty
eight Mexico Olympics.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
And now we really.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Start to bring up so let the next person.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Let the kid run.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
He is absolutely born out of this world.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
He's not.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Twenty point four seconds to win the two hundred meters
at the Australian All Schools Athletics Champs. That's quicker than
Usain Bolt ever ran at the same age. Remember the
name gout Gout four All White star Liby Caccacci. His
first ever goal in the Italian top flight is Cacaccia.
Speaker 9 (38:34):
It just gets better and better for Rampli.
Speaker 11 (38:36):
Cacuccia makes it three.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Cacaca makes a bit of personal history, the first.
Speaker 13 (38:41):
Ever of New Zealander to score in Saria three.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
The Blackfan Sevens at three Champions in Cape Town.
Speaker 12 (38:48):
The first tournament when in the New doorm era of
the Black.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Fan Sevens withered the storm and a victory they get.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah. The USA scored twice in the first couple of minutes,
but New Zealand worked their way back to lead it
half time and eventually win twenty six points to twelve.
Speaker 10 (39:05):
Two.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Auckland FC the Black Knights and the occasion that was
New Zealand Football Derby two point zero at go Media
on Saturday.
Speaker 12 (39:15):
Bath taking bum storming brilliant, gave a football electric blue
in the Derby six on the bounce for Auckland f C.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
And number one is another footballer, Chris Wood continuing a
remarkable run of form. What is it the fact post
Chris Wood's it's.
Speaker 13 (39:43):
Chris Wood celebrates a birth take goal and not to
your forest of it too goal lead now at Old Trufford.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
It is a goal that establishes Chris Wood on his own. Now,
that's notting of Forrest's highest goal scorer of the Premier
League era.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Astonishing from Chris Wood. It's a Piney's Power rankings. How
do you feel about about the ring Kings tonight?
Speaker 14 (40:07):
And I can't believe I'm saying this, poney, but I
don't have any issues this week that it was a
belief saying it all that seems about right to be honest.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (40:15):
When I heard about that Nottingham Forest School when I
was at the barber yesterday, I just about fell.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Out of the chair.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
That superb free one.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Did you enjoy the Derby? Oh it was great, yep, No,
it was it was absurd.
Speaker 14 (40:25):
We had paragliders flying onto the field at the very
start that we had high scoring. There were like three
goals the whole time and the place was packed. Incredible
and great day out of the Pooty. I think everyone
I went with immediately decided we were going to buy
a ticket to the next derby straight there and there.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Fantastic. Well I'll be there. Piney's power rankers will be
back next Monday. On News Talks, heb sevenway four away
from eight. Final text on the cricketing matters we've been
discussing tonight Poney as a sportsperson who had been at
the top level, if your former had completely dropped through
the floor, would you withdraw from the game despite it
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being the last of your career? I would, says Gilly.
I'd be in bad Harris to take the field, and
surely the good of your team is the top priority.
What would you do? Yeahgerly, it's a very good question.
I think Tim SOUDI probably would like to create the
fairy tale that I think it was.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Who was it?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Who's talking about it? Before?
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Aaron?
Speaker 7 (41:24):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Who rung in? I think it was who I made
the bet with. I should have written it down. Yeah, Look,
I don't think he'll withdraw from his final test. I
think this is a predetermined thing which, as I said
at the top of the show, will happen. You know,
there is absolutely nothing sure in my mind that Tim
Saudi will take the field in Hamilton as part of
New Zealand's eleven. I just hope that he gets the
(41:50):
fairy tale that his long service deserves. But as we know,
fairy tales do not always happen in sports. Sometimes they do,
sometimes they do not. Thanks to Answer Millisich for producing
the show. Thanks for listening in Marcus lush Is on
your radio after eight o'clock for the resume Monday. I'll
be back on Weekend Sport this coming Saturday from midday.
(42:11):
We'll see you then. Have a great week five and now.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
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