March 17, 2025 • 42 mins
Jason Pine returns to recap a full day in the world of sport! Highlights for tonight include:
Motorsport expert Eric Thompson on Liam Lawson's performance in Melbourne at the Australian Grand Prix.
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Hello there, good evening and welcome in. This is Monday
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I'm Jason Pine Show producer Andy McDonald. We're here to
late talking sport. It would be fair to say it
was a suboptimal first full time outing for Liam Lawson
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in Formula one over the weekend he struck a variety
of problems in Melbourne, didn't he and didn't finish the
race yesterday? Could he have done anything differently? Or were
large parts of what happened over the weekend, Whether the car,
his place in the pecking beyond his control rarely and
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how equipped is he to bounce back because he's got
to go again this weekend up in China for Event
two and twenty twenty five. Motorsport expert Eric Thompson standing
by the chat where us your thoughts are welcome to
other metters around today. The All Whites assembling in Wellington
as we speak. They're coming in in their troops and
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drabs from all corners of the globe as they prepare
for the final push towards next year's FIFA World Cup.
The All Whites face Fiji on Friday night at Sky
Stadium in the Capitol. If they win that, they'll meet
the winner of the other semi final, which is Tahiti
or New Caledonia. That game a week tonight at Eden Park.
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Win that and they punched their ticket to the expanded
forty eighteen tournament in the United States, Canada, and Mexico
next June and July. Costa barbarusis ahead of those upcoming matches,
and on Monday nights we do Piney's Power Rankings, rating
the best and the worst and everything in between in
the sporting weekend, but live sport tonight too. While we're
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on the air, Round two of the National Basketball League
underway in Pookakoe. The Franklin Balls and the todong A
Fi have just tipped off both winners in their first
up matches. Will keep tabs on that for you over
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So ken we. Liam Lawson has failed to finish his
first race with Red Bulls Senior team at the Australian
Grand Prix. He hit the wall with around ten laps
to go in a chaotic race in Melbourne.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Or to Latto's gone into the varrus as has Liam
Lawson at turn two, Bortolatto at turn thirteen, and they
have both come to a standstill.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Challenging weekend for Liam Lawson coming to terms with the
car teammate Max for Staff and took second place after
a tussle with eventual winner McLaren's Lando Norris Motorsport analyst
Eric Thompson is with us on news talks there'd be
and sports talk et always good to get your take
on things like this. How will Liam Lawson, first of
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all be feeling Do you think after the weekend.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
He'll be a bit annoyed? Actually? And if there's one
thing about Liam, what Christian Horner and doctor Marco Helmet
Helmet Arco think of him as his resilience and his
mental strength. You know, he's you know, he's not the
fastest outright sort of pure talented driver on the grid,
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but he's very very good. But it's that mental fortitude.
So he'll be going away thinking, yes, things didn't quite
work out for me. I did no running in free
practice FP three, no running at all, so a whole
practice sess and session on a circuit that he didn't
know Poney, had never been on before, had no experience
of any sort of vehicle, so missing that, I think,
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and that's when the things started to get a bit
difficult for him. And then that torrential rate on race day.
And he was normally very good in the way, but
the one good thing and as Christian Horner has come
out and International pressure said he set the second fastest
lap time of all the drivers in the dry when
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the race was dry. So he'll be be hanging onto
that pony and just going yep I can when things
are going right as fast, if not faster than most
of the pack.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
How much of what happened over the last three days
et was out of Lillam Lawson's control, I.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Would say quite a lot of it. First of all,
the weather number two, that the recharging system and the
battery's going flat and FP three so no running time
at all. And also they rolled the dice and left
them out there on a set of tires that hopefully
hoping that the track would dry. It didn't, so he
was the only one on sort of intermediate tires and
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the pouring rain, so of course he just aquiplaned and
stood off and hit the wall. So yeah, you know,
some people tell it was his mistake, you know he
stood off. No, they rolled the dice. You know, if
that had worked by and the sun had come out
and that track had dried at that stage, he was intent,
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so he could have easily challenged for the top five
had suddenly gone dry. But that's the way it is.
So if it worked, you look like, you know, you're magnificent,
and if it doesn't, you know, you look like a
bit of a well, you know, you should have come
and come the tires. But it's the whole team. It's
not just he doesn't make the decisions all on his own.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Speaking of the team aspect of this, can you just
clarify for me the car that Liam's in is it
identical to Verstappens.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Pretty much, And at the moment they're trying to change
it because in the first couple of practices it was
noted and you could see watching it, fans watching you
could see that that's the Staffens car had a different
nose on to Lim Lawson's car. So they're trying to
work out to get the car to suit Limb And
because of the lack of practice sessions pre season, well
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between the seasons, you know, they've cut way way way
way way way way back on testing and all that
sort of stuff, so they couldn't really get the car
set up before the Australian gone pre four Lawson, So
it's a little bit like we've got to try and
get the cars for him and the way he drives
whilst you're practicing for a race.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's but difficult indeed, indeed, because it's still important, isn't
it that Liam performs well across this season because apart
from obviously Max Forstappen being you know, their man for
the drivers Championship, Lilliam still has to pick up points,
doesn't he for Red Bull to help them in the
constructors Championship.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
Absolutely, Bony, You've nailed it, because all teams are worried about.
I mean, they like it when the driver wins the
championship for them, but all they're worried about is the Constructors'
Championships or the teams championships because that's where the money
comes from. That tens upon tens of millions of euros
comes from that. And with Red Bull dropping from first
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in the Constructors Championship in twenty three to I think
it was third last year in twenty twenty four, there
was a difference of about I think it was thirty
eight million euroin. You know, that's not jump change what
you find in the sop draw. So Liam Liam is
expected to be within I think Christian Horner and Hali
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Marcus said, you know, within something like five to seven
tenths of the second of Max for Staffen. But this
is his first hit out. He goes to China next
weekend again circuit he's never been on, so that'll be interesting.
But I reckon he'll be given probably a good five
to six races before, you know, like management media will
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probably be having a go soon. But you know, the
people who actually make the decisions, you know, they're going
to give him a bit of a chance. So it's
just it's the first hit out and nothing really went well.
I mean, you've got to look all through all the categories,
you know, with the rain and the weather and stuff.
Especially on that day, it was just a and that
Maltain's circuit Ponty is a weird, weird place. It's a
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public road, so it's got a crown in the middle
of the road, which means you know, it's not purpose
built track. It's got off camber corners and it's just
got white lines everywhere. And the people are complaining with
all the advent around the lake park with the cycle
tracks and all those sort of things. It's more white
lines and more colored line surfle rains. You're hiding nothing
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on that circuit.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, and you've brought up a good point in terms
of what China will be like. It'll be different, right,
more of a I guess, a traditional race track, but still,
as you've said, one that is unfamiliar to Liam.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Right, yes, so unfamiliar, but that has never really been
an issue. I think what the major problem was at
Melbourne with the weather and at being a street circuit.
Now he won't, you know, like you'll be on the simular.
He's already been on the simulator loads of times anyway,
but it's a purpose built racetrack, so he'll feel more comfortable,
more at home, and I think he'll bounce back really
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really well.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You mentioned before that they're likely to give him five
or six races before they start making a genuine assessment
of him. Unfortunately for Liam Lawson et and you'll know
this Formula one fans aren't quite as patient, are they.
They want instant results, instant gratification. And for those who
already had expressed doubts about Liam Lawson being given the seat,
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they've got four or haven't they over the weekend. I
certainly hope Liam Lawson stays off social media. Mate.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Social media these days is a bit hard to stay off.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
But I think, but I guess said. He's his own man.
You know, he's got this incredible resilience because you know,
it's one thing about young motorsport people on two wheels
or four wheels or even three wheels on the traits
and ATVs, they will start so young and they're doing
it from a very early age, and that's the pressure
is right on from the start.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Because there's an awful lot of money involved. He'll be
right on the The pull of the cars just didn't
work this weekend. I'm still quite happy with you know
what he did sitting the second passes lap time during
the race, big points. That's what he's inurnars and what
Halma Marco and Christian Hornan will be looking at. You know,
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he gets on well with makes the staff and you
know there's no grief there to just be put this way,
pin you, I reckon, if you're going to have a
crap race, get it out of the way first. Yes,
and that punch on, mate, punch.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
On absolutely, And you're so right. Et. It wasn't like
he stuffed up royally, you know, it wasn't like you know,
there was a combination of circumstances as you've said, that
led to what transpired over the weekend, and it wasn't
just Liam. You know, a lot of other far more
experience drivers also had trouble there yesterday in those horrendous conditions.
I was just going to ask you finally about the
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number two spot at red Ball, because it feels in
many ways like the most difficult seat in Formula One
is am I off the mark there on the market.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
And I'm just laughing with you. Somebody I've heard it
called the poison challenge. Yes, you know that it's the
cursed seat and Formula one loads and loads of analogies
and if you look at the history of the drivers
that have gone through it, you almost have to start going.
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But it's also the most prized you know, they have
had a you know, with their seat at Red Bull
or a seat at Perrari. You know, it's fantastic. But
there's one interesting thing that you touched on about how
lots of other people had issues. You've got to feel
for young Isaac Hadja at the racing balls went off
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in the warm up, you know so and Fernando Alonso
chucked it away, So you know, you just got to
look at some of the other's color signs. You know,
great talented drivers that have been around for a long time.
They stuffed it up. But Liam didn't stuff it up.
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That's the thing he didn't. You know. It's just a
combination of if anything can go wrong is a list
of five and unfortunately limb sort of tick fight.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, yeah, well, as you say, et get it out
of the way early punch on. There are twenty three
more events to go. As Bob McMurray said to me
on the radio on Saturday, this is day two of
seventy two. It's a long season, isn't it. So up
to China and let's say for better things. Great to
get your analysis tonight. Thanks for joining us on.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
ZB Always a pleasure, paint thank you, no, thank.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
You, Eric, Eric Thompson there with a real ability to
put things into into terms we can all understand. Seven
twenty on News Talk Zed Beat, oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Let's wrap up our coverage of Lillam
Lawson for the weekend. We've done a lot of preview
over the weekend, we chatted about it a lot. Let's
put a cap on it and finish our coverage of
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Liam Lawson's opening event as a full time at Red
Bull Driver. Anything you'd like to add to what you've
seen or heard over the last seventy two hours in Melbourne,
anything that stood out to you and especially and we've
got a couple of good calls on the shes today.
If one's your sweet spot, if it is something you've
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followed for a long time and you've got a particular
interest in motorsport and in Formula one, just the sorts
of things that occurred to you over the weekend. As
I said, I think it was on either Friday or Saturday.
A lot of people are coming to Formula one this
year because Lillam Lawson is in it, who would usually
only give it a passing glance or not even that,
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but because there's a key we there, we're now on board.
That's great. We're all kind of learning together, aren't we.
And it's people like Eric Thompson and Bob McMurray and
Greg Murphy and others we had on the air over
the weekend are really kind of flesh out our understanding
of this. But I know there are many people in
our audience who followed Formula one for a long long time.
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If you've got something you'd like to add that you
saw over the weekend, that'd be great. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. The main parts were you heard
from et are the ones I've seen widely reported in
the last twenty four hours or so since the race finished.
It's just the first one for Lilliam Lawson. Things went
against him that were beyond his control. He was a
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bit unlucky, so a lot of stuff that really wasn't
his fault. As I just said to Eric, then it
wasn't like he made a massive error or a bunch
of mistakes which would call his driving into question. There
were a lot of things that were out of his control.
What you'd hope, I guess, is that that doesn't continue
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to happen, because it would be extremely frustrating for Lilliam Lawson,
in particular, if these things keep on happening when he
gets up to China for the next Grand Prix this
weekend and then on to Japan, to ba Rain, to
Saudi Arabia, Miami and beyond what did he say, five
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or six events, and then they'll start to give a
decent assessment. That'll be a quarter of the way through
the twenty four events season, and I guess you can
then start to make a reliable assessment of what Liam
Lawson's driving ability is. Of course he would have preferred
a better start to the year. Of course, of course
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he would have preferred things to have turned out differently,
to finish the race, for starters, to pick up some
points by getting inside the top ten, to take away
some of the doubts which exists. And he'll be aware
of it, even though he probably wouldn't say so, the
doubt that exists over his elevation to this seat ahead
of others who many people thought had stronger claims than
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Liam Lawson did. But the thing you hear a lot
about Liam is how mentally strong he is, how he's
able to deal positively with setbacks, and he will need
every bit of that resilience because the harsh glare of
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Formula one is miles above anything he has experienced before.
It is utterly relentless, it's unforgiving, it's constant. This is
not a place for the faint hearted, and thankfully we're
not talking about a faint hearted sportsperson here and Liam Lawson,
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So anything on the F one or eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. The other part of this is I'd
be very keen to hear from you if we zoom
out a bit about what caught your attention across one
of the busiest sporting weekends I can remember for a
long long time. The seasons have well and truly collided.
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Super Rugby is a month, then, the NRL is underway.
We've still got international cricket going on, the Grand Prix
season has started, the A League is continuing. We had
Sale GP the last couple of days, the Players Championship,
and golf the so called Fifth Major. I'm probably forgetting
a bunch of stuff. So in amongst all of that,
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and presumably you're listening to the show because you've got
an interest in sport, what was it that cut through
for you? What was it out of all of those things,
or something else that rarely caught your attention? Because all
of those sports are in a battle for eyeballs, a
battle for retention, and at this time of the year,
when they're all happening at the same time, there is
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very little in the way of clear air. So what
is it that's capturing your attention at the moment in
all of these sports? Some of them more markedly than others,
have realized the battle that they're in and have tried
to innovate and to try different things, and to be
creative and to be flexible and to have an outside
the box type of thinking. And I think about Super
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Rugby and this isn't a very good example because I'm
not sure that it worked over the weekend, but at
least they innovated, and that was the Marvel Jerseys. I'm
not sure that met with universal approval, but at least
they gave it a go. They gave something a crack.
No idea is a bad idea, they say in a
brainstorming session. Not every idea should make it to fruition.
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But you know, nothing should be off the table as
you search for that valuable discretionary dollar, the sponsorship money,
the exposure through the mainstream media and social media. So
what is it that's grabbing your attention at the moment
in this jam packed sporting landscape that we find ourselves
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in in mid March eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
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seven twenty six on Sports talk Back with a few
of your calls after this The.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Great call is your call on Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty sports Talk call on your home of
Sports News Talks V seven.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Nine on News Talks Abit. This is Monday night sports Talk.
I said before, you're probably listening because you're into sport.
Bob says, No, I can't change the station on my radio.
I'm stuck here. Come on, Bob, I'm sure there are
other things that you could amuse yourself with. You could
walk away from the radio. Even if you guard change
the station. Surely you can change the station. It's not
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rusted on, there is it. It's good to have you
listening in. Bob. Seems like Liam skidded on a white line,
but like the others, just very unfortunate. Says this text.
You know, I heard Steve Price on with Mike Hosking
this morning talking about this. And because it's a it's
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basically a street race. Those streets are normally used just
for normal traffic. The white bits, as Steve Price was
explaining it, are bike lanes, so you know, you know,
so you won't find those on a natural racetrack. But
by the sound of it, the white bits that a
lot of the drivers found themselves skidding on and where
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the water was puddling are bike lanes currently, So that's
just another little added bit as far as what stuck
out over the weekend. The reason I guess I was
curious about this is that we are in the middle
of March, right and I guess you can probably say
the back end of summer. I know, I know theoretically
summer finishes when February does, but I think we're still
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in summer in terms of cricket because in March there
is always cricket happening in New Zealand right the way
through March and into early April. That is when the
international season is normally into its you know, if not
its real sweet spot that might be more January into February,
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but certainly there is usually cricket to watch in February
and March, and it is usually red ball cricket that
we can watch Test matches. No test matches after Christmas
this home summer. Instead, we've got white ball series for
both of our Black Caps and our White Ferns, And
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I guess I was thinking to myself, are we invested
in these series? Because part of me thought, well, you
know what, I'm not a huge fan of T twenty
as compared to Test cricket. I do watch it. I
do like to watch it, and I wondered how much
investment there was in the in the cricket, how much
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interest there is in it and in amongst everything else
that was going on, had people got themselves interested in
the cricket. And then I looked at the crowd there
yesterday at Hagley and it was sold out eight and
a half thousand and in Dunedin. Is that game tomorrow?
I think the second of those, one those those double
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headers is tomorrow down in Dunedin. It is the White
Ferns play first against Sri Lanka ten to fifteen tomorrow,
followed by the black Caps against Pakistan at two fifteen.
By the sounds of it, Dunedin is sold out as well,
so there is obviously still an interest in it. But
I just wondered for the sports fan who's not going
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along to the cricket, whether there was still that interest
in it as much as there would be if it
was a Test match, for example. I don't know. And
then they move on because once you get to bigger
venues then I guess it'll be much harder to sell
these games out. They go to Eden Park on Friday night.
The very interesting thing about eden Park this weekend coming
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up is that it hosts three different sports across four days.
Friday night, well Friday, from the afternoon into the evening.
It's cricket, another double header. It's the first of the
White Fern's Australia games at Eden Park. That's at two
forty five on Friday, followed by the Black Caps against Pakistan.
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That game underway at seven point fifteen. Then on Saturday
they get the rugby posts up for the game of
the weekend in Super Rugby Round six, the Blues battling
a bit up against the Crusaders who are finding some
vintage form. So that's on Saturday night. Nothing on Sunday.
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But then Monday night, as I mentioned before, it's the football,
the final of Oceania World Cup qualifying. Cricket Friday, rugby
Saturday football Monday, all on the same patch of grass,
different markings, different grass length presumably, although you can't obviously
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Tampa with that too much. You've got to drop in
a cricket pitch for the Friday, get rid of that
and then make sure it's all pristine for the rugby
on Saturday, and then I guess cut the grass back
a little bit again for Monday's football. You don't want
too much grass. If it's cricket. They wouldn't have long
grass anyway with they for the rugby and in March
they used to playing on short of grass anyway. But
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you know, ten fifteen years ago this wouldn't have been possible.
There's no way that they could have had three sports
in four days on the same patch of grass. We
might actually get in touch with the turf team at
Eden Park and find out what is required for that.
Quite a bit of overnight work, I would imagine, Glenda
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says Jason. I loved the Warriors thrashing manly, the Canes winning,
and I really enjoyed Lillam's race. Thanks Glenda. Yeah, the
Friday night was interesting, wasn't it, And that we wouldn't
have to but we had two of those things on
at the same time. If you're a Hurricanes fan, which
by the sounds of it you are, Glenda, and as
you may know I am. We had that on from
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seven and then the Warriors kicked in at eight o'clock,
so I was kind of had divided attention even yesterday
when Liam Lawson was racing. I was at the football,
I was at Auckland FC's games. I didn't get the
chance to watch it till later, Thanks Glenda. Andy says.
The NPC draw came out today. Pinting Southland plays Otago
for Stag Day to open the season yet again, and
in Vicago, although that's a long way off yet. AFL's
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back with a rapper opening round yet again. T twenty
international cricket played in a predicted twelve degrees in Dunedin
dozen in March register sadly and we're all watching Liam
Lawson with great interest. Chairs from Optimist Pete. Thank you
very much. Indeed, it'd be interested to know what it
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was that that caught your attention over the weekend. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty where you can fire
us through a text if you like. On nine two
nine two twenty four away from eight, just before we move, ius,
want to update you on the basketball because I said
I would do that. The NBL game happening between the
Franklin Bulls and the todong A Phi. What are we
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caught a time The Franklin Bulls lead the totong of
five twenty two points to sixteen. Both of these teams
had a win in round one. Let's go to football
where this coming Friday, it is the All Whites against Fiji.
It's one semi final in the Oceania World Cup qualifying
process that we're in. Two now, New Caledonia take on
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Tahiti three o'clock on Friday, then the All Whites against
Fiji seven o'clock. The winners of the two game games
will then meet in the final at the aforementioned Eden
Park on Monday evening a week tonight. In fact, a
week from now, will be almost did half time in
that game. Costa Barbarusis is part of the All White squad.
I spoke to Costa when the squad was announced last
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week and we spoke down at Sky Stadium, the scene
of the last time the All Whites qualified directly for
a World Cup or to a World Cup by beating
bar Rain on a memorable night in November of two
thousand and nine, and I asked Costa to jog my
memory as to whether he was involved in that game.
I know he didn't play, but was he involved in
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the All White squad? Even the Whites squad for that game.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
So I got called in late because Simon Elliott was
touch and go with I think as Hammy, So me
and someone else came in expecting to be on the bench,
and then Simon I don't know if he came good
or was just you know, sit on the bench. So
I was actually watching from the tunnel when Rory scored
and running onto the field when we qualified. So yeah,
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I was what do you call it, No, I guess
non playing reserve at the time.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
So yeah, but you'd spend the whole week with the team.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Yeah, yeah, So they played the away game. Simon must
have pulled up pretty bad after that, and then once
they came in, I got the call to bring my
passport to the hotel.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
And then of course since then Mexico Peru, Costa Rici.
You've played in all of those games. How nice would
it be to actually be part of a team that
makes it to a World Cup?
Speaker 7 (28:44):
Yeah? I mean, like I was saying before, fifteen or
so years between, with the unbelievable chance, I just feel
like I'm obviously, you know, give myself a bit of
credits to still be in the position too, but likely
to be given a chance or have the chance to
still be able to do it and sort of one
of the not last boxes, but a massive box to
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take for me and definitely something that's keeping me driven.
Speaker 8 (29:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, I was gonna ask about that because I guess
two or three years ago it wasn't absolutely guarantee that
you'd been in this position, you know. Has it always
been sitting there, the chance to play for the All
Whites at the twenty twenty six World Cup as one
of your drivers.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Yeah, I think so, And I think, like I said,
that's why I give myself a bit of credit, because
if you know, I'm not performing, not playing well, I
probably wouldn't have the chance, but not like I take
it year by year, but just it's just one of
those ones where I'd never say that I'm stepping away
(29:44):
or even you know, beyond the World Cup. I wouldn't
say no. But like I said, I just feel lucky
that I'm sort of there's people trust me and value
me to be involved, and I think I give a
lot to the team. So yeah, I'm very lucky to
have the chance and we're so close to do it,
(30:05):
and just be an unbelievable sort of feeling to get there.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
We use that word luck, but I'm not sure it
is that, because, as you say, you've got to play
well to be in the you know, in Darren Baiseley's mind,
how proud are you of the way you've played for
the last couple of seasons with Wellington, leading the line,
scoring goals, that sort of thing that has made you
in a irresistible proposition for him.
Speaker 9 (30:27):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
The first year I came back here was tough because
I was in and out of the team, and uncharacteristically
I've sort of picked up a few injuries that probably
contributed to that too, and came back in obviously last
year with the fresh everyone has sort of had a
clean slate and I made the most of it, really,
you know. And yeah, just put my head down and
(30:51):
worked hard. And again it's sort of like you said,
hard work, but sometimes things have to align as well
beyond that hard work. And so yeah, I feel like
I'm in a really good place and don't feel like
I'm stopping anytime. So and so, yeah, just feel not lucky,
like you said, but I feel sort of grateful to
(31:13):
still be able to do it.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And just back to twenty ten because like I say,
you've been in and around the team. Obviously you probably
just missed out on the twenty three for South Africa.
Is that the way it felt at the time.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Yeah, well I've said it many times. Had to deal
with me leaving the Phoenix to go to Brisbane, and
you know, Rickie holding is sort of against me a bit,
whether I deserve to go or not on the sort
of scale of or the basis of other players that
did go being semi professionals and stuff. At the time,
(31:43):
maybe I should have been in there. But at the
end of the day, that moved to Brisbane made my career.
So if I had stuck around and not played it
like what was happeningly, definitely wouldn't be here today or
probably might have wrapped up my career after those two years.
So yeah, one door closed in one hundred others open.
(32:05):
So yeah, it still hurts to be honest to this day.
But like I said, I've just worked hard and believed
myself over the years and still have the opportunity now.
So yeah, just proud and happy to be able to
have the chance to get.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
On your mate. Just a word on Chris Wood, who
was also around at that time, I think he was
about seventeen.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I think when in.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
The Bahrain game, you've been alongside him for a long
time in the national team. What have you seen from
him that has allowed him to make the most of
his football career.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
I think he's incredibly clever as a player to use
his strengths. He plays in a way that suits him,
not as a team. I'm talking about himself, and has
made a career of using his strengths, you know, And
I think that's a You've got to be a smart
player to do that. And yeah, hats off to him.
(32:54):
He keeps sort of not reinventing himself, but I think
finding ways to make himself a handful for everyone. And
I think he's just a brilliant player and a brilliant
striker that you know. I say for young players to
look at Obviously you need to be a certain build
or type of player to be able to replicate what
he does. But even just like I said, the smarts
(33:17):
to be able to do that, kids should be looking
at that and trying to replicate that.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
And just to finish, if you do negotiate fig and
then the final at Eden Park. This took quite a
long way until the World Cup next year A so
obviously games for the national team, but you still feel
as though you know there's a need to keep your
level right up here just to make sure you're on
that plane next year as well.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Yeah, yeah, everyone's playing for places. To be honest, we
need to be obviously have a better sort of last
seven games after this break or six it'll be, and
then on next year, just have a really good year
and fine form before the World Cup. There's a few
windows before that too, but I don't think anyone's sort
(34:02):
of there on merit and everyone's there on form. So
if that rings, if you need to be playing first
of all and then performing. So I'm aware of that.
I think everyone's aware of that and sort of makes
it more exciting and like I said, drives us a
bit more.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Is on all the best of the next ten days. Say,
it's funny that is Costa Barbarusa. So I spoke to
you last week, interesting comments there about twenty ten well
and truly in the mix for twenty twenty six. One
of Carrere's forwards for himself cost of barbarusis And yeah,
like I said to him during that chat, and he's
admitted this in the past, there were times when he thought,
(34:38):
you know what, this might be it for me. But
the last couple of years he's enjoyed a career in naissance.
Got a goal last night, another one for the Phoenix.
It's been a challenging season for them, but eight goals
this season for Costa barbarusis just a couple behind the
Golden Boot leaders and a big part of the squad
that's going to look to make the final push to
the World Cup next year in June and July. A
(35:01):
couple of questions about the direct entry part of it year.
It's an expanded World Cup. Forty eight teams will go
to the World Cup next year. You might have a
view on that. It's usually thirty two, or has been
for the last few forty eight now, which means that
Oceania gets direct entry for the first time in the past.
As you'll know, in terms of the intercontinental playoffs, the
(35:23):
Bahrain game are the matches against the likes of Mexico
and Peru Costa Rica. There was an intercontinental playoff that
had to be negotiated by New Zealand if they were
to make the World Cup. Not anymore, they just have
to win Oceania, so they are the big fish in
Oceania most. In fact, all of their players are professionals.
Very few of the players from the other teams Fiji,
(35:44):
New Caledonia, Tahitia full time professionals. The vast vast majority
amateur players. So logic would suggest that the All Whites
should comfortably qualify for the World Cup. They're not taking
any chances, though, They're approaching it like there would any
other game and just making sure that they get the
job done first on Friday and then again on Monday
(36:05):
night final. A couple of texts before we move on.
Pontier was watching the Crusaders play the other day. I
was thrilled to see a number thirteen who can pass
the ball and draw a player. The All Blacks need them,
Thanks Graham. That was Brandon inaw of course. Yeah, first
game back for a long time. And I too was
impressed by Braiden Innaw. I think a lot of people
thought a wee while ago he was going to be
a long time All Black. Hasn't worked out that way,
(36:27):
but yeah, let's help we see more of Braden Inawe.
And Ponier was wondering who won the Carabell Cup Newcastle
or Liverpool. Yeah, that sounds like it's coming from a
Newcastle fan. Where will they be on the power rankings though,
we'll find out in a moment. Fourteen to eight power
rankings alright, any time for party's Power rankings, rating the best,
(36:50):
the worst and the in between. Bets from up Versey
Sporting weekend the Welsh rug bed team and even ten
seems high for them plumbing new depths of mediocrity. They've
never been anywhere else.
Speaker 8 (37:06):
Ju had ever before Home four aways and the site
there about of Jones just about sun SLINKs up the
final scoring cardin England have beaten Wales by sixty eight
points to.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Fourteen are something in a seventeenth success of defeat. The
most ever buy a Tier one nation in the professional
era nine nine is Liam Lawson. A challenging weekend for
the key we at the Australian Grand Prix. Hitting the
wall with around ten laps to go in a chaotic
race in Melbourne yesterday.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Bortletto's gone into the baris ass has Liam Lawson at
turn two, bort Aletto at turn thirteen and they have
both come to a standstill.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
A d n IF in his first race as a
full time read ball driver.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Yeah, we were really struggling, to be honest, so I
had a lot of tire issues with the friends early
on in the race.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
So yeah, obviously it's just been a tough weekends.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Of the Wellington Phoenix Men snapping a four game losing
streak with a much improved showing last night against Sidney Gerald.
That's a nice turn, lovely Paul through barbarusss around the
cape scores almost inevitable, wasn't a seven France Six Nations
Rugby champions.
Speaker 9 (38:25):
Ali maoxas well half the championship, thank you very much
and France have rhythm the muja carbet to the title.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah becouse if they brought that team down here during June.
But here we are six the Black Foils back on
the podium at the Los Angeles sou GP of n
today the.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
Greatest Neighbors to the North as Canada comes to Los
Angeles and trains the top prize. The Kiwis will hold
on for second, Australia third.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
New Zealand six third overall after four regattas behind Great
Britain and Australia five into the top half. The Black
calf seam Bowl is yesterday. Korea bears figures for Kyle
Jamison in the air and the air and out game
a little bit of work, but he didn't have any
poked and that was the problem there. And for Jacob Duffy,
(39:17):
it's going to be thilling straight here. Doesn't need Duffy. Well,
he's gone after that and that's that. That is the
end of the innings for the third time in New Zealand.
Pakistan all out with less than one hundred on the
board and it's een twenty. Duffy gets four for fourteen
and Pakistan all out for ninety one four four is
weeke in sport caller Angus who joined us from the
(39:39):
Melbourne Grand Prix yesterday.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Anything could happen, literally, anything could happen. We just seen liam'
skilfrind just walk past, so it could could be seeing
Liam Lawson soon actually.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
So we can say live on here. You've seen Liam
Lawson's girlfriend. I think this is good.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
Just walk past. She's got a bet of security detail
with her.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
She's gone as to panic now.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
So I'd say he's about to come past as well.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
So yeah, what sort of security detail have you employed?
Speaker 8 (40:03):
I haven't got any denote One.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
No, I just feel as you're the kind of guy
who would need to be protected from the great unwashed. No,
I don't know, hear on myself.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Three.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Three is the Crusaders and in particular their wingers having
a field day in christ Church. Sevy Reese in a.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Field in Higo.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Sievy race straight up the guts. He wants a hat trick,
He gets a hat trick and Macca Springer free up Springer.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Who wants five? He mighting a Chancellor? He well, Becca Springer.
Speaker 9 (40:34):
Five of the mess he hits is the Crusaders all
type record books.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, five tries for Maca Springer and three for Reese
and a fifty five thirty three win over the Western Force.
Two the Magpies Newcastle United their first football trophy in
fifty six years. Newcastle United have.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Won a trophy for the first time.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Since nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Fifty six years of heart and Wendley Stadium.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Here two one winners over Liverpool and the League Cup
final this morning on the wires, the Warriors bouncing back
from defeat in Vegas to beat Manly in front of
their home faithful on Friday night.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Micka Harris covena puppy.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
A six.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, Roger back and tri scoring action and the Warriors
back in the winner's circle. How do you feel about
feel about the power inkings? Well, very big of you
to put Newcastle in there at too well done, Pining.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
I commend you for that.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Thank you well. I didn't feel as though I could
leave them out. That would have looked a little bit
like the Saw Loser. The Saw Loser Power Rankings. Next
Monday six to eight, three to eight, and just like that,
Sports Talk is done, All done for Monday, March seventeen.
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(42:03):
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Talk between seven and eight for the rest of the week.
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See you on Saturday.
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Happy Saint Patrick's Day to those of you who celebrate.
I'm Jason Pine Show producer Andy McDonald. We're here to
late talking sport. It would be fair to say it
was a suboptimal first full time outing for Liam Lawson
(00:46):
in Formula one over the weekend he struck a variety
of problems in Melbourne, didn't he and didn't finish the
race yesterday? Could he have done anything differently? Or were
large parts of what happened over the weekend, Whether the car,
his place in the pecking beyond his control rarely and
(01:09):
how equipped is he to bounce back because he's got
to go again this weekend up in China for Event
two and twenty twenty five. Motorsport expert Eric Thompson standing
by the chat where us your thoughts are welcome to
other metters around today. The All Whites assembling in Wellington
as we speak. They're coming in in their troops and
(01:31):
drabs from all corners of the globe as they prepare
for the final push towards next year's FIFA World Cup.
The All Whites face Fiji on Friday night at Sky
Stadium in the Capitol. If they win that, they'll meet
the winner of the other semi final, which is Tahiti
or New Caledonia. That game a week tonight at Eden Park.
(01:51):
Win that and they punched their ticket to the expanded
forty eighteen tournament in the United States, Canada, and Mexico
next June and July. Costa barbarusis ahead of those upcoming matches,
and on Monday nights we do Piney's Power Rankings, rating
the best and the worst and everything in between in
the sporting weekend, but live sport tonight too. While we're
(02:14):
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underway in Pookakoe. The Franklin Balls and the todong A
Fi have just tipped off both winners in their first
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Speaker 2 (03:11):
So ken we. Liam Lawson has failed to finish his
first race with Red Bulls Senior team at the Australian
Grand Prix. He hit the wall with around ten laps
to go in a chaotic race in Melbourne.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Or to Latto's gone into the varrus as has Liam
Lawson at turn two, Bortolatto at turn thirteen, and they
have both come to a standstill.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Challenging weekend for Liam Lawson coming to terms with the
car teammate Max for Staff and took second place after
a tussle with eventual winner McLaren's Lando Norris Motorsport analyst
Eric Thompson is with us on news talks there'd be
and sports talk et always good to get your take
on things like this. How will Liam Lawson, first of
(03:54):
all be feeling Do you think after the weekend.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
He'll be a bit annoyed? Actually? And if there's one
thing about Liam, what Christian Horner and doctor Marco Helmet
Helmet Arco think of him as his resilience and his
mental strength. You know, he's you know, he's not the
fastest outright sort of pure talented driver on the grid,
(04:19):
but he's very very good. But it's that mental fortitude.
So he'll be going away thinking, yes, things didn't quite
work out for me. I did no running in free
practice FP three, no running at all, so a whole
practice sess and session on a circuit that he didn't
know Poney, had never been on before, had no experience
of any sort of vehicle, so missing that, I think,
(04:41):
and that's when the things started to get a bit
difficult for him. And then that torrential rate on race day.
And he was normally very good in the way, but
the one good thing and as Christian Horner has come
out and International pressure said he set the second fastest
lap time of all the drivers in the dry when
(05:03):
the race was dry. So he'll be be hanging onto
that pony and just going yep I can when things
are going right as fast, if not faster than most
of the pack.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
How much of what happened over the last three days
et was out of Lillam Lawson's control, I.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Would say quite a lot of it. First of all,
the weather number two, that the recharging system and the
battery's going flat and FP three so no running time
at all. And also they rolled the dice and left
them out there on a set of tires that hopefully
hoping that the track would dry. It didn't, so he
was the only one on sort of intermediate tires and
(05:43):
the pouring rain, so of course he just aquiplaned and
stood off and hit the wall. So yeah, you know,
some people tell it was his mistake, you know he
stood off. No, they rolled the dice. You know, if
that had worked by and the sun had come out
and that track had dried at that stage, he was intent,
(06:03):
so he could have easily challenged for the top five
had suddenly gone dry. But that's the way it is.
So if it worked, you look like, you know, you're magnificent,
and if it doesn't, you know, you look like a
bit of a well, you know, you should have come
and come the tires. But it's the whole team. It's
not just he doesn't make the decisions all on his own.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Speaking of the team aspect of this, can you just
clarify for me the car that Liam's in is it
identical to Verstappens.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Pretty much, And at the moment they're trying to change
it because in the first couple of practices it was
noted and you could see watching it, fans watching you
could see that that's the Staffens car had a different
nose on to Lim Lawson's car. So they're trying to
work out to get the car to suit Limb And
because of the lack of practice sessions pre season, well
(06:53):
between the seasons, you know, they've cut way way way
way way way way back on testing and all that
sort of stuff, so they couldn't really get the car
set up before the Australian gone pre four Lawson, So
it's a little bit like we've got to try and
get the cars for him and the way he drives
whilst you're practicing for a race.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's but difficult indeed, indeed, because it's still important, isn't
it that Liam performs well across this season because apart
from obviously Max Forstappen being you know, their man for
the drivers Championship, Lilliam still has to pick up points,
doesn't he for Red Bull to help them in the
constructors Championship.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
Absolutely, Bony, You've nailed it, because all teams are worried about.
I mean, they like it when the driver wins the
championship for them, but all they're worried about is the Constructors'
Championships or the teams championships because that's where the money
comes from. That tens upon tens of millions of euros
comes from that. And with Red Bull dropping from first
(07:53):
in the Constructors Championship in twenty three to I think
it was third last year in twenty twenty four, there
was a difference of about I think it was thirty
eight million euroin. You know, that's not jump change what
you find in the sop draw. So Liam Liam is
expected to be within I think Christian Horner and Hali
(08:15):
Marcus said, you know, within something like five to seven
tenths of the second of Max for Staffen. But this
is his first hit out. He goes to China next
weekend again circuit he's never been on, so that'll be interesting.
But I reckon he'll be given probably a good five
to six races before, you know, like management media will
(08:36):
probably be having a go soon. But you know, the
people who actually make the decisions, you know, they're going
to give him a bit of a chance. So it's
just it's the first hit out and nothing really went well.
I mean, you've got to look all through all the categories,
you know, with the rain and the weather and stuff.
Especially on that day, it was just a and that
Maltain's circuit Ponty is a weird, weird place. It's a
(08:59):
public road, so it's got a crown in the middle
of the road, which means you know, it's not purpose
built track. It's got off camber corners and it's just
got white lines everywhere. And the people are complaining with
all the advent around the lake park with the cycle
tracks and all those sort of things. It's more white
lines and more colored line surfle rains. You're hiding nothing
(09:21):
on that circuit.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, and you've brought up a good point in terms
of what China will be like. It'll be different, right,
more of a I guess, a traditional race track, but still,
as you've said, one that is unfamiliar to Liam.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Right, yes, so unfamiliar, but that has never really been
an issue. I think what the major problem was at
Melbourne with the weather and at being a street circuit.
Now he won't, you know, like you'll be on the simular.
He's already been on the simulator loads of times anyway,
but it's a purpose built racetrack, so he'll feel more comfortable,
more at home, and I think he'll bounce back really
(09:56):
really well.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You mentioned before that they're likely to give him five
or six races before they start making a genuine assessment
of him. Unfortunately for Liam Lawson et and you'll know
this Formula one fans aren't quite as patient, are they.
They want instant results, instant gratification. And for those who
already had expressed doubts about Liam Lawson being given the seat,
(10:19):
they've got four or haven't they over the weekend. I
certainly hope Liam Lawson stays off social media. Mate.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Social media these days is a bit hard to stay off.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
But I think, but I guess said. He's his own man.
You know, he's got this incredible resilience because you know,
it's one thing about young motorsport people on two wheels
or four wheels or even three wheels on the traits
and ATVs, they will start so young and they're doing
it from a very early age, and that's the pressure
is right on from the start.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Because there's an awful lot of money involved. He'll be
right on the The pull of the cars just didn't
work this weekend. I'm still quite happy with you know
what he did sitting the second passes lap time during
the race, big points. That's what he's inurnars and what
Halma Marco and Christian Hornan will be looking at. You know,
(11:11):
he gets on well with makes the staff and you
know there's no grief there to just be put this way,
pin you, I reckon, if you're going to have a
crap race, get it out of the way first. Yes,
and that punch on, mate, punch.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
On absolutely, And you're so right. Et. It wasn't like
he stuffed up royally, you know, it wasn't like you know,
there was a combination of circumstances as you've said, that
led to what transpired over the weekend, and it wasn't
just Liam. You know, a lot of other far more
experience drivers also had trouble there yesterday in those horrendous conditions.
I was just going to ask you finally about the
(11:46):
number two spot at red Ball, because it feels in
many ways like the most difficult seat in Formula One
is am I off the mark there on the market.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
And I'm just laughing with you. Somebody I've heard it
called the poison challenge. Yes, you know that it's the
cursed seat and Formula one loads and loads of analogies
and if you look at the history of the drivers
that have gone through it, you almost have to start going.
(12:19):
But it's also the most prized you know, they have
had a you know, with their seat at Red Bull
or a seat at Perrari. You know, it's fantastic. But
there's one interesting thing that you touched on about how
lots of other people had issues. You've got to feel
for young Isaac Hadja at the racing balls went off
(12:39):
in the warm up, you know so and Fernando Alonso
chucked it away, So you know, you just got to
look at some of the other's color signs. You know,
great talented drivers that have been around for a long time.
They stuffed it up. But Liam didn't stuff it up.
(12:59):
That's the thing he didn't. You know. It's just a
combination of if anything can go wrong is a list
of five and unfortunately limb sort of tick fight.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, yeah, well, as you say, et get it out
of the way early punch on. There are twenty three
more events to go. As Bob McMurray said to me
on the radio on Saturday, this is day two of
seventy two. It's a long season, isn't it. So up
to China and let's say for better things. Great to
get your analysis tonight. Thanks for joining us on.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
ZB Always a pleasure, paint thank you, no, thank.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
You, Eric, Eric Thompson there with a real ability to
put things into into terms we can all understand. Seven
twenty on News Talk Zed Beat, oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Let's wrap up our coverage of Lillam
Lawson for the weekend. We've done a lot of preview
over the weekend, we chatted about it a lot. Let's
put a cap on it and finish our coverage of
(13:55):
Liam Lawson's opening event as a full time at Red
Bull Driver. Anything you'd like to add to what you've
seen or heard over the last seventy two hours in Melbourne,
anything that stood out to you and especially and we've
got a couple of good calls on the shes today.
If one's your sweet spot, if it is something you've
(14:16):
followed for a long time and you've got a particular
interest in motorsport and in Formula one, just the sorts
of things that occurred to you over the weekend. As
I said, I think it was on either Friday or Saturday.
A lot of people are coming to Formula one this
year because Lillam Lawson is in it, who would usually
only give it a passing glance or not even that,
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but because there's a key we there, we're now on board.
That's great. We're all kind of learning together, aren't we.
And it's people like Eric Thompson and Bob McMurray and
Greg Murphy and others we had on the air over
the weekend are really kind of flesh out our understanding
of this. But I know there are many people in
our audience who followed Formula one for a long long time.
(15:00):
If you've got something you'd like to add that you
saw over the weekend, that'd be great. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. The main parts were you heard
from et are the ones I've seen widely reported in
the last twenty four hours or so since the race finished.
It's just the first one for Lilliam Lawson. Things went
against him that were beyond his control. He was a
(15:22):
bit unlucky, so a lot of stuff that really wasn't
his fault. As I just said to Eric, then it
wasn't like he made a massive error or a bunch
of mistakes which would call his driving into question. There
were a lot of things that were out of his control.
What you'd hope, I guess, is that that doesn't continue
(15:44):
to happen, because it would be extremely frustrating for Lilliam Lawson,
in particular, if these things keep on happening when he
gets up to China for the next Grand Prix this
weekend and then on to Japan, to ba Rain, to
Saudi Arabia, Miami and beyond what did he say, five
(16:05):
or six events, and then they'll start to give a
decent assessment. That'll be a quarter of the way through
the twenty four events season, and I guess you can
then start to make a reliable assessment of what Liam
Lawson's driving ability is. Of course he would have preferred
a better start to the year. Of course, of course
(16:26):
he would have preferred things to have turned out differently,
to finish the race, for starters, to pick up some
points by getting inside the top ten, to take away
some of the doubts which exists. And he'll be aware
of it, even though he probably wouldn't say so, the
doubt that exists over his elevation to this seat ahead
of others who many people thought had stronger claims than
(16:48):
Liam Lawson did. But the thing you hear a lot
about Liam is how mentally strong he is, how he's
able to deal positively with setbacks, and he will need
every bit of that resilience because the harsh glare of
(17:10):
Formula one is miles above anything he has experienced before.
It is utterly relentless, it's unforgiving, it's constant. This is
not a place for the faint hearted, and thankfully we're
not talking about a faint hearted sportsperson here and Liam Lawson,
(17:31):
So anything on the F one or eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. The other part of this is I'd
be very keen to hear from you if we zoom
out a bit about what caught your attention across one
of the busiest sporting weekends I can remember for a
long long time. The seasons have well and truly collided.
(17:52):
Super Rugby is a month, then, the NRL is underway.
We've still got international cricket going on, the Grand Prix
season has started, the A League is continuing. We had
Sale GP the last couple of days, the Players Championship,
and golf the so called Fifth Major. I'm probably forgetting
a bunch of stuff. So in amongst all of that,
(18:14):
and presumably you're listening to the show because you've got
an interest in sport, what was it that cut through
for you? What was it out of all of those things,
or something else that rarely caught your attention? Because all
of those sports are in a battle for eyeballs, a
battle for retention, and at this time of the year,
when they're all happening at the same time, there is
(18:36):
very little in the way of clear air. So what
is it that's capturing your attention at the moment in
all of these sports? Some of them more markedly than others,
have realized the battle that they're in and have tried
to innovate and to try different things, and to be
creative and to be flexible and to have an outside
the box type of thinking. And I think about Super
(18:59):
Rugby and this isn't a very good example because I'm
not sure that it worked over the weekend, but at
least they innovated, and that was the Marvel Jerseys. I'm
not sure that met with universal approval, but at least
they gave it a go. They gave something a crack.
No idea is a bad idea, they say in a
brainstorming session. Not every idea should make it to fruition.
(19:19):
But you know, nothing should be off the table as
you search for that valuable discretionary dollar, the sponsorship money,
the exposure through the mainstream media and social media. So
what is it that's grabbing your attention at the moment
in this jam packed sporting landscape that we find ourselves
(19:40):
in in mid March eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is our phone number nine to ninety two on text
seven twenty six on Sports talk Back with a few
of your calls after this The.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Great call is your call on Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty sports Talk call on your home of
Sports News Talks V seven.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Nine on News Talks Abit. This is Monday night sports Talk.
I said before, you're probably listening because you're into sport.
Bob says, No, I can't change the station on my radio.
I'm stuck here. Come on, Bob, I'm sure there are
other things that you could amuse yourself with. You could
walk away from the radio. Even if you guard change
the station. Surely you can change the station. It's not
(20:23):
rusted on, there is it. It's good to have you
listening in. Bob. Seems like Liam skidded on a white line,
but like the others, just very unfortunate. Says this text.
You know, I heard Steve Price on with Mike Hosking
this morning talking about this. And because it's a it's
(20:43):
basically a street race. Those streets are normally used just
for normal traffic. The white bits, as Steve Price was
explaining it, are bike lanes, so you know, you know,
so you won't find those on a natural racetrack. But
by the sound of it, the white bits that a
lot of the drivers found themselves skidding on and where
(21:03):
the water was puddling are bike lanes currently, So that's
just another little added bit as far as what stuck
out over the weekend. The reason I guess I was
curious about this is that we are in the middle
of March, right and I guess you can probably say
the back end of summer. I know, I know theoretically
summer finishes when February does, but I think we're still
(21:25):
in summer in terms of cricket because in March there
is always cricket happening in New Zealand right the way
through March and into early April. That is when the
international season is normally into its you know, if not
its real sweet spot that might be more January into February,
(21:45):
but certainly there is usually cricket to watch in February
and March, and it is usually red ball cricket that
we can watch Test matches. No test matches after Christmas
this home summer. Instead, we've got white ball series for
both of our Black Caps and our White Ferns, And
(22:07):
I guess I was thinking to myself, are we invested
in these series? Because part of me thought, well, you
know what, I'm not a huge fan of T twenty
as compared to Test cricket. I do watch it. I
do like to watch it, and I wondered how much
investment there was in the in the cricket, how much
(22:28):
interest there is in it and in amongst everything else
that was going on, had people got themselves interested in
the cricket. And then I looked at the crowd there
yesterday at Hagley and it was sold out eight and
a half thousand and in Dunedin. Is that game tomorrow?
I think the second of those, one those those double
(22:50):
headers is tomorrow down in Dunedin. It is the White
Ferns play first against Sri Lanka ten to fifteen tomorrow,
followed by the black Caps against Pakistan at two fifteen.
By the sounds of it, Dunedin is sold out as well,
so there is obviously still an interest in it. But
I just wondered for the sports fan who's not going
(23:12):
along to the cricket, whether there was still that interest
in it as much as there would be if it
was a Test match, for example. I don't know. And
then they move on because once you get to bigger
venues then I guess it'll be much harder to sell
these games out. They go to Eden Park on Friday night.
The very interesting thing about eden Park this weekend coming
(23:33):
up is that it hosts three different sports across four days.
Friday night, well Friday, from the afternoon into the evening.
It's cricket, another double header. It's the first of the
White Fern's Australia games at Eden Park. That's at two
forty five on Friday, followed by the Black Caps against Pakistan.
(23:57):
That game underway at seven point fifteen. Then on Saturday
they get the rugby posts up for the game of
the weekend in Super Rugby Round six, the Blues battling
a bit up against the Crusaders who are finding some
vintage form. So that's on Saturday night. Nothing on Sunday.
(24:19):
But then Monday night, as I mentioned before, it's the football,
the final of Oceania World Cup qualifying. Cricket Friday, rugby
Saturday football Monday, all on the same patch of grass,
different markings, different grass length presumably, although you can't obviously
(24:40):
Tampa with that too much. You've got to drop in
a cricket pitch for the Friday, get rid of that
and then make sure it's all pristine for the rugby
on Saturday, and then I guess cut the grass back
a little bit again for Monday's football. You don't want
too much grass. If it's cricket. They wouldn't have long
grass anyway with they for the rugby and in March
they used to playing on short of grass anyway. But
(25:00):
you know, ten fifteen years ago this wouldn't have been possible.
There's no way that they could have had three sports
in four days on the same patch of grass. We
might actually get in touch with the turf team at
Eden Park and find out what is required for that.
Quite a bit of overnight work, I would imagine, Glenda
(25:21):
says Jason. I loved the Warriors thrashing manly, the Canes winning,
and I really enjoyed Lillam's race. Thanks Glenda. Yeah, the
Friday night was interesting, wasn't it, And that we wouldn't
have to but we had two of those things on
at the same time. If you're a Hurricanes fan, which
by the sounds of it you are, Glenda, and as
you may know I am. We had that on from
(25:42):
seven and then the Warriors kicked in at eight o'clock,
so I was kind of had divided attention even yesterday
when Liam Lawson was racing. I was at the football,
I was at Auckland FC's games. I didn't get the
chance to watch it till later, Thanks Glenda. Andy says.
The NPC draw came out today. Pinting Southland plays Otago
for Stag Day to open the season yet again, and
in Vicago, although that's a long way off yet. AFL's
(26:05):
back with a rapper opening round yet again. T twenty
international cricket played in a predicted twelve degrees in Dunedin
dozen in March register sadly and we're all watching Liam
Lawson with great interest. Chairs from Optimist Pete. Thank you
very much. Indeed, it'd be interested to know what it
(26:25):
was that that caught your attention over the weekend. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty where you can fire
us through a text if you like. On nine two
nine two twenty four away from eight, just before we move, ius,
want to update you on the basketball because I said
I would do that. The NBL game happening between the
Franklin Bulls and the todong A Phi. What are we
(26:48):
caught a time The Franklin Bulls lead the totong of
five twenty two points to sixteen. Both of these teams
had a win in round one. Let's go to football
where this coming Friday, it is the All Whites against Fiji.
It's one semi final in the Oceania World Cup qualifying
process that we're in. Two now, New Caledonia take on
(27:08):
Tahiti three o'clock on Friday, then the All Whites against
Fiji seven o'clock. The winners of the two game games
will then meet in the final at the aforementioned Eden
Park on Monday evening a week tonight. In fact, a
week from now, will be almost did half time in
that game. Costa Barbarusis is part of the All White squad.
I spoke to Costa when the squad was announced last
(27:31):
week and we spoke down at Sky Stadium, the scene
of the last time the All Whites qualified directly for
a World Cup or to a World Cup by beating
bar Rain on a memorable night in November of two
thousand and nine, and I asked Costa to jog my
memory as to whether he was involved in that game.
I know he didn't play, but was he involved in
(27:52):
the All White squad? Even the Whites squad for that game.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
So I got called in late because Simon Elliott was
touch and go with I think as Hammy, So me
and someone else came in expecting to be on the bench,
and then Simon I don't know if he came good
or was just you know, sit on the bench. So
I was actually watching from the tunnel when Rory scored
and running onto the field when we qualified. So yeah,
(28:17):
I was what do you call it, No, I guess
non playing reserve at the time.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
So yeah, but you'd spend the whole week with the team.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Yeah, yeah, So they played the away game. Simon must
have pulled up pretty bad after that, and then once
they came in, I got the call to bring my
passport to the hotel.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
And then of course since then Mexico Peru, Costa Rici.
You've played in all of those games. How nice would
it be to actually be part of a team that
makes it to a World Cup?
Speaker 7 (28:44):
Yeah? I mean, like I was saying before, fifteen or
so years between, with the unbelievable chance, I just feel
like I'm obviously, you know, give myself a bit of
credits to still be in the position too, but likely
to be given a chance or have the chance to
still be able to do it and sort of one
of the not last boxes, but a massive box to
(29:07):
take for me and definitely something that's keeping me driven.
Speaker 8 (29:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, I was gonna ask about that because I guess
two or three years ago it wasn't absolutely guarantee that
you'd been in this position, you know. Has it always
been sitting there, the chance to play for the All
Whites at the twenty twenty six World Cup as one
of your drivers.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Yeah, I think so, And I think, like I said,
that's why I give myself a bit of credit, because
if you know, I'm not performing, not playing well, I
probably wouldn't have the chance, but not like I take
it year by year, but just it's just one of
those ones where I'd never say that I'm stepping away
(29:44):
or even you know, beyond the World Cup. I wouldn't
say no. But like I said, I just feel lucky
that I'm sort of there's people trust me and value
me to be involved, and I think I give a
lot to the team. So yeah, I'm very lucky to
have the chance and we're so close to do it,
(30:05):
and just be an unbelievable sort of feeling to get there.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
We use that word luck, but I'm not sure it
is that, because, as you say, you've got to play
well to be in the you know, in Darren Baiseley's mind,
how proud are you of the way you've played for
the last couple of seasons with Wellington, leading the line,
scoring goals, that sort of thing that has made you
in a irresistible proposition for him.
Speaker 9 (30:27):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
The first year I came back here was tough because
I was in and out of the team, and uncharacteristically
I've sort of picked up a few injuries that probably
contributed to that too, and came back in obviously last
year with the fresh everyone has sort of had a
clean slate and I made the most of it, really,
you know. And yeah, just put my head down and
(30:51):
worked hard. And again it's sort of like you said,
hard work, but sometimes things have to align as well
beyond that hard work. And so yeah, I feel like
I'm in a really good place and don't feel like
I'm stopping anytime. So and so, yeah, just feel not lucky,
like you said, but I feel sort of grateful to
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still be able to do it.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And just back to twenty ten because like I say,
you've been in and around the team. Obviously you probably
just missed out on the twenty three for South Africa.
Is that the way it felt at the time.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Yeah, well I've said it many times. Had to deal
with me leaving the Phoenix to go to Brisbane, and
you know, Rickie holding is sort of against me a bit,
whether I deserve to go or not on the sort
of scale of or the basis of other players that
did go being semi professionals and stuff. At the time,
(31:43):
maybe I should have been in there. But at the
end of the day, that moved to Brisbane made my career.
So if I had stuck around and not played it
like what was happeningly, definitely wouldn't be here today or
probably might have wrapped up my career after those two years.
So yeah, one door closed in one hundred others open.
(32:05):
So yeah, it still hurts to be honest to this day.
But like I said, I've just worked hard and believed
myself over the years and still have the opportunity now.
So yeah, just proud and happy to be able to
have the chance to get.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
On your mate. Just a word on Chris Wood, who
was also around at that time, I think he was
about seventeen.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I think when in.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
The Bahrain game, you've been alongside him for a long
time in the national team. What have you seen from
him that has allowed him to make the most of
his football career.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
I think he's incredibly clever as a player to use
his strengths. He plays in a way that suits him,
not as a team. I'm talking about himself, and has
made a career of using his strengths, you know, And
I think that's a You've got to be a smart
player to do that. And yeah, hats off to him.
(32:54):
He keeps sort of not reinventing himself, but I think
finding ways to make himself a handful for everyone. And
I think he's just a brilliant player and a brilliant
striker that you know. I say for young players to
look at Obviously you need to be a certain build
or type of player to be able to replicate what
he does. But even just like I said, the smarts
(33:17):
to be able to do that, kids should be looking
at that and trying to replicate that.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
And just to finish, if you do negotiate fig and
then the final at Eden Park. This took quite a
long way until the World Cup next year A so
obviously games for the national team, but you still feel
as though you know there's a need to keep your
level right up here just to make sure you're on
that plane next year as well.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Yeah, yeah, everyone's playing for places. To be honest, we
need to be obviously have a better sort of last
seven games after this break or six it'll be, and
then on next year, just have a really good year
and fine form before the World Cup. There's a few
windows before that too, but I don't think anyone's sort
(34:02):
of there on merit and everyone's there on form. So
if that rings, if you need to be playing first
of all and then performing. So I'm aware of that.
I think everyone's aware of that and sort of makes
it more exciting and like I said, drives us a
bit more.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Is on all the best of the next ten days. Say,
it's funny that is Costa Barbarusa. So I spoke to
you last week, interesting comments there about twenty ten well
and truly in the mix for twenty twenty six. One
of Carrere's forwards for himself cost of barbarusis And yeah,
like I said to him during that chat, and he's
admitted this in the past, there were times when he thought,
(34:38):
you know what, this might be it for me. But
the last couple of years he's enjoyed a career in naissance.
Got a goal last night, another one for the Phoenix.
It's been a challenging season for them, but eight goals
this season for Costa barbarusis just a couple behind the
Golden Boot leaders and a big part of the squad
that's going to look to make the final push to
the World Cup next year in June and July. A
(35:01):
couple of questions about the direct entry part of it year.
It's an expanded World Cup. Forty eight teams will go
to the World Cup next year. You might have a
view on that. It's usually thirty two, or has been
for the last few forty eight now, which means that
Oceania gets direct entry for the first time in the past.
As you'll know, in terms of the intercontinental playoffs, the
(35:23):
Bahrain game are the matches against the likes of Mexico
and Peru Costa Rica. There was an intercontinental playoff that
had to be negotiated by New Zealand if they were
to make the World Cup. Not anymore, they just have
to win Oceania, so they are the big fish in
Oceania most. In fact, all of their players are professionals.
Very few of the players from the other teams Fiji,
(35:44):
New Caledonia, Tahitia full time professionals. The vast vast majority
amateur players. So logic would suggest that the All Whites
should comfortably qualify for the World Cup. They're not taking
any chances, though, They're approaching it like there would any
other game and just making sure that they get the
job done first on Friday and then again on Monday
(36:05):
night final. A couple of texts before we move on.
Pontier was watching the Crusaders play the other day. I
was thrilled to see a number thirteen who can pass
the ball and draw a player. The All Blacks need them,
Thanks Graham. That was Brandon inaw of course. Yeah, first
game back for a long time. And I too was
impressed by Braiden Innaw. I think a lot of people
thought a wee while ago he was going to be
a long time All Black. Hasn't worked out that way,
(36:27):
but yeah, let's help we see more of Braden Inawe.
And Ponier was wondering who won the Carabell Cup Newcastle
or Liverpool. Yeah, that sounds like it's coming from a
Newcastle fan. Where will they be on the power rankings though,
we'll find out in a moment. Fourteen to eight power
rankings alright, any time for party's Power rankings, rating the best,
(36:50):
the worst and the in between. Bets from up Versey
Sporting weekend the Welsh rug bed team and even ten
seems high for them plumbing new depths of mediocrity. They've
never been anywhere else.
Speaker 8 (37:06):
Ju had ever before Home four aways and the site
there about of Jones just about sun SLINKs up the
final scoring cardin England have beaten Wales by sixty eight
points to.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Fourteen are something in a seventeenth success of defeat. The
most ever buy a Tier one nation in the professional
era nine nine is Liam Lawson. A challenging weekend for
the key we at the Australian Grand Prix. Hitting the
wall with around ten laps to go in a chaotic
race in Melbourne yesterday.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Bortletto's gone into the baris ass has Liam Lawson at
turn two, bort Aletto at turn thirteen and they have
both come to a standstill.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
A d n IF in his first race as a
full time read ball driver.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Yeah, we were really struggling, to be honest, so I
had a lot of tire issues with the friends early
on in the race.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
So yeah, obviously it's just been a tough weekends.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Of the Wellington Phoenix Men snapping a four game losing
streak with a much improved showing last night against Sidney Gerald.
That's a nice turn, lovely Paul through barbarusss around the
cape scores almost inevitable, wasn't a seven France Six Nations
Rugby champions.
Speaker 9 (38:25):
Ali maoxas well half the championship, thank you very much
and France have rhythm the muja carbet to the title.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah becouse if they brought that team down here during June.
But here we are six the Black Foils back on
the podium at the Los Angeles sou GP of n
today the.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
Greatest Neighbors to the North as Canada comes to Los
Angeles and trains the top prize. The Kiwis will hold
on for second, Australia third.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
New Zealand six third overall after four regattas behind Great
Britain and Australia five into the top half. The Black
calf seam Bowl is yesterday. Korea bears figures for Kyle
Jamison in the air and the air and out game
a little bit of work, but he didn't have any
poked and that was the problem there. And for Jacob Duffy,
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it's going to be thilling straight here. Doesn't need Duffy. Well,
he's gone after that and that's that. That is the
end of the innings for the third time in New Zealand.
Pakistan all out with less than one hundred on the
board and it's een twenty. Duffy gets four for fourteen
and Pakistan all out for ninety one four four is
weeke in sport caller Angus who joined us from the
(39:39):
Melbourne Grand Prix yesterday.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Anything could happen, literally, anything could happen. We just seen liam'
skilfrind just walk past, so it could could be seeing
Liam Lawson soon actually.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
So we can say live on here. You've seen Liam
Lawson's girlfriend. I think this is good.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
Just walk past. She's got a bet of security detail
with her.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
She's gone as to panic now.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
So I'd say he's about to come past as well.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
So yeah, what sort of security detail have you employed?
Speaker 8 (40:03):
I haven't got any denote One.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
No, I just feel as you're the kind of guy
who would need to be protected from the great unwashed. No,
I don't know, hear on myself.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Three.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Three is the Crusaders and in particular their wingers having
a field day in christ Church. Sevy Reese in a.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Field in Higo.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Sievy race straight up the guts. He wants a hat trick,
He gets a hat trick and Macca Springer free up Springer.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Who wants five? He mighting a Chancellor? He well, Becca Springer.
Speaker 9 (40:34):
Five of the mess he hits is the Crusaders all
type record books.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, five tries for Maca Springer and three for Reese
and a fifty five thirty three win over the Western Force.
Two the Magpies Newcastle United their first football trophy in
fifty six years. Newcastle United have.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Won a trophy for the first time.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Since nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Fifty six years of heart and Wendley Stadium.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Here two one winners over Liverpool and the League Cup
final this morning on the wires, the Warriors bouncing back
from defeat in Vegas to beat Manly in front of
their home faithful on Friday night.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Micka Harris covena puppy.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
A six.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, Roger back and tri scoring action and the Warriors
back in the winner's circle. How do you feel about
feel about the power inkings? Well, very big of you
to put Newcastle in there at too well done, Pining.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
I commend you for that.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Thank you well. I didn't feel as though I could
leave them out. That would have looked a little bit
like the Saw Loser. The Saw Loser Power Rankings. Next
Monday six to eight, three to eight, and just like that,
Sports Talk is done, All done for Monday, March seventeen.
Thank you for tuning in, Thank to Anna McDonald for producing,
(42:03):
and enjoy a couple of days off, mate. We'll see
you on weekends. Bought this coming Saturday. With another busy
couple of days coming up. Marcus Lush is on your
radio after eight o'clock tonight, and Darcy Watergrave has Sports
Talk between seven and eight for the rest of the week.
I hope it's a good week for you. Be safe,
See you on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
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