May 19, 2025 • 42 mins
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Former All Blacks captain Buck Shelford on Ardie Savea's form - and if it warrants him being in the conversation for All Blacks captain.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Hello, Dan Clonic, good evening and a very warm welcome
into Monday night sports Talk on News Talks V May nineteen,
Happy birthday, Andrew John's. I'm Jason Pine Show producer Andy McDonald.
We're going to talk about a sport with you between
now and eight. I have got somebody on my mind tonight.
Ardie Savia is his name. It seems almost irrelevant now
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to try and find new ways of describing Ardie Savier
on the rugby field. His performance on Saturday night defied
any adjectives I can think of hercuy Lean is probably
about as close as I can get. Even that probably
doesn't do it justice. Just one of the all time
great individual performances I've seen in the four decades or
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more i've been watching top level rugby. And it's not
just what he did on Saturday Night. It's not exaggerating
the case at all to say that Artie Savier has
almost single handedly changed the fortunes of more onea pacificate
his arrival. There's been nothing short of transformational. They've gone
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from also rams to top six contenders, and he's also
claimed the Super Rugby Pacific Player of the Year title.
With two weeks still to go in the season, his
lead is now unassailable. The way this works is after
every game, the coach and the captain give out three,
two and one points for the best three players in
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the opposition. And Artie Savier got the maximum six votes
on Saturday night, which is hardly surprising, putting him beyond
the reach now of Brumby's forward Tom Hooper and Chiefs
first five Damien McKenzie with two four rounds still to play.
So they got me thinking, and I'm not the only one.
If the stuff I've read and heard over the last
couple of days as a guide, should Ardie Savier be
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given the All Blacks captaincy one of our great All
Blacks captains, Sir Buck Shelford, is standing. Might a chat
to you about this? Would chat to us about this?
And then I do want to open it up. Should
Ardie Seville have the little sa beside his name when
the All Blacks play France in just under seven weeks
from now. Let's kick this around tonight see if we
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Talk call oh eight hundred eighty. News Talk said.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So it was a performance for the Ages at Albany
on Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Waerrover it, no waer a over it.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Don't get the pedaly head who got it?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Savia Ardie severe with one of the all time great
individual rugby displays, helping Mowana pacifica to a first ever
Super Rugby went over the Blues and it's prompted the
quite natural questions about whether the absolutely inspirational leadership that
he has shown this season could be transferred up to
the next level. Should Ardie Savier be All Blacks Captain?
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Keen for your view, but let's bring in former All
Blacks captain Sir Buck Shelf of the All Blacks never
lost when you were Captain, Sir Buck, thanks for joining us.
Let's cut straight to the chase. Do you think Ardie
Savia should be in the conversation to captain the All Blacks?
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, I think he should be in the conversation. When
he actually made the orbless a few years ago, I
thought to myself that he's probably going to be the
captain of the future, and I just raised it and
write from the get go when he was a young guy,
and he's got all the characteristics of a great loose forward,
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you know, with the ball in hand defensibly everything you know,
and he okay, I'll give him this joos.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
He can kick a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I don't recall you doing a lot of a lot
of grubber kicking or kicking and chasing during your time, Buck,
I'm sure you would have given it a go at
some stage.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
I didn't kick the ball at all. I just I
didn't have time to kick them ball too busy worrying
about the rest of the game, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So speaking of captains, then he's clear he's lead Mauana
PACIFICA and look he's obviously doing a terrific job there.
When you talk about leading the All Blacks, how how
much of a step up would that be for any
player from leading their Super rugby franchise to leading the
All Blacks.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Well, I don't think on the field it as you
know you've got In the era that I've played, we
actually did have three of maybe four or five captains
from their own provinces, and they were all good captains,
you know that.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
You know you're looking at White Brower.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
With Canterbury. They were all good captains and basically they
could all done the All Black job, but notwiderstanding that
it's a different era, different game, different rules, and I
think that Artie's right on top of his game at
the moment and he's just leading my ship foremans alone.
You know, I don't think he talks to them much,
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and he lets them get on with their game and
he just plays the game and they support him. Well,
you know, some of those players around him are really reinforced.
There opportunities to make the someone inside as well, and
even the orblex and I think that, you know, we're
going to look at him. He's a great leader, and
he leads by performance first and foremost. And even you
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look at the people who are watching the games on Saturdays,
they say, wow, that guy could play. You know, you
don't hear too many people talking in the pubs about
it about the game of rugby, but when you to
hear the ones that know rugby, and well, he is fantastic,
that kid. Yeah, so I think you'd be a great
captain for the or Blacks.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Have you seen examples of a player who's been given
the captain C and that captain c sits heavily on
their shoulders, not necessarily what happens on the field back,
but you know that everything that goes with it, the
outside responsibility. Well, I guess what I'm asking is there
is there a case to just let Ardie Savier lead
within the team without wearing the armband.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Well, it doesn't really bother me, you know, if you're
going to be the leader, take the leadership. You give
him leadership. And I think he's a good leader. You know,
I've only talked to the man once, and but you know,
of what I've seen of the way he plays, I
say he'll be talking since anyway. I think that performance
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alone fantastic. But I think that he can be a
very very very good vocal because he knows the game
really really well. You know, he plays it well and
he knows it well. And I think that, you know,
you can do both jobs quite easily. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Do you think the captain c enhanced you as a
rugby player?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Well, I didn't kept in many teams until I was
in my ID have to say, into my mid twenties.
I very captain in very few teams, and then all
of a sudden I got asked to take captain the
New Zealand Combined Services and then my club team, and
it just went on from there. So I went from
you know, a club team to Combined Services and North Arbor.
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You know, just we went from there, went to Auckland.
I never kept at Auckland, but they made the All
Blacks from North Harbor and then the core come from Grisweliy.
But all the other teams, all the other teams that
I've played for over that period of time, combined services,
all that sort of stuff, I kept it. Yeah, the
background I had was military, which was quite disciplined and
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about doing things right and you know, getting it right
and all those sorts of things that sticked to the
game plan and until we had to change it if
we were under pressure. But there's the last three or
four or four years of my career from eighty seven
to ninety when I got subsequently dropped out of the team.
I actually I believe the leadership that I had done
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through the Navy for the five or six years eleven
years that I was in the Navy held me in
good state, because it's all about leadership in the military,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And that era of New Zealand rugby is still so
fondly remembered fromasically from the eighty seven World Cup through
until nineteen ninety, you know, a couple of unbeaten years
pretty much under your leadership. So you never felt encumbered
by the captaincy of the national side.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Well, no, not at all. I just believe that, you know,
I could do the job and so I just got
on with it. But I wasn't scared of asking the players,
what do you think, what are we going to do now?
What shall we do now? You know? And we would
share the responsibility because you know, I'm not the only
one that could captain our team. There's other guys that
could captain teams as well. So it was just getting
the support from the other captains and the team who've
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kept it at various levels and you know, get the
guarant you know, get some consensus, and then go with
it just straight away.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, So Raiser chose Scott Barrett has this captain last year.
Can you see a set of circumstances where he makes
a change this year?
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Well, you know that's up to Raiser, But I think
you need a captain that's right up the front, right
out the front, performing getting things right. So he doesn't
make many mistakes, does he?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
No?
Speaker 5 (10:14):
No, And so but with that he basically galvanizes the
rest of the team as well. And when you galvanize
the team just by performance, you don't have to say
a lot, you know. And that's one of the things
that I found that when you galvanize the team into
doing things really well, you don't have to talk much
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and because you know our team, and then in the eighties,
eighty seven, eighty eight, eighty nine, we just went out
there and done everything exactly how we wanted to do it,
and there was no team in the world could stand
with us really during that time. And basically it wasn't
until nineteen ninety that we lost. I think it was
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lest loss. So you know, at the end of the day,
it was a galvanized team under the tenures through the
eighty seven, right through the night I got drunk. Yeah,
how are you Golvin?
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
How important? But do you reckon it is that the
All Blacks captain is popular with the rugby public because
you were still are still bring back buck signs around,
you know, I mean Ardie Savia would be a popular
choice amongst the vast majority of the rugby public as
All Blacks captain. Is that an important factor to consider
as well?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I think so because his face is out there, you know, everywhere,
and everyone knows him, Scott Barrett. They know Scott Barrett
because he's got two other brothers in the team as well. Well,
had two other brothers at the moment, and they might
not make the CS team, you know, but I'd have
to say the three of them will make it. But
I actually think that you know, Scott has had his injuries.
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You know, he started late in the season and you know,
I don't think he's back to form yet. He's had
a few runs three games now, yep, yep, and I
don't think he's inform at the moment. So I think
he needs a few more games before he actually you
can decide on whether he wants to be he gets
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the captaincy or not. I don't know. At the end
of the day, it's not out, it's not my decision,
and something is the decision is going to be made
by the coach or basically you could actually termin and
do what they've done for some of the other game
is double captains, dual captains and but at the end
of the day, Artie will just still be doing his thing,
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and which is galvanizing a team to play better and
better all the time. And so if you can do
it with a team with the talent of the or Blacks,
the chances are you're never going to lose.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
So if you were coach, Artie would be captain.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
If I was the coach, Artie would have been my
captain now two three years ago.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
So back. Always loved chatting rugby with you. Thanks for
taking the time, Thank.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
You very much.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Enjoyed your commentary on the soccer too.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Thank you, Buck. We'll get up again soon. A cat bye,
thank you, bye bye. That's Sawayne Shelford, Buck Shelford, one
of our great leaders. Your chance to react now, pretty
simple Monday night question for you, and you can take
it anyway you like, really, but it's a simple yes no.
But then let's get some context. Should Artie Savier be
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the All Blacks captain? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is our phone number? Linees open immediately nine two
ninety two for text messages. What has become very obvious
is how much more one a pacifica means to Artie Savia.
Playing for them and leading them has almost, it seems
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to me, transcended rugby for him. It's given him a
purpose which has driven him to even greater heights than
the ones. We've become very very used to have listened
to Ardie Savier speaking after the game on Saturday.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
I don't know if you guys have been in that
position when you wholeheartedly believe in something you give it
you all. That's me right now being with this team
with Tea, alongside Tea, the brothers that you could say
have come from nothing, and they're certainly shown people if
they are something. So for me, it's more than a game.
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And when it's more than a game to me, I
run through brick walls with him. So every week that's
my mindset with this team.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
It's more than a game. There's a greater purpose here
for Ardie Savia and Morana Pacifica. Does Ardie Savill feel
Artie Savier feel the same way about the All Blacks.
I don't know whether he possibly can not in the
same way. I mean, don't get me wrong, Addie Savia
cares very very deeply about the All Blacks. It's obvious
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from how he plays for them and conducts himself around
that group. But I have never heard Addie Savia talk
about the All Blacks like he talks or talked about
Mojana Pacifica on Saturday Night. I mean, that doesn't mean
he shouldn't be All Blacks Captain or that he wouldn't
do a superb job, but there's clearly something about wearing
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that Mowana pacifica jersey that has elevated an already stupendous
player into the stratosphere, an area that very few, if
any others can ever possibly reach. On eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty ninety two, ninety two, if you would
like to send a text, cause the starting to come in.
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Let's get some opinion on this. Ian kick us off.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Good evening, Jason, how are you my friend?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Very good? Thanks Ian, very good, Thank you, Pey.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
It's seeing from the Naki. Now listen, made that guy.
It's got to be the All Black captain because I
watched that game and he's just listed every man in
that team. They play for ard they go for the game,
they get him there, they're backing them all the way.
I've never seen a rugby player play like him. And
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as to Scott Barrett, he's put him out of it.
Now he's had his share. He can go I'm a
taranake bog, but that's the way it should go. Let
Ardie take over, mate.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, And just on Scott Bard, I think Scott Barrett
still makes the All Blacks, even if they decide to
change the captain. I think I don't think there's much
doubt that Scott Barrett is still one of the top
locks in the country, is there not really?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I mean, he's okay, but you know he's made a
few slip ups. But the thing is, I'm a local
Taranake boy. I like the Taranicki team when they're playing rugby.
But the thing is, Ardie, what I saw and what
Stahn said theay night Jason was it was fantastic, mate.
That guy can play rugby. He knows he's Oh look,
he's just super to me.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
He's a superhero, mate, a superhero indeed. And as are
you for calling in tonight and getting us underway. Thanks
so much mate. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
seven twenty four. Mark Helope, n I.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Don't think you should be keptain. I don't think it'll
be taking off Scott barredy that piney. I think you
probably know.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
That actually land on a good point because because I
think you're right, Mark, I don't think Razor will make
a change. I think it would be it would be
going against the grain, I think to make a change.
He was all in on Scott Barrett last year. He
had the opportunity if he wanted to to make Artie
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captain last year instead he made him co captain. So yeah,
I think you're right, But I think we can still
have the conversation about whether it would be a good
idea or not.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
Yeah, I mean I think the conversation. I think Justin
Marshall brought it up, but he should probably be the
number seven. To me, I don't actually care whether he
plays at six, seven or eight. I just like the
freedom and I think the difference between maybe even last
year and this year watching him played for Milwana is
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the freedom he's got and to be able to kick
the ball as a completely different dynamic to the game.
I think we had trying to remember was that Cody
Taylor put a kicked through this year or something. But
if if you've got Fords like Addie Savier who can
chipkick and even tactically kick, it really does give you
a different game plan in to me, and I think
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if Ardie's given the freedom to be ARTI I think
that's the thing that would actually make quite a big
difference to the Orblacks. And I mean I think his improvement,
you know, the manor he's brought to Milano's obviously something.
But I think he's actually playing than he did for
the Hurricanes, which is sad to say, But don't you
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think he's playing better than he was last year for
the Hurricanes.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Look, it wasn't there last year, in the year before
because he was in Japan last year. Yeah no, but
the last time I knew what you mean, Mark, Sorry,
I might have just I couldn't help but be a
little bit of a corrective of it. No, I know
what you mean. Look, I you know, Artie's got such
a high bar right that I don't think he ever,
you know, plays badly. But I think what we've seen
from him this year from Winer Pacificer, it's it's as
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good as I've seen from him an already incredible player.
So I think the answer is probably yes, I think
he is playing better this year than he did in
his final year at the Hurricanes. But he was still
pretty good in that year. He's just amazing this year.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So what where we do put him?
Six or seven?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Were such a good question. Yeah, I mean he's played
seven the last three games for Winer Pacificer. He has
also played at at eight across the season. But I think,
like you, Mark, I don't think it actually matters what
numbers on his back. It's really I guess what you're
after in your mix. I think Wallace to Tt clearly
has to be part of it. So you say he's okay.
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If you've got Wallace to Tt and Artie Savilla and
you've got to choose one more person, what's the mix
of you loose forwards? I mean, I really like the
idea of Duplessy Kadifi getting a go, But I don't
think a loose forward trio of Satiti, Kardifi and Savilla
is necessarily the right mix. I don't know if that's right.
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It just maybe lacks somebody a really big bopper.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Do you think Kerensi's out of favor with the All
Black because I mean, he's been an amazing form this year.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
And going back.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I think I think he'll be in the All Blacks
this year. I just think his I think his forms
are resistible. Mark. I just don't see how they can
leave him out, you know, and with with you know,
Sam Caine leaving, there is a vacancy in the loose forwards.
Ethan Black Aatt has sort of been in and out
of the Crusader's side. I think look, Jacobson's been good.
I don't we all know that he's going to be there.
We all know that Wallace a Titi is going to
be there. I think I think dupless Cordifi, on the
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strength of his super rugby form, absolutely deserves to be
in the All Black squad when it's named to play France.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Yeah, the more Hurricanes, the better, apint.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I know that's not what I was. That's not but
I know what you but but I like the way
you're thinking, mate. I like the way you're thinking is
always always good to Yet thanks mate. Oh eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty, John says Artie Hell. Yes,
Scott Barrett not necessarily the number one lock. He's not
an automatic selection like Artie, not the first person you select.
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That's another interesting one. I think with captains they always
have to be a player who is beyond question when
it comes to their place and the team. And it's
when you know a captain's play starts to be questioned
that you get into some really weird areas around this
sort of thing. And Tim Southy was a really good
example of this when he was Test captain. Remember when
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they went away to the Subcontinent and he was Test
captain and it was pretty obvious that he that he
wasn't among the best eleven for that particular tour because
over there you pick a couple of sceners rather than
the three or four you have back here, and so
once you place in the side starts to get question
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then by you know, this logic just says that your
captaincy is also going to be questioned. So yeah, Artie
Savier absolutely in the in the you know, one of
the first names you write down. I still think Scott
Barrett is too. He had a quieter start to the season,
but he came became good oddly enough against the Hurricanes.
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But but I think he's definitely still, you know, one
of our top two lockforwards. So I think his place
in the side is pretty secure as well. As Mark
was just saying, I don't think Raser is going to
make a change. I think it would be a major
surprise if he didn't stick with Scott Barrett this year.
But Artie Savia is just presenting this irresistible case, so
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I think the conversation is absolutely worth having. Hello, Ross, yep.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Hi, there look this one condition I'd have Adie on
is that if he pleased like that is the All
Black captain. I think it's a no brainer. He's right
in there his position. Where would you put him? But
the other thing is we haven't had a follow me
type captain since Richie. We've had a lot of people
that have been captain, but we've never had to follow
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me captain. And I think if he is, he is
given the job as the captain, and with that attitude,
it'll lift the All Blacks. And they've been lacking for
the last two or three years. And I think at
some stage someone's got to read the Ride Act to
the selectors and say, listen, you've tried what you've done,
it hasn't worked for the last few years. If you
want to go into the World Cup. And whether Ardie's
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still there at the World Cup, I'm not sure. But
he's a follow me type guy and people rarely around
follow me guys.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
So you don't think Karen Reid or Sam Kin will
necessarily follow me captains.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
No, I don't think they're not like Artie. No, not
like Ardie. Not that's all.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
No. No, look I wasn't. I wasn't suggesting that you're
wrong Ross, not at all. I know that. You know,
everybody who captains the All Black has a different style.
I know Karen Reid, I've read his book and he
said when he came in, you know, it was incredibly
daunting being the captain to follow Richie mccare, you know,
because he was just, you know, one of, if not
the greatest ever to do the job, and so you
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lead in a slightly different fashion. You're right about Artie, though.
I kind of feel like if I was an Ardie
Savier's team, I would be absolutely desperate not to let
the man down. You know, you see what he does,
and you think, I'm not going to let that guy down.
If he's going to throw his body around like that,
then I am as well.
Speaker 8 (24:39):
You imagine the sort of talk he would give to
the team if they were twelve to fifteen points behind
at halftime. He would be ripping the wallpaper off the
wharves and he would be saying, this is what we've
got to do. We're going to do it, and I'll
show you how. I don't think the other captains have
got that ability.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yep. It's a good point, ross a very good point.
And you know there are lots of different types of
captains and you're right, follow me, captain very effective. Artie
will be here for the next World Cup. He signed
through to the end of twenty twenty seven, still has
another sabbatical which you can only assume he'll take next year.
So that's another interesting little layer to this is that
Artie Savier won't be at Mawana Pacifica in twenty twenty six.
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He will at the start of twenty twenty seven heading
into the next World Cup. Because the other thing he's
going to do is turn a lot of heads of
players who are thinking about a new home, and one
in particular. And we spoke to Ken Laban about this
on the show a month or so ago. I'm not
sure what the topic was, but I was. I think
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we were talking about Richie m Wonga coming home, so
it was about that, and he said, look, his mail
is that Richie Wonga will go to Mawana Pacifica if
Artie Savia is there. And who wouldn't want to go
and play for a team like that, especially now that
they've you know, they've discovered this ability to win matches
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largely I think driven by Artie Savie and his standards.
That's another thing A captain, Does they lift the others
around them just by force of will more than anything,
and by by providing, as we've just heard, a follow
me type approach. Twenty seven away from eight. We'll take
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some more calls in a moment. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty one spe a line if you want
to jump on nine two, nine and two one text
messages back in a second. On Monday Night Sports Talk,
should Artie Savier be the your Blacks captain?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Forget the ref's call, you make the call on eight
eighty eighty Sports Talk on your home of sports Whose
talks Be's.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Talk twenty four away from eight talking Arli Savier what
position he should play? That's become a bit of a
talking point as well, and whether he should captain this side.
A couple of texts here playing for the Hurricanes and
the All Blacks is a job for Artie. Playing for
Mowana is love. It's a very good point, and the
same text to says playing for Mojana means more to him.
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It's a different passion of here and culture that a
lot of people will not understand. Yes, yes, yes, Artie
for captain says this one and from billet's easier to shine,
says Bill. When you play open side flanka as opposed
to six or eight, not only are you closer to
the action, but you're also allowed to hang off the
ruts and defense and get your breath back, which means
you'll do more at the next breakdown. This comes from
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senior experience and all three loose forward positions. Thank you, Bill,
appreciate your insight. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty twenty
three to eight.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Allen, Hello, Party, I would but Ardie sat seven, he'll
if if he will, Pip Dolphin, Poper Early who's been
easily upset, Burry mess Party sor Economy wrote a month
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or so ago, and he two pay, shifting him out
of lock to six. We need we need a tall
line out.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, I remember, I remember speaking to Murray about that
very thing Allen on the show. I would have been
back into last year, and he was. He was really
big on this that that our number six, our blindside
flanker needs to be a big, big body who is
a line out option and also is just a physical
presence around the place. To Murray, I think it was
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it was just for him, almost a personal crusade that
he wanted someone like that in the All Blacks number
six Jersey.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Okay, another question.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
None.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
I haven't watched much pretty Piney, but they're talking about
the big Highland.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Fabian Yeah, Fabian Holland. Yes, yet they got big wraps
on him. His it's his eligibility. He will become eligible.
I think it might be this year. He went on
the end of season two last year, as I think
it was in The Blacks fifteen. He it's certainly an
eligibility thing. He's got to have lived here for three years.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
He's from Yeah, there was an really unfortunate century, really
was that was?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeh, but he'll be back. He'll be back, Sam darry Back,
Fabian Holland.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
You're right as well, yep op.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Just last year around yep, I think where we got
your point yep artist to seven. I don't think you'll
get much an argument. But again, would it really matter
what number he was wearing on his back? I know
you've got different responsibilities. I seven and eight seemed to
me to be very interchangeable. I don't think you, you know,
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would know if you didn't you know, if they went
out there without numbers on you wouldn't know what position
Artie was playing by the way he plays, would you.
I mean, you might think for a while he was
a winger or a midfield back, doing his little kick
and chase grubbers and things like that. Tana Umanga, of course,
has had a big influence on Ardie Savier at Mawana Pacifica.
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I think Tanna played a big role in even getting
Ardi there. He was asked on Saturday night Tana after
the game whether he has seen a better performance from
an individual player and whether he's just come to expect
this now from his captain Artie Savier, as.
Speaker 9 (30:33):
This astounds me sometimes I don't know if anyone can
get any better, but he keeps doing it, and I
think it's just amazing what he puts himself through, how
he prepares, and also how much it means to him.
I think that's the kind of thing we talked about,
is how much does it mean to us? You know,
we can as ard he talked about, we can talk
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about it, but what are you going to do about it?
Speaker 7 (30:59):
You know?
Speaker 9 (30:59):
And he really impressed upon them about it's the doing
part there means something, and it's a doing part that
we can all be judged on it, you know, and
and so again our leaders are led by ARTI did
that all. We have done it for the last well,
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you know, since the season started. Now our players are
starting to understand, oh that's what's required. Oh that's what's
required every day. Not just turn up and it's going
to happen. It's we've got to be very particular about
what we do. And that's and that's something that's going
to grow them as well. As Ardia has spoken about
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where our players have come from, you know, this is
the opportunity for them for a lifetime really, you know, change,
life changing. So to learn the skills of someone that's
playing the best rugby that anyone's seen and see, oh
how does he do that? It's not just luck, you know,
that's the best way for our boys to learn. We
can tell them to the cows come home, but if
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they see it every day and see what he does,
and it's not just him, it's as leaders that he
empowers to lead as well. And that's how a boy's
gonna keep growing.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
That is a ton of umager speaking about Ardie Saville.
So will Mana Pacifica make the top six? I think
I think most of us would love to see it,
as long as it wasn't at the expense of our team.
And I look at my Hurricanes and I think, well,
if my Wanda Pacifica make it, then the Hurricanes might not.
So Wina Pacificat are currently in sixth place on the table.
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See nobody saw that coming for starters, did they? Twenty
eight points Winna Pacifica. The Blues are also on twenty
eight points. However, they've played one more game and only
have one game left. The Blues' final game I've got
to buy this week and then over King's Birthday weekend
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they will play the Warritars at Eden Park. That is
their final game. So you think to yourself, the Blues
should win that game. So let's give them the four
points so they get to thirty two, potentially thirty three
if they get the bonus point. But let's get them
to thirty two for the meantime. So Miana Pacificer have
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to get to thirty two as well or higher. They've
got two games left. They're tough Chiefs away Hurricanes away
Chiefs have been terrific, haven't they really really good? So
it would be difficult, I think, to predict that Mawana
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Pacifica would go to Hamilton and win that game. The
Chiefs are the only New Zealand side Mawana Pacificer haven't
beaten this year. They've beaten all the others. They've played
the Chiefs in Round four or five they lost fifty
to thirty five. But they've beaten all the others. They've
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beaten the Crusaders, they've beaten the Hurricanes, they've beaten the Blues,
they've beaten the Highlanders. They haven't beaten the Chiefs. So
let's say they don't win that game, then it'll come
down to that final game, won't it, which is also
on Saturday, May thirty one, King's Birthday Saturday. So back
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to back games in that final weekend may well decide
who goes into the top six, because you'd have to think, well,
the Brumbies, Chiefs and Crusaders are there. The Reds probably
are too. They're on thirty two points with a couple
of games to play. They've got the Hurricanes and the Drewer.
They'll beat them. I mean they should beat the Drewer
in Brisbane. Fiji and drew don't seem capable of winning
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anything outside of their own country unfortunately, so I think
the Reds will probably be okay. So Hurricanes more on
the PACIFICA Blues. Those three, two of them will go through.
I hope I want a Pacificer make it, but the
Hurricanes fan in me hopes that it's not at our expense.
But it could well come down to that game, couldn't it.
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It could well come down to that game. Just before
we take a break and look at Piney's power rankings
for the weekend text here at simple Razor. If Artie's captain,
all of the country will be behind the team. Artie
is the closest New Zealand have to see a Calisi figure.
It's a very good analogy, a very very good analogy.
(35:38):
See Calisi has completely united South African rugby fans behind
the spring box and obviously internally also had a massive
impact on the way that team plays and how often
that team wins. It's a very very good analogy underway
in the A and Z Premiership as well. Will keep
(35:58):
eyes on that for you for the next fifteen minutes
or so. As the Magic look to make Hamilton a
happy hunting ground for them. They're up against the Steel.
Both teams losers in round one underway in round two.
Will keep eyes on that for you. When we come back, though,
it'll be Piney's Power Rankings for the weekend.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Power Rankings.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Okay, let's do this Monday night time. For Piney's Power Rankings.
Every Monday night, we rate the best, the worst, and
the in between. Bits from the sporting weekend. Let's go.
Scary moments in Indy five hundred qualifying for two of
our kiwi's Marcus Armstrong. A huge crash for Marcus Armstrong.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
It is not what you want to see on the
morning of qualifying.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
And Scotti McLaughlin, Oh, Scott McLachlan in the wall, big
big accident down after turn two. Fortunately, both are okay
and should be good to line up at the Indianapolis
five hundred next week. Nine turns in the Pack four
series against Canada, it.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Is a draw, and in many ways that is a
fear reflection of what has.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Been a truly absorbing contest.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, good game of rug but always a bit hard
to know though how to feel after a drawer sheet
makes the Brumbies sneakily jumping over everybody else.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
And the Brumbies go top of the table with two
rounds remaining.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
How did that happen? They did that fairly stealthily, didn't they?
Seven Goodison Park, home of Everton Football Club since eighteen
ninety two, are.
Speaker 10 (37:45):
The players that have done their part in making the occasion.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Enjoy and give on the final day.
Speaker 9 (37:53):
His two goals, the last two goals and Goodison Park
in the Premier League.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
In Man senior football, the emotional stuff as Everton head
off to a flash new stadium next season, leaving one
hundred thirty three years of memories behind. Six Scottish Scheffler
untroubled at this year's second golf Major.
Speaker 10 (38:15):
Scottish Shuffler when's in a runaway in the showdown at Charlott.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Our runaway is right. He is in a class of
his own right now. Five into the top half where
we find crystal palace glory at Wembley for the Super Eagles.
Speaker 10 (38:30):
The whistle does just the palace of just what the
fl cock where I think you were rave and blue.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
This is the moment you've been.
Speaker 10 (38:39):
Waiting one pun truth and twenty years four.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
It's an awfully long time to wait for a trophy,
so you can forgive the excitement when it finally arrived
four as Mark no wangernitawas with one of the more
incredible NRL tries you will ever see. Kiss of the
temp little chipkick.
Speaker 10 (39:01):
Den allays kind of down the corner.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Did he stay in the Hawaii? This is an extraordinary try,
absolutely astonishing try of the year. Already surely staying in
the NRL. The Warriors another win, another tight one verified
any warrants second twenty and here they are make it
(39:25):
five tricks. Sound the alarm. The Warriors are streaking to
Auckland's FC, taking a big, big stride towards the A
League Men's Grand Final advantage. Auckland f C.
Speaker 10 (39:41):
Logan Rogerson is their man of the hour. FC create
another first A Finals win at the first time of asking.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Did anyone really really believe this was possible? When Auckland
f C played their first day league game exactly seven
months ago. Today, on top of the pile, Ardie Savia
with one of the most extraordinary individual performances in Super
rugby history, leaving us searching for new ways to describe
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this incredible rugby player. The waer a rover it don't
get the penalty head?
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Who got it? Hey?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Savia? Those are the Power rankings for tonight. Any feedback?
Speaker 11 (40:32):
I see you're smart because you know you can't put
Auckland FC top twice in a row, so you're saving
it for next week when they win a No four
nothing at Comedia mount smart.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I don't think there's any rules about back to back
number one? Oh why are they number one?
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Then?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Piney, come on, so you're so you're telling that appearance
in a final You've done it wrong. I don't know
what the rules are. Well, do you have Auckland FC
ahead of Arli Savia? I don't like.
Speaker 11 (40:59):
It's hard to say no to Ardie sava Via right now,
but yeah, I go Aorgland He's see number one?
Speaker 5 (41:04):
All right?
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Well maybe they will be week. I think you're right.
Perhaps if they managed to make their way past Melbourne
victory on Saturday night and find themselves in the Grand Final,
they may well be number one. I guess you'll have
to tune in to find out.
Speaker 11 (41:17):
I produce the show, Piney. I'll be tuning in by default.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I'm not sure that you always do.
Speaker 11 (41:24):
No comment.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Those are Piney's Power rankings for tonight. We love bringing
them to you. All feedback welcome they return next Monday
evening here on Sports Talk on News Talk SED coming
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We're going to talk about a sport with you between
now and eight. I have got somebody on my mind tonight.
Ardie Savia is his name. It seems almost irrelevant now
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to try and find new ways of describing Ardie Savier
on the rugby field. His performance on Saturday night defied
any adjectives I can think of hercuy Lean is probably
about as close as I can get. Even that probably
doesn't do it justice. Just one of the all time
great individual performances I've seen in the four decades or
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more i've been watching top level rugby. And it's not
just what he did on Saturday Night. It's not exaggerating
the case at all to say that Artie Savier has
almost single handedly changed the fortunes of more onea pacificate
his arrival. There's been nothing short of transformational. They've gone
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from also rams to top six contenders, and he's also
claimed the Super Rugby Pacific Player of the Year title.
With two weeks still to go in the season, his
lead is now unassailable. The way this works is after
every game, the coach and the captain give out three,
two and one points for the best three players in
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the opposition. And Artie Savier got the maximum six votes
on Saturday night, which is hardly surprising, putting him beyond
the reach now of Brumby's forward Tom Hooper and Chiefs
first five Damien McKenzie with two four rounds still to play.
So they got me thinking, and I'm not the only one.
If the stuff I've read and heard over the last
couple of days as a guide, should Ardie Savier be
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given the All Blacks captaincy one of our great All
Blacks captains, Sir Buck Shelford, is standing. Might a chat
to you about this? Would chat to us about this?
And then I do want to open it up. Should
Ardie Seville have the little sa beside his name when
the All Blacks play France in just under seven weeks
from now. Let's kick this around tonight see if we
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can get some sort of consensus on it or at
least a bit of productive discussion and Monday nights we
also do Piney's Power Rankings, rating the best, the worst
and the in between. Bits from the sporting weekend and
some live sports tonight while we're on the air. Round
two at Netple's A and Z Premiership wraps up tonight
in Hamilton, the Magic and the Steel both looking for
their first win of the season. Center bas seven thirty
(03:01):
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Speaker 1 (03:20):
Need for be dmo, We've got the breakdown on sports
Talk call oh eight hundred eighty. News Talk said.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So it was a performance for the Ages at Albany
on Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Waerrover it, no waer a over it.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Don't get the pedaly head who got it?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Savia Ardie severe with one of the all time great
individual rugby displays, helping Mowana pacifica to a first ever
Super Rugby went over the Blues and it's prompted the
quite natural questions about whether the absolutely inspirational leadership that
he has shown this season could be transferred up to
the next level. Should Ardie Savier be All Blacks Captain?
(04:05):
Keen for your view, but let's bring in former All
Blacks captain Sir Buck Shelf of the All Blacks never
lost when you were Captain, Sir Buck, thanks for joining us.
Let's cut straight to the chase. Do you think Ardie
Savia should be in the conversation to captain the All Blacks?
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, I think he should be in the conversation. When
he actually made the orbless a few years ago, I
thought to myself that he's probably going to be the
captain of the future, and I just raised it and
write from the get go when he was a young guy,
and he's got all the characteristics of a great loose forward,
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you know, with the ball in hand defensibly everything you know,
and he okay, I'll give him this joos.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
He can kick a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I don't recall you doing a lot of a lot
of grubber kicking or kicking and chasing during your time, Buck,
I'm sure you would have given it a go at
some stage.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
I didn't kick the ball at all. I just I
didn't have time to kick them ball too busy worrying
about the rest of the game, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So speaking of captains, then he's clear he's lead Mauana
PACIFICA and look he's obviously doing a terrific job there.
When you talk about leading the All Blacks, how how
much of a step up would that be for any
player from leading their Super rugby franchise to leading the
All Blacks.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Well, I don't think on the field it as you
know you've got In the era that I've played, we
actually did have three of maybe four or five captains
from their own provinces, and they were all good captains,
you know that.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
You know you're looking at White Brower.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
With Canterbury. They were all good captains and basically they
could all done the All Black job, but notwiderstanding that
it's a different era, different game, different rules, and I
think that Artie's right on top of his game at
the moment and he's just leading my ship foremans alone.
You know, I don't think he talks to them much,
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and he lets them get on with their game and
he just plays the game and they support him. Well,
you know, some of those players around him are really reinforced.
There opportunities to make the someone inside as well, and
even the orblex and I think that, you know, we're
going to look at him. He's a great leader, and
he leads by performance first and foremost. And even you
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look at the people who are watching the games on Saturdays,
they say, wow, that guy could play. You know, you
don't hear too many people talking in the pubs about
it about the game of rugby, but when you to
hear the ones that know rugby, and well, he is fantastic,
that kid. Yeah, so I think you'd be a great
captain for the or Blacks.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Have you seen examples of a player who's been given
the captain C and that captain c sits heavily on
their shoulders, not necessarily what happens on the field back,
but you know that everything that goes with it, the
outside responsibility. Well, I guess what I'm asking is there
is there a case to just let Ardie Savier lead
within the team without wearing the armband.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Well, it doesn't really bother me, you know, if you're
going to be the leader, take the leadership. You give
him leadership. And I think he's a good leader. You know,
I've only talked to the man once, and but you know,
of what I've seen of the way he plays, I
say he'll be talking since anyway. I think that performance
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alone fantastic. But I think that he can be a
very very very good vocal because he knows the game
really really well. You know, he plays it well and
he knows it well. And I think that, you know,
you can do both jobs quite easily. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Do you think the captain c enhanced you as a
rugby player?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Well, I didn't kept in many teams until I was
in my ID have to say, into my mid twenties.
I very captain in very few teams, and then all
of a sudden I got asked to take captain the
New Zealand Combined Services and then my club team, and
it just went on from there. So I went from
you know, a club team to Combined Services and North Arbor.
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You know, just we went from there, went to Auckland.
I never kept at Auckland, but they made the All
Blacks from North Harbor and then the core come from Grisweliy.
But all the other teams, all the other teams that
I've played for over that period of time, combined services,
all that sort of stuff, I kept it. Yeah, the
background I had was military, which was quite disciplined and
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about doing things right and you know, getting it right
and all those sorts of things that sticked to the
game plan and until we had to change it if
we were under pressure. But there's the last three or
four or four years of my career from eighty seven
to ninety when I got subsequently dropped out of the team.
I actually I believe the leadership that I had done
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through the Navy for the five or six years eleven
years that I was in the Navy held me in
good state, because it's all about leadership in the military,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And that era of New Zealand rugby is still so
fondly remembered fromasically from the eighty seven World Cup through
until nineteen ninety, you know, a couple of unbeaten years
pretty much under your leadership. So you never felt encumbered
by the captaincy of the national side.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Well, no, not at all. I just believe that, you know,
I could do the job and so I just got
on with it. But I wasn't scared of asking the players,
what do you think, what are we going to do now?
What shall we do now? You know? And we would
share the responsibility because you know, I'm not the only
one that could captain our team. There's other guys that
could captain teams as well. So it was just getting
the support from the other captains and the team who've
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kept it at various levels and you know, get the
guarant you know, get some consensus, and then go with
it just straight away.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, So Raiser chose Scott Barrett has this captain last year.
Can you see a set of circumstances where he makes
a change this year?
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Well, you know that's up to Raiser, But I think
you need a captain that's right up the front, right
out the front, performing getting things right. So he doesn't
make many mistakes, does he?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
No?
Speaker 5 (10:14):
No, And so but with that he basically galvanizes the
rest of the team as well. And when you galvanize
the team just by performance, you don't have to say
a lot, you know. And that's one of the things
that I found that when you galvanize the team into
doing things really well, you don't have to talk much
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and because you know our team, and then in the eighties,
eighty seven, eighty eight, eighty nine, we just went out
there and done everything exactly how we wanted to do it,
and there was no team in the world could stand
with us really during that time. And basically it wasn't
until nineteen ninety that we lost. I think it was
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lest loss. So you know, at the end of the day,
it was a galvanized team under the tenures through the
eighty seven, right through the night I got drunk. Yeah,
how are you Golvin?
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
How important? But do you reckon it is that the
All Blacks captain is popular with the rugby public because
you were still are still bring back buck signs around,
you know, I mean Ardie Savia would be a popular
choice amongst the vast majority of the rugby public as
All Blacks captain. Is that an important factor to consider
as well?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I think so because his face is out there, you know, everywhere,
and everyone knows him, Scott Barrett. They know Scott Barrett
because he's got two other brothers in the team as well. Well,
had two other brothers at the moment, and they might
not make the CS team, you know, but I'd have
to say the three of them will make it. But
I actually think that you know, Scott has had his injuries.
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You know, he started late in the season and you know,
I don't think he's back to form yet. He's had
a few runs three games now, yep, yep, and I
don't think he's inform at the moment. So I think
he needs a few more games before he actually you
can decide on whether he wants to be he gets
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the captaincy or not. I don't know. At the end
of the day, it's not out, it's not my decision,
and something is the decision is going to be made
by the coach or basically you could actually termin and
do what they've done for some of the other game
is double captains, dual captains and but at the end
of the day, Artie will just still be doing his thing,
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and which is galvanizing a team to play better and
better all the time. And so if you can do
it with a team with the talent of the or Blacks,
the chances are you're never going to lose.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
So if you were coach, Artie would be captain.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
If I was the coach, Artie would have been my
captain now two three years ago.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
So back. Always loved chatting rugby with you. Thanks for
taking the time, Thank.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
You very much.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Enjoyed your commentary on the soccer too.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Thank you, Buck. We'll get up again soon. A cat bye,
thank you, bye bye. That's Sawayne Shelford, Buck Shelford, one
of our great leaders. Your chance to react now, pretty
simple Monday night question for you, and you can take
it anyway you like, really, but it's a simple yes no.
But then let's get some context. Should Artie Savier be
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the All Blacks captain? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is our phone number? Linees open immediately nine two
ninety two for text messages. What has become very obvious
is how much more one a pacifica means to Artie Savia.
Playing for them and leading them has almost, it seems
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to me, transcended rugby for him. It's given him a
purpose which has driven him to even greater heights than
the ones. We've become very very used to have listened
to Ardie Savier speaking after the game on Saturday.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
I don't know if you guys have been in that
position when you wholeheartedly believe in something you give it
you all. That's me right now being with this team
with Tea, alongside Tea, the brothers that you could say
have come from nothing, and they're certainly shown people if
they are something. So for me, it's more than a game.
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And when it's more than a game to me, I
run through brick walls with him. So every week that's
my mindset with this team.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
It's more than a game. There's a greater purpose here
for Ardie Savia and Morana Pacifica. Does Ardie Savill feel
Artie Savier feel the same way about the All Blacks.
I don't know whether he possibly can not in the
same way. I mean, don't get me wrong, Addie Savia
cares very very deeply about the All Blacks. It's obvious
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from how he plays for them and conducts himself around
that group. But I have never heard Addie Savia talk
about the All Blacks like he talks or talked about
Mojana Pacifica on Saturday Night. I mean, that doesn't mean
he shouldn't be All Blacks Captain or that he wouldn't
do a superb job, but there's clearly something about wearing
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that Mowana pacifica jersey that has elevated an already stupendous
player into the stratosphere, an area that very few, if
any others can ever possibly reach. On eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty ninety two, ninety two, if you would
like to send a text, cause the starting to come in.
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Let's get some opinion on this. Ian kick us off.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Good evening, Jason, how are you my friend?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Very good? Thanks Ian, very good, Thank you, Pey.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
It's seeing from the Naki. Now listen, made that guy.
It's got to be the All Black captain because I
watched that game and he's just listed every man in
that team. They play for ard they go for the game,
they get him there, they're backing them all the way.
I've never seen a rugby player play like him. And
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as to Scott Barrett, he's put him out of it.
Now he's had his share. He can go I'm a
taranake bog, but that's the way it should go. Let
Ardie take over, mate.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, And just on Scott Bard, I think Scott Barrett
still makes the All Blacks, even if they decide to
change the captain. I think I don't think there's much
doubt that Scott Barrett is still one of the top
locks in the country, is there not really?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I mean, he's okay, but you know he's made a
few slip ups. But the thing is, I'm a local
Taranake boy. I like the Taranicki team when they're playing rugby.
But the thing is, Ardie, what I saw and what
Stahn said theay night Jason was it was fantastic, mate.
That guy can play rugby. He knows he's Oh look,
he's just super to me.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
He's a superhero, mate, a superhero indeed. And as are
you for calling in tonight and getting us underway. Thanks
so much mate. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
seven twenty four. Mark Helope, n I.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Don't think you should be keptain. I don't think it'll
be taking off Scott barredy that piney. I think you
probably know.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
That actually land on a good point because because I
think you're right, Mark, I don't think Razor will make
a change. I think it would be it would be
going against the grain, I think to make a change.
He was all in on Scott Barrett last year. He
had the opportunity if he wanted to to make Artie
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captain last year instead he made him co captain. So yeah,
I think you're right, But I think we can still
have the conversation about whether it would be a good
idea or not.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
Yeah, I mean I think the conversation. I think Justin
Marshall brought it up, but he should probably be the
number seven. To me, I don't actually care whether he
plays at six, seven or eight. I just like the
freedom and I think the difference between maybe even last
year and this year watching him played for Milwana is
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the freedom he's got and to be able to kick
the ball as a completely different dynamic to the game.
I think we had trying to remember was that Cody
Taylor put a kicked through this year or something. But
if if you've got Fords like Addie Savier who can
chipkick and even tactically kick, it really does give you
a different game plan in to me, and I think
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if Ardie's given the freedom to be ARTI I think
that's the thing that would actually make quite a big
difference to the Orblacks. And I mean I think his improvement,
you know, the manor he's brought to Milano's obviously something.
But I think he's actually playing than he did for
the Hurricanes, which is sad to say, But don't you
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think he's playing better than he was last year for
the Hurricanes.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Look, it wasn't there last year, in the year before
because he was in Japan last year. Yeah no, but
the last time I knew what you mean, Mark, Sorry,
I might have just I couldn't help but be a
little bit of a corrective of it. No, I know
what you mean. Look, I you know, Artie's got such
a high bar right that I don't think he ever,
you know, plays badly. But I think what we've seen
from him this year from Winer Pacificer, it's it's as
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good as I've seen from him an already incredible player.
So I think the answer is probably yes, I think
he is playing better this year than he did in
his final year at the Hurricanes. But he was still
pretty good in that year. He's just amazing this year.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So what where we do put him?
Six or seven?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Were such a good question. Yeah, I mean he's played
seven the last three games for Winer Pacificer. He has
also played at at eight across the season. But I think,
like you, Mark, I don't think it actually matters what
numbers on his back. It's really I guess what you're
after in your mix. I think Wallace to Tt clearly
has to be part of it. So you say he's okay.
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If you've got Wallace to Tt and Artie Savilla and
you've got to choose one more person, what's the mix
of you loose forwards? I mean, I really like the
idea of Duplessy Kadifi getting a go, But I don't
think a loose forward trio of Satiti, Kardifi and Savilla
is necessarily the right mix. I don't know if that's right.
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It just maybe lacks somebody a really big bopper.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Do you think Kerensi's out of favor with the All
Black because I mean, he's been an amazing form this year.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
And going back.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I think I think he'll be in the All Blacks
this year. I just think his I think his forms
are resistible. Mark. I just don't see how they can
leave him out, you know, and with with you know,
Sam Caine leaving, there is a vacancy in the loose forwards.
Ethan Black Aatt has sort of been in and out
of the Crusader's side. I think look, Jacobson's been good.
I don't we all know that he's going to be there.
We all know that Wallace a Titi is going to
be there. I think I think dupless Cordifi, on the
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strength of his super rugby form, absolutely deserves to be
in the All Black squad when it's named to play France.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Yeah, the more Hurricanes, the better, apint.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I know that's not what I was. That's not but
I know what you but but I like the way
you're thinking, mate. I like the way you're thinking is
always always good to Yet thanks mate. Oh eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty, John says Artie Hell. Yes,
Scott Barrett not necessarily the number one lock. He's not
an automatic selection like Artie, not the first person you select.
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That's another interesting one. I think with captains they always
have to be a player who is beyond question when
it comes to their place and the team. And it's
when you know a captain's play starts to be questioned
that you get into some really weird areas around this
sort of thing. And Tim Southy was a really good
example of this when he was Test captain. Remember when
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they went away to the Subcontinent and he was Test
captain and it was pretty obvious that he that he
wasn't among the best eleven for that particular tour because
over there you pick a couple of sceners rather than
the three or four you have back here, and so
once you place in the side starts to get question
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then by you know, this logic just says that your
captaincy is also going to be questioned. So yeah, Artie
Savier absolutely in the in the you know, one of
the first names you write down. I still think Scott
Barrett is too. He had a quieter start to the season,
but he came became good oddly enough against the Hurricanes.
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But but I think he's definitely still, you know, one
of our top two lockforwards. So I think his place
in the side is pretty secure as well. As Mark
was just saying, I don't think Raser is going to
make a change. I think it would be a major
surprise if he didn't stick with Scott Barrett this year.
But Artie Savia is just presenting this irresistible case, so
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I think the conversation is absolutely worth having. Hello, Ross, yep.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Hi, there look this one condition I'd have Adie on
is that if he pleased like that is the All
Black captain. I think it's a no brainer. He's right
in there his position. Where would you put him? But
the other thing is we haven't had a follow me
type captain since Richie. We've had a lot of people
that have been captain, but we've never had to follow
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me captain. And I think if he is, he is
given the job as the captain, and with that attitude,
it'll lift the All Blacks. And they've been lacking for
the last two or three years. And I think at
some stage someone's got to read the Ride Act to
the selectors and say, listen, you've tried what you've done,
it hasn't worked for the last few years. If you
want to go into the World Cup. And whether Ardie's
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still there at the World Cup, I'm not sure. But
he's a follow me type guy and people rarely around
follow me guys.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
So you don't think Karen Reid or Sam Kin will
necessarily follow me captains.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
No, I don't think they're not like Artie. No, not
like Ardie. Not that's all.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
No. No, look I wasn't. I wasn't suggesting that you're
wrong Ross, not at all. I know that. You know,
everybody who captains the All Black has a different style.
I know Karen Reid, I've read his book and he
said when he came in, you know, it was incredibly
daunting being the captain to follow Richie mccare, you know,
because he was just, you know, one of, if not
the greatest ever to do the job, and so you
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lead in a slightly different fashion. You're right about Artie, though.
I kind of feel like if I was an Ardie
Savier's team, I would be absolutely desperate not to let
the man down. You know, you see what he does,
and you think, I'm not going to let that guy down.
If he's going to throw his body around like that,
then I am as well.
Speaker 8 (24:39):
You imagine the sort of talk he would give to
the team if they were twelve to fifteen points behind
at halftime. He would be ripping the wallpaper off the
wharves and he would be saying, this is what we've
got to do. We're going to do it, and I'll
show you how. I don't think the other captains have
got that ability.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yep. It's a good point, ross a very good point.
And you know there are lots of different types of
captains and you're right, follow me, captain very effective. Artie
will be here for the next World Cup. He signed
through to the end of twenty twenty seven, still has
another sabbatical which you can only assume he'll take next year.
So that's another interesting little layer to this is that
Artie Savier won't be at Mawana Pacifica in twenty twenty six.
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He will at the start of twenty twenty seven heading
into the next World Cup. Because the other thing he's
going to do is turn a lot of heads of
players who are thinking about a new home, and one
in particular. And we spoke to Ken Laban about this
on the show a month or so ago. I'm not
sure what the topic was, but I was. I think
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we were talking about Richie m Wonga coming home, so
it was about that, and he said, look, his mail
is that Richie Wonga will go to Mawana Pacifica if
Artie Savia is there. And who wouldn't want to go
and play for a team like that, especially now that
they've you know, they've discovered this ability to win matches
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largely I think driven by Artie Savie and his standards.
That's another thing A captain, Does they lift the others
around them just by force of will more than anything,
and by by providing, as we've just heard, a follow
me type approach. Twenty seven away from eight. We'll take
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some more calls in a moment. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty one spe a line if you want
to jump on nine two, nine and two one text
messages back in a second. On Monday Night Sports Talk,
should Artie Savier be the your Blacks captain?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Forget the ref's call, you make the call on eight
eighty eighty Sports Talk on your home of sports Whose
talks Be's.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Talk twenty four away from eight talking Arli Savier what
position he should play? That's become a bit of a
talking point as well, and whether he should captain this side.
A couple of texts here playing for the Hurricanes and
the All Blacks is a job for Artie. Playing for
Mowana is love. It's a very good point, and the
same text to says playing for Mojana means more to him.
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It's a different passion of here and culture that a
lot of people will not understand. Yes, yes, yes, Artie
for captain says this one and from billet's easier to shine,
says Bill. When you play open side flanka as opposed
to six or eight, not only are you closer to
the action, but you're also allowed to hang off the
ruts and defense and get your breath back, which means
you'll do more at the next breakdown. This comes from
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senior experience and all three loose forward positions. Thank you, Bill,
appreciate your insight. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty twenty
three to eight.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Allen, Hello, Party, I would but Ardie sat seven, he'll
if if he will, Pip Dolphin, Poper Early who's been
easily upset, Burry mess Party sor Economy wrote a month
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or so ago, and he two pay, shifting him out
of lock to six. We need we need a tall
line out.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, I remember, I remember speaking to Murray about that
very thing Allen on the show. I would have been
back into last year, and he was. He was really
big on this that that our number six, our blindside
flanker needs to be a big, big body who is
a line out option and also is just a physical
presence around the place. To Murray, I think it was
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it was just for him, almost a personal crusade that
he wanted someone like that in the All Blacks number
six Jersey.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Okay, another question.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
None.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
I haven't watched much pretty Piney, but they're talking about
the big Highland.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Fabian Yeah, Fabian Holland. Yes, yet they got big wraps
on him. His it's his eligibility. He will become eligible.
I think it might be this year. He went on
the end of season two last year, as I think
it was in The Blacks fifteen. He it's certainly an
eligibility thing. He's got to have lived here for three years.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
He's from Yeah, there was an really unfortunate century, really
was that was?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeh, but he'll be back. He'll be back, Sam darry Back,
Fabian Holland.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
You're right as well, yep op.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Just last year around yep, I think where we got
your point yep artist to seven. I don't think you'll
get much an argument. But again, would it really matter
what number he was wearing on his back? I know
you've got different responsibilities. I seven and eight seemed to
me to be very interchangeable. I don't think you, you know,
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would know if you didn't you know, if they went
out there without numbers on you wouldn't know what position
Artie was playing by the way he plays, would you.
I mean, you might think for a while he was
a winger or a midfield back, doing his little kick
and chase grubbers and things like that. Tana Umanga, of course,
has had a big influence on Ardie Savier at Mawana Pacifica.
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I think Tanna played a big role in even getting
Ardi there. He was asked on Saturday night Tana after
the game whether he has seen a better performance from
an individual player and whether he's just come to expect
this now from his captain Artie Savier, as.
Speaker 9 (30:33):
This astounds me sometimes I don't know if anyone can
get any better, but he keeps doing it, and I
think it's just amazing what he puts himself through, how
he prepares, and also how much it means to him.
I think that's the kind of thing we talked about,
is how much does it mean to us? You know,
we can as ard he talked about, we can talk
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about it, but what are you going to do about it?
Speaker 7 (30:59):
You know?
Speaker 9 (30:59):
And he really impressed upon them about it's the doing
part there means something, and it's a doing part that
we can all be judged on it, you know, and
and so again our leaders are led by ARTI did
that all. We have done it for the last well,
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you know, since the season started. Now our players are
starting to understand, oh that's what's required. Oh that's what's
required every day. Not just turn up and it's going
to happen. It's we've got to be very particular about
what we do. And that's and that's something that's going
to grow them as well. As Ardia has spoken about
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where our players have come from, you know, this is
the opportunity for them for a lifetime really, you know, change,
life changing. So to learn the skills of someone that's
playing the best rugby that anyone's seen and see, oh
how does he do that? It's not just luck, you know,
that's the best way for our boys to learn. We
can tell them to the cows come home, but if
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they see it every day and see what he does,
and it's not just him, it's as leaders that he
empowers to lead as well. And that's how a boy's
gonna keep growing.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
That is a ton of umager speaking about Ardie Saville.
So will Mana Pacifica make the top six? I think
I think most of us would love to see it,
as long as it wasn't at the expense of our team.
And I look at my Hurricanes and I think, well,
if my Wanda Pacifica make it, then the Hurricanes might not.
So Wina Pacificat are currently in sixth place on the table.
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See nobody saw that coming for starters, did they? Twenty
eight points Winna Pacifica. The Blues are also on twenty
eight points. However, they've played one more game and only
have one game left. The Blues' final game I've got
to buy this week and then over King's Birthday weekend
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they will play the Warritars at Eden Park. That is
their final game. So you think to yourself, the Blues
should win that game. So let's give them the four
points so they get to thirty two, potentially thirty three
if they get the bonus point. But let's get them
to thirty two for the meantime. So Miana Pacificer have
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to get to thirty two as well or higher. They've
got two games left. They're tough Chiefs away Hurricanes away
Chiefs have been terrific, haven't they really really good? So
it would be difficult, I think, to predict that Mawana
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Pacifica would go to Hamilton and win that game. The
Chiefs are the only New Zealand side Mawana Pacificer haven't
beaten this year. They've beaten all the others. They've played
the Chiefs in Round four or five they lost fifty
to thirty five. But they've beaten all the others. They've
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beaten the Crusaders, they've beaten the Hurricanes, they've beaten the Blues,
they've beaten the Highlanders. They haven't beaten the Chiefs. So
let's say they don't win that game, then it'll come
down to that final game, won't it, which is also
on Saturday, May thirty one, King's Birthday Saturday. So back
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to back games in that final weekend may well decide
who goes into the top six, because you'd have to think, well,
the Brumbies, Chiefs and Crusaders are there. The Reds probably
are too. They're on thirty two points with a couple
of games to play. They've got the Hurricanes and the Drewer.
They'll beat them. I mean they should beat the Drewer
in Brisbane. Fiji and drew don't seem capable of winning
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anything outside of their own country unfortunately, so I think
the Reds will probably be okay. So Hurricanes more on
the PACIFICA Blues. Those three, two of them will go through.
I hope I want a Pacificer make it, but the
Hurricanes fan in me hopes that it's not at our expense.
But it could well come down to that game, couldn't it.
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It could well come down to that game. Just before
we take a break and look at Piney's power rankings
for the weekend text here at simple Razor. If Artie's captain,
all of the country will be behind the team. Artie
is the closest New Zealand have to see a Calisi figure.
It's a very good analogy, a very very good analogy.
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See Calisi has completely united South African rugby fans behind
the spring box and obviously internally also had a massive
impact on the way that team plays and how often
that team wins. It's a very very good analogy underway
in the A and Z Premiership as well. Will keep
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eyes on that for you for the next fifteen minutes
or so. As the Magic look to make Hamilton a
happy hunting ground for them. They're up against the Steel.
Both teams losers in round one underway in round two.
Will keep eyes on that for you. When we come back, though,
it'll be Piney's Power Rankings for the weekend.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Power Rankings.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Okay, let's do this Monday night time. For Piney's Power Rankings.
Every Monday night, we rate the best, the worst, and
the in between. Bits from the sporting weekend. Let's go.
Scary moments in Indy five hundred qualifying for two of
our kiwi's Marcus Armstrong. A huge crash for Marcus Armstrong.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
It is not what you want to see on the
morning of qualifying.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
And Scotti McLaughlin, Oh, Scott McLachlan in the wall, big
big accident down after turn two. Fortunately, both are okay
and should be good to line up at the Indianapolis
five hundred next week. Nine turns in the Pack four
series against Canada, it.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Is a draw, and in many ways that is a
fear reflection of what has.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Been a truly absorbing contest.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, good game of rug but always a bit hard
to know though how to feel after a drawer sheet
makes the Brumbies sneakily jumping over everybody else.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
And the Brumbies go top of the table with two
rounds remaining.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
How did that happen? They did that fairly stealthily, didn't they?
Seven Goodison Park, home of Everton Football Club since eighteen
ninety two, are.
Speaker 10 (37:45):
The players that have done their part in making the occasion.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Enjoy and give on the final day.
Speaker 9 (37:53):
His two goals, the last two goals and Goodison Park
in the Premier League.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
In Man senior football, the emotional stuff as Everton head
off to a flash new stadium next season, leaving one
hundred thirty three years of memories behind. Six Scottish Scheffler
untroubled at this year's second golf Major.
Speaker 10 (38:15):
Scottish Shuffler when's in a runaway in the showdown at Charlott.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Our runaway is right. He is in a class of
his own right now. Five into the top half where
we find crystal palace glory at Wembley for the Super Eagles.
Speaker 10 (38:30):
The whistle does just the palace of just what the
fl cock where I think you were rave and blue.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
This is the moment you've been.
Speaker 10 (38:39):
Waiting one pun truth and twenty years four.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
It's an awfully long time to wait for a trophy,
so you can forgive the excitement when it finally arrived
four as Mark no wangernitawas with one of the more
incredible NRL tries you will ever see. Kiss of the
temp little chipkick.
Speaker 10 (39:01):
Den allays kind of down the corner.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Did he stay in the Hawaii? This is an extraordinary try,
absolutely astonishing try of the year. Already surely staying in
the NRL. The Warriors another win, another tight one verified
any warrants second twenty and here they are make it
(39:25):
five tricks. Sound the alarm. The Warriors are streaking to
Auckland's FC, taking a big, big stride towards the A
League Men's Grand Final advantage. Auckland f C.
Speaker 10 (39:41):
Logan Rogerson is their man of the hour. FC create
another first A Finals win at the first time of asking.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Did anyone really really believe this was possible? When Auckland
f C played their first day league game exactly seven
months ago. Today, on top of the pile, Ardie Savia
with one of the most extraordinary individual performances in Super
rugby history, leaving us searching for new ways to describe
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this incredible rugby player. The waer a rover it don't
get the penalty head?
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Who got it? Hey?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Savia? Those are the Power rankings for tonight. Any feedback?
Speaker 11 (40:32):
I see you're smart because you know you can't put
Auckland FC top twice in a row, so you're saving
it for next week when they win a No four
nothing at Comedia mount smart.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I don't think there's any rules about back to back
number one? Oh why are they number one?
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Then?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Piney, come on, so you're so you're telling that appearance
in a final You've done it wrong. I don't know
what the rules are. Well, do you have Auckland FC
ahead of Arli Savia? I don't like.
Speaker 11 (40:59):
It's hard to say no to Ardie sava Via right now,
but yeah, I go Aorgland He's see number one?
Speaker 5 (41:04):
All right?
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Well maybe they will be week. I think you're right.
Perhaps if they managed to make their way past Melbourne
victory on Saturday night and find themselves in the Grand Final,
they may well be number one. I guess you'll have
to tune in to find out.
Speaker 11 (41:17):
I produce the show, Piney. I'll be tuning in by default.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I'm not sure that you always do.
Speaker 11 (41:24):
No comment.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Those are Piney's Power rankings for tonight. We love bringing
them to you. All feedback welcome they return next Monday
evening here on Sports Talk on News Talk SED coming
up three to eight. That's us for today. We're back
on weekend Sport this coming Saturday and Sunday. On Saturday,
we would love you to join us live at Tyler
(41:46):
Street Sport in britam Art as we build up to
the home semi final Auckland FC against Melbourne victory at
Go Media Stadium, Mount Smart. That's on Saturday night at six.
We're on site at Tyler Street Sport. Between midday and
three join us for the Ultimate True Blue pregame Atmosphere
at Tyler Street Sport, the new home of sport in
(42:07):
the city. If you haven't got your tickets, get them quick.
Auckland FC dot co dot MZ. Thanks for listening in.
Huge thanks to any McDonald for producing tonight and across
the weekend, and enjoy a couple of days off.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Marcus Lush is on your radio after eight o'clock and
as I say, we'll be with you for a weekend
Sport on Saturday live from Tyler Street Sport. Up the Blues.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
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