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July 21, 2025 42 mins

Jason Pine returns to recap a full day in the world of sport! Highlights for tonight include:

Silver Ferns head coach Dame Noeline Taurua on the new Silver Ferns eligibility rules and what this means for the Ferns and Grace Nweke.

Warriors head coach Andrew Webster on the team's victory over the Newcastle Knights.

New Chiefs head coach Jono Gibbes on taking over from Clayton McMillan.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello thereon evenis welcome into Monday night sports Talk on
News Talks head Beat for July twenty one. I'm Jason
Pine producing the show Annie McDonald. We're here to late,
busy old show the Warriors consolidating their spot on the
NRL's top four in heart stopping fashion, a late late
try from Lecca Halaesima earning them victory over the Nights

(00:43):
in Newcastle last night, remarkable from the teenaged second rower.
Warriors head coach Andrew Webster is with us on the
show tonight. Very keen to hear your views as well
on where you perceive the Warriors to be and whether
Lecqua's late late show overshadowed a few issues which need

(01:04):
fixing quickly. If the Warriors read, we are going to
make a run at the NRL title. Also tonight, the
Chiefs have a new head coach. Former captain of the
franchise and assistant coach for the last two years, John o'
gibbs will take the rains. He'll join us a bit
later on to outline his plan to take the Chiefs
from three time runners up to Super Rugby champions but

(01:25):
leading us off tonight. Silver Ferns coach Dame Nolin Todoua
after news in the last few hours the Netball New
Zealand's board has finally seen since and updated the eligibility
criteria for the Silver Ferns. Overseas bass players can now
be considered for national selection through a formal exemption process.
That means Grace Wheki can apply to play for the

(01:47):
Silver Ferns despite not playing in our domestic comp So
Dame Nolin Todoua no doubt delighted about this ruling, standing
by the chat with us and on Monday night we
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Speaker 1 (02:17):
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Speaker 3 (02:20):
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Speaker 2 (02:27):
Andrew Webster coming up in the next little while, but
confirmation this afternoon that Netball New Zealand has updated its
eligibility criteria for the Silver Ferns. Overseas based players can
now be considered for national selection through what they're calling
a formal exemption process. The updated criteria will be implemented
ahead of the upcoming international season, with three tests against

(02:51):
South Africa and four against Australia at the back end
of the year. That would allow Grace Weky to be
available if she decides to apply, which you get the
feelings she will. Netball New Zealand board chair Matt Winnaday
says the board listened to those in the game and
recognized the need for a more flexible and responsive approach.

(03:11):
Silver Firn's coach, Dame Nolean total is will this. You'll
be delighted, Dame Nolen. How pleased are you with this outcome?

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:18):
I'm really pleased obviously not only for Grace but also
other players. Essentially a big move for for the board.
Netwill New Zealand our CEO that we've entered into this
space and always right from the start, I've understood where
it all sort of was positioned in regards to making
sure that people feel that they've heard our players that

(03:41):
they want to keep growing and developing in that space,
but also not gutting the A and Z so to speak.
So to get to this place is awesome for many
parties concerned.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
How hard did you push for this?

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Well, I'm part of the process, I suppose, and the
process that was put together not only with me but
also our h I thought was really thorough. It took
all and you know, a lot of parties in mind
and with our utmost I suppose, care of the athlete

(04:18):
our I sort of feel, you know, it's like the kids.
You want them to go and then you want them
to come back, you know, so it's not anything different,
and you want to make sure that if they did go,
that they go with an informed choice and they know
exactly what to expect whether they're playing or not, and
what that means. So yeah, I was a part of it.

(04:39):
Put my hand up.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
As you've outlined there there is a balance to be
struck here between giving opportunities to players doing what's best
for them, but also keeping in mind the integrity of
the domestic camp. Is there any danger our domestic camp
might be diluted because our top players now don't have
to play in it to play for New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
Yeah, there's probably two points. One point is we've got
to remember it's not going to be everybody like. It's
not going to be an influx of people that's going
to go over to ECCN. Why is because Australians have
got their own people and they are awesome over so
the numbers is only going to be small. So that's
one thing. And the second thing, you know, and it

(05:21):
showed this year we've got some really talented players coming
through and developing players. But all sometimes they need is
an opportunity. And when we look at the Maria in
Mystics and some that we're able to be shown in Stars,
you know when you was injuries, we've got enough talent
to be able to fill those spots. So it creates opportunities.

(05:44):
And I think also we've got to make sure that
our competition is a one.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
So there's a formal exemption process. So presumably a player
makes an application to be exempt. As Silver Fern's coach,
would you expect to be part of the panel that
he has applications like that.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
So what our processes we've pretty much got I suppose
a sheet of questions and between myself and the HPD,
we see those questions through to the athlete and those
questions could be things around why are they going, what's
their vision, what's their values, what's their skill sets that

(06:24):
they want to learn? Have they done work around what
to expect when they get over there, have they spoken
to their current clubs, have they looked at any other
clubs in New Zealand, what's the contract going to be
for them? And you know, what's the I suppose their
risks and how do they minimize those risks? So that's

(06:45):
pretty much one of the steps. And then what happens is,
depending how that discussion goes, our HPD picks that up
and talks to the clubs, making sure once again that
what the athlete heard is what's going to be in
real life. Then it goes through MZPA for their look
over it, then it goes through to the board, so

(07:05):
they're there different stages that application will go through alongside
with obviously the athlete as well.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
So how many players at any one time Dame Noline.
Would you expect to have an exemption given to them?

Speaker 5 (07:21):
There's no In my eyes, there's no limits. And why
I would say that is, you know, it's up to
the individual whether they want to go or not. And
to be honest, those discussions since I've been in my
role has always been open. Sometimes people when they go
through our process or of looking at questions and deciding

(07:43):
that that themselves, they come to their own thoughts that
they don't want to go. So at the moment, it's
a process that people will have to go through if
they want to be eligible, and no numbers have been
put against it.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Have you spoken to Grace Wiki since this decision has
been made public?

Speaker 5 (08:03):
No, I haven't spoken to her at all, but as
I understand that will probably have to go through her agent,
But I haven't spoken to her at all.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
She'll apply though surely, surely she'll be the first one
to apply.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
I think there are going to be some athletes, if
I'm going to be honest, and you know it's been
made publicly with certain athletes as too. They have been approached,
and you know that's brilliant for them. They're going through
these questions themselves to make sure that they've got everything forwarded,
and some of them will stay and some of them
will put their name forward, So there's got to be

(08:39):
more people than who. Thing that I'm really happy once
again is that we've got a clean process. It takes
the biasedness out. It's transparent well to some degree. But
everyone could put their name forward, you know. And it's
not just our Nolan's Nolan's best mates or the next
door neighbor's best mates. It's opened everybody.

Speaker 6 (08:58):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Good integrity, good transparency, very good outcome. Yeah, good on
your name, Nolane. Great to chat as always, thanks for joining.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
Us, lovely, thank you, bye bye, have a.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Good night, Dame Nolene, Dame Nolen, todo are there? She's
delighted and why wouldn't she be go and open the
lines on this very shortly before we moved to Andrew Webster.
I just don't know why this took so long. I
don't know why it took them so long to get
this across the line. This has been talked about for
months now, ever since grace Wiki went to Australia. I
remember getting Matt winnereda the chair of the board on

(09:30):
the radio shortly after that happened, and asking him, you know,
would they look at changing the rules and he said, yeah,
we are. We're looking at it. We're looking at it.
What are we now mid July? I guess the Silver
honston't play till September. So there's nothing really lost here,
But I mean there are no losers here. After this determination,
Grace Wiki went to Australia with the express intension of

(09:52):
improving herself as a netballer and testing herself against the
best players in the world, the best defenders. She was
giving herself a different challenge from what she would have
given herself here in New Zealand because the standard over
there is probably higher. Yes, she's getting paid, of course
I'm not naive she's getting paid over there.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Of course she is.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
But she wanted to go to improve herself. The other
thing I've noticed this afternoon is there seems to be
a rather unusual desire from the board and its chair,
Matt onea Day to insist that this re examination of the
rules wasn't compelled by Grace Wikis move. Here's what he

(10:36):
said to our sports news team earlier today.

Speaker 7 (10:40):
This is a process that's available to all players, so
you know, Grace part of the civil Fian's MAXI. But
this is certainly not a process that's been created for that.
And the reason it's taken a while is because we're
thinking about the long term, not because we're thinking about
any short term.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Simple fact is, if Grace workI hadn't gone to Australia,
this rule wouldn't have changed. It's as simple as that.
She is the catalyst for this. When we look back
on this, we'll call it the Grace workI rule. That's
what we'll do. Lines open on that in a little while.
It's eighteen past seven for Stork to the Warriors, who

(11:15):
last night snatched a twenty to fifteen win over the
Knights in Newcastle in utterly dramatic fashion.

Speaker 8 (11:22):
It's shut up. The Warriors shot.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Astonishing forward Leka Hala Sima scoring the game winning try
and the final seconds after collecting the ball from a
deflected field goal attempt and running over forty meters with it.
The Warriors stay fourth on the table, level on thirty
points with the third place Storm and four points behind
the table topping Raiders. Warriors head coach Andrew Webster is

(11:53):
with us webbe thanks for taking time to chat to us.
Can we start at the end of the game last night,
Can you talk us through the range of emotions you
and your fellow coaches went through, from when Tanner Boyd
missed the late penalty which would have put you into
the lead, the field goal he then attempted, which was
charged down, and then lek a hell a Seama picking
up the ball and sprinting away to score.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Oh yeah, mixed the motions.

Speaker 9 (12:17):
Obviously celebrating such a special play, but I still wasn't.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
Sure if everyone was on side. I didn't know from
my angle whether he got it down.

Speaker 9 (12:25):
Straight away, so it just wasn't a clear part yet
to be over celebrating. But I was quietly confident that
he'd come up with an amazing play. And then yeah,
I was a part of me was I wish we
had oursted earlier because I've actually felt like we put
ourselves in a position and win the game when we
probably weren't playing our best footy. But I thought the

(12:47):
boys really started putting pressure on the Nights and win
field position and give ourselves some good looks at field goals.
So yeah, it was a little bit frustrating, but yeah,
I'm pretty exciting at the same time, I.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Want to come back to Lecca in a moment. But
just on Tanner board you mentioned there he had a
couple of opportunities to win the game with drop goals
or that penalty near the end. He looked creast fallen
when that penalty didn't go over and he thought the
game was gone. What sort of conversations did you have
with Tanner Boyd after the game.

Speaker 9 (13:17):
No, I just likely said made just keep going for it.
I mean, like, I think there's an old saying it's
quite corny. But Michael Jordan missed more winning shots more,
he missed more winning shots, and he did than he made,
but everyone remembers the one they made and the Sea Jordan,
and he kept winning the ball and kept wanting to
throwing in the game for his team. So I was
just impressed our Tanner kept going after the moment when

(13:39):
I wasn't going.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
His way, and I reckon, you'll learn a lot from it.

Speaker 9 (13:42):
So I just said, down on to define him, and
it's got to move on quick and keep chasing the
next moment.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Leka Hallisima then not even twenty years old yet, but
capturing headlines all over the place, and this tribe. I'm
sure you've seen is everywhere. How do you keep such
a potentially brilliant young player grounded and focused?

Speaker 9 (14:03):
Just feedback, really, just honest feedback, Just celebrate what he
does well and telling him what he needs to work on.
He's pretty good at that. I haven't seen any signs
even getting ahead of himself, but I think that we'll
even look at the rest of his game and not
be satisfied. But I think he can certainly, because look,

(14:24):
he's a brilliant player, doesn't I haven't pulled him that.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
None of our coaches taught him how to scaretrol of that.

Speaker 9 (14:30):
He just naturally knows how to do that because he's
so athletic and he's such a talent. But yeah, he's
got so much to work on, and if he nails that,
you're going to see a world class player.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, he came out of some pretty big defensive plays
as well, didn't he. We're all going to remember the
try at the end of course. But his defensive workers
is improving by the looks of it. Is that something
you're encouraging him to work on as well?

Speaker 9 (14:52):
Yeah, he just consistently mate like he's working at it
and got to improve. I mean, he came up with
a big tackle on his trial line, but he also
probably makes.

Speaker 6 (15:01):
About thirty tackles. So if you score the thirty tackles he.

Speaker 9 (15:04):
Makes, he's not where he wants to be, or he's
not we're the standard of say Fisher Harris or someone
like that is. But he's nineteen years old and he's learning.
But yeah, he's still definitely come up with some big plays.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
I know, in typical Warriors fashion. And is your nature
that the wind won't mask some of the work ons
that are required and the weak ahead and for the
rest of the season, what will the main elements of
your review be.

Speaker 9 (15:31):
We had a review already this morning in the hotel.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
Yeah, we missed.

Speaker 9 (15:36):
We completely let them out of their end we are
defensively or through penalties or through discipline. And then we
had too many fundamental errors coming out of err and
which just put us on too much pressure. And we
went defending well on the edges and they were stripping
us for numbers quite easily. And I thought they made
some great adjustments in the second half, and we saw how.

Speaker 6 (15:57):
Much pressure we started putting on the nights.

Speaker 9 (15:59):
They started forcing things having errors and then we started
winning the field, dish and battle, and hence why we
give ourselves a real chance to win the game. Like
they only scored a penalty dowal on the second half,
so they didn't cross our line for a try, which
is awesome.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Just on the tries you did concede though in the
first half a couple of them came down your right
hand side there. Left is that a concern? Will we
be and what should Dellan what Tennis Lesniak do in
a situation like that? Should he stay out so that
the overlap isn't created?

Speaker 9 (16:30):
Well, he stayed out on one and they had a
line break, So you know that you're den if you do,
and you den if you don't. I think it's probably
the biggest thing for the armchair fan to understand when
a player should be in, when a.

Speaker 6 (16:42):
Player should be out.

Speaker 9 (16:44):
But I would just let everyone know we definitely need
to be better there and it's just not dal and
it's everyone. And I couldn't believe how many times everyone
was creating an overlap defensively for our right edge. They
constantly had four v three or five E four situations
or three v two situations, and then if you stay

(17:06):
out on the wing of the Senate just goes through
and that happened to us once.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
But yeah, I'm going to give away our secrets.

Speaker 9 (17:13):
We've got a plan to fix that and fix it
in the second half, which was awesome.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Did you think Wade Egans disallowed try in the first
half was a try?

Speaker 6 (17:21):
Yes, definitely. It was a bad decision, really bad decision.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I guess the context of it as well, was the
try the Knights were awarded when Greg Majou looked as
though he had passed it off the ground to Dane Gagy.
So did you think they got that one wrong as well?

Speaker 6 (17:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (17:40):
I thought I was watching the All Blacks there. Yeah,
I mean the context of it is like, yeah, elbows,
elbow hits the ground, you held his elbow didn't hit
the ground, but he was clearly tackled and held forever
in Aga. This is common sense, Like you've got to
look at it and go, well, he's tackled and then

(18:01):
he and then he comes up with the See if
I keep my arm off the ground, Am I allowed
to just throw it off the ground every time I
get tackled?

Speaker 6 (18:10):
Of course not. So it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
I saw Luke metcalf on the coverage last night. He's
obviously not playing at the moment with that season ending injury,
but you're clearly still involving him. What is his involvement
in the team even though he can't actually play at
the moment.

Speaker 9 (18:25):
Now, Luke just went home for a week to Sydney,
just see family because he's going to have a long recovery,
gets his operations with I've been trying to strengthen, strengthen
the muscles around the knee, so he has a really
good recovery before his surgery. So to send him home
and just wanted him to be around the team, come
up to newcast and he's flying home, flying back to

(18:46):
New Zealand this morning to start his have his operations,
start his rehab. So yeah, we just he's going to
offer his plenty ship through leadership and every single team
member has to have an impact, whether you're injured or
you're playing.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
And just back to the game to finish where we
regardless of how it came, you got the win, you
got the two points. How big a result is it
for you in the context of the top four.

Speaker 6 (19:10):
I think yeah, I think it.

Speaker 9 (19:11):
Well, only we'll only know at the end, I think,
but I think it puts us in a lot better
position than if we hadn't one, that's for sure, But
if we had lost last night, certainly wanted to find
that the rest of our season.

Speaker 6 (19:24):
But I think it.

Speaker 9 (19:25):
Yeah, every time you win it it puts you in
a step closer to that top four that or you
know what we're chasing. But like in reality, like we're
not going to get anywhere we want for we don't improve.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
You're confident that you that you can though, and.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
Will always always confident in this group.

Speaker 9 (19:44):
I love them, like the way they compete and the
way they work hard every day. Going in your past
it's not easy, like it really isn't so. But this
season was probably on the line and they put a
lot into it and there's big periods there wh we
look the better team.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
But I'm always confident we can.

Speaker 9 (20:03):
But if we don't, we're just going to stay where
we are.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Show your time where be all the best for the week.
Has you prepare for the Titans this coming weekend? Thanks
for joining us.

Speaker 6 (20:12):
Awesome, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
We'll be Andrew Webster, their head coach of the Warriors,
with some interesting thoughts They're keen to get yours want
to open the lines. I one hundred and eighty ten
eighty on the league. Where do you assess where the
Warriors are on the table?

Speaker 4 (20:27):
There?

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Fourth right now, actually equal third on points with the
Storm but with an inferia pointstiff, so thirty points. The
Warriors have four points clear of the Broncos and in
a further point back to the Panthers. Now both of
those sites are flying, the Broncos and the Panthers. The
Broncos have won the last five, the Panthers have won

(20:48):
their last six after a shocking start. Here they are
the four time defending premiers or four time defending champions
actually making a run, and they'll be in the eight.
I don't think there's any doubt about that.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Now.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
They've got a head of steam up. They've discovered that
they're the Panthers again, and they're going to be there
seven games to go. Can the Warriors hold on and
secure that spot in the top four, which is so
important come playoff time. Let's not worry about the teams
above them at the moment. I've kind of been drawn
into conversations in the last little while, people saying, hey,
we haven't beaten the Raiders, haven't beaten the Bulldogs, haven't

(21:23):
beaten the Storm Ye correct, we haven't, but we can.
You know that's to come. We've got the Bulldogs away
in three weeks time. I think we'll find out a
lot about the Warriors that night when they take on
the Bulldogs away. But I'm more concerned about the Warriors winning.
What is you know, we're winning the vast majority of
what is a reasonably friendly run to the finish line

(21:48):
for them. They only have to play two teams who
are currently inside the top eight. One of those is
the Bulldogs and the other is the Sea Eagles. Four
of their seven games are at home, so if you
wanted a run and where you could solidify your place
in the top four, the Warriors don't have any any

(22:12):
excuses as far as that's concerned. The Titans, who are bottom,
they play twice home this weekend and then away a
little further down the track, so it's two home games
to come the Titans and then the Dolphins await the
Bulldogs on Saturday, August the ninth. That's going to be big.
At home to the Dragons, away to the Titans, at

(22:32):
home to the Eels and then the Sea Eagles away
to finish. Can you see them holding on? I'm not
going to go through the Broncos and the Panthers run
to the end of the regular season. I think we
can assume that they'll continue to play well, continue to
win matches. But it's in the Warrior's hands. If they

(22:53):
win their home games those four out of seven home games,
then they got one foot in the top four our
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. And just on what
Andrew Webster said there as well about about the the
defense owning it, saying, hey, it's not just Dllan because

(23:14):
what kok Kate Waller was out there last night too,
wasn't he? And so I was sort of a manufactured
right edge defense. But I saw a lot of heat
coming on Dellan. Why tenneys released now? Because it looks bad,
doesn't it when you come in and leave an overlap
like he did for the for the wasn't the gag
I tried with the marj You try, it just looks bad.

(23:35):
It looks like, oh, he's coming, he's misreaded, he's made
the wrong decision. But as Andrew Wibster said, then look
if he stays out there's the possibility of a Limebrook,
So you got to make these decisions. But then again,
that's what they're paid to do professional rugby league players.
They are paid to make the right decisions. And your
thoughts on the netballer, welcome to eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Is there are a downside I'm missing here?

(23:57):
The domestic compainnt going to be diluted. There's no big
exodus of players coming here. It's a very sensible decisions
taking them while, but I'm glad they finally landed on it.
Twenty nine away from eight. We're back with your calls
after this on Sports Talk.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
A great call is your call on eight Sports Talk
all on your home of Sports News Talk.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Seven thirty three, taking your calls on the nipall and
on the Warriors. Get a Paul good a poony.

Speaker 11 (24:27):
It took me a while to get to sleep last night.
It was it was.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
It was a.

Speaker 11 (24:32):
Fantastic way to win the game. But yes, Luki Hallasima
great great on a tep. There were some players here
last night that just you know, the unerstanding heroes tain
topic last night. You know, he made a twice saving
ankle tap. He was all over the park. He just
showed to me what a what a real player is

(24:53):
and we shouldn't lose this guy. And you know what's
some priestby Pinty, you've got the worlds. This year's you know,
we've lost some we've won some close games and this
team goes down fighting and that's all we've in years
gone by, you know, and he's gone by. You know
what things have been guilty of waving the whites flag.
But this team is in the flight to the bittery

(25:15):
and they go to the deep waters. And that's something
that other teams will be being and become finals time.
They don't come and come up against the worries because
if the game is close and you know, you can
put your money on the ways to get it done.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, and it hasn't always been the case, as you say, Paul,
it's it's you know, it's something that that hasn't been
a hallmark of their place. Certainly wasn't last year. You know,
I know you and I have talked about this, the
number of games they lost by single digits last year,
and then you look at the single digit margins this
year and the majority are in the Warrior's favor and
look you say, all they should have beaten the Knights.
Of course they should. They're not playing that well. But

(25:49):
I don't think there's any easy game in the NRL,
and and that probably makes makes a bit of a
mockery of what I said before about a relatively comfortable running,
which it's not going to be. Do you do you
back them to stay in the four?

Speaker 11 (26:04):
Absolutely? Well, I look at the run, you know, you
point out the running we've got coming up. Yes we
should stand therefore, but look you said, it's the NRL,
and you know, look at the storm they got dusted
up by. That's the Sea Eagles on the weekend. It's
just the nature of the competition. If you're not on,
if you're not one hundred and team percent on the day,
then you know you'll get hammered. But interesting you were

(26:27):
talking to Andrew Webster. I'm just really interested in the Warriors.
If they've just set up an academy in Logan and Brisbane.
It's on their page it's a new Warriors Academy over there.
And it's interesting that it's been set up in Queensland.
I know there's a lot of Keywies that don't that
live in Queensland and Brisbane. I'm just thinking, is this

(26:48):
a preemptive mood move? Because I always hearing that the
twentieth team was going to be another team in Brisbane.
But now that the Warriors are set up, they'll be
draining the player base in Brisbane by setting up this
academy in Logan. So maybe this second team in course
Chuch is on the cards and the Warriors can that coming?

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Interesting? What do you think?

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, it's look, it's innovative, isn't it. You know, setting
up in a patch where you know there are a
couple of Threa in fact three teams well two an away.
But yeah, but they they certainly, they certainly have been
innovative with it. I guess you know, not everybody can
play for the Broncos or the Dolphins, can they? So

(27:29):
I don't want to. And I had made the connection
with the christ you age thing, you may well be right,
You may well be right. Like the reaction to that.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah, the thing is pointly if you look at what
that mean?

Speaker 11 (27:40):
Was this quite at the moment you've got the reseusewise,
a couple just won footeen games in a row, the
Jersey fleeg that the boys won the Harold Match, which
is a fifteen year old team. You know, this sort
of this hasn't happened since two thousand and two or
twenty eleven when we won. You know, we got into
the Grand Final against Manly when we had down to twenties.
So the thignes are looking good. And if this Academy

(28:02):
and Brisbane a lot of those Kiwis that go over there,
it's going to open up another player pool for us.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
So it's gee.

Speaker 11 (28:10):
Signs are looking good.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Mate, yep they are. Paul always love chatting league with you, mate.
I hope you get a better sleep tonight. I know
you will, I know you will. Thanks for calling through.
Let's move to rugby Union, where the Chiefs have confirmed
assistant John O Gibbs will take charge of the Super
Rugby Fanchise a franchise following the departure of Clayton McMillan.
He's been a Chief's assistant coach for the last couple

(28:34):
of years and now has the top job. He joins
us now, John co congratulations on the role. Was this
a job you were always keen on when you found
out Clayton McMillan was heading offshore.

Speaker 12 (28:46):
I think I was initially dis grateful for the opportunity
to work in the staff, come back home after being
away for a long time, and have an.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Opportunity to work at the chief So I was really.

Speaker 12 (28:58):
Grateful for that, and I guess my initial focus was
just on adding value as a consequence of being here
and being able to be have a front row seat
and how it's all works, and how the system that
he's built has created real consistency, get the chance to

(29:18):
be responsible.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Yeah, I didn't need to be asked twice.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
So here's this opportunity. Then the head coach role come
a little sooner than you expected it might if you
expected it at all.

Speaker 12 (29:30):
Look, I think Clayton's situation changed probably twelve months earlier
then he thought. But that kind of happened sometimes, and obviously,
you know, the quality of service lent to service that
he had and the transparency allowed him to take up

(29:52):
that opportunity oversea.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
So it did shift the.

Speaker 12 (29:54):
Timeline for the Chiefs organization a little bit, but certainly
just from my point of view, like I said, I
was probably focused on just trying to get my role
nailed on and trying to add value to the overall program.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Really.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
So, now you know you are moving into the top job,
how will you go about achieving the balance so of
continuing the things that have been working so well under
Clayton McMillan and stamping your own mark on this team.

Speaker 12 (30:23):
I think it starts with making sure that we protect
the real core things that have clearly worked, protecting the
way that they prepare for things.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
And there's just some.

Speaker 12 (30:36):
Obviously environmental things that are unique to the Chiefs that
you must protect and they need to stay in the
core and they need to be your true north on
your compass. So we all for you to get in
difficulty or we're not quite sure, we can always revert
back to a few core things and find the solutions
in there. So I guess that's what you protect and

(30:58):
you keep hold of. I guess stamping your own mark
is around how you can evolve, challenge the group in
a different way and you know, put in focus maybe
a couple of different things, but in a in the
chief's way, and I think protecting that chiefs way is

(31:19):
pretty important.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Are there any challenges John around going from an assistant
coach to a head coach with essentially the same playing
group and the relationships and how they might change with
those players from one role to the other.

Speaker 12 (31:34):
I think I've been lucky enough and the other experiences
that I've had overseas that you know, you can see
the importance of the relationships and the authenticity of the person.
That's what counts the most, not the actual titles.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
So I guess for me, you know, I've been lucky
enough to work.

Speaker 12 (32:01):
At the Chiefs, and there's great people at the Chiefs,
both in the playing roster and in the environm So
I guess for me, it's not around changing just because
the job titles changed, but actually continue to connect with them,
challenge them, turn up, be consistent for them, and be authentic.

(32:24):
I guess that's really how I see the challenge.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Three Grand Finals in three years without winning one, and
we're talking small margins here. How do you plan? How
do you strategize to get the Chiefs over the line
and win one of these things?

Speaker 12 (32:38):
Well, I think, first of all, I'm really grateful for
the opportunity to work on the small margins. The previous
roles that I've had, or the previous clubs that I've
been at. My remit has been around rebuilding a roster,
building a program, starting a fresh.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
All sorts of things like that.

Speaker 12 (32:59):
So for me to be able to lead a program
that's looking at the moors, the margins and working in
that minutia for you know, trying to trying to you know,
take that last little step, I'm really grateful for that opportunity.
I understand the expectations and the pressure that goes with that,

(33:22):
but you know, on a personal level, I think it's
a great opportunity and a great challenge.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Do you talk with your players about their all blacks aspirations?

Speaker 12 (33:32):
I think as an assistant coach, there is an expectation
that our coaching, our environment, our detail, all that sort
of thing is is all geared towards taking players to
the next level.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
So it's almost.

Speaker 12 (33:52):
It's an unwritten expectation. It's a very demanding environment. Our
Chiefs players are demanding and they put, you know, some
high expectations on the coaching stuff. But that's also for us,
is that we get to work with players that are ambitious,

(34:13):
that are driven, that want to be successful in their
own individual careers whilst creating a.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
Really strong collective.

Speaker 12 (34:21):
So I think there's been some great stories in the
Chiefs over the last few years around that environment, that
consistency of things, that process which has elevated players to.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
The next level.

Speaker 12 (34:32):
And again Saturday night, you know quite a few Chiefs
guys getting the taste of All Black rugby that motivates
us all.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
And how does the relationship work. And I'll give you
a specific example. Well, the guy like too, Paul Vai,
if his best use for you is at lock but
the All Blacks coaches want them to play at six
do you feel any pressure in a scenario like that.

Speaker 12 (34:58):
I think the good thing about New Zealand working in
the system that it's not either or conversation. It's normally
really collaborative. From what I can see when the All
Black coaches have come into the chief environment, it's.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
A pretty open exchange.

Speaker 12 (35:17):
It's a sharing of point of view and it's trying
to find what works best.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
What I would say, and I was.

Speaker 12 (35:24):
Asked that question today in the media, is you know,
from our point of view, we can see that Toopoo
can do a lot of good things on the field,
either in the lock or in the sixth position. You know,
he's established himself as a as an international standard.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Player, no doubt about that.

Speaker 12 (35:43):
And you know he's able to influence the game in
either position. So I'm just really grateful he post for
us that we have that type of player in our pack.
And like I said, those conversations with Razor and his staff,
from what I've seen, it's not either or type situation.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Kind to find the best for both teams.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
And how did Beaver know about this before anybody else?

Speaker 12 (36:13):
He just took a wild guess. I would imagine, Well,
it wouldn't be the first one.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
It wouldn't be the first one.

Speaker 12 (36:21):
Yeah, No, I don't know. He must have some Well
it's Beaver. He's probably got some high level on the
board level friends, so he's got a big impact.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
He does, Indeed, he doesn't need John No. Congrats on
the role mate, A real feather in your cap and
a continuation of your coaching career. All the best as
you plan for twenty twenty six. Thanks for chatting to us.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
Yeah, thank you appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I appreciate you joining us. John Ogibbs new head coach
of the Chiefs. Can he be the one to get
them across the line? It is coming up fourteen away
from eight. We'll take a break, come back and rate
the Weekend Piney's Power Rankings. After this ranking, Yeah, let's

(37:06):
rite the week ken, shall we time for Piney's Power rankings,
the best, the worst and the in between. But it's
from our sporting weekend. Ten of the Wallabies putting up
a pretty meek showing in the first Test against the
British and Irish Lions, and the Lives.

Speaker 8 (37:21):
Stay unbeaten in Brisbane and.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Put one hand on a Tom Fricke Cup. He got
both hands on there, a three mil clean sweep and
coming surely. French cyclist Julian alah Philippe with an eventful
weekend on the Tour de France. First of all, snatching
a sign from a fan to use as insulation.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Philip, He's getting some cardboard to put down his jersey.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
I reckon, Yep, he did old school Jillian Ala Philippe.

Speaker 12 (37:52):
He's only got a jile on thumbs up.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Then dislocating his shoulder on the next stage, only to
fight back and win it, or so he thought. Anah
Philippe celebrating a little bit. He seems pretty happy with
our sprints.

Speaker 12 (38:04):
I don't know if he thought that he was in
the rueful or not.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I think Jerne Alla fleet might have thought he won
the stage. Yeah, he was actually third in the stage
Coldplay concert ceo canoodling not sport as such, but still
gets a spot on the Power rankings for giving us
a full weekend of entertainment. Seven seven are our black Foils.

Speaker 13 (38:33):
Just like that, Pete Burley shows the rest of the
fleet who's in charge. It will be the Chiei's the black.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Foils back on top of the sale GP leaderboard after
victory at the latest events in Portsmouth. Six Scotty Cheffler,
Welsh number one golfer victory at the Open Championship, the champion.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
Golfer, Scotti Chefler, the Celton his career and your saffelt
today it was all learn much to obtainment.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
He put a claimed the religious plays in golf. Yeah,
untouchable at the moment. Has fourth made victory to go
with two Masters and a PGA Championship as well. Into
the top half where we find the All Blacks getting
it done against France.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
That is full time.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Well they've done it the hardway tonight.

Speaker 12 (39:17):
The All Blacks have had to come from behind and
they whitewash the French to open season twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
But Tougher challenges absolutely lie ahead for the Wellington Phoenix,
and in particular they are academy kids securing the side
are one mil win over Wrexham Regsam.

Speaker 8 (39:39):
They may be a fairy tale story, but some dreams
have come true for the Phoenix.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Tonight you had the future looking very bright for the Knicks.
Free the Wellington Saints to it.

Speaker 8 (39:52):
The Saints Marsh.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Time National Basketball League champions the Saints for the thirteenth time.
Paul Vaulter Olivia McTaggart.

Speaker 13 (40:06):
McTaggart at the second time of asking goes clear and
is now the competition leader.

Speaker 12 (40:12):
Here.

Speaker 13 (40:12):
It's a lifetime best as well in difficult conditions. Wow,
what a time to produce your best ever effort.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
A personal best of four point seventy three meters and
victory in the women's pole vault at the Diamond League
events in London For Olivia mctaggarts, who else but liquor
the RecA Holy Liquor Lequa Hellaesema with one of the
plays of the year to snatch nurl victory for the
Warriors against Newcastles.

Speaker 8 (40:40):
He gets his shut tents. It's shuts up ers shut
Tico Helisaba place Taska two Pandasmen rugby like the Fat.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Pope commentary to match and feel about the power rankings tonight,
Yeah they're pretty good, Piney. Really shows how big this
cold play things go on, that it's infiltrated our Sports
exclusive rankings of the weekend, I might say, indeed, and

(41:22):
I must say, you have been very magnanimous given the
fact that Lakuahella Seema's winning try was against your team. Yeah, thanks, Piney.
That's all that's all to sday.

Speaker 8 (41:34):
Can we move it on?

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Please?

Speaker 9 (41:35):
We can?

Speaker 4 (41:36):
We can move it on.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Finey's Power Rankings return same time next Monday night. Final
word on email from Leon Piney. If you consider the
warriors last seven games, as you alluded to, they only
play one team that's above them, the Bulldogs. The other
six are against much weaker sides, even playing the worst
team twice that's the Titans. If they don't at least
maintain their current spot on the latter I guess it

(41:59):
won't be their year. End of the day is history
shows it's hard to see them beating the three teams
ahead of them, as well as the far finishing Broncos
and Panthers. When it really matters the most interesting seven
games ahead, Leon, Thank you for your correspondence, Thank you
for listening in folks, it's been a pleasure bringing you
the show tonight. Thanks to Annie McDonald for superb production.
As always, enjoy a couple of days off, mate, Darcy

(42:21):
Walter Gravers back tomorrow night. You'll be pleased today and
we'll see you on Saturday for weekend sport. Thanks for listening.
Have a good night, Marcus lash after eight pyvee and out.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
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