July 28, 2025 • 42 mins
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Newstalk ZB rugby editor Elliott Smith on all the ALl Blacks injured through the France series
Talkback - Should the Wallabies have got a penalty in that Lions game? And what should Razor do about all his injuries?
The Roar rugby editor Christy Doran on the contentious loss to the Lions and whether the Wallabies will be a threat to the All Blacks in the Bledisloe Cup.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Talk on News Talk ZB for July twenty eight. Happy
birthday to these people. So Garfield, Sobers, Harry Kane and
Jacob Orram. I'm Jason pineshow producer tonight and Smillicitch. We
are here until eight talking sport. The Wallabies are still
licking their wounds after a heartbreaker at the MCG on
(00:45):
Saturday night, losing to the British and Irish Lions twenty
nine to twenty six, having lead for the entire game
until right at the end. They're still major conjecture, of course,
about the end of the game. When the Lions scored
their winning try, the Aussies thought there man Carlo Tazano
had been illegally cleaned out by Lions reserve flanker Jack Morgan.
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The referees consulted, they disagreed, and the Trish stood. Now
there are still people who are absolutely adamant today the
penalty should have been given and they will not be
swayed from that view. Others are equally steadfast in their
opinion that it was a fair cleanout. We can chat
about that tonight if you like. I'm sure you've seen
(01:27):
the incident. The big controversy, I think is the fact
that we're still unsure about the rules. It's not black
and white. The other respect of this that I'm quite
keen to tap into your thoughts on is do the
Wallabies actually look like they could be quite good? Might
they actually be a shout of winning back the Bledislow
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Cup this year? Against them is the fact that it's
only a two test proposition and the first of those
Test matches is here in New Zealand. In fact, it's
at Eden Park, where as we know, nobody is won
for a very very very long time. Australia themselves haven't
won a Test match in Australia in New Zealand since
I think two thousand and one might have mean the
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last one. It's certainly a very long time ago since
they last won a Test match in New Zealand. So
might they on the evidence of the other night present
a stiffer challenge for raisers lot. Your thoughts are welcome,
Ozzie Rugby journo Christy Dorn is also going to join
us with his views tonight. Meantime, the All Blacks themselves
(02:30):
have confirmed several injuries ahead of the Rugby Championship starting
next month. Some of these injuries will keep certain players
out and a couple of fairly important players as well.
Others will heal, we're told in time for the start
of the Rugby Championship. So Rugby editor Elliot Smith's gonna
pop into the studio shortly to Phillison on who's definitely
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out and who is in the recovery ward and Monday nights,
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Speaker 2 (03:29):
As mentioned, the All Blacks have confirmed several injury blows
ahead of the Rugby Championship, which starts in less than
three weeks. Rugby editor Elliott Smith has popped into the
studio to Phillison. Let's start with those, Elliott, who are
unlikely to feature in the Rugby Championship. Who are the
longest term casualties.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Well, the most serious one in terms of length of
time out pinety is Noah Hotham. He will need surgery
on a high ankle sprain. You and I both saw
it at the end of that third Test against France.
He sat on the turf at if Injury standing in
Wakatto for a number of minutes getting treatment and it
didn't look good on the night and he's now going
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to need to be out for US seven to eight weeks,
so they will need another half back for this tour
of Argentina and beyond. He's the most serious in terms
of weeks to throw Lomax, which is probably in terms
of a first choice player, the most worrying for the
All Blacks losing a first choice player is out for
five to six weeks. He's had surgery on a hand fracture,
so he suffered that in that same game against France
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in Hamilton as well. Of course it was his first
game of the series, so a blow for to Roll
Lomax and not being there. And Luke Jacobson, who of
course has ruled out in the minutes before kickoff in
that third and final Test in Hamilton, is out for
five weeks with a thigh injury, so frustrating for Luke
Jacobson was going to get his opportunity in that game.
Now on the sidelines for five weeks or so. So
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you look at those group of players and they'll all
be out for at least the opener opening two games
of the Rank B Championship. Hoth them, we'll be out
for probably the entirety of the tournament. By the time
he gets back, you would have to say, Kayla Clark's
the other one. We knew about that, but he's out
for five to six weeks as well. So four players
there that will miss at least the opening two games
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and probably a little bit longer among them for the
All Blacks, which is a real blow for Scott Robinson and.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Go indeed, okay, before I ask you about who might
come in for those players, what about those who are
carrying injuries which are I guess more likely to be
fixed by the time the Rugby Championship gets underway and
what about three weeks time.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah, some positives news there. As you say three weeks time,
twenty days away from that first test against Argentina in Cordoba.
Scott Barrett's three weeks away. He spoke to the country
here on news Talk zeb last week and indicated that
he was tracking pretty well. So a positive there. Wallace
the Tito, who we haven't seen with the All Blacks
this year with that injury suffered Lad in the Chiefs
campaign high ankle injury three weeks away himself to Mighty
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Williams again miss the French series. He's three weeks away,
so they're they're all there or they'reabouts to the opening
test against the Argentinians in Cordoba. Then boone and bar
and two po I with a hand injury and concussion
protocols respectively for two weeks, so you'd say they'll be
ready to go for that opening game against Argentina. But
boy boy, look at that Andrew list. I think it's
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nine strong that they've had to deal with and juggle
and obviously going to have to call in some replacements.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Piny, Yeah, after only three tests as well. It's quite
the casualty Ward Okay, let's talk replacements. Let's talk Noah
Hotham's replacement at half back, because it felt and I
know you spoke about this with Liam Napier on the
Right By Direct podcast as though it was Roy Guard
I'd have to Hotham and then quite the gap back?
Are we back to the well with Finlay? Christy? Is
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he the next one?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
That is a fascinating question, Piney, whether he is the
next one. Trotted out for Tasman and pre season against
Southland and christ Church last week he had forty minutes
along with the Mitch Drummond who replaced him. After that,
it would get another go around against Bay of Plenty
this week. N's I think Scott Robinson's going to have
a really close look at the NPC this weekend across
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a number of teams. Christie seems like the of the contender,
but there's an ointment flying the ointment here that over
the weekend he was linked with the potential moved to
Newcastle in the English Premiership. Now that is potentially if
he signs, that would obviously be the end of his
all Blacks hopes and maybe you know he's got Scottish heritage.
He's one year into a you know, a theoretical standdown
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at the moment. So whether he has designs on playing
for Scotland at the twenty twenty seven World Cup, whether
he's willing to come in and be the under study
for the All Blacks, that is a fascinating subplot if
indeed they do pick him. But there's others around, you know,
Xavier Rowe out of Waycotto as a contender, Kyle Preston
from Wellington had a good, good Super Rugby season with
the Crusaders, Tolfafu Naki maybe another player with looking back
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as well, So there are some contenders for Fuckatava's played
two tests for the All Blacks as well. There are
a number of contenders, but no one standing up and
saying pick me, which is why you know, for this
opening round to the NPC there could be a lot
riding on it in terms of an All Blacks call up.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
All right, the other positions they seem more obvious on
the wing with Caleb Clark not there in morning, Nune
of would joined the team, didn't he and even played
the second test? Are we looking at none of just
staying with the squad.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I would have to say so, yeah, I think he'll
get his opportunity once again. He played in Argentina two
years ago. Matta's debut there in Mendoza I think is
worthy of another look. It would be interested to see
whether maybe they think they need another outside back as well.
When it comes to selecting the squad of thirty six,
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they're going to have to add a couple of extra
players in the max, probably another loose forward as well.
So there's some real questions around the balance of the squad.
There was a lot of questions when they selected this
French squad. Did they have the balance right, Do they
have right number of midfielders, do they have right number
of outside backs? That they have the right number of
loose forwards. That's going to you know, the squeeze is
really going to come on, I guess in terms of
the selecting this squad of thirty six, which is due
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out a week today for the Rugby Championship, just on
the balance given they are going for two weeks away
in Argentina, and you know, the lucture of being in
New Zealand as you can get someone on playing pretty quickly.
Can't so much do that when you're over in South America.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
All right, and the loose forwards Wallace a Titti coming
back probably adding one. Ethan Blackadder would need to be
near the front of that queue, wouldn't he.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I would say so absolutely. Don Property came into camp
as well, so whether he's part of that thirty six
that you're looking at, he's going to get some game
time for Counties Monaco this week. I would say Ethan
Blackada be right in the mix for them, given his
ability to cover six seven for the All Blacks, probably
eight of a pushel though you definitely wouldn't want to
start him there in a Test match, but if things
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conspire that you had to put him there, you could
probably put him there. So they're going to have to
look at an extra cover there. I would say Blackadder
would be at the front of that queue. Wallace a
Titi obviously due back as well for the Rugby Championship
as well, but they will need that extra body. I'd
say Blackadder'd be right there all right.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And just to finish in the front row with Tyrell
Lomax out, Fletcher Yowel has been playing very well for
both the Crusaders and the All Blacks, and in fact
started the Tests and Dnedi and Wellington in the Three
Jersey before Lomax came back, and I guess they've got
passili O Toossi. They've got to mighty Williams coming back
with his ability to play both sides. Would they have
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to add another prop as well?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I would think they'd have to add another prop just
for security sake. Again, going away, going abroad for such
a length of time, I think they need a little
bit of depth. Pussilo Toss is going to get some
game time obviously this week, but similar to the halfback,
there's a number of contenders out there around New Zealand
at the moment, but no one really screaming and putting
their hands up for selection. Angus has been part of
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the mix before, obviously for the All Blacks and not
for a couple of years now, but he might be
someone they look at. There's been other contenders as well,
but you're really getting into the backups to the backups
of Super Rugby teams at the moment given the injury list.
So look, maybe Jace Ryan's Carston Iron and found someone
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through the mix through the season Super Rugby season that
is keen to get an eye on, but you'd have
to say there's no one jumping up and putting their
ends up at the stage. George Dyer, I would say
would be a contender out of the Chiefs. But beyond that,
you know, there's not a lot of obvious, tightly proper
replacements there for Trollo.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Max all Right Rugby Championship squad named on Monday.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Is it a week today was yes, we believe so.
So there's going to be some chances of players to
play NBC this weekend and as I say, perhaps some
last minute auditions for Scott Robertson and his selectors over
the course of the four days of rugby from Thursday night.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Great update, Elliott, thanks for stopping in tonight, Jess Minnie,
thank you mate. That is Elliot Smith, our rugby editor
and lead commentator. With the news out of the All
Blacks camp about injuries, et cetera. You might have some
views on who should come in, who the biggest losses are.
I think that Tyree lomax one is definitely a big
big loss, although Fletcher yul has been playing well in
the occasions that he started. But you need to, don't
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you need to? It's a it's a four prop game.
These days eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two
nine two one text and we can talk some some
Linesutralia as well. Kevin has been holding on, so I
don't want to keep you waiting too much longer. Kevin,
have you managed to break down what happened on Saturday
night at the end of that game?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Yes, I'm gonna talk about that and the Scott Robertson's
four deep mentality. Now, the first topic is the Lions
game at the mcg or. It took me a couple
of times to what's not only the Aussie commentary but
also that the English coverage. Who I've I had to
watch it from the English and then to watch the
Audie game again to understand what we're there going done.
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But at the end I do feel that I'm not
a rug big rugby person, but the Odie the Aussie's
got thee today big time.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Well they think they did, Yes, they think they did.
And there's a large school of thought to say, Kevin,
that they did because there is quite a bit of
evidence that Jack Morgan coming in makes contact with Carlo
Tizzano's neck and as soon as you do that, all
bets are off. If you hit somebody above the shoulder line,
it is at the bear minimum a penalty and beyond
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that a yellow or sometimes even a red card. So
that is that is, that's the Australian point of view.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
And of course did Scott Robinson say something about four
deep in the He said of sound something about the
all blacks the tealent polt was And I did say
something on this on one of your shows earner this year.
Maybe try instead of four, go six, look like a
top six in each position.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, well, I mean you really would be starting to
get down into some players there. Yeah, he said four
deep over the next four years to win the World
Cup for the fourth time. It's kind of a I guess,
a catchy little four four four, But yeah, Kevin, do
you reckon? We could go six deep in some positions?
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Who knows? But maybe who knows and we could Let's
find out if there is actually six deep instead of
four deep. But four deep it's lots pretty shallow, but
I think six deep maybe can cover Scott Robertson's backside.
At least it can company all black bat sides. If
some of your first and second choice are out, where's
your third, fourth, fifth, and sixth.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I'm sure he would love six. He'd loves Kevin, he
would love six. I think he's being a little bit
more realistic around four. I mean, I'd have trouble now
right now naming six hookers, for example, or six half backs.
Even I could name six half backs, but would they
be ready for the All Blacks. The other part of
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it is when you're trying to create depth, you have
to give those players game time and there are only
a certain number of tests that you can do that
even to get even to get four deep, to get
six deep, you really are shofting things around. I love
the way you're thinking, and I'm sure he'd love to
have six players in each position ready to play test rugby.
And how realistic it is.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
What about the later in the year, especially when they're
doing the first Grand Slam Tour in what that then years,
especially especially if the backs will be doing the Grand
Slam Tour, where six step for me, I said, six
step comes in big time, not four?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
All right, Kevin, it's a it's a it's an optimistic goal.
I don't mind it. And if we get to the
World Cup in Australia in twenty twenty seven and Scott
Robertson has what would that be ninety players who he
believes are ready to play test rugby, you know, at
a World Cup, then I think he would be delighted.
I think it's more realistic that he can get sixty
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players four deep in the in the fifteen positions. But
I like the way you're thinking. Thanks for calling in, Mark, good,
thanks Matt.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
Yeah, and not a hope and how we're going to
have six tape in every promision.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I think you're right. I don't mind the optimism, but
I think it might be a little bit unrealistic.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Yeah, big of the lines, Yeah, touching guy, it's not
a penalty, it's it's a content sport. It was I mean,
what the line's got I meant to do though he's
plating them out. It was pretty simultaneous, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Well? Why yeah, Tazana, Yeah, Tazano is there first, but
only just there first, So you're right. Morgan arrives and
makes the decision to clean him out, which he is
quite entitled to do. What he's not entitled to do
is make contact anywhere above the shoulder line, and if
he if he in that split second realizes he can't,
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then he shouldn't blow through. He made the decision that
he thought he could. And look, I mean again, I don't.
I don't know the fact that we're even talking about
it shows how much gray area there is, because there
is a school of thought and and I you know,
and I don't think it's that far fetched that actually
it was fair. He you know, he might have got
him sort of around the shoulders rather than on the
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neck itself. I think the fact that Tazano threw himself
backwards rather theatrically didn't actually help his cause. I know
that doesn't isn't supposed to come into it, but I
just think, you know, it looked as though he was
trying to milk something, and I wonder whether that actually
worked against him.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Yeah, now I think the right decision was made to
be for you, great test Ozzie should never you know
that well, you know, well twenty two five up? You know, wow,
And then you know that Michael Liner what's his name?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So that Tom Tom Yeah, Tom Tom Lner yep, Tom.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Yeah, has has knock on after that high cat constant
that that eventually led to a try. But hey, Ozzies
are looking good. I like that and the faking their
skeld from there and the other big sacks. They look
bloody good.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Is yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I agree, Mark, and I hope they are good because
I want to see. I don't want us to lose
a bit slow up obviously, but I want them to
give it a crack and and also want them to
beat the Lions next week in the third Test. Good
to check him mate, Thanks indeed. Yeah, And you know
you can't say that that that that incident in the
end cost them the game. Yes you can. You can
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in one way. You can say if the penalty was given,
the Lions wouldn't have scored, Ozzie would have got kicked
it out. They would have the Test. But they were
twenty three to five ahead. They let the lines come
back from an eighteen point deficit. So maybe that's where
they should be focusing their attention. Seven five oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty our number couple of talking
points from the weekend's rugby. We'll take a break, comeback
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Speaker 2 (19:44):
Seven twenty nine. Hello, peterk.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Yeah, just about just continuing our hit Lions thing for
a start. It was a really good game. I think
it's the best Test match of the year and the
Wallabies will be a real threat this year, even playing
at Eton Park because that who doo might go anywhere
if the swing box come here.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
We mustily with But you want go back to zero?
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Yeah, that's right, that's right. Let's hope not. But yeah,
that that clean out. I was watching the rugby program
on TV that they had a couple of Stephen Donald Mills.
Was that Rugby Nation something like the breakdown? Yeah, the breakdown? Yeah,
And a couple of them thought it was a penalty.
Angus Tarvale is a forward thought. It was a fair
clean out given that they arrived virtually the same time,
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maybe a split seconds. He got the split second ahead
of the Lions player and the line the Wallaby flannel
was so low to the ground that that they said
that when the lines guy came and he was he
could virtually eat grass, that's how well he was, and
everything he could he couldn't get under his shoulders virtually.
And it was and if you looked at that, if
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you looked at all the other rucks and you could
firsually get a penalty from every breakdown in rugby. Yeah,
the game, I know what you mean by technical in
a slow motion and you can say this and that
and again. When the Assie player threw himself back was
holding his head, there was no contact to his head.
You can tell that. You can tell that he was
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showburting a little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, I'm not sure that helped him. And you're right.
And it's a split second decision, has said before by
Jack Morgan, the Lions player. If he doesn't think he
can get low enough, then he has to pull out.
He can't go in because.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
He was limited.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, and he made the decision. He made you're right.
He made the decision because they're desperate for the try.
He's I'm sure in his head, I'm going to do
everything i can to keep this ball recycled for us.
He's you're right, he's committed. He's come in and look,
has he made contact with the with the neck? Perhaps
he has, And so there that is why, that is
why we're having the discussion and why some people Peter
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at adamant that it was a penalty and others are
saying no it was not, which, as I say, makes
it an interesting discussion when we don't actually know what
the rule is. But yeah, it's good. It's kept us
chatting for a wee while anyway, hasn't it It has?
Speaker 7 (22:03):
Indeed it has indeed. Yeah, but yeah, the Lion, the Lions.
You know, I think they scored five tries that the wall.
We should be fatuting on what happened before that incident. Yeah,
you know, stopping stopping those lines, tries, stopping giving away
some of the buildies that they gave away, et cetera,
et cetera. You know, you got to look at it
an eighty minute game, not a not a one second,
one one cleanout game over the Holy and I think
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the obvious Well, when they settle down to it, they'll
they'll realize that Horn thought it was fifty to fifty.
He is a very respected Australian rugged man. Yeah, he
was coming up and down.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, no, you're right, Pet, And I think that's it.
They led for seventy nine and a half minutes of
their game, so yeah, to say that they were doubted
at the end, yeah, maybe the examination needs to be
the previous seventy nine minutes and how they threw away
a twenty three to five lead and as you say,
leaked all of those tries. Good to Chetty, you mate,
thanks for calling in, can I Conrad?
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Yeah, high plane, Yeah hey look come yeah, it's just
it is tough for rugby. I think, you know, if
people look at the laws and so forth, I think
rugby has great areas that I think the fault blot
that the IRB they need to sport out this kind
of scenario. I mean, I've been spending the last two
years looking at minimum yellow Is it a read?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yes, Conrad, and that's no.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
They've basically they have made the neck and head sacracinct.
So any contact incidental, accidental, deliberate, or somewhere in between
is as you say, it's almost like it's a yellow card. Minimum.
It's definitely a penalty. So that's why the confusion reigns
about Saturday night.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
I think that's true.
Speaker 9 (23:41):
So there's two other points, well, to don't disuit the affairs. Therefore,
if you're asking a question, who got their first, well
the Aussie did, right, Yeah, I didn't have. The third
part is that this is an interesting thing about rugby
and is what I mean.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
We have a situation in rugby where if there's a
triumph board they go back to a knock on and
say five phases area. But sometimes in general play, if
there's a great fifty between two or something, they don't
they don't go back to the knock on the there're
three ways, await.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, only a try only in a try scoring situation, right,
do they go back?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, another anomally there.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
Yeah, but tried reverse. We had three sides we've had
we had tried reverse, but much less than that. I mean, yeah, anyway,
I just yeah, I just yeah. I just think it's rugby.
I mean, I know people did a lot of emotion
in the in straight out. It's pretty because it's such
a great game. But I just think that, you know,
we was a gray area in the Nippel game last night.
(24:37):
Were the gray area in the Warriors loss? I mean
I think, yeah, just yeah, were it there?
Speaker 10 (24:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
No, you're right, don't Conrad. Those other sports have it
over rugby. It's unequivocal, that's for sure. Just on twenty
six away from it, let's bring in rugby editor at
the Raw, Christy Doran. You can also hear Christy on
the ESPN Scrum podcast Christy, before we talk about the
threat the Aussies might present to the All Blacks later
in the year. Is there still a sense of deflation
(25:05):
among our rugby fans after Saturday night?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Oh, you better believe it.
Speaker 10 (25:10):
And you just have to look at some of the
headlines today with Phil Will talking about the fact that
he's demanding answers about how that decision at the end.
And I say that decision because I'm pretty sure most
of your listeners would have seen it, or at least
heard about it.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Carlo Tizzano being.
Speaker 10 (25:28):
Blasted off the ball but in an illegal fashion, and
we saw in the PostScript Joe Schmid, you know, and
I see them because of you know, he knows the
law book like the back of his hand, and he
referenced LAWD nine point two regularly throughout the PostScript. And
you can understand why, because this is all of his
team that has just needed a good news story, particularly
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on Australian shores. They beat England in front of eighty
thousand last year at Tickenham, but this was a moment
in front of a record crowd ninety thousand at the
MCG the biggest crowd in front of Alliance match and
to kind of not send the match into a serious
decider in Sydney this where there will be another eighty
two thousand. It's just a it's a great missed opportunity
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and it would have been the biggest win I think
on Australian Shaws since the two thousand and three semi final, when,
of course the wall of his dust is the All Blacks.
So it's a huge, huge miss Christy.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Where is the popularly held view? I mean, I think
most Australian jess would say, you know, it was a penalty.
I think most of our audience, yes today on the
radio here were of that same view. But the British
and Irish Lions fans obviously are equally adamant that there's
nothing to see here. What do you think the neutral things?
Do you think it was a penalty?
Speaker 10 (26:42):
I've got to When I first saw it, and I
even tweeted it, I said that, look, this is going
to test world drugged his medal because both players are
centimeters off the ground.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
You know, in the case of color.
Speaker 10 (26:52):
Desano, his head was probably touched in the ground, that's
how far past it. But he definitely had his hands
on the board to begin with, and he did have
you know, he was on his feet. He beat the
certainly beat Jack Morgan to the part, and that's the
key thing that he deserved the riots there because he's
got his hands over the ball. It's a really interesting
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comparison a couple of years ago when Brody Brittalic gets
you know, I think he got sent off for it
against Japan and an extremely similar case, almost identical, and
yet you know, a red card there and then not
even a penuity on this occasion.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I think Michael Hooper's right.
Speaker 10 (27:30):
If this moment is anywhere between the first and the
seventy fifth minute, I think you see that that's a
penalty and potentially even a yellow card. Unfortunately, we know
that the game is played in gray. Everyone wants a
black and white decision. Very rarely in rugby is that
the case. But I think you've got to actually admit
that that the law suggests and doesn't even suggest it.
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It says that it should have been a penalty. And
so that's the frustrating element to it. And on the
other hand, and I've just written a piece, there was
a couple of missed opportunities in that game, and Will
Skelton talked about it as well. You know, the fact
that Tom Liner drops the ball and then they scored
two trials before halftime, and then Joseph Acusi Suali when
it's there to be absolutely sewn up at twenty six seventeen,
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you know, midway through the second half, it gets blindsided slightly,
didn't catch him pass when he needed to and he
could have sent Tate McDermott over which would have probably
been an unassailable lead at that point in time. So
there was definitely missed opportunities. A huge step forward, but
it's also just feels like it's a half empty feeling
rather than half full.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, it's a great summary those incidents. Notwithstanding, it was
certainly an improvement on Brisbane, wasn't it. Where did you
see the big improvements from the Wallabies in Melbourne Without.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
A shadow of doubt.
Speaker 10 (28:48):
It's the physicality, It's the sting that came and they
were ready for a fight. You know we saw on
the first half in Brisbane not only were they totally
physically outmuscled and bullied by the Lions, we saw a
moments where Tom Curry is sitting at Wallaby and Tomliner
in the air and you know the Wallabies are just
sitting back and you know there's no protection, there's no
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fight there, there's no going into fight and battle for
a bloke plant on his starting test a boo. That
was the complete contrast at the MCG that they were
there from the moment from the outset. Even Will Skelton,
I know that he gave a had a stern warning
delivered to him when he hit take furlong slightly late
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when there was a knock on in the build up
to it. But that was a moment there early in
the first half which just said hang on where here?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
And yes, the lines scored.
Speaker 10 (29:38):
A second later, but you know, a couple of trials
later and the Wallabies just out muscled them. You know,
Rob Vaalatini, Will Skelton, we saw Dave Pereki come back,
and yes he's not the man laying on the big shots,
but collectively the line the Wallabies walked taller, I think,
and we saw that, and I think a lot of
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people were going, was Rob Balatine come off at halftime?
Was he not returned on the field? And a lot
more people and respected Wallaby's have been asking that over
the last twenty four hours or so, thinking that he
should have been even though he was tightening up in
the Calf's the way to keep the big man going
and warm, and that's to put him on the bike.
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And people were saying that you shouldn't be thinking about
the spring box and the Rugby Championship was just a
couple of weeks away. They needed to win that test
and unfortunately when he and Skelton walked off, the Wallabies
didn't really fire a shot in the last half an
hour where they needed to land one more blow and
they simply couldn't.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Does Tom Liner appeal as the long term first five
for Australia to you?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I think so.
Speaker 10 (30:45):
And the fact that they didn't turn to Ben Donaldson,
a bloke with about twenty tests experience of World Cup
campaign under his belt, the fact he didn't even get
on on Saturday night suggest that the Wallabies don't necessarily
trust him the management a twenty five year old, as
I say, with some tests under his belt. Outside of that,
Nolla is going to be into Japan later this year.
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It's very unlikely that he will come back in twenty seven.
And then outside of that, you know, the Folies, the
James O'Connors, they're thirty five now. If they were ever
going to play a test again for the Wall of
it was during this series. So I think it is
a Tomliner unless they go out there and sign a
big name regular league player, which I don't think is
about to occur. I think they saw that this was
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an opportunity to develop Tomliner on the biggest stage against
the Lions side.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
You've got to question the timing of that.
Speaker 10 (31:42):
But at the same time, I think we've seen that
he's pretty unflappable. He's got a very composed head, got
a reasonable skill set and I think he's a reasonable
player to build the side around. Is he ever going
to be a rich Humuhwonga and an absolutely boss and
commanded a game or an old Farrell? I'm not sure
given his quiet nature, but I think he's a very
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competent ten.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
All right, So looking ahead, Chris, the Test three against
the British and Irish line Sydney this coming Saturday. Then
it's two tests, tough tests away in South Africa joe
Burg and Cape Town, back home for tests against Argentina
and then home and away against the All Blacks for
the Blettersloe Cup. A big part of me actually wishes
this was the other way around. The first came in
Perth and the second at Eden Park in Auckland. But
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even given that, how strongly do you perceive the Wallabies
could challenge the All Blacks for the bleeders Low Cup
this year?
Speaker 10 (32:34):
I just hope that the Wallabies aren't limping into that
series because they need some momentum and All Bokes found
out last year just how hard it is to win
a Test in South Africa. You know, they were two
of the great Tests matches and a mini series and
they didn't come away with a win. Now, if the
Wallabies go there and they lose, they come back and
it's almost a must win territory against Argentina, you know,
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not so much to win silverware, but for pride and
honor and momentum ahead of the twenty seven World Cup.
It will be tough though, because will they be walking
wounded off the back of the South African tour. So
I preface talking about the blood slow with that, because,
as you've mentioned, very difficult to.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Go to New Zealand to beat the All Blacks.
Speaker 10 (33:17):
All haven't done it since two thousand and one win
across the ditch, So I just hope that they're not
going in there when they're down five or six blokes.
My understanding is will Scots not even going to be
there given some matches full outside of the international window.
Plus he's just had such a long year up in
the French top fourteen, so already some of the big
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games are going to be missing. You know, is a
Langy Gleson up in France at that time? You know
where's Tom Hooper? So I don't know if they will
challenge the All Blacks. I thought last year was a
golden opportunity to do that and they came within striking
distance at the death in Sydney after a really sleepy
start in Sydney. But this looks like an All Black
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side second year under Scott Robinson, which would be a
much sterner test. We already saw even though that the
French or a third string team.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
You know that they've got depth.
Speaker 10 (34:10):
Just as much as South Africa, I think in terms
of how big it is, so they'll be much hardened
after already coming up against South African Argentina. It's going
to be an almighty year for the Wallabies. I just
hope as I say that they're standing there and that
they can go in there with a glimmer of hope.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Interesting times. Indeed, thanks so much for your time tonight, Christy.
Really appreciate you taking our call.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
You joy your evening, cheers, You enjoy yours too, Christy.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Thanks indeed. Christy Duran he's editor of The Raw. Hear
him on the ESPN Scrum podcast as well with some
interesting thoughts. I hadn't even really thought of that until
we started chatting that by the time the bledder Slow
Cup rolls around the Australians, what I had a heck
of a lot of rugby. You think about these three
tests against the British and Irish Lions, massive occasions, and
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then they've got to go to South Africa and play
twice over there, a couple of games at home against
Argentina before they even get to the Bledisloe. So you know,
we'll talk about the injuries before that. The All Blacks
have had us to just three Test matches and you
wonder about fatigue and the impact on some of those
key Australian players off the back of some big, big
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Test matches before we even get to the Bledisloe Cup.
Speaking of the All Blacks, just before we go to
the break, there are some turning out for their provincial
teams this weekend. Auckland White Cuttle. They open the MPC
on Thursday night at Eden Park. Anton Lennart Brown available
for White Cuttle. When Wellington played Canterbury at Polydor Park
on Saturday afternoon, Reuben Love is available for Wellington. Broughty
mckellister for Canterbury. Later on in Vericago, South London v
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Otago Christian Leo Willy is available to play for Otago,
Bay of Plenty, Tasman Toad on a Sunday afternoon. M Morne,
Nadawah and Pasili or Tossi can play for Bay of
Plenty and Tasman can call on to Mothy Tava, Tava,
Nahway and Hawk's Bay Counties on Sunday afternoon and Napier
Dalton Papalee is available for counties Manical if required. Five
(36:06):
We'll take a break, come back and rate the weekend
party's power rankings. After this rankings way, okay, let's rate
the weekend Partey's power rankings the best, the worst and
(36:27):
the bits in between. From the Sporting Weekend let's go.
The Warriors are stumble at home against the bottom side
and the Titans come to Wookland.
Speaker 11 (36:37):
That's Umbus and des Hassen and it's five hundred game.
As an NRL coach, this SNE's gonna feel really super.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Sweep for him.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
As the Titans come to Wooplano will win.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
They're casting further doubts on the Warriors' top four credential side.
The end of the second rugby Test between the British
and Irish lines and the Wallaby's on Saturday night a
controversial penalty not given. They were not happy at all
an Australian Rugby circle, but the.
Speaker 12 (37:07):
End is a penalty to the Wallabies and the referees
were too weak to give it. It doesn't matter you
cannot hit a guy in the back of the neck.
The referees have got it roun. It has cost the
Wallaby survival in the series. The British and Irish Lions
lead this series to neil. It was brave to come
back from them, but it is a terrible decision to
(37:28):
decide this match.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
They're blowing up to Like's third Test coming up in
Sydney on Saturday. Joe Root is at eight, now second
on the all time Test run scoring list after his
century against India over the weekend. Hey god, not much
of the list is short.
Speaker 12 (37:48):
As he goes past the great Rickey Ponty, and it's
now only behind the great man such Mpingo coment.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
They're not bowing them, by the way, there's to this
m chanting root thirteen four hundred and nine runs now
only such in ten Dolka ahead seven women's football team
European champions again and so Chloe Cana winch England returning
to European Championship.
Speaker 13 (38:14):
Crown England are crowned Queens of Europeans.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
To a prodiga.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
The lion Is winning, Lioness Is winning three one on
penalties and the decider at Basel the scores level one
all at the end of extra time, Chloe Kelly knitting
the winning penalty, repeating her championship winning heroics from twenty
twenty two.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Six.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Taday Pagachia untouchable, the king of Littour again.
Speaker 11 (38:38):
Taday Peggacia wins his fourth Tour de France and he
was involved in every single bit of action right to.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
The end, a massive win by four and a half
minutes for pagatcha five New Zealand middle distance run of
Kimberley May winning bronze in the fifteen hundred meters at
the World University Games in Germany.
Speaker 13 (38:59):
But here comes Kimberley May on the outside wind. Can
she run light the wins again? Their first wind is
coming too. She's going to take it. There's going to
be a goal for Switzerland. Chilvert's going to hold on
for the silver medal and May gets the bronze medal
for New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Four.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Liam Lawson's at four to eighth of the Belgian Grand
Prix this morning.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Happy for the guys and girls. It was a tough race,
it's all. He's tricky when you have to cross over
onto a dreshio when it's damn four.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
More points in the bank for Lillam Lawson and crucially
finishing ahead of his racing balls teammate Isaac Hedger free
the Wellington Phoenix, negotiating a trip all the way to
Perth ninety minutes, then extra time, a delay for lightning
and a penalty shootout to eventually beat Perth Glory in
the Australia Cup.
Speaker 11 (39:49):
And the Wellington Phoenix are going through to the round
at sixteen of the Australia Cup. After one of the
most remarkable matches in this competition's history. It had just
about everything and it's the Knicks and not going through
to the last sixteen.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Lucas healed with the final penalty, the Knicks winning at
eighty seven on spot kicks two. The black Caps wrapping
up a perfect T twenty tri series with a thrilling
three run victory in the final against South Africa.
Speaker 13 (40:20):
Last delivery swing of the merse and New Zealand. They've
been the undefeata and they take home the victory and staff.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
The black Caps in Harari. Unbelievable, pretty good start to
Rob Walters, Rainer's head coach. Next up Test matches again.
Zimbabwe won the Tactics finally domestic net Ball champions game.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Over and the Tactics win it.
Speaker 11 (40:51):
They win it by twelve unbridled celebrations.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
From those in red and black.
Speaker 11 (40:58):
Oh the Tactics, they win it, making them a in
said Brilliership champions for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Did I forget anything? And I'm actually mostly happy with it?
This week I can't believe it. Lion Essens were a
bit low though, weren't they? I mean, when you I
was going to win like last week, didn't we Yeah?
I sort of, I kind of yeah, I sort of
tweaked around and changed my mind and sort of mid table.
I know what you're saying. Yeah, Pagachas was kind of
a fatal kompleat a top five. Yeah, it's a tricky
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one this week at work. Thanks ants, it's with us
and to have your approval. Piney's power rankings return next
Monday evening, coming up six, away from eight, coming up
three to eight. Marx Is Pinty know, Luke Littla, he
just won the World match Play worth a mention? Yeah,
here's worth a mension. Actually, Mark I should have probably
(41:50):
found room for him. So I had a nine data
the other night. Jason, if you're a line supporter, it's
not a penalty. If you're a Wallaby supporter, it's a penalty.
Bring on the third test and from Muzz Pineybury the penalty.
I wouldn't have given a penalty just for the soles
of the absolute Hollywood Tazano did embarrassing. Thanks mass, Thank
(42:11):
you for all your calls and correspondence tonight. Thanks for
listening and huge Thanks to Answer Melissa for producing the show.
Marcus Lush takes you through the rest of Monday after
eight o'clock. Darcy Watergrave back with Sports Talk tomorrow night
between seven and eight, and I'll catch you on Weekend
Sport this coming Saturday, midday through three. Hope you can
join us. Have a great week, see you then.
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Jacob Orram. I'm Jason pineshow producer tonight and Smillicitch. We
are here until eight talking sport. The Wallabies are still
licking their wounds after a heartbreaker at the MCG on
(00:45):
Saturday night, losing to the British and Irish Lions twenty
nine to twenty six, having lead for the entire game
until right at the end. They're still major conjecture, of course,
about the end of the game. When the Lions scored
their winning try, the Aussies thought there man Carlo Tazano
had been illegally cleaned out by Lions reserve flanker Jack Morgan.
(01:07):
The referees consulted, they disagreed, and the Trish stood. Now
there are still people who are absolutely adamant today the
penalty should have been given and they will not be
swayed from that view. Others are equally steadfast in their
opinion that it was a fair cleanout. We can chat
about that tonight if you like. I'm sure you've seen
(01:27):
the incident. The big controversy, I think is the fact
that we're still unsure about the rules. It's not black
and white. The other respect of this that I'm quite
keen to tap into your thoughts on is do the
Wallabies actually look like they could be quite good? Might
they actually be a shout of winning back the Bledislow
(01:48):
Cup this year? Against them is the fact that it's
only a two test proposition and the first of those
Test matches is here in New Zealand. In fact, it's
at Eden Park, where as we know, nobody is won
for a very very very long time. Australia themselves haven't
won a Test match in Australia in New Zealand since
I think two thousand and one might have mean the
(02:10):
last one. It's certainly a very long time ago since
they last won a Test match in New Zealand. So
might they on the evidence of the other night present
a stiffer challenge for raisers lot. Your thoughts are welcome,
Ozzie Rugby journo Christy Dorn is also going to join
us with his views tonight. Meantime, the All Blacks themselves
(02:30):
have confirmed several injuries ahead of the Rugby Championship starting
next month. Some of these injuries will keep certain players
out and a couple of fairly important players as well.
Others will heal, we're told in time for the start
of the Rugby Championship. So Rugby editor Elliot Smith's gonna
pop into the studio shortly to Phillison on who's definitely
(02:52):
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Speaker 2 (03:29):
As mentioned, the All Blacks have confirmed several injury blows
ahead of the Rugby Championship, which starts in less than
three weeks. Rugby editor Elliott Smith has popped into the
studio to Phillison. Let's start with those, Elliott, who are
unlikely to feature in the Rugby Championship. Who are the
longest term casualties.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Well, the most serious one in terms of length of
time out pinety is Noah Hotham. He will need surgery
on a high ankle sprain. You and I both saw
it at the end of that third Test against France.
He sat on the turf at if Injury standing in
Wakatto for a number of minutes getting treatment and it
didn't look good on the night and he's now going
(04:10):
to need to be out for US seven to eight weeks,
so they will need another half back for this tour
of Argentina and beyond. He's the most serious in terms
of weeks to throw Lomax, which is probably in terms
of a first choice player, the most worrying for the
All Blacks losing a first choice player is out for
five to six weeks. He's had surgery on a hand fracture,
so he suffered that in that same game against France
(04:32):
in Hamilton as well. Of course it was his first
game of the series, so a blow for to Roll
Lomax and not being there. And Luke Jacobson, who of
course has ruled out in the minutes before kickoff in
that third and final Test in Hamilton, is out for
five weeks with a thigh injury, so frustrating for Luke
Jacobson was going to get his opportunity in that game.
Now on the sidelines for five weeks or so. So
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you look at those group of players and they'll all
be out for at least the opener opening two games
of the Rank B Championship. Hoth them, we'll be out
for probably the entirety of the tournament. By the time
he gets back, you would have to say, Kayla Clark's
the other one. We knew about that, but he's out
for five to six weeks as well. So four players
there that will miss at least the opening two games
(05:14):
and probably a little bit longer among them for the
All Blacks, which is a real blow for Scott Robinson and.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Go indeed, okay, before I ask you about who might
come in for those players, what about those who are
carrying injuries which are I guess more likely to be
fixed by the time the Rugby Championship gets underway and
what about three weeks time.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah, some positives news there. As you say three weeks time,
twenty days away from that first test against Argentina in Cordoba.
Scott Barrett's three weeks away. He spoke to the country
here on news Talk zeb last week and indicated that
he was tracking pretty well. So a positive there. Wallace
the Tito, who we haven't seen with the All Blacks
this year with that injury suffered Lad in the Chiefs
campaign high ankle injury three weeks away himself to Mighty
(05:56):
Williams again miss the French series. He's three weeks away,
so they're they're all there or they'reabouts to the opening
test against the Argentinians in Cordoba. Then boone and bar
and two po I with a hand injury and concussion
protocols respectively for two weeks, so you'd say they'll be
ready to go for that opening game against Argentina. But
boy boy, look at that Andrew list. I think it's
(06:17):
nine strong that they've had to deal with and juggle
and obviously going to have to call in some replacements.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Piny, Yeah, after only three tests as well. It's quite
the casualty Ward Okay, let's talk replacements. Let's talk Noah
Hotham's replacement at half back, because it felt and I
know you spoke about this with Liam Napier on the
Right By Direct podcast as though it was Roy Guard
I'd have to Hotham and then quite the gap back?
Are we back to the well with Finlay? Christy? Is
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he the next one?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
That is a fascinating question, Piney, whether he is the
next one. Trotted out for Tasman and pre season against
Southland and christ Church last week he had forty minutes
along with the Mitch Drummond who replaced him. After that,
it would get another go around against Bay of Plenty
this week. N's I think Scott Robinson's going to have
a really close look at the NPC this weekend across
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a number of teams. Christie seems like the of the contender,
but there's an ointment flying the ointment here that over
the weekend he was linked with the potential moved to
Newcastle in the English Premiership. Now that is potentially if
he signs, that would obviously be the end of his
all Blacks hopes and maybe you know he's got Scottish heritage.
He's one year into a you know, a theoretical standdown
(07:27):
at the moment. So whether he has designs on playing
for Scotland at the twenty twenty seven World Cup, whether
he's willing to come in and be the under study
for the All Blacks, that is a fascinating subplot if
indeed they do pick him. But there's others around, you know,
Xavier Rowe out of Waycotto as a contender, Kyle Preston
from Wellington had a good, good Super Rugby season with
the Crusaders, Tolfafu Naki maybe another player with looking back
(07:49):
as well, So there are some contenders for Fuckatava's played
two tests for the All Blacks as well. There are
a number of contenders, but no one standing up and
saying pick me, which is why you know, for this
opening round to the NPC there could be a lot
riding on it in terms of an All Blacks call up.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
All right, the other positions they seem more obvious on
the wing with Caleb Clark not there in morning, Nune
of would joined the team, didn't he and even played
the second test? Are we looking at none of just
staying with the squad.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I would have to say so, yeah, I think he'll
get his opportunity once again. He played in Argentina two
years ago. Matta's debut there in Mendoza I think is
worthy of another look. It would be interested to see
whether maybe they think they need another outside back as well.
When it comes to selecting the squad of thirty six,
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they're going to have to add a couple of extra
players in the max, probably another loose forward as well.
So there's some real questions around the balance of the squad.
There was a lot of questions when they selected this
French squad. Did they have the balance right, Do they
have right number of midfielders, do they have right number
of outside backs? That they have the right number of
loose forwards. That's going to you know, the squeeze is
really going to come on, I guess in terms of
the selecting this squad of thirty six, which is due
(08:59):
out a week today for the Rugby Championship, just on
the balance given they are going for two weeks away
in Argentina, and you know, the lucture of being in
New Zealand as you can get someone on playing pretty quickly.
Can't so much do that when you're over in South America.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
All right, and the loose forwards Wallace a Titti coming
back probably adding one. Ethan Blackadder would need to be
near the front of that queue, wouldn't he.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I would say so absolutely. Don Property came into camp
as well, so whether he's part of that thirty six
that you're looking at, he's going to get some game
time for Counties Monaco this week. I would say Ethan
Blackada be right in the mix for them, given his
ability to cover six seven for the All Blacks, probably
eight of a pushel though you definitely wouldn't want to
start him there in a Test match, but if things
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conspire that you had to put him there, you could
probably put him there. So they're going to have to
look at an extra cover there. I would say Blackadder
would be at the front of that queue. Wallace a
Titi obviously due back as well for the Rugby Championship
as well, but they will need that extra body. I'd
say Blackadder'd be right there all right.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And just to finish in the front row with Tyrell
Lomax out, Fletcher Yowel has been playing very well for
both the Crusaders and the All Blacks, and in fact
started the Tests and Dnedi and Wellington in the Three
Jersey before Lomax came back, and I guess they've got
passili O Toossi. They've got to mighty Williams coming back
with his ability to play both sides. Would they have
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to add another prop as well?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I would think they'd have to add another prop just
for security sake. Again, going away, going abroad for such
a length of time, I think they need a little
bit of depth. Pussilo Toss is going to get some
game time obviously this week, but similar to the halfback,
there's a number of contenders out there around New Zealand
at the moment, but no one really screaming and putting
their hands up for selection. Angus has been part of
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the mix before, obviously for the All Blacks and not
for a couple of years now, but he might be
someone they look at. There's been other contenders as well,
but you're really getting into the backups to the backups
of Super Rugby teams at the moment given the injury list.
So look, maybe Jace Ryan's Carston Iron and found someone
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through the mix through the season Super Rugby season that
is keen to get an eye on, but you'd have
to say there's no one jumping up and putting their
ends up at the stage. George Dyer, I would say
would be a contender out of the Chiefs. But beyond that,
you know, there's not a lot of obvious, tightly proper
replacements there for Trollo.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Max all Right Rugby Championship squad named on Monday.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Is it a week today was yes, we believe so.
So there's going to be some chances of players to
play NBC this weekend and as I say, perhaps some
last minute auditions for Scott Robertson and his selectors over
the course of the four days of rugby from Thursday night.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Great update, Elliott, thanks for stopping in tonight, Jess Minnie,
thank you mate. That is Elliot Smith, our rugby editor
and lead commentator. With the news out of the All
Blacks camp about injuries, et cetera. You might have some
views on who should come in, who the biggest losses are.
I think that Tyree lomax one is definitely a big
big loss, although Fletcher yul has been playing well in
the occasions that he started. But you need to, don't
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you need to? It's a it's a four prop game.
These days eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two
nine two one text and we can talk some some
Linesutralia as well. Kevin has been holding on, so I
don't want to keep you waiting too much longer. Kevin,
have you managed to break down what happened on Saturday
night at the end of that game?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Yes, I'm gonna talk about that and the Scott Robertson's
four deep mentality. Now, the first topic is the Lions
game at the mcg or. It took me a couple
of times to what's not only the Aussie commentary but
also that the English coverage. Who I've I had to
watch it from the English and then to watch the
Audie game again to understand what we're there going done.
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But at the end I do feel that I'm not
a rug big rugby person, but the Odie the Aussie's
got thee today big time.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Well they think they did, Yes, they think they did.
And there's a large school of thought to say, Kevin,
that they did because there is quite a bit of
evidence that Jack Morgan coming in makes contact with Carlo
Tizzano's neck and as soon as you do that, all
bets are off. If you hit somebody above the shoulder line,
it is at the bear minimum a penalty and beyond
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that a yellow or sometimes even a red card. So
that is that is, that's the Australian point of view.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
And of course did Scott Robinson say something about four
deep in the He said of sound something about the
all blacks the tealent polt was And I did say
something on this on one of your shows earner this year.
Maybe try instead of four, go six, look like a
top six in each position.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, well, I mean you really would be starting to
get down into some players there. Yeah, he said four
deep over the next four years to win the World
Cup for the fourth time. It's kind of a I guess,
a catchy little four four four, But yeah, Kevin, do
you reckon? We could go six deep in some positions?
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Who knows? But maybe who knows and we could Let's
find out if there is actually six deep instead of
four deep. But four deep it's lots pretty shallow, but
I think six deep maybe can cover Scott Robertson's backside.
At least it can company all black bat sides. If
some of your first and second choice are out, where's
your third, fourth, fifth, and sixth.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I'm sure he would love six. He'd loves Kevin, he
would love six. I think he's being a little bit
more realistic around four. I mean, I'd have trouble now
right now naming six hookers, for example, or six half backs.
Even I could name six half backs, but would they
be ready for the All Blacks. The other part of
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it is when you're trying to create depth, you have
to give those players game time and there are only
a certain number of tests that you can do that
even to get even to get four deep, to get
six deep, you really are shofting things around. I love
the way you're thinking, and I'm sure he'd love to
have six players in each position ready to play test rugby.
And how realistic it is.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
What about the later in the year, especially when they're
doing the first Grand Slam Tour in what that then years,
especially especially if the backs will be doing the Grand
Slam Tour, where six step for me, I said, six
step comes in big time, not four?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
All right, Kevin, it's a it's a it's an optimistic goal.
I don't mind it. And if we get to the
World Cup in Australia in twenty twenty seven and Scott
Robertson has what would that be ninety players who he
believes are ready to play test rugby, you know, at
a World Cup, then I think he would be delighted.
I think it's more realistic that he can get sixty
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players four deep in the in the fifteen positions. But
I like the way you're thinking. Thanks for calling in, Mark, good,
thanks Matt.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
Yeah, and not a hope and how we're going to
have six tape in every promision.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I think you're right. I don't mind the optimism, but
I think it might be a little bit unrealistic.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Yeah, big of the lines, Yeah, touching guy, it's not
a penalty, it's it's a content sport. It was I mean,
what the line's got I meant to do though he's
plating them out. It was pretty simultaneous, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Well? Why yeah, Tazana, Yeah, Tazano is there first, but
only just there first, So you're right. Morgan arrives and
makes the decision to clean him out, which he is
quite entitled to do. What he's not entitled to do
is make contact anywhere above the shoulder line, and if
he if he in that split second realizes he can't,
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then he shouldn't blow through. He made the decision that
he thought he could. And look, I mean again, I don't.
I don't know the fact that we're even talking about
it shows how much gray area there is, because there
is a school of thought and and I you know,
and I don't think it's that far fetched that actually
it was fair. He you know, he might have got
him sort of around the shoulders rather than on the
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neck itself. I think the fact that Tazano threw himself
backwards rather theatrically didn't actually help his cause. I know
that doesn't isn't supposed to come into it, but I
just think, you know, it looked as though he was
trying to milk something, and I wonder whether that actually
worked against him.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Yeah, now I think the right decision was made to
be for you, great test Ozzie should never you know
that well, you know, well twenty two five up? You know, wow,
And then you know that Michael Liner what's his name?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So that Tom Tom Yeah, Tom Tom Lner yep, Tom.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Yeah, has has knock on after that high cat constant
that that eventually led to a try. But hey, Ozzies
are looking good. I like that and the faking their
skeld from there and the other big sacks. They look
bloody good.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Is yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I agree, Mark, and I hope they are good because
I want to see. I don't want us to lose
a bit slow up obviously, but I want them to
give it a crack and and also want them to
beat the Lions next week in the third Test. Good
to check him mate, Thanks indeed. Yeah, And you know
you can't say that that that that incident in the
end cost them the game. Yes you can. You can
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in one way. You can say if the penalty was given,
the Lions wouldn't have scored, Ozzie would have got kicked
it out. They would have the Test. But they were
twenty three to five ahead. They let the lines come
back from an eighteen point deficit. So maybe that's where
they should be focusing their attention. Seven five oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty our number couple of talking
points from the weekend's rugby. We'll take a break, comeback
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Speaker 6 (19:42):
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Speaker 2 (19:44):
Seven twenty nine. Hello, peterk.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Yeah, just about just continuing our hit Lions thing for
a start. It was a really good game. I think
it's the best Test match of the year and the
Wallabies will be a real threat this year, even playing
at Eton Park because that who doo might go anywhere
if the swing box come here.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
We mustily with But you want go back to zero?
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Yeah, that's right, that's right. Let's hope not. But yeah,
that that clean out. I was watching the rugby program
on TV that they had a couple of Stephen Donald Mills.
Was that Rugby Nation something like the breakdown? Yeah, the breakdown? Yeah,
And a couple of them thought it was a penalty.
Angus Tarvale is a forward thought. It was a fair
clean out given that they arrived virtually the same time,
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maybe a split seconds. He got the split second ahead
of the Lions player and the line the Wallaby flannel
was so low to the ground that that they said
that when the lines guy came and he was he
could virtually eat grass, that's how well he was, and
everything he could he couldn't get under his shoulders virtually.
And it was and if you looked at that, if
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you looked at all the other rucks and you could
firsually get a penalty from every breakdown in rugby. Yeah,
the game, I know what you mean by technical in
a slow motion and you can say this and that
and again. When the Assie player threw himself back was
holding his head, there was no contact to his head.
You can tell that. You can tell that he was
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showburting a little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, I'm not sure that helped him. And you're right.
And it's a split second decision, has said before by
Jack Morgan, the Lions player. If he doesn't think he
can get low enough, then he has to pull out.
He can't go in because.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
He was limited.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, and he made the decision. He made you're right.
He made the decision because they're desperate for the try.
He's I'm sure in his head, I'm going to do
everything i can to keep this ball recycled for us.
He's you're right, he's committed. He's come in and look,
has he made contact with the with the neck? Perhaps
he has, And so there that is why, that is
why we're having the discussion and why some people Peter
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at adamant that it was a penalty and others are
saying no it was not, which, as I say, makes
it an interesting discussion when we don't actually know what
the rule is. But yeah, it's good. It's kept us
chatting for a wee while anyway, hasn't it It has?
Speaker 7 (22:03):
Indeed it has indeed. Yeah, but yeah, the Lion, the Lions.
You know, I think they scored five tries that the wall.
We should be fatuting on what happened before that incident. Yeah,
you know, stopping stopping those lines, tries, stopping giving away
some of the buildies that they gave away, et cetera,
et cetera. You know, you got to look at it
an eighty minute game, not a not a one second,
one one cleanout game over the Holy and I think
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the obvious Well, when they settle down to it, they'll
they'll realize that Horn thought it was fifty to fifty.
He is a very respected Australian rugged man. Yeah, he
was coming up and down.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, no, you're right, Pet, And I think that's it.
They led for seventy nine and a half minutes of
their game, so yeah, to say that they were doubted
at the end, yeah, maybe the examination needs to be
the previous seventy nine minutes and how they threw away
a twenty three to five lead and as you say,
leaked all of those tries. Good to Chetty, you mate,
thanks for calling in, can I Conrad?
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Yeah, high plane, Yeah hey look come yeah, it's just
it is tough for rugby. I think, you know, if
people look at the laws and so forth, I think
rugby has great areas that I think the fault blot
that the IRB they need to sport out this kind
of scenario. I mean, I've been spending the last two
years looking at minimum yellow Is it a read?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yes, Conrad, and that's no.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
They've basically they have made the neck and head sacracinct.
So any contact incidental, accidental, deliberate, or somewhere in between
is as you say, it's almost like it's a yellow card. Minimum.
It's definitely a penalty. So that's why the confusion reigns
about Saturday night.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
I think that's true.
Speaker 9 (23:41):
So there's two other points, well, to don't disuit the affairs. Therefore,
if you're asking a question, who got their first, well
the Aussie did, right, Yeah, I didn't have. The third
part is that this is an interesting thing about rugby
and is what I mean.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
We have a situation in rugby where if there's a
triumph board they go back to a knock on and
say five phases area. But sometimes in general play, if
there's a great fifty between two or something, they don't
they don't go back to the knock on the there're
three ways, await.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, only a try only in a try scoring situation, right,
do they go back?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, another anomally there.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
Yeah, but tried reverse. We had three sides we've had
we had tried reverse, but much less than that. I mean, yeah, anyway,
I just yeah, I just yeah. I just think it's rugby.
I mean, I know people did a lot of emotion
in the in straight out. It's pretty because it's such
a great game. But I just think that, you know,
we was a gray area in the Nippel game last night.
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Were the gray area in the Warriors loss? I mean
I think, yeah, just yeah, were it there?
Speaker 10 (24:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
No, you're right, don't Conrad. Those other sports have it
over rugby. It's unequivocal, that's for sure. Just on twenty
six away from it, let's bring in rugby editor at
the Raw, Christy Doran. You can also hear Christy on
the ESPN Scrum podcast Christy, before we talk about the
threat the Aussies might present to the All Blacks later
in the year. Is there still a sense of deflation
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among our rugby fans after Saturday night?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Oh, you better believe it.
Speaker 10 (25:10):
And you just have to look at some of the
headlines today with Phil Will talking about the fact that
he's demanding answers about how that decision at the end.
And I say that decision because I'm pretty sure most
of your listeners would have seen it, or at least
heard about it.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Carlo Tizzano being.
Speaker 10 (25:28):
Blasted off the ball but in an illegal fashion, and
we saw in the PostScript Joe Schmid, you know, and
I see them because of you know, he knows the
law book like the back of his hand, and he
referenced LAWD nine point two regularly throughout the PostScript. And
you can understand why, because this is all of his
team that has just needed a good news story, particularly
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on Australian shores. They beat England in front of eighty
thousand last year at Tickenham, but this was a moment
in front of a record crowd ninety thousand at the
MCG the biggest crowd in front of Alliance match and
to kind of not send the match into a serious
decider in Sydney this where there will be another eighty
two thousand. It's just a it's a great missed opportunity
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and it would have been the biggest win I think
on Australian Shaws since the two thousand and three semi final, when,
of course the wall of his dust is the All Blacks.
So it's a huge, huge miss Christy.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Where is the popularly held view? I mean, I think
most Australian jess would say, you know, it was a penalty.
I think most of our audience, yes today on the
radio here were of that same view. But the British
and Irish Lions fans obviously are equally adamant that there's
nothing to see here. What do you think the neutral things?
Do you think it was a penalty?
Speaker 10 (26:42):
I've got to When I first saw it, and I
even tweeted it, I said that, look, this is going
to test world drugged his medal because both players are
centimeters off the ground.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
You know, in the case of color.
Speaker 10 (26:52):
Desano, his head was probably touched in the ground, that's
how far past it. But he definitely had his hands
on the board to begin with, and he did have
you know, he was on his feet. He beat the
certainly beat Jack Morgan to the part, and that's the
key thing that he deserved the riots there because he's
got his hands over the ball. It's a really interesting
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comparison a couple of years ago when Brody Brittalic gets
you know, I think he got sent off for it
against Japan and an extremely similar case, almost identical, and
yet you know, a red card there and then not
even a penuity on this occasion.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I think Michael Hooper's right.
Speaker 10 (27:30):
If this moment is anywhere between the first and the
seventy fifth minute, I think you see that that's a
penalty and potentially even a yellow card. Unfortunately, we know
that the game is played in gray. Everyone wants a
black and white decision. Very rarely in rugby is that
the case. But I think you've got to actually admit
that that the law suggests and doesn't even suggest it.
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It says that it should have been a penalty. And
so that's the frustrating element to it. And on the
other hand, and I've just written a piece, there was
a couple of missed opportunities in that game, and Will
Skelton talked about it as well. You know, the fact
that Tom Liner drops the ball and then they scored
two trials before halftime, and then Joseph Acusi Suali when
it's there to be absolutely sewn up at twenty six seventeen,
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you know, midway through the second half, it gets blindsided slightly,
didn't catch him pass when he needed to and he
could have sent Tate McDermott over which would have probably
been an unassailable lead at that point in time. So
there was definitely missed opportunities. A huge step forward, but
it's also just feels like it's a half empty feeling
rather than half full.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, it's a great summary those incidents. Notwithstanding, it was
certainly an improvement on Brisbane, wasn't it. Where did you
see the big improvements from the Wallabies in Melbourne Without.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
A shadow of doubt.
Speaker 10 (28:48):
It's the physicality, It's the sting that came and they
were ready for a fight. You know we saw on
the first half in Brisbane not only were they totally
physically outmuscled and bullied by the Lions, we saw a
moments where Tom Curry is sitting at Wallaby and Tomliner
in the air and you know the Wallabies are just
sitting back and you know there's no protection, there's no
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fight there, there's no going into fight and battle for
a bloke plant on his starting test a boo. That
was the complete contrast at the MCG that they were
there from the moment from the outset. Even Will Skelton,
I know that he gave a had a stern warning
delivered to him when he hit take furlong slightly late
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when there was a knock on in the build up
to it. But that was a moment there early in
the first half which just said hang on where here?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
And yes, the lines scored.
Speaker 10 (29:38):
A second later, but you know, a couple of trials
later and the Wallabies just out muscled them. You know,
Rob Vaalatini, Will Skelton, we saw Dave Pereki come back,
and yes he's not the man laying on the big shots,
but collectively the line the Wallabies walked taller, I think,
and we saw that, and I think a lot of
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people were going, was Rob Balatine come off at halftime?
Was he not returned on the field? And a lot
more people and respected Wallaby's have been asking that over
the last twenty four hours or so, thinking that he
should have been even though he was tightening up in
the Calf's the way to keep the big man going
and warm, and that's to put him on the bike.
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And people were saying that you shouldn't be thinking about
the spring box and the Rugby Championship was just a
couple of weeks away. They needed to win that test
and unfortunately when he and Skelton walked off, the Wallabies
didn't really fire a shot in the last half an
hour where they needed to land one more blow and
they simply couldn't.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Does Tom Liner appeal as the long term first five
for Australia to you?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I think so.
Speaker 10 (30:45):
And the fact that they didn't turn to Ben Donaldson,
a bloke with about twenty tests experience of World Cup
campaign under his belt, the fact he didn't even get
on on Saturday night suggest that the Wallabies don't necessarily
trust him the management a twenty five year old, as
I say, with some tests under his belt. Outside of that,
Nolla is going to be into Japan later this year.
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It's very unlikely that he will come back in twenty seven.
And then outside of that, you know, the Folies, the
James O'Connors, they're thirty five now. If they were ever
going to play a test again for the Wall of
it was during this series. So I think it is
a Tomliner unless they go out there and sign a
big name regular league player, which I don't think is
about to occur. I think they saw that this was
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an opportunity to develop Tomliner on the biggest stage against
the Lions side.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
You've got to question the timing of that.
Speaker 10 (31:42):
But at the same time, I think we've seen that
he's pretty unflappable. He's got a very composed head, got
a reasonable skill set and I think he's a reasonable
player to build the side around. Is he ever going
to be a rich Humuhwonga and an absolutely boss and
commanded a game or an old Farrell? I'm not sure
given his quiet nature, but I think he's a very
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competent ten.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
All right, So looking ahead, Chris, the Test three against
the British and Irish line Sydney this coming Saturday. Then
it's two tests, tough tests away in South Africa joe
Burg and Cape Town, back home for tests against Argentina
and then home and away against the All Blacks for
the Blettersloe Cup. A big part of me actually wishes
this was the other way around. The first came in
Perth and the second at Eden Park in Auckland. But
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even given that, how strongly do you perceive the Wallabies
could challenge the All Blacks for the bleeders Low Cup
this year?
Speaker 10 (32:34):
I just hope that the Wallabies aren't limping into that
series because they need some momentum and All Bokes found
out last year just how hard it is to win
a Test in South Africa. You know, they were two
of the great Tests matches and a mini series and
they didn't come away with a win. Now, if the
Wallabies go there and they lose, they come back and
it's almost a must win territory against Argentina, you know,
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not so much to win silverware, but for pride and
honor and momentum ahead of the twenty seven World Cup.
It will be tough though, because will they be walking
wounded off the back of the South African tour. So
I preface talking about the blood slow with that, because,
as you've mentioned, very difficult to.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Go to New Zealand to beat the All Blacks.
Speaker 10 (33:17):
All haven't done it since two thousand and one win
across the ditch, So I just hope that they're not
going in there when they're down five or six blokes.
My understanding is will Scots not even going to be
there given some matches full outside of the international window.
Plus he's just had such a long year up in
the French top fourteen, so already some of the big
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games are going to be missing. You know, is a
Langy Gleson up in France at that time? You know
where's Tom Hooper? So I don't know if they will
challenge the All Blacks. I thought last year was a
golden opportunity to do that and they came within striking
distance at the death in Sydney after a really sleepy
start in Sydney. But this looks like an All Black
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side second year under Scott Robinson, which would be a
much sterner test. We already saw even though that the
French or a third string team.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
You know that they've got depth.
Speaker 10 (34:10):
Just as much as South Africa, I think in terms
of how big it is, so they'll be much hardened
after already coming up against South African Argentina. It's going
to be an almighty year for the Wallabies. I just
hope as I say that they're standing there and that
they can go in there with a glimmer of hope.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Interesting times. Indeed, thanks so much for your time tonight, Christy.
Really appreciate you taking our call.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
You joy your evening, cheers, You enjoy yours too, Christy.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Thanks indeed. Christy Duran he's editor of The Raw. Hear
him on the ESPN Scrum podcast as well with some
interesting thoughts. I hadn't even really thought of that until
we started chatting that by the time the bledder Slow
Cup rolls around the Australians, what I had a heck
of a lot of rugby. You think about these three
tests against the British and Irish Lions, massive occasions, and
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then they've got to go to South Africa and play
twice over there, a couple of games at home against
Argentina before they even get to the Bledisloe. So you know,
we'll talk about the injuries before that. The All Blacks
have had us to just three Test matches and you
wonder about fatigue and the impact on some of those
key Australian players off the back of some big, big
(35:18):
Test matches before we even get to the Bledisloe Cup.
Speaking of the All Blacks, just before we go to
the break, there are some turning out for their provincial
teams this weekend. Auckland White Cuttle. They open the MPC
on Thursday night at Eden Park. Anton Lennart Brown available
for White Cuttle. When Wellington played Canterbury at Polydor Park
on Saturday afternoon, Reuben Love is available for Wellington. Broughty
mckellister for Canterbury. Later on in Vericago, South London v
(35:41):
Otago Christian Leo Willy is available to play for Otago,
Bay of Plenty, Tasman Toad on a Sunday afternoon. M Morne,
Nadawah and Pasili or Tossi can play for Bay of
Plenty and Tasman can call on to Mothy Tava, Tava,
Nahway and Hawk's Bay Counties on Sunday afternoon and Napier
Dalton Papalee is available for counties Manical if required. Five
(36:06):
We'll take a break, come back and rate the weekend
party's power rankings. After this rankings way, okay, let's rate
the weekend Partey's power rankings the best, the worst and
(36:27):
the bits in between. From the Sporting Weekend let's go.
The Warriors are stumble at home against the bottom side
and the Titans come to Wookland.
Speaker 11 (36:37):
That's Umbus and des Hassen and it's five hundred game.
As an NRL coach, this SNE's gonna feel really super.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Sweep for him.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
As the Titans come to Wooplano will win.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
They're casting further doubts on the Warriors' top four credential side.
The end of the second rugby Test between the British
and Irish lines and the Wallaby's on Saturday night a
controversial penalty not given. They were not happy at all
an Australian Rugby circle, but the.
Speaker 12 (37:07):
End is a penalty to the Wallabies and the referees
were too weak to give it. It doesn't matter you
cannot hit a guy in the back of the neck.
The referees have got it roun. It has cost the
Wallaby survival in the series. The British and Irish Lions
lead this series to neil. It was brave to come
back from them, but it is a terrible decision to
(37:28):
decide this match.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
They're blowing up to Like's third Test coming up in
Sydney on Saturday. Joe Root is at eight, now second
on the all time Test run scoring list after his
century against India over the weekend. Hey god, not much
of the list is short.
Speaker 12 (37:48):
As he goes past the great Rickey Ponty, and it's
now only behind the great man such Mpingo coment.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
They're not bowing them, by the way, there's to this
m chanting root thirteen four hundred and nine runs now
only such in ten Dolka ahead seven women's football team
European champions again and so Chloe Cana winch England returning
to European Championship.
Speaker 13 (38:14):
Crown England are crowned Queens of Europeans.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
To a prodiga.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
The lion Is winning, Lioness Is winning three one on
penalties and the decider at Basel the scores level one
all at the end of extra time, Chloe Kelly knitting
the winning penalty, repeating her championship winning heroics from twenty
twenty two.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Six.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Taday Pagachia untouchable, the king of Littour again.
Speaker 11 (38:38):
Taday Peggacia wins his fourth Tour de France and he
was involved in every single bit of action right to.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
The end, a massive win by four and a half
minutes for pagatcha five New Zealand middle distance run of
Kimberley May winning bronze in the fifteen hundred meters at
the World University Games in Germany.
Speaker 13 (38:59):
But here comes Kimberley May on the outside wind. Can
she run light the wins again? Their first wind is
coming too. She's going to take it. There's going to
be a goal for Switzerland. Chilvert's going to hold on
for the silver medal and May gets the bronze medal
for New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Four.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Liam Lawson's at four to eighth of the Belgian Grand
Prix this morning.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Happy for the guys and girls. It was a tough race,
it's all. He's tricky when you have to cross over
onto a dreshio when it's damn four.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
More points in the bank for Lillam Lawson and crucially
finishing ahead of his racing balls teammate Isaac Hedger free
the Wellington Phoenix, negotiating a trip all the way to
Perth ninety minutes, then extra time, a delay for lightning
and a penalty shootout to eventually beat Perth Glory in
the Australia Cup.
Speaker 11 (39:49):
And the Wellington Phoenix are going through to the round
at sixteen of the Australia Cup. After one of the
most remarkable matches in this competition's history. It had just
about everything and it's the Knicks and not going through
to the last sixteen.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Lucas healed with the final penalty, the Knicks winning at
eighty seven on spot kicks two. The black Caps wrapping
up a perfect T twenty tri series with a thrilling
three run victory in the final against South Africa.
Speaker 13 (40:20):
Last delivery swing of the merse and New Zealand. They've
been the undefeata and they take home the victory and staff.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
The black Caps in Harari. Unbelievable, pretty good start to
Rob Walters, Rainer's head coach. Next up Test matches again.
Zimbabwe won the Tactics finally domestic net Ball champions game.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Over and the Tactics win it.
Speaker 11 (40:51):
They win it by twelve unbridled celebrations.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
From those in red and black.
Speaker 11 (40:58):
Oh the Tactics, they win it, making them a in
said Brilliership champions for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Did I forget anything? And I'm actually mostly happy with it?
This week I can't believe it. Lion Essens were a
bit low though, weren't they? I mean, when you I
was going to win like last week, didn't we Yeah?
I sort of, I kind of yeah, I sort of
tweaked around and changed my mind and sort of mid table.
I know what you're saying. Yeah, Pagachas was kind of
a fatal kompleat a top five. Yeah, it's a tricky
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one this week at work. Thanks ants, it's with us
and to have your approval. Piney's power rankings return next
Monday evening, coming up six, away from eight, coming up
three to eight. Marx Is Pinty know, Luke Littla, he
just won the World match Play worth a mention? Yeah,
here's worth a mension. Actually, Mark I should have probably
(41:50):
found room for him. So I had a nine data
the other night. Jason, if you're a line supporter, it's
not a penalty. If you're a Wallaby supporter, it's a penalty.
Bring on the third test and from Muzz Pineybury the penalty.
I wouldn't have given a penalty just for the soles
of the absolute Hollywood Tazano did embarrassing. Thanks mass, Thank
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you for all your calls and correspondence tonight. Thanks for
listening and huge Thanks to Answer Melissa for producing the show.
Marcus Lush takes you through the rest of Monday after
eight o'clock. Darcy Watergrave back with Sports Talk tomorrow night
between seven and eight, and I'll catch you on Weekend
Sport this coming Saturday, midday through three. Hope you can
join us. Have a great week, see you then.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
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