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Jason Pine returns to recap a full day in the world of sport! Highlights for tonight include:

Former All Black centre Frank Bunce on Quinn Tupaea's standout performance.

NSW Cup Warriors coach David Tangata-Toa on the dominant 2025 season.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Waldergrave
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hi There, Joven and welcome into Monday night sports Talk
on News Talks EDB. For October six, a very happy
forty first birthday to one of our great Olympians, Dame
Valerie Adams. Speaking of greats, the great Ritchie Benno was
also born on this day in nineteen thirty. He passed
away in twenty fifteen. I'm Jason Pine Show producer Corbyn Boyd.

(00:46):
Tonight we're here talking sport until eight o'clock. Best player
for the All Blacks on Saturday night. This bloke probably.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Tapping Go Insider twenty two for left pen side on
the chart the All Black.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Thickets right in four minutes, Eh Quinta Pire turning plenty
of hair. It's in Perth on Saturday evening. So is
he the answer in the thirteen jersey moving forward for
the AB's one of our best ever centers. Frank Bunce
standing by to give us his views then I'm keen
on yours. We can also rate the Rugby Championship tonight

(01:22):
four wins, two losses, equal top on points, missing the
silverware on points differential though to South Africa. Seven wins
from nine and twenty twenty five for the All Blacks,
So how exactly should we assess where they are right
now as they break for a month or so before
the end of season Northern tour. Keen to hear your
evaluation on the All Blacks so far in twenty twenty five.

(01:45):
Also tonight two pieces of silverware for the Warriors Reserve
Grade side in twenty twenty five. Having secured the new
South Wales Cup last weekend, they yesterday added the State
Championship with a very comfortable win over the Burly Bears
on grand final date. Warriors Reserve Grade coach David Tangatati
is with us tonight and on Monday nights. We rate

(02:06):
the weekend Piney's Power rankings the best, the worst and
the in between from the last seventy two hours. With
plenty to choose from, please join the conversation. If you
would like two lines open all hour on eight hundred
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past seven.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
No need for the DMO.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk Call eight hundred eighty.
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Speaker 2 (02:36):
It's the All Backs been Australia on Saturday nights in Perth.
The standout performer in the eyes of many was Quinn
to Pire.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Jordy Barrett with a week rubber through up over halfway.
Pier tries to wrap it up. He's knocked it on
to Pie. Kicks ahead, but the Pie, we'll get that
person's tuck. When to Pire the benefit.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Of the falcon and his first test starting at center,
Quinta Pire scored two tries and had a very strong
all round game. So is he the lone long term
solution at center for the All Blacks or at the
very least is he worthy of further appearances in that jumper?
One of the best to ever do it, Frank Bunce.
He played fifty five test matches and a total of

(03:19):
sixty nine games for the All Blacks and was one
of our great center three quarters, he joins us. Now,
bun see what did you make of Quinta Pie's performance?
First of all on Saturday night in Perth.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Ah, I loved it. We've been sort of waiting a
little bit, you know for Bobilly propped really to fire,
and you know Quintupie got his chance and took it
with you know, with open arms, and he was involved
in everything. So I was really happy, you know, and
for a guy to have come back from what he did,

(03:53):
you know, it's a long journey back for such a
serious injury. To get his opportunity and then and then
take it was Yeah, it was awesome to watch.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
What did you like most about what you saw from
him on Saturday?

Speaker 5 (04:06):
I like the fact that he was you know, he
stood out, he went, he was looking for work, you know,
he was making break. I wouldn't say there was anything specific.

Speaker 6 (04:17):
But you know, he was involved.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
I just liked the way that he was in a
lot of the play. You know, he made ground when
he carried the ball. You know, his passing was good.
Is he just had a real good all round contribution.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
He himself said that he was quite surprised when the
coaches said to him, how you're playing center. We've only
really seen him at Super rugby and for the All
Blacks as a second five. How interchangeable are twelve and thirteen?

Speaker 5 (04:44):
Well they were interchangeable for some you know, it's easier
for some people than others. You know, in this day
and age, things have changed a little bit. And I
did hear, you know, Jeff Wilson or Milsey or someone
like that, you know, had said that it was the
style of the game that was kind of hindering Billy Procter,
and I can see that. I don't think a center

(05:06):
role is you know, is the same as it used
to be. Necessarily, you obviously still want someone who can
distribute the ball well, who can set up as outsides.

Speaker 7 (05:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
I'm not taking away from Billy Proctery there, because you
know I've seen him do that, But I think test
level again is another level up, and you know you're
just under a whole lot more pressure.

Speaker 6 (05:24):
What was your question?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
No, No, not at all. I was just really interested
to know about the adjustment from twelve to thirteen because
for me, it looked like he made it seamlessly. You know,
I know you played a bit of twelve, but mainly thirteen.
So I just just wonder whether you know, some guys
play one or the other, don't they Some like Anton
Lena Brown can play both. I just wonder, like, is
it more challenging with ball in hand, do you have

(05:47):
to learn different defensive patterns for example, when you're when
you're defending, it.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Doesn't sound right, but it's the same, but it's different.
You know, you have you're under a bit more pressure
because you're closer in. You know, when you're playing at twelve,
you're closer to the defense. You're closer to you know,
the loose forwards can get to your two or three
steps closer. So you have to make decisions very very quickly.
I think I ended up as an outside tender, you know,
played second five and never liked it because you were

(06:12):
under that pressure and you didn't get the room that.

Speaker 8 (06:15):
You know, someone like me needed.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
You just have a little bit more time, a little
bit more, a little bit more space, you know, before
the defense gets to you. I think it's that type
of person. I guess it depends a bit on what
type of person you are too. I just like I
prefer that rather than the closer you know, and probably
more physical role of a second five because you know
you're right there, you're there for the taking, but you

(06:38):
know it's up to you to take the ball up
to you to carry into you know, some of the
bigger loose forwards that are that are going around. So yeah,
different positions name but different and you need to be
a different type of player.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
And the hallmark of all great centers like yourself, Joe
Stanley before you, Conrad Smith after you always had the
ability with ball in hand to put their outsides into space.
I know it's it's perhaps more difficult now with defensive
patterns be different, But what was the key? What is
the key to making space for your outsides?

Speaker 5 (07:12):
It is vision. You can see things that that opportunities
that open, not necessarily that it is going to happen,
it's the possibility of something happening. I think it is
a vision aspect to the game. When you're playing at twelve,
you don't get a you don't get a you know,
like a chance really to you know, to have a

(07:33):
lock outside, to take the time to to have a
look at see where the opposition is standing and what's likely.
You know, it's all about figuring out where people are,
where they aren't, you know, what holes, what what might occur?
You know, it's it's all of that thing and sometimes
you have to do that all in the space of
a few seconds. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
You mentioned Billy a couple of times there. Do you
think he still has a claim to that thirteen Jersey?
Do you think he's still got, you know, the ability
to grow into into a top class test center.

Speaker 6 (08:05):
Yeah, yeah, I think.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
You know, we've seen him excel at super rugby level,
you know, and I think a little bit more time
Quinn had a little bit of experience, you know, at
that level, I'd give Billy Procter, you know, a bit
more time. We know that he's you know, he's a
good player. It just he hasn't been able to make
it happen, you know, Like now, up until now, you
can imagine and I would have been doing the same thing.

(08:29):
He'd be sitting there in the stands watching Quinn go
and you know, while he'd been loving it and all
for you know, of course he wants the or Blecks
to win personally, I'm sure because I.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
Would have been.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
I would have been going, oh damn, look, you know,
look how and then he scores two tries and go, man,
just's what I need exactly?

Speaker 2 (08:48):
And what about I mean ricco Yoanni's played there a
lot in the last last three four years, hasn't had
a crack there this year. Can you see them going
back to Rico? YU want to get centinelor do you
think that has been gone?

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Yeah, I'm not too sure. You know it's for someone
like that. Well, he's obviously still in the picture because
he was there on the weekend. You know, I don't
know what raisis thoughts are you know, we're probably going
to find that out pretty soon, you know, unless you
out and out drop them. I don't think you can
just sort of face someone like Rico just you know,
out of the team. Truth of the matter is, we

(09:21):
don't have a better option, you know, at the moment,
even if it's backer. You know, to Quinn, everything Rico
has done over the years, you know, he's got all
the experience. You know, I don't think much phases them
and and sometimes you need that.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
And just on the partnership side of this, because I'm
pretty sure Quinn to Pie wouldn't have played with Jordy
Barrett in a midfield anywhere. And you think of the
great midfield partnerships, and yours with Walter Little was one
of those. How long did that take to develop? How
long did it take does it take for a good
midfield partnership to really start thriving.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Well, we myself and Walter, you know, we had the
benefit of having you know, played at North Harbor together
as well, so you know when we when we weren't
with the All Blacks, we were we were doing the
same sort of thing with Harbor, so you know, we
had we had the benefit of that. But geez, it's
hard to put a time sort of un limit on it.
But I would say, you know, it's got to take

(10:20):
you know, at least a year or so, at least
you know, a season and a number of tests, and
you know there's going to be highs and lows. But
you know, you're kind of it's that development, you know,
it's it doesn't happen all the times. The thing about
Quinn his performance on Saturday, Imagine how pumped up he
would have been for that. Imagine his motivation going into that.

(10:41):
You know, he had a lot to prove. He was
put in a new position, so you know, the real
it was real, real focus.

Speaker 8 (10:47):
So that happened.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
Now every time it's up to him to make sure
it's not a one off. But you know, as much
as we'd love it, we can't hold him to, you know,
to expecting that standard all the time. So there's going
to be highs and there's going to be lows. You know, Wallace,
it's you know, one outstanding first year. Been a little
bit quieter, you know, a couple of injuries and stuff,

(11:10):
but he hasn't sort of been the you know, the
player that that we got used to in the first season.
Quinn just had to you know, he just has to
buy his time and maybe not put too much pressure
on himself and not expect, you know, too much.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Fascinating A couple of years ahead, I went and see
what Razor thinks about the Jordy Barret Quint to Pie
Midfield partnership. Bunce, you always appreciate your thoughts, mate, Thanks
for taking the time, Henny, No, thank you, Buncy. Frank Bunce,
they're joining us with some really interesting thoughts from his
huge body of work as a top quality center alongside
a top quality second five and Walter Little. So you've

(11:46):
heard from Frank Bunce. Lines open for your calls now
on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. First of all,
this is a great story. Having had his leg basically
demolished by Darcy Swain. It was a very, very long
road back to Rugby and then to the All Blacks
for Quintupie. When he came off the bench against France

(12:07):
in the first Test of the year in Duned and
that was back in July. That was his first Test
since then, his first Test since September twenty twenty two,
the year he's played seven of the nine Test matches,
but before Saturday he'd only started once and that was
at second five third Test against France and Hamilton. His
appearances off the bench during the Rugby Championship were excellent,

(12:29):
really really good, and so he was handed the start
on Saturday night in Perth, but not at twelve, where
all his previous starts had been, but at thirteen, a
jersey that he's not only never worn before for the
All Blacks, but very rarely, if at all, for the Chiefs,
where he's either been at second five or off the bench.
Daniel Rona and Anton Leonar Brown have played center for

(12:50):
the Chiefs for most of the last couple of seasons.
I think we will just assume that that's what Quintupai was.
A second five who could play other back line positions
if you needed him too, but wasn't really an option
to start in any of them. He even said himself
quint to Payer after the game, that he was surprised
to be handed that role.

Speaker 9 (13:11):
Yeah, it was a surprise. I didn't really expect it.
Monday clarity. I was running on the wing in and
name got caught at center on Tuesday morning with no
heads up, So I was all over in my detail.
Thought I trained very well there this week, A lot
of confidence going into the game. And yeah, I guess
happy to play anywhere for this team. Just pretty keen

(13:34):
to be on the field where that's twelve thirteen when
the twenty two jumper.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
So Quintapire accepting with both hands the thirteen jumper and
was the best player out there. Not entirely sure actually
why he came off when he did fifty seven minutes,
but what he did in that fifty seven minutes very
very very good. So did Quinta Pire do enough on
Saturday night to convince you he's the best man to
wear thirteen for the All Blacks? Now, well, he certainly
doesn't have to get the next test, isn't he. It'll

(13:58):
be Jordy Barton Quinte Pire against Ireland in Chicago, won't it.
And then you ask where does that leave Billy Procter,
where does that leave Recoy Wonny and what role do Anton,
Lennard Brown and to Mothy Tavatavannaway play over the next
couple of years. Frank talked about how long these partnerships
take to form. You have to have time together. And

(14:18):
I think the attraction of having Jordy Barrett and Billy
Procter together was exactly as Frank Bunch said, he and
Walter Little played together at North Harbor and then the
All Blacks Jordy Barrett and Billy Procter at the Hurricanes,
and then the All Blacks. Well, if it's going to
be Jordy Barrett and Quinta Pyre, you take away the
super rugby involvement and then you say, well, you've got
to give them a lot of time together to forwards

(14:38):
that partnership. If it's the one you're after, Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number, ninety two
ninety two. If you would prefer to send a text message.

Speaker 8 (14:48):
Ash hello, yeah, hi Jason.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
I think it's a bit like one swallow not making
a spring. I'm not trying to put to Pye's efforts
down at all. But I don't see that he's got
the peripheral vision or the other term for it, spatial awareness,
you know, yet to be a center, because you can
only judge that by how well the wingers are doing

(15:14):
running offers and whether they're scoring or not.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Good point, Ash, good point. And as I said to
Frank Barnt, something I always loved watching him do was
was set up as outside Joe Stanley was the same
and it was different, you know back then. But you
know the number of tries that guys like John Gallahan,
John Kerwin and Terry Wright got because they played outside
Joe Stanley. He just put them into space. You're right,
a small body of work, and you're right, one game,

(15:38):
you can't make a judgment. I think it's worthy of
further experimentation though, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (15:43):
Oh yeah, But.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Again I wouldn't just ride off proper yet. I like
I say that. I mean Japia scored a great try.
I think he came on in the Test against South
Africa and Eden part was it, But I mean that
was at second five, I think. But you know those
aren't setting up your outsides, you know what I'm saying.
Can I also just add that I think the best

(16:07):
center in New Zealand rugby at the moment is Stacy Walker.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
We need to get her in, don't we.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yes, just based on the spatial awareness, peripheral vision, whatever
you want to call it. She you can see her
summing up her options while running with the ball in
two hands, and she's just she's absolutely brilliant at it.
She's like, I don't know, female Bruce roberts From there
you go. There's some high praise.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
No, absolutely ash high praise indeed, but I think an
accurate comparison. Yeah, Bruce Robertson famous for running with the
ball in both hands? Wasn't he so he didn't know
what he was going to do? Was he going to pass?
Was he going to keep running? Stacy Walker? You're right
exactly the same, Thanks, Ash, appreciate it. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. Peter's made the point that Jordi
Bart and Billy Proctor didn't play together this year at

(16:54):
the Canes. Yes, sorry, Peter, I probably should have been
more specific. They didn't because Jordie was at Leinster. But
I guess if you're going to develop a partnership, then
the attraction of having two guys who played together at
super rugby level. Is certainly there because you get a
much greater opportunity for the two of them to play together.

(17:15):
And I'mazar eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two
ninety two for text messages seven twenty four. We're going
to check in with the Warriors reserve grade side this
hour as well, but if you'd like to talk some rugby,
give us your midfield pairing, give us your assessment of
Quinte Pier's first test start at center. Would love to
hear from you back with some of your calls after
this on Sports Talk at seven twenty four.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Forget the ref's call, you make a call Olive eight
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Speaker 2 (17:47):
Seven twenty seven. Quinn at second five to release Billy
Proctor's brilliance at center. It's easy, he says, David. Yeah,
I'm not quite sure what that means for Jordy Barrett. David,
I presume you mean he plays somewhere else, maybe at fullback.
We've had that discussion as well, but I think Geordy
Barrett's going to be in the team, and if he
wants to play at second five and Raiser wants them
to play at second five, then the only vacancy is

(18:07):
at center. But I like the way you're thinking, Hayden.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
Hi mate, how you doing man?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Very good?

Speaker 7 (18:12):
Good? I love Quinn to Bayer at center, absolutely outsteanding,
just just so tough, tough with the ball in hand,
runs hard, and yeah, I think Jordie's the guy to provide,
the provide the dream balls and everything. And it was yeah,

(18:35):
I he's my man.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
I did notice as well. You probably did too, Hayden.
It on occasion they swapped, didn't they And Quinta Pie
was outside outside Damian McKenzie at second five rather than
in the back line he was. He was at center.
They swapped and I guess you can do that, can't you? Yeah? No,
I like you. I just liked his physicality, how robust
he was, and how whenever he got the ball he
seemed to run straight rather than laterally. Not saying the

(19:00):
others do that, but he just seemed to just go
up the guts, which I loved.

Speaker 7 (19:05):
No, we've and can be's a ballplayer. So they like you,
so they can they can go elsewhere they can train
to positions. So yeah, no, I rated it a big
to him.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
I did two mate, thanks for calling. Look, I yeah,
rave reviews. He's getting Rave reviews. And I still haven't
met how to work out why he came off after
fifty seven minutes. I just assumed he was he was
carrying an injury. I mean, guys playing like that, you
just really, Matt, they don't you. If anybody should be
able to talk about good centers, it's a guy called Conrad.

(19:41):
Hello Conrad.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
Oh yeah, just on my thunder on why he was
taken off. Yeah, that's an interesting one. I was asinally
going to mention two things. The first thing just quick,
the disclosure and needing part, and Perth was great at
the last ten to fifteen minutes. The decision making from
McKenzie and Roy Guard. I mean, if you're gonna blast
Robertson ended those two well All blacks over Wellington, you

(20:07):
need to give them a book bouquet over how they've
closed the last two matches.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Good point, very good point, Conyra Yeah, and.

Speaker 6 (20:15):
So yeah, back to the center Pinan though just traditionally
the end of year too has been kind of like
a quasi experimentation stage. I mean I was going to
actually mention this to you back in June Jordi was
playing for Lisa. We get into a stage where we
know what Jordi offers. So why does Jordy continue to
start at twelve, put to Prior at twelve and Procter

(20:37):
at thirteen for the end of year tour and put
Jordie on the beach. We know what Jordy mo We
know what Jordi brings overall, and he brings a lot
to other places as well, such as the thing. We
don't know what the future holds, will Jordan might have
a career ending.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Injury, intriguing Conrad intriguing mate, And look, I find myself,
I find myself really liking the idea. So if not
in all the test matches at the end of the year,
then certainly some of them. You're right, we know what
we're going to get from Jordi, just as we know
what we're going to get from Ardie Savia, for example.
So leaving him out for a couple of tests, you

(21:14):
don't lose anything apart from him not being in the team,
which I guess gives you a greater chance to wording.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
But you're right.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
If we're not going to experiment and in the second
year of a World Cup cycle, then when are.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
We Well, we'll have us think about this. We had
that great Super Rugby season. Jordy comes back from Lisa
and goes straight into the starting line up beginning. What
does that say that all the Super rugby players like
to Pira and everybody else? Yeah, that was the point
I was trying to make back in June. But anyway,
I've made my points and I'll leave it. That's the
other course. Cheers.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
It's a very good point, Conrad, And I think what
it says what to answer your question? I guess if
needed an answer at the end there, What does it
say to the guy's playing Super rugby, It's that you've
got a bit of catching up to do. That We've
got a player who is so good in his position,
Jordy Barrett, that even without a Super Rugby season under
his belt, he is still the best guy to wear

(22:04):
the twelve jumper until Scott Robertson and his fellow selectors
see otherwise, then he's still the man you're chasing. I do, though,
find myself intrigued by what you just said, Conrad, about
how they now manage the end of year tour. It's

(22:24):
a very fine balancing act. You want to win the
Test matches and a couple of them appeal as perhaps
a little more comfortable than the others. The order is
Ireland first, then Scotland, then England then Wales. So on
recent form, Ireland and England would appear to be the

(22:46):
more tougher propositions among those four. So maybe you look
at changing things up against Scotland and Wales, where with
all due respect to those sides, and Scotland have improved,
Wales are a bit of a basketcase. With all due
respect to those sides, it shouldn't really matter who we
put out, we should win those games. So do you
then look at experimentation? Do you look at the guys

(23:09):
who you know are going to be in your best
fifteen on any given day against the strongest opposition. If
you are picking a team for a World Cup match,
a World Cup knockout match, they would be in it.
And I'm talking about guys like Jordy Barrett, like Will Jordan,
like Ardie Savier, like cam roy Guard And you say, okay,
where as Conrad said, we know what you can do.

(23:33):
We know what you're about. We're not really going to
learn any more about you from watching you play some
more rugby. We would like to learn a bit more
about some other guys, and this is our opportunity to
do it. But he's still going to win test matches,
and those guys as well want to play every game.
I think if you went to camp Jordi, Barrett, any
of those guys I mentioned and said, hey, we're just
going to you know, we're just going to build a

(23:54):
bit of depth here, try a few things out. You're
not going to play, I think they'd say, what do
you mean? Is that the way you use the black jersey? Really?

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Is that what we do?

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Do we just give the do we use the black
jersey as an explos ermentation tool?

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Now?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Peter says, I wonder how Quinn would have gone against
the Springboks backline. I think they're much harder than the
Wallabies backs. Yeah, I guess we won't know will We
are not sure how long term combinations can be formed
in the modern day game, given the coaches tend to rotate. Yeah,
that's the other part of it too, isn't it is

(24:30):
that if you are rotating, how do you build the combinations.
At some point you have to decide which of the
two things you are doing, And as I've said a
couple of times over the weekend, I think you do
that outside of the last year to eighteen months heading
into a World Cup. If eighteen months out from the
World Cup we don't know what our best combination is,
then we haven't been spending the first two and a

(24:50):
half years of the World Cup cycle very well. Text
here we realize now how fortunate we were with non
Owen Smith. Yeah, I think we've had some tremendous midfield combinations.
Non Owen Smith, Little in Bunts are the two that
spring most instantly to mind. He looked like an All

(25:13):
Black center. He looks like a player, says this text.
We expect from center, hard running, aware of space, tackles well.
Best performance at center this year, Adam says the best
center for the All Blacks will be RYCEE.

Speaker 8 (25:24):
Walsh.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I don't think he's available, don't think he's availed lots
of texts coming through Pony to Pie. Played well, but
he does tend to get injured and knocked a bit often.
I like Procter at thirteen and Hervilli at twelve. You
see David Harvilli seems to have not dropped off the
radar necessarily, but has certainly not featured this year as

(25:50):
he after his Super Rugby season where he was one
of the best players for the Crusaders, hasn't been selected.
And see he was out there for Tasman yesterday. I
guess that's what he is doing now. David Harvilli was
a big part of the last couple of three years
and would never let you down. Quit at twelve. Jordie

(26:11):
at thirteen, says Blair. Swap him around. Yeah, I don't
know about that. I'm not sure about Jordie at thirteen,
which I think we probably need to find a place
for Jordy and keep him there. Pinty Quinn had a
great game, should get the next start. But as good
as it was, he only displayed a second five skill
set one position out. It was all taking gaps and

(26:32):
hard running. There wasn't the traditional setting up of the
outsides that's been missing in the ABS since the retirement
of Conrad Smith. Asn't aside Jordie's best game for a
long time. He plays better when his brother isn't there. Look,
I don't know about that last but Paul, But yeah,
I thought he had a good game. I thought he
had a really good game, Jordie, and has played well
pretty much all year, hasn't He got about sixty seconds

(26:54):
dugo before we get to some rugby league. How are
you mate?

Speaker 8 (26:58):
Very good mate. Best thing I ever didn't see was
though I didn't see the game, I didn't see the game.

Speaker 10 (27:06):
Heard we.

Speaker 8 (27:10):
A few goals against the ass and beat them. We
beat the Ossies. That's all the care a bit because
I'm a lot Australian. I went to Australia one day
and there's lots of Australians. There are lots of Kiwis,
and they didn't like each other because they played rugby
against each other.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Fair enough, they go, yeah, look that's a problem with
going to Australia as there are Australians there. But yeah,
I'm like you. I was pleased to see them win.
I'm always pleased to see the All Blacks one twenty
three away from eight two pieces of silverware for the
Warriors Reserve gaids Grades side in twenty twenty five. Having
secured the new South Wales Cup last weekend, they yesterday

(27:49):
ented the State Championship and that is it were well
done to the New Zealand Warriors.

Speaker 11 (27:54):
For the first time in the club's history, they won.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
A game on Nrlman Final Day.

Speaker 10 (27:58):
They won the twenty twenty five state championship and emphatic
fashion over the Burly Bears.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's the Warriors fifty defeat of the Bears twenty. Warriors
Reserve Grade coach is David tang Tangata toa he joins
us now. Congratulations on the win, David, and welcome and
utterly extraordinary season. Twenty four wins, a drawer and just
three losses, two trophies. What were the main reasons for
your incredible consistency.

Speaker 10 (28:25):
Yeah, it's a great question. Yeah, I put it down
to obviously the players and their efforts all year. They've
probably been the most consistent team that I've ever sort
of been involved with, just through their preparation and their
effort each week and the willingness just to sort of
work really hard for each other.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
The nature of Reserve grade, of course, is that you
have an ever changing roster of players available to you.
How do you as a coach manage that dynamic?

Speaker 10 (28:57):
Yeah, Like it's obviously part of the job. But we're
here to sort of basically have players fitting ready for
the NRL. Yeah, you sort of get used to it.
I've been a coach at this level now for a
few years, so it just sort of comes with the territory.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
How do you manage the more experienced players in particular
who had previously been first grade regulars but have now
dropped down into your side? How do you manage them specifically?

Speaker 10 (29:28):
Yeah, Like, you've got to have a strong culture within
the club because obviously there's some boys there that probably
aren't where they want to be. So yeah, it's just
really important that the club has a strong culture because yeah,
we want to sort of have that team first, club
first attitude.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
And have you seen from players like I'll use a
specific example, I've got like Bunty ya for have you
seen from him when he dropped down the ability to
mentor and to help the younger players who are coming
through at the other end I guess of their journeys.

Speaker 10 (30:02):
Yeah, he's been terrific, Bunty. I've been really lucky that
I've had a real strong sort of leaders group some
of those more older experienced guys, and they've done a
great job because you know, they've led the way and
we've got some good young kids coming through that we
sort of hope that they make the transition to NRL.

(30:26):
And yeah, Bunty Kilaney, you know, Tom Harley, Ed Cossi,
guys like that that are leaving the club but have
done a great job this year just leading the New
Southwest Cup.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
So when you think about your goals at the start
of the season, David, are you targeting success in terms
of what you achieved on the field this season or
are you more you know, gauging your success around how
many guys you can have graduate up to the first
grade side, either now or in the future.

Speaker 10 (30:58):
Yeah. So New South Bells Cup's a development great still.
So we're here to obviously develop players to get them
ready for the NR, but I think it's also important
that we teach them how to win as well, so
when they do go to the NRL, they know what
that feeling and they know what it looks like. So

(31:18):
it's a development team, but you still want to have
success as well, so that it's just getting the balance
right there.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
The club also has Harold Matthews Cup under seventeen side,
ISG Ball under nineteen side, Jersey Flag under twenty one side.
How important is the full pathway from those teams through
to yours and onto the first grade.

Speaker 10 (31:39):
Yeah, it's really important. You know a lot of the
elite players have gone through that pathway system, so yeah,
it's like the club does such a great job to
field all these teams, especially when you know we play
in Australian competitions. So yeah, full credit to the club

(32:00):
with their investment around fielding all those teams, and it
definitely helps the ANRL product if we've got strong sort
of pathway systems.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
And a couple of guys this year have have been
standouts in first grade who previously have course been in
the reserve grade side Dimitric Vaimonga and Liqua Hallaesima graduating
to first grade. What's it like watching those guys excel
you in first grade having had them under your wing.

Speaker 8 (32:30):
Yeah, no, it's really cool.

Speaker 10 (32:31):
You know, I sort of had a really small part
to play, and obviously Dim and Lecquer, you know, they've
been in the in the pathway system for a while.
But yeah, it's it's probably the most rewarding part of
the job is seeing guys, you know, make their an
RL day boot and then just to see how proud

(32:53):
obviously their families are, and yeah, it's a it's a
nice experience.

Speaker 7 (32:58):
To be a part of.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
How many of this twenty twenty five side of yours
can you see becoming first grade regulars in the future.

Speaker 10 (33:05):
Well that's the channe, isn't it. So we've definitely got
some good young kids coming through. But they've got to
work really hard. Obviously they get a bit of a
break now, but you know preseason is really important for them,
this preseason coming up, so yeah, there's a bit of

(33:25):
hard work to be done there. But we're a bit
excited as well of some of those boys coming through.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
There's always been a talk around a guy who's surname
is Cleary. I guess Jets spend time with you. How's
he tracking? What do you protect for him in the future.

Speaker 10 (33:42):
Yeah, Jet's done a really good job. He obviously filled
in when Tanner Boyd went up, and then obviously once
the NRL was done, Tanner came back and I had
to finish a year off with us. So yeah, Jets
had a really strong start at the club. He started
in Flag and then I think it was after round

(34:03):
eleven came up and played I think eight nine games
for US, So yeah, he's progressing really well. Yeah, he's
done a really good job. So yeah, we're excited to
see where Jet goes. And he's probably one of those
kids that we talk about like they've got to have
a really good pre season this year or next year. Sorry,

(34:27):
and then yeah, we'll see where they see it.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Indeed. All right, so the team gets a break. Now,
what about you? Are you beck with Tonga again this
year as part of their coaching stuff.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 10 (34:38):
Tuesday next week, so I get a week off and
then we fly to Tonga and we've got a four
day camp in Tonga. So yeah, haven't really given that
too much thought at the moment. I'll sort of enjoy
what we did yesterday for a couple of days and
then I'll get my head around starting to prepare for Tonga.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Great stuff, David, Well, congratulations on overseeing superb success on
the field and development off with the reserve. Great side
the season. Really appreciate you the time for a chat.

Speaker 10 (35:07):
Awesome thanks having me, No.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Thanks for joining us, David. David Tongue dat toa the
reserve grade coach for the Warriors who won the state
Championship yesterday to add to the New South Wales Cup
that they won last weekend. Quarter to eight. So where
will the Warriors reserve code side end up on Piney's
Power rankings? He you ask, Well, I don't actually, but
it's a question where will they end up? We'll find
out in a minute Piney's Power rankings after this.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
Base our rankings.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
All right, let's right the weekend time for Pinney's Power rankings,
the best, the worst and the in between. But it's
from the sporting weekend. Netball New Zealand are at ten,
another thoroughly forgettable weekend as the Dame Nole and Saga
drags on and nothing at all of substance from CEO
Jenny Wiley on ere yesterday.

Speaker 12 (35:57):
We are working through a confidential employment process. They are
part of a confidential employment matter. To respect the confidentiality
and the privacy of all involved in the process and
the confidentiality, I think what we are in is a
really confidential process. Again, that is confidential.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
If I never heard that word again, it'll be too soon.
Auckland Rugby are very very disappointing. NPC campaign has mercifully
come to an end.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Rolling more five meters from the Auckland line.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Is this dry number six?

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yes it is.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Oh the Yahoos go up.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
Oh, it's way too easy for Otago.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Eight losses in ten games, three hundred and seventy nine
points conceded, including one hundred and forty five in the
last three games alone. A miserable season for this once
proud rugby province sheet. The Chapel Hadley series bit of
a fizzer, cold and wet at Bay Oval and the
black Caps comfortably beaten by Australia.

Speaker 11 (36:57):
And that is going to do it, Abbott with the
winning boundary Australia sweet the Kiwe's turn in in the series.
The Chapel Hadley mains on the other side of the
Tasman a three wicket victory here tonight, but really this
is the game.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
That Mitchell marsh won Roll On the actual Summer seven,
the All Blacks are at seven with their seventh win
of the year.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Most of the line have to be certains. They last
of Janity and they go over and they father.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
It's George Bellen, George Bow's first ever professional try of
bonus point one in Perth. Let Us like Cup retained
Roll on the Northern Tour six. The Broncos are at six.
NRL champions. REECEE Walsh producing a game for the ages.
We gats ten and Whils comes round and Reece Walsh

(37:55):
was there.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Hatsville us.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Reece Walstau has alone fives another pass.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
It was Barry flax evers. I'll just say the game
Reese wlsh undisputed. Clive Churchill medallist and now an NRL champion.
Five into the top half. Shane van Gisberg and winning
the latest NASCAR event in Charlotte by staggering fifteen point
one six second in a very humble approach.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Shane Van Gisberg and answered all the questions and said,
I'm not necessarily gonna be granted a winning this race,
but he's got the win.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
The girls, picking up his fifth consecutive road course win
of the NASCAR season, even though he came into the
race already out of playoffs. Contention. Sure wait Cuttou's Farah
Palmer Cup sider at four. They are champions for twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
They Jaff need to get it out and you're gonna
keep charging you here, Hi do the best.

Speaker 10 (38:51):
All are those Devin to Kennbury.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
Your death today.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Previous hard fought nineteen to thirteen win over Canterbury instead
of final in Hamilton Free Harris sprint at Danielle Hison
smashing her own world record to win the women's t
thirty six to two hundred meter title for a third
straight year. Agents, it's gonna be fast. World record's gone

(39:20):
novel and second burns on gast the bronze, but daniel
Agents and takes the gold again twenty seven point one
to eight seconds, breaking her previous mark by point twenty
nine of a second. She also completes the sprint double
at the Champs after claiming gold in the one hundred
meters as well. Paul Cole the first Kiwi to win

(39:41):
the prestigious Cutter Squash Classic, ending a six match losing
run against world number one Mustafa us All.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
First time.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
So many occasions in last twenty nineteen and.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Two more previous finals, but he's won twenty three five yeh.
Paul Cole had previously lost three finals in Doha, but
overcame asal in four games, his first major title since
the Hong Kong Open in December twenty twenty three.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
One.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
The Warriors Reserve Grade side a clinical climax to an
utterly brilliant season, thumping the Burly Bears to win the
state championship, and now they're.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Looking for a half century.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
They support looming up. It's Hanson. Has he got the legs?

Speaker 1 (40:32):
He does, He's in the corner.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Hanson gets a double tanaboid from out wide, says he
never misses, and well he doesn't miss straight over the
black dot.

Speaker 8 (40:43):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
The future looking pretty bright for the Warriors, with their
reserve grade side playing so well, providing players up to
the first grade side, but also allowing those who have
fallen out of first grade favor to mentor the younger players.
Those are Piney's power rankings for tonight. They are back
on news talks. He'd be next Monday, coming up four

(41:09):
to a couple of texts to mop up. Jason. You
forgot Johnny Tata winning the first down Under PDC Darts
Premier League tournament. Yeah, she got sent some footage of
that Sydney. Was it was it in Sydney? Yeah, good
to see Johnny Tuta win that after he was on
the power rankings last week for his nine data so
he could have gone back to back. So yes, thank
you for you the feedback and Gary Say's pinty How
good was the NRL Final and that absolute freak Reecee Walsh.

(41:33):
Great competition, amazing viewing, it really was, wasn't it. It
was terrific stuff. One of the great Grand Finals. I
see Michael Burgess and the Herald today as saying it
was the greatest of all time. There's a bit of
competition there, but I guess we can debate that another night.
That's us on Sports Talk tonight. Huge thanks for Corbyn
for stepping into produce tonight. Thanks mate, enjoy the rest

(41:54):
of your week. Marcus Lush is on your radio after
eight o'clock to take you through the rest of tonight
and on back on weekend Sport this coming Saturday between
midday and three. Look forward to your company. Then, thanks
for joining us tonight. By for now mark us after this.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
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