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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, Dan Good, evening, shut up. Welcome in to Monday
night sports Talk on news Talk said be best night
of the week. We get to review the weekend. It's
November ten. Happy eighty first birthday to thirty four game
All Blacks number eight. Former captain and per TONI legend
Andy Leslie and the great Don Clark was also born
on this date. In nineteen thirty three. The man they

(00:45):
called the Boot played eighty nine times for the All Blacks.
He passed away in two thousand and two. Oh Jason
Pine Show producer is Annie McDonald. We're here talking sport
until eight o'clock. What about d mac yesterday? Has any
player ever got Man of the Match for a thirty
five minute performance in an All Blacks test? His part

(01:06):
in the game's most significant moments was so key, so integral,
and even though he came on earlier than would have
been planned because of Caleb Clark's head knock, his role
as an impact player just seems like such an irresistible
proposition now. His X factor, his effectiveness and broken play,

(01:28):
his unpredictability, his very very good goalkicking. They're all factors
that we need in a bloke wearing number twenty three.
Is that how you feel or is there a contrary view?
Is there still a school of thought that Damian McKenzie
should be challenging for the ten jersey or the fifteen jersey.
Keend to kick this one around with you. Rugby coach

(01:49):
and analyst Sam Ward along with his view shortly, he's
a very keen observer of the game, having coached and
commentated at various levels, So I just am keen to
know from you whether it's it's just the twenty three jersey.
Now for dmac his his to own for the next
couple of years. Imagine him coming on in a tight

(02:11):
game at the end of a Rugby World Cup quarterfinal,
semi final final and providing that spark. I think, given
the next two years to hone that skill, to develop
that craft even further, and you've got probably the best
impact player in the world, just like Boden Barrett was
in twenty fifteen. I don't know, maybe I'm getting a

(02:32):
bit too excited off the back of thirty five minutes yesterday,
but I thought he was terrific. So d Maac tonight.
Also we preview the biggest week on the racing calendar,
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always rake the weekend Piney's Power rankings, the best, the
worst and the in between from the sporting Weekend. Lots

(02:54):
of candidates too. We had to leave a few out
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Speaker 1 (03:16):
You no need for the DMO. We've got the breakdown
on Sports Talk cal O News Talk, said b.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
A dazzling performance from Damien McKenzie has been a huge
factor in getting the All Blacks home against Scotland at Murrayfield.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
At voting Farrah's a pass to find and not you,
he said, to pick it up in the field.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
They try people.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
McKenzie, I think he got there.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
He's saying his buddy a Merrit calling away an he
scored that tried Jamie.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Mckenze, having also impacted the winover Island off the bench
last weekend, McKenzie came off the bench early in the
second half yesterday morning to replace Caleb Clark late in
the game, a booming fifty to twenty two to break
Scottish hearts of physics, defying try and a late fifty
meter penalty with blood pouring down his face help the
All Blacks win twenty five seventeen in Edinburgh. Let's kick

(04:14):
this around and bring in longtime rugby coach with the
likes of North Harbor, The New Zealand Under Twenties and
Tashiba in Japan. Also commentator and analyst on television and
radio and currently head of rugby at Silverdale United Rugby
and Sports Club, Sam Ward. Sam, thanks for joining us
this evening on Sports Talk. Should anything Damien McKenzie does
now surprise us anymore.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
Absolutely not. I think what he's done has established himself
as one of the kings of unstructured rugby, which is
exciting because that's generally with tries get scored.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
So in that case then is his best use that
impact role. He's becoming an increasingly appealing proposition there coming
off and playing unstructured, which obviously happens later in games.
Do you think that's his best use for the All Blacks.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
I think the luxury is that he can play in
that front line out the back, and Boding can fay
in the front line with mackenzie at the back. But
they can also I suppose, chop and change a little
bit as well, depending on the game and depending on
where the space is. So for me, I think especially
this weekend against a team like England, it's going to
be a very high pressure, high attritional game. It's going

(05:24):
to have to the all that's going to have to
work to break things down and to create that space,
and when they do, I think that's when you inject mckensis.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Do you think he's still an option, a strong option
given the right opposition and the right set of circumstances
to start test matches.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean I think if the Oblicks identify
opportunities to I suppose get the game unstructured and I
suppose exploit space early in the game then by all means,
but if they can't see I suppose the gaps that
they might see against other oppositions, then potentially he's better
off the bench.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Playing unstructured rugby is obviously a superpower because it brings
with it a high degree of, you know, of the
opposition not being able to tell you what you're going
to do. Is there a chance of overplaying that sam
being being so unstructured that your own team don't know
what you're.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Going to do.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah, I think it's pretty important to have a structure
to or unstructured and I know that might make a
few people to go cross eyed. But so for example,
you look at NPC rugby and I'd say a good
seventy plus percent of those tries come from unstructured footy,
from turnover plays. As you go higher up the levels,
there's obviously less opportunities and much more pressure. So when
it comes to test match you have to work really

(06:39):
hard to create unstructured opportunities. So I do think he
can start games, but I think right now the form
that he's in and the way that the All Blacks
are playing the game, injecting him later in the piece
is proving obviously really effective.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Can you coach what he does?

Speaker 5 (06:58):
I think there might be parameters, and I think that
would be some pretty consistent conversations with the All Blacks
coaching staff. But also I think if you can find
a way to create opportunities for your team to give
him the ball in space, I think he's got a
little bit of magic about him, as we saw with
that try yesterday.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I guess I'm also asking, is you know, can you
train to be like that? Or is it just something
that comes with instinct, something that is in somebody's DNA.
They've always grown up, They've been the guy who's the
best touch player for example. You know, growing up, is
that something that you can acquire or is it really
just intrinsic.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
I think he's always had that back obviously with his
early highlights back in cross college days. He always had
that flare and that natural speed, the speed of feet
and the strength. And I think I suppose going through NPC,
going through Super Rugby, the amount of scenarios and games
that you play where you get opportunities to utilize those

(07:57):
skill sets is obviously what's pushed them into that All
Blacks frame. And I believe that All Blacks will have
parameters around how they use it, and they'll have and
then understanding around when he needs to stick to that
structure and when he needs when he can pull trigger
and light it up.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
How difficult sam is that to set those parameters without
fencing a talent in.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
That's a million dollar question. But to be fair, based
on the form on the weekend, and I suppose the
momentum that the All Blacks enjoyed later in that game,
it sounds like they might have a few things put
together in a few I suppose agreements that have everyone
on the same page, which will be important, especially against.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
England when it comes to the Chiefs. Obviously, he's too
good a player to have coming off the bench. He's
played well, he split his time. Really, he's played a
lot of ten, a lot of fifteen. Where do you
think he is best in a starting role.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
He's got a bit of magic about him in both
Obviously watch him, watching him come into the line from
fallback is really exciting. But at the same time, if
he's got a big four pack in front of him
and he can spot opportunities to release that ball at
the back and attack that space with a speed, then
he's very very effective, and I think the way that

(09:16):
the Chiefs play, and I think the way that the
Orblet's playing, he's got license to thee in the backfield
and in the front field, so obviously close to the
line where he can put people off balance and break
that line. He's obviously very effective. But when his team
has worked through the middle created that space, he's sharned
how electric he is out on the edges as well.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Is the duel playmaker thing, the team fifteen duel playmaker
is still a rugby trend or not.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Yeah, I believe so. I believe so generally you might
find your midfielders out towards the edge a little bit more.
You've got your tens and your fifteen's playing in behind
the forwards. Through the middle of the park. There's a
whole bunch of different attacking shapes that teams are playing
to make sure that they can utilize that space. But
whether teams want to bash down the edges or bash
through the middle, there's a lot of variation. So that's

(10:05):
why he's all touching the ball, because they need him
in and around that ball to make those key decisions.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
When Richie Mwonga comes back next year. Can you see
a scenario under which all three of Richie Mwonga, Bowden
Barrett and Damien McKenzie are in and all blacks twenty three?

Speaker 5 (10:25):
Oh it's a really very good question, Piney, But based
off form and what we know that Richie may can do,
we'd be pretty mad not to do our best to
include all three.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
I guess what it would mean would be, So let's
say Richie mo Wonga plays ten because that's where he plays,
So one of Damien McKenzie or Boaden Barrett would have
to start at fallback and the other one would have
to be in the twenty three. So that's not beyond
the realms of possibility. They could do that.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
I think that sounds fairly sensible to me. I mean,
Bones obviously played a lot at back and as comfortable
just like Richie working for them back and interchanging it.
And then as you know, was Dan and foot speed
and defensive efforts. He's very good off the bench. So yeah,
it'll be a balancing act for them next year, but
an exciting one.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
And then how do you start to introduce new guys
like I mean, there's a pretty handy first five by
the name of Josh Jacob running around as well. He'll
be at the Chiefs again next year then off to
the Highlanders. How at the Chiefs in particular, would John Gibbs,
the new coach, be tempted to give Josh Jacob a
bunch of time in the ten jumper and because he
knows that Damian McKenzie will do a job for him

(11:35):
at fullback.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
To be honest, I think at that there will be
a lot of conversations between all Blacks and super coaches
and they'll be running a similar dynamic to make sure
that they can build that cohesion with both guys playing
frontline and back line.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Intriguing proposition for national coaches, for super coaches, it's an
intriguing conversation for our listeners. Sam, thanks so much for
lending this your analysis. Really appreciate your time.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
Nowhere's pony any time.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Good to chat to you, Sam. Thanks indeed, Sam Ward,
they're very experienced rugby coach, a student of the game,
analyst of the game, commentator as well on gold Sport
also on sky Sport. With his thoughts there, yours are
welcome to a lot of what Sam said there kind
of marries up with what I think, but it wasn't unequivocal,
was it. I think we were still leaving the door

(12:22):
open for Damien McKenzie to play a starting role. And
even when I chatted to Scott Hanson yesterday on Weekend
Sport and asked in that very question, is Damien McKenzie
now basically your your twenty three your impact player off
the bench? He said nope, no, nope, we pick a
team for the opposition. I look though at what has

(12:42):
been done this year and it's almost the reverse of
last year. Last year, if you remember, Damien McKenzie was
given the keys to the car. He was given the
ten jumper and he played one, two, three, four, five, six,
seven eight. He played the eight first eight, the first
eight Tests of the year, both against England, Fiji, both

(13:05):
against Argentina, both against South Africa and the first one
against Australia. And then Boden Barrett came in and they
sort of chopped and changed for the rest of the year.
But Damien McKenzie played every Test last year, ten starts
and four off the bench. If we look at this year,
he's again played all eleven Test matches, but he has

(13:27):
only started three of them. Eight of them have come
off the bench, and Boden Barrett, by contrast, has started
nine and not come off the bench at all. Boden
Barrett has not played a bench role for the All
Blacks in twenty twenty five. I wonder what that means
when Richie more Nger comes back. Your thoughts were welcome

(13:48):
on this O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Let's
take some calls, because much as Sam said it was
an interesting proposition, I'm not sure that all three of
Boden Barrett, Richie Moore Unger and Damien McKenzie do fit
nicely into a twenty three man match day squad. I
think we can all see that Scott Robertson is a

(14:09):
massive fan of Richie Warnger from their time together at
the Crusaders. He calls him as quarterback. He is going
to be the first choice first five, all things being equal,
for the All Blacks once he returns and is eligible.
So that leaves Boden Barrett and Damien McKenzie to find
positions in the match Day twenty three other than the
ten jersey. Now, if Damien McKenzie continues to play well

(14:32):
as an impact player off the bench, then I think
he builds enough of a body of work to be
almost essential in that role. He almost ensures himself against
the return of Richie Warnger. And so what does that
mean for Boden Barrett when the music stops? Is there

(14:52):
a chair for him? Mixing metaphors of but I know?
Or is there room for all three? Could it be
that Boden Barrett goes to fall back Damien McKenzie off
the bench, Will Jordan goes on to the wing because
we have an Apseolo lutely landed on our best wing combination,
have we It's not as though numbers eleven and fourteen
are rusted on. We've given a few blocks ago and

(15:14):
just on that. The other selection conundrum, and a more
immediate one for the All Blacks this week, is who
plays on the left wing? Caleb Clark ruled out, took ahead,
not twelve day mandatory stand down. So who comes in
on the left wing. If you look at who has
played in the eleven jersey this year, Rico Yowani has
had five tests there sevu Reese has had one, Leroy

(15:37):
Carter has had one before he came across to the
right wing. Caleb Clark's had three and Leicester fighting. Anuku
has had a test on the left wing the game
against Australia in Perth. So there are options. But do
you want to break up that midfield combination that looked
pretty good the other day yesterday morning to buy a

(15:58):
fightinger Anuku? So you leave Lester in there and do
you bring Rico Yowani back? It was just yesterday I
was talking about what the future and an All Blacks
jersey might be for Rico Yuwani. Well maybe this opens
the door. He comes back onto the wing and has
a stormer and is back in the conversation. Leroy Carter
could shift over there, maybe somebody outside of the options

(16:22):
so far, does Ruben Love get a game, does he
come into fallback? Will Jordan onto the right wing? Leroy
Carter onto the left? I don't know. Lots of options.
Which one would you be choosing? And is that Damian
McKenzie in the twenty three the twenty three jersey that
is from now on, I'd be all in on it
for the big test matches between now and the Rugby

(16:45):
World Cup. I'd be honing his skills in an impact role,
getting him to face all sorts of different opposition and
different match situations coming off the bench. Nobody likes it.
Everybody would rather start the test match. But what is
the best value for the team. Seven twenty three, eight

(17:06):
ten eighty is our number if you want to jump
aboard the conversation nine two, nine to two for your text
messages without shortly taking some of your calls on Damien
McKenzie and the best all Blacks wing combinations.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Forget the refs call.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
You make a call on eight hundred eighty.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Sports Talk on your home of sports news Talks. They'd
be talks the b.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Seven twenty six. Let's get to the phone. Hello Stephen, Yeah, okay, pony.

Speaker 6 (17:32):
You know Damian McKenzie. I mean he won the game
for us, that was pretty obvious. The point you make
about him there twenty three I think is a really
good idea. I think he's only seventy five kilos and
you know in eighty plus minutes of rugby he can
get smacked around a bit and bringing him on with

(17:54):
thirty four point thirty five to go, I think is
is the way to go. But what I wanted to
say to your Piney was it was a big weekend
of sport, and we had the opportunity to watch France
South Africa. We had the opportunity to watch the all
Black Sids column and also we had the opportunity to
watch the Phoenix play AFC because the F six and

(18:20):
I sat there all weekend and watched everything I could.
And I must say that the and this is a
little bit off topic, but the diving that went on
within the Auckland AFC game and the Phoenix game was
just pathetic. And by the end of the game I
had enough. I mean, the AFC won well, they did

(18:42):
win well, but this that game and that that that
sport is just getting wrecked by every time someone comes
near you they dive and fall over. So and then
I watched Damian McKenzie with blooming head injuries and blood
on him and he's gay hard My god. That soccer

(19:04):
needs a buddy kicking. The The referees need to, you know,
they need to harden it up. It's just pathetic.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Steven, I agree with you. I think it's a blight
on the game. I think it's an absolute blight on
the game that some players, not all, but some will
go down at the merest hint of a touch from
an opponent, and you're right, it's not particularly palatable. It's
not a very attractive quality. And in other sports, and
you're right to point out rugby, rugby league, a lot

(19:34):
of other sports look at football and it is the
one thing I think that annoys them the most, that
that players will hit the deck at the merest hint
of contact from their opponent. It is a contact sport.
There are hard challenges and not everybody goes down like that.
But yeah, it's interesting that you, by the sounds of it,
you don't watch a lot of football. So if that's

(19:56):
the takeaway, then for a discretionary fan like yourself, it
is a worry if it's turning people off.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
Tiny I watch Pallas Supporter, I watch Live EBL as
much as I can, and I've watched thousands of games
of English soccer. So I'm not a discretionary you know,
I watch a lot of football. But that that game
in the weekend was just appalling. And if you if

(20:25):
you take the players aside and say why are you
doing this? Why are you looking like a girl, not
a girl, I shouldn't say a girl, but why are
you going down like this.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Like a goose? Why are you going down? Why are
you going down like a goose? The same I've often
thought that that should happen, and you know, on the
Monday footage should be replayed to the players who go
down like a drink of milk in front of their
teammates and they should be stood up and asked to
explain themselves.

Speaker 6 (20:51):
Oh. Absolutely, it's totally wrecking the game, mate.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Well, I hope you'll come back to it, Stephen. I
actually I enjoyed the derby much as there were incidents
that that you found displeasing. But I thought that the
contest was great. But but I do take your point,
and I've thought this for a long time. That and
and my apologies. You've clearly watched a lot of football
and it does happen overseas as well. But if you

(21:18):
if you picked up on it, particularly on the on
the coverage on Saturday night of the A League Derby,
then it clearly is a thing. Thanks for calling in, mate,
I appreciate your thoughts. Caine.

Speaker 7 (21:26):
Hi, Oh, good moning, mate. Maybe it's quite clear then,
just based off fit Lebron James watches soccer quite often
because after he is the king of flops, isn't he
So Michael Jordan will always be the goat mate injy.
But just on it, mate. Another thing I don't like.
You've got soccer too, is he gets you know, a

(21:47):
whole bunch of players surrounding the ref like juveniles, the
young kids just attacking the ref. You don't see that
in rugby and league, you know they get den to
red card. They just wore wolf and.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
It's yeah, another one. That's that's another one. I didn't
mean to. I didn't mean to turn this into a
football bashing exercise. But it's another one. You're right. I mean,
if you did that in rugby, you get my straight away,
straight away.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
Just take it on the chin, mate. But anyway, it's
the d mac attack, yes, with the clutch play attack,
oh man. As a chiefs man, you know, first the war,
I've always preferred d Mac at fullback as opposed to
stand off first five because like in rugby league, like
they tried to turn Kaylan Ponger into a number six,

(22:32):
and they did the same with Greg Englis, try to
bring him off the fullback to turn him into a
number six. And the commentators said that brilliantly that you're
turning an attacking player into a distributor. He is no
longer attacking, he's just distributing. And that's what you get
with d Mac When he moves into first five, he
just distributes with the odd sort of breakout. But when
he plays from full back or even better as impact

(22:55):
off off the bench, mate, he's just a lose cannon.
He's away. And so yeah, of course mate, I mean
you know when Richie comes back, Richie's the starting, you know,
and Will Jordan, I mean he always looks better on
the wing. He seems to be scoring his tries better
off the wing, or that he did score it in
the weekend. But you know, you wouldn't go miss putting

(23:17):
Boden at the back and then teach off the bench.
But he's a first of woman. What about the scott
Scotland and Scottish there's there's something this sort of there's
like a deep sort of history there when you watch
the whole planning and everything and and the bloomin anthem.
Oh man, something about Scotland that's they're real cooler. I

(23:39):
enjoy watching the Scottish player. They're close, mate, They're going
to get us Stonier or Lad it's a matter of time.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, and Kay. The other thing is also if they
do bet us, I'm not sure I'll be that annoyed.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
You know.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
I hate losing to Australia, to South Africa, to England,
probably most of all to Ireland now, but if Scotland
beat us, I quite like the Scottish people. They seem
like a very very fun group of people who I'd
like to spend a lot more time with. And if
they were to beat us, I think we'd probab probably
say you know what, you deserve it. They could have
beaten us yesterday, Kane, they could have won the game.

Speaker 7 (24:11):
Oh there's they are there close. I mean they're to
put to the border and I think they get the
momentum of course, man, I mean if they win and
they are again to beat us one day, this inevitable.
You know, there's no way we're going to you know,
it goes through history of the world without the Ing
beating us. They're going to do it sooner or Lana,
as you know. But you know, as you say, they're
good people and that they're not like the troupey Irish.

(24:32):
You know, a couple of wins all of a sudden
they're chirping. Yeah, fish in the common section, you know,
but like the South Africans we we call mouth Africans,
you know, they start chirping the way they But it
is what it is made. There's this all fun and games.
They made Rugby's rugby it is kin.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
It is always good to chat to you, Ma. I
love hearing your voice on the radio. Thanks for calling.
And yeah, I think you know, well I might be
in a minority, but I you know, there are teams
who you know, who just are very very bad winners.
And there's also teams and maybe it's because they haven't
beaten us very often. I probably before twenty sixteen quite
you know, like the idea of at some point the

(25:09):
Irish beating us. Not like the idea, but didn't mind
the idea. It wouldn't have been, you know, a great tragedy.
I mean, I hate it when the All Blacks lose
to anyone, but at the moment, if they were to
lose to Scotland, I'd probably you know, shrug my shoulders
and say, well, god on you, you finally got that
monkey off your back. And those players have earned themselves
a piece of history. It's clearly a tremendous place to

(25:33):
watch a game of rugby too. Listening to Elliott Smith
describe it on our radio commentary yesterday and hearing others
who were there talk about just how special the place is.
Murray Field and the lone piper, you know, to complete
silence before a game, and they respect the hucker and
they respect the kickers, well I think they do anyway,

(25:56):
maybe I'm looking at it through a roastinted glasses. Anyway,
They're gonna have to wait, aren't They're gonna have to wait.
Let's get a couple of texts away before we move.
James says, didn't Boone ebarra It do the same against
England at Eden Park last year on for twenty minutes
won the game. Great memory, James, That's exactly what he did.
In the second test of last year when England were
either ahead or it was very very level. Boden Barrett

(26:19):
did come off the bench. Damien McKenzie started that game.
Boden Barrett wore the twenty three, came on and made
a huge difference in twenty minutes. So yes, maybe it
isn't a mortgage for d mac on that twenty three
Massy's poney, we have to have a bench where those
impact players are as good, if not better, as the
guys that start. That was our point of difference when
we had Sunny Bill Boden, Dane Cole's, Scott Barrett, Sam Kaine, etc.

(26:42):
You know what I mean, mate, If our bench is
as strong as the starters, we will win ninety nine
percent of games. Bang on us.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Absolutely. It's just such a fine balancing act, isn't it.
Because you want to look at guys and see them
in the starting fifteen, But if their best use is
in a jersey from sixteen to twenty three, then you
probably have to test them out in that jersey. D
make a twenty three is and moot point pinety. If
they can't play a test without giving away a yellow card,

(27:11):
we won't ever shove winning the World Cup. I'm totally
frustrated and disappointed with the lack of discipline in this group.
It's the worst it's ever been. Now. I think I'll
certainly be looking at those three yellow cards from yesterday
with a fair degree of care over the next couple
of days. You'll never walk alone, Piney, but you just
may want to. After the result this morning, surely Liverpool

(27:32):
at number ten on Piney's Power rankings. Well, it was
a shot from left field. Let's wait and see, Jason,
did you see Lester pass it to a winger outside
him at all yesterday? The answer is no, he's not
a distributor at all. Powerful, yes, but you're not going
to see anyone outside him score while he's wearing thirteen.
Thanks Jeremy. Yeah, I think Lester has got tremendous leg power,

(27:53):
hasn't he And that's as effective on the wing as
it is at center. It didn't occur to me that
his distribution wasn't where it could have been, but I
appreciate it, Jeremy, Thanks very much. Indeed, I think that's
us it is. I think we can move because it's
a massive week ahead in christ Church Cup week at

(28:14):
Addington and also at Rickerton. Tab Racing book maker Thad
Taylor is with us on sports Talk. Thanks for taking
the time. How big a week? First of all is
Cup week for the tab Yeah.

Speaker 8 (28:27):
Massively important, pinety, good evening to you for the ta
B New Zealand Cup week, but New Zealand Trotting Cup
Day which we're obviously on the eve of running. Tomorrow
is still the biggest New Zealand day that we have
in terms of turnover. Yes, it's being challenged a little
bit now by the Kraka Million Thoroughbred Meeting and the
Nzbkey meetings which are run at hourslie a little bit

(28:48):
later in the year, but still massively important. And we
have three big thoroughbred days. We started on Saturday with
one thousand guineas day taken out well well written, and
Wednesday they race at Rickton and the final Saturday, and
it's Tuesday, Thursday, Tuesday and Friday should say we're harness
racing take center stage. And we also have the Greyhounds
on the Thursday night. So yeah, massive day tomorrow. It

(29:08):
is the clinicle of the week. New Zealand Cup Day
in New Zealand, the New Zealand Cup race in particular.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Now I know that the hot favorite is Australian pays
a Leap to Fame. What are you picking third leap
to fame to add the New Zealand Cup to his
glittering cv ah.

Speaker 8 (29:25):
It's hard to tip against him pioneer, but I'm saying
that Republican Party for the dal gettis the leading key
we hope has been going just super recently and really
taking another step this time. And what makes this particularly
interesting in New Zealand Cup is it's a standing start,
which the Australians aren't overly o fay with Piney. I

(29:46):
know Leap to Fame has had a couple of attempts
at a standing start, and the other Australian in the
field is a horse called Kingman. But we will have
an advantage with a standing start as opposed to a
mobile start where they come up behind a mobile barrier
arm so a lot. It will be down to the start.
If Leep to Fame can get away cleanly and make
his presence el early jee, it's hard to see him

(30:08):
being held out him and he wins eighty percent of
his races. He's had a little couple of little injury
scares of recent times, but prow he's back on tracking. Look,
if you wanted to watch one horse, we'll see one
horse in the flesh this cup week. I think it
would be Leap to Fame. He is a superstar. He's
the best trotter in Australasia by a country mile. And
if he trots away, as they say in the industry

(30:29):
and gets away cleanly, they can be awfully hard to
beat the best of the Kei Hoachses Republican Party. He
has been flying for Crann and Chrissy del Geddy and
obviously our customer base are still pretty keen to see
in New Zealand victory and at this stage now he's
a worse result for us than leap to fame, as
that might change by the time they get away tomorrow evening.
But yeah, he's a champion. I can't wait to see him.

(30:51):
I will be there for myself tomorrow at New Zealand
Cup Day down at Addington, so I'm looking forward to
seeing him in the.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Flesh, brilliant stuff. Some support races as well to look
out for. Then to Wednesday at Rickerton tab Mile Day
headlined by the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars tab
Any any inside info you can give us a couple
of days out of.

Speaker 8 (31:10):
Course, coursers Piney, you know there is day. Look, there's
a horse called Sarah Albert that is the favorite who's
been going particularly well. He will be hard to beat.
He's a four dollar sixty favorite in that race for
Terry Ray. He's looking for a hat trick.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
Of wins.

Speaker 8 (31:23):
Canon Hill brings Northern form down for Tony Pike. He's
cannon Hill been going particularly well as well. But I
don't mind a awse called Matt Scott. Now he's a
proven Group one gallopers. Matt Scott, I get some of
fifty seven and a half kilograms, which is in a
bad way for him. Yes, he's got an awkward barrier
draw to overcome, but his third last time out leading
into this suggest to me he's getting back to somewhere

(31:45):
near his best. So currently paying twelve dollars and three
dollars seventy Matt Scott. But as you'd expect, it's a
very very competitive tab mile there on the Wednesday at
Rickett and Parker sore out with the favorite. I thought
Matt Scott might have been a little bit of it
each way value in that race.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Greyhound's on Thursday at Addington, then show Day at Addington
on Friday. Couple of slot racers and also Group ones.
It'll be a good day to be there.

Speaker 8 (32:08):
Oh fantastic. And look, I hope you know these horses
that are running the New Zealand Cup, A lot of them.
The decision has made whether they're going to back up
in what we call the free for all on that Friday,
and I don't know a Fleet for Fame would even
conton plate it, but still obviously on the table at
this stage that he may back up in that free
for You mention those slot raisers, they're both for the

(32:29):
three year olds there. The Ascent is for the three
year old trotters and the Velocity is for the three
year old paces. We get to see marketplace going around.
I think he's a beautifully and his respective race there
on the Friday. But yeah, you say three group ones
on the Friday. It's a banging day over and gets
the day off on Friday down there in Canterbury as well,
Piney Show Day, so the crowds are brilliant usually on

(32:50):
the crowds are brilliant all week. There's no surprise there.
But that Friday is a great meeting if you can
get along to it. You go to the show during
the day, just nip into Addington for that afternoon session.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
And on Saturday at ricketson New Zealand Cup Day, the
one hundred and sixty second New Zealand Cup time on
it over thirty two hundred meters this far out what
can you tell us.

Speaker 8 (33:11):
Oh, look, there were two horses that ran on the
first day there. Just Charlie was one of them. He
was super leading into it. And Kevin Myers knows what
it takes to win a New Zealand Cup, but he
has to go up against against a horse called Titty
Karka for Adrian Bullen. He also is a very very
good trainer of stayers, So it's Kevin Myser's Adrian bull
two Central District's trainers. They know what it takes to

(33:32):
train a New Zealand Cup winner. Who knows the Mayor
will be an interesting runner in this race. She's super
talented and she's sitting out there around six dollars in
futures markets at this stage, and I think she's probably
not a bad player in the races. Who knows She's
be fresh to the meeting. And those two horses I
just mentioned, Titty Karker and Just Charlie ran on the
first Saturday and the Metropolitan and all lead up to
a New Zealand Cup, but that'll be wide open. It's

(33:54):
also two thousand guineas day Piney for the three year
old colts and Gowndings and the Phillies are eligible to
run on that there will be a Philly in that
race called Tajanna, and she'll make your presence felt in
that one. So two thousand Guineas Day and obviously New
Zealand Cup Day that last day. I'm sure the sold
out signs will be up at Rickordham Park to that
last day. I've done a few New Zealand Cup weeks

(34:15):
in my past, Piney, when I was a much younger lad.
At is a test of a true stayer, I can
tell you. Particularly if you're getting along to every event,
you do have to pace yourself. Probably not something I
was too good at back in the day. But it's
a fantastic week. You know you can get along to one,
two or even three meetings. It's well worth it. It's
a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Well, hopefully experience will plenty of favor this week. That
I know that it will. You'll have learned some valuable
lessons through experience. Enjoy your time in christ Church mate,
Thanks so much for your time and your expertise tonight.

Speaker 8 (34:44):
No thank you, Jason, I will indeed, and where else
is hitting down have a lot of fun this week.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
I know you will, sad Thanks indeed, Thad Taylor there
tab racing book maker ahead of a massive week in
christ Church Cup week and yeah public holidail on Friday,
isn't it enjoy that the fine folk of Canterbury just
before we go to a break and get Piney's power
rankings on air for you. A couple of messages through
about Liam Lawson, Simon On text says Sir Lewis, Hamilton,

(35:10):
Carlors Signs, Alonzo, Yuki, Sonoda teammate haj are just some
of the thirteen drivers. Liam Lawson beat on fifty one
lap old tires in Brazil. How good? How good? Indeed,
Simon and Mike is emailed. Sometimes you have to sit
back and think about things to get the proper perspective.
There are ten Formula One teams. Each team has two drivers,

(35:31):
therefore only twenty f one drivers at any given time.
New Zealand has again produced one of those drivers, Liam Lawson.
He has achieved something which is out of all proportion
to the size of the country, the amount of money
available to be spent on motorsport, the infrastructure, the geographical
disadvantages of New Zealand, international exchange rates, number of wealthy sponsors, etc. Etc. Etc.

(35:53):
He has, in fact continue to have it a tradition
of New Zealand producing world class motorsport drivers and Mike finishes.
We're all very proud of him, Well said Mike, Well said,
and thank you for sending it through. Take a break,
come back or rate the weekend. Party's Power rankings after this.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Day Power Rankings, Say all right, let's rate the weekend
as we always do on a Monday night.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Party's Power Rankings the best, worst and in between. Bits
from the Sporting Weekend. The New Caledonia under seventeen men's
football side on the wrong side of history at the
FIFA Under seventeen World Cup in cutter right.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Across anybody at the far post, Yes it is sixteenth
gol there.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
It's the Atlas Lions.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Who have pace in the record for the most number
of goal scorers at a FIFA Under seventeen Men's World
Cup match.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
The Atlas Lions are Morocco, who beat New Caledonia sixteen
nil and wrapped up eighty shots in the ninety minutes nine.
The Silver Fern's opening their Northern tour with a very
comfortable win.

Speaker 9 (37:04):
Not every game, that's full time here in East Kilbride
from the New Zealand's luber fans. They continue their long
standing undis and run against Scotland with another strong performance,
although perhaps not as clinical as we would expect to
see from.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Them, still a sixty three to forty one win. The
two sides meet again on Wednesday. Black CAP's been at
Each Sody at eight, taking his one hundred and fifty
six T twenty international wicket yesterday to move to third
on the all time list.

Speaker 10 (37:34):
That's close, that's got to be close.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Sean Haig is unmoved once more.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
Hay thought it was good and they don't see it
up and we go to review.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
The chance had off impacted line in wickets is hitting,
so then the short change of sitting out.

Speaker 10 (37:49):
Sean Haig's original call not out has been overturned on review.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
And Each Sody has a third. Only Afghanistan's rush he'd
Khn with one hundred and eighty two and Tim Southey
with one hundred and sixty four are ahead of Each
Sody's one hundred and fifty six to twenty international wickets.
Sunday regular on Weekend Sport James mcconey and the song
he pretty much made up on the spot yesterday dedicated

(38:14):
to the All Blacks. Three yellow cards at Murrayfield.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Look at the cards, the ones the ref shows you,
or rather the sons that you do and they were
all yellow. You trip the guy, collatch the mall or
two slap down a past day through and you got
showed yellow.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Other mansester genius six. The All Blacks are at six,
coming home strong to beat Scotland at Murrayfield.

Speaker 8 (38:43):
Eighty fresh over your Sunday morning breakfast, New gunits The
All Blacks hang on twenty five.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Seen next up to Twickenham to face England on Sunday five.
Into the top half where we find key. We go
for Daniel hilly A, finishing in a type of fifth
in the penultimate event on the European Tour at Abu Dhabi,
moving up three spots to seventeenth on the road to
do BAI rankings with the tour finale this week.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Mine stop who we did Daniel? He did exactly as requested, Fine.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Shasser danielle you carding a final round five hundred past
sixty seven. I finished just three strokes behind the winner
and earning himself six hundred and nineteen thousand dollars. Liam
Lawson seventh in the Brazilian Grand Prix and sal Parlo.

Speaker 10 (39:33):
He had to make something work after the first couple
of stops.

Speaker 7 (39:36):
It's by stuck when you were the second guy, because
obviously the first guy gets priority.

Speaker 10 (39:39):
And I lost a couple of spots in the first
stop and then I would have lost more on the
second one.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
So we went for the one stop and it just
Liam Lawson, one of just two drivers on the grid
to complete the seventy one laps on a one stop
strategy here earned six points. He's now fourteenth on the
driver's standings. See the key. We's are at three Pacific
Championship Rugby League winners.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Round, running hotly, hitty factor, brown cradle, run, prattle passit
sent up another one They've got.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Closed rather good for the Kiwi's.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Brownie's goal Dylan Brother's goal today.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
The Caywi scoring thirty unanswered second half points to beat
tors Amoa thirty six fourteen in the final in Sydney two.
The A League Derby an occasion to savor on Saturday
night in the Capitol, all on their seas.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Derby domination continues. But I dare you to have I
mentioned this. I challenge you to find fitter sporting theater
thend US.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Hopefully Wellington Phoenix win one of these, one of these
days one Mr twig ageless absolute class winning gold in
the women's solo event at the World Beach Sprint Rowing
Champs in Turkey.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
She's taking her chances with looking over us older to
manage where that Slala boy is.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Well, they've only got one athlete left in this world.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Ruby's been fineors happily is enough to be crowned, chumping off.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
The world.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Just amazing from him A twig, that's it didn't get Liverpool?
And Andy, was that wrong?

Speaker 10 (41:18):
Well you you were never going to do it so
as much as I would have pushed either way. Eighty
shots on goald eight got sixteen and that's a strike
rade of twenty percent?

Speaker 7 (41:28):
Is that bad?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, it's actually bad, doesn't it?

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Is it?

Speaker 10 (41:32):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (41:32):
Good?

Speaker 10 (41:33):
But then also approves that that if that is a
bad strike rade, more football teams just need to shoot more,
let it fly, and surely teams will score a lot
more goals, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
That's what they say, Andy, That is coaching one oh
one for strikers. If you don't shoot, you won't score.
But if you need eighty to get sixteen. Yeah, Liverpool
need to hire me. My services are available, all right,
I'll pass on your details Piney's Power rankings for a
turn next Monday six to eight. Need a different strategy
for Piney's Power rankings, and that maybe we should open

(42:03):
this up to a wider selection committee than just me. Basically,
Allen says Piney Ossie should be at number ten, losing
to Italy and Rugby. Actually that's from Steve, not Allen.
Thank you Steve. And as I was listening to to
the ad break, I was thinking, what about Karen Foran.
I should have put Karen Fororan in there, shouldn't I
after all those test matches and first grade games and

(42:27):
bring the curtain down on his career.

Speaker 10 (42:29):
So we have to do a Pine's Power should be
rankings as well.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
I don't know segments maybe maybe I don't know nearly.

Speaker 10 (42:39):
OSI which yeah, which, which one do you want? I'm
Karen Forra will rank one and that I'd imagine. No,
that's right, you know, Yeah, I think we're out of time.
Thanks to Andy, thanks for listening. Marcus lash after right,
we'll see you on Saturday for Weekend Sport.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
By for now.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
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