September 12, 2024 • 9 mins
Performance Mindset Coach Gary Hermansson joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to discuss how important personality in sport is?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Duncy Wildergrave
from News Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Z'd be Gary Hermanson that joins us now performance a
mind set coach when it comes to the wonderful wide
world of sport. Gary, welcome to the show. I trust
you well, I trust your beaming Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Thanks, I am indeed that's good to spec to you.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Let's start at the start. We saw today something quite extraordinary,
something wonderful and heartwarming from the black Ferns as they
engaged King Charles. They all had a hug, they had
a group photo, They laughed and they cheered. What did
you think when you first saw that? It was unusual?
Was it not but uplifting?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah? Unusual but uplifting? You know, it was kind of
rather warming, ready to watch? That was that sense that
in many ways it was a nice combination of a
whole range of things. Zike. The way of the way
they approached it, both in terms of seemed to me
a little bit scripted even that they might have thought, oh,
let's ask him for this, but the way they asked
him for permission, and his answer it was with spectacular
(01:07):
as well, like why not rather than yes you can
or no, you can't, so it's almost like giving up
the mission just for the reality of the moment. But
I thought that the whole energy and collective element of
it was lovely. It was really nice to see.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I'll seeing personality from sports people and in general se
a lot more from the Wahini. I think that's fair
to say, a lot more interested in connecting with that
side of themselves and sharing it with the wider public
and the media. So how important actually is it at
that level of sport to be able to show your personality.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well, I think that from the point of view the
two parts. One of the individuals and obviously there was
one individual initiated it, but there's something collective also that
there's almost like a team personality. And one of the
things about the Black Firms at the moment, and as
it's been largely if you think back to ev when
Wayne Smith was with them, who has a nice, warm
personality as well, I think they've generated that whole collective togetherness.
(02:02):
And you're right, I think there's something about the Wahini element,
but also I think there's the ethnicity part as well.
There's a kind of a connection, you know, the welcoming
that goes on within Marina Mores. Theres a lot of
that how you connect, and so I think the combination together,
just with a perfect moment, came together nicely.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So as far as important though for the way they
go about their business and that connection is it relevant
because I suppose if you look at the all Blacks
mightily successful so people, I suppose by pass the fact
they're not exactly the most engaging and they're not released
to the media as often as they should be, it
kind of pales into significance with success, does it not.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, I think there's that element of pressure a lot
more too. You know, the or BAX is almost like
so very preoccupied with the significance of outcomes and that
whilst the same thing applies with any national team that
we have, I think there's something which makes it a
bit more difficult to be that expressive. It's almost like
get labeled in a certain way. Whereas I think the
(03:09):
journey that the Black firms have been on and what
they're facing now has come together in that way that
makes it possible, and they certainly, I mean the Sevens
the same sort of thing. The Sevens women's team is
very energetic and a personality wise with the individual. A
lot of people who are very expressive and Ruby Tioi
and others like that sort. So there's a kind of
(03:31):
a coming together of that which the men would necessarily have,
and I think the extra pressure gets in the way
of that for them as well.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Do you think people are more likely to be forgiving
of poor results if they feel like they know the athletes,
that they have some kind of personal connection like their
flesh and blood like we are, they're not on another level,
another platform, and so they'll accept maybe some of their
frailties and foibles.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, I think that's very true. I think that if
you have that sense where you are seeing people as people,
as individuals, as people you can connect with. And that's
why whole fan groups are important too, and you see
some of the connections that go on, it gains and
the actual venue where post gains is a lot more
connection that way. That helps, and people then have that
identify with them more readily, whereas if you're doing it
(04:16):
from a distance, you're much more aloof from that and
you see them as mainly just products are out there
either fulfilling your dreams or not. Whereas whether you're with them,
you see them in that personal way, and you're much
more prepared to accept, embrace and also forgive when moments
occur in that way.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Performance Mindset coach Gary Herminton Join just says we're looking
at connectability between the athletes at a level that through
the media of course, to the fan base as well.
Have you noticed the change over the last teen twenty
years around in that space.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I think there has been more personality, more kind of
emphasis on the way in which people enjoy the experience
as well. I think there was times where it became
much more intense and that way, whereas now and I
think social media does a little bit that too, both
for good and for bad. The ability to be able
to see people as personalities and the hard part of
(05:10):
courses that you know, when things aren't going well then
there is much more of an inquisition around people in
that way. I mean, one of those things that's happening
with the All Blacks at the moment is there's you know,
if you take rays of the coach, you know, for example,
a lot of that whole embracing of his personality and
all those things that he was doing with the Crusaders
about great dancing and fun and whatever suddenly have a
(05:33):
different element. I'm noticing in the media a little bit
more to around. You know, well, it's a bit harder
to be that expressive, and maybe that outward going piece
is going to be a flaw within the All Blacks
environment rather than an asset within the Crusaders. So we
do tend to sort of judge a little bit either
good or bad depending upon how well the team's going
(05:54):
as well.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Garry, what about the role of the media training that
come from the likes of sport like the All Blacks,
and I like the Black Caps because they get leaned
on by their media liaison, so they put forward the
best picture that suits the narrative of the organization handy
(06:16):
or possibly restraining too much.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I think the media element is very important from that
point of view training, but I think it's that approachability piece.
And you can do media training which is much more
defensive and holding back and trying to make sure you
don't make a mistake. But I think when you emphasize
the approachability as people and training people to be able
to be human and natural and their response is an
(06:39):
important part about that, and engagement with people as personalities
and as individuals you look up to and you see
them as being part of your connection with the team
you embrace. I think that's important piece.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
As well to meeking. Some athletes will be they don't
want to upset the status quo. They don't want to
cause any issues that they can't wholly control because they're
so protective of their place of the team.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
It's always the case you don't want to step out
of line in case you offend either the organization you're
with or the coach, or you maybe say something which
might be a problem in relation to your to your
teammates as well. So I think there's a lot of
caution in that regard because you know everyone's if you're
in that team space, you always want to make sure
(07:27):
you don't do anything which is going to jeopardize that
role as well. So there's inevitably going to be that
whole piece of caution. But if you think about what
we talk what we began with around the black Ferns,
you know they are they haven't actually faced combination yet,
so there's that almost permission to be much more out
there and without that overriding judgment about how are you doing?
(07:54):
And that's that as well, So I think the circumstances
play a part in that as well.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
You probably don't like talking in broad brushstrokes the performance
mindset coach Gary hermanson, let's do one. Is it actually
important what the public think of the athletes? Surely? Results
first and foremost the rest of it.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Who cares well results really matter, of course, because that's
what people follow for, and we can as a nation,
we can be pretty savage on our athletes at times
when they don't deliver what we expect because it's very
much part of our national identity. On the other hands,
the real dilemma for athletes in many ways, the most
critical thing about performance is the ability to value the
(08:34):
outcome and what you're striving for, but to be able
to step back from that and to focus entirely on
what it is you are doing moment by moment when
it happens. And that's easier said than done. But you
know coatures as well, they have to manage that dual
component about we're here to win, that's what we want
to do, that's our overall goal. But the challenge is
how do we step back from that and focus our
(08:55):
attention on what we're doing to enable that to happen,
and very often in sport that's very difficult to do,
and it's affected by the performance as it plays out.
People get to preoccupied with the significance of the effects
of the results, and that gets in the way of
them being able to do what they've trained so hard
(09:16):
to do, and it just affects their performance in the
moment and they choke, and that's not good at all.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
For more from sports Talk, listen live to news Talks
they'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Duncy Wildergrave
from News Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Z'd be Gary Hermanson that joins us now performance a
mind set coach when it comes to the wonderful wide
world of sport. Gary, welcome to the show. I trust
you well, I trust your beaming Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Thanks, I am indeed that's good to spec to you.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Let's start at the start. We saw today something quite extraordinary,
something wonderful and heartwarming from the black Ferns as they
engaged King Charles. They all had a hug, they had
a group photo, They laughed and they cheered. What did
you think when you first saw that? It was unusual?
Was it not but uplifting?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah? Unusual but uplifting? You know, it was kind of
rather warming, ready to watch? That was that sense that
in many ways it was a nice combination of a
whole range of things. Zike. The way of the way
they approached it, both in terms of seemed to me
a little bit scripted even that they might have thought, oh,
let's ask him for this, but the way they asked
him for permission, and his answer it was with spectacular
(01:07):
as well, like why not rather than yes you can
or no, you can't, so it's almost like giving up
the mission just for the reality of the moment. But
I thought that the whole energy and collective element of
it was lovely. It was really nice to see.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I'll seeing personality from sports people and in general se
a lot more from the Wahini. I think that's fair
to say, a lot more interested in connecting with that
side of themselves and sharing it with the wider public
and the media. So how important actually is it at
that level of sport to be able to show your personality.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well, I think that from the point of view the
two parts. One of the individuals and obviously there was
one individual initiated it, but there's something collective also that
there's almost like a team personality. And one of the
things about the Black Firms at the moment, and as
it's been largely if you think back to ev when
Wayne Smith was with them, who has a nice, warm
personality as well, I think they've generated that whole collective togetherness.
(02:02):
And you're right, I think there's something about the Wahini element,
but also I think there's the ethnicity part as well.
There's a kind of a connection, you know, the welcoming
that goes on within Marina Mores. Theres a lot of
that how you connect, and so I think the combination together,
just with a perfect moment, came together nicely.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So as far as important though for the way they
go about their business and that connection is it relevant
because I suppose if you look at the all Blacks
mightily successful so people, I suppose by pass the fact
they're not exactly the most engaging and they're not released
to the media as often as they should be, it
kind of pales into significance with success, does it not.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, I think there's that element of pressure a lot
more too. You know, the or BAX is almost like
so very preoccupied with the significance of outcomes and that
whilst the same thing applies with any national team that
we have, I think there's something which makes it a
bit more difficult to be that expressive. It's almost like
get labeled in a certain way. Whereas I think the
(03:09):
journey that the Black firms have been on and what
they're facing now has come together in that way that
makes it possible, and they certainly, I mean the Sevens
the same sort of thing. The Sevens women's team is
very energetic and a personality wise with the individual. A
lot of people who are very expressive and Ruby Tioi
and others like that sort. So there's a kind of
(03:31):
a coming together of that which the men would necessarily have,
and I think the extra pressure gets in the way
of that for them as well.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Do you think people are more likely to be forgiving
of poor results if they feel like they know the athletes,
that they have some kind of personal connection like their
flesh and blood like we are, they're not on another level,
another platform, and so they'll accept maybe some of their
frailties and foibles.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, I think that's very true. I think that if
you have that sense where you are seeing people as people,
as individuals, as people you can connect with. And that's
why whole fan groups are important too, and you see
some of the connections that go on, it gains and
the actual venue where post gains is a lot more
connection that way. That helps, and people then have that
identify with them more readily, whereas if you're doing it
(04:16):
from a distance, you're much more aloof from that and
you see them as mainly just products are out there
either fulfilling your dreams or not. Whereas whether you're with them,
you see them in that personal way, and you're much
more prepared to accept, embrace and also forgive when moments
occur in that way.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Performance Mindset coach Gary Herminton Join just says we're looking
at connectability between the athletes at a level that through
the media of course, to the fan base as well.
Have you noticed the change over the last teen twenty
years around in that space.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I think there has been more personality, more kind of
emphasis on the way in which people enjoy the experience
as well. I think there was times where it became
much more intense and that way, whereas now and I
think social media does a little bit that too, both
for good and for bad. The ability to be able
to see people as personalities and the hard part of
(05:10):
courses that you know, when things aren't going well then
there is much more of an inquisition around people in
that way. I mean, one of those things that's happening
with the All Blacks at the moment is there's you know,
if you take rays of the coach, you know, for example,
a lot of that whole embracing of his personality and
all those things that he was doing with the Crusaders
about great dancing and fun and whatever suddenly have a
(05:33):
different element. I'm noticing in the media a little bit
more to around. You know, well, it's a bit harder
to be that expressive, and maybe that outward going piece
is going to be a flaw within the All Blacks
environment rather than an asset within the Crusaders. So we
do tend to sort of judge a little bit either
good or bad depending upon how well the team's going
(05:54):
as well.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Garry, what about the role of the media training that
come from the likes of sport like the All Blacks,
and I like the Black Caps because they get leaned
on by their media liaison, so they put forward the
best picture that suits the narrative of the organization handy
(06:16):
or possibly restraining too much.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I think the media element is very important from that
point of view training, but I think it's that approachability piece.
And you can do media training which is much more
defensive and holding back and trying to make sure you
don't make a mistake. But I think when you emphasize
the approachability as people and training people to be able
to be human and natural and their response is an
(06:39):
important part about that, and engagement with people as personalities
and as individuals you look up to and you see
them as being part of your connection with the team
you embrace. I think that's important piece.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
As well to meeking. Some athletes will be they don't
want to upset the status quo. They don't want to
cause any issues that they can't wholly control because they're
so protective of their place of the team.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
It's always the case you don't want to step out
of line in case you offend either the organization you're
with or the coach, or you maybe say something which
might be a problem in relation to your to your
teammates as well. So I think there's a lot of
caution in that regard because you know everyone's if you're
in that team space, you always want to make sure
(07:27):
you don't do anything which is going to jeopardize that
role as well. So there's inevitably going to be that
whole piece of caution. But if you think about what
we talk what we began with around the black Ferns,
you know they are they haven't actually faced combination yet,
so there's that almost permission to be much more out
there and without that overriding judgment about how are you doing?
(07:54):
And that's that as well, So I think the circumstances
play a part in that as well.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
You probably don't like talking in broad brushstrokes the performance
mindset coach Gary hermanson, let's do one. Is it actually
important what the public think of the athletes? Surely? Results
first and foremost the rest of it.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Who cares well results really matter, of course, because that's
what people follow for, and we can as a nation,
we can be pretty savage on our athletes at times
when they don't deliver what we expect because it's very
much part of our national identity. On the other hands,
the real dilemma for athletes in many ways, the most
critical thing about performance is the ability to value the
(08:34):
outcome and what you're striving for, but to be able
to step back from that and to focus entirely on
what it is you are doing moment by moment when
it happens. And that's easier said than done. But you
know coatures as well, they have to manage that dual
component about we're here to win, that's what we want
to do, that's our overall goal. But the challenge is
how do we step back from that and focus our
(08:55):
attention on what we're doing to enable that to happen,
and very often in sport that's very difficult to do,
and it's affected by the performance as it plays out.
People get to preoccupied with the significance of the effects
of the results, and that gets in the way of
them being able to do what they've trained so hard
(09:16):
to do, and it just affects their performance in the
moment and they choke, and that's not good at all.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
For more from sports Talk, listen live to news Talks
they'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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