August 6, 2024 • 10 mins
Former Olympian Ian Ferguson joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to discuss New Zealand's medal chances in the Kayak programme.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We'll join now on sports Look on News Talk z
B by Ed Ferguson. There's a name for you, A
man who's won more medals than you could shake a
stick out, of course in K one and K two
and K four healthy and days back in eighty four
where you picked up three gold medals. Get mister Ferguson,
how are you? That takes me back?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I bet you good? I'm good. How are you all good?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And I'm joining the Olympics and enjoying what's coming up
because we're coming to a golden place with of course
all of our entrance in all of the K and
C disciplines. It's a pretty heady timing.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
In, Yeah, it is. I don't think we should get
too excited about the sea boating yet. It's just our
first crew, so don't expect too much too much happening there.
But how how other ones, especially our ladies, are going fantastically.
I'm looking forward to the K one which is coming
(01:09):
up in a couple of days. You know, when it
gets down to the nitty gritty between our two good
guys Amy and Lisa. That is going to be the
most amazing race and I'm just hoping with all my
hope that I've got that we get first and second.
It would be amazing for New Zealand to be that
good above the rest of the world.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's funny, isn't it, Because you read reports over seas
and they will talk about Lisa Carrington and how she's
a favorite and sign and so forth. But outside of
New Zealand, people aren't really giving Amy Fisher much recognition.
But her path to the Olympics and what she's achieved,
that's an extraordinary route that she's taken. She's one tough.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
One in it, Yeah, she is. She's very tough and
I think that's going to go well for an hour
at the Olympics. She's one of the last two. I
think it's the last two races against Lisa in the
World Cups leading up to this, so she may even
I don't know if people are picking a favorite, and
it's hard to tell, but well I know that, you know,
(02:06):
and eighty four I wasn't. New Zealand didn't even know
about me, you know, they weren't expecting me to win.
They know, and had a clue that we're going to
start winning medals and suddenly the men get more people
down there. It was amazing. But yeah, so she could
be the dark horse, but Lisa's certainly there. She's picking
(02:28):
her definitely for the K two. I think they'll win that,
but you never know what the Olympics and at these
in the singles, it's sort of who's going to win
it Lisa or Amy. It's a good place to be.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well, you kind of do know because the excitement anticipation
around Lisa, and she just doesn't let people down. More important,
she doesn't want to let herself down. Her attitude toward
training and keeping at the very top again, it blows
your way and you'd understand what that dedication is about,
because what how many Olympics did you go? Five Olympic Games?
(03:04):
You understand what the grindstone it is, don't you.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I certainly do. I went to five Olympics competing and
then another three as a coach as well. So yeah,
so when I made a great Olympic career doing that,
I'd love that.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So when you look at New Zealand and the way
they work when it comes to kayaking, you must be
happy enough that the like SI of yourself and Paul
McDonald had a really a big part to play in
that by lifting the profile of kayaking. As you said,
no one really knew much about it Beck in nineteen
eighty four.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well, I didn't even have a coach till after I
won those three gold medals. We're on our own. There's
nobody knew any more more than we did about kayaking
in New Zealand, so we couldn't get anyone to coach. Yeah,
and plus we couldn't afford it anyway. So that was fine.
Now it's all set up. It was two thousand and
(04:05):
two I went down to look at National champs and
nobody was had no coaches, know nothing once again, no money,
absolutely no funding and nobody was training together. So that's
when I started coaching again. And the problem with that
was they had no money, so then I had to
start fundraising and getting sponsors and then they're all kick
(04:28):
started again. And since that time, it's just gets bigger
and bigger, and the girls are going amazingly. The guys
are just starting to come out now, so we've got
some new young guys and we're expecting them to do well.
I wouldn't say you're going to have to expect metals
out of them, but we want them to do well
and then next Olympics so they'll probably be be in
(04:50):
the hunt.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Me and ferguson what is the appeal of kayaking and
canoeing as well? It's not you mentioned it at the start,
but why does it appeal?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Why does it work for New Zealanders? And we're particularly
good in the water on boats, aren't we? So why kayaking?
Why choose da rowing for example?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Well, with kayaking, it's really an individual sport. You do
it yourself. You get your own kayak, you can do
as much training as you like, and then you get
good at it, then it's just one step into a
double or a four. You know you're instantly made for
crew boats. You don't have to train in crew boats
to be chosen. They normally choose a good team, got
(05:31):
the fastest person to crew up together. Then they just
get used to the K four or K two crew
boat and that second second level, but first level is
just doing it all yourself, just getting out there and
training hard, and that's that's why. So it's a relatively
cheap sport to get into this young guy seventeen that
(05:51):
are just coaching just right now. He's first, that was
his first session on the water. I gave him a
few tips and a few drills to do, and within
twenty minutes half an hour, he was looking like a
real paddler. So it's you can get in there and
do it yourself with a few boats, and it's a
good way.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
As far as multi discipline, you said, I'm presuming what
you're saying. It's pretty much about cadence and horsepower, and
if you can do it in one, you can do
it in four. So when you transition between K one,
K two, K four not that difficult. I'm not trying
to belittle it. But is it an easy enough thing
for the likes of Lisa Carrington to climb into?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yes, it is. It's easy enough for any kaka really
to Some people will never make a crew boat because
they've got a funny lean or something goes wrong, but
generally you're so close to the person that that's in
front of you, you just copy them right down to
the split second of hitting the water. And obviously you've
(06:54):
got to do a lot of training in it. Once
you've chosen for that boat. But you know, to get
in the team or to get in a boat, a
good boat, you've got to be fast in the singles.
Me as a singles Padlin, I'm not going to pick
us person to go with me. I'm going to pick
second best to behind me to go in my boat.
So you put the fast people, then you make it
work in the double.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Would you not think that Lisa Carrington and Amy Fisher
would be an ideal double?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I do, I do, But yeah, that's their choice, and
Lisa's got her doubles partner already now that Amy's coming up,
but she's made a choice. I had my choice of
Paul and that never stopped either. But yeah, I'm not
on the selection or part of your armor retired now,
(07:40):
so I don't know all the reasons, but that's for
them to sort out. And yeah, maybe one day that
will happen.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
As far as Lisa's concerned, where would you put her
when it comes to favoritism or where she should be
most likely to middle Again, because she's in the K
four five hundred, she's obviously doing her own thing as
well K two five hundred and two, So again she's
spreading his skill and I suppose her engine right across
(08:10):
a number of kayaks. What what do you think she's
going to actually lean into him and maybe pick up
some ten.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Well, I think she's she's got a better than a
fifty to fifty chance in the K two. I think
she's pretty good, well set to do well there, So
that could be her best option because the K one
at the moment, it's fifty to fifty with a name
with Amy, So that's all good for us. Fifty fifty
(08:36):
it is fantastic for well, it puts one hundred percent
on us possibly winning. So yeah, but just if you
put it that way, Lisa's got you know, she's probably
the favorite to win the doubles still and whereas it's
fifty to fifty the other way. So yeah, that's Mike
(08:57):
all it's she'll get a medal in the doubles for sure.
And the four it's always a hard one. Fours come
out of nowhere. When they you get good team spirit going,
you can just blast away and do really good times.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So in Furus and joins us in with all of
these disciplines in such a short amount of time, coming
toward the end of her career, do you think that's
a good idea to be involved in so much and
focus your talent and your skills and your effort across
so many disciplines at this time, Hick.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
You we want medals, Come on, we're going for it.
And she's no fast, slower, She's actually faster than she was.
So you know, I was inflected my TBS at the
age forty, so you know, nothing slows you down. So
you're just relying on her endurance. And with age, endurance
gets a little bit better and you're more relaxed, you're
(09:54):
more calm, you know what's happening. So sure, I think
she's in an ideal place. She could take three gold
medals out no problem at all if she's in the
right frame of mind and things clicked together.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talk
ZETB from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We'll join now on sports Look on News Talk z
B by Ed Ferguson. There's a name for you, A
man who's won more medals than you could shake a
stick out, of course in K one and K two
and K four healthy and days back in eighty four
where you picked up three gold medals. Get mister Ferguson,
how are you? That takes me back?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I bet you good? I'm good. How are you all good?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And I'm joining the Olympics and enjoying what's coming up
because we're coming to a golden place with of course
all of our entrance in all of the K and
C disciplines. It's a pretty heady timing.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
In, Yeah, it is. I don't think we should get
too excited about the sea boating yet. It's just our
first crew, so don't expect too much too much happening there.
But how how other ones, especially our ladies, are going fantastically.
I'm looking forward to the K one which is coming
(01:09):
up in a couple of days. You know, when it
gets down to the nitty gritty between our two good
guys Amy and Lisa. That is going to be the
most amazing race and I'm just hoping with all my
hope that I've got that we get first and second.
It would be amazing for New Zealand to be that
good above the rest of the world.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's funny, isn't it, Because you read reports over seas
and they will talk about Lisa Carrington and how she's
a favorite and sign and so forth. But outside of
New Zealand, people aren't really giving Amy Fisher much recognition.
But her path to the Olympics and what she's achieved,
that's an extraordinary route that she's taken. She's one tough.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
One in it, Yeah, she is. She's very tough and
I think that's going to go well for an hour
at the Olympics. She's one of the last two. I
think it's the last two races against Lisa in the
World Cups leading up to this, so she may even
I don't know if people are picking a favorite, and
it's hard to tell, but well I know that, you know,
(02:06):
and eighty four I wasn't. New Zealand didn't even know
about me, you know, they weren't expecting me to win.
They know, and had a clue that we're going to
start winning medals and suddenly the men get more people
down there. It was amazing. But yeah, so she could
be the dark horse, but Lisa's certainly there. She's picking
(02:28):
her definitely for the K two. I think they'll win that,
but you never know what the Olympics and at these
in the singles, it's sort of who's going to win
it Lisa or Amy. It's a good place to be.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well, you kind of do know because the excitement anticipation
around Lisa, and she just doesn't let people down. More important,
she doesn't want to let herself down. Her attitude toward
training and keeping at the very top again, it blows
your way and you'd understand what that dedication is about,
because what how many Olympics did you go? Five Olympic Games?
(03:04):
You understand what the grindstone it is, don't you.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I certainly do. I went to five Olympics competing and
then another three as a coach as well. So yeah,
so when I made a great Olympic career doing that,
I'd love that.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So when you look at New Zealand and the way
they work when it comes to kayaking, you must be
happy enough that the like SI of yourself and Paul
McDonald had a really a big part to play in
that by lifting the profile of kayaking. As you said,
no one really knew much about it Beck in nineteen
eighty four.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well, I didn't even have a coach till after I
won those three gold medals. We're on our own. There's
nobody knew any more more than we did about kayaking
in New Zealand, so we couldn't get anyone to coach. Yeah,
and plus we couldn't afford it anyway. So that was fine.
Now it's all set up. It was two thousand and
(04:05):
two I went down to look at National champs and
nobody was had no coaches, know nothing once again, no money,
absolutely no funding and nobody was training together. So that's
when I started coaching again. And the problem with that
was they had no money, so then I had to
start fundraising and getting sponsors and then they're all kick
(04:28):
started again. And since that time, it's just gets bigger
and bigger, and the girls are going amazingly. The guys
are just starting to come out now, so we've got
some new young guys and we're expecting them to do well.
I wouldn't say you're going to have to expect metals
out of them, but we want them to do well
and then next Olympics so they'll probably be be in
(04:50):
the hunt.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Me and ferguson what is the appeal of kayaking and
canoeing as well? It's not you mentioned it at the start,
but why does it appeal?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Why does it work for New Zealanders? And we're particularly
good in the water on boats, aren't we? So why kayaking?
Why choose da rowing for example?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Well, with kayaking, it's really an individual sport. You do
it yourself. You get your own kayak, you can do
as much training as you like, and then you get
good at it, then it's just one step into a
double or a four. You know you're instantly made for
crew boats. You don't have to train in crew boats
to be chosen. They normally choose a good team, got
(05:31):
the fastest person to crew up together. Then they just
get used to the K four or K two crew
boat and that second second level, but first level is
just doing it all yourself, just getting out there and
training hard, and that's that's why. So it's a relatively
cheap sport to get into this young guy seventeen that
(05:51):
are just coaching just right now. He's first, that was
his first session on the water. I gave him a
few tips and a few drills to do, and within
twenty minutes half an hour, he was looking like a
real paddler. So it's you can get in there and
do it yourself with a few boats, and it's a
good way.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
As far as multi discipline, you said, I'm presuming what
you're saying. It's pretty much about cadence and horsepower, and
if you can do it in one, you can do
it in four. So when you transition between K one,
K two, K four not that difficult. I'm not trying
to belittle it. But is it an easy enough thing
for the likes of Lisa Carrington to climb into?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yes, it is. It's easy enough for any kaka really
to Some people will never make a crew boat because
they've got a funny lean or something goes wrong, but
generally you're so close to the person that that's in
front of you, you just copy them right down to
the split second of hitting the water. And obviously you've
(06:54):
got to do a lot of training in it. Once
you've chosen for that boat. But you know, to get
in the team or to get in a boat, a
good boat, you've got to be fast in the singles.
Me as a singles Padlin, I'm not going to pick
us person to go with me. I'm going to pick
second best to behind me to go in my boat.
So you put the fast people, then you make it
work in the double.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Would you not think that Lisa Carrington and Amy Fisher
would be an ideal double?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I do, I do, But yeah, that's their choice, and
Lisa's got her doubles partner already now that Amy's coming up,
but she's made a choice. I had my choice of
Paul and that never stopped either. But yeah, I'm not
on the selection or part of your armor retired now,
(07:40):
so I don't know all the reasons, but that's for
them to sort out. And yeah, maybe one day that
will happen.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
As far as Lisa's concerned, where would you put her
when it comes to favoritism or where she should be
most likely to middle Again, because she's in the K
four five hundred, she's obviously doing her own thing as
well K two five hundred and two, So again she's
spreading his skill and I suppose her engine right across
(08:10):
a number of kayaks. What what do you think she's
going to actually lean into him and maybe pick up
some ten.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Well, I think she's she's got a better than a
fifty to fifty chance in the K two. I think
she's pretty good, well set to do well there, So
that could be her best option because the K one
at the moment, it's fifty to fifty with a name
with Amy, So that's all good for us. Fifty fifty
(08:36):
it is fantastic for well, it puts one hundred percent
on us possibly winning. So yeah, but just if you
put it that way, Lisa's got you know, she's probably
the favorite to win the doubles still and whereas it's
fifty to fifty the other way. So yeah, that's Mike
(08:57):
all it's she'll get a medal in the doubles for sure.
And the four it's always a hard one. Fours come
out of nowhere. When they you get good team spirit going,
you can just blast away and do really good times.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So in Furus and joins us in with all of
these disciplines in such a short amount of time, coming
toward the end of her career, do you think that's
a good idea to be involved in so much and
focus your talent and your skills and your effort across
so many disciplines at this time, Hick.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
You we want medals, Come on, we're going for it.
And she's no fast, slower, She's actually faster than she was.
So you know, I was inflected my TBS at the
age forty, so you know, nothing slows you down. So
you're just relying on her endurance. And with age, endurance
gets a little bit better and you're more relaxed, you're
(09:54):
more calm, you know what's happening. So sure, I think
she's in an ideal place. She could take three gold
medals out no problem at all if she's in the
right frame of mind and things clicked together.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
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