November 18, 2024 • 9 mins
The All Whites have cruised into a 3-nil half-time lead over Samoa in their football World Cup qualifying group game.
Former All White and commentator Jacob Spoonley joined Piney to discuss the unfolding match.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk z'b.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Let's flick across the Football. Because the All Whites complete
Paul play in Oceania World Cup qualifying tonight, they play
some More and Mount Smart Stadium. Regardless of what happens,
they've secured their place in the semi finals of World
Cup qualifying in March of next year. This is going
to be very comfortable against some more inside that's lost
its previous two games. Former All Whites goalkeeper our football
commentator Jacob Spoonley, as with us, Jacob, before we look
(00:34):
at tonight's game, what impressed you the most about the
All Whites eight to one win over Vanuatu in Hamilton
the other night.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Curta Peney.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Look, I think if you look back at that game
and start with the result eight one, eight goals, they
really did assert themselves and confirmed that they are the
biggest entity in Oceania. And people might say, yeah, well
that's a pass mark, but the reality is the way
(01:04):
they conducted themselves in the in the range of goals
that they scored two for Chris Wood, arguably two for
Tyler Binden. Saprek scene comes on, scores one sets one
up later on. So they have not only said yeah,
we're here and we're taking this very seriously, they have
also gave an indication that this is a team with
(01:25):
a huge amount of breadth and depth. There's going to
be competition, and although it's sam Oh they're playing tonight,
the players that get sent out onto that field are
going to need to do a job because there are
a lot that are vying for those positions that they
currently hold.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I want to talk about the competition for places in
the eleven and the extended squad in a moment, but
tonight's matches, I say, should, on the face of it
be fairly straightforward. How will the players and coaching staff
have ensured that they keep their standards high and avoid
any sense of internal complacency tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Only.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I've had a chat with a couple of boys at
a coffee with them over the weekend, and you can
deduce who this person was that I was talking to,
but the conversation rotated.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Around good performance and scoring goals.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
So they are highly motivated regardless of who the opposition is.
And they also, I think, realize that they're in a
situation where they can rise above the majority of all
whites teams and they can put themselves in the conversation
with the likes of the nineteen eighty two generation in
the twenty ten generation. And so they are looking at
how they can engage in that conversation historically, which naturally
(02:38):
provides a motivation. Also touched on the competition aspect of things. Mate,
we've got was it three or four players deep now?
And you look at the players that we're talking about
that even get into the conversation around being involved in
the starting eleven or the squad. The minimum, the bare
minimum pinty is playing well at a league level. That
(03:01):
is a stark contrast to what we saw ten years ago.
And that's the bottom of the back. At the top
of the brad bracket is top tier European competition Seria
Premier League, which we now have four or five players
in league ear with being old and then we used
to have players in the Bundesliga as well. So to
be involved in this starting eleven is something that you
(03:23):
have to be not only performing, but performing regularly and consistently.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
How do players handle a scenario like that? Everybody wants
to play, everybody wants to be in a squad. They
know that, all things being equal, they're going to a
World Cup and depending on squad size, only twenty three
or twenty six can go. How do players handle that scenario.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, it's a very kind of foreign concept.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I think for a lot of the audience and the fans,
they see it as a heightened competition. For these players,
they experience that day to day in their club environments.
I mean Chris Wood literally is that the sharpest of
the sharpest end of the He is in the best
competition globally.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
He's used to this. Mate.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
In fact, he encourages it because he knows that he
makes them better. Leby Caacarca is exactly the same Marcus Staminich,
a player that has played Champions League football. They are
used to this, and the really exciting thing is more
and more players are getting into that mindset. So you're right,
the likes of the players on the periphery, those that
are playing for Auckland f C and Wellington Phoenix that
(04:32):
are really trying to make their case, they might have
to hit the accelerator and take their own individual performances
up a couple of notches. But for the large chunk,
the biggest cohort of the squad. They're already there and
they're doing it in their day jobs.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
You mentioned Chris Wood before and Darren Basley has confirmed
that Chris Wood will start tonight, which I think is magnificent.
You know, he doesn't need Chris Wood to beat some more,
but he's giving the Auckland football fans who turn up
the chance to see Chris Wood up close and personal.
Can you give us your take on the trajectory that
Chris Wood has ridden the last little while. I know
(05:09):
you've had quite a bit to do with him. Addie
of a cis where he is in his football career
right now.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
He is, He's in a different stratosphere.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Poney, the man is writing shotgun to Earling Harland in
the Premier League Golden Boot race at the moment. It
is absolutely phenomenal. If you compare him to other Premier
League strikers. I always look at the constellation of Gabrielle
Hazes and the fact that he has played for Man
(05:41):
City and Arsenal, the caliber of player and person that
has put chances on a plate for him regularly, and
the fact that he also plays for Brazil. We haven't
even mentioned that yet, Poney. The reality is Chris Wood
now has more Premier League goals than Gabrielle Hazes, which
is insane, It is absolutely absurd.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
But in terms of the.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Way Chris Wood has been able to elevate his game
recent I think you've seen a really sharp focus Woods.
He post thirty is somebody that I think understands the
business and he's able to make the game very, very simple.
But in doing that, he has to commit himself absolutely
off the field and then also on it to what
(06:24):
his role is and he understands first and foremost he
is there to put the ball on the back of
the net. And he is in a system at the
moment with Nuno Espirito Santo, the Nottingham Forest manager, that
plays to his strengths, that amplifies his abilities, and I
think he's just in that sweet spot where he's got
a direct path to the World Cup. He's in a
(06:45):
team that values him and that understands his abilities at
Premier League level.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And on top of it all, he.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Is an incredibly proud New Zealander. Been away for fifteen
sixteen years, he still sounds like a boy from Cambridge
or from one hunger sports, and he is somebody that
wants to leave behind a legacy. So that is why
he wants to play against some od That is why
any chance that comes as way tonight, he's going to
(07:11):
be absolutely ruthless because he knows that he's got a
wonderful opportunity at the moment. But he also wants to
put himself in the conversation. And I'm sorry I say
he wants to because I'm assuming this. He wants to
put himself in the conversation to be up there with
the likes of Steve Sumner, up there with the likes
of Wynton Rufer and Ryan Nelson. And to do that
you have to be historically great. It's not just about
(07:33):
what you do in any given ninety minutes.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
All right, and back to the All Whites environment. Darren
Baisley has now been in charge permanently since March of
last year. Approaching twenty games at the Helm, are you
seeing Darren Baisley's stamp on the All Whites?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yes, I think they've got a clear identity now they've
established a formation. They want to go out and play
a four two, three to one. Obviously there's some nuances
in variation within that, but you know that what you're
going to get with it. Darren Baizy side, the other
thing that I do like about his approach to the
game and this All Whites team is that he's making
it very player oriented. He's allowing the players to have
(08:16):
involvement in the decision making process around the way they
want to go out and create this identity. But equally
he's bringing in people to make the overall environment better.
Brought in Tony Redding's a very studious assistant coach, Simon
Elliott by a former player that's got a lot of experience.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
He's been brought into the environment.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
They're doing a lot of work around leadership and evolving
the cultural aspect of this All Whites team, working on
the work that was provided by Danny Hay when he
was the assistant and taking that forward, evolving it so
it's not revolutionary. So I think that's what you're seeing
with this Darren Baisley side. I also know that they've
(08:55):
got a couple more steps to take and I'm really
excited to see what happens to this team after Touchwood
Tiny we get through World Cup qualifying.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Thanks Jacob got to leave it there Jacob Spoonly, former
All Whites goalkeeper, football commentator and analysts Now so the
All Whites already assured of a place in the Oceania
World Cup qualifying semi finals therein Wellington and mid March.
The final is three or four days later at Eden Park, Oceanya,
with direct entry into the next World Cup. So effectively
(09:24):
the All Whites are two wins away from going to
the twenty twenty six World Cup. Look forward to charting
their journey in March of next year.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
they'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk z'b.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Let's flick across the Football. Because the All Whites complete
Paul play in Oceania World Cup qualifying tonight, they play
some More and Mount Smart Stadium. Regardless of what happens,
they've secured their place in the semi finals of World
Cup qualifying in March of next year. This is going
to be very comfortable against some more inside that's lost
its previous two games. Former All Whites goalkeeper our football
commentator Jacob Spoonley, as with us, Jacob, before we look
(00:34):
at tonight's game, what impressed you the most about the
All Whites eight to one win over Vanuatu in Hamilton
the other night.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Curta Peney.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Look, I think if you look back at that game
and start with the result eight one, eight goals, they
really did assert themselves and confirmed that they are the
biggest entity in Oceania. And people might say, yeah, well
that's a pass mark, but the reality is the way
(01:04):
they conducted themselves in the in the range of goals
that they scored two for Chris Wood, arguably two for
Tyler Binden. Saprek scene comes on, scores one sets one
up later on. So they have not only said yeah,
we're here and we're taking this very seriously, they have
also gave an indication that this is a team with
(01:25):
a huge amount of breadth and depth. There's going to
be competition, and although it's sam Oh they're playing tonight,
the players that get sent out onto that field are
going to need to do a job because there are
a lot that are vying for those positions that they
currently hold.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I want to talk about the competition for places in
the eleven and the extended squad in a moment, but
tonight's matches, I say, should, on the face of it
be fairly straightforward. How will the players and coaching staff
have ensured that they keep their standards high and avoid
any sense of internal complacency tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Only.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I've had a chat with a couple of boys at
a coffee with them over the weekend, and you can
deduce who this person was that I was talking to,
but the conversation rotated.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Around good performance and scoring goals.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
So they are highly motivated regardless of who the opposition is.
And they also, I think, realize that they're in a
situation where they can rise above the majority of all
whites teams and they can put themselves in the conversation
with the likes of the nineteen eighty two generation in
the twenty ten generation. And so they are looking at
how they can engage in that conversation historically, which naturally
(02:38):
provides a motivation. Also touched on the competition aspect of things. Mate,
we've got was it three or four players deep now?
And you look at the players that we're talking about
that even get into the conversation around being involved in
the starting eleven or the squad. The minimum, the bare
minimum pinty is playing well at a league level. That
(03:01):
is a stark contrast to what we saw ten years ago.
And that's the bottom of the back. At the top
of the brad bracket is top tier European competition Seria
Premier League, which we now have four or five players
in league ear with being old and then we used
to have players in the Bundesliga as well. So to
be involved in this starting eleven is something that you
(03:23):
have to be not only performing, but performing regularly and consistently.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
How do players handle a scenario like that? Everybody wants
to play, everybody wants to be in a squad. They
know that, all things being equal, they're going to a
World Cup and depending on squad size, only twenty three
or twenty six can go. How do players handle that scenario.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, it's a very kind of foreign concept.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I think for a lot of the audience and the fans,
they see it as a heightened competition. For these players,
they experience that day to day in their club environments.
I mean Chris Wood literally is that the sharpest of
the sharpest end of the He is in the best
competition globally.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
He's used to this. Mate.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
In fact, he encourages it because he knows that he
makes them better. Leby Caacarca is exactly the same Marcus Staminich,
a player that has played Champions League football. They are
used to this, and the really exciting thing is more
and more players are getting into that mindset. So you're right,
the likes of the players on the periphery, those that
are playing for Auckland f C and Wellington Phoenix that
(04:32):
are really trying to make their case, they might have
to hit the accelerator and take their own individual performances
up a couple of notches. But for the large chunk,
the biggest cohort of the squad. They're already there and
they're doing it in their day jobs.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
You mentioned Chris Wood before and Darren Basley has confirmed
that Chris Wood will start tonight, which I think is magnificent.
You know, he doesn't need Chris Wood to beat some more,
but he's giving the Auckland football fans who turn up
the chance to see Chris Wood up close and personal.
Can you give us your take on the trajectory that
Chris Wood has ridden the last little while. I know
(05:09):
you've had quite a bit to do with him. Addie
of a cis where he is in his football career
right now.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
He is, He's in a different stratosphere.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Poney, the man is writing shotgun to Earling Harland in
the Premier League Golden Boot race at the moment. It
is absolutely phenomenal. If you compare him to other Premier
League strikers. I always look at the constellation of Gabrielle
Hazes and the fact that he has played for Man
(05:41):
City and Arsenal, the caliber of player and person that
has put chances on a plate for him regularly, and
the fact that he also plays for Brazil. We haven't
even mentioned that yet, Poney. The reality is Chris Wood
now has more Premier League goals than Gabrielle Hazes, which
is insane, It is absolutely absurd.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
But in terms of the.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Way Chris Wood has been able to elevate his game
recent I think you've seen a really sharp focus Woods.
He post thirty is somebody that I think understands the
business and he's able to make the game very, very simple.
But in doing that, he has to commit himself absolutely
off the field and then also on it to what
(06:24):
his role is and he understands first and foremost he
is there to put the ball on the back of
the net. And he is in a system at the
moment with Nuno Espirito Santo, the Nottingham Forest manager, that
plays to his strengths, that amplifies his abilities, and I
think he's just in that sweet spot where he's got
a direct path to the World Cup. He's in a
(06:45):
team that values him and that understands his abilities at
Premier League level.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And on top of it all, he.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Is an incredibly proud New Zealander. Been away for fifteen
sixteen years, he still sounds like a boy from Cambridge
or from one hunger sports, and he is somebody that
wants to leave behind a legacy. So that is why
he wants to play against some od That is why
any chance that comes as way tonight, he's going to
(07:11):
be absolutely ruthless because he knows that he's got a
wonderful opportunity at the moment. But he also wants to
put himself in the conversation. And I'm sorry I say
he wants to because I'm assuming this. He wants to
put himself in the conversation to be up there with
the likes of Steve Sumner, up there with the likes
of Wynton Rufer and Ryan Nelson. And to do that
you have to be historically great. It's not just about
(07:33):
what you do in any given ninety minutes.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
All right, and back to the All Whites environment. Darren
Baisley has now been in charge permanently since March of
last year. Approaching twenty games at the Helm, are you
seeing Darren Baisley's stamp on the All Whites?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yes, I think they've got a clear identity now they've
established a formation. They want to go out and play
a four two, three to one. Obviously there's some nuances
in variation within that, but you know that what you're
going to get with it. Darren Baizy side, the other
thing that I do like about his approach to the
game and this All Whites team is that he's making
it very player oriented. He's allowing the players to have
(08:16):
involvement in the decision making process around the way they
want to go out and create this identity. But equally
he's bringing in people to make the overall environment better.
Brought in Tony Redding's a very studious assistant coach, Simon
Elliott by a former player that's got a lot of experience.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
He's been brought into the environment.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
They're doing a lot of work around leadership and evolving
the cultural aspect of this All Whites team, working on
the work that was provided by Danny Hay when he
was the assistant and taking that forward, evolving it so
it's not revolutionary. So I think that's what you're seeing
with this Darren Baisley side. I also know that they've
(08:55):
got a couple more steps to take and I'm really
excited to see what happens to this team after Touchwood
Tiny we get through World Cup qualifying.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Thanks Jacob got to leave it there Jacob Spoonly, former
All Whites goalkeeper, football commentator and analysts Now so the
All Whites already assured of a place in the Oceania
World Cup qualifying semi finals therein Wellington and mid March.
The final is three or four days later at Eden Park, Oceanya,
with direct entry into the next World Cup. So effectively
(09:24):
the All Whites are two wins away from going to
the twenty twenty six World Cup. Look forward to charting
their journey in March of next year.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
they'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
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