August 13, 2024 • 8 mins
All Blacks Assistant Coach Jason Holland joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to discuss the recent loss to Argentina and the poor crowds at Sky Stadium.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Duncie Wildergrave
from News Talks That'd be.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We're joined now by Jason Holland, assistant coach for the
All Blacks ahead of the second Test against Argentina coming
up at Eden Park on Saturday night. Jason, welcome to
the show. Look as opposed to reviewing what happened in Wellington,
because I'm sure you're over that. Let's start previewing. Let's
start looking ahead, because I'm presuming that's where the coaching
staff are at the moment. You would have recycled what happened,
(00:35):
but now it's about what's next? Am I right with that?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
One? Yeah? One hundred percent. Monday it was pretty important
that we did.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
We do have a really good look at what had
happened on the weekend on Monday, and you know, we
have some really good conversations around how we have will
be better. But from this morning, You're right, Tuesday morning
has been look forward, get excited and look forward to
the challenge on Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So the most pressing lesson for this week what do
you have to apply? I suppose what are you going
to address in camp in the lead up to this match.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Well, one of one of the big rock says come
out of it is this how every time we got
into the Argentina's half were able to apply pressure, we
scored a lot of points. So the thing that led
us down was the fact that we scored points and
then we couldn't get out.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Of our own half.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
So it's been a big, a big focus of us
on how we make sure that we can you know,
stack moments so to speak, and score a try and
make sure we get down the other breend again and
rather than putting pressure on ourselves. So yeah, exits and
how we get out of our own end to have
been a massive focus, and then just skill sets making
sure that we're accurate and what we're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
So the exits, did you identify a particular part of
the exits that were problematic for you?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, Look, it was a little bit of a little
bit of execution stuff and a little bit of what
we're trying to do. You know, we need to especially
from kickoffs in Argentina kicked and got us in corners
and we went good enough to get out of corners
and get a kick on our tombs away. So we'll
look at how we addressed that and a couple of
little small variations in how we play.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Do you like start doing something direct like start kicking
the corners and practice so people get a handle on
what happens there. I mean, are you that do you
reflect that fast to react that quick?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah? I know, Look you have to you have to
look you on. You need to be fast learners.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And you know we you know we've there's exactly what
we've been doing, making sure putting the boys under pressure,
putting them in tough spots and training this morning and
making sure we have the composure and then the skill set.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
To to run or kick to get out of their
own end.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Who's in charge of that because there's a lot of
coaches floating around, I know there are, So is there
anyone that particularly that carries the can for that one.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Yeah, there's a little bit of a little bit of
a mix of a couple of people who you know
around our set piece and then around our system strategy,
around our rock.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
So between two or three coaches, they have a we've
got chat.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Around that, and then it just comes down to the
individual skill sets of the players and how we work
hard at that during the week.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
You mentioned Jason Holland rock. Is that your term for
things that went paar shape?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Actually no rocks there? Rocks are it's a bit of
terminology for stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So that's that's what I was to what you said
around the rock. Well, that's what it was like the
rock under your beach towel.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, a little bit of that.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
When you score a try and then your next thing
is you've got to line out on your own twenty two.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
So that's that's a bit of a rock under your tail.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Definitely, you shouldn't be lying out of towel at this
time of the season. Mate, Trust you got some work
to do around that attitude. You said, look, you've got
to you gotta drop it or leave it behind. You
got to look to the future. So what are the
positive at positive attitudes that the players are taking. Is
it's easy enough for them to drop last week pick
something up fresh.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah. The boys good, mate, though they're outstanding.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
They've been really honest around, honest around where we were
at and really keen to get in and get excited
about playing. You know, there's a lot of good things
around the game. You know, we put them under lots
of pressure at times and toward some good tries and
and didn't quite you know, ain't got denied in the
last minute and a few So yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
We we're excited.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
We know there's two or three little simple things we
have to get right to make sure the rest of
our game flows, and boys have been great at that.
I'm good and honest and now I had a good,
good training this morning and.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Looking forward to Not many people get to see Scott
Robertson after a loss, how was that.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Well historically right? Yeah, oh no, I didn't notice. Didn't notice.
I wasn't wasn't taking too much notice to that, to
be honest. But yeah, you know, that's a fair point.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
When you talk about looking at the corners you're training
throughout the week, how much of that takes into account
what happened and how much of that is pre planned
organized knowing what you had to do. I mean, there's
this on the fly, you've got to be reasonably nimble.
How's that structure work?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Jason, Yeah, it's a good question.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Because you have you have your systems and structures.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Around how you in any part of the game, and
then within that you have the little bits that you
have to tweet.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
So in this example, and structures are an exit and
making sure we were clear around how we get out
of those sidelines and just giving a little variations, giving
boys thought thoughts around how we can do that, and
small little variations. But it's not she's not a major,
she's the systems and structures are there.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
It's just around making sure we execute within it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Sistant coach of the All Blacks, Jason Holland joins us,
what about what the Argentines bring? How much of what
you're doing do you work into looking at what they
put for? Because plainly they did well, they scored a
bunch of points against you, and they look like they
are the business. So do you focus a great deal
on them because a lot of modern athletes like it's
all about us as opposed to the opposition, do you
(05:40):
take that into account?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Definitely? Definitely.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, we believe it's important to understand your opposition really well.
And as you say, though they're a quality, quality side,
they put us under lots of pressure at times, and
you know there's things around their mentality, you know, the
Argentina mentality, around the emotion and how when you give
them a bit of a sniff and they get you know,
the emotion starts that are pretty hard to stop. So yeah,
(06:04):
the technical technical things, we think we know them pretty well.
We've just got to make sure everything's on our terms
as much as possible to to keep the confidence levels
down and make sure that we will just keep keep
the pressure on them at all times.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
You're expecting much in the way of personnel changes leading
into Eden Park because we know the history there. This
is not exactly a minor test match. I mean, none
of them are, but this is a This is a
massive pressure point, isn't it Eden Park?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
With that history?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
So do you envisage people getting changed, players being changed
based on what happened in Wellington?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, Look, there's you know, boys are always und pressure.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
There's so much competition for in the squad around a
good number of positions, and boys are will be aware
of that. So look, you we'll confirm there in the
next few days and make sure that you know if guys,
if you guys deserve to be picked.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
So we'll see what happens the next few days.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
But yeah, guys are the competition within the squad is
massive and you need to be performing week in and
week out to stay there. Just to keep playing.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
And coming out to Eden Park get expected to be
a sellout, as it always is at Eden Park. What
about looking back to Wellington? How much does that effect
you guys when you run out there and there's pretty
much a what a very sparse crowd and that and
that's being polite. Does that slap you around a bit
as players and coaches?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think it. I don't
think the boys noticed it at the time.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I suppose the other side of the coin is when
it's full, their boys really feel it and love it
and it helps.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
So yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
There was a few too many yellow seats down and
Wellington wasn't there. And I don't know if that's a
sign of the times of Wellington or we're at with that.
But looking forward to filling the filling the Eden Park
on Saturday night, it'd be great and hopefully hearing them
and helping helping the boys get over the line.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
It wasn't surprising to you, Jason Holloman. You spend a
bit of time in and around that region coach and
the Hurricanes. Obviously you did stand around on what's going
on here, because I know I did.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, I was at I was surprised during the during
the week when I heard how twenty thousand tickets or
something you've been sold. But you know, it's a great
she's still pretty good occasion to come to the footy
and yeah, I don't know, you know, let's just hope
that that gets better and I'll be pretty sure that
come let us low time in a few weeks to
back down on wanting to they'll feel they'll saw that stadium.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And one last thing on that is management talk much
around the crowd. Has that been part of your discussions.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
No, not really, not really, Well, well, you appreciate and
love it when the when.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
The crowds are there and up until the up.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Until the weekends, she's been four houses, so yeah, luck
we it's more appreciative the people that come, really and
we haven't really had too many combos around it, to
be honest.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to news Talks.
They'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Duncie Wildergrave
from News Talks That'd be.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We're joined now by Jason Holland, assistant coach for the
All Blacks ahead of the second Test against Argentina coming
up at Eden Park on Saturday night. Jason, welcome to
the show. Look as opposed to reviewing what happened in Wellington,
because I'm sure you're over that. Let's start previewing. Let's
start looking ahead, because I'm presuming that's where the coaching
staff are at the moment. You would have recycled what happened,
(00:35):
but now it's about what's next? Am I right with that?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
One? Yeah? One hundred percent. Monday it was pretty important
that we did.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
We do have a really good look at what had
happened on the weekend on Monday, and you know, we
have some really good conversations around how we have will
be better. But from this morning, You're right, Tuesday morning
has been look forward, get excited and look forward to
the challenge on Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So the most pressing lesson for this week what do
you have to apply? I suppose what are you going
to address in camp in the lead up to this match.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Well, one of one of the big rock says come
out of it is this how every time we got
into the Argentina's half were able to apply pressure, we
scored a lot of points. So the thing that led
us down was the fact that we scored points and
then we couldn't get out.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Of our own half.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
So it's been a big, a big focus of us
on how we make sure that we can you know,
stack moments so to speak, and score a try and
make sure we get down the other breend again and
rather than putting pressure on ourselves. So yeah, exits and
how we get out of our own end to have
been a massive focus, and then just skill sets making
sure that we're accurate and what we're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
So the exits, did you identify a particular part of
the exits that were problematic for you?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, Look, it was a little bit of a little
bit of execution stuff and a little bit of what
we're trying to do. You know, we need to especially
from kickoffs in Argentina kicked and got us in corners
and we went good enough to get out of corners
and get a kick on our tombs away. So we'll
look at how we addressed that and a couple of
little small variations in how we play.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Do you like start doing something direct like start kicking
the corners and practice so people get a handle on
what happens there. I mean, are you that do you
reflect that fast to react that quick?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah? I know, Look you have to you have to
look you on. You need to be fast learners.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And you know we you know we've there's exactly what
we've been doing, making sure putting the boys under pressure,
putting them in tough spots and training this morning and
making sure we have the composure and then the skill set.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
To to run or kick to get out of their
own end.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Who's in charge of that because there's a lot of
coaches floating around, I know there are, So is there
anyone that particularly that carries the can for that one.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Yeah, there's a little bit of a little bit of
a mix of a couple of people who you know
around our set piece and then around our system strategy,
around our rock.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
So between two or three coaches, they have a we've
got chat.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Around that, and then it just comes down to the
individual skill sets of the players and how we work
hard at that during the week.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
You mentioned Jason Holland rock. Is that your term for
things that went paar shape?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Actually no rocks there? Rocks are it's a bit of
terminology for stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So that's that's what I was to what you said
around the rock. Well, that's what it was like the
rock under your beach towel.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, a little bit of that.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
When you score a try and then your next thing
is you've got to line out on your own twenty two.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
So that's that's a bit of a rock under your tail.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Definitely, you shouldn't be lying out of towel at this
time of the season. Mate, Trust you got some work
to do around that attitude. You said, look, you've got
to you gotta drop it or leave it behind. You
got to look to the future. So what are the
positive at positive attitudes that the players are taking. Is
it's easy enough for them to drop last week pick
something up fresh.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah. The boys good, mate, though they're outstanding.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
They've been really honest around, honest around where we were
at and really keen to get in and get excited
about playing. You know, there's a lot of good things
around the game. You know, we put them under lots
of pressure at times and toward some good tries and
and didn't quite you know, ain't got denied in the
last minute and a few So yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
We we're excited.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
We know there's two or three little simple things we
have to get right to make sure the rest of
our game flows, and boys have been great at that.
I'm good and honest and now I had a good,
good training this morning and.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Looking forward to Not many people get to see Scott
Robertson after a loss, how was that.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Well historically right? Yeah, oh no, I didn't notice. Didn't notice.
I wasn't wasn't taking too much notice to that, to
be honest. But yeah, you know, that's a fair point.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
When you talk about looking at the corners you're training
throughout the week, how much of that takes into account
what happened and how much of that is pre planned
organized knowing what you had to do. I mean, there's
this on the fly, you've got to be reasonably nimble.
How's that structure work?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Jason, Yeah, it's a good question.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Because you have you have your systems and structures.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Around how you in any part of the game, and
then within that you have the little bits that you
have to tweet.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
So in this example, and structures are an exit and
making sure we were clear around how we get out
of those sidelines and just giving a little variations, giving
boys thought thoughts around how we can do that, and
small little variations. But it's not she's not a major,
she's the systems and structures are there.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
It's just around making sure we execute within it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Sistant coach of the All Blacks, Jason Holland joins us,
what about what the Argentines bring? How much of what
you're doing do you work into looking at what they
put for? Because plainly they did well, they scored a
bunch of points against you, and they look like they
are the business. So do you focus a great deal
on them because a lot of modern athletes like it's
all about us as opposed to the opposition, do you
(05:40):
take that into account?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Definitely? Definitely.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, we believe it's important to understand your opposition really well.
And as you say, though they're a quality, quality side,
they put us under lots of pressure at times, and
you know there's things around their mentality, you know, the
Argentina mentality, around the emotion and how when you give
them a bit of a sniff and they get you know,
the emotion starts that are pretty hard to stop. So yeah,
(06:04):
the technical technical things, we think we know them pretty well.
We've just got to make sure everything's on our terms
as much as possible to to keep the confidence levels
down and make sure that we will just keep keep
the pressure on them at all times.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
You're expecting much in the way of personnel changes leading
into Eden Park because we know the history there. This
is not exactly a minor test match. I mean, none
of them are, but this is a This is a
massive pressure point, isn't it Eden Park?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
With that history?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
So do you envisage people getting changed, players being changed
based on what happened in Wellington?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, Look, there's you know, boys are always und pressure.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
There's so much competition for in the squad around a
good number of positions, and boys are will be aware
of that. So look, you we'll confirm there in the
next few days and make sure that you know if guys,
if you guys deserve to be picked.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
So we'll see what happens the next few days.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
But yeah, guys are the competition within the squad is
massive and you need to be performing week in and
week out to stay there. Just to keep playing.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
And coming out to Eden Park get expected to be
a sellout, as it always is at Eden Park. What
about looking back to Wellington? How much does that effect
you guys when you run out there and there's pretty
much a what a very sparse crowd and that and
that's being polite. Does that slap you around a bit
as players and coaches?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think it. I don't
think the boys noticed it at the time.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I suppose the other side of the coin is when
it's full, their boys really feel it and love it
and it helps.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
So yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
There was a few too many yellow seats down and
Wellington wasn't there. And I don't know if that's a
sign of the times of Wellington or we're at with that.
But looking forward to filling the filling the Eden Park
on Saturday night, it'd be great and hopefully hearing them
and helping helping the boys get over the line.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
It wasn't surprising to you, Jason Holloman. You spend a
bit of time in and around that region coach and
the Hurricanes. Obviously you did stand around on what's going
on here, because I know I did.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, I was at I was surprised during the during
the week when I heard how twenty thousand tickets or
something you've been sold. But you know, it's a great
she's still pretty good occasion to come to the footy
and yeah, I don't know, you know, let's just hope
that that gets better and I'll be pretty sure that
come let us low time in a few weeks to
back down on wanting to they'll feel they'll saw that stadium.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And one last thing on that is management talk much
around the crowd. Has that been part of your discussions.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
No, not really, not really, Well, well, you appreciate and
love it when the when.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
The crowds are there and up until the up.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Until the weekends, she's been four houses, so yeah, luck
we it's more appreciative the people that come, really and
we haven't really had too many combos around it, to
be honest.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to news Talks.
They'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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