Today marks thirty years since Team New Zealand won the America's Cup for the first time.
Sir Peter Blake and Black Magic beat Young America 5-0 in 1995.
Joey Allen was the Black Magic bowman, and he shared his memories with D'Arcy Waldegrave on Sportstalk.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk z'ed be.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
All right, let's talk about the wonderful day thirty years
ago today. The America's Cup is now New Zealand's Cup.
Infamous famous not infamous famous words from Peter John Montgomery
pjmont commentary as I sometimes call him. And it was
all based on the back of New Zealand finally finally
(00:37):
getting the old mug back to New Zealand by beating
an American team over in America.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
How good was that?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
And a man who was there on about Joey Allen,
he joins us now to discuss that day thirty years
ago today. Welcome to the show, Joey on Very well, mate,
are you celebrating the thirty years Did you wake up
this morning and go wow? Was that three decades ago
(01:03):
since he won the America's Cup.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Completely forgot about it in the dentist chair when you
were when you were bothering me, I was sitting in
the dentist chair getting the teeth drilled out. So no,
completely forgot about it.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
But what do you remember about it now? Because it
seems like a lifetime ago that it happened. It was
in the mid nineties, for crying out loud. To me,
it's a distant memory, but it was such a huge
event in New Zealand sport, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Look the memories are real and they don't they don't fade,
you know, the yachting. I struggled to remember the yachting,
but you know, guys, I just remember the you know,
the memories of the guys, the team. It was just
a phenomenal bunch of people, it really was. And yeah,
those memories are with you forever. How did you get
(01:51):
hauled into it? Joe?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
You've been sailing your entire life.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I expect you.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You know, it came out sailing. But you know what
late thirties you were.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
How did you get hold into this? What was your drive? Well?
I was just you know, a stereotypical yachty banging around
the harbor. And I'll be honest. I got a phone
call from Russell Coots, who I had have to say.
We went the best of mates, you know through going
through the Auckland yachting scene is pretty brutal, and we
had a couple of good biffs you know, on the
(02:22):
harbor and didn't get off to a great start. But
one day he rang me a year before the regatta
and said, would you be interested in sailing with me
in the America's Cup. And you know, it was a
little bit henitant because we went. We went on the
best terms, but when you read out the crew, he said, look,
this is who I'm trying to get hold of, and
these are the people I want to take. I just said, mate,
(02:43):
I'm not missing out on that. That's that's you know,
they're going to have to be very very good to
beat those guys, you know, and beat that team and
beat the way it was organized. And it was an
absolute no brainer to sign up right there and then,
even though it was a year before it actually happened.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
They talk about the team and there are so many
names now that still reverberate around yachtingm circles and sporting circles,
setpated by plainly one of them. You had Russell Coots,
who's extraordinary, Tom Schnackenberg, but there was a few guys
that maybe have paled into history so much, but it's
all about all of them, the likes of the the
(03:21):
Simon Daubeny's, for example.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
There were so many guys who were so integral to
that team. Yeah, everyone, you know, put put in a
massive effort and it was it's hard to describe, but
you know we everyone talks about mental strength and mental toughness,
and that strong had a serious confidence, bordering on arrogance
(03:46):
about it, you know, the Daubsease, and they all had
their roles a lot. You know. It might have been humor,
it might have been aggression. It might have been physicality,
it might have been intelligence, it might have been artistic flair.
Everybody contributed, you know, and created this monster of a
very very very successful yachting crew, you know, yachting team.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
When you were getting close to actually lifting the cup?
How did the energy change amongst the team? But of
course the whole country behind you hereone was going mad
all that red socks on that the pressure that must
have been bearing down on your wall.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Did that affect this team much? Look, it was a
different time. It was before the internet, and we we were,
you know, doing a yachting regatta in San Diego, and
we didn't really you know, appreciate the you know the
magnitude of how what was happening back in Auckland, back
(04:41):
in New Zealand. You know, we were. I do remember
when we've crossed the finishing line, the feeling of the relief.
It was a relief more than anything of just not
having to go out day after day after day and
perform at a very very high level. You know. It
was more of a feeling of a relief for me personally,
(05:01):
to be honest.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
You sailed in the regatta. It was pretty intense and
so a short period of time you build up you'd
just come off sailing around the world. Joey Yellen, that's
quite an interesting transition.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Well, I mean for Dean Phips and I who were
the two boundmen on the front of the yacht, it
couldn't have been a better platform, you know, we would
we were doing those those those sale changes that you
saw in the cup, We were doing those in the
middle of the night, you know, and dark in the
Southern Ocean. We were we were very, very very confident
(05:36):
and that you know, we could perform it at that
and above that level and maybe set the bar as
far as crew work goes. And you know, we had
Robbie Nasmith, we had Brad Butterworth, Tony Ray, we had
guys that had just smashed themselves around the world straight
into that, and the Americans at that time weren't really
doing the ocean racing as we were, you know, so
(05:58):
I got to be honest, there's a little bit of
arrogance about us.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You probably need that though, don't you a lot of
strong personalities trying to win one of the biggest prizes
in world sport.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, you need, you need everything, but you're you're also
need you know. There was one thing about that those
guys and that team is there was a lot of
human There was so much that it was. Russell can
be a very funny man, Brad Butter with you know,
Andrew Taylor, Craig Mark, some of those guys are just
in Simon Dorbeney. They're just very, very very funny men.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You guys ever get together, it's been it's been a
long time between drinks. Is they're still a relationship with
you or yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Very much so, Like it's it's it's very very good
to spend one on one with one of them, but
you kind of avoid getting too many of them together
because it you can go pretty nasty pretty quick, you know,
you know, you you try and avoid the big ones.
I'll be honest with you. You know, I had to
get away and your wildest dreams.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Looking at where the America's Cup has gone since you
managed to rest that trophy and bring it back here,
it's just alerated, not only from what you were sailing,
because it's very, very different now, but the size of it.
Has it expanded in the right direction? Do you think, Well,
it's certainly gone in a direction. Look, I love watching
(07:20):
America's Cup now, you know. And I was at a
party the other night with a lot of the current
the current team members and the guys that are still
very active in it, and look, you know, it just
felt that being in the room with them, it just
felt exactly the same. The camaraderie and all of that
side of it's still there. You know that this the
(07:41):
sport is it's insane to watch, you know, you have
to you have to love it. Not everyone will agree
with me, but I really really enjoy the direction it's taken.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Joey Allen, thanks so much for your time in these memories.
Although I'm amazed that after the event you've got any memories,
because I think things went a little little west. How
do you feel about not being here anymore is that
it's a huge conversation around defend that it once got it,
but it's not back in New Zealand. That must be
a shot to your kidneys.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Look, the two Cups that were here were fantastic, and
yet it would be nice for it to be here.
But I fully understand the costs needed to run it,
and I get it. I understand why it's not here. Yeah,
I'm really disappointed. I think it is an opportunity that's gone.
But hey, I'm still a massive America's Cup fan, always
will be.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah on that Joey Allen, who not only is a
fantastic sailor America's Cup winner, but he's a co host
as well on our podcast Birds Eye. If you got
to get out of there date You're looking forward to
connecting the Cup again with you and Barbara Kendall as
we carry on making a ruckus. Hey, happy birthday mate,
thirty years young.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
You're a good man. Thanks for the call, Buddy.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
For more from sports Talk, listen live to news Talks
they'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk z'ed be.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
All right, let's talk about the wonderful day thirty years
ago today. The America's Cup is now New Zealand's Cup.
Infamous famous not infamous famous words from Peter John Montgomery
pjmont commentary as I sometimes call him. And it was
all based on the back of New Zealand finally finally
(00:37):
getting the old mug back to New Zealand by beating
an American team over in America.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
How good was that?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
And a man who was there on about Joey Allen,
he joins us now to discuss that day thirty years
ago today. Welcome to the show, Joey on Very well, mate,
are you celebrating the thirty years Did you wake up
this morning and go wow? Was that three decades ago
(01:03):
since he won the America's Cup.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Completely forgot about it in the dentist chair when you
were when you were bothering me, I was sitting in
the dentist chair getting the teeth drilled out. So no,
completely forgot about it.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
But what do you remember about it now? Because it
seems like a lifetime ago that it happened. It was
in the mid nineties, for crying out loud. To me,
it's a distant memory, but it was such a huge
event in New Zealand sport, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Look the memories are real and they don't they don't fade,
you know, the yachting. I struggled to remember the yachting,
but you know, guys, I just remember the you know,
the memories of the guys, the team. It was just
a phenomenal bunch of people, it really was. And yeah,
those memories are with you forever. How did you get
(01:51):
hauled into it? Joe?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
You've been sailing your entire life.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I expect you.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You know, it came out sailing. But you know what
late thirties you were.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
How did you get hold into this? What was your drive? Well?
I was just you know, a stereotypical yachty banging around
the harbor. And I'll be honest. I got a phone
call from Russell Coots, who I had have to say.
We went the best of mates, you know through going
through the Auckland yachting scene is pretty brutal, and we
had a couple of good biffs you know, on the
(02:22):
harbor and didn't get off to a great start. But
one day he rang me a year before the regatta
and said, would you be interested in sailing with me
in the America's Cup. And you know, it was a
little bit henitant because we went. We went on the
best terms, but when you read out the crew, he said, look,
this is who I'm trying to get hold of, and
these are the people I want to take. I just said, mate,
(02:43):
I'm not missing out on that. That's that's you know,
they're going to have to be very very good to
beat those guys, you know, and beat that team and
beat the way it was organized. And it was an
absolute no brainer to sign up right there and then,
even though it was a year before it actually happened.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
They talk about the team and there are so many
names now that still reverberate around yachtingm circles and sporting circles,
setpated by plainly one of them. You had Russell Coots,
who's extraordinary, Tom Schnackenberg, but there was a few guys
that maybe have paled into history so much, but it's
all about all of them, the likes of the the
(03:21):
Simon Daubeny's, for example.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
There were so many guys who were so integral to
that team. Yeah, everyone, you know, put put in a
massive effort and it was it's hard to describe, but
you know we everyone talks about mental strength and mental toughness,
and that strong had a serious confidence, bordering on arrogance
(03:46):
about it, you know, the Daubsease, and they all had
their roles a lot. You know. It might have been humor,
it might have been aggression. It might have been physicality,
it might have been intelligence, it might have been artistic flair.
Everybody contributed, you know, and created this monster of a
very very very successful yachting crew, you know, yachting team.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
When you were getting close to actually lifting the cup?
How did the energy change amongst the team? But of
course the whole country behind you hereone was going mad
all that red socks on that the pressure that must
have been bearing down on your wall.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Did that affect this team much? Look, it was a
different time. It was before the internet, and we we were,
you know, doing a yachting regatta in San Diego, and
we didn't really you know, appreciate the you know the
magnitude of how what was happening back in Auckland, back
(04:41):
in New Zealand. You know, we were. I do remember
when we've crossed the finishing line, the feeling of the relief.
It was a relief more than anything of just not
having to go out day after day after day and
perform at a very very high level. You know. It
was more of a feeling of a relief for me personally,
(05:01):
to be honest.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
You sailed in the regatta. It was pretty intense and
so a short period of time you build up you'd
just come off sailing around the world. Joey Yellen, that's
quite an interesting transition.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Well, I mean for Dean Phips and I who were
the two boundmen on the front of the yacht, it
couldn't have been a better platform, you know, we would
we were doing those those those sale changes that you
saw in the cup, We were doing those in the
middle of the night, you know, and dark in the
Southern Ocean. We were we were very, very very confident
(05:36):
and that you know, we could perform it at that
and above that level and maybe set the bar as
far as crew work goes. And you know, we had
Robbie Nasmith, we had Brad Butterworth, Tony Ray, we had
guys that had just smashed themselves around the world straight
into that, and the Americans at that time weren't really
doing the ocean racing as we were, you know, so
(05:58):
I got to be honest, there's a little bit of
arrogance about us.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You probably need that though, don't you a lot of
strong personalities trying to win one of the biggest prizes
in world sport.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, you need, you need everything, but you're you're also
need you know. There was one thing about that those
guys and that team is there was a lot of
human There was so much that it was. Russell can
be a very funny man, Brad Butter with you know,
Andrew Taylor, Craig Mark, some of those guys are just
in Simon Dorbeney. They're just very, very very funny men.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You guys ever get together, it's been it's been a
long time between drinks. Is they're still a relationship with
you or yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Very much so, Like it's it's it's very very good
to spend one on one with one of them, but
you kind of avoid getting too many of them together
because it you can go pretty nasty pretty quick, you know,
you know, you you try and avoid the big ones.
I'll be honest with you. You know, I had to
get away and your wildest dreams.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Looking at where the America's Cup has gone since you
managed to rest that trophy and bring it back here,
it's just alerated, not only from what you were sailing,
because it's very, very different now, but the size of it.
Has it expanded in the right direction? Do you think, Well,
it's certainly gone in a direction. Look, I love watching
(07:20):
America's Cup now, you know. And I was at a
party the other night with a lot of the current
the current team members and the guys that are still
very active in it, and look, you know, it just
felt that being in the room with them, it just
felt exactly the same. The camaraderie and all of that
side of it's still there. You know that this the
(07:41):
sport is it's insane to watch, you know, you have
to you have to love it. Not everyone will agree
with me, but I really really enjoy the direction it's taken.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Joey Allen, thanks so much for your time in these memories.
Although I'm amazed that after the event you've got any memories,
because I think things went a little little west. How
do you feel about not being here anymore is that
it's a huge conversation around defend that it once got it,
but it's not back in New Zealand. That must be
a shot to your kidneys.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Look, the two Cups that were here were fantastic, and
yet it would be nice for it to be here.
But I fully understand the costs needed to run it,
and I get it. I understand why it's not here. Yeah,
I'm really disappointed. I think it is an opportunity that's gone.
But hey, I'm still a massive America's Cup fan, always
will be.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah on that Joey Allen, who not only is a
fantastic sailor America's Cup winner, but he's a co host
as well on our podcast Birds Eye. If you got
to get out of there date You're looking forward to
connecting the Cup again with you and Barbara Kendall as
we carry on making a ruckus. Hey, happy birthday mate,
thirty years young.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
You're a good man. Thanks for the call, Buddy.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
For more from sports Talk, listen live to news Talks
they'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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