June 25, 2024 • 7 mins
Right, the All Blacks squad has been named, so now we get to the most fun part of the whole process....
...appointing ourselves as armchair selectors and arguing about whether we would have picked the same team as the professionals!
But before we got to that on Sportstalk, D'Arcy Waldegrave decided we should start with an actual expert on this stuff, so he had a chat with former All Blacks coach John Hart.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk Z'B.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And we're joined now by a former All Black coach,
John Hart, as we take a look at the men
that have been anointed as the All Blacks for this season,
the first pick the first roster under new coach Scott Robertson. John,
Welcome as always. I suppose first up your initial reaction
to that naming.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I think it's, you know, largely as expected as a
couple of surprises, obviously with the Hurricanes prop Tossy, I
think that's probably is a little bit of a surprise,
but probably the omission of hoskinstitute, who is the biggest surprise,
given that I think he's probably been one of the
(00:53):
players of the year in Super rugby.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
What does that say about the relationship between Robertson and
Stituctu or more's the point, what Robertson want out of
this team, because, as you know, being a coach, you've
got to fill the team of players you know are
going to respond and are going to work with the
plan you've got ahead. So taking that into account, what
do you think Robinson makes of Statuti? Why didn't he
get in.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I've got no idea and hopefully you know, they sit
down with him and tell him because I think you
know that was that he deserves that, and I'm sure
they will. But you know, they've a very strong squad's
got a lot of depth in it. A little surprised,
to be fair, they've said it's thirty two plus four,
but it's really thirty six because the four they've named
(01:37):
sort of covering injuries. Like I assume that you know
Sam Dowry is the fourth b Lock rather than being
named he's he's sitting there covering the potential injuries to
to a Palodo and to Scott Barrett Bauer possibly covering
off a tour Cafarsi who went off in the weekend.
Reuben Love just gives them that to cover at fallback,
(01:57):
which you know they've gone a bit short just with
the three three options that can play fullback, fall back
and ten. But look, I think it's quite a predictable
selection and generally is rewarding form in the in the
Super Rugby competition.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You mentioned to any other players that you feel made
ll not have been hard done by that we're probably
right on the cusp that possibly may have gotten that nod. Oh.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Look, I think there's always those players, and you know
that's the beauty of our competition and the depth of
the competition. So I mean, I thought, I thought Peter
Larkeye I liked him. I thought his performances this year
were slightly different from what they've picked. There's a bit
of a sameness to me about the loose forwards that
they picked, and I think lark House or too to
(02:47):
bring a lot of difference. But look, they know what
the key thing then you mentioned it. They know what
they how they want to play, they know what skills
they need, and they picked that team to do that.
And now we've got to all get behind it and
wish them well because it's a big year and it's
not an easy year, and it's not easy starting with
two tests against.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
England, try by fire, wouldn't it extraordinary? Way as opposed
to your general soft touches maybe playing a Pacific team,
are touring not so sharp team from Europe. They're really
going to hit the ground running. From what we know
of England and this all black team very very close
to expect these exchanges.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, I mean, I think this is a surreal challenge
for the coaching team, new coaching team, new captain. You know,
a number of new players, but not too many new players,
you know. I think the really good thing which says
something about the selection process of the former panel, that
they really have picked most of the players that the
former panel picked, and we're very successful in this in
(03:42):
the World Cup. So I wasn't never really expecting too
much change. But obviously there were some gaps caused by
you know, the injury to camroy Guard for instance, opened
up a third half back option, and there's always those opportunities,
and the injury to the chiefs Howker, who also opened
up an opportunity. So outside of that, it's a pretty
(04:03):
pretty much a side that was at mirrors. Mirror's very
much a two thousand and twenty three World Cup with
the obviously with the exception of the all back sort
of left.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Do you mention the halfback situation Courtiztma has made every
post winner so far. What do you think he brings,
because of course you'd expect that it become the next
selection or the next team named, providing roy Gard's right.
Towards the end of the season he'll drop away. So
he's got a fever on his plate. Hasn't he to
not establish himself but to keep that position.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, but it's an opportunity and you know, look, there's
always injuries, there's always opportunity, and you've got to make
sure when you give to get your chance to take it,
you know you've got I think then Christy's probably moved
to the front of a queue. I think t J.
Perrenardo has had a good season and he will be
very valuable and probably pretty good to come off the
(04:55):
bench and close out a game. But you know, I
expect Radama to be probably just in behind those two initially,
but you know, he's shone with the Chiefs. He's got
an explosive speed, he's got a good work rate, you know,
so I think, you know he'll get a chance. And
you know the halfback depth is you know, Roy Guard's
(05:16):
a real myss for me because he had progressed so
much that you know, I saw Roy Guard and Christy
being a really good combination.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
In the form of Billy Proctor, John Hart joins the
program in the form of Billy Proctor. He's been around
for a couple of years and this time he's solidified
and starting to put out what we all know he
is capable of, but the consistency is there, so that's
not only him, but it's the coaching staff of the
Hurricanes drawing the best out of him. Surely.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Look, I think he's been one of the standout our players.
I thought he had a wonderful season. I think his
combination with Jordy Barrett is very good and that wouldn't
go unnoticed. So you know, I think, you know, he's
a really deserved selection. I think he's worked really well
and he's added to his game and he's one of
the players of a year I think in terms of
Super rugby, so very deserving of a spot. And you
(06:07):
know it gives it gives, you know, gives us some
good midfield options, you know, with Barrett, Lennart Brown, Rico
Yuani and Proctor.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's strong right across that we talked about. He was
arguably shifted to one side by Wallace SETTI he's putting
a lot on this guy. He's very young for a louse,
he's only twenty one years old. A lot of pressure
on his shoulders. Do you think maybe he stood up
to that when he played over the weekend, Not that
that was the wet hand in deciding his selection. But
(06:38):
how do you think he went on the park even
though the Chiefs were well beaten.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I thought he started well and then I thought he
was a bit quiet, to be fair, I thought, you know,
the loose forwards there was you know, one team's going forward,
ones going back. It's always makes it a lot easier
for loose forwards to stand out. But you know, I
thought he had quite a quiet game. You know, he's
been picked on the back of a very good semi final,
(07:02):
but they've obviously seen a lot. I haven't seen a
lot of them, so okay, you know, I've got to
be careful. I haven't watched a lot of them. Really
impressed with his game in the semi final down in Wellington,
but you know it's a big challenge. It's a big
move for him from where he's been to you know,
have had what seven or I don't know what, he's
had seven or eight games starting games for the Chiefs
(07:25):
and now he's potentially an All Black number eight. So
that's a huge step up. So they obviously see a
lot and one thing the selectors have is a benefit
of spending a lot of time and with players as
well as researching them so you know they obviously see
a lot there.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
For more from sports talk, listen lived to news talks.
They'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk Z'B.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And we're joined now by a former All Black coach,
John Hart, as we take a look at the men
that have been anointed as the All Blacks for this season,
the first pick the first roster under new coach Scott Robertson. John,
Welcome as always. I suppose first up your initial reaction
to that naming.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I think it's, you know, largely as expected as a
couple of surprises, obviously with the Hurricanes prop Tossy, I
think that's probably is a little bit of a surprise,
but probably the omission of hoskinstitute, who is the biggest surprise,
given that I think he's probably been one of the
(00:53):
players of the year in Super rugby.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
What does that say about the relationship between Robertson and
Stituctu or more's the point, what Robertson want out of
this team, because, as you know, being a coach, you've
got to fill the team of players you know are
going to respond and are going to work with the
plan you've got ahead. So taking that into account, what
do you think Robinson makes of Statuti? Why didn't he
get in.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I've got no idea and hopefully you know, they sit
down with him and tell him because I think you
know that was that he deserves that, and I'm sure
they will. But you know, they've a very strong squad's
got a lot of depth in it. A little surprised,
to be fair, they've said it's thirty two plus four,
but it's really thirty six because the four they've named
(01:37):
sort of covering injuries. Like I assume that you know
Sam Dowry is the fourth b Lock rather than being
named he's he's sitting there covering the potential injuries to
to a Palodo and to Scott Barrett Bauer possibly covering
off a tour Cafarsi who went off in the weekend.
Reuben Love just gives them that to cover at fallback,
(01:57):
which you know they've gone a bit short just with
the three three options that can play fullback, fall back
and ten. But look, I think it's quite a predictable
selection and generally is rewarding form in the in the
Super Rugby competition.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You mentioned to any other players that you feel made
ll not have been hard done by that we're probably
right on the cusp that possibly may have gotten that nod. Oh.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Look, I think there's always those players, and you know
that's the beauty of our competition and the depth of
the competition. So I mean, I thought, I thought Peter
Larkeye I liked him. I thought his performances this year
were slightly different from what they've picked. There's a bit
of a sameness to me about the loose forwards that
they picked, and I think lark House or too to
(02:47):
bring a lot of difference. But look, they know what
the key thing then you mentioned it. They know what
they how they want to play, they know what skills
they need, and they picked that team to do that.
And now we've got to all get behind it and
wish them well because it's a big year and it's
not an easy year, and it's not easy starting with
two tests against.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
England, try by fire, wouldn't it extraordinary? Way as opposed
to your general soft touches maybe playing a Pacific team,
are touring not so sharp team from Europe. They're really
going to hit the ground running. From what we know
of England and this all black team very very close
to expect these exchanges.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, I mean, I think this is a surreal challenge
for the coaching team, new coaching team, new captain. You know,
a number of new players, but not too many new players,
you know. I think the really good thing which says
something about the selection process of the former panel, that
they really have picked most of the players that the
former panel picked, and we're very successful in this in
(03:42):
the World Cup. So I wasn't never really expecting too
much change. But obviously there were some gaps caused by
you know, the injury to camroy Guard for instance, opened
up a third half back option, and there's always those opportunities,
and the injury to the chiefs Howker, who also opened
up an opportunity. So outside of that, it's a pretty
(04:03):
pretty much a side that was at mirrors. Mirror's very
much a two thousand and twenty three World Cup with
the obviously with the exception of the all back sort
of left.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Do you mention the halfback situation Courtiztma has made every
post winner so far. What do you think he brings,
because of course you'd expect that it become the next
selection or the next team named, providing roy Gard's right.
Towards the end of the season he'll drop away. So
he's got a fever on his plate. Hasn't he to
not establish himself but to keep that position.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, but it's an opportunity and you know, look, there's
always injuries, there's always opportunity, and you've got to make
sure when you give to get your chance to take it,
you know you've got I think then Christy's probably moved
to the front of a queue. I think t J.
Perrenardo has had a good season and he will be
very valuable and probably pretty good to come off the
(04:55):
bench and close out a game. But you know, I
expect Radama to be probably just in behind those two initially,
but you know, he's shone with the Chiefs. He's got
an explosive speed, he's got a good work rate, you know,
so I think, you know he'll get a chance. And
you know the halfback depth is you know, Roy Guard's
(05:16):
a real myss for me because he had progressed so
much that you know, I saw Roy Guard and Christy
being a really good combination.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
In the form of Billy Proctor, John Hart joins the
program in the form of Billy Proctor. He's been around
for a couple of years and this time he's solidified
and starting to put out what we all know he
is capable of, but the consistency is there, so that's
not only him, but it's the coaching staff of the
Hurricanes drawing the best out of him. Surely.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Look, I think he's been one of the standout our players.
I thought he had a wonderful season. I think his
combination with Jordy Barrett is very good and that wouldn't
go unnoticed. So you know, I think, you know, he's
a really deserved selection. I think he's worked really well
and he's added to his game and he's one of
the players of a year I think in terms of
Super rugby, so very deserving of a spot. And you
(06:07):
know it gives it gives, you know, gives us some
good midfield options, you know, with Barrett, Lennart Brown, Rico
Yuani and Proctor.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's strong right across that we talked about. He was
arguably shifted to one side by Wallace SETTI he's putting
a lot on this guy. He's very young for a louse,
he's only twenty one years old. A lot of pressure
on his shoulders. Do you think maybe he stood up
to that when he played over the weekend, Not that
that was the wet hand in deciding his selection. But
(06:38):
how do you think he went on the park even
though the Chiefs were well beaten.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I thought he started well and then I thought he
was a bit quiet, to be fair, I thought, you know,
the loose forwards there was you know, one team's going forward,
ones going back. It's always makes it a lot easier
for loose forwards to stand out. But you know, I
thought he had quite a quiet game. You know, he's
been picked on the back of a very good semi final,
(07:02):
but they've obviously seen a lot. I haven't seen a
lot of them, so okay, you know, I've got to
be careful. I haven't watched a lot of them. Really
impressed with his game in the semi final down in Wellington,
but you know it's a big challenge. It's a big
move for him from where he's been to you know,
have had what seven or I don't know what, he's
had seven or eight games starting games for the Chiefs
(07:25):
and now he's potentially an All Black number eight. So
that's a huge step up. So they obviously see a
lot and one thing the selectors have is a benefit
of spending a lot of time and with players as
well as researching them so you know they obviously see
a lot there.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
For more from sports talk, listen lived to news talks.
They'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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