Another big playoff game for Auckland FC this week
They're hosting Melbourne Victory at Mt Smart, and need to make sure the aggregate score stays in their favour if they want to reach the A-League grand final.
Auckland FC goalkeeping coach Jonathan Gould spoke to D'Arcy Waldegrave on Sportstalk.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk zed Be.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Football Now. It became huge game, a massive game. Can
the Auckland Football Club overcome the threats of victory? They
have got a nose in front, they've got one foot
in the door. What's a funny old game though, it
doesn't take much to turn the table strong as you
come this year, clean sheet after clean sheet from Alex Paulson,
(00:35):
a man pastly responsible for that as Jonathan Gold. He's
the goalkeeping at coach and he's a good man, I've
got to say. He joins us now to talk about preparations,
talk about fear, to talk about Alex.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Paulson, to talk about football.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Good evening, Jonathan. I'm doing very well. More's the point.
What are you guys? How are you doing? How are
you carrying this? This is getting more and more intense,
surely with every passing day.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
It was intense the smalling when we were watching Ange
win it for top.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
No, I know that much.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And I think when you watch those moments and having
had the one where we took the plate out, you
kind of dream of the next one and you understand
what those guys are going through having you know, you
go through so much as a as an athlete and
as a coach.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Winning is everything.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You've got to compartmentalize, though, don't you. I'd suggest, I
don't know what your theories are around that's how much
of last week's going the first league do you guys
carry into League two.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I think you carry a lot of it, given how
how we sort of operated on the night. You know,
the performance that the lads gave in. You know, the
effort that went into the the game, into the preparation,
into the ninety three, four or five minutes that we played.
You know, even the emotion I think of it in
the inside of the post twice where a second goal
(01:57):
makes it, you know, us a real bit of daylight.
So you go through all those emotions after the game,
and then you know, Steve's analyzed them with the players
over the last couple days. But I think it's more
of the same. It's the it's you've got to go
with the same attitude. You've also got to go with
an attitude that you're you're not just holding on to
one goal. You've got the ability to go and extend
(02:18):
that and that I think there's got to be ours.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I've you know, I've.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Played in a Championship promotion game when brad when I
was at Bradford and we got beat by Blackpool two
nil in the in the first leg at home, and
then Blackpool had ordered the coaches for Wembley. They were
singing and dancing and and you know, two nil. We
turned it round three too. So you know, there's there's
(02:42):
there's always a moment in the game that it could
swing on. And and I think, you know, like one
nil up and you you're going to I personally believe
that you defend harder than you are you do when
you're two nil up.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You're not going to park a bus though, are you.
You're going to go on a similar thought process. You're
going to play the game you play.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, you know, And like I said, Steve, Steve spoke
to this one, and we've looked at the way that
we've we've been able to unhinge them at times away
from home. You know that their attitude will have to
be they've got to come and open the game up
very very quickly, and that kind of should help us
(03:20):
on the current attack. And what we spoke to about
today was really about how more effective we can be
on the counter attack.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You can't predict what they're going to do, though, can you,
because that just opens up all sorts of cans of worms.
So you've got to understand where they might be coming from.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
That.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
You can't put that on them too much, am I right?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
No? But you can predict that They've got to be
positive and when you play positive football, you also leave space.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And that's what we have to try and exploit.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Who becomes the most important in that exploitation role.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Of the person that wins that trat first transition, the
player that can get that first pass off, and then
and then when we can pick that pass that you
know that we've got the pace up front to actually
hurt the oppositions. So there, you know, there's three or
four moments really and it's and it all starts from
our structure behind the ball.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
How do you address the maybe nerves, the good news,
the anticipatory nerves, all the bad news Because I'm doing
this job, Faro long Jonathan been talking to athletes and
some just go, it's a fresh game, it's new, I'm
doing this and I'm excited. I'm going to carry that
excitement and other players are like, I'm freaking out, but
that actually propels me. Is there a general group attitude
(04:36):
or the individuals do their own thing? How does that
actually work in the build up? I'm sure it's very personal.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, I think it is personal.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I remember Alex saying to me a couple of weeks
ago before a game, I'm nervous, and I said to him, says,
that's a good thing. Says that means you've you've got
an edge about you, other nerves like players can show
in different ways.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
But I think you know, our probably job.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
As a coaching group is to keep keep that intensity
away until it's really needed on the day. I think
you go through the week where there's too much of that,
I think that can then overspill. The adrenaline over spills,
and it can sometimes go the other way.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So it's really important.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
That that we've kept training.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Very purposeful, but not overt the intent.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You don't want to be over stimulated, do you, and
leave it all on the training pack. It's not when
you want to win the game.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That talk about the shadow of loss, it's quite fascinating
to me. Maybe I'm a very negative human or not,
but you're not gonna when every tournament you play, you're
not gonna win every game you go into. Do you
guys talk much about like leaning into the concept of loss.
Has it got a place or not?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
No, I don't think it gets talked about. But I'd
be lying if I said you don't think about those moments.
And again I could only speak from personal experience. When
I was coaching at Middlesbrough and we were in the
semi final to get to Wembley to get into the
Premier League, and we were playing Aston Villa and we
you know, we'd lost the first game, I think one
(06:09):
neil and so we had to be very very positive.
Got picked off by a very good vility and you
walk off the field, you walk into the dressing room,
the manager will say is peace, and then you're gone
For the next six weeks. You don't really speak to
anybody because that's the end of the season. And that's
the very finite thing about playoff football, and that's I
suppose that's kind of that's what you clearly don't want
(06:33):
to happen, but that's how it does happen, very very
very quickly. On the other side of it is if
you come out and you've won the game at the weekend,
you've got an incredible build up then to a Grand
Final and that's again, that's that's about further, that's about supporters,
and that's about excitement as to what's on the other
side of a potential victory there, which would be quite
(06:53):
an historic occasion in football, for football in this country.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Jonathan Gord, When you lift a line for that six
seven weeks? Does it drissed much by by? I'm sure
that psychology within the team is huge now sport. But
then lish to just I suppose sit there and steam
not helpful? What do you guys do in that space?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Well, that depends which way it goes, didn't it.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well, yeah, no, when you're sitting in there going, oh
my god, we got knocked out, and the coach balls
you out and walks out the door, and you go,
what I'm gonna do now?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Yeah, well, you just you kind of accept it in
that moment.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I think you probably shouldew on it.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yeah, And then I suppose it's when you walk back
back in the door at the at the start of
the next season. It's it's where your focus is and
what you want to achieve, and you know You've got
to remember, I think you know in this league how
many teams.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
We've got twelve thirteen teams.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Every team starts a season thinking that it will win
the Grand Final. All the supporters thing that way. So
you know, that's how we have to think. And our
challenge will probably be be next year as much as
it is this year, because the second seasons is always
the hardest and that's their one theft. That's something that
I've already spoken about is how we're gonna make sure
(08:08):
that the targets are there, that the desire is there
from us first of all as coaches, and then make
sure that translates to the players.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
How much delaying on Dan Hall, it's quite a damn
hand at winning everything, isn't he? I mean after last year,
I think he picked up three boxes of chocolate, so
a couple of the year before that. How instrument was
his experience within.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
This Well again, if you go go to his character
and his personality, he's one of those guys that trains
plays very very intensely in his moments. But it's also
this laid back is not the right word, but he's
got a character that everybody bounces off. He's fantastic to
have around, and he's been kind of the epitome of
what we've we've probably achieved thus far in the season.
(08:51):
And and like you say, his experience, it's been invaluable.
And you if you look at his last five or
six I don't know how many it is. He and
I sat down the other day, so how many of
you were now on the bouks and it must be
it must be around five or six secutive trophies that
have been on offer other than the FA Cup FFA
Cup this year because we couldn't play in it anyway.
(09:12):
But if you think won the trouble, he's taken one
away this season and then what comes what comes after
after the next weekend, it could be an incredible run
for three different teams.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Crazy you're in charge of the goalkeeping coach, save a
lot a lot of time with Alex Paulson and hopefully
he's gotten rid of what happened. I think it was
yesterday a year ago anyway with the Phoenix. But what
he's done now, the way he's managed to leave that,
dismiss that break, his rear vision mirrors off and then
carry on his form this year has been astonishing. What
(09:46):
do you put that down to, not only within himself,
but with what your contributed, because you have a part
of this Jovian.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, I think I think there's always been a really
solid relationship with Alex and I very open in the
last three or four years. I obviously worked with him
at the Phoenix when he was coming through there, But
ultimately it comes from and within himself. You know, we
you know, on a daily basis, we have to do
technical work, we have to make sure that he's ready,
(10:13):
we prepared for the strikers he's coming up against. But
you can't work people and you can't coach people with
unless they've got that open inner drive. And APIs has
been exceptional and that one of the first things that
he mentioned when he came. He said, Look, he said,
last year, I didn't win anything. We had a really
(10:34):
good season, but I've got this year. I want to
win something. And there we've had little gentle reminders all
through the season about really what this year was about.
He set himself a target of more clean sheets than
he had last year. I think the one just gone
made it thirteen. I think that beat him up beat
his last year total or equaled it. So now we're
going to set us all right, can you go again
(10:54):
with the clean sheets? If he keeps two more clean sheets,
it'll be a phenomenal, phenomenal record. But they're things that
he set himself and he wants to win, and he's
shown that in the way he's performed. And we've got
two big, big games to go.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
He pulled out a couple of snorters last week, which
is good. But of course he can keep like you
wouldn't believe. He's a magician, But without the mean in
front of him, it kind of becomes pointless. That relationship enormous.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah, we talked about that a lot as a goalkeeping
group about relationships, about you know, the information that he's
got to give to us two center backs, his relationship
with his right back when the balls coming down our
right hand side, and even with his six and how communication.
You know, you consider yourself doing a good job really
if you haven't had much to do in a game,
(11:42):
because that means part of what you do, which is
provide sort of tactical information as someone who can see
the whole pitch, if you've done that job, then you've
got less to do. And I think that's a maturity
thing as well, and that's something you know, different from
last year. You know that he clearly had a lot
to do at the Phoenix in moments and we were
(12:03):
a different setup and he's had really big to make
forests this year.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Football Now. It became huge game, a massive game. Can
the Auckland Football Club overcome the threats of victory? They
have got a nose in front, they've got one foot
in the door. What's a funny old game though, it
doesn't take much to turn the table strong as you
come this year, clean sheet after clean sheet from Alex Paulson,
(00:35):
a man pastly responsible for that as Jonathan Gold. He's
the goalkeeping at coach and he's a good man, I've
got to say. He joins us now to talk about preparations,
talk about fear, to talk about Alex.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Paulson, to talk about football.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Good evening, Jonathan. I'm doing very well. More's the point.
What are you guys? How are you doing? How are
you carrying this? This is getting more and more intense,
surely with every passing day.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
It was intense the smalling when we were watching Ange
win it for top.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
No, I know that much.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And I think when you watch those moments and having
had the one where we took the plate out, you
kind of dream of the next one and you understand
what those guys are going through having you know, you
go through so much as a as an athlete and
as a coach.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Winning is everything.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You've got to compartmentalize, though, don't you. I'd suggest, I
don't know what your theories are around that's how much
of last week's going the first league do you guys
carry into League two.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I think you carry a lot of it, given how
how we sort of operated on the night. You know,
the performance that the lads gave in. You know, the
effort that went into the the game, into the preparation,
into the ninety three, four or five minutes that we played.
You know, even the emotion I think of it in
the inside of the post twice where a second goal
(01:57):
makes it, you know, us a real bit of daylight.
So you go through all those emotions after the game,
and then you know, Steve's analyzed them with the players
over the last couple days. But I think it's more
of the same. It's the it's you've got to go
with the same attitude. You've also got to go with
an attitude that you're you're not just holding on to
one goal. You've got the ability to go and extend
(02:18):
that and that I think there's got to be ours.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I've you know, I've.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Played in a Championship promotion game when brad when I
was at Bradford and we got beat by Blackpool two
nil in the in the first leg at home, and
then Blackpool had ordered the coaches for Wembley. They were
singing and dancing and and you know, two nil. We
turned it round three too. So you know, there's there's
(02:42):
there's always a moment in the game that it could
swing on. And and I think, you know, like one
nil up and you you're going to I personally believe
that you defend harder than you are you do when
you're two nil up.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You're not going to park a bus though, are you.
You're going to go on a similar thought process. You're
going to play the game you play.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, you know, And like I said, Steve, Steve spoke
to this one, and we've looked at the way that
we've we've been able to unhinge them at times away
from home. You know that their attitude will have to
be they've got to come and open the game up
very very quickly, and that kind of should help us
(03:20):
on the current attack. And what we spoke to about
today was really about how more effective we can be
on the counter attack.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You can't predict what they're going to do, though, can you,
because that just opens up all sorts of cans of worms.
So you've got to understand where they might be coming from.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
That.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
You can't put that on them too much, am I right?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
No? But you can predict that They've got to be
positive and when you play positive football, you also leave space.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And that's what we have to try and exploit.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Who becomes the most important in that exploitation role.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Of the person that wins that trat first transition, the
player that can get that first pass off, and then
and then when we can pick that pass that you
know that we've got the pace up front to actually
hurt the oppositions. So there, you know, there's three or
four moments really and it's and it all starts from
our structure behind the ball.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
How do you address the maybe nerves, the good news,
the anticipatory nerves, all the bad news Because I'm doing
this job, Faro long Jonathan been talking to athletes and
some just go, it's a fresh game, it's new, I'm
doing this and I'm excited. I'm going to carry that
excitement and other players are like, I'm freaking out, but
that actually propels me. Is there a general group attitude
(04:36):
or the individuals do their own thing? How does that
actually work in the build up? I'm sure it's very personal.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, I think it is personal.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I remember Alex saying to me a couple of weeks
ago before a game, I'm nervous, and I said to him, says,
that's a good thing. Says that means you've you've got
an edge about you, other nerves like players can show
in different ways.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
But I think you know, our probably job.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
As a coaching group is to keep keep that intensity
away until it's really needed on the day. I think
you go through the week where there's too much of that,
I think that can then overspill. The adrenaline over spills,
and it can sometimes go the other way.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So it's really important.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
That that we've kept training.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Very purposeful, but not overt the intent.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You don't want to be over stimulated, do you, and
leave it all on the training pack. It's not when
you want to win the game.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That talk about the shadow of loss, it's quite fascinating
to me. Maybe I'm a very negative human or not,
but you're not gonna when every tournament you play, you're
not gonna win every game you go into. Do you
guys talk much about like leaning into the concept of loss.
Has it got a place or not?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
No, I don't think it gets talked about. But I'd
be lying if I said you don't think about those moments.
And again I could only speak from personal experience. When
I was coaching at Middlesbrough and we were in the
semi final to get to Wembley to get into the
Premier League, and we were playing Aston Villa and we
you know, we'd lost the first game, I think one
(06:09):
neil and so we had to be very very positive.
Got picked off by a very good vility and you
walk off the field, you walk into the dressing room,
the manager will say is peace, and then you're gone
For the next six weeks. You don't really speak to
anybody because that's the end of the season. And that's
the very finite thing about playoff football, and that's I
suppose that's kind of that's what you clearly don't want
(06:33):
to happen, but that's how it does happen, very very
very quickly. On the other side of it is if
you come out and you've won the game at the weekend,
you've got an incredible build up then to a Grand
Final and that's again, that's that's about further, that's about supporters,
and that's about excitement as to what's on the other
side of a potential victory there, which would be quite
(06:53):
an historic occasion in football, for football in this country.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Jonathan Gord, When you lift a line for that six
seven weeks? Does it drissed much by by? I'm sure
that psychology within the team is huge now sport. But
then lish to just I suppose sit there and steam
not helpful? What do you guys do in that space?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Well, that depends which way it goes, didn't it.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well, yeah, no, when you're sitting in there going, oh
my god, we got knocked out, and the coach balls
you out and walks out the door, and you go,
what I'm gonna do now?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Yeah, well, you just you kind of accept it in
that moment.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I think you probably shouldew on it.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yeah, And then I suppose it's when you walk back
back in the door at the at the start of
the next season. It's it's where your focus is and
what you want to achieve, and you know You've got
to remember, I think you know in this league how
many teams.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
We've got twelve thirteen teams.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Every team starts a season thinking that it will win
the Grand Final. All the supporters thing that way. So
you know, that's how we have to think. And our
challenge will probably be be next year as much as
it is this year, because the second seasons is always
the hardest and that's their one theft. That's something that
I've already spoken about is how we're gonna make sure
(08:08):
that the targets are there, that the desire is there
from us first of all as coaches, and then make
sure that translates to the players.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
How much delaying on Dan Hall, it's quite a damn
hand at winning everything, isn't he? I mean after last year,
I think he picked up three boxes of chocolate, so
a couple of the year before that. How instrument was
his experience within.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
This Well again, if you go go to his character
and his personality, he's one of those guys that trains
plays very very intensely in his moments. But it's also
this laid back is not the right word, but he's
got a character that everybody bounces off. He's fantastic to
have around, and he's been kind of the epitome of
what we've we've probably achieved thus far in the season.
(08:51):
And and like you say, his experience, it's been invaluable.
And you if you look at his last five or
six I don't know how many it is. He and
I sat down the other day, so how many of
you were now on the bouks and it must be
it must be around five or six secutive trophies that
have been on offer other than the FA Cup FFA
Cup this year because we couldn't play in it anyway.
(09:12):
But if you think won the trouble, he's taken one
away this season and then what comes what comes after
after the next weekend, it could be an incredible run
for three different teams.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Crazy you're in charge of the goalkeeping coach, save a
lot a lot of time with Alex Paulson and hopefully
he's gotten rid of what happened. I think it was
yesterday a year ago anyway with the Phoenix. But what
he's done now, the way he's managed to leave that,
dismiss that break, his rear vision mirrors off and then
carry on his form this year has been astonishing. What
(09:46):
do you put that down to, not only within himself,
but with what your contributed, because you have a part
of this Jovian.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, I think I think there's always been a really
solid relationship with Alex and I very open in the
last three or four years. I obviously worked with him
at the Phoenix when he was coming through there, But
ultimately it comes from and within himself. You know, we
you know, on a daily basis, we have to do
technical work, we have to make sure that he's ready,
(10:13):
we prepared for the strikers he's coming up against. But
you can't work people and you can't coach people with
unless they've got that open inner drive. And APIs has
been exceptional and that one of the first things that
he mentioned when he came. He said, Look, he said,
last year, I didn't win anything. We had a really
(10:34):
good season, but I've got this year. I want to
win something. And there we've had little gentle reminders all
through the season about really what this year was about.
He set himself a target of more clean sheets than
he had last year. I think the one just gone
made it thirteen. I think that beat him up beat
his last year total or equaled it. So now we're
going to set us all right, can you go again
(10:54):
with the clean sheets? If he keeps two more clean sheets,
it'll be a phenomenal, phenomenal record. But they're things that
he set himself and he wants to win, and he's
shown that in the way he's performed. And we've got
two big, big games to go.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
He pulled out a couple of snorters last week, which
is good. But of course he can keep like you
wouldn't believe. He's a magician, But without the mean in
front of him, it kind of becomes pointless. That relationship enormous.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah, we talked about that a lot as a goalkeeping
group about relationships, about you know, the information that he's
got to give to us two center backs, his relationship
with his right back when the balls coming down our
right hand side, and even with his six and how communication.
You know, you consider yourself doing a good job really
if you haven't had much to do in a game,
(11:42):
because that means part of what you do, which is
provide sort of tactical information as someone who can see
the whole pitch, if you've done that job, then you've
got less to do. And I think that's a maturity
thing as well, and that's something you know, different from
last year. You know that he clearly had a lot
to do at the Phoenix in moments and we were
(12:03):
a different setup and he's had really big to make
forests this year.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
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