October 15, 2024 • 9 mins
Former New Zealand Test Captain Ken Rutherford joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to preview the first test against India.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It'd be We'll join now in Sports Talker by former
news inlander cricket the Skipper Ken Rutherford. Looking towards the
three Test series in India doesn't come much more difficult
than this, now, does it. Kenneth taking on the Indians
in their own backyard. What a time to be alive.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
No, it's going to be. It's going to be absolutely
great viewing, isn't it. It's looking near the last five
to seven years to ARSI have been probably the standard
bearer of Test match cricket teams around the world, along
with Australia of course. And look, I don't think there's
a tougher assignment. They're playing India in India and that
probably goes back thirty forty years. Some great tales actually,
(00:51):
Darcy of the nineteen seventy six tour of India and Pakistan.
I think they're us those guys JOm O Ennis and
the Boys and Mark Burgess and Jeff Howarth and et cetera,
et cetera, and some of those tales in those days.
It's all changed now. They got fancy hotels. And things
like that, and don't bother too much with issues around
the water and the food. It's all pretty consumable these days.
But the challenge of actually going out there on that
(01:13):
twenty two yard roll strip of clay were devoid of
any grass. Really, that challenge is still the same. It's
probably unique to will cricket.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I can't work out for the life of me who
they pack. There've been adjustments and changes. We've got no Williamson.
I've just heard as well that Duffy is coming in
for seas. Not that I believe they would have played anyway,
But look at that side.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
How do you piece that side together with the batting
and the spinning and the seam bowling. And does salth
even make it so much?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
The look at king, Yeah there is, and look at
your viewpoint and our listener's viewpoints are probably as miritor.
Quite frankly, I'm not sure I could add too much
to it, other than to say, I guess there's a selector.
You've got to look at certain parameters. And one of
the parameters I might look at and place more important
than others is the fact that certain players have played
(02:11):
recently and others haven't. So when you're looking at someone
like a Will Young or a Mark Chapman, you might
look and see what their recent forms like, and it's
probably pretty similar in that they haven't been playing a
lot of crickets. So it's probably a bit of a
toss of the coin there. But you'd like to think
that Will Young will get a chance. He's been of
an unlucky in his career, really, Darcy. He's probably a
guy who you know, when there's a brilliant catch in
(02:34):
the outfielder tends to be him who's hit the ball
to the fielder. He hasn't add all the luck in
the world. Chapman probably a better player of spin bowling,
maybe a better chance in the middle or to get
a few against the spinners. But I'll probably still go
with Young. And then you've got these whole other, wide
and vary permutations about what happens sort of from five, six, seven,
eight in the order. Do you play a guy like
(02:56):
Michael Brace or that Rivender will play He'll probably better
around the four and five mark. Then Phillips will play.
Do you keep with Santana? I would have a view
on that. I can share that with you. Shortly do
you play Salvi At least Timseli has been playing but
a cricket albeit he looks at the below parn and
not really the Saldy maybe two or three years ago.
I'd agree with that. I think Henry has to play,
(03:17):
so he'll clearly partner O'Rourke. Obviously Pateao will play just
that whole mix, that whole, the whole, the whole varied
mix and the permutations what the selectors go for. Boy.
I think it's easy to find thirteen players to play,
but to get it down to your final eleven is
going to be tough.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Difficult with the semas. We just touched on that with Suvie.
If you run Henry, he's been the best performed seam
bowler of the last few years and it's been desperately unlucky.
Not about a punch his nose through the likes of
Bolton Salvie, ye'd expect to be there. O'Rourke's being the
fine so far. Is there even room for a third
seema when you consider it, maybe Mitchell might be able
(03:54):
to take up the attack there because saud Well, I
don't want to compare him directly to Mitchell. When it
comes to pace and the ability to side through a
batting attack. But he's not been great. He's on the
way out of.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah. Look look I'm not going to make any any
wide spinning comment like you might have about Seali. I
think he deserves to sort of go out in his
own time. And look who knows when when we're playing
England in December at home on those green wickets we
know which he enjoys at the base reserve and Hagley
and Seddon Park, TI might come back to a bit
(04:29):
of form. The one thing that also be kind of
sob Darcy is a little bit lower order batting. So
if you've got a Saldi playing with Henry O'Rourke and
Ajs pateowl, that means your tale really is starting from
about eight in the order. And we see in India
often over and over again the importance of lower order run.
So I remember playing a Test match actually had to
(04:50):
Venue in ninety eighty eight where Danny Morrison believe we're
not on a partnership, which really won us a Test
match with Andrew James. James he played out of his
skin and got about eighty one and the second us
set us up to win that game and lower order
runs in those conditions, even it's just getting a twenty
off about you know, fifty or sixty balls and then
putting on a partnership with a better player, those runs
(05:11):
can be very, very vital. I don't think they'll play
three specialist seemas. I think they will keep with Mitchell Sander.
They like Mitchell he does. They have that sort of
balance and provide a bit of betting and all around
skill in the side. But as the permutations are many
and varied, and good luck working it out.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Ken Rutherford, forming Zealand's test skipper, joins us because of
course if you and are like had a go at
Tim Saldy, it'll be all over the newspapers. So I
think you've been very very wise by not saying anything.
It doesn't matter what I say. I'm just the sports broadcast. Look,
I think we all wish the best for Tim Sowby,
but he's just been he's just been on the on
(05:54):
the Wayne, I suppose look to get away from him.
Phillips has probably been the outstanding player along with O'Rourke
so far. What do we get from the South The
Sri Lankan leg of this to if anything, how do
they develop from there? What do they pick up, what
do they leave behind?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Well, i've heard some comments from Tom Latham instead and
me sure you heard seem Well speak on radio as well,
and they're all preaching them the same home book in
terms of their lastenings bath havings we had in Sri
Lanka where we seem again a few of the guys
got a few runs. Look, it was a losing situation.
There wasn't really a lot of pressure on the fellows,
so I wouldn't overestimate the value of that particular betting performance.
(06:34):
But at least they have on this, they have had
the son on their backs and they've played in those
conditions which are fairly similar to what they're going to
be confronted with at Bengaluru. So that'll be the major thing. Look,
I agree with you about Phillips. He's a guy who, boy,
he's impressive bats well enough. I think even he would
(06:55):
admit there's a few more bats to come out of
his willow and in the next few months hopefully than
have been the case recently. But as Bowling surprised me,
and there were various times during the Schlank and serious
Darcy where Phillips is our best on show in terms
of bowling. And yeah, he's really a part time, isn't he?
(07:16):
As bony warriors me a little bit. And he's quite
wide in the crease and that might take the lbwl
the equation, but he turns the ball, he's quite tidy.
He can bill quite defensively, or he can give a
real ripping ball quite nicely with some feels around the bats.
So he's all of a sudden, quite quickly become a
very key player for us.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
And I don't think he pays any attention to the
concept of being a second stringer or a part time
I just don't think that enters his headspace. And that
kind of attitude with any sportsman, especially with a cricketer,
that's gold dust, it really is. You can't tell him
me ain't any good. He just goes out and said,
watch this, hold my beer.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
And we're going to need that in spades in the
next three or four weeks. I mean three back to
back test mess in India doesn't get much tougher than that,
and we're going to need that. But a grip determination,
that kind of feistiness, I guess is the best expression
to use about about Philips. So I think too often
we've seen our teams over there kind of cower in
(08:13):
the face of the challenge. We can't have that against
this Indian side, who we know are very very good.
Just look at the side. I mean, I was trying
to work out who they're going to leave out in India.
I mean, they've got boom Ra, They've got Saraj, they've
got this guy Deep who's young, quick ball who's come
through rather quickly. And then they've got all the spinners
Juddy jar Ashwyn and cold Deep in all their batsment
(08:35):
they've got world class well, superstars is probably not a stretch.
You know half their team is. They are a superstars.
So it's a heck of a challenge touring India. In
the past you might have had two or three absolute geniuses,
like a ten Dolca, Gangulia Drava, but the whole eleven
you could pick a few holes. It's very very hard
(08:56):
to pick a hole. Too many holes in this Indian side.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
One hole I'll pick for you, Ken, rather than the
next runs for joining us. How good they are, they
still can't win a World Test Championship.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Sorry, no, they haven't. They've been a bit. They've been
close on a couple of occasions. And look that's sing
as to be reading some of the articles emanating from India,
the placing a lot of importance. Obviously, you've got them
gamb as a new coach and he's come in and
you'll want to make a mark and you'll try and
raise raise the bar in terms of the trophy in particular.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And on that we'll let you go. I enjoy the
late nights keen. Rather than thanks as always for joining us,
we'll be ringing you a lot over the next few
months as the summer of cricket cranks up. Thanks for
your time, pal.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Cheers dat.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It'd be We'll join now in Sports Talker by former
news inlander cricket the Skipper Ken Rutherford. Looking towards the
three Test series in India doesn't come much more difficult
than this, now, does it. Kenneth taking on the Indians
in their own backyard. What a time to be alive.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
No, it's going to be. It's going to be absolutely
great viewing, isn't it. It's looking near the last five
to seven years to ARSI have been probably the standard
bearer of Test match cricket teams around the world, along
with Australia of course. And look, I don't think there's
a tougher assignment. They're playing India in India and that
probably goes back thirty forty years. Some great tales actually,
(00:51):
Darcy of the nineteen seventy six tour of India and Pakistan.
I think they're us those guys JOm O Ennis and
the Boys and Mark Burgess and Jeff Howarth and et cetera,
et cetera, and some of those tales in those days.
It's all changed now. They got fancy hotels. And things
like that, and don't bother too much with issues around
the water and the food. It's all pretty consumable these days.
But the challenge of actually going out there on that
(01:13):
twenty two yard roll strip of clay were devoid of
any grass. Really, that challenge is still the same. It's
probably unique to will cricket.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I can't work out for the life of me who
they pack. There've been adjustments and changes. We've got no Williamson.
I've just heard as well that Duffy is coming in
for seas. Not that I believe they would have played anyway,
But look at that side.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
How do you piece that side together with the batting
and the spinning and the seam bowling. And does salth
even make it so much?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
The look at king, Yeah there is, and look at
your viewpoint and our listener's viewpoints are probably as miritor.
Quite frankly, I'm not sure I could add too much
to it, other than to say, I guess there's a selector.
You've got to look at certain parameters. And one of
the parameters I might look at and place more important
than others is the fact that certain players have played
(02:11):
recently and others haven't. So when you're looking at someone
like a Will Young or a Mark Chapman, you might
look and see what their recent forms like, and it's
probably pretty similar in that they haven't been playing a
lot of crickets. So it's probably a bit of a
toss of the coin there. But you'd like to think
that Will Young will get a chance. He's been of
an unlucky in his career, really, Darcy. He's probably a
guy who you know, when there's a brilliant catch in
(02:34):
the outfielder tends to be him who's hit the ball
to the fielder. He hasn't add all the luck in
the world. Chapman probably a better player of spin bowling,
maybe a better chance in the middle or to get
a few against the spinners. But I'll probably still go
with Young. And then you've got these whole other, wide
and vary permutations about what happens sort of from five, six, seven,
eight in the order. Do you play a guy like
(02:56):
Michael Brace or that Rivender will play He'll probably better
around the four and five mark. Then Phillips will play.
Do you keep with Santana? I would have a view
on that. I can share that with you. Shortly do
you play Salvi At least Timseli has been playing but
a cricket albeit he looks at the below parn and
not really the Saldy maybe two or three years ago.
I'd agree with that. I think Henry has to play,
(03:17):
so he'll clearly partner O'Rourke. Obviously Pateao will play just
that whole mix, that whole, the whole, the whole varied
mix and the permutations what the selectors go for. Boy.
I think it's easy to find thirteen players to play,
but to get it down to your final eleven is
going to be tough.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Difficult with the semas. We just touched on that with Suvie.
If you run Henry, he's been the best performed seam
bowler of the last few years and it's been desperately unlucky.
Not about a punch his nose through the likes of
Bolton Salvie, ye'd expect to be there. O'Rourke's being the
fine so far. Is there even room for a third
seema when you consider it, maybe Mitchell might be able
(03:54):
to take up the attack there because saud Well, I
don't want to compare him directly to Mitchell. When it
comes to pace and the ability to side through a
batting attack. But he's not been great. He's on the
way out of.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah. Look look I'm not going to make any any
wide spinning comment like you might have about Seali. I
think he deserves to sort of go out in his
own time. And look who knows when when we're playing
England in December at home on those green wickets we
know which he enjoys at the base reserve and Hagley
and Seddon Park, TI might come back to a bit
(04:29):
of form. The one thing that also be kind of
sob Darcy is a little bit lower order batting. So
if you've got a Saldi playing with Henry O'Rourke and
Ajs pateowl, that means your tale really is starting from
about eight in the order. And we see in India
often over and over again the importance of lower order run.
So I remember playing a Test match actually had to
(04:50):
Venue in ninety eighty eight where Danny Morrison believe we're
not on a partnership, which really won us a Test
match with Andrew James. James he played out of his
skin and got about eighty one and the second us
set us up to win that game and lower order
runs in those conditions, even it's just getting a twenty
off about you know, fifty or sixty balls and then
putting on a partnership with a better player, those runs
(05:11):
can be very, very vital. I don't think they'll play
three specialist seemas. I think they will keep with Mitchell Sander.
They like Mitchell he does. They have that sort of
balance and provide a bit of betting and all around
skill in the side. But as the permutations are many
and varied, and good luck working it out.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Ken Rutherford, forming Zealand's test skipper, joins us because of
course if you and are like had a go at
Tim Saldy, it'll be all over the newspapers. So I
think you've been very very wise by not saying anything.
It doesn't matter what I say. I'm just the sports broadcast. Look,
I think we all wish the best for Tim Sowby,
but he's just been he's just been on the on
(05:54):
the Wayne, I suppose look to get away from him.
Phillips has probably been the outstanding player along with O'Rourke
so far. What do we get from the South The
Sri Lankan leg of this to if anything, how do
they develop from there? What do they pick up, what
do they leave behind?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Well, i've heard some comments from Tom Latham instead and
me sure you heard seem Well speak on radio as well,
and they're all preaching them the same home book in
terms of their lastenings bath havings we had in Sri
Lanka where we seem again a few of the guys
got a few runs. Look, it was a losing situation.
There wasn't really a lot of pressure on the fellows,
so I wouldn't overestimate the value of that particular betting performance.
(06:34):
But at least they have on this, they have had
the son on their backs and they've played in those
conditions which are fairly similar to what they're going to
be confronted with at Bengaluru. So that'll be the major thing. Look,
I agree with you about Phillips. He's a guy who, boy,
he's impressive bats well enough. I think even he would
(06:55):
admit there's a few more bats to come out of
his willow and in the next few months hopefully than
have been the case recently. But as Bowling surprised me,
and there were various times during the Schlank and serious
Darcy where Phillips is our best on show in terms
of bowling. And yeah, he's really a part time, isn't he?
(07:16):
As bony warriors me a little bit. And he's quite
wide in the crease and that might take the lbwl
the equation, but he turns the ball, he's quite tidy.
He can bill quite defensively, or he can give a
real ripping ball quite nicely with some feels around the bats.
So he's all of a sudden, quite quickly become a
very key player for us.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
And I don't think he pays any attention to the
concept of being a second stringer or a part time
I just don't think that enters his headspace. And that
kind of attitude with any sportsman, especially with a cricketer,
that's gold dust, it really is. You can't tell him
me ain't any good. He just goes out and said,
watch this, hold my beer.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
And we're going to need that in spades in the
next three or four weeks. I mean three back to
back test mess in India doesn't get much tougher than that,
and we're going to need that. But a grip determination,
that kind of feistiness, I guess is the best expression
to use about about Philips. So I think too often
we've seen our teams over there kind of cower in
(08:13):
the face of the challenge. We can't have that against
this Indian side, who we know are very very good.
Just look at the side. I mean, I was trying
to work out who they're going to leave out in India.
I mean, they've got boom Ra, They've got Saraj, they've
got this guy Deep who's young, quick ball who's come
through rather quickly. And then they've got all the spinners
Juddy jar Ashwyn and cold Deep in all their batsment
(08:35):
they've got world class well, superstars is probably not a stretch.
You know half their team is. They are a superstars.
So it's a heck of a challenge touring India. In
the past you might have had two or three absolute geniuses,
like a ten Dolca, Gangulia Drava, but the whole eleven
you could pick a few holes. It's very very hard
(08:56):
to pick a hole. Too many holes in this Indian side.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
One hole I'll pick for you, Ken, rather than the
next runs for joining us. How good they are, they
still can't win a World Test Championship.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Sorry, no, they haven't. They've been a bit. They've been
close on a couple of occasions. And look that's sing
as to be reading some of the articles emanating from India,
the placing a lot of importance. Obviously, you've got them
gamb as a new coach and he's come in and
you'll want to make a mark and you'll try and
raise raise the bar in terms of the trophy in particular.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And on that we'll let you go. I enjoy the
late nights keen. Rather than thanks as always for joining us,
we'll be ringing you a lot over the next few
months as the summer of cricket cranks up. Thanks for
your time, pal.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Cheers dat.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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