September 25, 2024 • 8 mins
One expert says Razor will be looking to make some substitutions ahead of the next high-profile All Blacks clash.
Speculation indicates Beauden Barrett will take up the No 10 jersey, replacing Damian McKenzie.
NZ Herald sports writer Liam Napier joined D'Arcy to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News talks'd Be.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It is eleven minutes after seven. Napier joins us now
rugby writer for the Herold among other sports as well,
but specializes in rugby union down in Wellington at the
moment sniffing around the place trying to work out what's
going on, and he's got with of a lead around
Bowden Barrett possibly probably maybe, I don't know, being named
(00:35):
at number ten tomorrow when Scott Robinson names his team
for the second at Bledisloe Cup match, the final home
game as well, Limb welcome to the program. It's a
pretty interesting leave you've got there.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Who do you know, evening dars Well, Yeah, a few
spies out in Wellington. You never know these things for
sure until they land officially, but that's certainly the whispers,
the word on the street and Wellington that Boden Barrett
will be projected in to start at ten. Of course,
Scott Robinson has and trusted Damian McKenzie in all eight
(01:13):
tests this year, but with the Northern Tour looming with
the last Test at home this season, it seems that
there is going to be a change and Boden will
probably be thrust into the hot seat ironically for the
first time since November twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
That's quite a distance, but in Boden we trust. Look
at the decision here from Scott Robinson's point of view,
should it go ahead, this is hey, we've given you
eight chances, you or my man, I've given you plenty
of opportunity that you haven't really given me back after
all the trust I've put in you. I'm sorry, I'm
moving on. This is a sensible decision on behalf of
(01:50):
Scott Robertson. It's not really reactive when you consider that
it's been eight test matches yet.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
No, it's not shocking as it does. And I don't
know if I would frame it up as moving on,
but you need to have options at number ten. And
because it's been so long with Boden, he needs some
time in that hot seats to, you know, get to
grips with everything that Test Rugby demands of a back
line director. And like you say, Damien has been given
(02:19):
a lot of rope and hasn't fully repaid that trust.
He's been good in patches, He's a brilliant attacking prospect.
You know, there's chips and chases, there's magic moments, but
from a game management point of view, that's the big
lingering question. The All Blacks haven't scored points in the
last quarter of their last five Test matches, and that's
(02:41):
not on Damien alone, but I think they had something
like thirty eight percent territory in the second half against
the Wallabies in Sydney, and that responsibility does fall on
your game drivers to put the team in the right
areas of the park. And you know, there were a
few moments that he botched in Sydney, some big, you know,
highlight moments, that the audacious flickball that blew a try
(03:04):
in another couple of moments. So I don't know if
it's a case of paying the price. This may have
been the plan all along, but it is time to
look at an alternative option. And I think there's uncertainty
about who the best tests ten for the All Blacks is.
And of course there's rich and Muanga in the background
(03:25):
potentially coming home next year.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well, boden Bart's not going to be run too the
next World Cup, or.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Is he he is? He's signed with his Zella Rugby
through to twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
He signed, but will he be still viable at that stage?
I luck he's fit as they come, is he not?
So would he still be in a position to actually
take that role?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Well, I think if you asked him, Darcid say one
hundred percent. He's committed, he's very driven, He's in reasonable
shape by all accounts, still another couple of years to
get through from a fitness perspective, but he's not in
a high attritional position. He's not playing open side flanka
prop in the forward pack. So I think there's every
(04:07):
reason that he can and potentially will go through that
World Cup. But whether he's a starting prospect at ten
or all fifteen is that there's a lot of water
to go under the bridge. We've seen him earlier this
year play almost go back to the future and play
that off the bench game changer at Eden Park. He
basically single handedly won the test for the All Black
sad at Eden Park. So I think that role is
(04:29):
very much a live option for Boden as well.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
So it all just kind of moves around a place.
You see Boden Barrett coming in at ten, Will Jordan
coming in at fallback, and then Damie McKenzie probably in
his best position coming in off the bench. Is that
the general consensus.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
That looks to be the read on it for this week,
But like you say, it's a bit of a moving
chess board. I think Scott Robertson is still very much
working out his best team at this point. Even a
guy like Sam Kaine, who will play his one hundredth
tests this weekend, if you cast a head to the
end of the year, he's moving on. So who is
(05:09):
the long term open side flanker, who is the best
Test ten? You've got Cam rouyguard at half back coming
back from injury, so there's a number of different moving
parts here and he certainly hasn't settled on his best team.
Will Jordan last week only started at fullback because Boden
was sick. He got the call up sorry, switched from
(05:29):
the wing to fallback a matter of hours before that
test in Sydney and played his best Test since having
shoulder surgery. So it is very much a case of
you're given opportunities. If you take them, then you're in
the box seat. So this is a big chance for
Boden if he does get the start, and Wellington is
(05:50):
former home of course he's moved to the Blues, but
he's played a lot of rugby and Wellington. He will
know the conditions well and as you mentioned at the top,
Bill Blacks need a victory and need a performance, an
eighty minute performance that they haven't put out this year.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
We're joined by Liam Napier of Weddington ahead of the
naming for a team of the second of Blidsow Cup
match in Willington over the weekend. No Jordi Barrett's who
slides in there?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
You suspect it will be Anton Lena Brown because he's
been next cab off the rank from a bench perspective.
He started, He's had one start this year at center
and played very well, albeit against Fiji. He's very versatile,
so you'd think that he will slot in there, But
there is David Villy and with Scott Robertson there is
(06:38):
a bit of a Crusader's bias there. You look at
this week he's called in Schaffee Hackey, the Canterbury and
Crusaders wing fullback as injury cover and that surprised a
lot of people. You've got Sean Stevenson and a number
of other fullbacks wings around the country playing the house
down in Shaffee Hacky would have been well done. The
list of other people so you never know. It could
(07:02):
be David Hivily, but odds on that Anton Lena Brown
will slowe and second five probably to partner Rico Owani
and a big chance for whever that gets that gig
because Jeordie's going to be out for four to potentially
six weeks. Random to him in an Upper Heart this week,
and he said he was targeting the Japan game. But
(07:22):
I suspect the or Blacks will be very cautious with
him because he is a bit irreplaceable the mean.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Streets of Upper Heart day you evern know who you
might run into. Hey, one last thing, Lemon, thanks so
much for your time. You want to rolland ice any
other call ups or decisions that you think might turn
up that might be a little out of the ordinary.
I suppose I'm looking towards Billy Propton might get a
chance off the bench. Do they change anything in that
loose Ford trio.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I'd love to see Billy prop to get a crack.
My understanding was he was actually quite sick last week
and actually lost about three kg, So whether he's fully
flipped fits not one hundred percent sure, but another guy
that performed very well against Fiji that we haven't cited.
I suspect you might see Patrick below too. He is back,
(08:09):
returned to fitness, but didn't play last weekend, possibly off
the bench. But I don't think the All Blacks have
scope to be too experimental yet. I would like to
see them be brave and bold and put Wallace to
tzet number eight and really settle on their first choice
loose Ford trio. But given their final quarter meltdowns they
(08:32):
only scored three points after the twenty second, only three
points in the second half last week, they don't feel
like they're in a place where they can be a
bit experimental until they put out that performance that they
can be proud of. So I suspect it will be
largely the team that we've seen in recent weeks, apart
from the changes that we've discussed.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks.
They'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News talks'd Be.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It is eleven minutes after seven. Napier joins us now
rugby writer for the Herold among other sports as well,
but specializes in rugby union down in Wellington at the
moment sniffing around the place trying to work out what's
going on, and he's got with of a lead around
Bowden Barrett possibly probably maybe, I don't know, being named
(00:35):
at number ten tomorrow when Scott Robinson names his team
for the second at Bledisloe Cup match, the final home
game as well, Limb welcome to the program. It's a
pretty interesting leave you've got there.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Who do you know, evening dars Well, Yeah, a few
spies out in Wellington. You never know these things for
sure until they land officially, but that's certainly the whispers,
the word on the street and Wellington that Boden Barrett
will be projected in to start at ten. Of course,
Scott Robinson has and trusted Damian McKenzie in all eight
(01:13):
tests this year, but with the Northern Tour looming with
the last Test at home this season, it seems that
there is going to be a change and Boden will
probably be thrust into the hot seat ironically for the
first time since November twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
That's quite a distance, but in Boden we trust. Look
at the decision here from Scott Robinson's point of view,
should it go ahead, this is hey, we've given you
eight chances, you or my man, I've given you plenty
of opportunity that you haven't really given me back after
all the trust I've put in you. I'm sorry, I'm
moving on. This is a sensible decision on behalf of
(01:50):
Scott Robertson. It's not really reactive when you consider that
it's been eight test matches yet.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
No, it's not shocking as it does. And I don't
know if I would frame it up as moving on,
but you need to have options at number ten. And
because it's been so long with Boden, he needs some
time in that hot seats to, you know, get to
grips with everything that Test Rugby demands of a back
line director. And like you say, Damien has been given
(02:19):
a lot of rope and hasn't fully repaid that trust.
He's been good in patches, He's a brilliant attacking prospect.
You know, there's chips and chases, there's magic moments, but
from a game management point of view, that's the big
lingering question. The All Blacks haven't scored points in the
last quarter of their last five Test matches, and that's
(02:41):
not on Damien alone, but I think they had something
like thirty eight percent territory in the second half against
the Wallabies in Sydney, and that responsibility does fall on
your game drivers to put the team in the right
areas of the park. And you know, there were a
few moments that he botched in Sydney, some big, you know,
highlight moments, that the audacious flickball that blew a try
(03:04):
in another couple of moments. So I don't know if
it's a case of paying the price. This may have
been the plan all along, but it is time to
look at an alternative option. And I think there's uncertainty
about who the best tests ten for the All Blacks is.
And of course there's rich and Muanga in the background
(03:25):
potentially coming home next year.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well, boden Bart's not going to be run too the
next World Cup, or.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Is he he is? He's signed with his Zella Rugby
through to twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
He signed, but will he be still viable at that stage?
I luck he's fit as they come, is he not?
So would he still be in a position to actually
take that role?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Well, I think if you asked him, Darcid say one
hundred percent. He's committed, he's very driven, He's in reasonable
shape by all accounts, still another couple of years to
get through from a fitness perspective, but he's not in
a high attritional position. He's not playing open side flanka
prop in the forward pack. So I think there's every
(04:07):
reason that he can and potentially will go through that
World Cup. But whether he's a starting prospect at ten
or all fifteen is that there's a lot of water
to go under the bridge. We've seen him earlier this
year play almost go back to the future and play
that off the bench game changer at Eden Park. He
basically single handedly won the test for the All Black
sad at Eden Park. So I think that role is
(04:29):
very much a live option for Boden as well.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
So it all just kind of moves around a place.
You see Boden Barrett coming in at ten, Will Jordan
coming in at fallback, and then Damie McKenzie probably in
his best position coming in off the bench. Is that
the general consensus.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
That looks to be the read on it for this week,
But like you say, it's a bit of a moving
chess board. I think Scott Robertson is still very much
working out his best team at this point. Even a
guy like Sam Kaine, who will play his one hundredth
tests this weekend, if you cast a head to the
end of the year, he's moving on. So who is
(05:09):
the long term open side flanker, who is the best
Test ten? You've got Cam rouyguard at half back coming
back from injury, so there's a number of different moving
parts here and he certainly hasn't settled on his best team.
Will Jordan last week only started at fullback because Boden
was sick. He got the call up sorry, switched from
(05:29):
the wing to fallback a matter of hours before that
test in Sydney and played his best Test since having
shoulder surgery. So it is very much a case of
you're given opportunities. If you take them, then you're in
the box seat. So this is a big chance for
Boden if he does get the start, and Wellington is
(05:50):
former home of course he's moved to the Blues, but
he's played a lot of rugby and Wellington. He will
know the conditions well and as you mentioned at the top,
Bill Blacks need a victory and need a performance, an
eighty minute performance that they haven't put out this year.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
We're joined by Liam Napier of Weddington ahead of the
naming for a team of the second of Blidsow Cup
match in Willington over the weekend. No Jordi Barrett's who
slides in there?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
You suspect it will be Anton Lena Brown because he's
been next cab off the rank from a bench perspective.
He started, He's had one start this year at center
and played very well, albeit against Fiji. He's very versatile,
so you'd think that he will slot in there, But
there is David Villy and with Scott Robertson there is
(06:38):
a bit of a Crusader's bias there. You look at
this week he's called in Schaffee Hackey, the Canterbury and
Crusaders wing fullback as injury cover and that surprised a
lot of people. You've got Sean Stevenson and a number
of other fullbacks wings around the country playing the house
down in Shaffee Hacky would have been well done. The
list of other people so you never know. It could
(07:02):
be David Hivily, but odds on that Anton Lena Brown
will slowe and second five probably to partner Rico Owani
and a big chance for whever that gets that gig
because Jeordie's going to be out for four to potentially
six weeks. Random to him in an Upper Heart this week,
and he said he was targeting the Japan game. But
(07:22):
I suspect the or Blacks will be very cautious with
him because he is a bit irreplaceable the mean.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Streets of Upper Heart day you evern know who you
might run into. Hey, one last thing, Lemon, thanks so
much for your time. You want to rolland ice any
other call ups or decisions that you think might turn
up that might be a little out of the ordinary.
I suppose I'm looking towards Billy Propton might get a
chance off the bench. Do they change anything in that
loose Ford trio.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I'd love to see Billy prop to get a crack.
My understanding was he was actually quite sick last week
and actually lost about three kg, So whether he's fully
flipped fits not one hundred percent sure, but another guy
that performed very well against Fiji that we haven't cited.
I suspect you might see Patrick below too. He is back,
(08:09):
returned to fitness, but didn't play last weekend, possibly off
the bench. But I don't think the All Blacks have
scope to be too experimental yet. I would like to
see them be brave and bold and put Wallace to
tzet number eight and really settle on their first choice
loose Ford trio. But given their final quarter meltdowns they
(08:32):
only scored three points after the twenty second, only three
points in the second half last week, they don't feel
like they're in a place where they can be a
bit experimental until they put out that performance that they
can be proud of. So I suspect it will be
largely the team that we've seen in recent weeks, apart
from the changes that we've discussed.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks.
They'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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