June 14, 2024 • 14 mins
Former Wallaby Matt Giteau joined D'Arcy Waldegrave for an extended chat on all things rugby and the global game.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Waldergrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Were joined now by over one hundred to cap a
Wallaby and a man who, after ten months, should know better.
He's gone back to playing rugby union again in his
early forties over in San Diego for the Legion. His
name is Matt Gutitou. Matt, Welcome to the program. I
suppose I've got to start off with that you're retired.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
But did you get bordinate mate? I did?
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Thanks thanks for having me on, But yeah, I think
that dad, husband life just was it wasn't doing it
for me. So I'll give it one more crack and
then yeah, fully will retire after this year and get
back into the swing of things. No, I think I
was happily retired. Well I thought I was, and then
(00:55):
you know, I got the opportunity to come over here,
and it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
The whole season.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
I could still do the commitments and different things I
need to do with my family before getting over here.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
So just turned out that, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Thought I was happily retired, but I've really enjoyed getting
back in and mixing with the you know, the team
and just competing again.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It's been really fun.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It must be great playing with for the San Diego
Legian as opposed to having him run over top of it.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, well I only get he only runs over me
on a Tuesday and we've got contact.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Session now, so that's that's the positive.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
But it's good. Yeah, it's good to get back with him.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
And obviously we played together in Toulon, so we've had
like a bit of history playing together o'vio sely a
lot of history.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Playing against each other.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
So it's always good to having him on my side
rather than against him.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Tell us about the state of rugby the United States
of America. It's a market that rugby has been trying
to crack forever. Now you've got a major League of
rugby over there. Is it working, Is it getting traction?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I mean, as far as traction, I'm not too sure.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
You know, in America, you look, you've obviously got the
big sports, the NBA, your NFL, baseball, you know, so
it's hard to compete with those sports.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Well, it's pretty much impossible.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
It's just trying to capture even if you can get
a small percentage of the country that support it, that's
bigger than both Australia and New Zealand combined, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
So I think with them hosting the twenty thirty one.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
World Cup, yeah, I just I feel like it will
grow and the competition and the standard of the competition
has grown massively since the first year when I came
in and played for LA.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
So yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Think attracting bigger players over here and seeing it, it's
definitely got potential to get where Japan is at the moment.
You look at the top league and how successful their
World Cup bid was. I think obviously America first and foremost,
you know, as a nation needs to probably start producing
(02:57):
better results for the national team. But as far as
the actual competition goes, I think when they start to
relax a little bit on the the salary cap and
you're able to bring over those bigger name players that
are more in their prime, you'll just see this competition
grow and grow.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That actually sounds scary if they start to throw greenbacks around,
that could be problematic for World rugby surely, man.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I don't think it would. You know, you've got so
many great competitions throughout the world. Obviously you start throwing
one hundred dollars that could be two hundred thousand and
z dollars, you know the way the conversion rate is
at the moment.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
But yeah, it's good over here.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I think the obviously sevens is an Olympic sports so
they put.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It in a lot of funding into that.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
But if they can start to get successful and see
a clear path where you know, rugby could really make
a presence here, then it would be scary from I
think a competitive point of view because of the amount
of athletes so they've got over here. If they can
just get access to those kids at a younger age,
at the grassroots level, then you'll see rugby over in
(04:02):
the States take off and I think you'll find them
to do it pretty big name, you know in world
rugby if they.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Do start to attract those players at an earlier stage.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Who makes up the fan base? Mac getee is expets
some actual Americans? Are they younger, are they older? Do
you have any idea about who actually puts their eyeballs
on the screen or comes to the game.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well to the game.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
We get a good mixture of obviously young kids.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Family.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
There's a lot of things that go on, activities and
whatever else. Activations that they're doing at the game to
keep people entertained.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
A lot of Americans, a lot of locals.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
You do have the expats as well, they come and
watch the games, but it's a real mixture. And I
think the good thing over here is because they do
sports so well. In the downtimes in rugby, there's always
music going or dance cams and all that type of
stuff that they'll do with the NBA or you know,
American football or whatever it is, that they make it
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more than just about the sports. You could come here,
sure you like your rugby, but there's other activities around
that actually make it, you know, a good event for
the family to get out, and you don't need to
be a diehard rugby fan to actually come and enjoy the.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Games fan centricly. What I was banging on about that
over here, a Matt, let's look too the greater aspect
of the game, the international game and of course the
Wallabies hopefully bouncing back. You've managed, you guys to snare
some pretty sharp names and coaching Schmidt and Krom. What
effect do you think that's going to have on the
(05:33):
national side, and also the effect of not having any
Jones hanging around.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, yeah, I was a bit courtious of not getting
overexcited obviously, Eddie, I thought it was going to be
a great appointment for austraund Rabia and it didn't turn
out that way. But we actually interviewed Joe Schmidt back
in Super Round for the podcast and I just he
was very charismatic. He's funny, he's relatable. I think his
(05:58):
ideas and even what he spoke about how you know,
moving the program forward and different things that he wanted
to focus on. I find it super interesting and super exciting.
So I'm obviously trying to hold it back because we
did get a little.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Bit excited last year. But I think obviously.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
The record that he's got and what he can bring
to Australian rugby could be enormous.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You know, I suppose having a coach or a couple
of coaches of that standing is immense. But you can
only coach as good player as you've got. From what
you've seen just this year with the way Australian teams
have stood up to a degree in Super rugby, other players,
there is the stock there for Schmidt and Kron and
the like to actually deal with.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, I think there is, you know, you even look
at the Super Rugby.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Results, the boys going you know, they're different, the different
clubs that were able to go away and beat New
Zealand teams where previously I remember it could have been
two or three years ago, maybe even two years ago
as soon as that where they were offering at the
tab If an Australian team could get two wins against
the New Zealand team, it was even money.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
So you know, those.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
We're definitely getting improvements.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I think those young kids, you know, are now starting
to get more experience, more time in the saddle, and yeah,
I think we've definitely got the talent here. But also
we've got some great talent overseas as well, so I know,
you know, Joe Schmitt spoke about he wanted to obviously,
you know, get the younger players, the Australian based players,
more experience and give them first preference you know, to
(07:33):
choose from. But we've also got some great players overseas
that if we relax the laws, we could make you know,
the team even more complete.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I believe you've lost the player as well. Gordon's gone
off to the NRL. But you didn't see that one covin.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
No, I didn't at all, I think, like everyone, Yeah,
I mean it's a yeah, it's a sad loss for
AUSTRAI Roby because I feel like he's got so much
to offer. But you know, as far as contracts and whatever,
a player decides to go to wherever he goes, I've
never really questioned that because it's a personal decision. So
you know, obviously he would have weighed up the pros
(08:10):
and cons and he feels like now is the right
time for him to have a crack at rugby league.
You can, you know, I wish you all the best.
Obviously it's hard for a strain rugby. But we've got
some great young tanzi here that I think have really
stood up. So while it would have been great to
keep him in the system, keep them in the pathway
and develop him, I think we've still got some great
tans around as well.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Mattoe joining us former Wallabee also runs the podcast The
Coco Show Kickoffs and kick On. You can download that
and take away and listen to him and his mates
during about the game. Matt you will forever like it
to not be connected with the guitar law. If you will,
the ability to come back after playing overseas and represent
(08:48):
your nation. This is something that is always been discussed
over here in New Zealand. You're thinkings that should relax
their eligibility laws and maybe look to pack overseas players
guys that have based themselves away after a set time.
Is that something you think should.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Happening, you know, from my perspective being that, I think
New Zealand Rugby have so many great players. You see
the legends of the game. Once they move on that
next year you've got a new kid that's ready to
step in and obviously you know, dominate the international scene.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
So you've got so many great players there. I think
it's their only real.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Bargaining player, you know, to play for the All Blacks,
you need to stay in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
So that's any player that leaves.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Obviously there are players overseas that could potentially add to
the All Blacks.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
But I also think, you.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Know, New Zealand Rugby just have so much depth in
their squads and even the younger grassroots players, you know,
like I feel, also, Rugby and New Zealand's totally different
to Australia. In Australia we're competing massively against we're behind
Australian rules rugby league, even football or soccer, you know,
so we're actually, you know, trying to just compete to
(10:05):
get kids playing the sport, whereas in New Zealand it's
a religion.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Everyone loves it. So I think from an.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Actual depth of your squad point of view, I don't
think New Zealand rugby need it.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
But the experience is that you get.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
You even have to ask adisav he's a little stint
that he is in Japan, just getting away from, you know,
the fishball of rugby in Australia and New Zealand and
experiencing life experiences and something culturally totally different.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
There's a lot to be said there for freshening the
players up. So I see.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Allowing the players to go away, but you know, they
obviously can't play for the All Blacks when they're away.
It's probably the way to do it for them, but
just because they've got so much step for us, I
think in Australian rugby we.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Probably do need to relax the law a little bit.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
But it's a hard one because you also want to
keep your players in Australian rugby, say, it is a
tough conversation. But my view on it is, if you've
got the best players, especially in a World Cup year,
why not pick your best players. Why not give yourself
the best shot to be as successful as you can
in the World Cup.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I've got a first five eighth called Richie Mona who
disappeared off to Japan at the end of the last
World Cup. There's been a call to try and get
him back whichever way we can. A little due respect
to Damien McKenzie someone like that returning from Japan to
start playing international rugby a game, do you think we
need Richie more on it and everything he brings?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Oh, I mean, you only need to look at the
rugby season he had over there in Japan and you
know the impact that he had.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
He's a great player. He's a very talented player. And
also you've got to ask.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
The player does he want to come back and play
for the All Blacks again? You know, whether he's happy
overseas and you know he's looking at a different direction
in his life and maybe playing for the All Blacks
isn't the be all and end off for him anymore.
So I'm not saying that's the case, but yeah, he's
a phenomenal player. You know, he can change the momentum
(12:05):
of games just individually on his own. He's yeah, there's
no doubt that he's a special talent. But it's obviously
up to the player if they're doing everything they can
to get him back.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
But he's happy overseas. And you know, you only want players.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I believe you only want players actually want to play
for your country, to be playing for your country, so
you know it's a massive honor to play for your country.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
So yeah, yeah, you've got to look at it that way.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
We'll wrap things up with a prediction on two. Who's
going to pick up Super Rugby the trophy? Super Rugby
Pacific is one Australian team left three New Zealand teams.
Which way is it going to roll? And try and
stick your parochialism out the back of the couch, will you?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:46):
I just better say, mate, what do you want me
to say here? It's one of the stupidest questions I've
ever been asked.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I believe it's got to be the Brumbies. We're going
to do it.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I think, you know, camera boy, Yeah, I just like
the way they're trending. Obviously, the Blues are going to
be a tough, tough ass for them, especially after what
happened the last time they went to Eaton Park. But
they'll be better for that outing. And I think, you know, obviously,
my heart, my head, everything's gone for.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
The Brummis Well.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I did offer, you know, put your parochialis into one side.
But I'm glad finally, after twenty three years, someone's told
me that it's the stupidest question you've ever heard. Thanks
so much of that.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I couldn't go. I couldn't go any other way.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
It wouldn't feel right even if I didn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I just couldn't.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I just could not give New Zealand any more credit
than they deserve, you know, like you're always at the
top of the tree. I've lost so many games to
the All Blacks and to New Zealand Super rugby teams
that I just could never pick them.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And it's finish it. Well, the we chat tell us
about your podcast. So what's it called? Who's on it?
Where can we listen to it?
Speaker 5 (13:51):
So it's called Kickoffs and kick Ons.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
We got a website, Kickoffs and kick Ons dot com,
where you can just get merchandise. Obviously, look at the
shows that we've done. I think we've done twenty shows now,
so it's must off through Mitchell, Adam Acci Cooper and
the prop James Rochford, who anchors it. But it's mainly
(14:15):
if you're after exs and osis is in the pod
for you. We'll break down a little bit, the rugby
bit more. We just talk shitn't I think, just pretty
much bag each other for about an hour.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
That's that's pretty much how the podcast brilliant.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Do us a favor Ask your other panelists what the
stupidest question is We've ever been asked by a radio
host and let's hope by Trump that one as well.
Make it so real pleasure mate, Thanks very much for
your time. Look after yourself.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
You go well, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Were joined now by over one hundred to cap a
Wallaby and a man who, after ten months, should know better.
He's gone back to playing rugby union again in his
early forties over in San Diego for the Legion. His
name is Matt Gutitou. Matt, Welcome to the program. I
suppose I've got to start off with that you're retired.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
But did you get bordinate mate? I did?
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Thanks thanks for having me on, But yeah, I think
that dad, husband life just was it wasn't doing it
for me. So I'll give it one more crack and
then yeah, fully will retire after this year and get
back into the swing of things. No, I think I
was happily retired. Well I thought I was, and then
(00:55):
you know, I got the opportunity to come over here,
and it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
The whole season.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
I could still do the commitments and different things I
need to do with my family before getting over here.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
So just turned out that, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Thought I was happily retired, but I've really enjoyed getting
back in and mixing with the you know, the team
and just competing again.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It's been really fun.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It must be great playing with for the San Diego
Legian as opposed to having him run over top of it.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, well I only get he only runs over me
on a Tuesday and we've got contact.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Session now, so that's that's the positive.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
But it's good. Yeah, it's good to get back with him.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
And obviously we played together in Toulon, so we've had
like a bit of history playing together o'vio sely a
lot of history.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Playing against each other.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
So it's always good to having him on my side
rather than against him.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Tell us about the state of rugby the United States
of America. It's a market that rugby has been trying
to crack forever. Now you've got a major League of
rugby over there. Is it working, Is it getting traction?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I mean, as far as traction, I'm not too sure.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
You know, in America, you look, you've obviously got the
big sports, the NBA, your NFL, baseball, you know, so
it's hard to compete with those sports.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Well, it's pretty much impossible.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
It's just trying to capture even if you can get
a small percentage of the country that support it, that's
bigger than both Australia and New Zealand combined, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
So I think with them hosting the twenty thirty one.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
World Cup, yeah, I just I feel like it will
grow and the competition and the standard of the competition
has grown massively since the first year when I came
in and played for LA.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
So yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Think attracting bigger players over here and seeing it, it's
definitely got potential to get where Japan is at the moment.
You look at the top league and how successful their
World Cup bid was. I think obviously America first and foremost,
you know, as a nation needs to probably start producing
(02:57):
better results for the national team. But as far as
the actual competition goes, I think when they start to
relax a little bit on the the salary cap and
you're able to bring over those bigger name players that
are more in their prime, you'll just see this competition
grow and grow.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That actually sounds scary if they start to throw greenbacks around,
that could be problematic for World rugby surely, man.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I don't think it would. You know, you've got so
many great competitions throughout the world. Obviously you start throwing
one hundred dollars that could be two hundred thousand and
z dollars, you know the way the conversion rate is
at the moment.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
But yeah, it's good over here.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I think the obviously sevens is an Olympic sports so
they put.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It in a lot of funding into that.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
But if they can start to get successful and see
a clear path where you know, rugby could really make
a presence here, then it would be scary from I
think a competitive point of view because of the amount
of athletes so they've got over here. If they can
just get access to those kids at a younger age,
at the grassroots level, then you'll see rugby over in
(04:02):
the States take off and I think you'll find them
to do it pretty big name, you know in world
rugby if they.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Do start to attract those players at an earlier stage.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Who makes up the fan base? Mac getee is expets
some actual Americans? Are they younger, are they older? Do
you have any idea about who actually puts their eyeballs
on the screen or comes to the game.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well to the game.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
We get a good mixture of obviously young kids.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Family.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
There's a lot of things that go on, activities and
whatever else. Activations that they're doing at the game to
keep people entertained.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
A lot of Americans, a lot of locals.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
You do have the expats as well, they come and
watch the games, but it's a real mixture. And I
think the good thing over here is because they do
sports so well. In the downtimes in rugby, there's always
music going or dance cams and all that type of
stuff that they'll do with the NBA or you know,
American football or whatever it is, that they make it
(04:58):
more than just about the sports. You could come here,
sure you like your rugby, but there's other activities around
that actually make it, you know, a good event for
the family to get out, and you don't need to
be a diehard rugby fan to actually come and enjoy the.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Games fan centricly. What I was banging on about that
over here, a Matt, let's look too the greater aspect
of the game, the international game and of course the
Wallabies hopefully bouncing back. You've managed, you guys to snare
some pretty sharp names and coaching Schmidt and Krom. What
effect do you think that's going to have on the
(05:33):
national side, and also the effect of not having any
Jones hanging around.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, yeah, I was a bit courtious of not getting
overexcited obviously, Eddie, I thought it was going to be
a great appointment for austraund Rabia and it didn't turn
out that way. But we actually interviewed Joe Schmidt back
in Super Round for the podcast and I just he
was very charismatic. He's funny, he's relatable. I think his
(05:58):
ideas and even what he spoke about how you know,
moving the program forward and different things that he wanted
to focus on. I find it super interesting and super exciting.
So I'm obviously trying to hold it back because we
did get a little.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Bit excited last year. But I think obviously.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
The record that he's got and what he can bring
to Australian rugby could be enormous.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You know, I suppose having a coach or a couple
of coaches of that standing is immense. But you can
only coach as good player as you've got. From what
you've seen just this year with the way Australian teams
have stood up to a degree in Super rugby, other players,
there is the stock there for Schmidt and Kron and
the like to actually deal with.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, I think there is, you know, you even look
at the Super Rugby.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Results, the boys going you know, they're different, the different
clubs that were able to go away and beat New
Zealand teams where previously I remember it could have been
two or three years ago, maybe even two years ago
as soon as that where they were offering at the
tab If an Australian team could get two wins against
the New Zealand team, it was even money.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
So you know, those.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
We're definitely getting improvements.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I think those young kids, you know, are now starting
to get more experience, more time in the saddle, and yeah,
I think we've definitely got the talent here. But also
we've got some great talent overseas as well, so I know,
you know, Joe Schmitt spoke about he wanted to obviously,
you know, get the younger players, the Australian based players,
more experience and give them first preference you know, to
(07:33):
choose from. But we've also got some great players overseas
that if we relax the laws, we could make you know,
the team even more complete.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I believe you've lost the player as well. Gordon's gone
off to the NRL. But you didn't see that one covin.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
No, I didn't at all, I think, like everyone, Yeah,
I mean it's a yeah, it's a sad loss for
AUSTRAI Roby because I feel like he's got so much
to offer. But you know, as far as contracts and whatever,
a player decides to go to wherever he goes, I've
never really questioned that because it's a personal decision. So
you know, obviously he would have weighed up the pros
(08:10):
and cons and he feels like now is the right
time for him to have a crack at rugby league.
You can, you know, I wish you all the best.
Obviously it's hard for a strain rugby. But we've got
some great young tanzi here that I think have really
stood up. So while it would have been great to
keep him in the system, keep them in the pathway
and develop him, I think we've still got some great
tans around as well.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Mattoe joining us former Wallabee also runs the podcast The
Coco Show Kickoffs and kick On. You can download that
and take away and listen to him and his mates
during about the game. Matt you will forever like it
to not be connected with the guitar law. If you will,
the ability to come back after playing overseas and represent
(08:48):
your nation. This is something that is always been discussed
over here in New Zealand. You're thinkings that should relax
their eligibility laws and maybe look to pack overseas players
guys that have based themselves away after a set time.
Is that something you think should.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Happening, you know, from my perspective being that, I think
New Zealand Rugby have so many great players. You see
the legends of the game. Once they move on that
next year you've got a new kid that's ready to
step in and obviously you know, dominate the international scene.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
So you've got so many great players there. I think
it's their only real.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Bargaining player, you know, to play for the All Blacks,
you need to stay in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
So that's any player that leaves.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Obviously there are players overseas that could potentially add to
the All Blacks.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
But I also think, you.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Know, New Zealand Rugby just have so much depth in
their squads and even the younger grassroots players, you know,
like I feel, also, Rugby and New Zealand's totally different
to Australia. In Australia we're competing massively against we're behind
Australian rules rugby league, even football or soccer, you know,
so we're actually, you know, trying to just compete to
(10:05):
get kids playing the sport, whereas in New Zealand it's
a religion.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Everyone loves it. So I think from an.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Actual depth of your squad point of view, I don't
think New Zealand rugby need it.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
But the experience is that you get.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
You even have to ask adisav he's a little stint
that he is in Japan, just getting away from, you know,
the fishball of rugby in Australia and New Zealand and
experiencing life experiences and something culturally totally different.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
There's a lot to be said there for freshening the
players up. So I see.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Allowing the players to go away, but you know, they
obviously can't play for the All Blacks when they're away.
It's probably the way to do it for them, but
just because they've got so much step for us, I
think in Australian rugby we.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Probably do need to relax the law a little bit.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
But it's a hard one because you also want to
keep your players in Australian rugby, say, it is a
tough conversation. But my view on it is, if you've
got the best players, especially in a World Cup year,
why not pick your best players. Why not give yourself
the best shot to be as successful as you can
in the World Cup.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I've got a first five eighth called Richie Mona who
disappeared off to Japan at the end of the last
World Cup. There's been a call to try and get
him back whichever way we can. A little due respect
to Damien McKenzie someone like that returning from Japan to
start playing international rugby a game, do you think we
need Richie more on it and everything he brings?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Oh, I mean, you only need to look at the
rugby season he had over there in Japan and you
know the impact that he had.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
He's a great player. He's a very talented player. And
also you've got to ask.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
The player does he want to come back and play
for the All Blacks again? You know, whether he's happy
overseas and you know he's looking at a different direction
in his life and maybe playing for the All Blacks
isn't the be all and end off for him anymore.
So I'm not saying that's the case, but yeah, he's
a phenomenal player. You know, he can change the momentum
(12:05):
of games just individually on his own. He's yeah, there's
no doubt that he's a special talent. But it's obviously
up to the player if they're doing everything they can
to get him back.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
But he's happy overseas. And you know, you only want players.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I believe you only want players actually want to play
for your country, to be playing for your country, so
you know it's a massive honor to play for your country.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
So yeah, yeah, you've got to look at it that way.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
We'll wrap things up with a prediction on two. Who's
going to pick up Super Rugby the trophy? Super Rugby
Pacific is one Australian team left three New Zealand teams.
Which way is it going to roll? And try and
stick your parochialism out the back of the couch, will you?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:46):
I just better say, mate, what do you want me
to say here? It's one of the stupidest questions I've
ever been asked.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I believe it's got to be the Brumbies. We're going
to do it.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I think, you know, camera boy, Yeah, I just like
the way they're trending. Obviously, the Blues are going to
be a tough, tough ass for them, especially after what
happened the last time they went to Eaton Park. But
they'll be better for that outing. And I think, you know, obviously,
my heart, my head, everything's gone for.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
The Brummis Well.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I did offer, you know, put your parochialis into one side.
But I'm glad finally, after twenty three years, someone's told
me that it's the stupidest question you've ever heard. Thanks
so much of that.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I couldn't go. I couldn't go any other way.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
It wouldn't feel right even if I didn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I just couldn't.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I just could not give New Zealand any more credit
than they deserve, you know, like you're always at the
top of the tree. I've lost so many games to
the All Blacks and to New Zealand Super rugby teams
that I just could never pick them.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And it's finish it. Well, the we chat tell us
about your podcast. So what's it called? Who's on it?
Where can we listen to it?
Speaker 5 (13:51):
So it's called Kickoffs and kick Ons.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
We got a website, Kickoffs and kick Ons dot com,
where you can just get merchandise. Obviously, look at the
shows that we've done. I think we've done twenty shows now,
so it's must off through Mitchell, Adam Acci Cooper and
the prop James Rochford, who anchors it. But it's mainly
(14:15):
if you're after exs and osis is in the pod
for you. We'll break down a little bit, the rugby
bit more. We just talk shitn't I think, just pretty
much bag each other for about an hour.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
That's that's pretty much how the podcast brilliant.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Do us a favor Ask your other panelists what the
stupidest question is We've ever been asked by a radio
host and let's hope by Trump that one as well.
Make it so real pleasure mate, Thanks very much for
your time. Look after yourself.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
You go well, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
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