November 13, 2024 • 6 mins
Black Caps coach Gary Stead is keeping his cards close to his chest over his test side to face England at home later this month.
New Zealand take on Sri Lanka in a three-match ODI series, starting tonight, with a number of inexperienced players - including Mitch Hay and Zak Foulkes - getting a chance to play during the T20 series.
Former coach Mike Hesson joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to discuss the opening match.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It'd be One Day International Cricket is the conversation piece.
We're joined by former Black Caps coach Mike Hess and
Mike trust Your well, yeah very well, thinks dares he
interesting game of an evening. In fact, this entire series
is odd. It seems like an outlier, but I'm presuming
it's taking place because that's just the nature of future tours.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It has to be.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Done weeds in between two key test series. So why
is it being done well?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
With Champions Trophy being in February obviously one day tournament,
it's a pretty important series for New Zealand to sort
of see who are the fringe selections really And I
guess with New Zealand not having played whill One Day
International since December twenty twenty three, I think an outlie
is probably.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
A fair a fear assumption.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Darcy be a very important tool with that Champions Trophy
in mind.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Look, a lot of the key players are back here
playing in New Zealand conditions ahead of what is going
to be a key test series up against the English,
so they're playing plunket chill, which is great to have
those guys there, the guys that are over there playing
now though I know it's one day compared to tests,
but how many of those guys are a possibility of
actually doing something in the Test series. Well, I can
(01:22):
see Glenn Phillips, maybe Mitch Santon. That's probably about it.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, And I think that's a pretty important three games
for Nathan Smith. I think if he shows any inclination,
I think he'll potentially fill in that number eight slot
in New Zealand conditions, which is going to be a
really important slot.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
So you know, they need one of those bowling all rounders.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
And I think Smith seems to be the next cab
off the rank obviously being contracted, so it's an important
tour for him.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Zachary Folks has done really nicely been Jacob Duffy is
another one who will certainly come into consideration for the
Test rankings or the Test tour as well.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
The difficult to probably put form of one day is
and attached to to tests, but from selection point of view,
because of the lack of depth, I suppose across the
board in New Zealand cricket, because only a small nation
there's a lot you can take out of one day
is towards tests, I'm presuming is there.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Oh, I think it's more just seeing how they deal
with the pressures of international scene, and I think that's
probably more important than anything. You know, someone like Nathan
Smith who's been on the fringes, played a huge amount
of domestic cricket done well. It's just nice to see
how they front up and deal with the pressures.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Albeit you're right in completely foreign conditions.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So the test though not the tests sorry, the one
day are coming up tonight, though it does have important
because what's three hundred and thirty six odd days? I
don't think it is since they last played a game
of one day cricket. What do they hope As far
as the one day to get out of is it's
just time in the middle more than anything from a
coaching a selection point of view, well, I.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Think it's very much about they would have two or
three roles in mind that still aren't filled with the
champions trophy only a matter of months away, so that's
going to be played in Pakistan, so obviously playing in
Sri Lanka similar conditions, so you know they're going it's
pretty much a litmus test to see who are the
next or who are the last or of two or
three guys picked in that squad. So, you know, someone
(03:20):
like Mitch Hay, I think is really important to see
how he goes. I talked about Nathan Smith, you know,
Henry Nichols, whether he can push his case as a
backup batsman again or whether Will Young will take that spot.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
You know, obviously Philip Satner will be there anyway, So
there's a.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
You know, whether someone like a Dean Foxcroft could you know,
force his case with a really good tour. So there's
a number of players that probably individually have plenty again
and beating Sri Lanka and Sri Lanka is not easy.
So if they're able to do that, then it's an
important win for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Mike Hessing, you touched on the gaps and you've mentioned
a couple of players. Can you just underline what those
gaps are? Those areas where there possibly could be somebody
rolling in to take one of those Champion Trophy spots.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Well, I think they need a change up bowlers.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
So someone like a folks you know, who's able to
change his pace is really important in those conditions. You know,
the ball doesn't always swim or seem so you've got
to have someone who's got that different set of skills
and who can bat sort of towards the lower end
because our lower order are very much all bowlers at
the stage, So someone like you Smith or Folks could
(04:28):
add some you know, some depth to that batting order,
which is pretty important over there, really important, Michael Bracewell.
You know, Glenn Phillips gets some more bowling under their belt,
you know, and then they can work out whether they
need the likes of East Sody, they need a wrist
spinner with a finger spin will be able to do
the job over there.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
So those are probably the key things.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I think the batting lineup is probably settled once you
get the big boys back.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And as far as the threat that Sri Lanka pose,
well we know they can do it pretty much and
tests we've just had that thrust around our hidden face.
But as far as one day's national cricket of consumed,
where are they are? They played a bit recently, haven't they.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Well they just beat India for the first time in
twenty years in a series. It was an Indian B side,
But I mean, they're not actually in the Champions Trophy,
so they haven't made the top eight sides to qualify
for that tournament, so they're pretty gutted about that, and
obviously with New Zealand qualifying, they'll want to put one
over them and sort of suggest that maybe they should
(05:22):
be there. So they haven't had a great two years,
but the last six months have certainly looked like they're
on the improve.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yew. How's the balance going internationally, Mike? Around T twenty
versus one day international versus tests. This constant struggle, isn't it?
And who puts what where? As far as imports concern
that even possibly changes from the nation to nation.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah it does, but I think mainly it's based around
the world events. So whenever there's a World T twenty
tournament that that year leading up to it, there tends
to be more T twenties played, And just like as
I said, with the Champions Trophy in mind and the
twenty twenty three World Cup, there was a whole lot
more one day has played prior to that, So that
seems to be the way that most international sides see it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And finally, before I let you go to be rooted
me not to ask the rate New Zealand's chances of
cleaning England out and maybe just maybe knocking their way
toward the World Test Championship Final.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Well, they certainly couldn't arrive with bitter form, could they.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I mean that was an extraordinary series, winning in the
air and you know would have provided them a huge
amount of confidence. And you know England have obviously just
lost in Pakistan as well, so a'll be at the skillful.
I think New Zealand a very well placed to do well.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And on that note, we'll let you get on with
your day. Enjoy staying up all through the night. Although
you're not coaching New Zealand anymore, so you don't have to,
but you probably will.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Thanks for your time, Mike, Thanks Darcy.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
they'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It'd be One Day International Cricket is the conversation piece.
We're joined by former Black Caps coach Mike Hess and
Mike trust Your well, yeah very well, thinks dares he
interesting game of an evening. In fact, this entire series
is odd. It seems like an outlier, but I'm presuming
it's taking place because that's just the nature of future tours.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It has to be.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Done weeds in between two key test series. So why
is it being done well?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
With Champions Trophy being in February obviously one day tournament,
it's a pretty important series for New Zealand to sort
of see who are the fringe selections really And I
guess with New Zealand not having played whill One Day
International since December twenty twenty three, I think an outlie
is probably.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
A fair a fear assumption.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Darcy be a very important tool with that Champions Trophy
in mind.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Look, a lot of the key players are back here
playing in New Zealand conditions ahead of what is going
to be a key test series up against the English,
so they're playing plunket chill, which is great to have
those guys there, the guys that are over there playing
now though I know it's one day compared to tests,
but how many of those guys are a possibility of
actually doing something in the Test series. Well, I can
(01:22):
see Glenn Phillips, maybe Mitch Santon. That's probably about it.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, And I think that's a pretty important three games
for Nathan Smith. I think if he shows any inclination,
I think he'll potentially fill in that number eight slot
in New Zealand conditions, which is going to be a
really important slot.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
So you know, they need one of those bowling all rounders.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
And I think Smith seems to be the next cab
off the rank obviously being contracted, so it's an important
tour for him.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Zachary Folks has done really nicely been Jacob Duffy is
another one who will certainly come into consideration for the
Test rankings or the Test tour as well.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
The difficult to probably put form of one day is
and attached to to tests, but from selection point of view,
because of the lack of depth, I suppose across the
board in New Zealand cricket, because only a small nation
there's a lot you can take out of one day
is towards tests, I'm presuming is there.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Oh, I think it's more just seeing how they deal
with the pressures of international scene, and I think that's
probably more important than anything. You know, someone like Nathan
Smith who's been on the fringes, played a huge amount
of domestic cricket done well. It's just nice to see
how they front up and deal with the pressures.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Albeit you're right in completely foreign conditions.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So the test though not the tests sorry, the one
day are coming up tonight, though it does have important
because what's three hundred and thirty six odd days? I
don't think it is since they last played a game
of one day cricket. What do they hope As far
as the one day to get out of is it's
just time in the middle more than anything from a
coaching a selection point of view, well, I.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Think it's very much about they would have two or
three roles in mind that still aren't filled with the
champions trophy only a matter of months away, so that's
going to be played in Pakistan, so obviously playing in
Sri Lanka similar conditions, so you know they're going it's
pretty much a litmus test to see who are the
next or who are the last or of two or
three guys picked in that squad. So, you know, someone
(03:20):
like Mitch Hay, I think is really important to see
how he goes. I talked about Nathan Smith, you know,
Henry Nichols, whether he can push his case as a
backup batsman again or whether Will Young will take that spot.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
You know, obviously Philip Satner will be there anyway, So
there's a.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
You know, whether someone like a Dean Foxcroft could you know,
force his case with a really good tour. So there's
a number of players that probably individually have plenty again
and beating Sri Lanka and Sri Lanka is not easy.
So if they're able to do that, then it's an
important win for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Mike Hessing, you touched on the gaps and you've mentioned
a couple of players. Can you just underline what those
gaps are? Those areas where there possibly could be somebody
rolling in to take one of those Champion Trophy spots.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Well, I think they need a change up bowlers.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
So someone like a folks you know, who's able to
change his pace is really important in those conditions. You know,
the ball doesn't always swim or seem so you've got
to have someone who's got that different set of skills
and who can bat sort of towards the lower end
because our lower order are very much all bowlers at
the stage, So someone like you Smith or Folks could
(04:28):
add some you know, some depth to that batting order,
which is pretty important over there, really important, Michael Bracewell.
You know, Glenn Phillips gets some more bowling under their belt,
you know, and then they can work out whether they
need the likes of East Sody, they need a wrist
spinner with a finger spin will be able to do
the job over there.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
So those are probably the key things.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I think the batting lineup is probably settled once you
get the big boys back.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And as far as the threat that Sri Lanka pose,
well we know they can do it pretty much and
tests we've just had that thrust around our hidden face.
But as far as one day's national cricket of consumed,
where are they are? They played a bit recently, haven't they.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Well they just beat India for the first time in
twenty years in a series. It was an Indian B side,
But I mean, they're not actually in the Champions Trophy,
so they haven't made the top eight sides to qualify
for that tournament, so they're pretty gutted about that, and
obviously with New Zealand qualifying, they'll want to put one
over them and sort of suggest that maybe they should
(05:22):
be there. So they haven't had a great two years,
but the last six months have certainly looked like they're
on the improve.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yew. How's the balance going internationally, Mike? Around T twenty
versus one day international versus tests. This constant struggle, isn't it?
And who puts what where? As far as imports concern
that even possibly changes from the nation to nation.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah it does, but I think mainly it's based around
the world events. So whenever there's a World T twenty
tournament that that year leading up to it, there tends
to be more T twenties played, And just like as
I said, with the Champions Trophy in mind and the
twenty twenty three World Cup, there was a whole lot
more one day has played prior to that, So that
seems to be the way that most international sides see it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And finally, before I let you go to be rooted
me not to ask the rate New Zealand's chances of
cleaning England out and maybe just maybe knocking their way
toward the World Test Championship Final.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Well, they certainly couldn't arrive with bitter form, could they.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I mean that was an extraordinary series, winning in the
air and you know would have provided them a huge
amount of confidence. And you know England have obviously just
lost in Pakistan as well, so a'll be at the skillful.
I think New Zealand a very well placed to do well.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And on that note, we'll let you get on with
your day. Enjoy staying up all through the night. Although
you're not coaching New Zealand anymore, so you don't have to,
but you probably will.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Thanks for your time, Mike, Thanks Darcy.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
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on iHeartRadio.
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