Earlier today, it was confirmed that Ahmedabad will be the hosts of the 2030 Commonwealth Games.
It was also said that the New Zealand Olympic Committee will be pursuing a bid to bring the 2034 Games to New Zealand.
New Zealand Olympic Committee Team Services Director Ryan Archibald joined D'Arcy to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
From Ryan Fox to Ryan. Would we now go to
Ryan Archiboard. It's the Rye guys in full effect. He's
a former Olympic and Commonwealth Games hockey player for the
men's Black Sticks. He's the current Team services director at ENZOC.
We're going to look now at the possibility of New
Zealand bidding for the twenty thirty four Commonwealth Games to
(00:35):
New Zealand. I mean Abart will be the host in
twenty thirty that was being confirmed. If this has come
off the back of that, Nicky Nickel, the chief executive,
said that the expressive expression of interest is out there.
The whole idea is gaining a lot more traction. She said,
We've really appreciated the support from the sector and government
(00:56):
are for this expression of interest and we'd love to
host the Common Games here in New Zealand in twenty
thirty four.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
What does that mean? How many more hurdles does it
has to jump? What happens now? Ryan joins the program
to Di scass Ryan, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Ithch is just darsy, good to be here. Nice to
have a chat.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, it's good to have a chat to you, not
about hockey, but about something slightly broad it. It's nice
the way you've moved on. If you will now your
role Team Services Director at the New Zealand Olympic Committee,
can you just tidy that up for us and tell
us exactly what it is that you do and what
you're charged with.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Yeah, so, in I guess simple terms, it's all the preparation,
planning and delivery of a team tour games, whether it's
an Olympic Games or Youth Games or Commonwealth Games. So
so you know, as an example, to Paris, we took
a team of about four hundred and fifty So those
step four hundred and fifty is people athletes, coaches, support
(01:52):
staff are basically my responsibility.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
That's a lot on your plate. How are you enjoying
it so far?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
It's a dream job, to be honest. You know, I
grew up as a kid loving the Olympics. Fortunately, you know,
I was good at a sport that was an Olympic sport,
so I got to experience Olympics and Commonwealth Games as
an athlete. So now i'm kind of, you know, on
the other side on the operations the administration side.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And yeah, absolutely absolutely love the job.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
The athletes Lens I think Nick and Nichol the boss
described you. Ways right, let's look at what's happening currently.
The headline reads is an Olympic committee is pursuing its
bid to bring the thirty four Commonwealth Games to New Zealand.
After I met, a bad was confirmed host for twenty thirty.
So this has been talked about for some time, but
(02:40):
plainly it's gaining more than traction, it's getting quite focused.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
So what can you.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Tell us from zoc's point of view about the potential,
the want, the need, everything around it.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Yeah, look, we you know at INSIDOC as you know
the Commonwealth Games Association for New Zealand. We'd love to
have a Commonwealth Games hosted in New Zealand. Again, look,
it's a long way from being you know, a proper
bid or actually coming to a fruition. There's there's a
whole lot of steps that need to happen. But effectively
(03:13):
we have an expression of interest in with Commonwealth Sport.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
So that expression of interest.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Gives us an opportunity to potentially do a feasibility. Look
at what a new Zealand Games could be what it
might look like. But obviously, you know, getting the support
of the New Zealand public, of key stakeholders of government
in particular, would be crucial to us actually formulating an
actual bid for for games.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Right expression of interest? What you have to write on
a piece of paper to common games? We could be
keen or what does it actually involve?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
What does this mean?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah, look, it's not too far from that. I mean
the expression of interest you know, has to be has
to be real. We've done some some kind of pre feasibility,
you'd call it. We've kind of looked at a concept
of what New Zealand games would look like and so
effectively we've kind of said to Commonwealth Sport, look, we're interested,
(04:13):
we're keen. We want to be part of any discussions
moving forward, you know. And whether that resulted in a
serious bit or not, time will tell, but we're keen
to take the next step beyond just an idea or
a concept, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So what does it look like we haven't had since
nineteen ninety. We know it's been scaled back for Glasgow,
it's been staggering, it's been a wee bit of trouble.
As the Olympics rolls on to bigger and badder and
scarier things, Commonwealth Games has been in a strange state
of flight. So from nzc's point of view, what needs
to happen in the Games to make it a viable proposition?
(04:49):
How do you see it changing and being fit for
purpose for New Zealand?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Yeah, well, I think the key is kind of that,
you know, being fit for purpose. So you know, we're
not going to try and host the games that's going
to cost megabucks that the country can't afford. So, you know,
on the back of Victoria pulling out of hosting the
Commonwealth Games, the Commonwealth movement has kind of had a
bit of a reset. It's kind of just taking a
(05:15):
step back and gone, you know, actually, what should the
Commonwealth Games be? And it doesn't need to be an
Olympic Games. So the Glasgow model is very slimmed down,
very basic, very cost effective. It probably needs to be
a little bit more than that going forward. So I
think India will take it a step further. You know,
Glasgow's ten sports. I think the Indian Games will be
(05:38):
pretty fifteen to seventeen, So around that fifteen to seventeen
sport is probably a good number.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
But it's just being smart.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
About how you deliver. It's about using existing infrastructure. It's
kind of doing things almost like an MVP minimum viable product,
but with enough quality that makes the events still still
stand up and that people want to be part of
and that people want to want to go and watch.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Plainly, gums on seats very very important. You can't hold
this and no one turns up. So you've got to
focus on presuming a lot on the New Zealand needs
and wants. Or is that too focused?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
No?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Absolutely, I think within a provision for games now, you know,
as part of Commonwealth Sport Reset, I think the host
has a little bit more control and a little bit
more say so there's less dictated to the host now.
So in you know for New Zealand, if we were
hosting it, we would look at, okay, there's some core
sports that we would need to have, but actually what
sports matter to New Zealanders?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
So what sports in terms of.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
You know, rounding out the program. Could we actually as
as New Zealand choose how could we host it? Would
it be a one city thing, would it be a
nationwide thing, or do we kind of stick to a
region to keep costs down. So there's there's I think
there's more flexibility in how you'd host the games than
perhaps there has been in the past.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
The ballpark, you probably don't know what this would cost,
as in evene but to even put it down on
paper and actually have a bid for it. How much
money have you got to play with and how expensive
would that be?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Well, you know it wouldn't it wouldn't be cheap.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
I think the Glasgow Games probably around about three hundred
million New Zealand dollars, so that would.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Be your kind of baseline.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
I imagine you'd want to spend a bit more than that. So,
so you know, games in New Zealand coming to fruition,
I think the I guess the economic climate needs to
be right, the political appetite needs to be there, and
then you know you're kind of looking like with other
major events. You know, how can we how can we
commercialize the games, perhaps better than might be done in
(07:41):
the past. How can we ensure that it's that it
leaves a legacy for for sport and recreation in New Zealand.
So so yeah, there's a lot of water to go
under the bridge, but and it wouldn't be cheap, so
but it's kind of worth from our perspective anyway, it's
worth making those investigations and looking looking closely at it.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Well, you've been looking closely and you want to look closer.
You talked of government interest and plainly they have to
climb into this.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Are they keen? Have they shown the right signs?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And as far as the private sector is going, what
do you know about the possibility of investment there, because
it's not all going to be government, is it, Ryan?
Speaker 5 (08:21):
No, And that's you know, I probably can't answer that
question at this point in time. I think those conversations
are still to be had governments. The conversations we've had,
there's certainly interest there, but there is there's absolutely you know,
to be clear, there's absolutely no no commitment from from governments.
So that would you know, be part of kind of
(08:41):
the next phase would look at the feasibility of it,
what the value is to New Zealand both I guess financially, socially, culturally,
and then and then kind of see where where the
where it stacks up. And then and then what the
government of the day thinks thinks in terms of their
interests and value to New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, Glasgow hasn't got parky or cricket or the sevens
or beach volleyball, squash or they are all climbing fairly sharpishly,
i'd think, because there are sports that not only in
New Zealand enjoy, but we're very good at too.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
The Glasgow model, as I say, it's really slimmed back.
And the approach Glasgow took was looking at, okay, what
what infrastructure do we have and what sports can we
put there? And you know what what can we do
within a very restricted budget. And so that was the
approach that Glasgow took. So the sports kind of kind
(09:37):
of fell. We're kind of secondary, I guess to what existed,
would infrastructure existed. So so that's kind of led to
the ten sports that are on the Glasgow program. I
think we'd want to be a bit more, a bit
more deliberate about what sports New Zealanders are interested. So
(09:57):
there's some sports that would be compulsory on the program,
but obviously there's ones. You know, rugby seven's is a
great example that New Zealanders would be interested in seeing,
interested in watching, and you know, we've got great athletes,
So you know, why wouldn't we have rugby seven's at
Commonwealth Games?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
In New Zealand Chief Executive Er Nicki Nichols, she said,
they know next to your the processes to turn this
into a formal feasible process. So this has been put
out there now purely on the back of I mean
a bad being named as the host of the next
Commonwealth Games. Is this planned or where did this announcement
(10:32):
come from?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Do you think, Ryan, Well.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
I think the fifth step was let's see what was
going to happen post Glasgow. So now there's certainty there
were a couple of strong bids for the twenty thirty Games.
And so the fact that Amtabad has been granted the
games and India are super keen to do it well,
I think that gives the Commonwealth movements and by extension
(10:58):
us here in New Zealand, certainty that the Games is
getting back on track, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Post the Victoria disruptions.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
So think that gives us confidence that there's appetite within
the Commonwealth movement to have well, well run Commonwealth Games.
So hence, now that that's kind of been locked in,
then you know, the Commonwealth movement will be looking at okay,
what's after I met Abaud and when when do they
start a process for twenty thirty four.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
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You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
From Ryan Fox to Ryan. Would we now go to
Ryan Archiboard. It's the Rye guys in full effect. He's
a former Olympic and Commonwealth Games hockey player for the
men's Black Sticks. He's the current Team services director at ENZOC.
We're going to look now at the possibility of New
Zealand bidding for the twenty thirty four Commonwealth Games to
(00:35):
New Zealand. I mean Abart will be the host in
twenty thirty that was being confirmed. If this has come
off the back of that, Nicky Nickel, the chief executive,
said that the expressive expression of interest is out there.
The whole idea is gaining a lot more traction. She said,
We've really appreciated the support from the sector and government
(00:56):
are for this expression of interest and we'd love to
host the Common Games here in New Zealand in twenty
thirty four.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
What does that mean? How many more hurdles does it
has to jump? What happens now? Ryan joins the program
to Di scass Ryan, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Ithch is just darsy, good to be here. Nice to
have a chat.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, it's good to have a chat to you, not
about hockey, but about something slightly broad it. It's nice
the way you've moved on. If you will now your
role Team Services Director at the New Zealand Olympic Committee,
can you just tidy that up for us and tell
us exactly what it is that you do and what
you're charged with.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Yeah, so, in I guess simple terms, it's all the preparation,
planning and delivery of a team tour games, whether it's
an Olympic Games or Youth Games or Commonwealth Games. So
so you know, as an example, to Paris, we took
a team of about four hundred and fifty So those
step four hundred and fifty is people athletes, coaches, support
(01:52):
staff are basically my responsibility.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
That's a lot on your plate. How are you enjoying
it so far?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
It's a dream job, to be honest. You know, I
grew up as a kid loving the Olympics. Fortunately, you know,
I was good at a sport that was an Olympic sport,
so I got to experience Olympics and Commonwealth Games as
an athlete. So now i'm kind of, you know, on
the other side on the operations the administration side.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And yeah, absolutely absolutely love the job.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
The athletes Lens I think Nick and Nichol the boss
described you. Ways right, let's look at what's happening currently.
The headline reads is an Olympic committee is pursuing its
bid to bring the thirty four Commonwealth Games to New Zealand.
After I met, a bad was confirmed host for twenty thirty.
So this has been talked about for some time, but
(02:40):
plainly it's gaining more than traction, it's getting quite focused.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
So what can you.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Tell us from zoc's point of view about the potential,
the want, the need, everything around it.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Yeah, look, we you know at INSIDOC as you know
the Commonwealth Games Association for New Zealand. We'd love to
have a Commonwealth Games hosted in New Zealand. Again, look,
it's a long way from being you know, a proper
bid or actually coming to a fruition. There's there's a
whole lot of steps that need to happen. But effectively
(03:13):
we have an expression of interest in with Commonwealth Sport.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
So that expression of interest.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Gives us an opportunity to potentially do a feasibility. Look
at what a new Zealand Games could be what it
might look like. But obviously, you know, getting the support
of the New Zealand public, of key stakeholders of government
in particular, would be crucial to us actually formulating an
actual bid for for games.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Right expression of interest? What you have to write on
a piece of paper to common games? We could be
keen or what does it actually involve?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
What does this mean?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah, look, it's not too far from that. I mean
the expression of interest you know, has to be has
to be real. We've done some some kind of pre feasibility,
you'd call it. We've kind of looked at a concept
of what New Zealand games would look like and so
effectively we've kind of said to Commonwealth Sport, look, we're interested,
(04:13):
we're keen. We want to be part of any discussions
moving forward, you know. And whether that resulted in a
serious bit or not, time will tell, but we're keen
to take the next step beyond just an idea or
a concept, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So what does it look like we haven't had since
nineteen ninety. We know it's been scaled back for Glasgow,
it's been staggering, it's been a wee bit of trouble.
As the Olympics rolls on to bigger and badder and
scarier things, Commonwealth Games has been in a strange state
of flight. So from nzc's point of view, what needs
to happen in the Games to make it a viable proposition?
(04:49):
How do you see it changing and being fit for
purpose for New Zealand?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Yeah, well, I think the key is kind of that,
you know, being fit for purpose. So you know, we're
not going to try and host the games that's going
to cost megabucks that the country can't afford. So, you know,
on the back of Victoria pulling out of hosting the
Commonwealth Games, the Commonwealth movement has kind of had a
bit of a reset. It's kind of just taking a
(05:15):
step back and gone, you know, actually, what should the
Commonwealth Games be? And it doesn't need to be an
Olympic Games. So the Glasgow model is very slimmed down,
very basic, very cost effective. It probably needs to be
a little bit more than that going forward. So I
think India will take it a step further. You know,
Glasgow's ten sports. I think the Indian Games will be
(05:38):
pretty fifteen to seventeen, So around that fifteen to seventeen
sport is probably a good number.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
But it's just being smart.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
About how you deliver. It's about using existing infrastructure. It's
kind of doing things almost like an MVP minimum viable product,
but with enough quality that makes the events still still
stand up and that people want to be part of
and that people want to want to go and watch.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Plainly, gums on seats very very important. You can't hold
this and no one turns up. So you've got to
focus on presuming a lot on the New Zealand needs
and wants. Or is that too focused?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
No?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Absolutely, I think within a provision for games now, you know,
as part of Commonwealth Sport Reset, I think the host
has a little bit more control and a little bit
more say so there's less dictated to the host now.
So in you know for New Zealand, if we were
hosting it, we would look at, okay, there's some core
sports that we would need to have, but actually what
sports matter to New Zealanders?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
So what sports in terms of.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
You know, rounding out the program. Could we actually as
as New Zealand choose how could we host it? Would
it be a one city thing, would it be a
nationwide thing, or do we kind of stick to a
region to keep costs down. So there's there's I think
there's more flexibility in how you'd host the games than
perhaps there has been in the past.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
The ballpark, you probably don't know what this would cost,
as in evene but to even put it down on
paper and actually have a bid for it. How much
money have you got to play with and how expensive
would that be?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Well, you know it wouldn't it wouldn't be cheap.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
I think the Glasgow Games probably around about three hundred
million New Zealand dollars, so that would.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Be your kind of baseline.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
I imagine you'd want to spend a bit more than that. So,
so you know, games in New Zealand coming to fruition,
I think the I guess the economic climate needs to
be right, the political appetite needs to be there, and
then you know you're kind of looking like with other
major events. You know, how can we how can we
commercialize the games, perhaps better than might be done in
(07:41):
the past. How can we ensure that it's that it
leaves a legacy for for sport and recreation in New Zealand.
So so yeah, there's a lot of water to go
under the bridge, but and it wouldn't be cheap, so
but it's kind of worth from our perspective anyway, it's
worth making those investigations and looking looking closely at it.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Well, you've been looking closely and you want to look closer.
You talked of government interest and plainly they have to
climb into this.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Are they keen? Have they shown the right signs?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And as far as the private sector is going, what
do you know about the possibility of investment there, because
it's not all going to be government, is it, Ryan?
Speaker 5 (08:21):
No, And that's you know, I probably can't answer that
question at this point in time. I think those conversations
are still to be had governments. The conversations we've had,
there's certainly interest there, but there is there's absolutely you know,
to be clear, there's absolutely no no commitment from from governments.
So that would you know, be part of kind of
(08:41):
the next phase would look at the feasibility of it,
what the value is to New Zealand both I guess financially, socially, culturally,
and then and then kind of see where where the
where it stacks up. And then and then what the
government of the day thinks thinks in terms of their
interests and value to New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, Glasgow hasn't got parky or cricket or the sevens
or beach volleyball, squash or they are all climbing fairly sharpishly,
i'd think, because there are sports that not only in
New Zealand enjoy, but we're very good at too.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
The Glasgow model, as I say, it's really slimmed back.
And the approach Glasgow took was looking at, okay, what
what infrastructure do we have and what sports can we
put there? And you know what what can we do
within a very restricted budget. And so that was the
approach that Glasgow took. So the sports kind of kind
(09:37):
of fell. We're kind of secondary, I guess to what existed,
would infrastructure existed. So so that's kind of led to
the ten sports that are on the Glasgow program. I
think we'd want to be a bit more, a bit
more deliberate about what sports New Zealanders are interested. So
(09:57):
there's some sports that would be compulsory on the program,
but obviously there's ones. You know, rugby seven's is a
great example that New Zealanders would be interested in seeing,
interested in watching, and you know, we've got great athletes,
So you know, why wouldn't we have rugby seven's at
Commonwealth Games?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
In New Zealand Chief Executive Er Nicki Nichols, she said,
they know next to your the processes to turn this
into a formal feasible process. So this has been put
out there now purely on the back of I mean
a bad being named as the host of the next
Commonwealth Games. Is this planned or where did this announcement
(10:32):
come from?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Do you think, Ryan, Well.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
I think the fifth step was let's see what was
going to happen post Glasgow. So now there's certainty there
were a couple of strong bids for the twenty thirty Games.
And so the fact that Amtabad has been granted the
games and India are super keen to do it well,
I think that gives the Commonwealth movements and by extension
(10:58):
us here in New Zealand, certainty that the Games is
getting back on track, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Post the Victoria disruptions.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
So think that gives us confidence that there's appetite within
the Commonwealth movement to have well, well run Commonwealth Games.
So hence, now that that's kind of been locked in,
then you know, the Commonwealth movement will be looking at okay,
what's after I met Abaud and when when do they
start a process for twenty thirty four.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
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it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
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