October 24, 2024 • 10 mins
Former Silver Ferns Coach Yvonne Willering joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to discuss the recent success of the New Zealand side.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the sports Talk podcast with Duncy Wildergrave
from News Talk Zed.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be game over New Zealand, comprehensive winners over Australia for
the second game in a row again?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Is he ever?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Sixty three goals to fifty two?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
There are a couple of absolute trouserings. Diamonds are being
thrashed at the hands of the Ferns. I don't know
if anyone saw there coming after what happened in the
Tiny Jamison series. I know someone who might though. Her
name is Evonne Willering. She joins US now former Platform
of Silver Fins head coach. So where do those performances
come from, Yvonne and welcome. Yes.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Bit of a surprise for some, I'd say, especially you
know after the first is whether they could reproduce the effort,
and they certainly did.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
They did and it was not just a victory. These
were two well I don't say thrashings, but this is
pretty much as close as to getting international, wasn't it.
You just don't see scores like this at this level,
do you nah?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
And it was interesting because the Ferns actually did have
to step up just preparibility more than anything. Else because
people said, yeah, well the Diamonds and myself included that
the Diamonds did not play well in that first test
and the.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Ferns really took it to them.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
And what's interesting, the Ferns actually at the moment are
playing like Australia normally plays. And I think a lot
of work has been done in the Ferns camp off
the court, and I think that's been the whole, the
biggest change. It's their whole demeanor when they actually take
the court, which is fine, you know, like you can
have your shoulders back and strutting your stuff and having
(01:48):
that confidence so long as there's a win at the
end of it. And at the moment it's certainly going
the Ferns way now.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I think it was Maddy Gordon who said they're really
changing their outlook on the game when it comes to
playing the Aussies at their own game, playing with that
extra physicality and those shoulders and those elbows and you
give it to us, We're going to give it straight
back to you. That appears to be working. Is that
the way to go? Though?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
No?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah, I know, and I look at that and I'm going, oh,
and that's as a hard one, you know, because I
think that there are times when certainly New Zealanders and
that's not just a netball it's in sport generally, and
we tend to be soft, you know, and we pulled back,
whereas you know that any Australian team or they are
going in for the win. Now the importance is it
(02:32):
the performance or is it the win? And at the
moment it is the win, you know. And again that's
the credibility factor, especially after the tiny Jemison Trophy which
we lost obviously through England, and that hurt that really
would have hurt the first they didn't play well and
that was a trophy that they took a lot of
pride in. So they had to come out in this
(02:52):
game looking sharp and it was very much about the win.
And it's interesting because Echinasia I was talking about, you know,
some of the players had to do their dirty work,
they had to be the fighters. And yet when Dame
nol and Tarrua came onto, you know, to be interviewed,
she actually did meet it. Again, yes, but within the
(03:13):
skills of the game. And I looked at that and
if you have a look at it, and Berger and
Jackson have been really, and I pumped up in the
fact how good they were against the diamond Tackers, and
they were absolutely, they got into the heads of them,
they stopped shooting. But having said that, they also had
a huge penalty count against them, and that is something
(03:36):
I'd like to see reduced.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Former national team coach Silver Ferns from silver fern itself,
Evonne Willering joining us that that abrupt change in what
the players bring to the court. That can't be an
easy thing to do from a coaching perspective when you've
coached the same way for so long to expect such
a turnaround. This is quite the trick from Dame Noleane.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, and she's also got some brownie eckle. You know,
she's a specious coach that's coming from Australia, and I
think she has also had an influence in this whole thing,
because I don't forget she knows exactly where the Diamonds
are about, both on the court and off the court,
and I guess she is also helping to instill that.
So I think now it's a situation of actually finding
(04:23):
a fine line in that. So you know, the focus
absolutely has to be on performance. I mean, you put
the performance in the results will speak for themselves. So yeah,
I think they can take great heart from what they've done.
I think they've done some wonderful things. But having said that,
it was interesting. I said at the beginning, you know,
Bruce and Weston coming back into the Australian Diamonds was
(04:46):
going to add more value to them.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
They were not there.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
During the end when England was over in Australia, but
they were back. But they were actually both found wanting
and were both taken off at different times because they've
come back from injuries and they just did not have
the impact that they normally did have. And I guess
because they were coming off the injury, they just not
match fit. So I am expecting to see an Australian
(05:10):
team again, a wounded Australian team. You know, I've come
back stronger on Australian soil and it's really interesting. I
don't know if you know, but if it's now with
New Zealand going over to OS, if it stayed with
the old rules, even if the Australian Diamonds managed to
get two wins against the.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Ferns, the Ferns still would.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Have won the trophy. The Consolation Cup on gold differential.
But now if it does come to two all, then
it's a situation where they start again and they have
two seven minute.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Quarters to determine who the winner is.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
But the Ferns, and I'm really pleased they look at
it this way. They're saying, well, that's not going to happen.
We're going over there and we want to really nail
this game in Perth the third Test and sort of
then it's not a situation out oh, you know, if
it's a draw or anything else. So they're certainly going
in with a wonderful attitude in the game. And the
(06:05):
diamond they're in a situation, especially the coach who is
she going to put on the court to make a difference.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Historically after winning part of the series in New Zealand,
yet make over to Australia and they thrash us. This
is not a lay down massa out going all the
way over to Perth. So where do you think they
have to maintain intensity? Where can they lift their performance
the Silver Ferns to ensure they get the series done
over in Perth.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah, but don't forget that Diamonds also have to go
all the way over to Perth. So yeah, and that's
the situation. They've got to leave it behind and the
fact that they have always they they have been destroyed
on Australian soil. But they're going into this game differently.
It wasn't that the.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Ferns just won.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
These two first tests. They won it convincingly last night
and was seventeen eleven in that first quarter. So they
showed their dominance right from the start. So whilst they
they've got to be aware that the Australia are going
to get better, I think the Ferns actually are so
focused on their own game that it's irrelevant exactly what
(07:14):
the Diamonds are doing at the moment. And that's what
I'm saying. It's a total reversal and the Ferns are
definitely taking charge. And I think that no matter what
mid court the Ferns put on, the passing that they're
doing to Graceman Wiki is just spot on and really
not a different matter whether it's Cloud Western or Bruce
or Ariung from the Diamonds against her, nothing is working
(07:37):
for them. So the Diamonds at the moment, it just
doesn't look like they've got a B game plan. You know,
if something doesn't work, they're not looking, they're not making adjustments.
And I think that the Ferns do have a plan
B because they spoke about you know, about zones and
walls and everything else that was not done in either
(07:59):
of the first two tests. Basically it was one on
one rugged defense and anything that Australia got they have to.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Work damn hard for. So it's going to be interesting to.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
See whether the Ferns are going to change their pattern
for the third test, and that's why I'm really looking
forward to the game.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And as far as the Ciders, and you touched on
it before, this will be interesting as far as the
way the team plays and the way the replacements are
used coming into that final quarter. If there's a possibility
they've got to play two more seven minute periods, that
brings a whole new energy to the end of this game,
(08:38):
doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, but that's again for both teams. And don't forget
the Ferns. That fits absolutely. Hey, that was.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Always a requirement by Dame Noli Talor.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
That they had to reach a certain standard on THEYYO tests,
so that could come into counts. But no, I don't
think that the Ferns are in a situation. I think
that's the point it actually if it goes into two
all and then into extra time, because then it shows that,
you know, have the Ferns actually stepped up as high
as we think.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
They have at the stage. So yeah, I'd be disappointed.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
If the Ferns didn't at least take one of these
two test matches in Australia, you know, because they Yeah,
just the shaer focus that they have and that they
developed off the court, and they need to bring that
onto the court. And now all I want to see
is just femor intersepts taken. And yeah, probably that's the
(09:30):
main thing. I just reduced the error raid because if
you have a look at it, Echanasio, I mean, she
really had a wonderful captain's role as goal attack, shot
when she needed to shoot, you know, and supported Grace
and NEWICKI really well. So at the moment, like I
looked at it and I'm going, I actually can't pick
the best player out of the Ferns, and then you
(09:51):
look at the Diamonds and you go, WHOA. Every single
player made mistakes in that game, and some of those
mistakes were unforced errors like breaking, there was a short pass,
and then there was one time like Jamie Lee Price
just let the ball drop out of her hand.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Those are things we don't expect from the Diamonds.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
So they may now turn around and have some hard
chats to see exactly where they're about, because they are
selling themselves short and they're selling also obviously Australia nipple
short for.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
More from sports talk. Listen live to News Talks it'd
be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on
iHeartRadio
You're listening to the sports Talk podcast with Duncy Wildergrave
from News Talk Zed.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be game over New Zealand, comprehensive winners over Australia for
the second game in a row again?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Is he ever?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Sixty three goals to fifty two?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
There are a couple of absolute trouserings. Diamonds are being
thrashed at the hands of the Ferns. I don't know
if anyone saw there coming after what happened in the
Tiny Jamison series. I know someone who might though. Her
name is Evonne Willering. She joins US now former Platform
of Silver Fins head coach. So where do those performances
come from, Yvonne and welcome. Yes.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Bit of a surprise for some, I'd say, especially you
know after the first is whether they could reproduce the effort,
and they certainly did.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
They did and it was not just a victory. These
were two well I don't say thrashings, but this is
pretty much as close as to getting international, wasn't it.
You just don't see scores like this at this level,
do you nah?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
And it was interesting because the Ferns actually did have
to step up just preparibility more than anything. Else because
people said, yeah, well the Diamonds and myself included that
the Diamonds did not play well in that first test
and the.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Ferns really took it to them.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
And what's interesting, the Ferns actually at the moment are
playing like Australia normally plays. And I think a lot
of work has been done in the Ferns camp off
the court, and I think that's been the whole, the
biggest change. It's their whole demeanor when they actually take
the court, which is fine, you know, like you can
have your shoulders back and strutting your stuff and having
(01:48):
that confidence so long as there's a win at the
end of it. And at the moment it's certainly going
the Ferns way now.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I think it was Maddy Gordon who said they're really
changing their outlook on the game when it comes to
playing the Aussies at their own game, playing with that
extra physicality and those shoulders and those elbows and you
give it to us, We're going to give it straight
back to you. That appears to be working. Is that
the way to go? Though?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
No?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah, I know, and I look at that and I'm going, oh,
and that's as a hard one, you know, because I
think that there are times when certainly New Zealanders and
that's not just a netball it's in sport generally, and
we tend to be soft, you know, and we pulled back,
whereas you know that any Australian team or they are
going in for the win. Now the importance is it
(02:32):
the performance or is it the win? And at the
moment it is the win, you know. And again that's
the credibility factor, especially after the tiny Jemison Trophy which
we lost obviously through England, and that hurt that really
would have hurt the first they didn't play well and
that was a trophy that they took a lot of
pride in. So they had to come out in this
(02:52):
game looking sharp and it was very much about the win.
And it's interesting because Echinasia I was talking about, you know,
some of the players had to do their dirty work,
they had to be the fighters. And yet when Dame
nol and Tarrua came onto, you know, to be interviewed,
she actually did meet it. Again, yes, but within the
(03:13):
skills of the game. And I looked at that and
if you have a look at it, and Berger and
Jackson have been really, and I pumped up in the
fact how good they were against the diamond Tackers, and
they were absolutely, they got into the heads of them,
they stopped shooting. But having said that, they also had
a huge penalty count against them, and that is something
(03:36):
I'd like to see reduced.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Former national team coach Silver Ferns from silver fern itself,
Evonne Willering joining us that that abrupt change in what
the players bring to the court. That can't be an
easy thing to do from a coaching perspective when you've
coached the same way for so long to expect such
a turnaround. This is quite the trick from Dame Noleane.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, and she's also got some brownie eckle. You know,
she's a specious coach that's coming from Australia, and I
think she has also had an influence in this whole thing,
because I don't forget she knows exactly where the Diamonds
are about, both on the court and off the court,
and I guess she is also helping to instill that.
So I think now it's a situation of actually finding
(04:23):
a fine line in that. So you know, the focus
absolutely has to be on performance. I mean, you put
the performance in the results will speak for themselves. So yeah,
I think they can take great heart from what they've done.
I think they've done some wonderful things. But having said that,
it was interesting. I said at the beginning, you know,
Bruce and Weston coming back into the Australian Diamonds was
(04:46):
going to add more value to them.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
They were not there.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
During the end when England was over in Australia, but
they were back. But they were actually both found wanting
and were both taken off at different times because they've
come back from injuries and they just did not have
the impact that they normally did have. And I guess
because they were coming off the injury, they just not
match fit. So I am expecting to see an Australian
(05:10):
team again, a wounded Australian team. You know, I've come
back stronger on Australian soil and it's really interesting. I
don't know if you know, but if it's now with
New Zealand going over to OS, if it stayed with
the old rules, even if the Australian Diamonds managed to
get two wins against the.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Ferns, the Ferns still would.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Have won the trophy. The Consolation Cup on gold differential.
But now if it does come to two all, then
it's a situation where they start again and they have
two seven minute.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Quarters to determine who the winner is.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
But the Ferns, and I'm really pleased they look at
it this way. They're saying, well, that's not going to happen.
We're going over there and we want to really nail
this game in Perth the third Test and sort of
then it's not a situation out oh, you know, if
it's a draw or anything else. So they're certainly going
in with a wonderful attitude in the game. And the
(06:05):
diamond they're in a situation, especially the coach who is
she going to put on the court to make a difference.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Historically after winning part of the series in New Zealand,
yet make over to Australia and they thrash us. This
is not a lay down massa out going all the
way over to Perth. So where do you think they
have to maintain intensity? Where can they lift their performance
the Silver Ferns to ensure they get the series done
over in Perth.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah, but don't forget that Diamonds also have to go
all the way over to Perth. So yeah, and that's
the situation. They've got to leave it behind and the
fact that they have always they they have been destroyed
on Australian soil. But they're going into this game differently.
It wasn't that the.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Ferns just won.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
These two first tests. They won it convincingly last night
and was seventeen eleven in that first quarter. So they
showed their dominance right from the start. So whilst they
they've got to be aware that the Australia are going
to get better, I think the Ferns actually are so
focused on their own game that it's irrelevant exactly what
(07:14):
the Diamonds are doing at the moment. And that's what
I'm saying. It's a total reversal and the Ferns are
definitely taking charge. And I think that no matter what
mid court the Ferns put on, the passing that they're
doing to Graceman Wiki is just spot on and really
not a different matter whether it's Cloud Western or Bruce
or Ariung from the Diamonds against her, nothing is working
(07:37):
for them. So the Diamonds at the moment, it just
doesn't look like they've got a B game plan. You know,
if something doesn't work, they're not looking, they're not making adjustments.
And I think that the Ferns do have a plan
B because they spoke about you know, about zones and
walls and everything else that was not done in either
(07:59):
of the first two tests. Basically it was one on
one rugged defense and anything that Australia got they have to.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Work damn hard for. So it's going to be interesting to.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
See whether the Ferns are going to change their pattern
for the third test, and that's why I'm really looking
forward to the game.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And as far as the Ciders, and you touched on
it before, this will be interesting as far as the
way the team plays and the way the replacements are
used coming into that final quarter. If there's a possibility
they've got to play two more seven minute periods, that
brings a whole new energy to the end of this game,
(08:38):
doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, but that's again for both teams. And don't forget
the Ferns. That fits absolutely. Hey, that was.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Always a requirement by Dame Noli Talor.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
That they had to reach a certain standard on THEYYO tests,
so that could come into counts. But no, I don't
think that the Ferns are in a situation. I think
that's the point it actually if it goes into two
all and then into extra time, because then it shows that,
you know, have the Ferns actually stepped up as high
as we think.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
They have at the stage. So yeah, I'd be disappointed.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
If the Ferns didn't at least take one of these
two test matches in Australia, you know, because they Yeah,
just the shaer focus that they have and that they
developed off the court, and they need to bring that
onto the court. And now all I want to see
is just femor intersepts taken. And yeah, probably that's the
(09:30):
main thing. I just reduced the error raid because if
you have a look at it, Echanasio, I mean, she
really had a wonderful captain's role as goal attack, shot
when she needed to shoot, you know, and supported Grace
and NEWICKI really well. So at the moment, like I
looked at it and I'm going, I actually can't pick
the best player out of the Ferns, and then you
(09:51):
look at the Diamonds and you go, WHOA. Every single
player made mistakes in that game, and some of those
mistakes were unforced errors like breaking, there was a short pass,
and then there was one time like Jamie Lee Price
just let the ball drop out of her hand.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Those are things we don't expect from the Diamonds.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
So they may now turn around and have some hard
chats to see exactly where they're about, because they are
selling themselves short and they're selling also obviously Australia nipple
short for.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
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