October 1, 2024 • 30 mins
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James McOnie joins ACC Head G Lane to break the news that Tim Southee aka The Sexy Camel has stepped down as the Black Caps Test Skipper (5:46), then questions the Crusaders' shock announcement of James O'Connor as their saviour at No. 10 (16:10)...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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for October the second.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:17):
I'll get a James mconey, how are you hey, g
Lane and good thanks, you know, good to be back
in here. I noticed that Mania is in the Middle East. Yes,
he's with one place where you're not supposed to be
right now.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
He's with his Habibi's and I don't know if you've
seen him in his in his dish dash, which is
the traditional Emarati white cloak and also the head dress
as well. Of he's been in Oman, and he did
say the last time he was in the Middle East,
they'd come up and speak Arabic to him and Hemibi
(00:49):
ah halak Abibi and he'd be like, ah New Zealand
because he looks so he looks like he belongs.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
What does habibi mean? Friend? Ah? I love? How are
you Bibi? You're good? Gel Ain't you just Arabic down line?
I lived here for a while.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I lived there, Sallysla all that kind of carry out.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well, most of when you go to a new place,
of the things that you absorb, locations of the nearest pub, yes,
and then whatever liquids you're allowed to consume. Yeah, well
that was pretty easy.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
In the Middle East, it's basically every hotel.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Are because they don't actually have pubs. There's no drinking
his band, except they turn a blind eye. Is that right?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Well, hotels basically the hotels are like a giant mall
of bars. So you go in and there's a hotel bar,
but then there's a rooftop bar, and then in the
basement there's an Irish bar, and then on the beach
there's a beach bar, and then they have a nightclub
on the top floor as well. So every hotel in
the Middle East has about five bars in it, so
(01:47):
you can have a whole night in one hotel and
just go from bar to bar. So that's how they
get around it. Because it's illegal to be drunk in
public intoxicated in public.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
That's why they don't do any breath testing.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
This is dangerous for Westerners as well because they don't
have breath testing because you shouldn't actually be drinking. So yeah,
by theory, they shouldn't be so what happens is if
you crash and you've been you're drunk, you're fucked, You're
pretty much you're done. Yeah, so you run for the
hills at that stage, maybe just get a taxi straight to.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
The airport, the Emirates economy. Yeah, to the river, to
the bottom of the earth.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
James McConney, have you ever been invited to one of
Jeremy Wells's white parties?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
No, I'm not wide enough clearly who kids there not
for that Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I haven't been invited either, but rumor is that he has.
He took a franchise of P Diddy's white parties and
he's been holding them in New Zealand for years.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Well, I know that he loves lube. Yeah. So I
mean when I as soon as they said the baby
oil thing, I thought, oh, Jerry.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I will. Neither of us been invited,
so maybe we'll have to get Jeremy on to discuss
as white parties.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Can I just say that I thought that Dinner on
Blanc whatever it was called, I thought that was one
of the winkiest things ever, the pop up pop up
dinners and everyone's wearing white and I'm like I would totally.
I'll go down there in my cricket creams pants. So
there's no way I'm not wearing white pants. I'm not
going out splashing out on a pair of white pants.
(03:18):
Does anyone want to see my VPL down on the waterfront, Yeah,
I'm not on the Viadact VPL on the Viadact.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I think that the greatest one of those white parties
or those dinner lan which was basically you went no no.
I saw pictures from it, which is just a disguised
P Diddy party. Really just make it French and it's okay,
but they they pop up. Was on the field at
Eating Park.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I'm so if it was a bit lame, yeah, I know,
it's the whole thing is I think it's died of
death now. It was just a little fad, but I
preferred dinner on noir. Yeah exactly. Yeah, get you your
black puff are out, which is what the still uniforms,
because you could get everyone's probably got a black shirt
(04:04):
of some kind, right, like yeah, I think in other nations,
I probably think, oh no, maybe that they wouldn't even
have that, But Kiwis have definitely got black in the wardrobe.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
We'll just check out a normal next game.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, exactly, you will. You've got them your merch. You've
got a black Caps top on right now, and then
so with your any national team, you've got your merch
and then you've got your black puffer yep. And then
generally if you've if you're a funeral goer, yeah, you'll
have especially if you're Maldy Adam will back me up
on this, you'll have a black shirt because you're not
(04:36):
always just wearing the jacket. But it is you have
to wear black. You have to, is there?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I mean, per capita, are we the biggest owners of
black puffer jackets in the world.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I mean, I think a lot of people won't necessarily
buy black straight away, whereas we look at it and
go yes, yeah, yeah, okay, I am this is me.
I'm I'm a kiwi. I'm a kiwi. This I live
in a to it or I'm wearing black.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
But even anything above top or for example, you probably
go for the vest, the puffer vest as opposed to
the full puffer jacket.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Ohither you're talking the alpha dad puffers. I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I'm talking finance bro kind of, but finance bro jackets
are a bit thinner. They're the thinner puffer jacket. They're
the kind of.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, the medium skinny, skinny piping or the skinny horizontal lines,
skinny stitching. Yeah, I know that's that means you're not
going full puffa. I've been sponsored by mac Packet Craig
as Weld, so I've seen the fuller array of puffers. Yes,
and I've I've got a Finance bro Alpha Dad puffery
little and it's it does. It is quite nice actually,
(05:40):
but then you when you're out there in a vest,
you do realize that you are you.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Look a bit of a dick.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah. Hey, speaking of I've got my black Caps top on.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I should probably have my black Caps supporters support grip
tissued on Big News this morning James mcconey, Oh Ship,
Big News. Tim Soudy has zion from the Test captaincy
at the end of the Shrilankan tour just before they
fly out to India, and Tom Latham has been announced
as the new captain.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Saw me, Tom Latham, He's been circling for a while.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Oh yeah, and you called it years ago when he
was circling around Kan Williamson late at night when you
set that set, that regrettable set that bombshell out on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
No one takes my text seriously one text, they're like, oh,
jump on this, and I mean, yeah, I had heard something.
But do you know what in our line of work,
g Lane, I think you know, because we're not right
there in the mainstream media, we hold on to a
lot more bombshells. Yes, I know, probably stories that will
maybe come out next week. But I'm not going to
(06:44):
break your breaking news on Craig as well, because no
one goes a shit. It's like you're there to entertain us.
We don't care about your scoops. So whereas that was
the one time where I went, oh, this sounds a
bit like a Muppet question for you, James mcconey, this
happened in Sri Lanka. Do you think it happened in
Gaul before they flew out to India? Do you think
(07:06):
it happened in the exact same hotel room as the
Ross Taylor sacking. Oh wow, yes, exactly, I know what
you're talking about. Yeah, when the shafting, Yeah, as something
in the air, Yeah, well exactly, that's the thing. Never
go well, this is a weird thing isn't it. I
(07:27):
think Tim, just given his age, there's going to be
a replacement happening at some point. I'm thinking it was
going to be the end of the summer. Yeah it was.
It was going to be really it was going to
happen anyway. But mentioning it mid tour like he's been
getting a slap on the wrist. I don't think that
that's necessary. That's just my feeling. I reckon Tim the
(07:48):
sexy camel has been a great servant. Just say to him, heymte,
I think BT dubs to see your last tour, but
we'll let you go to the end of the tour
and say, okay, that's it from me. Have really loved
taking over the team in this interim period, but it's
time for Tom to lead. It would have been a
classier way to do it. Yeah, is it? And look
it's Tom.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Latham is not exactly firing on all cylinders either. He
hasn't scored a century in quite a few seasons. He's
adding only averaging just under thirty five.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
He's one of those matters that's getting to the fifth
or sixth innings and then suddenly totally redeems himself and
so he's due for one and he's going to go
and play India.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
So and the press release came out this morning. Gary
Stead was obviously the pr person, wrote all his quotes
for him, which I'll read them out to you. And
you know, we play Cliche assistant coach Cliche Bingo in
all black games in Super Rugby at halftime.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
This is good.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
This is this one. You'll be dinging all the way through,
so Gary said said, Tim's a fantastic player and a
very good leader who is held in high regard by
the teams, by the players and support stuff. Yeah, is
this a good one? This is one. He's been a
great servant of New Zealand cricket over nearly seventeen years
playing on the international stage, and I'd like to acknowledge
(09:03):
his humility and stepping down from the role as team captain.
It's not easy giving up on something you love, but
Tim is a true team man and he's made the
decision with the team's best interest at heart. He's one
of our greatest ever players and we'll still very much
see him playing a part in our test side moving forward.
Do you reckon he's going to drop him for the
next test for Matt Henry.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah, well maybe that's what what he's setting him up for,
because maybe that's why it has to be done, because
dropping your captain on tour feels unprecedented, right, That's probably
why bats is even though they say, oh it's better
to have a batter as captain, there's no real reason
apart from it's just tradition.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, I guess it's also quite difficult as a bowling captain.
It's always quite hard to bring yourself on and take
yourself off, you know what I mean, that's always a
harder decision. I think that's why traditionally it's usually being.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I know that's a reason, but I mean if your
best tactician is a bowler, then there should be no Yeah,
it doesn't actually matter. That's why I was like, okay, yeah,
it's tough because I think on those Indian tours we've
had one seeman in some games, right yeah, and a
part timer maybe a Darryl a Daryl Mitchell. Yeah, maybe
(10:22):
that's why they had to do it mid tour. It
just feels like even the Wagner retirement was a bit
muddy as well.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Even the Gapta one was muddy as well. Everyone, it
seems the only one that went to plan was Ross Taylor.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, everyone else have sucked up. Yeah, exactly. Ross had
a sort of procession. He knew when he when he
was bowing out. They had a really nice day, wasn't
it with the family on the field and it was
a beautiful thing and.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
His mum came out.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, it was so lovely. That was That was actually
quite a really sort of moving moment, wasn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
The other ones I think have just gone a bit right.
But saying that Tom Laysam has taken over the captaincy
and heading to India for three test matches in Bangalore,
Pune and wan Keedy Stadium, So he's up against it's
its name. I know that the the local commentators called
it wang Keedy, but all of the Western commentators are
too scared to say whan Kety, so they say Wahiti.
(11:19):
They kind of lose the k and they go Wahiti
and they say.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
It's wan ketty.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
You hear the every other Indian commentator calls it wan
key Exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
When you're in wang Kety, you go with the wang Kety.
That's what I mean. I can't see a problem with
saying wang key, what's the word? Funck is the man?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, And there was a great piece of footage of
the day of Peter Crouch and I think.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
It was we said country every day.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, we do all the time, Rio Ferdinand and it
was Peter Crouch. They were hosting a game from Wangdorf Stadium.
Oh yeah boys, you boys, And I think it was
a Europa League game or something, and there was a
female BBC one host with it. She goes, right, yeah,
welcome to Okay, let's get this off your chest. Okay,
(12:02):
we're going to do it once and then we're going
to move on. She goes welcome to Wankedorf Stadium and
food and then in the beta gratch ye They're like okay,
that's it.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Let's move on.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
It was a great, great way to approach that. But
there's going to be more breakdown of this with Dylan Cleaver,
Paul Ford, Oh, Jason Hoyt heavy Yeah. Clever is going
to listen to that the BYC podcast, which will be
out this afternoon. Other cricket news. We'll take a quick
break and I come back with a shocking statistic from
Australian cricket around Pat Cummins and Mitchell Stark. James McCarney,
(12:38):
did you know that Pat Cummins and Mitchell Stark so
in the IPL with their auction prices last year they
each earned more money bowling two balls playing franchise cricket
then for five days of Test cricket and the beggy
green two balls.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Really yeah, who's this?
Speaker 1 (13:01):
So their franchise cricket, Pat Commings and Mitchell Stark, Oh
my god, So all their franchise contracts put together, they
made more money bowling two balls than five days of
hard graft and baggy ground.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
So they did bowl more than two balls. Yeah, but
just those two balls are worth more.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, that shows that shows the power of that short
form game.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Way more than they boil two balls, they get the
same amount of money.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Else. The weird thing about T twenty International cricket and
let's someone get lost in the weeds on this g lane.
But that's the format that all the smaller nations have
to play, Like if you're a minno nation like some
more one that qualification tournament in the Pacific recently it's
a T twenty tournament. Yeah, so there's no way they're
not even allowed to play fifty over one days. So
(13:47):
if you are a great test bowler from some more
or Papua New Guinea stiff shit, you're playing T twenty
and that is it. Yeah, because there's no test for you.
So the ic C, I think there's twelve nations are
they that are allowed to play tests? Ten or twelve whatever?
Afghanistan is the latest one to be to be able
(14:08):
to play Ireland. I don't know anyone yet anyway. Everyone
else no, no dice. Whereas I sort of think there
needs to be a pathway for the minnows to say,
if you're the best test nation of the minnows, it
comes through and you've got a reasonable team. Why not
because I think some more with DNA's son bowling and
(14:30):
is it Solu who plays for Auckland, he's in there
as well. I'm like batting, So yeah, you can have
a good test team there.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I think the issue with that is five days of
test cricket. Most of these most of these players are
amateur professional. You can't take five days off work to
go and play test match.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, I know there's no way, there's no way they can. Yeah,
that will just blow the budget. But anyway, Yeah, I
should say Solomon Nasha, I shouldn't just call them Dion
Nasha's son soul. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I saw him play actually in the November five Day
Test match up and Cod and Oval, oh right last year,
and he tore them apart. And he bowls so much
like Dion Nash.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah, like the tight little kind of.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Way drifts off the wicket and everything good better too.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Combat combat. So was that this Seddon park Leads having
to face up to him?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
He was playing for the November eleven I think I
think they might have maybe they might have recruited.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Boys to go. Yeah, I think this is going to
be fun.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Siden Crackit Club versus November. That's happening again actually in
November and been played at Saint Paul's and we're playing
a T twenty match against the Chiefs. So you're gonna
have to come down and oh, well you're going to
can't umpire. You're going to have to play for us.
It's the A C C versus the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You know what happens whenever I played for you or
blow a car. I think it's just us.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I think you'll blow a cap umpiring cultively yeah, well that's.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Going to be that. Where what's the date? That one
is a Friday?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I think it's Friday, the maybe twenty first of Okay, yeah, okay,
I let you know about that. But the five day
Test match is happening St. Paul's Collegiate November versus.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It only lasts three days.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
It's a bunch of old battlers and they basically they'd
like to think they could play five days, but it
never goes five days. Yeah. Hey, some rugby news Jays mcconey.
Justin Bieber James o'cons O'Connor is rumored to be in
talks with the Crusaders to fill their first five role,
given that last year the Crusaders had five, they chose
(16:27):
five verst five.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Eights throughout the season.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Rivers Rayhanna, Taha Kimata, David Hevili, Riley Hohepper and Fergus
Burke all played first five and now they've approached the
thirty four year old Justin Bieber.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Well, one thing I would say is I like all
those first fives. They tried those options. Obviously, Fergus Burk
being the one that got away is with Saracens. Now
I do notice that there's no Tasmund names in that list.
I mean, you are the Crusaders region. What's wrong with
the guys who when you won the ra and Philly
Shield the other day one of the first fives there's
(17:00):
fifty five meter goal to.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Win it, will is will he Heavily the first five will.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
He Heavily has won. Well, he's with but there isn't
There are a couple that play in that squad who
are pretty good, including the guy who came on and
kicked that winning goal. So all I'm saying is like
the lack of Tasman first fives, let's not count David
Havilly because he's only just filled in there once. I think,
yeah or twice is a little bit glaring for me.
(17:25):
If you are a true regional team, what's what's wrong
with you? Tazzy boys? Are we are?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
We are Super Rugby's truly regional teams.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Though well they get them from anywhere, right, But I
just think that you know that they've played to a
high level. Tasman have won the NPC recently, they've won
the Shield. I don't think they've ever finished lower than
the six of bloody Good. There must be some first
fives coming out of Nelson College. Surely he's a good
one with a mullet coming out right now, but he's
probably too young. The thing is, I think people overthink
(17:56):
first five. Can I go into a little bit of
a first five rant? I just look at that, Yes, Ken, okay, Yeah,
it is a tough position, but it's actually probably if
you've got the skills, it's probably one of the easier
positions to play.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
It's just as a former first five.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, because you get the kick, you get the pass
not under that much pressure either. You and you've got
forward pods there looking after you there giving you the
ball sort of a back ball right now, so you
get you start your back line further away from the defense.
It's like, I think it's a pretty cool position. And
if you've got a fullback of kicks or a second
(18:32):
five of you kicks, they take all that pressure off you.
If you've got a a halfback who loves to kick box,
then that's another percentage of your kick. So even your
exit plays an't your problem half the time. I'm like, going,
so you just want someone who talks a lot and passes,
I mean, come on, then then you're looking for the
personality that you need one thing. The other day on
(18:52):
the breakdown, Isaac Boss said, Cam Royguard he coached them
as a junior with the Waikatur Schools teams or whatever.
He said he was a really good first five as well,
even though he plays halfback. And I thought that's actually
quite interesting because what happens if Cortez and Noah Hotham
as good as what we think they're going to be
and you got three halfbacks. I mean, why doesn't Cam
(19:16):
quite a big unit?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
A big unit. I sat next to him on the plane.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, he's not small. Why isn't Cam shuffle out to
first five and give another option? Anyway, this is just
first five chat the year.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Oh great first five chat. But I always wondered with Bieber. Yeah,
he's been around forever. He's thirty four, Justin Bieber. But
the reason we call him Bieber is because he I
didn't realize he debuted in Super Rugby as a seventeen
year old.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I know, he was so young Perth. He was with
the Western Force. They did a story on him like
we was sort of going to the school ball and
then coming out and playing for Western Force. It was crazy, really,
just at how he had moved so young.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, I didn't really, I didn't quite realize he David
is a seventeen year old and became the second younger
ever Wallaby later that year.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
He looks so young as well. I mean like back
then he looks like a different person now, yeah he does.
He does.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Call Justin Bieber, he looks like a very weathered Justin Bieber.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, so, and then Bebes probably can relate, right. But
the other thing is like, if you look at Carter
young and Carter when he retired, not too much difference.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, you're right, but I tell you, I tell you who.
I tell you who looks different from starting to retirement,
and that it's open side flankers Sam k and Richie McCaw.
You look at them both, they look so fresh faced.
And by the end of it, Conrad Smith was the same.
Conrad Smith when he started was quite a good looking,
dashing young lawyer. By the end of it is he
(20:42):
looked his face was like a welders bench. He'd been
knocked around so much.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, he got he got so good by the end
as well. I reckon because even when he came in
he was just definitely the gliding player who set up
his outsides. But then by the end he just was
just one of the most important people on the team.
He threw a bit her seafield. I think in that
Rugby World Cup Final twenty fifteen when he got sub
for Sunny Bill because he played a bloody good first half,
(21:08):
I think he set up and there he did that
sort of half folly off the ground and set up
to try it anyway. Yeah, apparently he was like, yeah,
he was livid. I'm blame him.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I didn't also realize that I'm in shocked by Baber constantly.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I realized both his parents are Kiwis and he's got
a New Zealand passport.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yes, two peninsula. He's from my neck of the woods. Yeah,
yeah he is.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So we produced a player which we love to hate
for many years. Yeah, many many years. And same with
who's the one that was born out of Tokodor.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Wait Cooperait Cooper.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
The two people that New Zealand rugby fans love to
hate the most were born in New Zealand. Yea, they're ours,
that's our fault.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I was forced to rewatch that Hong Kong test where
where Beaver kind of blotted his copybook and you know,
flushed his his career down the toilet. We ted did
and Beaver was bloody good in that and then at
last that last play. But also, why are you putting
making Kevin me hooker? Possibly being played the whole game,
(22:07):
I'm not sure, But anyway, mark up against Bebes a
nineteen year old just full of a snapper full of beans.
Yeah it's no, yeah, exactly, you just skin them and
just scored that try and then it all came back
to Beaver. But also in that same game, Dan Carter
(22:28):
miss the shocker of a tackle on Adam Ashley Cooper
that led in a try, but no one remembers that
because when you're when you're Goat status.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah you can do it the hell you want, that's right,
and when and then when you're Beaver status.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah everything, What are you doing that for? What do
you do that for?
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Speaker 3 (23:01):
Have you tried the big KESHI lovely hearts big nuts.
I've always wanted to try, like.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
As salty big nuts or as Sultan vinegar nuts.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
No I did. I tried his barbecue nuts. Oh, I
think they were in here. You brought that.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, I prefer the Sultan vinegar nuts.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Oh yeah, salty nuts.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, I love is the salted ones sulted with a
little bit of vinegar on it. I see vinegar and
salt nuts. Actually a bunch of snacker Changi's will say
some refreshments as well.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, it feels like you're wrapping up the pop. But
I just wanted to ask you bleeders load too. I
mean you were in here commentators. Oh yeah, did you
have any any thoughts on who did well and who
might go on the Northern tour might not?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I am so relieved that Wallas side TD played so
well because I was so worried when he got selected in.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
South Africa at six.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I was like, fucking hell, he's twenty two. He could
get he could get creamed here and he might not
recover from this. And then he played really well and
then started again. And I'm so glad he's played well
because I was worried because I love him so much.
I was worried that this much pressure, this early out
of position because I prefer HM at eight as a
running number eight. I thought he was like outstanding.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah, he was the player of the d D and
he was by far the best in show. Definitely, just
every game he's improved and looks quite home at six
as well. Like you say, it's kind of it's the
biggest hospital pass. Quite often they've been. Remember Victor Vito
playing a test at six and maybe at the g
(24:33):
or Indoor Stadium in Melbourne, missus tackle on the blind
side honestly, talk back callers straight into him exactly and
it's like what was he doing? Blah blah, And I'm like,
oh my god, one blindside move that you missed your
your assignment. It was just fury and I thought I
just didn't want that to happen to well, the same
(24:54):
as you. But he was great. I think the one
thing I've noticed is that watching alb he played almost
a full game. I think, yeah, just he is. He's
a steady the ship guy here, so steady the ship
runs it straight and hard. Do we need a cap
for alb What we need a cap like I had? Oh,
(25:17):
we needed some. But he does run it straight, he
straightens a line, he does all those little things that
I mean. Sometimes I think that we're blissed because we've
got JORDI I think you need the ud on. He's
he's your number twelve and then we're thirteen. He's the
KYLB there. Well, I love Rico, so that's the thing.
The problem is word Rico consider going out onto the
(25:38):
wing again?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Quick enough?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Got enough these days? I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I thought, also, Cody's eight percent Cody Taylor, he's getting
better and better.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I think he's the best player of the season. Anything. Fuck,
he's good.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I thought, Well, Jordan looked great at fullback. It's great
to have him back in the side. Every time he
got the ball.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Clark Chu Clark and Caleb Clark cling you nickname Cheer
but has been retired. We have a new name thanks
to Caitlyn, who's a I think young Caitlyn because it
was a dad that texted in saying his daughter Caitlyn
came up with Chu Clarker, and I think that's going
to take off.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I don't know if he's going to be more happy
with Chu Clarker. I don't know if he's going to
be more happy with that. Anyway, go back to the
other question around the Northern Tour, as a Northern tour
is a chance to then blood new players into next season.
For example, will t J Peter Nada go? Will they
send came roy Guard and Sneakers and Hotham?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I think roy Gard hasn't played enough rugby. I think
TJ will go. Do you think came Roygad can play
in the New Zealand fifteen or whatever? It's going to
be touring as well. So I'm wondering about a guy
like Peter Larkeye as well. What do you This Northern
tour looks too tough because you've got England, Ireland, France
(26:54):
and then Italy at the end. So to to is
he No? I don't think is going to make it?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
So okay? What about let's look at other positions. So
Sam Kine, he's off to Japan for three years. Yep,
do you bother taking him on the Northern Yes.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Hundred percentause you've got you've lost so much leadership over
the past year with you know, Captain kve Man's gone,
Aaron Smith all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well, does Peter Lucky come in?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
And Sam?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Thanks very much, he's your hundredth cap. You go after
Japan next year?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Can lack I go in Z fifteen for half the
tour and then and then still a bit of a
switchero come over? So what's that?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
What's the news on fifteen tour?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Sorry?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
What's running at the same time? I don't know in
other parts of Europe? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, okay, so
they've got two squads over there which they can Yeah.
Quite clever, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
It's quite clever, So they'll be able to do that.
I don't think there'll be any any any great changes really.
I think that game by beating the Wallabies by twenty
points there at the end pretty much locks and a
lot of people. But one player who I think has
probably made the greatest strides this year, apart from Wallace,
a t who's like the bolter of bolters is two
po Vi is now Mahi monster when he the Maney
(28:02):
monster trying to get off the ground. When when when
he plays now I know, so when he gets named
or when he's talked about everyone goes, oh we obviously
we've got Tupov, whereas before, even even at the start
of the season, people are you know, there's some people
are non chiefs. Fans would have been rolling their eyes
at two V and now yes, oh god, and now
(28:24):
you look at him and go back in the highlights.
He's often the first receiver. He's got those silky skills.
Plus he's the clean out king. He just goes for people.
I love him.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
You've got Sam Darry as well, and you got dog Roll.
So I think the locks.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Wise it would good because put Petty Toops is Ba
Toops is back as well.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
He played when he came off the bench, he played.
I thought he played out standing in the last fifteen
to twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
He just brought up.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
He just bought some sort of mona and presence rop
a big man. Same with Tossy Tossy Tossy just a
bag unit. I love the fact we've got too massive
one hundred and forty kg plus now into Mighty Williams
and him, because I'm always jealous when I see the
spring Box and even Argentina and England and everything in
(29:10):
these they bring out thesebsolute monsters, but they don't look
as big in a black jersey, you know, se I
always think that when the spring Box come out. I
don't know if that's their cut of their jersey or
the English with their white jeweys swimming.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Why do you think I'm wearing.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
It to that? But I think we need to change
jerseys then, because it doesn't look as intimidate.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
You don't want to hear of your moves. That's why
we lost in those light gray jerseys. People. Every player
with mobs was very self conscious in card If you
already noticed it, it's a confidence thing. It's a confidence thing.
You sing. You out there with light gray shows every
single sweat ring, it shows every single.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
When you're sweating under your moos.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Love handles and moves on full display in Cardiff two
thousand and seven. That's the reason we lost. Let's own it.
It's wardrobe choice.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
A great way to add in the podcast, Well see
that tomorrow is the return of the Habibi himself, Stuart.
He'll be in bits and pieces tomorrow. I guarantee you
if he extended his holiday after the beer Aden tour,
I'm sure he looked after himself and convalesced well.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Minight is one of the few people who pushes that,
you know, the KEB and Crew button, Like before they've
even taken off, He's pushed that button and it's all
for beers.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And also, I'm speaking of Star Wars. Often after one
of these trips he comes back looking like Emperor Palpatine.
Oh the eyes, the eyes, the eyes have gone smoking
too many daries, crushing too many beers. So the return
of Emperor Palpatine tomorrow, see you later.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:17):
I'll get a James mconey, how are you hey, g
Lane and good thanks, you know, good to be back
in here. I noticed that Mania is in the Middle East. Yes,
he's with one place where you're not supposed to be
right now.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
He's with his Habibi's and I don't know if you've
seen him in his in his dish dash, which is
the traditional Emarati white cloak and also the head dress
as well. Of he's been in Oman, and he did
say the last time he was in the Middle East,
they'd come up and speak Arabic to him and Hemibi
(00:49):
ah halak Abibi and he'd be like, ah New Zealand
because he looks so he looks like he belongs.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
What does habibi mean? Friend? Ah? I love? How are
you Bibi? You're good? Gel Ain't you just Arabic down line?
I lived here for a while.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I lived there, Sallysla all that kind of carry out.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well, most of when you go to a new place,
of the things that you absorb, locations of the nearest pub, yes,
and then whatever liquids you're allowed to consume. Yeah, well
that was pretty easy.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
In the Middle East, it's basically every hotel.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Are because they don't actually have pubs. There's no drinking
his band, except they turn a blind eye. Is that right?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Well, hotels basically the hotels are like a giant mall
of bars. So you go in and there's a hotel bar,
but then there's a rooftop bar, and then in the
basement there's an Irish bar, and then on the beach
there's a beach bar, and then they have a nightclub
on the top floor as well. So every hotel in
the Middle East has about five bars in it, so
(01:47):
you can have a whole night in one hotel and
just go from bar to bar. So that's how they
get around it. Because it's illegal to be drunk in
public intoxicated in public.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
That's why they don't do any breath testing.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
This is dangerous for Westerners as well because they don't
have breath testing because you shouldn't actually be drinking. So yeah,
by theory, they shouldn't be so what happens is if
you crash and you've been you're drunk, you're fucked, You're
pretty much you're done. Yeah, so you run for the
hills at that stage, maybe just get a taxi straight to.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
The airport, the Emirates economy. Yeah, to the river, to
the bottom of the earth.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
James McConney, have you ever been invited to one of
Jeremy Wells's white parties?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
No, I'm not wide enough clearly who kids there not
for that Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I haven't been invited either, but rumor is that he has.
He took a franchise of P Diddy's white parties and
he's been holding them in New Zealand for years.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Well, I know that he loves lube. Yeah. So I
mean when I as soon as they said the baby
oil thing, I thought, oh, Jerry.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I will. Neither of us been invited,
so maybe we'll have to get Jeremy on to discuss
as white parties.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Can I just say that I thought that Dinner on
Blanc whatever it was called, I thought that was one
of the winkiest things ever, the pop up pop up
dinners and everyone's wearing white and I'm like I would totally.
I'll go down there in my cricket creams pants. So
there's no way I'm not wearing white pants. I'm not
going out splashing out on a pair of white pants.
(03:18):
Does anyone want to see my VPL down on the waterfront, Yeah,
I'm not on the Viadact VPL on the Viadact.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I think that the greatest one of those white parties
or those dinner lan which was basically you went no no.
I saw pictures from it, which is just a disguised
P Diddy party. Really just make it French and it's okay,
but they they pop up. Was on the field at
Eating Park.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I'm so if it was a bit lame, yeah, I know,
it's the whole thing is I think it's died of
death now. It was just a little fad, but I
preferred dinner on noir. Yeah exactly. Yeah, get you your
black puff are out, which is what the still uniforms,
because you could get everyone's probably got a black shirt
(04:04):
of some kind, right, like yeah, I think in other nations,
I probably think, oh no, maybe that they wouldn't even
have that, But Kiwis have definitely got black in the wardrobe.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
We'll just check out a normal next game.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, exactly, you will. You've got them your merch. You've
got a black Caps top on right now, and then
so with your any national team, you've got your merch
and then you've got your black puffer yep. And then
generally if you've if you're a funeral goer, yeah, you'll
have especially if you're Maldy Adam will back me up
on this, you'll have a black shirt because you're not
(04:36):
always just wearing the jacket. But it is you have
to wear black. You have to, is there?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I mean, per capita, are we the biggest owners of
black puffer jackets in the world.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I mean, I think a lot of people won't necessarily
buy black straight away, whereas we look at it and
go yes, yeah, yeah, okay, I am this is me.
I'm I'm a kiwi. I'm a kiwi. This I live
in a to it or I'm wearing black.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
But even anything above top or for example, you probably
go for the vest, the puffer vest as opposed to
the full puffer jacket.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Ohither you're talking the alpha dad puffers. I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I'm talking finance bro kind of, but finance bro jackets
are a bit thinner. They're the thinner puffer jacket. They're
the kind of.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, the medium skinny, skinny piping or the skinny horizontal lines,
skinny stitching. Yeah, I know that's that means you're not
going full puffa. I've been sponsored by mac Packet Craig
as Weld, so I've seen the fuller array of puffers. Yes,
and I've I've got a Finance bro Alpha Dad puffery
little and it's it does. It is quite nice actually,
(05:40):
but then you when you're out there in a vest,
you do realize that you are you.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Look a bit of a dick.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah. Hey, speaking of I've got my black Caps top on.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I should probably have my black Caps supporters support grip
tissued on Big News this morning James mcconey, Oh Ship,
Big News. Tim Soudy has zion from the Test captaincy
at the end of the Shrilankan tour just before they
fly out to India, and Tom Latham has been announced
as the new captain.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Saw me, Tom Latham, He's been circling for a while.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Oh yeah, and you called it years ago when he
was circling around Kan Williamson late at night when you
set that set, that regrettable set that bombshell out on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
No one takes my text seriously one text, they're like, oh,
jump on this, and I mean, yeah, I had heard something.
But do you know what in our line of work,
g Lane, I think you know, because we're not right
there in the mainstream media, we hold on to a
lot more bombshells. Yes, I know, probably stories that will
maybe come out next week. But I'm not going to
(06:44):
break your breaking news on Craig as well, because no
one goes a shit. It's like you're there to entertain us.
We don't care about your scoops. So whereas that was
the one time where I went, oh, this sounds a
bit like a Muppet question for you, James mcconey, this
happened in Sri Lanka. Do you think it happened in
Gaul before they flew out to India? Do you think
(07:06):
it happened in the exact same hotel room as the
Ross Taylor sacking. Oh wow, yes, exactly, I know what
you're talking about. Yeah, when the shafting, Yeah, as something
in the air, Yeah, well exactly, that's the thing. Never
go well, this is a weird thing isn't it. I
(07:27):
think Tim, just given his age, there's going to be
a replacement happening at some point. I'm thinking it was
going to be the end of the summer. Yeah it was.
It was going to be really it was going to
happen anyway. But mentioning it mid tour like he's been
getting a slap on the wrist. I don't think that
that's necessary. That's just my feeling. I reckon Tim the
(07:48):
sexy camel has been a great servant. Just say to him, heymte,
I think BT dubs to see your last tour, but
we'll let you go to the end of the tour
and say, okay, that's it from me. Have really loved
taking over the team in this interim period, but it's
time for Tom to lead. It would have been a
classier way to do it. Yeah, is it? And look
it's Tom.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Latham is not exactly firing on all cylinders either. He
hasn't scored a century in quite a few seasons. He's
adding only averaging just under thirty five.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
He's one of those matters that's getting to the fifth
or sixth innings and then suddenly totally redeems himself and
so he's due for one and he's going to go
and play India.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
So and the press release came out this morning. Gary
Stead was obviously the pr person, wrote all his quotes
for him, which I'll read them out to you. And
you know, we play Cliche assistant coach Cliche Bingo in
all black games in Super Rugby at halftime.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
This is good.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
This is this one. You'll be dinging all the way through,
so Gary said said, Tim's a fantastic player and a
very good leader who is held in high regard by
the teams, by the players and support stuff. Yeah, is
this a good one? This is one. He's been a
great servant of New Zealand cricket over nearly seventeen years
playing on the international stage, and I'd like to acknowledge
(09:03):
his humility and stepping down from the role as team captain.
It's not easy giving up on something you love, but
Tim is a true team man and he's made the
decision with the team's best interest at heart. He's one
of our greatest ever players and we'll still very much
see him playing a part in our test side moving forward.
Do you reckon he's going to drop him for the
next test for Matt Henry.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah, well maybe that's what what he's setting him up for,
because maybe that's why it has to be done, because
dropping your captain on tour feels unprecedented, right, That's probably
why bats is even though they say, oh it's better
to have a batter as captain, there's no real reason
apart from it's just tradition.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, I guess it's also quite difficult as a bowling captain.
It's always quite hard to bring yourself on and take
yourself off, you know what I mean, that's always a
harder decision. I think that's why traditionally it's usually being.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I know that's a reason, but I mean if your
best tactician is a bowler, then there should be no Yeah,
it doesn't actually matter. That's why I was like, okay, yeah,
it's tough because I think on those Indian tours we've
had one seeman in some games, right yeah, and a
part timer maybe a Darryl a Daryl Mitchell. Yeah, maybe
(10:22):
that's why they had to do it mid tour. It
just feels like even the Wagner retirement was a bit
muddy as well.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Even the Gapta one was muddy as well. Everyone, it
seems the only one that went to plan was Ross Taylor.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, everyone else have sucked up. Yeah, exactly. Ross had
a sort of procession. He knew when he when he
was bowing out. They had a really nice day, wasn't
it with the family on the field and it was
a beautiful thing and.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
His mum came out.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, it was so lovely. That was That was actually
quite a really sort of moving moment, wasn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
The other ones I think have just gone a bit right.
But saying that Tom Laysam has taken over the captaincy
and heading to India for three test matches in Bangalore,
Pune and wan Keedy Stadium, So he's up against it's
its name. I know that the the local commentators called
it wang Keedy, but all of the Western commentators are
too scared to say whan Kety, so they say Wahiti.
(11:19):
They kind of lose the k and they go Wahiti
and they say.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
It's wan ketty.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
You hear the every other Indian commentator calls it wan
key Exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
When you're in wang Kety, you go with the wang Kety.
That's what I mean. I can't see a problem with
saying wang key, what's the word? Funck is the man?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, And there was a great piece of footage of
the day of Peter Crouch and I think.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
It was we said country every day.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, we do all the time, Rio Ferdinand and it
was Peter Crouch. They were hosting a game from Wangdorf Stadium.
Oh yeah boys, you boys, And I think it was
a Europa League game or something, and there was a
female BBC one host with it. She goes, right, yeah,
welcome to Okay, let's get this off your chest. Okay,
(12:02):
we're going to do it once and then we're going
to move on. She goes welcome to Wankedorf Stadium and
food and then in the beta gratch ye They're like okay,
that's it.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Let's move on.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
It was a great, great way to approach that. But
there's going to be more breakdown of this with Dylan Cleaver,
Paul Ford, Oh, Jason Hoyt heavy Yeah. Clever is going
to listen to that the BYC podcast, which will be
out this afternoon. Other cricket news. We'll take a quick
break and I come back with a shocking statistic from
Australian cricket around Pat Cummins and Mitchell Stark. James McCarney,
(12:38):
did you know that Pat Cummins and Mitchell Stark so
in the IPL with their auction prices last year they
each earned more money bowling two balls playing franchise cricket
then for five days of Test cricket and the beggy
green two balls.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Really yeah, who's this?
Speaker 1 (13:01):
So their franchise cricket, Pat Commings and Mitchell Stark, Oh
my god, So all their franchise contracts put together, they
made more money bowling two balls than five days of
hard graft and baggy ground.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
So they did bowl more than two balls. Yeah, but
just those two balls are worth more.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, that shows that shows the power of that short
form game.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Way more than they boil two balls, they get the
same amount of money.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Else. The weird thing about T twenty International cricket and
let's someone get lost in the weeds on this g lane.
But that's the format that all the smaller nations have
to play, Like if you're a minno nation like some
more one that qualification tournament in the Pacific recently it's
a T twenty tournament. Yeah, so there's no way they're
not even allowed to play fifty over one days. So
(13:47):
if you are a great test bowler from some more
or Papua New Guinea stiff shit, you're playing T twenty
and that is it. Yeah, because there's no test for you.
So the ic C, I think there's twelve nations are
they that are allowed to play tests? Ten or twelve whatever?
Afghanistan is the latest one to be to be able
(14:08):
to play Ireland. I don't know anyone yet anyway. Everyone
else no, no dice. Whereas I sort of think there
needs to be a pathway for the minnows to say,
if you're the best test nation of the minnows, it
comes through and you've got a reasonable team. Why not
because I think some more with DNA's son bowling and
(14:30):
is it Solu who plays for Auckland, he's in there
as well. I'm like batting, So yeah, you can have
a good test team there.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I think the issue with that is five days of
test cricket. Most of these most of these players are
amateur professional. You can't take five days off work to
go and play test match.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, I know there's no way, there's no way they can. Yeah,
that will just blow the budget. But anyway, Yeah, I
should say Solomon Nasha, I shouldn't just call them Dion
Nasha's son soul. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I saw him play actually in the November five Day
Test match up and Cod and Oval, oh right last year,
and he tore them apart. And he bowls so much
like Dion Nash.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah, like the tight little kind of.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Way drifts off the wicket and everything good better too.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Combat combat. So was that this Seddon park Leads having
to face up to him?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
He was playing for the November eleven I think I
think they might have maybe they might have recruited.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Boys to go. Yeah, I think this is going to
be fun.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Siden Crackit Club versus November. That's happening again actually in
November and been played at Saint Paul's and we're playing
a T twenty match against the Chiefs. So you're gonna
have to come down and oh, well you're going to
can't umpire. You're going to have to play for us.
It's the A C C versus the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You know what happens whenever I played for you or
blow a car. I think it's just us.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I think you'll blow a cap umpiring cultively yeah, well that's.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Going to be that. Where what's the date? That one
is a Friday?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I think it's Friday, the maybe twenty first of Okay, yeah, okay,
I let you know about that. But the five day
Test match is happening St. Paul's Collegiate November versus.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It only lasts three days.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
It's a bunch of old battlers and they basically they'd
like to think they could play five days, but it
never goes five days. Yeah. Hey, some rugby news Jays mcconey.
Justin Bieber James o'cons O'Connor is rumored to be in
talks with the Crusaders to fill their first five role,
given that last year the Crusaders had five, they chose
(16:27):
five verst five.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Eights throughout the season.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Rivers Rayhanna, Taha Kimata, David Hevili, Riley Hohepper and Fergus
Burke all played first five and now they've approached the
thirty four year old Justin Bieber.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Well, one thing I would say is I like all
those first fives. They tried those options. Obviously, Fergus Burk
being the one that got away is with Saracens. Now
I do notice that there's no Tasmund names in that list.
I mean, you are the Crusaders region. What's wrong with
the guys who when you won the ra and Philly
Shield the other day one of the first fives there's
(17:00):
fifty five meter goal to.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Win it, will is will he Heavily the first five will.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
He Heavily has won. Well, he's with but there isn't
There are a couple that play in that squad who
are pretty good, including the guy who came on and
kicked that winning goal. So all I'm saying is like
the lack of Tasman first fives, let's not count David
Havilly because he's only just filled in there once. I think,
yeah or twice is a little bit glaring for me.
(17:25):
If you are a true regional team, what's what's wrong
with you? Tazzy boys? Are we are?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
We are Super Rugby's truly regional teams.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Though well they get them from anywhere, right, But I
just think that you know that they've played to a
high level. Tasman have won the NPC recently, they've won
the Shield. I don't think they've ever finished lower than
the six of bloody Good. There must be some first
fives coming out of Nelson College. Surely he's a good
one with a mullet coming out right now, but he's
probably too young. The thing is, I think people overthink
(17:56):
first five. Can I go into a little bit of
a first five rant? I just look at that, Yes, Ken, okay, Yeah,
it is a tough position, but it's actually probably if
you've got the skills, it's probably one of the easier
positions to play.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
It's just as a former first five.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, because you get the kick, you get the pass
not under that much pressure either. You and you've got
forward pods there looking after you there giving you the
ball sort of a back ball right now, so you
get you start your back line further away from the defense.
It's like, I think it's a pretty cool position. And
if you've got a fullback of kicks or a second
(18:32):
five of you kicks, they take all that pressure off you.
If you've got a a halfback who loves to kick box,
then that's another percentage of your kick. So even your
exit plays an't your problem half the time. I'm like, going,
so you just want someone who talks a lot and passes,
I mean, come on, then then you're looking for the
personality that you need one thing. The other day on
(18:52):
the breakdown, Isaac Boss said, Cam Royguard he coached them
as a junior with the Waikatur Schools teams or whatever.
He said he was a really good first five as well,
even though he plays halfback. And I thought that's actually
quite interesting because what happens if Cortez and Noah Hotham
as good as what we think they're going to be
and you got three halfbacks. I mean, why doesn't Cam
(19:16):
quite a big unit?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
A big unit. I sat next to him on the plane.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, he's not small. Why isn't Cam shuffle out to
first five and give another option? Anyway, this is just
first five chat the year.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Oh great first five chat. But I always wondered with Bieber. Yeah,
he's been around forever. He's thirty four, Justin Bieber. But
the reason we call him Bieber is because he I
didn't realize he debuted in Super Rugby as a seventeen
year old.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I know, he was so young Perth. He was with
the Western Force. They did a story on him like
we was sort of going to the school ball and
then coming out and playing for Western Force. It was crazy, really,
just at how he had moved so young.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, I didn't really, I didn't quite realize he David
is a seventeen year old and became the second younger
ever Wallaby later that year.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
He looks so young as well. I mean like back
then he looks like a different person now, yeah he does.
He does.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Call Justin Bieber, he looks like a very weathered Justin Bieber.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, so, and then Bebes probably can relate, right. But
the other thing is like, if you look at Carter
young and Carter when he retired, not too much difference.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, you're right, but I tell you, I tell you who.
I tell you who looks different from starting to retirement,
and that it's open side flankers Sam k and Richie McCaw.
You look at them both, they look so fresh faced.
And by the end of it, Conrad Smith was the same.
Conrad Smith when he started was quite a good looking,
dashing young lawyer. By the end of it is he
(20:42):
looked his face was like a welders bench. He'd been
knocked around so much.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, he got he got so good by the end
as well. I reckon because even when he came in
he was just definitely the gliding player who set up
his outsides. But then by the end he just was
just one of the most important people on the team.
He threw a bit her seafield. I think in that
Rugby World Cup Final twenty fifteen when he got sub
for Sunny Bill because he played a bloody good first half,
(21:08):
I think he set up and there he did that
sort of half folly off the ground and set up
to try it anyway. Yeah, apparently he was like, yeah,
he was livid. I'm blame him.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I didn't also realize that I'm in shocked by Baber constantly.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I realized both his parents are Kiwis and he's got
a New Zealand passport.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yes, two peninsula. He's from my neck of the woods. Yeah,
yeah he is.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So we produced a player which we love to hate
for many years. Yeah, many many years. And same with
who's the one that was born out of Tokodor.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Wait Cooperait Cooper.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
The two people that New Zealand rugby fans love to
hate the most were born in New Zealand. Yea, they're ours,
that's our fault.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I was forced to rewatch that Hong Kong test where
where Beaver kind of blotted his copybook and you know,
flushed his his career down the toilet. We ted did
and Beaver was bloody good in that and then at
last that last play. But also, why are you putting
making Kevin me hooker? Possibly being played the whole game,
(22:07):
I'm not sure, But anyway, mark up against Bebes a
nineteen year old just full of a snapper full of beans.
Yeah it's no, yeah, exactly, you just skin them and
just scored that try and then it all came back
to Beaver. But also in that same game, Dan Carter
(22:28):
miss the shocker of a tackle on Adam Ashley Cooper
that led in a try, but no one remembers that
because when you're when you're Goat status.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah you can do it the hell you want, that's right,
and when and then when you're Beaver status.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah everything, What are you doing that for? What do
you do that for?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
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Scholarship running at the moment.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
We're binge watching is a sport.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
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you the Snacker Chany Sports Scholarship price back, which is
basically made for big nuts, loads of big nuts.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Have you tried the big KESHI lovely hearts big nuts.
I've always wanted to try, like.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
As salty big nuts or as Sultan vinegar nuts.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
No I did. I tried his barbecue nuts. Oh, I
think they were in here. You brought that.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, I prefer the Sultan vinegar nuts.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Oh yeah, salty nuts.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, I love is the salted ones sulted with a
little bit of vinegar on it. I see vinegar and
salt nuts. Actually a bunch of snacker Changi's will say
some refreshments as well.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, it feels like you're wrapping up the pop. But
I just wanted to ask you bleeders load too. I
mean you were in here commentators. Oh yeah, did you
have any any thoughts on who did well and who
might go on the Northern tour might not?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I am so relieved that Wallas side TD played so
well because I was so worried when he got selected in.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
South Africa at six.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I was like, fucking hell, he's twenty two. He could
get he could get creamed here and he might not
recover from this. And then he played really well and
then started again. And I'm so glad he's played well
because I was worried because I love him so much.
I was worried that this much pressure, this early out
of position because I prefer HM at eight as a
running number eight. I thought he was like outstanding.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah, he was the player of the d D and
he was by far the best in show. Definitely, just
every game he's improved and looks quite home at six
as well. Like you say, it's kind of it's the
biggest hospital pass. Quite often they've been. Remember Victor Vito
playing a test at six and maybe at the g
(24:33):
or Indoor Stadium in Melbourne, missus tackle on the blind
side honestly, talk back callers straight into him exactly and
it's like what was he doing? Blah blah, And I'm like,
oh my god, one blindside move that you missed your
your assignment. It was just fury and I thought I
just didn't want that to happen to well, the same
(24:54):
as you. But he was great. I think the one
thing I've noticed is that watching alb he played almost
a full game. I think, yeah, just he is. He's
a steady the ship guy here, so steady the ship
runs it straight and hard. Do we need a cap
for alb What we need a cap like I had? Oh,
(25:17):
we needed some. But he does run it straight, he
straightens a line, he does all those little things that
I mean. Sometimes I think that we're blissed because we've
got JORDI I think you need the ud on. He's
he's your number twelve and then we're thirteen. He's the
KYLB there. Well, I love Rico, so that's the thing.
The problem is word Rico consider going out onto the
(25:38):
wing again?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Quick enough?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Got enough these days? I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I thought, also, Cody's eight percent Cody Taylor, he's getting
better and better.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I think he's the best player of the season. Anything. Fuck,
he's good.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I thought, Well, Jordan looked great at fullback. It's great
to have him back in the side. Every time he
got the ball.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Clark Chu Clark and Caleb Clark cling you nickname Cheer
but has been retired. We have a new name thanks
to Caitlyn, who's a I think young Caitlyn because it
was a dad that texted in saying his daughter Caitlyn
came up with Chu Clarker, and I think that's going
to take off.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I don't know if he's going to be more happy
with Chu Clarker. I don't know if he's going to
be more happy with that. Anyway, go back to the
other question around the Northern Tour, as a Northern tour
is a chance to then blood new players into next season.
For example, will t J Peter Nada go? Will they
send came roy Guard and Sneakers and Hotham?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I think roy Gard hasn't played enough rugby. I think
TJ will go. Do you think came Roygad can play
in the New Zealand fifteen or whatever? It's going to
be touring as well. So I'm wondering about a guy
like Peter Larkeye as well. What do you This Northern
tour looks too tough because you've got England, Ireland, France
(26:54):
and then Italy at the end. So to to is
he No? I don't think is going to make it?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
So okay? What about let's look at other positions. So
Sam Kine, he's off to Japan for three years. Yep,
do you bother taking him on the Northern Yes.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Hundred percentause you've got you've lost so much leadership over
the past year with you know, Captain kve Man's gone,
Aaron Smith all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well, does Peter Lucky come in?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
And Sam?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Thanks very much, he's your hundredth cap. You go after
Japan next year?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Can lack I go in Z fifteen for half the
tour and then and then still a bit of a
switchero come over? So what's that?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
What's the news on fifteen tour?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Sorry?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
What's running at the same time? I don't know in
other parts of Europe? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, okay, so
they've got two squads over there which they can Yeah.
Quite clever, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
It's quite clever, So they'll be able to do that.
I don't think there'll be any any any great changes really.
I think that game by beating the Wallabies by twenty
points there at the end pretty much locks and a
lot of people. But one player who I think has
probably made the greatest strides this year, apart from Wallace,
a t who's like the bolter of bolters is two
po Vi is now Mahi monster when he the Maney
(28:02):
monster trying to get off the ground. When when when
he plays now I know, so when he gets named
or when he's talked about everyone goes, oh we obviously
we've got Tupov, whereas before, even even at the start
of the season, people are you know, there's some people
are non chiefs. Fans would have been rolling their eyes
at two V and now yes, oh god, and now
(28:24):
you look at him and go back in the highlights.
He's often the first receiver. He's got those silky skills.
Plus he's the clean out king. He just goes for people.
I love him.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
You've got Sam Darry as well, and you got dog Roll.
So I think the locks.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Wise it would good because put Petty Toops is Ba
Toops is back as well.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
He played when he came off the bench, he played.
I thought he played out standing in the last fifteen
to twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
He just brought up.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
He just bought some sort of mona and presence rop
a big man. Same with Tossy Tossy Tossy just a
bag unit. I love the fact we've got too massive
one hundred and forty kg plus now into Mighty Williams
and him, because I'm always jealous when I see the
spring Box and even Argentina and England and everything in
(29:10):
these they bring out thesebsolute monsters, but they don't look
as big in a black jersey, you know, se I
always think that when the spring Box come out. I
don't know if that's their cut of their jersey or
the English with their white jeweys swimming.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Why do you think I'm wearing.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
It to that? But I think we need to change
jerseys then, because it doesn't look as intimidate.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
You don't want to hear of your moves. That's why
we lost in those light gray jerseys. People. Every player
with mobs was very self conscious in card If you
already noticed it, it's a confidence thing. It's a confidence thing.
You sing. You out there with light gray shows every
single sweat ring, it shows every single.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
When you're sweating under your moos.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Love handles and moves on full display in Cardiff two
thousand and seven. That's the reason we lost. Let's own it.
It's wardrobe choice.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
A great way to add in the podcast, Well see
that tomorrow is the return of the Habibi himself, Stuart.
He'll be in bits and pieces tomorrow. I guarantee you
if he extended his holiday after the beer Aden tour,
I'm sure he looked after himself and convalesced well.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Minight is one of the few people who pushes that,
you know, the KEB and Crew button, Like before they've
even taken off, He's pushed that button and it's all
for beers.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And also, I'm speaking of Star Wars. Often after one
of these trips he comes back looking like Emperor Palpatine.
Oh the eyes, the eyes, the eyes have gone smoking
too many daries, crushing too many beers. So the return
of Emperor Palpatine tomorrow, see you later.
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