September 12, 2025 • 5 mins
It’s Game Day, the All Blacks set to take on the Springboks for a second time tonight at Wellington’s Sky Stadium.
To get the South African perspective, former Springbok and the man who kicked the winning drop goal in the 1995 Rugby World Cup final, Joel Stransky, caught up with D'Arcy for a chat ahead of another massive test match.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldegrave from News talk Ed.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be welcome now to Joel Strandski. Good morning, Joel.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Darcy, good morning. I'd love you to be back on
the show.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hope you well, my friend, very well, especially after last week.
What a sensational game of rugby that was probably not
so good from your point of view, but just give
us the summary about what you saw in that Eden
Park next year, yees, so probably not as for us,
probably not as happy as you guys. I think in
the build up there was one or two things that
(00:40):
sort of struck me in and I don't know who
summed it up.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm trying to remember. I can actually remember who said it,
but I'm quoting someone else when they said neither team
are strutting around with massive confidence, and I thought that
sort of summed it up there. Both teams went in
we weren't quite sure where they are, they are or worthy.
You know, the AB's had come off a little last
the spring Box had not looked good and battled in
(01:03):
that first Test against Australia because it's strange time for
our two teams. But actually once the two teams gone
on the field. I thought it was a cracking test
match the way I thought it was hard and uncompromising
and physical and brutal. And there were elements that were
bad and there were elements that were really good, but
it was it was a great spectacle.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
It's about the bomb squad and talk about the maturity
of some of those players as a thought process here
that maybe they've just gone a season too long in
those positions and Race has got to start looking at
the youth, not relying so much on the experience. I
think there's any truth in that job.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I think there's a lot of truth in that. I
think I think Russy must know that because he's not
He's used so many players already this year, and he
used like over fifty players last years. I think he's
used the same fifty three this year already. I think
he knows. I think he must surely know that some
of those guys he's either got to manage their time
really carefully and hope that they can deliver on the
(02:05):
big stage, or he's got to he's got to find
able and willing and brilliant replacements. And I think that's
his challenge. You know, we we don't have that bench
that comes on and destroys teams like we used to.
We we're lacking in one or two positions. The other
theory I've got is our players that are playing in
Japan are a little off the boil still and are
(02:27):
playing catch up. So, you know, so there's like a
whole lot he's got to take into account. They. I
don't think it's easy in his role, in his position,
and obviously there's such great sentiment that goes with those
old star warts. It's it's not easy to you know,
leave them out and discard them. In fact, it's right now,
it's impossible. It has to be a proper phasing approach,
phasing out the old and phasing in the new. And
(02:49):
I think he's managing it pretty well at the moment.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Was this phasing the team selects this week or is
a lottle more abrupt from that wholesale change word.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, I don't think there's any phasing. This weekend was
just get that not button. But maybe it is phasing.
You know, maybe it's a matter of saying to some
of these young guys, right, you know, this is the
time we it didn't work last week when we used
a lot of the older guys and a few younger guys.
Go out there, you youngsters, you guys who we think
might be the future, and going to have a go,
(03:20):
go and never go. I'm going to chuck you in
the deep end and sink or swim and hopefully hopefully
they swim, and they swim last year. But there's there's
some big questions around this team. And actually the questions
that I've been asked in this country is more around
the back line. I quite like the back line. I mean,
i've seen Damien Hillims, that player twelve. We had this
debate three or four years ago what his best position
was and we fell to it was either twelve or fifteen.
(03:42):
Now we've picked him at twelve. Everyone's going, what's he
doing at twelve? Canaan Moody is is when he's played thirteen,
he's looked outstanding. Even hooker, young winger, who's who I
think will be the future winger or thirteen you know,
chucked in the fold there. I think it's a team
that can go and play. But you know it's a
big ask to lose a Test match in New Zealand
(04:03):
against the All Blacks and then make wholesale change and
drop a few stole. It's it's the message is a
tough message.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You did right and talk about combinations. Cobus Rhinerch Now
he's a well capped he's a very experienced player. You
look at Grant Williams though it's not that shy of
where how does that work that combo? Because you're missing
on a couple of them?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Now, yeah, very much so. And I think it's I
think it's also giving guys game time and experience and
seeing where they fed in best, who's who's better in
the first forty or fifty minutes, and who's better to
close the game out, because you know, we've always looked
at it as a bench, you know, as the bomb
squad that came off for bench, But actually, in many
ways it's it's whose skill set is best suited to
(04:47):
which part of the games as well, you know, And
I quite like the idea of looking to say, right, okay,
Cubas rhinoch is and by the way, Kubis Rynerch and
God Williams are probably just as quick as each other.
They're both real speedsters. But which one is a bit stronger,
which one can play the physical game? Which one's going
to be a little bit better when the game opens up,
hopefully in the last you know, thirty minutes. And it's
(05:09):
just like the All Black scrum. I think I think
that the front row that come that comes off the
bench for the All Blacks probably scrum a little bit
better than the starting liner. So so you know, you pick,
you pick how you want to play and when you
want what strength to be on the field. And I
think when you look at Rhinoch and Williams, I think
that's what Russ he's looking at. I mean, Williams is
an unbelievable little talent and a handful, but he's smaller.
(05:32):
Rhinoch is a little bit stronger and a little bit
you know, more mature, and maybe his kicking game is
a little bit better. So it is it is horses
for courses at the right time.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
For more from the All Sport Breakfast with Darcy Waltergrave,
listen live to News Talk said Be on Saturday mornings,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldegrave from News talk Ed.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be welcome now to Joel Strandski. Good morning, Joel.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Darcy, good morning. I'd love you to be back on
the show.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hope you well, my friend, very well, especially after last week.
What a sensational game of rugby that was probably not
so good from your point of view, but just give
us the summary about what you saw in that Eden
Park next year, yees, so probably not as for us,
probably not as happy as you guys. I think in
the build up there was one or two things that
(00:40):
sort of struck me in and I don't know who
summed it up.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm trying to remember. I can actually remember who said it,
but I'm quoting someone else when they said neither team
are strutting around with massive confidence, and I thought that
sort of summed it up there. Both teams went in
we weren't quite sure where they are, they are or worthy.
You know, the AB's had come off a little last
the spring Box had not looked good and battled in
(01:03):
that first Test against Australia because it's strange time for
our two teams. But actually once the two teams gone
on the field. I thought it was a cracking test
match the way I thought it was hard and uncompromising
and physical and brutal. And there were elements that were
bad and there were elements that were really good, but
it was it was a great spectacle.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
It's about the bomb squad and talk about the maturity
of some of those players as a thought process here
that maybe they've just gone a season too long in
those positions and Race has got to start looking at
the youth, not relying so much on the experience. I
think there's any truth in that job.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I think there's a lot of truth in that. I
think I think Russy must know that because he's not
He's used so many players already this year, and he
used like over fifty players last years. I think he's
used the same fifty three this year already. I think
he knows. I think he must surely know that some
of those guys he's either got to manage their time
really carefully and hope that they can deliver on the
(02:05):
big stage, or he's got to he's got to find
able and willing and brilliant replacements. And I think that's
his challenge. You know, we we don't have that bench
that comes on and destroys teams like we used to.
We we're lacking in one or two positions. The other
theory I've got is our players that are playing in
Japan are a little off the boil still and are
(02:27):
playing catch up. So, you know, so there's like a
whole lot he's got to take into account. They. I
don't think it's easy in his role, in his position,
and obviously there's such great sentiment that goes with those
old star warts. It's it's not easy to you know,
leave them out and discard them. In fact, it's right now,
it's impossible. It has to be a proper phasing approach,
phasing out the old and phasing in the new. And
(02:49):
I think he's managing it pretty well at the moment.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Was this phasing the team selects this week or is
a lottle more abrupt from that wholesale change word.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, I don't think there's any phasing. This weekend was
just get that not button. But maybe it is phasing.
You know, maybe it's a matter of saying to some
of these young guys, right, you know, this is the
time we it didn't work last week when we used
a lot of the older guys and a few younger guys.
Go out there, you youngsters, you guys who we think
might be the future, and going to have a go,
(03:20):
go and never go. I'm going to chuck you in
the deep end and sink or swim and hopefully hopefully
they swim, and they swim last year. But there's there's
some big questions around this team. And actually the questions
that I've been asked in this country is more around
the back line. I quite like the back line. I mean,
i've seen Damien Hillims, that player twelve. We had this
debate three or four years ago what his best position
was and we fell to it was either twelve or fifteen.
(03:42):
Now we've picked him at twelve. Everyone's going, what's he
doing at twelve? Canaan Moody is is when he's played thirteen,
he's looked outstanding. Even hooker, young winger, who's who I
think will be the future winger or thirteen you know,
chucked in the fold there. I think it's a team
that can go and play. But you know it's a
big ask to lose a Test match in New Zealand
(04:03):
against the All Blacks and then make wholesale change and
drop a few stole. It's it's the message is a
tough message.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You did right and talk about combinations. Cobus Rhinerch Now
he's a well capped he's a very experienced player. You
look at Grant Williams though it's not that shy of
where how does that work that combo? Because you're missing
on a couple of them?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Now, yeah, very much so. And I think it's I
think it's also giving guys game time and experience and
seeing where they fed in best, who's who's better in
the first forty or fifty minutes, and who's better to
close the game out, because you know, we've always looked
at it as a bench, you know, as the bomb
squad that came off for bench, But actually, in many
ways it's it's whose skill set is best suited to
(04:47):
which part of the games as well, you know, And
I quite like the idea of looking to say, right, okay,
Cubas rhinoch is and by the way, Kubis Rynerch and
God Williams are probably just as quick as each other.
They're both real speedsters. But which one is a bit stronger,
which one can play the physical game? Which one's going
to be a little bit better when the game opens up,
hopefully in the last you know, thirty minutes. And it's
(05:09):
just like the All Black scrum. I think I think
that the front row that come that comes off the
bench for the All Blacks probably scrum a little bit
better than the starting liner. So so you know, you pick,
you pick how you want to play and when you
want what strength to be on the field. And I
think when you look at Rhinoch and Williams, I think
that's what Russ he's looking at. I mean, Williams is
an unbelievable little talent and a handful, but he's smaller.
(05:32):
Rhinoch is a little bit stronger and a little bit
you know, more mature, and maybe his kicking game is
a little bit better. So it is it is horses
for courses at the right time.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
For more from the All Sport Breakfast with Darcy Waltergrave,
listen live to News Talk said Be on Saturday mornings,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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