September 19, 2025 • 7 mins
The Silver Ferns will need to set all distractions aside as they take on the South African Proteas in the first Taini Jamison Trophy clash.
All eyes will be on the team to see how they perform with all the noise that’s surrounded them over the last few weeks.
Ahead of the first clash, D’Arcy caught up with Silver Ferns defender Karin Burger to preview the game and discuss her efforts to remain focused on winning the series.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldgrave from News Talk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
A big Week four New Zella Netball are very triggering
Week four New Zella Netball the fans as well, and
aside the drama, they've actually got a game of needle
working tomorrow, the Proteus, the first Test and the Tiny
Jamison Trophy. Everyone's going to be looking at this team
right seeing how they're going to perform with all the
outside noise they have been dealing with. And it's not
(00:34):
just last week, it's the week before, the week before,
the week before, the eye of all sorts of storms.
So we're joined now by current silver Fern curen Berger.
It joins us to preview the game and really interested
to know how she's remaining focused on the task about
winning the series besides all the distractions they're dealing with. Hi,
(00:54):
Karen sure, how you going very well? What about yourself?
You're starting the Tiny Jamison series that's coming up tomorrow.
There's been a lot going on a net over the
last week or so, you may well laugh, it's been
pretty stressful. How's that work with the team, how's that
sitting with the team? Have you guys like fully concentrated
(01:15):
and focused on on the task at hand, on like
netball on the court.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah. Sure, there's a lot been going on the last
couple of weeks especially, and obviously we've had that time
to I guess for a large part of this group,
we are quite new in the environment or have been
in and out or first time experiencing this. So for
them it's pretty pretty you know, they just want to
get on with the job and play. But there is
(01:42):
another group of players who's probably got a bit more
skin in the game and have a bit more understanding
or I guess personal relationships and with the current situation
that we're in. But I think we've had some time
to purely focus on that and figure out where everyone
sits with us and what you needed to do to
prepare yourself knowing that we do have a game coming up.
(02:03):
As much as people want to be able to focus
on what's going on, if we don't show up on Sunday,
I'm sure there's way more big a kind of worms
are opening up for ourselves. So we have to actually
just be able to switch between the two and know
that whatever is happening in the background is still happening
that won't disappear, and whatever you need to do with that,
(02:27):
you figure out what that is for you as an individual.
But come Sunday, you need to be prepared and show up.
So I think from there we just made that switch
to being performance focused and just knowing what's coming up
on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Well, you're professionals at the end of the day. This
is what you've got to do. You're wearing the fern,
you got the black dress on. You don't take that lightly.
I'd almost suggest that the situation you're in will almost
steal you to actually push on you become maybe stronger
as a unit with that pressure applied. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Look, and I have performance environment personally from there as well.
I can only speak to my own experiences, but have
had lots of ups and downs, and throughout all of those,
you do there's a lot of character building that happened.
And I know there's a lot of chat on the
outside around the expectations of a high performance environment and
(03:18):
you won't really understand and know what it's like until
you're in there yourself. And obviously there's a lot of
physical challenges, but with that also comes a lot of
mental and emotional as well, and everybody, depending on what
your character is like in your upbringing and what kind
of person you are, you'll deal with those in your
own own way. And I guess it's just important that
(03:39):
an environment is set and the support is around you
to manage that quite well, you know. I just see
it as another opportunity to learn and develop and try
and keep a positive mindset throughout it all.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Do you feel safe in that environment? You mentioned high performance,
and I think that's the crux of what's going on yourself.
Do you feel in a happy place? Is that a
good place for you to be?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Like I mentioned, everybody has grown up differently and have
developed differently over the years, and I am in no
place to tell someone else how they should feel and
what they should think. And so obviously how I experience
an environment will be completely different to how someone else
experiences an environment, and you have to understand that. And
(04:24):
I think the biggest learning for me has been around,
you know, having to be able to understand now this
like in someone else's opinion and experiences, and whether I
agree with it or not, that doesn't invalidate it. It
is what it is, and how you work with it
and how you make a good environment and stay united
(04:45):
and be able to move forward. And yeah, so there's
I guess obviously a lot of ten around that as well.
But MY key priority at the moment is to put
my efforts and attention where it needs to be immediately,
but not shutting off from what is happening and where
I feel very strongly my values and my relationships with
people also lie and what I need to do in
(05:07):
that front to be able to make sure that I
feel like my voice is heard in that front too.
So whatever people are going to decide, it's going to be.
You know, currently there's obviously a lot of decisions having
to be made and that's way above what I can control.
But I'll do my best and make sure that I
do give my input where it needs to be to
say I did have some kind of influence or a
(05:29):
different perspective, I guess where it's needed. I think that's
where my focus lies at the moment.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You've had a relationship previously with Avett mcaus and that
Jerry she's kind of been parachuted in to save the day.
Is that working well? How is she coping with this tumult?
I spoke to only a few days ago. She seemed fine.
She's a pretty calm individual, isn't she. And she's applying
what she needs to apply as far as tactics and
teamworker ahead of this fixture, and I suppose looking after
(05:58):
the nature of the teen dynamic.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Look, she's an amazing individual and even my experience with
her in the past, she knows how to bring a
group together and how to support people and making sure
everybody you know, is understood or understands where she wants
to go, shall I say rather, And she knows that
with the current situation and having listened to her previous chats,
you know, she knows she's only here at the moment
(06:22):
and what happens forward is you know, out of our control.
But for this moment and all the work that has
been done before coming into this, there's been a lot
of work done and knowing that they're here to just
really work with that and figure out where they fit
in and making sure everybody's on the same page. So
she's been amazing in that front and just respecting. She's
(06:44):
very respectful and understands, you know, the difficult position that
or the situation that's currently going on. But knowing that
we have to move on and what that looks like
to be as an move on to get get a
performance out on Sunday. So just respecting what has happened,
but making sure that they slot in really well and
(07:05):
be able to lead like that too. It's a difficult position,
but you know, just the personality and the person that
she is herself, She's been really good in this environment.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
For more from The All Sport Breakfast with Darcy Waltergrave,
listen live to news talks that be on Saturday mornings,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldgrave from News Talk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
A big Week four New Zella Netball are very triggering
Week four New Zella Netball the fans as well, and
aside the drama, they've actually got a game of needle
working tomorrow, the Proteus, the first Test and the Tiny
Jamison Trophy. Everyone's going to be looking at this team
right seeing how they're going to perform with all the
outside noise they have been dealing with. And it's not
(00:34):
just last week, it's the week before, the week before,
the week before, the eye of all sorts of storms.
So we're joined now by current silver Fern curen Berger.
It joins us to preview the game and really interested
to know how she's remaining focused on the task about
winning the series besides all the distractions they're dealing with. Hi,
(00:54):
Karen sure, how you going very well? What about yourself?
You're starting the Tiny Jamison series that's coming up tomorrow.
There's been a lot going on a net over the
last week or so, you may well laugh, it's been
pretty stressful. How's that work with the team, how's that
sitting with the team? Have you guys like fully concentrated
(01:15):
and focused on on the task at hand, on like
netball on the court.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah. Sure, there's a lot been going on the last
couple of weeks especially, and obviously we've had that time
to I guess for a large part of this group,
we are quite new in the environment or have been
in and out or first time experiencing this. So for
them it's pretty pretty you know, they just want to
get on with the job and play. But there is
(01:42):
another group of players who's probably got a bit more
skin in the game and have a bit more understanding
or I guess personal relationships and with the current situation
that we're in. But I think we've had some time
to purely focus on that and figure out where everyone
sits with us and what you needed to do to
prepare yourself knowing that we do have a game coming up.
(02:03):
As much as people want to be able to focus
on what's going on, if we don't show up on Sunday,
I'm sure there's way more big a kind of worms
are opening up for ourselves. So we have to actually
just be able to switch between the two and know
that whatever is happening in the background is still happening
that won't disappear, and whatever you need to do with that,
(02:27):
you figure out what that is for you as an individual.
But come Sunday, you need to be prepared and show up.
So I think from there we just made that switch
to being performance focused and just knowing what's coming up
on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Well, you're professionals at the end of the day. This
is what you've got to do. You're wearing the fern,
you got the black dress on. You don't take that lightly.
I'd almost suggest that the situation you're in will almost
steal you to actually push on you become maybe stronger
as a unit with that pressure applied. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Look, and I have performance environment personally from there as well.
I can only speak to my own experiences, but have
had lots of ups and downs, and throughout all of those,
you do there's a lot of character building that happened.
And I know there's a lot of chat on the
outside around the expectations of a high performance environment and
(03:18):
you won't really understand and know what it's like until
you're in there yourself. And obviously there's a lot of
physical challenges, but with that also comes a lot of
mental and emotional as well, and everybody, depending on what
your character is like in your upbringing and what kind
of person you are, you'll deal with those in your
own own way. And I guess it's just important that
(03:39):
an environment is set and the support is around you
to manage that quite well, you know. I just see
it as another opportunity to learn and develop and try
and keep a positive mindset throughout it all.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Do you feel safe in that environment? You mentioned high performance,
and I think that's the crux of what's going on yourself.
Do you feel in a happy place? Is that a
good place for you to be?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Like I mentioned, everybody has grown up differently and have
developed differently over the years, and I am in no
place to tell someone else how they should feel and
what they should think. And so obviously how I experience
an environment will be completely different to how someone else
experiences an environment, and you have to understand that. And
(04:24):
I think the biggest learning for me has been around,
you know, having to be able to understand now this
like in someone else's opinion and experiences, and whether I
agree with it or not, that doesn't invalidate it. It
is what it is, and how you work with it
and how you make a good environment and stay united
(04:45):
and be able to move forward. And yeah, so there's
I guess obviously a lot of ten around that as well.
But MY key priority at the moment is to put
my efforts and attention where it needs to be immediately,
but not shutting off from what is happening and where
I feel very strongly my values and my relationships with
people also lie and what I need to do in
(05:07):
that front to be able to make sure that I
feel like my voice is heard in that front too.
So whatever people are going to decide, it's going to be.
You know, currently there's obviously a lot of decisions having
to be made and that's way above what I can control.
But I'll do my best and make sure that I
do give my input where it needs to be to
say I did have some kind of influence or a
(05:29):
different perspective, I guess where it's needed. I think that's
where my focus lies at the moment.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You've had a relationship previously with Avett mcaus and that
Jerry she's kind of been parachuted in to save the day.
Is that working well? How is she coping with this tumult?
I spoke to only a few days ago. She seemed fine.
She's a pretty calm individual, isn't she. And she's applying
what she needs to apply as far as tactics and
teamworker ahead of this fixture, and I suppose looking after
(05:58):
the nature of the teen dynamic.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Look, she's an amazing individual and even my experience with
her in the past, she knows how to bring a
group together and how to support people and making sure
everybody you know, is understood or understands where she wants
to go, shall I say rather, And she knows that
with the current situation and having listened to her previous chats,
you know, she knows she's only here at the moment
(06:22):
and what happens forward is you know, out of our control.
But for this moment and all the work that has
been done before coming into this, there's been a lot
of work done and knowing that they're here to just
really work with that and figure out where they fit
in and making sure everybody's on the same page. So
she's been amazing in that front and just respecting. She's
(06:44):
very respectful and understands, you know, the difficult position that
or the situation that's currently going on. But knowing that
we have to move on and what that looks like
to be as an move on to get get a
performance out on Sunday. So just respecting what has happened,
but making sure that they slot in really well and
(07:05):
be able to lead like that too. It's a difficult position,
but you know, just the personality and the person that
she is herself, She's been really good in this environment.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
For more from The All Sport Breakfast with Darcy Waltergrave,
listen live to news talks that be on Saturday mornings,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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