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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldgrave from News Talk SEDB All Sports Breakfasts, All Star Panel.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And our All Star Panel today consists of the Womble
Aiden McLaughlin sports journalist. Good morning to you, sir, morning Darcy.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
How are we?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm very very well, probably not quite as well as
Hamish Mackay, one of the smiliest men I've ever met. Hamish,
how is it?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Oh? Fighty fit mate. I'm ready to go, and so
I'm more excited than the point of sisters about this
Fantasy Super Rugby league.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I tell you now, even though you can't pick Caleb.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Klark exactly, this is a strange.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And what we will talk about that shortly. But of
course this is it the All Star panels we talk
about the big sports stories of the day. That is
one of them. So it'll be remiss of me not
to start that off. I'll give it to you, Hamish.
Caleb's not involved. Three other players aren't involved in Fantasy Rugby.
They've decided not to opt in. I see this being increasingly.
(01:16):
It's an interesting situation around players IP and their rights
to their image and the like as well. This is
only heading down a difficult path, is it not?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah, I think I mean, with all durispects to the
players concerned, Kayla's the only one I really have any
knowledge of the other three obviously clearly lesser known players.
Will it become you know, it must have some sort
of correlation to the obviously, so you go back to
the Michael Jones not on Sunday's kind of thing you know,
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is there's some sort of component like that to it.
But look, you would hope because they obviously rugby Union
needs this desperately given the success of other sports other
the neighboring codes so to speak with this. So yeah,
look I'm a little bit concerned, But look, I would
have thought for was probably not enough to get overly
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concerned about it at this point. But we've always had
this issue about the players right to the Nike boots
over Eddie Dass and ad a rule that that organization
that's always kept its base in Wellington has ruled with
an iron fist. But on this particular occasion, no, and
Caleb Clark's case, he sort of stood up and said no,
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one ball Aiden.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
We looked to Sonny Bill Williams and what happened there
with a bank of New sell and he said, look,
the rogis grounds, I'm not wearing it. I'm not going
to do it. He was such a big name he
could get away with it. Caleb Clark again, another big name,
and you'd expect even that it's not confirmed. It doesn't
sit with us, our personal values. He's a church going,
god fearing man and he doesn't want to be engaged
in us. I'm presuming. But it only takes a couple
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of people to do this. And then suddenly, I suppose
who's is it a tail wagging a dog situation? Like
who actually holds the power here with what athletes have
to do if they're on the playroll?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Well, it's the one I've been thinking of, Darcy, you
know that that's suddeny Bill Williams instance where I think
it was about seven or eight years ago and he
just covered up the being ZI logo, didn't He was
as simple as that, and he said that you know,
he was exercising an objection to that particular industry I guess,
or type of business. But I mean just thinking of
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like the Steinlager series. We have the Steinlager series, you know,
in June and July every year where they sponsor a
test series. I mean, just kind decide not to play
in that test series because it's sponsored by Steinlager. I mean,
I'm just throwing it, you know, an example out there.
How far do you take it? I mean totally understand
that if this is against his beliefs or you know,
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where you want to structure it, that he has a
right to say no. But I guess the way that
the Players Association, et cetera structure contracts going forward will
be very interesting. You know. I get the feeling that
this Fantasy League game has been kind of rushed through
in the last few months, so it's probably not even
covered by existing contracts. But yeah, I think, you know,
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I think it kind of missed its deadline a week
but as well by a couple of weeks. But perhaps
that's the big picture, isn't it. You know, what what
sort of contracts are we going to have going forward
and what exceptions will players want to make?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Well, I think what we've got here hamis just cadi
of Clark controlling and controllables. He's been given the option
not to buy in, and he's chosen not to. He said,
like I'm not interested. So no, it's not the end
of the world. On fantasy rugby, everyone wants to pick
Calem Clark. He's a points scoring machine. That that's I'd
say the issue they had. But it's something when there's
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this ever changing sounds of professional sport that all of
the agents and all of the organizations involved have to
be very cognizant of into the future. This is your ip,
this is you and the irony hair Hamish is that
even though he doesn't want to be involved in fantasy
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because of the I'm presuming the punting aspect of it,
I can get on a tab tonight and I can
put one hundred bucks on him to be the first
try score in the Blues first up game and he's
got no control over that. He's just controlling what he can. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Well, you and I aid are both raised the double standards.
Just this the you know, and I wouldn't like to
use the word hypocracy, but you know, like when you
think about it, there are, as you say, a hundred
examples of where the double standards does apply, can't you know?
And it will become Look, I tell you what, the
most thing that it will become of this of this
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is it will become a national drinking game. Unfortunately, further
underpin our drinking culture. Every time Caleb Clark does something
that would have scored points in fantasy rugby, everybody will
have to drink.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Well, I know we're going to do that, now they are.
You're in a nabl stopper.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Oh sorry, sorry, sorry I didn't Yeah no, I didn't
mean to sort of lead the country astray. But unfortunately,
having been aged eighteen to twenty five previously in my
life a long time ago, I can see what's going
to happen here. Look, I just feel like maybe in
this case, you know everybody you talk about IP, but
it's New Zealand rugby and rugby the game owned by
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the people of New Zealand. I guess we like to
think that who actually give you the opportunity cad of Clark.
So if you're prepared to play in an alcohol sponsored
test series or have somebody put one hundred dollars these
hundred dollars down on you to score the first try
in a game, then maybe I'm not so sure what
the reason would be behind when I think about it
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a bit more, to not be involved in fantasy rugby,
I think we'll.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Find out more about it next week when Caleb makes
us thoughts clearer on what that decision was. We're going
to leave that behind. They still with rugby, though, aiden
Joe Schmidt stepping down at the end of the Championship,
He's given Australian Rugby, yeah, a couple more months to
find his replacement. As a scene before in my opinion piece,
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the best thing around us for Ozzie Rugby is it's
actually not broken. They do have the cattle. We saw
that on the end of the year tour. They just
need to establish a coach with some form of consistent
They're going to come and steal ing on McDonald, aren't.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
They, do you reckon? I don't know. I think Stephen
Larkin is going to be the one, to be honest.
I think you know, he's probably been waiting in the
wings for a wee while and I think I had
to put my one hundred dollars somewhere other than Caleb Clark.
He'll probably be on Stephen Larkin getting that job. But look,
I'm not surprised that they couldn't sign him up long term.
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Joe Schmidt, I think you know he was he signed
that initial contract very deliberately, didn't he know it was through.
It was a short term contract through to the end
of the Lions series, which is obviously huge for Australian rugby.
He's been able to get uns prizingly, he's been able
to improve that team, that culture, you know, the development
of some of the fringe players, and I think you'll
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do so again this year. And I think, you know,
probably eighteen months ago before he took over, we probably
thought that this was probably going to be a pretty
easy series for the British and Irish Lions when they
turned up on the Australian shores. I don't think it
is so easy now, to be honest with you. So
I think that's credit to Schmidt and the players that
he's he's developing. Hey, another couple of months fair enough,
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you know, give the Australian give the decision makers there
a little bit longer, just to kind of get someone
else in place, and then I think we'll see him
come back to New Zealand and I think from next
season onwards, you know, New Zealand rugby I think would
be silly not to offer him some sort of role.
But if he doesn't get a roll in New Zealand
rugby PAPSI or end up going back to the Blues
and working with his old mate Burncoft.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Must warm the heart of Australian rugby fans Tamish makind
knowing that all is not lost. They actually have the players.
It's how they get manage and that's the biggest issue
with Australian rugby and the chaotic way of selecting new
coaches that doesn't help anything.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Well, I always get a little bit concerned when when
many in the New Zealand media and the public buy
and will start talking about Australian rugby being completely done
over and in the doal drums and there's no recovery point.
It's all over it. Why do we have them? And
seeber rugby they are a waste of space And then
they turn it around and what we saw last year
from Joe Smith's team was that's a team that seriously
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won United and two on the rise. Now the thing
about we've got to remember, yeah, sure they have they
have league and Aussie Rules and other sports that are
that are huge for them. But you know, we produced
a team of all blacks out of a out of
a country which is basically Adelaide on steroids. So they
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do have the scope and the potential and you just
needed a coach that unified them. And ever since Smith
was a fifty eight kilogram dripping wet winger for matter
were too many years ago while training to be a
teacher in Varness North. He's an officer and a gentleman
and guys follow him and when we've seen that time
and time again in teams everywhere, so you know, like
he's putting them on the right foot. Aden suggested, I
(10:23):
think Stephen Larkham is probably the closest kind of caliber
of a thinker and somebody who could unite and was
an amazing footy player, the best first five date of
his generation, so I'd like to see him get Australian
rugby is far from dun and dusted, and the Lions
series as good as that Lion's team could be if
they get the political selections right there, you know geographically
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they don't share around. That could be a belter of
a series and could see the re emergency of the
Wallabies as a real force. So you know, but Joe Smith,
he's pretty much a man who is true to his
word and what he is. He totally is. So he's
done Australian rugby a huge favor, like he almost did
for the All Blacks at the last World Cup.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Only Hamish mackay. More from Hamish and Aiden as the
All Star panel continues. Next, we're going to touch on
Super Bowl, which is an amazing advertising schedule, surrounded by
some guys chucking a pigskins his news talks more. It's
team to nine. I don't have anything to do on Monday,
(11:28):
get the day off, so I suppose I should watch
the Super Bowl? What about you? Aiden?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Is that tickle your.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Fancy, Darcy? I don't have Monday off, and I don't
usually get Mondays off. But I wouldn't say I'm excited
about it every year. But I'm interested in the Super
Bowl every year, and I'm interested enough to kind of
make the effort to watch it, whether it's live or delayed.
I'm not someone who sits down every weekend to watch
three or four games of NFL. I don't even watch one.
(11:56):
I kind of keep an eye on the major things
that's going on in American football, but no more than that.
So yeah, it's probably the one time of the year
I will actually make an effort to sit down and
watch a game. You know, it's I appreciate that the
razmataz that goes along with it. It's a it's a
hell of an event, especially in the US. I think
over one hundred million people watch it every year. I
(12:19):
don't think it's quite got the global reach yet that
they would expect. I think there's only about sixty or
seven only about sixty or seventy million people around the
world apart from Americans that watch it. So it's by
no means this billion viewer event that perhaps people won't
think it is. But yeah, listen, seems like a good
showdown between these two teams. Clear stars on show on
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the field and off the field. So yeah, I think
I'll give it some time.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
What about you, Hammer's something you want to embrace and enjoy,
like from a standard of sports broadcasting, it is absolutely
enormous And I get that. Just a bit slow for me,
And this is a guy that watch test cricket.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, actually think an analogy there. It is a little
bit slow. Look, I don't watch the NFL as a rule,
but I quite like watching the five minute, forty nine
second highlight clips. That's quite a good way to watch it,
and I think that's how I'll end up watching Super Bowl.
I think that that's going to be my go But
(13:25):
I was interesting to see that something like somebody was
saying thirty seconds adds forty million or something. So I
wish you would get in the American ads. I'd love
to see who's spending that kind of money in the breaks,
and I think you'd watch it to see who's prepared
to spend that sort of dish. But I'll be amazed,
you know, Like I was always fascinated around my old
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days in an old newsroom, how excited people were getting,
people dagging days off, And I'm like, you know, but
for three hundred and sixty four days outside of this,
nobody really even talks about it. So there you go.
It does have it, has it has cut through. Yeah,
I'm not sure that it's truly global yet, but it
certainly it's certainly become a bit of a super bottle
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Monday thing year, hasn't it. So yeah, oh heaven, I won't.
I won't be I won't be sort of giving up
in the day job to watch it.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Put it that way, okay, Hamish, I think maybe that's
wise You're not going to like dress up anything like that,
not even stars and stripes and even pretend to think
you care. No, you're not a Hamish mackay joins us.
Thanks very much for that, Hamish on the All Star Panels,
Aiden McLaughlin, Thanks to both of you men for joining us.
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