This week’s panel features Paul Allison and Alex Powell. On the agenda this weekend:
- The new Black Caps coach has been named
- Rising complaints over the Super Rugby playoffs format
- Red Bull is giving Yuki Tsunoda time and support - something they didn't give Liam Lawson
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldgrave from News Talk SEDB, Paul Sports Breakfast, All Star Pedal.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
All Star Panel, What on earth was that ere? The
All Star panel consists of Paul Allison. Good morning to you.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Paul, Darcy from a very chilly Central Otago.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I think it's cold everywhere. I'll give you the tip.
It's winter.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Two degrees at the moment. Down on the Deep South.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It was a very chilly seven when I woke up
this morning. Life in Auckland. Get a Alex Powell.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
How are you also very cold? Good morning Darce.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
That's okay, you guys should wear more clothes. Just giving
you the tip. Let's start things off with you, mister Allison.
Rob Walter new coach replacing Gary Stead of course in
a summer experience of him, because he was a Volts
coach five years, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, he was a Volts coach. Then he went to
the Stags, coached New Zealand a for a period of
time assistant coach of the IPL. Interesting that he got
out of his South African contract a little bit more
than two years early, and that was before this decision
was made so I'm not sure whether that was because
of family reasons and his wife being back in New Zealand,
but yeah, we saw some of them in the Deep South.
(01:20):
He's got a good track record. The other interesting thing
for me in this appointment was that New Zealand Cricket
initially went out and advertised us to split the roles
between the white ball and the red ball cricket formats
and now they've decided to stay with the one coach
across all all three formats of the game. So no
real surprise. I think he was the favorite in terms
(01:42):
of the people that were there. He's built up a
pretty good track record with South Africa getting through to
the semi finals of the World Cup and twenty three
and the Champions Trophy in twenty five and then the
finals of the T twenty World Cup in twenty four,
so he's got a good track record. We understand from
what I'm reading and what I'm hearing and what I'm
sensing is that the players really like him and that
(02:05):
may have been a a key decision in the end
in terms of his ability to bring people together. But
he's taking over some big shoes to fill. From what
Gary Steed said, and you look back. I mean there's
been a lot of noise and talk about coaches. The
first coach that New Zealand Cricket ever had was Glenn
Turner back in nineteen eighty five, and there's only been
twelve of them. And he's the third overseas one behind
(02:25):
Steve Rixon and and Andy Moles who didn't last too
long back in two thousand and late two thousand and nine.
So I think they would have done their homework on
this one. But he has got big shoes to fill
from what Gary Stead has done and left a fantastic legacy.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, I talked to him in a couple of days
back yesterday as it was actually Alex Pale, and I
told him to bring his own shoes and he agreed
there's no point in wearing someone else's when he gets it.
Andy Moles, Do you remember Andy Moles? I've just got
this horrible image of Andy Moles and a fancy dress
dress having Assumo costume, and I can't shake it anymore. Help.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Do I remember Andy Moles? Not in the way you
bide sounds of it. No, that was the first example
of sort of players having this say and getting sacked
wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It may well have been actually, but it will.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Then and then he had diabetes a couple of years
ago and had to have his leg cut off. So
good a Andy, if you listening, I.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Bully you well with him, mate, Oh it's terrible, so
let's let's move on. It's something more uplifting. Tell me
about the new coach.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Well, I think it's as good an appointment as they
could have made. New Zealand Cricket haven't come out and
confirmed it, but it's very widely understod that Shane Bond
was the candidate that missed out in the last two
and you think of the quality that Shane Bond brought
to that team as a bowling coach, and obviously he
doesn't have experience or as much experience as the head coach.
Then it's obviously a decision that they have taken very seriously.
(03:48):
I think it's great. You look at the way that
South African White bull team play and the freedom with
which they play and how they build their game on
sort of quality at the top, stability through the middle
of inpower at the end. I think it's it's as
close to the perfect game plan and white Ball cricket
as you could ask for whether or not that translates
a test cricket, I don't know, but I completely believe
that Rob Walter is the kind of coach that will
(04:11):
have a plan. He spoke very well about red Bull
cricket at the press conference yesterday. He said he loves
that he echoes the sentiments of the players that they
want to play it. And so I'm actually really excited
to see how he gets.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
On anyone who calls themselves a cricket tragic. It's good
bye me. I'm behind him. Behind any city would actually
talk to me until I upset him. So we'll see
how last Hey, Paul Allison, are you struggling with the
whole lucky loser concept and super rugby? I'm not, but
how does you.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Feel about it? It's interesting how much sort of controversy
and a divided opinion there is about this. I actually
quite like it, to be honest, Dars. I mean it
does a few things for me. It keeps two Australian
teams alive a little bit longer. While it did it
up until last night. You know, you've got eight teams
with too many for a quarter finals in an eleven
(05:01):
team competition. The only thing I would suggest though, that
the the losing team should drop to the bottom, not
just one place. So if the Chiefs lost to the
Blues tonight, I actually think they probably should end up
in that sort of fourth place position because they get
the second life through that. But I actually don't mind it,
and I do think it just sort of keeps the
momentum going, it keeps a bit of interest going. The
(05:23):
only thing is the way it's worked out. It's a
bit of a dead rubber tonight, depending on what happens
in this match this afternoon or this evening the one
across in Australia, because both teams could get through if
the Chiefs win that one. But I actually quite like it.
I think it's the only instance that I can find
with a little bit of research that I've done, that
(05:44):
it happens in pro sport. But yeah, I'm not against it.
I know some people are and they think it's a
bit of a farce having a losing team still keeping
their hopes alive. But it is based on where you
finish in the competition. So if you're in that bottom
three and you lose, you basically you can only do
that at the top ones above you when if that
makes any sense. So yeah, I mind, I think it's
(06:04):
quite good. It keeps a bit of a going and
it has been a fantastic Super Rugby season in terms
of fan engagement, and I think this is just another
component of it.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, Alex Powell. I think when the push comes to
shove here, you keep winning, you win the competition, and
in the washup you win the competition. That's all people
worry about, and fans are in just near team winning.
The structure that was pushed upon them due to the
lack of one team actually ended up making the competition
itself extraordinarily vibrant. This is the payoff. Maybe you could
(06:34):
have done better, but I think it's too much moaning
when it just doesn't need to be focused on that.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I mean, I completely respect Paul's opinion of it is
a hard disagree for me. I don't. It doesn't sit
well with me that you can lose a knockout game
and still win a competition like and obviously that hasn't
happened and probably won't happen, but it just shouldn't be
allowed to happen. Whether or not they look at this
next year and think does it work. Do we keep
the structure, do we go to maybe an A league
(07:02):
style system where one and two get a buy a
week one of five finals in three through six playoffs,
so they maybe look at the top four and then
you maybe have home and away semi finals like they
do over in Europe. I think are all things that
should be on the table. I mean, we do need
to wait and see how the rest of the season
plays out. I think for a lot of people, this
lucky loser thing hasn't gone down.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well mm hmm, well they said they complain of the funeral.
I swear Alex Bloody Media Alex Powell, New Zealand Herald
Sports Jenno, Paul Allison, man of the Hour Tower, Power
out of the Deep South when it's on the All
Star panel, A couple more things to discuss shortly, and
then the A nine Pinal join us, and then this
(07:44):
hound gets released. This is News Talk ZB. It's fifteen
to name.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
A Paul Sports Breakfast All Star Pedal.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Lime drowned in the Sweeper eight forty nine News Talk ZB,
Paul Allison, Alex Powell at my time, management is appalling,
but that's okay. We can do this far. Alex Powell,
Liam Lawson's replacing Yuki Sonoda will be given time and support,
which is kind because they didn't give it to Liam.
(08:15):
Has he got any leagues to stand on.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Or who gleam or Yuki?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I think yeah. Red Book can say what they want here.
We know that Yuki's there because Honda have put ten
million US on the table to guarantee that he's there
for the rest of the season. What they do after that,
who knows, but to say they're going to give them
time and support. I think Christian Horan has already come
out and made it clear that all they want now
is Max hastappened to win the Diver's title and if
that means Yuki Snoda finishes last out of every race,
(08:43):
then that's what they'll take.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
That's very, very very real. They're just rather Max than
upset the masses by getting all Michael Schumacher on when
he does report Alison. What we know here is the
second Red Bull car is indeed undrivable.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Well, it's not being driven very well at the moment.
Is that? What's he got nine races so far and
he's got points in just one of them, so a
couple of them. Yes, no, it's not being driven really well,
and it's a mile up for stephan Is. Didn't Red
Bull say something similar around Liam Lawson though in the
first couple of rounds, that we're going to give him
support and look after him and what have you, and
then all of a sudden drop him. So the fact
(09:22):
is that they may well do the same with Sonoda
or his money talking behind that with the Japanese dollar,
that's all end that's coming in into that equation. Yuki
Sinota has been around for a while. He's twenty five
years of age. He's had ninety six starts and he's
finished in twenty nine of those races. In the points
he scored over one hundred and one points in Formula
one history, so his record's not that bad overall. Whether
(09:43):
or not he can get accustomed to this car that
he's driving in which people are saying it's difficult to drive,
we'll have to wait and see. But yeah, let's see
how this plays out. He's certainly going to have a
longest hint in that car than what Liam Lawson did
at the start of the season.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, we definitely know the other racing ball Pedler Isaac Hadger,
who's got so much potential he'll be hiding in the
dark when don't give me that damn card and it's undrivable.
Just really quickly, guys, before we get out of here,
give us results, Alex Powell. Is it Blues or Chiefs?
Is it Hurricanes or someone's written warrtaz in front of
(10:18):
me and I'm just about to ron Bergundre but we
know it's the Brumbies. Who have you got, Alex?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
I think the Chiefs will not make easy work, but
I think they'll get through comfortably against the Blues and
then by that point the Brumby's Hurricanes game will be meaningless,
so I don't really care. But I think I will
go the Brumbies and the Hurricanes to advance as the
lucky loser.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
How uplifting, Paul? What have you got?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah? I think the Chiefs something a little bit. There
will be a hard work against the Blues tonight. I
think the Blues will get up for this one, but
I've got the Chiefs got the Hurricanes narrowly, and then
that means that they will they will finish in third spot,
so they'll play probably the Crusaders. If the Chiefs win,
let's see what happens. But yeah, a couple of good
finals or semi finals or quarterfinals or whatever there called
(11:04):
in the sixteen coup psition to look forward to tonight.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And I myself am pumping for the Hurricanes because I
want New Zealand teams to win, and after what the
Chiefs have done regularly to the Crusaders, I hope the
Blues roll straight over top of them. How petty, Paul Allison,
Alex Powell, thanks so much for your time and opinions.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
For more from the All Sport Breakfast with Darcy Watergrave,
listen live to News Talk set Be on Saturday mornings,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldgrave from News Talk SEDB, Paul Sports Breakfast, All Star Pedal.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
All Star Panel, What on earth was that ere? The
All Star panel consists of Paul Allison. Good morning to you.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Paul, Darcy from a very chilly Central Otago.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I think it's cold everywhere. I'll give you the tip.
It's winter.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Two degrees at the moment. Down on the Deep South.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It was a very chilly seven when I woke up
this morning. Life in Auckland. Get a Alex Powell.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
How are you also very cold? Good morning Darce.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
That's okay, you guys should wear more clothes. Just giving
you the tip. Let's start things off with you, mister Allison.
Rob Walter new coach replacing Gary Stead of course in
a summer experience of him, because he was a Volts
coach five years, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, he was a Volts coach. Then he went to
the Stags, coached New Zealand a for a period of
time assistant coach of the IPL. Interesting that he got
out of his South African contract a little bit more
than two years early, and that was before this decision
was made so I'm not sure whether that was because
of family reasons and his wife being back in New Zealand,
but yeah, we saw some of them in the Deep South.
(01:20):
He's got a good track record. The other interesting thing
for me in this appointment was that New Zealand Cricket
initially went out and advertised us to split the roles
between the white ball and the red ball cricket formats
and now they've decided to stay with the one coach
across all all three formats of the game. So no
real surprise. I think he was the favorite in terms
(01:42):
of the people that were there. He's built up a
pretty good track record with South Africa getting through to
the semi finals of the World Cup and twenty three
and the Champions Trophy in twenty five and then the
finals of the T twenty World Cup in twenty four,
so he's got a good track record. We understand from
what I'm reading and what I'm hearing and what I'm
sensing is that the players really like him and that
(02:05):
may have been a a key decision in the end
in terms of his ability to bring people together. But
he's taking over some big shoes to fill. From what
Gary Steed said, and you look back. I mean there's
been a lot of noise and talk about coaches. The
first coach that New Zealand Cricket ever had was Glenn
Turner back in nineteen eighty five, and there's only been
twelve of them. And he's the third overseas one behind
(02:25):
Steve Rixon and and Andy Moles who didn't last too
long back in two thousand and late two thousand and nine.
So I think they would have done their homework on
this one. But he has got big shoes to fill
from what Gary Stead has done and left a fantastic legacy.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, I talked to him in a couple of days
back yesterday as it was actually Alex Pale, and I
told him to bring his own shoes and he agreed
there's no point in wearing someone else's when he gets it.
Andy Moles, Do you remember Andy Moles? I've just got
this horrible image of Andy Moles and a fancy dress
dress having Assumo costume, and I can't shake it anymore. Help.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Do I remember Andy Moles? Not in the way you
bide sounds of it. No, that was the first example
of sort of players having this say and getting sacked
wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It may well have been actually, but it will.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Then and then he had diabetes a couple of years
ago and had to have his leg cut off. So
good a Andy, if you listening, I.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Bully you well with him, mate, Oh it's terrible, so
let's let's move on. It's something more uplifting. Tell me
about the new coach.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Well, I think it's as good an appointment as they
could have made. New Zealand Cricket haven't come out and
confirmed it, but it's very widely understod that Shane Bond
was the candidate that missed out in the last two
and you think of the quality that Shane Bond brought
to that team as a bowling coach, and obviously he
doesn't have experience or as much experience as the head coach.
Then it's obviously a decision that they have taken very seriously.
(03:48):
I think it's great. You look at the way that
South African White bull team play and the freedom with
which they play and how they build their game on
sort of quality at the top, stability through the middle
of inpower at the end. I think it's it's as
close to the perfect game plan and white Ball cricket
as you could ask for whether or not that translates
a test cricket, I don't know, but I completely believe
that Rob Walter is the kind of coach that will
(04:11):
have a plan. He spoke very well about red Bull
cricket at the press conference yesterday. He said he loves
that he echoes the sentiments of the players that they
want to play it. And so I'm actually really excited
to see how he gets.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
On anyone who calls themselves a cricket tragic. It's good
bye me. I'm behind him. Behind any city would actually
talk to me until I upset him. So we'll see
how last Hey, Paul Allison, are you struggling with the
whole lucky loser concept and super rugby? I'm not, but
how does you.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Feel about it? It's interesting how much sort of controversy
and a divided opinion there is about this. I actually
quite like it, to be honest, Dars. I mean it
does a few things for me. It keeps two Australian
teams alive a little bit longer. While it did it
up until last night. You know, you've got eight teams
with too many for a quarter finals in an eleven
(05:01):
team competition. The only thing I would suggest though, that
the the losing team should drop to the bottom, not
just one place. So if the Chiefs lost to the
Blues tonight, I actually think they probably should end up
in that sort of fourth place position because they get
the second life through that. But I actually don't mind it,
and I do think it just sort of keeps the
momentum going, it keeps a bit of interest going. The
(05:23):
only thing is the way it's worked out. It's a
bit of a dead rubber tonight, depending on what happens
in this match this afternoon or this evening the one
across in Australia, because both teams could get through if
the Chiefs win that one. But I actually quite like it.
I think it's the only instance that I can find
with a little bit of research that I've done, that
(05:44):
it happens in pro sport. But yeah, I'm not against it.
I know some people are and they think it's a
bit of a farce having a losing team still keeping
their hopes alive. But it is based on where you
finish in the competition. So if you're in that bottom
three and you lose, you basically you can only do
that at the top ones above you when if that
makes any sense. So yeah, I mind, I think it's
(06:04):
quite good. It keeps a bit of a going and
it has been a fantastic Super Rugby season in terms
of fan engagement, and I think this is just another
component of it.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, Alex Powell. I think when the push comes to
shove here, you keep winning, you win the competition, and
in the washup you win the competition. That's all people
worry about, and fans are in just near team winning.
The structure that was pushed upon them due to the
lack of one team actually ended up making the competition
itself extraordinarily vibrant. This is the payoff. Maybe you could
(06:34):
have done better, but I think it's too much moaning
when it just doesn't need to be focused on that.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I mean, I completely respect Paul's opinion of it is
a hard disagree for me. I don't. It doesn't sit
well with me that you can lose a knockout game
and still win a competition like and obviously that hasn't
happened and probably won't happen, but it just shouldn't be
allowed to happen. Whether or not they look at this
next year and think does it work. Do we keep
the structure, do we go to maybe an A league
(07:02):
style system where one and two get a buy a
week one of five finals in three through six playoffs,
so they maybe look at the top four and then
you maybe have home and away semi finals like they
do over in Europe. I think are all things that
should be on the table. I mean, we do need
to wait and see how the rest of the season
plays out. I think for a lot of people, this
lucky loser thing hasn't gone down.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well mm hmm, well they said they complain of the funeral.
I swear Alex Bloody Media Alex Powell, New Zealand Herald
Sports Jenno, Paul Allison, man of the Hour Tower, Power
out of the Deep South when it's on the All
Star panel, A couple more things to discuss shortly, and
then the A nine Pinal join us, and then this
(07:44):
hound gets released. This is News Talk ZB. It's fifteen
to name.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
A Paul Sports Breakfast All Star Pedal.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Lime drowned in the Sweeper eight forty nine News Talk ZB,
Paul Allison, Alex Powell at my time, management is appalling,
but that's okay. We can do this far. Alex Powell,
Liam Lawson's replacing Yuki Sonoda will be given time and support,
which is kind because they didn't give it to Liam.
(08:15):
Has he got any leagues to stand on.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Or who gleam or Yuki?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I think yeah. Red Book can say what they want here.
We know that Yuki's there because Honda have put ten
million US on the table to guarantee that he's there
for the rest of the season. What they do after that,
who knows, but to say they're going to give them
time and support. I think Christian Horan has already come
out and made it clear that all they want now
is Max hastappened to win the Diver's title and if
that means Yuki Snoda finishes last out of every race,
(08:43):
then that's what they'll take.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
That's very, very very real. They're just rather Max than
upset the masses by getting all Michael Schumacher on when
he does report Alison. What we know here is the
second Red Bull car is indeed undrivable.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Well, it's not being driven very well at the moment.
Is that? What's he got nine races so far and
he's got points in just one of them, so a
couple of them. Yes, no, it's not being driven really well,
and it's a mile up for stephan Is. Didn't Red
Bull say something similar around Liam Lawson though in the
first couple of rounds, that we're going to give him
support and look after him and what have you, and
then all of a sudden drop him. So the fact
(09:22):
is that they may well do the same with Sonoda
or his money talking behind that with the Japanese dollar,
that's all end that's coming in into that equation. Yuki
Sinota has been around for a while. He's twenty five
years of age. He's had ninety six starts and he's
finished in twenty nine of those races. In the points
he scored over one hundred and one points in Formula
one history, so his record's not that bad overall. Whether
(09:43):
or not he can get accustomed to this car that
he's driving in which people are saying it's difficult to drive,
we'll have to wait and see. But yeah, let's see
how this plays out. He's certainly going to have a
longest hint in that car than what Liam Lawson did
at the start of the season.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, we definitely know the other racing ball Pedler Isaac Hadger,
who's got so much potential he'll be hiding in the
dark when don't give me that damn card and it's undrivable.
Just really quickly, guys, before we get out of here,
give us results, Alex Powell. Is it Blues or Chiefs?
Is it Hurricanes or someone's written warrtaz in front of
(10:18):
me and I'm just about to ron Bergundre but we
know it's the Brumbies. Who have you got, Alex?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
I think the Chiefs will not make easy work, but
I think they'll get through comfortably against the Blues and
then by that point the Brumby's Hurricanes game will be meaningless,
so I don't really care. But I think I will
go the Brumbies and the Hurricanes to advance as the
lucky loser.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
How uplifting, Paul? What have you got?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah? I think the Chiefs something a little bit. There
will be a hard work against the Blues tonight. I
think the Blues will get up for this one, but
I've got the Chiefs got the Hurricanes narrowly, and then
that means that they will they will finish in third spot,
so they'll play probably the Crusaders. If the Chiefs win,
let's see what happens. But yeah, a couple of good
finals or semi finals or quarterfinals or whatever there called
(11:04):
in the sixteen coup psition to look forward to tonight.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And I myself am pumping for the Hurricanes because I
want New Zealand teams to win, and after what the
Chiefs have done regularly to the Crusaders, I hope the
Blues roll straight over top of them. How petty, Paul Allison,
Alex Powell, thanks so much for your time and opinions.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
For more from the All Sport Breakfast with Darcy Watergrave,
listen live to News Talk set Be on Saturday mornings,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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