November 12, 2024 • 51 mins
Dylan Cleaver & Paul Ford join Jason Hoyte for another episode of NZ's #1 cricket pod, the BYC!
In this episode, the guys review the Black Caps' performance in the T20s against Sri Lanka, especially from the newbies (0:00), before previewing the ODI Series (14:35). Then the guys discuss the upcoming Test Series against BazBall (20:17), Pakistan beating the Aussies and the punishing return of Davy Dumb Dumb (23:32).
Also, they go around the grounds of the Plunkett Shield (32:12).
Plus, all your favourite BYC segments ‘Who Am I’ (36:15), 'News Or Ruse' (40:34) and 'Cricket Violence Corner' (47:10).
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Live from the ex Board Bear Garden Studios. You're listening
to the BYC where we're still basking on the glow
of our series victory against India. With that in mind,
I must admit to finding it difficult getting aroused in
any way about the T twenty series against Sri Lanka. However,
there were some notable performances and it's also an opportunity
(00:26):
to blood new players as we look to identify the
next tier of Black Caps, and I feel more and
more Dylan Cleaver that T twenty is just a breathing
ground now. It's something where maybe selectors and so forth
of various countries just said as an opportunity to give
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other players an opportunity, which suggests to me that they
don't really care immensely about it. It's just a training exercise.
Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Half and half? I think you're wrong. When it comes
to World Championships, I think they're sure. I think they
care very deeply about doing well at those. But in
terms of a non contextual bilateral T twenty series, I
think you're dead right that it is. Let's have a
look at this fuller. Let's have a look and see
how they go under the pressure of international cricket. But yeah,
(01:19):
I mean, one all, I think that's probably about as
good as you can hope for in that New Zealand
team that's shorn of most of it stars. Yes, and yeah,
and there were some intriguing little performances there from a
few guys.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah. And look, I'll be really honest with you, Paul Ford.
You know, we've talked a lot on this podcast about,
you know, looking at the next tier of players, and
I'm all for giving players an opportunity, but holy how
I mean to go from that series against India down
to a T twenty to you know, two program sort
of situation in T twenties against Sri Lanka. She's a
(01:53):
bit of a drop down, mate. It's hard to get
the old enthusiasm going.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
It's ratchet scheduling, it really is.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah. I was struggled with that too. I've got to
say though, I was. I've been thinking about this and
I got a real kick out of us winning that
second game.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I really did. And for me, it.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Was just a little bit of icing on the cake
after the massively, massively unexpected result in India.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And you know, I.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Guess that's just renewed my faith. You know, schlank are
that good. I think they're ranked number eight and teach
twenty cricket. But the fact of the matter is that
with that team, Mitchell Center in charge and all of
that Jazz pretty much the only senior player along with
maybe Glenn Phillips and arguably Will Young Lucky. Maybe I
just thought we were going to get thumped and then
(02:46):
we didn't. And so I guess the combination of those
two things is renewed my faith after I felt like
I lost it in that Sri Lankan test series. So
I hate to break it to you, fellas, but I'm
back in the frothy optimist Optimistic supporters club again Inurious.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, and look, you know, I don't want to denigrate
it anyway, and I have always put my cards on
the table with regards to T twenty. I'm not a
massive fan of it, but I it is great. Let's
be honest to see some new talent coming through, you know,
to see how they go to have a completely different
setup in regard to the team Santana a skipper, et cetera,
et cetera. So let's look at the first game. And
(03:23):
I thought, oh Lordie, okay, but having you know, there
was some pretty dominous signs there Dylan Cleaver, but also
some some nice standout performances in terms of the new Zealanders. Yep.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I think the first thing we should say is that
at Dan Buller, it was Dan Buller, wasn't it not
Pala Kelly. Yep, Dan Buller wasn't conducive to massively entertaining No.
Twenty cricket. But I yeah, look, I have seen Bagger
all of Zach Falkes to the point where I don't
even really know how to say his name properly. But
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twenty seven I think it is folks.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I think it's just folks that folks.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Okay, it's going to go where folks from now, But
twenty seven out of sixteen and then three for twenty
with the ball, and you know, he looks he looks handy,
like he looks the kind of and like this is
woefully premature, but he looks like the kind of player
that could really add something across all three formats.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yes, And I think that's the good thing, you know,
is that if you're sort of showing this new talent,
the encouraging thing is that they can potentially play across
all forms, not just b T twenty specialists. What were
your thoughts there, Paul Ford in that first game.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah, look, I think Folks was absolutely caught the eye.
He's only twenty two, I think only twenty two in June,
so he's a he is a young buck bowls one
hundred and thirty five kilometers an hour.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Not bad teams in jess it around.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
He's got some couple of variations back of the hand,
slow and split finger and gives it a whack.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
With the bat.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I mean, this is a kid who's come out of
St Andrew's College, won the Gillette Cup with that first
eleven and twenty nineteen, from a cricket family, but he
is the best cricketer in his family. So yeah, his
old man played for Canterbury Country and he played in
that team with his younger brother Robbie and his older
brother Liam, so.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Real Canterbury Stock. He looks hip. I really really like
the look of him.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I think, yeah, it looks like he's going to be
right in contention for that sort of the next cab
off the rank alongside you know, someone like Nathan Smith.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I think you got a Yeah, Nathan Smith, he's a
real prospect m And you've got to look at it
two in context of I guess you'd have to say
regarding Test cricket, Glenn Phillips is kind of out all
rounder now and we don't have that sort of Chris
Ken's type character who can bowl a pretty nippy delivery
and give it a bit of a thump and you
(05:57):
know you're Jimmy Nishams and so forth. Their sort of
down the line now, So it's encouraging. How old did
you say? It was? Twenty two? You know to see
because he caught my eye too and I thought, hello, hello,
he's a prospect here and certainly for higher honors in
terms of Test cricket.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, and I think the one thing that's really lacking
from our Test side at the moment is that balance
that a seam bowling all around of brings. I think
before we started a naunting him there. He's got to
get a few more runs, of course, like big runs
in first clast cricket. But yeah, certainly, yeah, he Yeah,
he was intriguing. That's the word I kept coming back to.
I kept on watching him and thinking, yeah, this kid,
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sure he might have come through the the Canterbury. I
guess it's now the tried and true way into the
New Zealand team, isn't it to go to a private
school in christ Church? Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Come on, now, come on now the Yeah. Can I
ask you guys a question just in terms of, you know,
looking at the other formats, your one day cricket, Test cricket.
You know, with Michael Bracewall coming back into into the
sort of fray as it were, it's kind of a
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head to head between him and Phillips. Now do you.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Think, Yeah, I think he might actually be on the
outer and Test cricket now sure, because Phillips has taken
that mantle. Yes. The one thing I would say about
Phillips though, is again like if he's going to be
an all arounder and Test cricket, he's got to start scoring
centuries like big runs. And he's made a couple of
really telling cameos at this point. But yeah, you would
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like to see him. I mean you what Daniel for
Torre sixty centuries?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Did he?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I think he ended up sixtieth century?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah? Pretty handy average too, thirty odd.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You look at guys like Chris Ken's five Test centuries
averaging in the thirties, so I think Phillips needs to
have some substance to the cameos. But I do think
he's gone ahead of Bracewell for their off spinners around
us things is the other interesting thing. Who has actually
got a test century But you can't I don't think
(08:06):
in New Zealand conditions, in particularly, you can play more
than one of those spins around.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Us one of three there. Pull forward?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, that's right?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Good?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Good?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Isn't it lovely conversation to be having? Not Oh my
god is injured? What the hell are we going to do?
It's much more about how how do we squeeze all
these guys in? And you know, the Williamson will Young
conundrum is the other one, which we've talked about previously.
But these are good problems, right, these are bloody good
problems there.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, well, I feel like you pull forward quite optimistic,
you know, because we were here talking about oh god,
I mean, where's the talent coming through, et cetera, et cetera.
And it's beginning to sort of emerge, which is exciting.
So we go to game two and then it's like,
oh god, okay, so it's going to be a two
nil here but not to be Dylan Kleber.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, I didn't see a lot of the New Zealand earnings.
I have to confess. I just saw the highlights, and
they were in a huge amount of them. I think
Will Young might have top scored with a grinding thirty
or thirty two. But I did watch the entirety of
the chase and New Zealand were on top of things.
They looked good again in conditions that were pretty helpful.
(09:17):
But someone who didn't have a great tournament with the
sorry series with the bat, Mitch Hay certainly made up
for it behind the stumps in that second game with
six dismissals. So he's played two Internationals and he's now
a world record holder, and a couple of those catches
were pretty bloody good, including one where he dropped an
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edge up a spinner onto the stumps and regathered it
before it hit the ground.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yes, drama, that was.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
A weird one.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I actually got on such a nerd and I shouldn't
confess this and you won't be that surprised, but when
that happened, I was trying to work out whether a
wicket keeper is allowed to sort of use the stumps
as leverage from making a catch. Now, not saying that
he did that, but obviously knocked the bails off and
got a bit hectic.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
My understanding of the rules is that, yeah, you can.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
You can kind of use the use the glove to
sort of wedge the and wedge the ball up against it.
As long as it doesn't touch the ground, you're good
to go. So yeah, bloody difficult thing to pull off.
I think he had a couple of catches like that
where he kind of juggled it and caught it at
the second go and went into the huddle cackling away
to himself.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yes, well, and you see a lot of poultry. One
hundred and eight and then a bit of a contribution
there from our good man Lucky Ferguson and Sri Lanka
shot the bed.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That hat trick. That hat trick was curious. The first
one it looked like a squeeze initially like there wasn't
a massive amount of excitement. Luckie Ferguson you he had
had nicked it. But at first sight it looked like
it was a full toss that the better squeezed into
the ground, but it wasn't. It was actually a half folly, so.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
That was out.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Then the next one was a pretty adjacent LBW coming
around and look at to a left hander and I
think it was the guy who scored all the runs
in the Test series. The mindoumendous. And then the third
one was just a rank awful delivery to our league side,
which the guy got a feather on and Mitchell took
(11:18):
a good catch something down the league side. But yeah,
I love what Paul was written down here in the notes,
which is just classic Lucky right. It reeks absolutely havoc
and then follows it up with a torn hemy Yeah,
or it might be calf this time, is it.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I'll tell you what. We our fast bowlers. It's just infuriating.
Who's the other quirkie that was always apart from Jamison
of course mil.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Who they brought over, yes, to replace, And that's tempting
fate of fever I've seen.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, So we're going and heading into the one day
is now and oh.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Can I just say one more point on that second game? Yes,
the set up from the Sri Lankan rabbit.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Of the baseball, the Shara sensational.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Have you ever seen anything like that before?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
No, it was highly ineffective. It was terrible, but jezus
looked magnificent, real MLB stuff, wasn't it. Yeah, there was
a great piece of fielding too from Michael Bracelell in
that game, diving over the rope.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
He's a fantastic.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Field of bracelet caught the ball, scooped it back kind
of under his body as he clattered onto the ground.
Well beyond the the toblerone. And you know, when you
look at the maths in the final equation, super super important.
And yeah, Glenn Phillips, great job as the closer in
that game. Three wickets and his over and yeah, the
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lucky Ferguson thing. I mean, I actually when I was
watching that, I jotted down some notes about his first over,
which which was the start of the hat trick, the
last ball of that over, which was the eighth ball
of that over.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It was just a mannic over.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
There were beamers, there was there were appeals, there were
side ages, there were it was just ridiculous. Betsman got
caught off a no ball. It was just absolutely wild.
And then he comes back, completes the hectoric and hobbles
off Paul Bastard.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, well you know and as you said earlier, Paul Forward,
you know, I'm pretty happy with one all given where
we were. I'll take it in our record, yes, and
our record in Sri Lanka and the fact that there
were a lot of most of the team missing. So yeah,
I'll give that a tech. I'll give that a six
point five out of ten. Now the one day is
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coming up thirteenth of November, seventeenth of November and nineteenth November.
I'm a little more interested in those as rung out
with a hammy and lockeye out with a calf. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, this looms is relatively important given that there's not
a lot of one day cricket. I been here in
the Champions Trophy, the Champions Trophy which is now looking
a little imperiled. You do some geopolitical differences between the
hosts and the most important cricket country in the world,
But regardless, is.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
It just is it geopolitical? Is it just shit housery
from India?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
India just refusing to go to Pakistan to play.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yeah, and Sri Lanka, of course, just for the record,
they don't give a shit about that because they didn't
qualify for the Champions Trophy, because they came ninth in
the World Cup, so they definitely don't care about the
Champions Trophy.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
But we do, we do. And yeah, look it starts
tonight in dan Buller before they go to Palakelly.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I am quite interested in this. I'm interested in seeing
how some of these guys go in a format where
they've got a little bit more time to express themselves.
I think it's probably Mitchey obviously needs some runs. Yes,
Will Young. It's funny, we were almost talking about him
like the senior better and the squad at the moment,
but you know, he's probably a fringe player at best.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
So this is are you talking in terms of following
on from here for the Cheaampions Trophy? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, yeah, So there's a lot of things that Will
they need to sort out for the Champions Trophy, and
this is this is the start.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I sort of yeah, I sort of feel for Forward
on the Well Young front. You know that he's kind
of earned his place now and he deserves a bit
of respect and a bit of support in terms of
being kind of seen as a regular member of the
side or am I being biased?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I think you can be those two things. No, I
think right, I think, Yeah, I feel like he's I agree.
I think he's in that spot and he should be
in the you know, ahead of the likes of Henry Nichols,
barring what happens over the next few days. So Gladdy good.
Good for him to be in there and under some pressure.
Another guy to keep an eye on. Tim Robinson, who's
sort of making noises about. You know, he's a contracted player,
didn't do much in the t twenties. Is he then
(15:46):
next Fanellen or is he not? We've mentioned Nathan Smith. Interesting,
interesting to be watching him and he's tonight.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, out of a targer, out of a targer. Yeah,
because I was reading an article about him as a
as a real prospect for the future. Got the most
wickets in the first class last year, was that right? Yep, yep,
I'm pretty nippy.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
When I played the season of county cricket. I think
he might even be Omoru. Originally he might even be
north Ochago. But yeah, I mean he's twenty six years old.
Good age, good age, good age. Yet my only worry
about Nathan Smith is just maybe a few kilometers short
of what you need your start a bowling. He bowls,
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he's kind of a hit the deck hard guy. But
I mean he's not tall like Jamison or Rourke. And yeah,
I don't know you've seen more of them, Paul. But
does he have that kind of one forty two to
one forty five in him?
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I think he does, But does he have it consistently
or so I think as your point, yeah, I'm not sure.
And yeah, it's interesting there's a real trial in this
series for that fourth Seema because you've got Duffy, who
is maybe the incumbent with Sears out. Cougar Line's not
in here, so you know, there's a bit of a
duel here between a three way duel between Smith, Duffy
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and you know, arguably someone like Folks could come steaming
through the middle if they decide to get a bit
funky for this England Test series.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But yeah, look, it's not it's not certain.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
The other thing that Jason, I think you'll agree is
that it would be really good if Mark Chapman didn't
drop any.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Catches what is going on there?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
He Look, I think he's just got the YEPS man.
It's just that classic because as we say, all that
time ago where all the started for him, he's actually
not a bad fieldsman. He moves nicely, yes, but I
think it's just you know, it's like my passing at
the moment. It's just all over the place. And I
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think he gets an anxiety attack when he sees the
ball in the air coming towards him, you know what
I mean, he has a full blown panic attack.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I think that is I think there is some something
merit in that. Actually, I do think that when you've
spilled a few, and my word is spilled a few,
you do get to a point where you're out in
the field and you're.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Actually hoping it doesn't come near, and the ball.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Doesn't come near. You'd be quite heavy to station yourself
at third man and field a few grounders that go
down to third man. But you don't you do know
what anything in the year coming your way, And I
reckon Chapman's at that point that testy that catchy dropped
in Mumbai. Ah Man, that is just.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Awful, I know. But also but also you know that
that probably is a stot. Put me down at third man,
and then there's a massive top edge as soon as
you move there, and you know, and it's isn't it funny?
How when shit isn't going well for you in any
form of the game, you know, but particularly fielding. The
ball suddenly starts following you around everywhere.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
It's so hard to hide. It's so hard to hide.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yes, sure.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
The other thing about this series coming up is that
it's obviously going to be a real spin friendly track.
And we're talking about, you know, trialing, running this trial
for the fourth sema, and I don't think we're going
to get a lot of pictures that are going to
be particularly conducive to pay some who we've got. We've
got sat in Embrace, Will Phillips and Sodi and Jase.
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I think you've got the list of Shri Lankan spinners there.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Look at them the center of the match person himself
for those of you that can't see him. So do Paul,
how would they look at? Do you know? Well a
Lagi uh Commendo, Mendes, tariff Aslanka and do Himantha well done?
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So yeah, I don't know much about them, but let's
assume they'll be pretty handy with the ball in hand.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Well, the good news, Jason is that huss is not
there because his little chubby hamstring didn't hold up during
the t twenty, so he won't be there. And I'm
pretty sure the last block you mentioned is the guy
that came in from duchan Amantha, another legie. So going
to be plenty of intrigue at the Sri Lankan Bowl increase.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Hey, now, let's talk about this this upcoming Test series.
And I've just read this here on the notes, all
but a sellout across the three tests. How good? With
the question asked, why is that? I just think Dylan
clear with it that England is always England is always
a very popular prospect for fans of cricket when they
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come to New Zealand. It doesn't surprise me at all
that that's the case, particularly given of course we're on
this high after India. People are just into it.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
They bring a big traveling support with them. Yes, I
mean the Barmai Army love coming to New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Two percent of the tickets have been sold off shore.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah good.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
And it also is the McCallum Stokes thing, Yes, that
New Zealand connection. I think you know, there's seems to
be these things go in cycles, right, and there's a
real pushback on the whole baseball term now and and
but you still can't deny that they play a brand
of cricket that's pretty intoxicating and you want to be
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there to watch it. And it also is not that
long ago and it's still quite fresh in our memories
that Test from the Basin, the follow on Test, that
New Zealand one, and it's just like, yeah, I want
to be part of this. I mean, the only thing
I have a little bit of concern about is Test
(21:39):
in christ Stretch in November still can be a bit
nippy down there that time of year. But apart from that,
it's just yeah, get me there. Just want to be
part of it.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, I'm absolutely proffing about it. Pul Ford, it's so good.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah I am as well, of course, but you know,
as say, I'm back in full optimist mode.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Of course I am.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
But I think the other thing is that the Black
Cats have earned the right of, you know, just be
selling out these three grounds. You know that what they
did in India is extraordinary. I do think people will
want to come out and salute that. There hasn't really
been an opportunity to do that as they've gone straight
on to Sri Lanka. And the other thing is for
cricket nerds like us, But there's a massive hole in
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the calendar after this. I mean basically, you know, no
cricket sort of no long form cricket tool is it
next year? I think it's bloody ages. Wait and I
think only next summer. It's only the West Indies as well,
so you know there's a real gap. And of course,
and for real nerds, they will be thinking about the
maths of the World Test Championship and wanting to help
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New Zealand get up and potentially potentially qualify for that
final next year at Lord's in June.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, I think it's just going to be an absolute cracker.
I'll be glued to the TV, much to my wife's
chagrin and.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Real shame of it. As Paul mentioned there is Yeah,
it's just so barren after this series. Yes, yeah, just
make the most of this Test series, hold on to it,
cuddle it, because after that, unless we make that final
at Lord's in June, I think it is it's a
long time before we're getting more five day cricket. Yeah, which,
(23:17):
actually I mean it's just a noise the shit out.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yes, samee Man and t You're gonna have your tea too,
and he's even your one days. Give me test cricket
any day of the week, any day of the week.
But I'll tell you what we're gonna do. I're gonna
have a little break here and come back very shortly.
Welcome back to this b YC podcast. So Pakistan beat
Australia in Australia. I loved it. I loved it. Australia
(23:43):
of course, winning the first one day, just just but
the Australians really under the pump and not handling pace
at all. Ralph was just next level.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
How good what a great cricketer is to watch because
you watch them run up sometimes doesn't look like he
knows what has run up is. He's got these funny
little paces. He seems to take off from different spots.
A couple of the deliveries he bowled, his front foot
was only just ahead of the line where the stumps
are at like no danger of him doing Muhammad Ama
type nobles in that game, but just real pace, like fire.
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And there's nothing better than watching quick bowlers on top
of the game in places like Perth. Yeah, I watched
the entirety of that game, the decider in Perth in
Pakistan just so much better than Australia. It was. It
was actually quite weird watching it. It was and you
they're under fire Australia, They're getting.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
It, and so they should be because asking themselves and
you know, was it Australia alb first and foremost pull
forward and just specifically on that final game, which was
the deciding game, a very very under power Australian side.
And was that a specific decision of Australian cricket to
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rest their key players for that match, because my assumption
is that that was always what they were planning to do,
but they would have thought that they would have been
too nill ahead by then.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I reckon that. I agree one hundred percent, Jase. I
reckon that was absolutely the script. And then things went
off piece in that second game, very nearly went off
piece in the first and still have mentioned, but yes,
Australia are always going to going to rest their red ball
players from these games. Basically it was sort of an
optional to play, so I think Cummens played the Pat
Cummins played the first game. But yeah, look it was
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it felt like a mismatch. That's exactly right, and I
love some of the headlines. You know, Pakistan punished disengaged
Australia for their first series winning for twenty and twenty
two years.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I love that. Some sensational pace bowling. I mean you
mentioned Harris Ralph.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I mean the last time we saw him, I think
he was getting in a punch up at the TEA
twenty World Cup and then he's just ferocious. Shane Shah
Fredi and Nasim Shah was sensational and I absolutely love
I don't know if you saw this, but Cooper Connley,
the great White Hope, this twenty one year old slogger,
the surfy looking kid and the Pakistan fast body you've
never heard of. Muhammad has Nae broke his hand so
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see you later. That probably him out for a few weeks.
Absolutely fantastic from from Pakistan. Yeah, got a real sense
of joy out of that. I did love seeing Pat
Cummins get into trouble as his wife I assume kind
of not against as will, but probably.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Surprised him by banging that photo up on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Literally as the Australians were losing, which really does wind
everyone up.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
But you know, you're just it was the decider.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
You're absolutely right, I think they've stuffed up here and
it's it just plays into that narrative that Pat Cummins
and the Australians are out of touch with Heartland Australia.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
It's great to see, yeah, I And you used a
word there in one of the headlines which I watch
was the sort of impression that I got, which was
disengaged and arrogant. And you know, but what the interesting thing,
as it always is with Pakistan, is my god, they've
got talent. Their pace attack, their pace attack is next level.
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And I was like, why are these guys so damn erratic?
I mean, it must be infuriating for the coaches when
you've got that kind of talent that they're so up
and down. But it kind of turned around with that
Test series against England, didn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
But the problem was is the problem is the test
services they put them on in Pakistan. Yes, they get
really worried about the opposition strengths. So the first Test,
I can't remember if it was Raoul Pindi against England,
it was an absolutely flat track and Shahin Sharaffredi got
blitzed by basball, which you're not allowed to call it now.
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And so they lose. In Pakistan, there is no patience.
They just lose patients straight away. So they've been him,
they've been a Nasim Shah clearly is a really good player,
gutsy player, but not those two were gone and instead
they give them absolute bunts and burner tracks. They come
back into that series through their spinners and win it.
But then you go to a place like Australia which
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just suits them down to the ground and you realize
how good they can be.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yes, absolutely, that's that.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Is their problem, I think is the patience of their
selectors at home and actually giving these guys some decent
services onto which to display their full pallid of skills.
Because man, that that four prong pace attack the other day. Yeah,
I barely even heard of that guy has name, but yes,
I mean either he broke Connelly's hand, he was whizzing
it over heads. He was he looked highly entertaining.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
And they had they bowl, they had they bowled this
many have spin zero. Yeah, it's just the bull blitz
And am I.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Right in saying that. Jason Gillespie or is it Jason
Gillespie he's the coach or he's the bowling coach.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
He's the coach at the moment, and Gary Kirston was
the director of cricket. But Gary Kirston walked out when
they suddenly stripped him and Gillespie of any selectorial powers.
I think that's how it went. Yes, so yeah, and
it's just off the field, it's just chaos and that
will never change.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
I remember Gillespie this week too, sorry about He actually
came out in the aftermath of the series win and said,
you know, the Australians were disengaged and what he means
by he means the Australian public, he means the Australian players,
and he stood the Cricket Australia's marketing. It was no
promotion of this series that he saw. Every poster, every billboard,
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every social media post that he saw was for border
Gavascar for the Australia Indian Cricket Series, which really pissed
the Pakistani's off.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
And obviously how they played better.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
And it isn't fascinating because we were talking about, you
know that maybe INDIAD you know, didn't have their eye
on the ball when it came to playing us, so
that they too were possibly guilty of looking ahead to
that tour of Australia. Australia are guilty of the same thing,
and as a result of that, both sides in this
huge upcoming series now look like idiots because they've been
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given a hiding by the teams that they've played previous
to the series.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Isn't that great?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah? I love it. I love it. Don't get me wrong, man.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
We're reveler Lions fighting back against the Dark Empire.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah good.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
We need to factor this into our scheduling. We need
to look at when all of the headline big dog
series are and just sneak in there and play them
just before they guess, before they get there, because I
feel like we did this to England ahead of the
Ashes as well. We just sort of snuck in there
with a slightly ramshekel team and gave them a touch
up just before the Ashes in England last time around.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Two, you know. Having said that, actually I'm looking forward
to that series in the Australia. Oh just as a
side note here, feel as I discovered on Sky which
I've been enjoying quite a lot actually the sort of
domestic Australian cricket, you know, and I've been watching the Indie, RA,
Australia or A tests. Yeah, that's you know, for cricket fans,
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it's quite nice to sort of stumble upon that quality
of cricket pretty good.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Well again, that's been quite controversial in Australia because of
those India AA, Australia A essentially became a bat off
for the one remaining opening spot, yes in the Australian
team to partner Usman Kwaja and they ended up giving
it to the guy who doesn't open South of South
Australian middle order player Nathan McSweeney.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
And he was a skipper, wasn't he. Oh yeah, was
he the skipper?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
He did skipper And yeah, you got people. I think
it's a former Australian payer whose name just as Casey
at the moment just come out and said they're just guessing.
It's just complete guesswork. They've got no idea what they're doing. Oh.
I was Joe Burns, the former Queensland opener who I
think he scored big runs against New Zealand and McCallum's
last series as skipper.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah, and I'll tell you one of the things, genuinely
as a cricket lover that I am looking forward to
us seeing how jazz well goes over there for Australia,
because he's great to watch and he he, he just
gives it a bash, all right. Our own domestic game,
the Plunket Shield CD versus Otago and Napier Otago two
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O three Max two eighty five Randall four for twenty
one and three for two CD three fifty nine for
nine d Kleaver one fifty one night out Muller three
for fifty two.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Well, actually they said vace a little bit since then
Otago at the time of reading, and now one O
six for eight in their second inning is crashing towards
a heavy defeat against the mighty CD. But the curious
thing about that being three for two overnight last night
was the fact they sent two night watchmen out to
the crease. Because the first night watchman, who I think
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was Travis Muller, did they have the curious incident of
being caught on the boundary, which is.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Not really as a night watchman, that's not your job
to have a tonk are your boys pull forward? I
don't know if you got down to watch any of this.
Wellington versus Auckland, Auckland won eighty four, Bevan Jacobs seventy five,
Logan Van beat five for fifty three and one seventy
one for six. Will o'donald fifty two not out Wellington
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two to seventy, Van beat one oh one. Peter old Wife,
I feel like that's some sort of set up there,
and Jordan seventy five and Jordan Sussex four for fifty.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Paul did see it out in the window.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Regendravendra, Devin Conway and Tom Blundell all playing in that game,
along with Finn Allen. And yeah, that's advanced a little
bit as well. Auckland actually managed to rustle up three
hundred and seventeen. So I've done the quick math. It
looks like Wellington need about two hundred and thirty to
win that one. They're currently started like an absolute sack
of shit. They're one for one and both Batsman at
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the crease zero not out with Retch and Revenger and
next Devin Conways and so yeah, look out, it could
be quite quite a thriller. I might have to check
my annual leave balance for this afternoon.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
So that's there was a nice little double of seventy
seventy five and seventy nine from I think it's Bevan
John Jacobs, who's an interesting cricketer himself.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
So that's right, and it's been pretty that game though.
We should give Logan van Bekers shout out betting. I
think at number eight scored one hundred and a five
wicket bag. Pretty sensational from him to resurrect that first
innings of Wellington.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Hey, just there's a very quick sideline here, fin allen.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Ah, Now, let me tell you about his little innings
opening the batting and the I think he failed in
the first deck, open the batting and the second deck.
He might even be skipper. Yeah, Paul might have to
go to the interweb while I'm relating this little tale.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
But solely I think is the skipper.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Solely is the skipper, right, So he was opening with
Solier and he scored forty nine in the second ins.
I'm pretty sure that forty nine was made up of
ten fours and one six. Wow, that's correct, And he
went out having a wild swipe across the line.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
That was good. Good Canterbury versus Indiant Hagley Canterbury three
sixty one for nine Chad Bows one oh seven, Matt
Boyle fifty nine, Christian Clark four for eighty three in
D two ninety one for eight, San Deep, Patawel fifty
six and bred Hampton fifty. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Well, Indy actually managed to get their way up to
five point fifty two for nine declared, so they did
really well. I'm guessing that must mean that Wags scored
some runs. But what a start to the season for
Chad Bows. He scored that record setting double ton in
the four Trophy, scored a ton in the first round
of the Plunket Shield, so yeah, all power to him.
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He kind of feels like a name that's was very
briefly in New Zealand Lights but as all disappeared out
of it. But perhaps there will be the second coming
of Chad Bows made.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Them thirty three and twenty six in that match.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Right, great stuff. Now I will take another short break here.
When we come back, it'll be Dylan Cleavers. Who am I?
Welcome back to the BYC And now it's time for
Dylan Cleavers. Who am I? It's Dylan Cleavers, who am I?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, last week we had several correct answers. I thought
I made the clues particularly cryptic, but people recognize that
it was in fact, Craig Spearman. A couple of good
little bits of correspondence actually from Matt Parker wrote, Hey guys,
I believe the answer is Craig Spearman. I moved to
London to work in banking around the same time as his.
As him, I grew up as a wisty, although not
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quite as big as whisty as where he went to school.
I think he were to Kelston Boys. I always thought
that Craig Spearman was in my commercial law tutorial once
at Auckland Union nineteen ninety three. Had heard of him
listen to the shell trophy, just looked it up and
he went to Massy. So now that whole story is
ruined all the best man.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And Peter Douglas wrote, Craig Mary Spearman, tough clues. I
just think about these things a lot. I understand, Peter,
so do I. I seem to record he had three
hundred plus for Gloucestershire, which broke the county record held
by a reasonable player named W. G. Grace. Mind blowing
stuff for any black Cat fan left pulling their hair
out at his lovely but inconsequential twenties and thirties in
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the late nineties. Keep up the great work. That is correct.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
He was such an exasperating player, wasn't he? Man? And
he's right lovely twenties and thirties. Ah, he had so
much talent, Craig Spearman.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
He looked like he could see your past.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Yes, destructive, absolutely destructive batsman on his day. That three
hundred and forty one that he got for Gloucestershire unbelievable.
He's an absolute legend in there at that county, isn't he.
And the other thing about him quite a sort of
quite a sad story. Actually, he was a compulsive gambler
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and has been a real front man for that. I
think we might have talked about that that before, but yeah,
quite quite sad. And he genuinely talks about, you know,
the time that he can pinpoint when it moved from
being recreational gambling to problem gambling.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
And then Black Captain stopped over.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I think it was in Ken's on the way to
a tour in India or Pakistan or off to the
sub continent, and he lost an absolute ship ton of money,
won it all back, but realized realized that he had
had a real problem and yeah that kind of he
had this. I think it was his wife got really sick,
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and yeah there was also there's all sorts of really
difficult stuff that he's had to encounter. So yeah, quite
an interesting character for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
All Right, Dylan hit us mate.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
All Right, this one's a bit of a sad one,
ag but here we go.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Who am I?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I made my first class debut while still at school,
with a small curiosity being that it wasn't even one
of the right schools inverted commas that dominated the christ
Church cricket scene. I was a man of notable firsts,
including scoring my one and only first class century in
less than an hour against Otago. Think about that, a
century in fifty three minutes. And that same game I
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also dismissed the yappy little wicket keeper for a golden
deck and later in the match for two. I'm not
surprised Ted Henry rose to prominence in the Winter Game instead.
Another first was being banned for a Test for a
relatively arcane transgression. But my most notable moment in another
first came in I dismissed Phil Sharp LBW for forty
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eight at the Oval. Though if I gave you any
more details, i'd be giving the game away. I was
known as the workingman's hero for the way I played
the game, and that was more to do with my
mighty six hitting than anything else. But fast, occasionally hostile
bowling was my raison datre. Unfortunately, life was not kind
to me once I left the sport. Couple of failed
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marriages it was one thing, failed attempts as a public
in another, but worst of all was a family tragedy
that haunted me until my final morbidly obese breath. Who
am I? Hmm, well, you just gave the universe. It
was signal of an eyebrow raise, which in the case
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that I think you know it.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Yeah, it's quite a great another quite slightly grim story. DC,
it's a good good clothes, very good clothes, I thought.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Very good. With that in mind, let's have Paul Ford's
news or Ruse.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Jace. You're going to be bloody excited about the fact.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
There's a new five team T twenty tournament called the
Global Super League launching in Guyana in late November, featuring
teams from five different countries, sanctioned by the by Cricket
West Indies and fully supported by the state government. Was
the National Government Guyana anyway, and prize money US a
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million dollars. It's going to feature the Amazon Warriors and
a team from Cricket Victoria, the lahau Wilanders, Hampshire Cricket
Club and Rangper Riders from Bangladesh and none other than
Cory Anderson will be captaining the Cricket Victoria team number two.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
The White Fans opening.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Game of the summer against Australia at the Basin Reserve
will be gold coin entry as New Zealand Cricket looks
to keep up the momentum behind the newly crowned icc
T twenty World champions Legends. The first ODII of the
Rose Bowl Series is on Thursday December the nineteenth, of course,
another piece of grim news and New Zealand haven't won
that for twenty five years. New Zealand Cricket said the
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White Fans are a team. The New Zealand public are
really embracing at present and we're determined to make the
most of it. They've seen large crowns, crowds of excited
fans turning up and down the country during the trophy
tour and they need the supporters they get into this
Crunch series against the dirty, filthy, cheating Australians.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
And number three West Indies fastball Alzari Joseph has been
suspended for two matches by Cricket West Indy's over a
very public disagreement with captain Shy Hope of a field
placements during an ODII against England this week, which the
West Indies won. Ironically, Joseph and Hope engaged in a
lengthy argument for Joseph's over and he had to be
urged by the umpires to resume play after a ball
was played away on the off side During the over.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Joseph remonstrated with Hope. When the over ended, he just
simply walked off the field.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Unbelievable. Cricket West Indies said.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
In a statement that his conduct fell short of their
standards of professionalism. Joseph, to be fair, also apologized and said,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
My passion got the best of me.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
I think it's you'll tend to go first.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Actually, d C had a lot of luck of this lately.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
No, you mean I've been giving luck.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
It's not about luck.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
So that Western he's one is dead right. I watched that.
That was hilarious, that that was insane. I don't know
anything about that Global Super League. It just sounds bizarre.
Why did they pick those five teams to go and
play in Guyana. But I'm going to go with the
White Fans because I believe that it's not even a
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gold coin entry. I just believe it's just free. That's
what I was marketed as. Anyway, in the email, I
go from New Zealand Cricket free entry.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I'm going to go for the first option because it
sounds like a hideous disgrace of a tournament, and I'm
going to say the prize money is incorrect.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
Like the rage and the fury in your belly chase.
But Dylan Clever's going to take this one home. That
is exactly right.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
As free entry to the White Fans game at you,
I'd be.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Back, knew whatever, whatever, All right now, I believe now,
Dylan Cleaver, you're going to give us a book review
of the twenty twenty four New Zealand Cricket Almanac.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, that wone work on a podcast so well. But
I'm holding it up now so my fellow pundits and
panelists can see the cover. It is. I've remiss of
this not to do it earlier actually, because it's always
a it's always a great day for me when the
book drops through into my letterbox from the publishers.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
Do you get it for free or do you pay
fifty five dollars like the riff Raft.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I must I get it for free?
Speaker 3 (44:24):
No, wonder you look to it, bugger.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yeah, and it's it's always immaculately presented. This time Retch
and Revenger is on the cover after he's scored his
double ton against South Africa. I think that's fair enough.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Can I just ask you a question. I'm just I'm
just watching you holding that book, Dylan, and I can
see it's like I used to be when I was
a little kid with brand new stationery. I can see
the glee and the joy. Do you get quite excited
when do you handle new books? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
I smell them, Yes, good. I don't know what I
expect them to smell like, but I'm always.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Pleased newly printed.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Newly printed smell. And just a couple of points of
interest in it. As the players of the year were
ritching Revendra and Kane Williamson, which I don't think you
can argue about. They both had incredible seasons, but the
promising players Zach Folks, Will O'Rourke and Gareth Severin, and
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I think they've already probably been proved pretty accurate. Accurate
on folks in willow'rourke, it might take Gareth Severin a
little bit longer to make that step up. But there
was one other thing that like Francis Payne and Ian
Smith who compile this just legends in their field. And
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I didn't realize this, This is this little factoid, yes,
escaped me. But with those wins in India, with Tim
Sowdy playing two tests that one, he is now the
most successful test cricketer in New Zealand history. Wow, did
you realize that? No, he now has.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
I didn't know either that. That's a bloody good record
to have, isn't it. I've won Imagine going to the
pub and going I've won more Test matches for New
Zealand than anyone else in the history of the game.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Yes, that's good, that's a good record.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
It's amazing. So he went past Ross Taylor. He is
now forty six. Ross Taylor as forty four. Cain Williamson,
who lester remind you did not play in any of
the three tests and is stuck on forty three, but
I suspect that he will eventually pass both Sauvi and Taylor.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
How long does Cain go for?
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Two more years? Reckon?
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Two more?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Maybe three? I think he might do the next Wiltis
Championship cycle and that might be it for him. I
don't know, I've got no that's just speculations.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
He's really struggled with injury. He seems to be under
the gun a lot these days.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
I reckon, I reckon it could be the end of
this England series?
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Do you reckon? I reckon it could be for Suvi.
I honestly think this summer might be Soudy's last, But
well it might. The choice might not be his, to
be fair.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, all right, that's a grim thought, Yeah, isn't it?
Pull forwards? Cricket violence corners, cricket violence corner gun.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
A man's been assaulted in an apparent road rage incident
in high Wickham Valley. Police have launch an appeal for
witnesses following the assault. When two men got out of
a dark colored carn Air traffic lights on doors Hill Lane.
They proceeded to use homophobic language towards the victim, A
man in his forties before assaulting him with a cricket bat.
The victims suffered injuries which required hospital treatment, but he's
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since been discharged. Officers are appealing for witnesses and footage
to the incident. The maker's name of the bat was
unable to be seen in security footage. I know because
I locked. The driver of the car is described vaguely
as thus mixed heritage, in his early thirties and around
six feet tall. That would cover about seventy percent of
the people in that area.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
I'd suggest, how.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Am they know his mixed heritage for what has mixed me?
He could be just heritage. What they're saying is he's
not classically Anglo Saxon, aren't they.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
That's what they're saying. Hey, you know to your correspondence,
this is from Jack, and he writes, hey, guys, love
your work may need some deeper analysis here, but I'd
like to draw attention to a wider member of the
black Caps team that seems to have an interesting knack
for winning. Mike Sandor, the current team manager. He joined
the black Caps at the start of the twenty eleven
twenty twelve summer and finished up early twenty twenty two
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quite clearly the meat and bones of our golden era.
In twenty twenty two, right when the black Caps performances
started to dip, he took up a CEO position at
Taranaki Rugby, this being the region he grew up in.
During the two years he was in this position, the
Taranaki Bulls won the provisional title in twenty twenty three
and had a very good win record in twenty twenty four,
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might I add, finishing with the great Ranfordy Shield. He
then joins the black Caps again in twenty twenty five
for right before the greatest Test series in New Zealand
cricket history. Coincidence or is there something a bit more
at foot here? Whatever it is, I hope his presence
brings plenty more victories in the future.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Dylan Cleaver, Yeah, there's a bit of a spell check
or what is it, what's it called autocorrect issue? There?
It was the provincial title rather than the provisional title.
But ah right, Yeah. As a keen man of the
Taraniki as well, I have followed Mike Sanders progress very
closely and there is something quite freaky actually about that.
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I wonder what they had to do to convince him
to come back.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
I yeah, he does seem like a bit of a
lucky charm, but I think that massively sort of undervalues
his contribution. I think the role that he's come back to,
as I understand it without getting into sort of page
seven of the job description, but I think it's much
more focused on that broader performance of the of the team,
and so looking after the crew that managed the performance
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of the team, rather than just the sort of logistics
and where the suitcases are going and the admin and
how many people want bacon with their eggs and all
of that kind of stuff and all the cricket diplomacy.
I think it's a yet very much kind of in
the thick of the action with the team, which is
fantastic in terms of that question though DC.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
I mean, I've got absolutely no idea.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
But it does seem a curious move to sort of
come out and say, yep, really great, can't wait to
go home? Be great to get rid of all of
the travel and all of that kind of stuff. He
did go in there. It coincided with that Silver Lake
money being handed down, and I do wonder whether some
of the shenanigans that have created a lot of headlines
and a lot of anks and rugby circles. He maybe
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just was there for the taking for New Zealand cricket
and bloody good on them forgetting them, I'd.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Say, great Steven, terms of your correspondence, pulled forward, What
do they need to do?
Speaker 4 (50:43):
Flick as an email to b YC at Beije Brigade
dot code on end ed will slide into the DMS
of the alternative commentary collective All the Beige Brigade on
Instagram or Facebook. Keep it to a sort of one
hundred words or thereabouts, just to so we can screenshot
it into our WhatsApp chat and bring it up to
up to the mixer each week.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Great stuff. Hey well thanks for taking the time to
listen to this podcast telling your mates about it. Why
don't you and we will be back of course, same time,
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Live from the ex Board Bear Garden Studios. You're listening
to the BYC where we're still basking on the glow
of our series victory against India. With that in mind,
I must admit to finding it difficult getting aroused in
any way about the T twenty series against Sri Lanka. However,
there were some notable performances and it's also an opportunity
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to blood new players as we look to identify the
next tier of Black Caps, and I feel more and
more Dylan Cleaver that T twenty is just a breathing
ground now. It's something where maybe selectors and so forth
of various countries just said as an opportunity to give
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other players an opportunity, which suggests to me that they
don't really care immensely about it. It's just a training exercise.
Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Half and half? I think you're wrong. When it comes
to World Championships, I think they're sure. I think they
care very deeply about doing well at those. But in
terms of a non contextual bilateral T twenty series, I
think you're dead right that it is. Let's have a
look at this fuller. Let's have a look and see
how they go under the pressure of international cricket. But yeah,
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I mean, one all, I think that's probably about as
good as you can hope for in that New Zealand
team that's shorn of most of it stars. Yes, and yeah,
and there were some intriguing little performances there from a
few guys.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah. And look, I'll be really honest with you, Paul Ford.
You know, we've talked a lot on this podcast about,
you know, looking at the next tier of players, and
I'm all for giving players an opportunity, but holy how
I mean to go from that series against India down
to a T twenty to you know, two program sort
of situation in T twenties against Sri Lanka. She's a
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bit of a drop down, mate. It's hard to get
the old enthusiasm going.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
It's ratchet scheduling, it really is.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah. I was struggled with that too. I've got to
say though, I was. I've been thinking about this and
I got a real kick out of us winning that
second game.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I really did. And for me, it.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Was just a little bit of icing on the cake
after the massively, massively unexpected result in India.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And you know, I.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Guess that's just renewed my faith. You know, schlank are
that good. I think they're ranked number eight and teach
twenty cricket. But the fact of the matter is that
with that team, Mitchell Center in charge and all of
that Jazz pretty much the only senior player along with
maybe Glenn Phillips and arguably Will Young Lucky. Maybe I
just thought we were going to get thumped and then
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we didn't. And so I guess the combination of those
two things is renewed my faith after I felt like
I lost it in that Sri Lankan test series. So
I hate to break it to you, fellas, but I'm
back in the frothy optimist Optimistic supporters club again Inurious.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, and look, you know, I don't want to denigrate
it anyway, and I have always put my cards on
the table with regards to T twenty. I'm not a
massive fan of it, but I it is great. Let's
be honest to see some new talent coming through, you know,
to see how they go to have a completely different
setup in regard to the team Santana a skipper, et cetera,
et cetera. So let's look at the first game. And
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I thought, oh Lordie, okay, but having you know, there
was some pretty dominous signs there Dylan Cleaver, but also
some some nice standout performances in terms of the new Zealanders. Yep.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I think the first thing we should say is that
at Dan Buller, it was Dan Buller, wasn't it not
Pala Kelly. Yep, Dan Buller wasn't conducive to massively entertaining No.
Twenty cricket. But I yeah, look, I have seen Bagger
all of Zach Falkes to the point where I don't
even really know how to say his name properly. But
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twenty seven I think it is folks.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I think it's just folks that folks.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Okay, it's going to go where folks from now, But
twenty seven out of sixteen and then three for twenty
with the ball, and you know, he looks he looks handy,
like he looks the kind of and like this is
woefully premature, but he looks like the kind of player
that could really add something across all three formats.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yes, And I think that's the good thing, you know,
is that if you're sort of showing this new talent,
the encouraging thing is that they can potentially play across
all forms, not just b T twenty specialists. What were
your thoughts there, Paul Ford in that first game.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah, look, I think Folks was absolutely caught the eye.
He's only twenty two, I think only twenty two in June,
so he's a he is a young buck bowls one
hundred and thirty five kilometers an hour.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Not bad teams in jess it around.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
He's got some couple of variations back of the hand,
slow and split finger and gives it a whack.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
With the bat.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I mean, this is a kid who's come out of
St Andrew's College, won the Gillette Cup with that first
eleven and twenty nineteen, from a cricket family, but he
is the best cricketer in his family. So yeah, his
old man played for Canterbury Country and he played in
that team with his younger brother Robbie and his older
brother Liam, so.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Real Canterbury Stock. He looks hip. I really really like
the look of him.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I think, yeah, it looks like he's going to be
right in contention for that sort of the next cab
off the rank alongside you know, someone like Nathan Smith.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I think you got a Yeah, Nathan Smith, he's a
real prospect m And you've got to look at it
two in context of I guess you'd have to say
regarding Test cricket, Glenn Phillips is kind of out all
rounder now and we don't have that sort of Chris
Ken's type character who can bowl a pretty nippy delivery
and give it a bit of a thump and you
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know you're Jimmy Nishams and so forth. Their sort of
down the line now, So it's encouraging. How old did
you say? It was? Twenty two? You know to see
because he caught my eye too and I thought, hello, hello,
he's a prospect here and certainly for higher honors in
terms of Test cricket.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, and I think the one thing that's really lacking
from our Test side at the moment is that balance
that a seam bowling all around of brings. I think
before we started a naunting him there. He's got to
get a few more runs, of course, like big runs
in first clast cricket. But yeah, certainly, yeah, he Yeah,
he was intriguing. That's the word I kept coming back to.
I kept on watching him and thinking, yeah, this kid,
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sure he might have come through the the Canterbury. I
guess it's now the tried and true way into the
New Zealand team, isn't it to go to a private
school in christ Church? Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Come on, now, come on now the Yeah. Can I
ask you guys a question just in terms of, you know,
looking at the other formats, your one day cricket, Test cricket.
You know, with Michael Bracewall coming back into into the
sort of fray as it were, it's kind of a
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head to head between him and Phillips. Now do you.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Think, Yeah, I think he might actually be on the
outer and Test cricket now sure, because Phillips has taken
that mantle. Yes. The one thing I would say about
Phillips though, is again like if he's going to be
an all arounder and Test cricket, he's got to start scoring
centuries like big runs. And he's made a couple of
really telling cameos at this point. But yeah, you would
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like to see him. I mean you what Daniel for
Torre sixty centuries?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Did he?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I think he ended up sixtieth century?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah? Pretty handy average too, thirty odd.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You look at guys like Chris Ken's five Test centuries
averaging in the thirties, so I think Phillips needs to
have some substance to the cameos. But I do think
he's gone ahead of Bracewell for their off spinners around
us things is the other interesting thing. Who has actually
got a test century But you can't I don't think
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in New Zealand conditions, in particularly, you can play more
than one of those spins around.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Us one of three there. Pull forward?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, that's right?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Good?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Good?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Isn't it lovely conversation to be having? Not Oh my
god is injured? What the hell are we going to do?
It's much more about how how do we squeeze all
these guys in? And you know, the Williamson will Young
conundrum is the other one, which we've talked about previously.
But these are good problems, right, these are bloody good
problems there.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, well, I feel like you pull forward quite optimistic,
you know, because we were here talking about oh god,
I mean, where's the talent coming through, et cetera, et cetera.
And it's beginning to sort of emerge, which is exciting.
So we go to game two and then it's like,
oh god, okay, so it's going to be a two
nil here but not to be Dylan Kleber.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, I didn't see a lot of the New Zealand earnings.
I have to confess. I just saw the highlights, and
they were in a huge amount of them. I think
Will Young might have top scored with a grinding thirty
or thirty two. But I did watch the entirety of
the chase and New Zealand were on top of things.
They looked good again in conditions that were pretty helpful.
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But someone who didn't have a great tournament with the
sorry series with the bat, Mitch Hay certainly made up
for it behind the stumps in that second game with
six dismissals. So he's played two Internationals and he's now
a world record holder, and a couple of those catches
were pretty bloody good, including one where he dropped an
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edge up a spinner onto the stumps and regathered it
before it hit the ground.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yes, drama, that was.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
A weird one.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I actually got on such a nerd and I shouldn't
confess this and you won't be that surprised, but when
that happened, I was trying to work out whether a
wicket keeper is allowed to sort of use the stumps
as leverage from making a catch. Now, not saying that
he did that, but obviously knocked the bails off and
got a bit hectic.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
My understanding of the rules is that, yeah, you can.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
You can kind of use the use the glove to
sort of wedge the and wedge the ball up against it.
As long as it doesn't touch the ground, you're good
to go. So yeah, bloody difficult thing to pull off.
I think he had a couple of catches like that
where he kind of juggled it and caught it at
the second go and went into the huddle cackling away
to himself.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yes, well, and you see a lot of poultry. One
hundred and eight and then a bit of a contribution
there from our good man Lucky Ferguson and Sri Lanka
shot the bed.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That hat trick. That hat trick was curious. The first
one it looked like a squeeze initially like there wasn't
a massive amount of excitement. Luckie Ferguson you he had
had nicked it. But at first sight it looked like
it was a full toss that the better squeezed into
the ground, but it wasn't. It was actually a half folly, so.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
That was out.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Then the next one was a pretty adjacent LBW coming
around and look at to a left hander and I
think it was the guy who scored all the runs
in the Test series. The mindoumendous. And then the third
one was just a rank awful delivery to our league side,
which the guy got a feather on and Mitchell took
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a good catch something down the league side. But yeah,
I love what Paul was written down here in the notes,
which is just classic Lucky right. It reeks absolutely havoc
and then follows it up with a torn hemy Yeah,
or it might be calf this time, is it.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I'll tell you what. We our fast bowlers. It's just infuriating.
Who's the other quirkie that was always apart from Jamison
of course mil.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Who they brought over, yes, to replace, And that's tempting
fate of fever I've seen.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, So we're going and heading into the one day
is now and oh.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Can I just say one more point on that second game? Yes,
the set up from the Sri Lankan rabbit.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Of the baseball, the Shara sensational.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Have you ever seen anything like that before?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
No, it was highly ineffective. It was terrible, but jezus
looked magnificent, real MLB stuff, wasn't it. Yeah, there was
a great piece of fielding too from Michael Bracelell in
that game, diving over the rope.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
He's a fantastic.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Field of bracelet caught the ball, scooped it back kind
of under his body as he clattered onto the ground.
Well beyond the the toblerone. And you know, when you
look at the maths in the final equation, super super important.
And yeah, Glenn Phillips, great job as the closer in
that game. Three wickets and his over and yeah, the
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lucky Ferguson thing. I mean, I actually when I was
watching that, I jotted down some notes about his first over,
which which was the start of the hat trick, the
last ball of that over, which was the eighth ball
of that over.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It was just a mannic over.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
There were beamers, there was there were appeals, there were
side ages, there were it was just ridiculous. Betsman got
caught off a no ball. It was just absolutely wild.
And then he comes back, completes the hectoric and hobbles
off Paul Bastard.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, well you know and as you said earlier, Paul Forward,
you know, I'm pretty happy with one all given where
we were. I'll take it in our record, yes, and
our record in Sri Lanka and the fact that there
were a lot of most of the team missing. So yeah,
I'll give that a tech. I'll give that a six
point five out of ten. Now the one day is
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coming up thirteenth of November, seventeenth of November and nineteenth November.
I'm a little more interested in those as rung out
with a hammy and lockeye out with a calf. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, this looms is relatively important given that there's not
a lot of one day cricket. I been here in
the Champions Trophy, the Champions Trophy which is now looking
a little imperiled. You do some geopolitical differences between the
hosts and the most important cricket country in the world,
But regardless, is.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
It just is it geopolitical? Is it just shit housery
from India?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
India just refusing to go to Pakistan to play.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yeah, and Sri Lanka, of course, just for the record,
they don't give a shit about that because they didn't
qualify for the Champions Trophy, because they came ninth in
the World Cup, so they definitely don't care about the
Champions Trophy.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
But we do, we do. And yeah, look it starts
tonight in dan Buller before they go to Palakelly.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I am quite interested in this. I'm interested in seeing
how some of these guys go in a format where
they've got a little bit more time to express themselves.
I think it's probably Mitchey obviously needs some runs. Yes,
Will Young. It's funny, we were almost talking about him
like the senior better and the squad at the moment,
but you know, he's probably a fringe player at best.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
So this is are you talking in terms of following
on from here for the Cheaampions Trophy? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, yeah, So there's a lot of things that Will
they need to sort out for the Champions Trophy, and
this is this is the start.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I sort of yeah, I sort of feel for Forward
on the Well Young front. You know that he's kind
of earned his place now and he deserves a bit
of respect and a bit of support in terms of
being kind of seen as a regular member of the
side or am I being biased?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I think you can be those two things. No, I
think right, I think, Yeah, I feel like he's I agree.
I think he's in that spot and he should be
in the you know, ahead of the likes of Henry Nichols,
barring what happens over the next few days. So Gladdy good.
Good for him to be in there and under some pressure.
Another guy to keep an eye on. Tim Robinson, who's
sort of making noises about. You know, he's a contracted player,
didn't do much in the t twenties. Is he then
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next Fanellen or is he not? We've mentioned Nathan Smith. Interesting,
interesting to be watching him and he's tonight.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, out of a targer, out of a targer. Yeah,
because I was reading an article about him as a
as a real prospect for the future. Got the most
wickets in the first class last year, was that right? Yep, yep,
I'm pretty nippy.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
When I played the season of county cricket. I think
he might even be Omoru. Originally he might even be
north Ochago. But yeah, I mean he's twenty six years old.
Good age, good age, good age. Yet my only worry
about Nathan Smith is just maybe a few kilometers short
of what you need your start a bowling. He bowls,
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he's kind of a hit the deck hard guy. But
I mean he's not tall like Jamison or Rourke. And yeah,
I don't know you've seen more of them, Paul. But
does he have that kind of one forty two to
one forty five in him?
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I think he does, But does he have it consistently
or so I think as your point, yeah, I'm not sure.
And yeah, it's interesting there's a real trial in this
series for that fourth Seema because you've got Duffy, who
is maybe the incumbent with Sears out. Cougar Line's not
in here, so you know, there's a bit of a
duel here between a three way duel between Smith, Duffy
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and you know, arguably someone like Folks could come steaming
through the middle if they decide to get a bit
funky for this England Test series.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But yeah, look, it's not it's not certain.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
The other thing that Jason, I think you'll agree is
that it would be really good if Mark Chapman didn't
drop any.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Catches what is going on there?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
He Look, I think he's just got the YEPS man.
It's just that classic because as we say, all that
time ago where all the started for him, he's actually
not a bad fieldsman. He moves nicely, yes, but I
think it's just you know, it's like my passing at
the moment. It's just all over the place. And I
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think he gets an anxiety attack when he sees the
ball in the air coming towards him, you know what
I mean, he has a full blown panic attack.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I think that is I think there is some something
merit in that. Actually, I do think that when you've
spilled a few, and my word is spilled a few,
you do get to a point where you're out in
the field and you're.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Actually hoping it doesn't come near, and the ball.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Doesn't come near. You'd be quite heavy to station yourself
at third man and field a few grounders that go
down to third man. But you don't you do know
what anything in the year coming your way, And I
reckon Chapman's at that point that testy that catchy dropped
in Mumbai. Ah Man, that is just.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Awful, I know. But also but also you know that
that probably is a stot. Put me down at third man,
and then there's a massive top edge as soon as
you move there, and you know, and it's isn't it funny?
How when shit isn't going well for you in any
form of the game, you know, but particularly fielding. The
ball suddenly starts following you around everywhere.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
It's so hard to hide. It's so hard to hide.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yes, sure.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
The other thing about this series coming up is that
it's obviously going to be a real spin friendly track.
And we're talking about, you know, trialing, running this trial
for the fourth sema, and I don't think we're going
to get a lot of pictures that are going to
be particularly conducive to pay some who we've got. We've
got sat in Embrace, Will Phillips and Sodi and Jase.
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I think you've got the list of Shri Lankan spinners there.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Look at them the center of the match person himself
for those of you that can't see him. So do Paul,
how would they look at? Do you know? Well a
Lagi uh Commendo, Mendes, tariff Aslanka and do Himantha well done?
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So yeah, I don't know much about them, but let's
assume they'll be pretty handy with the ball in hand.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Well, the good news, Jason is that huss is not
there because his little chubby hamstring didn't hold up during
the t twenty, so he won't be there. And I'm
pretty sure the last block you mentioned is the guy
that came in from duchan Amantha, another legie. So going
to be plenty of intrigue at the Sri Lankan Bowl increase.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Hey, now, let's talk about this this upcoming Test series.
And I've just read this here on the notes, all
but a sellout across the three tests. How good? With
the question asked, why is that? I just think Dylan
clear with it that England is always England is always
a very popular prospect for fans of cricket when they
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come to New Zealand. It doesn't surprise me at all
that that's the case, particularly given of course we're on
this high after India. People are just into it.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
They bring a big traveling support with them. Yes, I
mean the Barmai Army love coming to New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Two percent of the tickets have been sold off shore.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah good.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
And it also is the McCallum Stokes thing, Yes, that
New Zealand connection. I think you know, there's seems to
be these things go in cycles, right, and there's a
real pushback on the whole baseball term now and and
but you still can't deny that they play a brand
of cricket that's pretty intoxicating and you want to be
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there to watch it. And it also is not that
long ago and it's still quite fresh in our memories
that Test from the Basin, the follow on Test, that
New Zealand one, and it's just like, yeah, I want
to be part of this. I mean, the only thing
I have a little bit of concern about is Test
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in christ Stretch in November still can be a bit
nippy down there that time of year. But apart from that,
it's just yeah, get me there. Just want to be
part of it.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, I'm absolutely proffing about it. Pul Ford, it's so good.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah I am as well, of course, but you know,
as say, I'm back in full optimist mode.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Of course I am.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
But I think the other thing is that the Black
Cats have earned the right of, you know, just be
selling out these three grounds. You know that what they
did in India is extraordinary. I do think people will
want to come out and salute that. There hasn't really
been an opportunity to do that as they've gone straight
on to Sri Lanka. And the other thing is for
cricket nerds like us, But there's a massive hole in
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the calendar after this. I mean basically, you know, no
cricket sort of no long form cricket tool is it
next year? I think it's bloody ages. Wait and I
think only next summer. It's only the West Indies as well,
so you know there's a real gap. And of course,
and for real nerds, they will be thinking about the
maths of the World Test Championship and wanting to help
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New Zealand get up and potentially potentially qualify for that
final next year at Lord's in June.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, I think it's just going to be an absolute cracker.
I'll be glued to the TV, much to my wife's
chagrin and.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Real shame of it. As Paul mentioned there is Yeah,
it's just so barren after this series. Yes, yeah, just
make the most of this Test series, hold on to it,
cuddle it, because after that, unless we make that final
at Lord's in June, I think it is it's a
long time before we're getting more five day cricket. Yeah, which,
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actually I mean it's just a noise the shit out.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yes, samee Man and t You're gonna have your tea too,
and he's even your one days. Give me test cricket
any day of the week, any day of the week.
But I'll tell you what we're gonna do. I're gonna
have a little break here and come back very shortly.
Welcome back to this b YC podcast. So Pakistan beat
Australia in Australia. I loved it. I loved it. Australia
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of course, winning the first one day, just just but
the Australians really under the pump and not handling pace
at all. Ralph was just next level.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
How good what a great cricketer is to watch because
you watch them run up sometimes doesn't look like he
knows what has run up is. He's got these funny
little paces. He seems to take off from different spots.
A couple of the deliveries he bowled, his front foot
was only just ahead of the line where the stumps
are at like no danger of him doing Muhammad Ama
type nobles in that game, but just real pace, like fire.
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And there's nothing better than watching quick bowlers on top
of the game in places like Perth. Yeah, I watched
the entirety of that game, the decider in Perth in
Pakistan just so much better than Australia. It was. It
was actually quite weird watching it. It was and you
they're under fire Australia, They're getting.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
It, and so they should be because asking themselves and
you know, was it Australia alb first and foremost pull
forward and just specifically on that final game, which was
the deciding game, a very very under power Australian side.
And was that a specific decision of Australian cricket to
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rest their key players for that match, because my assumption
is that that was always what they were planning to do,
but they would have thought that they would have been
too nill ahead by then.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I reckon that. I agree one hundred percent, Jase. I
reckon that was absolutely the script. And then things went
off piece in that second game, very nearly went off
piece in the first and still have mentioned, but yes,
Australia are always going to going to rest their red ball
players from these games. Basically it was sort of an
optional to play, so I think Cummens played the Pat
Cummins played the first game. But yeah, look it was
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it felt like a mismatch. That's exactly right, and I
love some of the headlines. You know, Pakistan punished disengaged
Australia for their first series winning for twenty and twenty
two years.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I love that. Some sensational pace bowling. I mean you
mentioned Harris Ralph.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I mean the last time we saw him, I think
he was getting in a punch up at the TEA
twenty World Cup and then he's just ferocious. Shane Shah
Fredi and Nasim Shah was sensational and I absolutely love
I don't know if you saw this, but Cooper Connley,
the great White Hope, this twenty one year old slogger,
the surfy looking kid and the Pakistan fast body you've
never heard of. Muhammad has Nae broke his hand so
(26:13):
see you later. That probably him out for a few weeks.
Absolutely fantastic from from Pakistan. Yeah, got a real sense
of joy out of that. I did love seeing Pat
Cummins get into trouble as his wife I assume kind
of not against as will, but probably.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Surprised him by banging that photo up on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Literally as the Australians were losing, which really does wind
everyone up.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
But you know, you're just it was the decider.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
You're absolutely right, I think they've stuffed up here and
it's it just plays into that narrative that Pat Cummins
and the Australians are out of touch with Heartland Australia.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
It's great to see, yeah, I And you used a
word there in one of the headlines which I watch
was the sort of impression that I got, which was
disengaged and arrogant. And you know, but what the interesting thing,
as it always is with Pakistan, is my god, they've
got talent. Their pace attack, their pace attack is next level.
(27:13):
And I was like, why are these guys so damn erratic?
I mean, it must be infuriating for the coaches when
you've got that kind of talent that they're so up
and down. But it kind of turned around with that
Test series against England, didn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
But the problem was is the problem is the test
services they put them on in Pakistan. Yes, they get
really worried about the opposition strengths. So the first Test,
I can't remember if it was Raoul Pindi against England,
it was an absolutely flat track and Shahin Sharaffredi got
blitzed by basball, which you're not allowed to call it now.
(27:50):
And so they lose. In Pakistan, there is no patience.
They just lose patients straight away. So they've been him,
they've been a Nasim Shah clearly is a really good player,
gutsy player, but not those two were gone and instead
they give them absolute bunts and burner tracks. They come
back into that series through their spinners and win it.
But then you go to a place like Australia which
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just suits them down to the ground and you realize
how good they can be.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yes, absolutely, that's that.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Is their problem, I think is the patience of their
selectors at home and actually giving these guys some decent
services onto which to display their full pallid of skills.
Because man, that that four prong pace attack the other day. Yeah,
I barely even heard of that guy has name, but yes,
I mean either he broke Connelly's hand, he was whizzing
it over heads. He was he looked highly entertaining.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
And they had they bowl, they had they bowled this
many have spin zero. Yeah, it's just the bull blitz
And am I.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Right in saying that. Jason Gillespie or is it Jason
Gillespie he's the coach or he's the bowling coach.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
He's the coach at the moment, and Gary Kirston was
the director of cricket. But Gary Kirston walked out when
they suddenly stripped him and Gillespie of any selectorial powers.
I think that's how it went. Yes, so yeah, and
it's just off the field, it's just chaos and that
will never change.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
I remember Gillespie this week too, sorry about He actually
came out in the aftermath of the series win and said,
you know, the Australians were disengaged and what he means
by he means the Australian public, he means the Australian players,
and he stood the Cricket Australia's marketing. It was no
promotion of this series that he saw. Every poster, every billboard,
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every social media post that he saw was for border
Gavascar for the Australia Indian Cricket Series, which really pissed
the Pakistani's off.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
And obviously how they played better.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
And it isn't fascinating because we were talking about, you
know that maybe INDIAD you know, didn't have their eye
on the ball when it came to playing us, so
that they too were possibly guilty of looking ahead to
that tour of Australia. Australia are guilty of the same thing,
and as a result of that, both sides in this
huge upcoming series now look like idiots because they've been
(30:11):
given a hiding by the teams that they've played previous
to the series.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Isn't that great?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah? I love it. I love it. Don't get me wrong, man.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
We're reveler Lions fighting back against the Dark Empire.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah good.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
We need to factor this into our scheduling. We need
to look at when all of the headline big dog
series are and just sneak in there and play them
just before they guess, before they get there, because I
feel like we did this to England ahead of the
Ashes as well. We just sort of snuck in there
with a slightly ramshekel team and gave them a touch
up just before the Ashes in England last time around.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Two, you know. Having said that, actually I'm looking forward
to that series in the Australia. Oh just as a
side note here, feel as I discovered on Sky which
I've been enjoying quite a lot actually the sort of
domestic Australian cricket, you know, and I've been watching the Indie, RA,
Australia or A tests. Yeah, that's you know, for cricket fans,
(31:07):
it's quite nice to sort of stumble upon that quality
of cricket pretty good.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Well again, that's been quite controversial in Australia because of
those India AA, Australia A essentially became a bat off
for the one remaining opening spot, yes in the Australian
team to partner Usman Kwaja and they ended up giving
it to the guy who doesn't open South of South
Australian middle order player Nathan McSweeney.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
And he was a skipper, wasn't he. Oh yeah, was
he the skipper?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
He did skipper And yeah, you got people. I think
it's a former Australian payer whose name just as Casey
at the moment just come out and said they're just guessing.
It's just complete guesswork. They've got no idea what they're doing. Oh.
I was Joe Burns, the former Queensland opener who I
think he scored big runs against New Zealand and McCallum's
last series as skipper.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah, and I'll tell you one of the things, genuinely
as a cricket lover that I am looking forward to
us seeing how jazz well goes over there for Australia,
because he's great to watch and he he, he just
gives it a bash, all right. Our own domestic game,
the Plunket Shield CD versus Otago and Napier Otago two
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O three Max two eighty five Randall four for twenty
one and three for two CD three fifty nine for
nine d Kleaver one fifty one night out Muller three
for fifty two.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Well, actually they said vace a little bit since then
Otago at the time of reading, and now one O
six for eight in their second inning is crashing towards
a heavy defeat against the mighty CD. But the curious
thing about that being three for two overnight last night
was the fact they sent two night watchmen out to
the crease. Because the first night watchman, who I think
(32:53):
was Travis Muller, did they have the curious incident of
being caught on the boundary, which is.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Not really as a night watchman, that's not your job
to have a tonk are your boys pull forward? I
don't know if you got down to watch any of this.
Wellington versus Auckland, Auckland won eighty four, Bevan Jacobs seventy five,
Logan Van beat five for fifty three and one seventy
one for six. Will o'donald fifty two not out Wellington
(33:22):
two to seventy, Van beat one oh one. Peter old Wife,
I feel like that's some sort of set up there,
and Jordan seventy five and Jordan Sussex four for fifty.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Paul did see it out in the window.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Regendravendra, Devin Conway and Tom Blundell all playing in that game,
along with Finn Allen. And yeah, that's advanced a little
bit as well. Auckland actually managed to rustle up three
hundred and seventeen. So I've done the quick math. It
looks like Wellington need about two hundred and thirty to
win that one. They're currently started like an absolute sack
of shit. They're one for one and both Batsman at
(34:00):
the crease zero not out with Retch and Revenger and
next Devin Conways and so yeah, look out, it could
be quite quite a thriller. I might have to check
my annual leave balance for this afternoon.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
So that's there was a nice little double of seventy
seventy five and seventy nine from I think it's Bevan
John Jacobs, who's an interesting cricketer himself.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
So that's right, and it's been pretty that game though.
We should give Logan van Bekers shout out betting. I
think at number eight scored one hundred and a five
wicket bag. Pretty sensational from him to resurrect that first
innings of Wellington.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Hey, just there's a very quick sideline here, fin allen.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Ah, Now, let me tell you about his little innings
opening the batting and the I think he failed in
the first deck, open the batting and the second deck.
He might even be skipper. Yeah, Paul might have to
go to the interweb while I'm relating this little tale.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
But solely I think is the skipper.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Solely is the skipper, right, So he was opening with
Solier and he scored forty nine in the second ins.
I'm pretty sure that forty nine was made up of
ten fours and one six. Wow, that's correct, And he
went out having a wild swipe across the line.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
That was good. Good Canterbury versus Indiant Hagley Canterbury three
sixty one for nine Chad Bows one oh seven, Matt
Boyle fifty nine, Christian Clark four for eighty three in
D two ninety one for eight, San Deep, Patawel fifty
six and bred Hampton fifty. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Well, Indy actually managed to get their way up to
five point fifty two for nine declared, so they did
really well. I'm guessing that must mean that Wags scored
some runs. But what a start to the season for
Chad Bows. He scored that record setting double ton in
the four Trophy, scored a ton in the first round
of the Plunket Shield, so yeah, all power to him.
(35:55):
He kind of feels like a name that's was very
briefly in New Zealand Lights but as all disappeared out
of it. But perhaps there will be the second coming
of Chad Bows made.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Them thirty three and twenty six in that match.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Right, great stuff. Now I will take another short break here.
When we come back, it'll be Dylan Cleavers. Who am I?
Welcome back to the BYC And now it's time for
Dylan Cleavers. Who am I? It's Dylan Cleavers, who am I?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, last week we had several correct answers. I thought
I made the clues particularly cryptic, but people recognize that
it was in fact, Craig Spearman. A couple of good
little bits of correspondence actually from Matt Parker wrote, Hey guys,
I believe the answer is Craig Spearman. I moved to
London to work in banking around the same time as his.
As him, I grew up as a wisty, although not
(36:48):
quite as big as whisty as where he went to school.
I think he were to Kelston Boys. I always thought
that Craig Spearman was in my commercial law tutorial once
at Auckland Union nineteen ninety three. Had heard of him
listen to the shell trophy, just looked it up and
he went to Massy. So now that whole story is
ruined all the best man.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
And Peter Douglas wrote, Craig Mary Spearman, tough clues. I
just think about these things a lot. I understand, Peter,
so do I. I seem to record he had three
hundred plus for Gloucestershire, which broke the county record held
by a reasonable player named W. G. Grace. Mind blowing
stuff for any black Cat fan left pulling their hair
out at his lovely but inconsequential twenties and thirties in
(37:30):
the late nineties. Keep up the great work. That is correct.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
He was such an exasperating player, wasn't he? Man? And
he's right lovely twenties and thirties. Ah, he had so
much talent, Craig Spearman.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
He looked like he could see your past.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Yes, destructive, absolutely destructive batsman on his day. That three
hundred and forty one that he got for Gloucestershire unbelievable.
He's an absolute legend in there at that county, isn't he.
And the other thing about him quite a sort of
quite a sad story. Actually, he was a compulsive gambler
(38:08):
and has been a real front man for that. I
think we might have talked about that that before, but yeah,
quite quite sad. And he genuinely talks about, you know,
the time that he can pinpoint when it moved from
being recreational gambling to problem gambling.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
And then Black Captain stopped over.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I think it was in Ken's on the way to
a tour in India or Pakistan or off to the
sub continent, and he lost an absolute ship ton of money,
won it all back, but realized realized that he had
had a real problem and yeah that kind of he
had this. I think it was his wife got really sick,
(38:44):
and yeah there was also there's all sorts of really
difficult stuff that he's had to encounter. So yeah, quite
an interesting character for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
All Right, Dylan hit us mate.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
All Right, this one's a bit of a sad one,
ag but here we go.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Who am I?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I made my first class debut while still at school,
with a small curiosity being that it wasn't even one
of the right schools inverted commas that dominated the christ
Church cricket scene. I was a man of notable firsts,
including scoring my one and only first class century in
less than an hour against Otago. Think about that, a
century in fifty three minutes. And that same game I
(39:18):
also dismissed the yappy little wicket keeper for a golden
deck and later in the match for two. I'm not
surprised Ted Henry rose to prominence in the Winter Game instead.
Another first was being banned for a Test for a
relatively arcane transgression. But my most notable moment in another
first came in I dismissed Phil Sharp LBW for forty
(39:39):
eight at the Oval. Though if I gave you any
more details, i'd be giving the game away. I was
known as the workingman's hero for the way I played
the game, and that was more to do with my
mighty six hitting than anything else. But fast, occasionally hostile
bowling was my raison datre. Unfortunately, life was not kind
to me once I left the sport. Couple of failed
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marriages it was one thing, failed attempts as a public
in another, but worst of all was a family tragedy
that haunted me until my final morbidly obese breath. Who
am I? Hmm, well, you just gave the universe. It
was signal of an eyebrow raise, which in the case
(40:20):
that I think you know it.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Yeah, it's quite a great another quite slightly grim story. DC,
it's a good good clothes, very good clothes, I thought.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Very good. With that in mind, let's have Paul Ford's
news or Ruse.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Jace. You're going to be bloody excited about the fact.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
There's a new five team T twenty tournament called the
Global Super League launching in Guyana in late November, featuring
teams from five different countries, sanctioned by the by Cricket
West Indies and fully supported by the state government. Was
the National Government Guyana anyway, and prize money US a
(41:01):
million dollars. It's going to feature the Amazon Warriors and
a team from Cricket Victoria, the lahau Wilanders, Hampshire Cricket
Club and Rangper Riders from Bangladesh and none other than
Cory Anderson will be captaining the Cricket Victoria team number two.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
The White Fans opening.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Game of the summer against Australia at the Basin Reserve
will be gold coin entry as New Zealand Cricket looks
to keep up the momentum behind the newly crowned icc
T twenty World champions Legends. The first ODII of the
Rose Bowl Series is on Thursday December the nineteenth, of course,
another piece of grim news and New Zealand haven't won
that for twenty five years. New Zealand Cricket said the
(41:46):
White Fans are a team. The New Zealand public are
really embracing at present and we're determined to make the
most of it. They've seen large crowns, crowds of excited
fans turning up and down the country during the trophy
tour and they need the supporters they get into this
Crunch series against the dirty, filthy, cheating Australians.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
And number three West Indies fastball Alzari Joseph has been
suspended for two matches by Cricket West Indy's over a
very public disagreement with captain Shy Hope of a field
placements during an ODII against England this week, which the
West Indies won. Ironically, Joseph and Hope engaged in a
lengthy argument for Joseph's over and he had to be
urged by the umpires to resume play after a ball
was played away on the off side During the over.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Joseph remonstrated with Hope. When the over ended, he just
simply walked off the field.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Unbelievable. Cricket West Indies said.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
In a statement that his conduct fell short of their
standards of professionalism. Joseph, to be fair, also apologized and said,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
My passion got the best of me.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
I think it's you'll tend to go first.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Actually, d C had a lot of luck of this lately.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
No, you mean I've been giving luck.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
It's not about luck.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
So that Western he's one is dead right. I watched that.
That was hilarious, that that was insane. I don't know
anything about that Global Super League. It just sounds bizarre.
Why did they pick those five teams to go and
play in Guyana. But I'm going to go with the
White Fans because I believe that it's not even a
(43:13):
gold coin entry. I just believe it's just free. That's
what I was marketed as. Anyway, in the email, I
go from New Zealand Cricket free entry.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I'm going to go for the first option because it
sounds like a hideous disgrace of a tournament, and I'm
going to say the prize money is incorrect.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
Like the rage and the fury in your belly chase.
But Dylan Clever's going to take this one home. That
is exactly right.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
As free entry to the White Fans game at you,
I'd be.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Back, knew whatever, whatever, All right now, I believe now,
Dylan Cleaver, you're going to give us a book review
of the twenty twenty four New Zealand Cricket Almanac.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, that wone work on a podcast so well. But
I'm holding it up now so my fellow pundits and
panelists can see the cover. It is. I've remiss of
this not to do it earlier actually, because it's always
a it's always a great day for me when the
book drops through into my letterbox from the publishers.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
Do you get it for free or do you pay
fifty five dollars like the riff Raft.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I must I get it for free?
Speaker 3 (44:24):
No, wonder you look to it, bugger.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yeah, and it's it's always immaculately presented. This time Retch
and Revenger is on the cover after he's scored his
double ton against South Africa. I think that's fair enough.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Can I just ask you a question. I'm just I'm
just watching you holding that book, Dylan, and I can
see it's like I used to be when I was
a little kid with brand new stationery. I can see
the glee and the joy. Do you get quite excited
when do you handle new books? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
I smell them, Yes, good. I don't know what I
expect them to smell like, but I'm always.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Pleased newly printed.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Newly printed smell. And just a couple of points of
interest in it. As the players of the year were
ritching Revendra and Kane Williamson, which I don't think you
can argue about. They both had incredible seasons, but the
promising players Zach Folks, Will O'Rourke and Gareth Severin, and
(45:18):
I think they've already probably been proved pretty accurate. Accurate
on folks in willow'rourke, it might take Gareth Severin a
little bit longer to make that step up. But there
was one other thing that like Francis Payne and Ian
Smith who compile this just legends in their field. And
(45:39):
I didn't realize this, This is this little factoid, yes,
escaped me. But with those wins in India, with Tim
Sowdy playing two tests that one, he is now the
most successful test cricketer in New Zealand history. Wow, did
you realize that? No, he now has.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
I didn't know either that. That's a bloody good record
to have, isn't it. I've won Imagine going to the
pub and going I've won more Test matches for New
Zealand than anyone else in the history of the game.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Yes, that's good, that's a good record.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
It's amazing. So he went past Ross Taylor. He is
now forty six. Ross Taylor as forty four. Cain Williamson,
who lester remind you did not play in any of
the three tests and is stuck on forty three, but
I suspect that he will eventually pass both Sauvi and Taylor.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
How long does Cain go for?
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Two more years? Reckon?
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Two more?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Maybe three? I think he might do the next Wiltis
Championship cycle and that might be it for him. I
don't know, I've got no that's just speculations.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
He's really struggled with injury. He seems to be under
the gun a lot these days.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
I reckon, I reckon it could be the end of
this England series?
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Do you reckon? I reckon it could be for Suvi.
I honestly think this summer might be Soudy's last, But
well it might. The choice might not be his, to
be fair.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, all right, that's a grim thought, Yeah, isn't it?
Pull forwards? Cricket violence corners, cricket violence corner gun.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
A man's been assaulted in an apparent road rage incident
in high Wickham Valley. Police have launch an appeal for
witnesses following the assault. When two men got out of
a dark colored carn Air traffic lights on doors Hill Lane.
They proceeded to use homophobic language towards the victim, A
man in his forties before assaulting him with a cricket bat.
The victims suffered injuries which required hospital treatment, but he's
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since been discharged. Officers are appealing for witnesses and footage
to the incident. The maker's name of the bat was
unable to be seen in security footage. I know because
I locked. The driver of the car is described vaguely
as thus mixed heritage, in his early thirties and around
six feet tall. That would cover about seventy percent of
the people in that area.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
I'd suggest, how.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Am they know his mixed heritage for what has mixed me?
He could be just heritage. What they're saying is he's
not classically Anglo Saxon, aren't they.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
That's what they're saying. Hey, you know to your correspondence,
this is from Jack, and he writes, hey, guys, love
your work may need some deeper analysis here, but I'd
like to draw attention to a wider member of the
black Caps team that seems to have an interesting knack
for winning. Mike Sandor, the current team manager. He joined
the black Caps at the start of the twenty eleven
twenty twelve summer and finished up early twenty twenty two
(48:32):
quite clearly the meat and bones of our golden era.
In twenty twenty two, right when the black Caps performances
started to dip, he took up a CEO position at
Taranaki Rugby, this being the region he grew up in.
During the two years he was in this position, the
Taranaki Bulls won the provisional title in twenty twenty three
and had a very good win record in twenty twenty four,
(48:53):
might I add, finishing with the great Ranfordy Shield. He
then joins the black Caps again in twenty twenty five
for right before the greatest Test series in New Zealand
cricket history. Coincidence or is there something a bit more
at foot here? Whatever it is, I hope his presence
brings plenty more victories in the future.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Dylan Cleaver, Yeah, there's a bit of a spell check
or what is it, what's it called autocorrect issue? There?
It was the provincial title rather than the provisional title.
But ah right, Yeah. As a keen man of the
Taraniki as well, I have followed Mike Sanders progress very
closely and there is something quite freaky actually about that.
(49:33):
I wonder what they had to do to convince him
to come back.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
I yeah, he does seem like a bit of a
lucky charm, but I think that massively sort of undervalues
his contribution. I think the role that he's come back to,
as I understand it without getting into sort of page
seven of the job description, but I think it's much
more focused on that broader performance of the of the team,
and so looking after the crew that managed the performance
(49:57):
of the team, rather than just the sort of logistics
and where the suitcases are going and the admin and
how many people want bacon with their eggs and all
of that kind of stuff and all the cricket diplomacy.
I think it's a yet very much kind of in
the thick of the action with the team, which is
fantastic in terms of that question though DC.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
I mean, I've got absolutely no idea.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
But it does seem a curious move to sort of
come out and say, yep, really great, can't wait to
go home? Be great to get rid of all of
the travel and all of that kind of stuff. He
did go in there. It coincided with that Silver Lake
money being handed down, and I do wonder whether some
of the shenanigans that have created a lot of headlines
and a lot of anks and rugby circles. He maybe
(50:36):
just was there for the taking for New Zealand cricket
and bloody good on them forgetting them, I'd.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Say, great Steven, terms of your correspondence, pulled forward, What
do they need to do?
Speaker 4 (50:43):
Flick as an email to b YC at Beije Brigade
dot code on end ed will slide into the DMS
of the alternative commentary collective All the Beige Brigade on
Instagram or Facebook. Keep it to a sort of one
hundred words or thereabouts, just to so we can screenshot
it into our WhatsApp chat and bring it up to
up to the mixer each week.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Great stuff. Hey well thanks for taking the time to
listen to this podcast telling your mates about it. Why
don't you and we will be back of course, same time,
same place next week. Till then, see you later.
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