June 5, 2024 • 39 mins
Dylan Cleaver joins Paul Ford for another episode of NZ's #1 cricket pod the BYC!
In this episode, the fellas head around the grounds and review the first seven games of the T20 World Cup (0:00), then preview the Black Caps' opening game against Afghanistan before finishing up with some brilliant correspondence from the BYC listeners!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to the Export Beer Garden Studio.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to the BYC podcast, And this week on the
BYC We're going to be going balls out, sifting through popcorn,
bald Eagles, and Donald Trump paraphernalia as the USA and
West Indies hosted Cricket World Cup gets underway in the
Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.
I'm Paul Ford, the godfather of the Beise Brigade, and
I'm joined by New Zealand's greatest sporting substack scribe before
year of all things sporting, Dylan Cleaver.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
How the bloody hell are you, DC.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm saying, get a little bit tired. I've already banked
a few hours in front of the screen watching the
World T twenty, quite enjoying it. To be honest, I
don't know if you dipped your toe into that water.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yet I have.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And I was actually thinking, how I haven't had too
many late nights, But I wondered whether you were recording
the games and then getting up in the middle of
the night to watch them, or whether you were doing
something else. I wasn't quite sure because there haven't been
too many punishingly morning you know, sort of overnight games
to quench your thirst so far?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah? A couple of two thirty am starts. I don't.
I don't buy into any of that nonsense. I watched
them very early the next morning, but I really enjoyed
the opener, which we'll talk about soon. But yeah, in
terms of overall vibes, I kind of feel almost that
it's been embraced more in the US venues than the
Caribbean so far, and maybe that's the result of the
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kind of weather bomb that's surrounding the Caribbean at the moment,
Caribbean Caribbean. I don't know what's the correct way of
saying that, but yeah, what's your thoughts? So, I guess
so on the opening Salvos.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I'm really obsessed with understanding what America actually thinks about
the game, and are people talking about this in pubs
that you know, amongst families, amongst friends that don't have
an Indian mate. And I suspect that the answer is
probably not. I don't think that there's been massive cut through.
I did see that Cam Williamson had his face projected
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onto a building I think it was the Rockefeller Center
in the middle of New York. So I'm sure these
little glimpses of cricket if you're looking out for them,
But just in the absolute male strom that is American
society and popular culture, I suspect that cricket is not
really getting a look in. And I imagine it's quite
a weird sensation for a lot of the players, even
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for the fans, and obviously all the entourage of media
and so on going around the place and no one
really knowing who the hell they are or what they're
there to do. I can imagine being in customs of
people are like, you're here to do what, and they
just wouldn't understand what the hell was going on.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So I'm quite intrigued about that.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
There's been lots of stories about this tournament being the
kind of this potentially could be the cut through of
the game into America. But the more and more that
I delve into it, it does very much seem like
it is extremely focused on the Indian Pakistani diaspora that
has has made its home in the United States, and.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
That is the least if that is all it does.
Is there anything necessarily wrong with that? I mean, there
we're talking about the aspera of millions of Indians and
Pakistanis and Bengali's. And I saw the ground in Dallas
the other day was packed out because there is a
a Nepalese population of something like twenty thousand in Dallas alone,
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and half of them couldn't get into the ground. So
I mean, if that is the very least it's doing,
it's still doing something, if you know, if you know
what I mean, but I do. I hopefully they drag
a few others along with them, I guess, is what
they're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, yeah, look, I think that's exactly right. And let's
be right, let's you know, not beat around the bush
on this. The economics of well, sorry, the Cricket World
Cup is drawn by economics, the economics of the India
despera driving the interest in the game in America, selling
out stadiums, TV rights, all of that kind of stuff. Absolutely,
I've got no qualms whatsoever. I'm more intrigued about how
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how it intersect with American popular culture. Does it even
get a looking And I guess you know, one way
that it might get onto Sports Center and programs like
that is when you have someone that you've never heard
of comes onto the scene and plays a swash buckling
innings to see one team that you've never heard of,
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or a bunch of players you've never heard of, take
down another team that you've never heard of, and we
saw that this.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Week with Aaron Jones.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Aaron Jones ninety four not out and one of the
absolutely iconic innings and a great way to get the
tournament underway.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And born in Queens, New York, admittedly raised for the
most part of his life in Barbados, where he was
mates with, among others, Shay Hope, Joffra Archer and Jason Holder.
So this incredible nursery I guess of cricket and Barbados,
but he was New York born, which kind of feels important.
The opener as well, who didn't get any runs, Stephen someone.
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There was three US born players in that side, which
is certainly more than you've got when you look at
the likes of Oman who almost entirely Pakistani or Gujerati immigrants.
But yeah, I had a blast watching that game, just
to re quickly recap at USA b Canada by seven
wickets with fourteen balls remaining, chasing down one nine four
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for five, scoring one nine seven for three. As you
mentioned Aaron Jones ninety four not out ten six is
just forty balls. He was incredible. He had one of
five balls and the commentators were kind of talking about
what poor form he had brought into this match, four
single figure scores in his last five innings and how
he really needed some runs, and then all of a
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sudden went everywhere. He was batting with a South African
born player called Andress Goo, I think is how you
say it. They had a partnership something like one hundred
and thirty one one hundred and thirty one run partnership.
Goo scored sixty forty six. It was spectacular. At one
stage the required run rate was more than twelve and over,
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and then the unfortunate Jeremy Gordon bowled one of the
overs for the ages. And if I can just take
you through it, it started with a wide, then Goo hit
a six, then he hit a four, then there was
another why. Then there was a no ball where Goo
was caught on the boundary. Then there was a no
ball with one run, and then old what's his what's
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his pants? Jones came down the other end had a six,
Then there was another why. Then there was a one,
and there was only the only reason it was a
one was a guy did a miracle back back in
on the boundary, and then there was a six, and
then there was a four. It was eleven balls of carnage,
thirty three runs, and the game was pretty much decided
at that point.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Oh, unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, I think Jones and Gets
put one hundred and thirty one and fifty eight balls,
so they were and they were in the strike I've
got to say, though, you look at his career record.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I don't know if you've looked at at Aaron Jones.
He has got a terrible record.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
So the contoada has been quite right and quite within
their rights to have a crack at him.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
He's got a career strike round in ten twenty of
about one hundred and four. He's only ever hit.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
He hits won six every two innings on average, and
he's never scored more than fifty before.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Sorry, that's not true.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
His highest score was fifty before coming into this fixture,
and now he's become an absolute legend of the game.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
So yeah, now, g perhaps he's like Reggie Jackson. Perhaps
he's a big game player. Mister October, that used tocore
Reggie Jackson because he did nothing during the entire season
get to the playoffs start of hitting home runs. It's
Aaron Jones, mister mister June.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Good for the really really cool way to start the
to start the tournament and as you said, a decent cut.
I think it was only six thousand, but it was
quite a lively six thousand people at that game. The
next game up was West and he's beating Papa New
Guinea by five wickets with six boards, remaining a bit
of a squeaky bum game really for the West Indies,
and I guess the thing that caught my eye was
that it was described as being played on a tricky
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two pace track, which is ominous for New Zealand given
the set to play on that same track in Guyana.
As you said, a terrible crowd and really the Western
these blushes were saved by Roston Chase who got forty
two off twenty seven when they were ninety seven for
five after sixteen chasing one thirty six.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Did anything catch your eye on that one dcent?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, I just googling Papa New Guinea. Now, not all
of the player's birthplaces are listed, but as far as
I can make out, they've got something New Zealands certainly
can't claim, and that is all of their players are
locally born, wow and raised. And I was actually quite impressed,
you know, I thought they did well. Look, I don't
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know actually when I say locally raised, maybe they go
to Australia and play cricket in North Queensland or Brisbane
or whatever and then are available for Papua New Guinea.
But they were certainly Papa New Guineans, and yeah, I
thought they played pretty well and they could have won
that game.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Did I see that Papua New guineas coached by to
Tenda Taiboo? Is that correct? I think that's what I think.
That's what I saw, But it might be wrong. That
might be wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Anyway, a close one for the West Indies, who have
been called out by US and others as being a
sort of a smoky chance of the tournament. But you
do get the sense that they'll sort of build into
their power game as they get their alchemy going and
their team been pulled back together specifically for the tournament.
I watched a bit of Namibia versus Oman, who they
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beat in a super over one hundred and nine all
out versus one hundred and nine for six And just
another reminder that David Visa, the man born in hal Teng,
is an absolute beast with bat and ball. For Namibia,
he was absolutely sensational three for twenty eight and then
walloped thirteen runs off four balls in the super over
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as well.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And he looks a bit like Dave Grohl.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
He looks like he kind of doesn't really want to
be there, and then the interview after the match and
he seems like the nicest bloke in the world.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah. Yeah, I watched the Sisters in Bridge Down, Barbados
and again the wicket looked really trickily, you looked tricky
to bed on and it was a low scoring thriller.
I think is the cliche you use at times like
this And then suddenly you get to super over and
it's twenty one off it and so Omaran didn't have
a chance of chasing that down. I think there were
after five balls they were one for four and the
super over so always tricky to get that required eighteen
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off the final ball. Need a lot of things to
go your way, really, but.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Again that guy, you need the guy for Canada to
be bowling.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That's one way did right And again I looked up
birth places for Oman and that's where I discovered that
they're all Pakistani or Indian. So yeah, obviously, I mean
they're not too far apart across the Gulf of Arabia,
is it. So obviously it's a pretty popular landing spot
for Pakistani immigrants.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yes, someone's got to build the spectacular buildings and they
get rich and die trying, I think is the phrase.
So Africa beat Sri Lanka by six wickets with twenty
two balls rauning.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
This was a bit of a game. I think you're
going to have some views on this pitch which I saw.
I think it was.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
The Guardian described it as unscrupulous, which obviously means to
look that up, but it means unfair in that South
Africa played within there, within their means and they were
a bit nervous. I'm sure you've got some thoughts. I'm
keen to hear them, but we should just call out
on Rick Nurtzier four for not very many seven maybe
something something preposterous like that. And this new bloke that
I haven't seen, but apparently he was a superstar in
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the South African t twenty helping the sun rises Eastern
Cape magnificently named Ott Neil Bartman not a Simpsons I
don't know there's a Simpsons connection there somewhere, but surely
if it's a surname, the parents didn't choose it.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And quite an interesting character. I understand.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
He was eligible and asked to be to move sort
of from his country and village school to go to
those one of those posh schools in place water Wall
in South Africa. His mum said no, so he stayed
at his local village school, very academic and then as
kind of like a bit of a breakthrough star as
to be finally led off as a mother's apron strengthen
into the real world. He was sensational eighteen wickets at
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eleven point eight in that South African Tea twenty comp
and it runs for over of.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Less than seven. He looks good.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, look, I don't want to cheapen what he did
because it is amazing and it's a great story. But
anyone could look good bowling on that wicket. And it's
such a shame because that was the game taken to
New York. They built this incredible modular stadium out of
a green park at Isahower Park, which is sort of
out west of sorry east of Queens like you're heading
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right out into the Long Island Sound there, and amazing
job of doing it. But what they relied on was
dropping wickets that were built in Adelaide, then put on
boats and shipped over to Savannah, Georgia, then track down
to Florida to grow during the winter, and then tracked
up to New York and dropped in. Unfortunately, everything about
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this venue relies on those wickets, which were created by
the guy from Adelaide Oval, the guy I think his
name's Damien Hoff. And it was unfortunately next to unplayable.
And I know the popular thing to think to say
during these sort of things is, oh, well, was it
really that bad? Was it that unplayable or was it
just poor batting? Nah? That was that was tough. It
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was really hard work. And on one hand, I'm actually
surprised that it was Hoff that was allowed to do it,
because he's the guy that prepared the drop on wicket
where India all out for thirty something at the Adelaide Oval.
Some surprised the BC.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Time doing this one let him share it, But.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I really wanted this game to work. I thought it
was the first of these well t twenty games between
two test playing nations. I wanted it to capture some imagination,
but it said it was slightly fascal unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, it's an its ominous for the rest of the tournament.
There's a lot of faith being put in that New
York picture. It is preposterous really when you think about it.
You know, the architecture, the scale of the vision to
do what they've done, and incredible what has been done.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, logistically and unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
But also completely unproven and an enormous risk, particularly when
you think about I think some of the tickets for
the English in India Pakistan game are selling for five
thousand US dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
And you know you're looking at that game starting. Not
only is it a tricky picture, but I'm pretty sure
a local time that game starts at ten thirty or
eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
In the morning. Yeah, it could be maybe they could
get to play twice.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, but it does seem like, well, I've got a
feeling of trepidation about it as you. And it does
sound like your description of that picture is something a
bit harsher than unscrupulous DC.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, I'm played there.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
A couple more games, just very quick.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Afghanistan absolutely annihilated Uganda by one hundred and twenty five
run When we can have a touch on the Afghanis
in a little bit when we preview that New Zealand game,
but this was an absolute blitzkrig And Faruki was the man.
He took five wickets, his first time he's taken five wickets.
And for Uganda, they looked incredibly.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
It looked like a mino.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Confused when they were batting. They were sixty eight all out.
But they do have some of the best names, including
their fast bowl of my favorite cosmos kyah Water, which
I think is just one of the great names in
this World Cup. But yeah, what is it, fifty eight,
sixty eight whatever they got six years.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
That was that they played like a genuine minnow. That
was the first time where you looked at it and went, oh,
some teams are going to get some severe hidings here.
They made Afghanistan look like well, actually shouldn't say that
because New Zealand And due to play them, but Afghanistan
looked like it was Usta playing New Zealand in the
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nineties early nineties.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And then overnight Scotland visus England was washed out.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Scotland absolutely going hammer in ninety for nine lots of
rain about and yeah, unfortunate, another sort of ominous sign
for looking at the weather forecast, which we get into
in a sec And the Netherlands beaten Nepal with Takapuna's
finest max O Dowd anchoring the Netherlands chase as they
mowed down one hundred and six.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
He was very calm, very composed and took them through.
I think they had seven balls to spare, eight balls
to spare or something.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Great atmosphere there really good right schoolcards DC. Yeah, yeah,
ground full of Nepalese and actually was a massive day
for the New Zealand contingent. Tim Pringle took three for twenty,
Logan van Beek took three for Raden and Maxo Dowd
got them home, as you said, with an unbeaten half century.
The Dutch cracked me up. Actually, I read an interview
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with Scott Edwards earlier in this tournament. Remember the confidence
they took into the World Cup, you know, and Scott
is added again saying when we're at our best. No
one can beat us. We're a meta anyone that's that's cool,
Good on you, good luck.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And frankly, you know Nepole, but I've got some tricky
backers in there. There could have been a little bit
of a banana skin game. So good to see the
Netherlands seize their opportunity. And you know, they should be
a cut above, and it's good to see that they've
proved that, at least in the opening game.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I don't think Nepole had their best player. Who was
I think acquidted of rape charges recently, Lama Chane I
think his name is, but he still didn't get a
visa to get into the United States, which sounds probably
fair enough. So I don't think they are as strong
as they usually are.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Good point, Yeah, definitely, they're definitely their main man for sure. Hey, DCIC,
we'll take a break, we'll come back. We'll preview New
Zealand versus the Banana Skin Game Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Welcome back to the b y C.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It's Paul fordam Dylan Clever here during the fat and
New Zealand finally going to get underway in a couple
of days. DC Game versus Afghanistan the opening game for
the Black Caps in the Cricket World Cup. They're playing
at Providence. I had a quick look the last four
winning scores at Providence in Georgetown, Guyana one hundred and
eighty three versus Uganda one hundred and thirty seven versus
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pap in New Guinea one hundred and fifty five and
one hundred and sixty four. So the days of the
IPL two hundred and fifty plus scores are absolute dreamland.
I've seen a couple of scam hungering headlines. My favorite
was this one Paul rival Afghanistan sends warning to black
Cats with big opening win over Uganda. I'm not sure
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that a win over the cricket cranes, which is what
Uganda are called, means a hell.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Of a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Something that may be factored in here is New Zealand's flights.
But you'd hope that they'd be okay having traveled I
think Auckland, San Francisco, Houston, Georgetown, which I think is
about thirty four thirty five hours, but they'd had pretty
close to a week, I think, to acclimatize and get
over that get over that jet lag.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
How do you see that one shaping up decent.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Well, I'm a little bit worried about this. All the
narrative or the kind of rhetoric coming out of the
New Zealand camp has been remarkably negative. He had sort
of talking about jet lag and weather bombs and sat
and there talking about what a chaotic start it's been
and how distorted the start of the tournament has been.
They've opted for no warm up games because the team
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was coming in three different ways, because they were coming
from different parts of the parts of the world. It
look it actually sounded like a little bit of a shambles.
I haven't heard anyone sort of sitting there over there
going yeah, we're in great shape, can't wait to get
stuck into it. We've had some amazing together. Yeah, we've
had some amazing net sessions. It doesn't sound like you
can bere to get in the nets because of the weather.
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I'd like you. I did a bit of digging on
this Providence ground. I looked at the twenty twenty three
Caribbean Premier League stats Sexy and they were that's where
the majority of the games were played. And it's a
decent pitch. It's like one hundred and sixty three average,
which is kind of above where most of the grounds
in the Caribbean are at the moment, and that average
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would have been as high as one hundred and ninety
except in the final was a complete blowout where Trinidad Trinbago, sorry,
we're out for ninety four. You don't. There's no discernible
advantage to batting first or second. It's your bat first.
You win four out of the nine games, five out
of the nine games if you're batted second. And yeah,
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it was. It seemed like kind of mid one sixties
was a decent total, which to me feels like what
a t twenty game with a reasonably even contest between
bat and ball should look like. It should be about
kind of one seventy. So it might not be quite
as slow and as turgid as some of the cricket
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and the Caribbean has been over the last ten years,
just because of the low slow track. So it might
suit New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
That sounds well, that sounds promising. I'll tell you something
that doesn't sound promising is that Guyana, which is of
course quite an unusual country. I think when we think
of the western these we always think of these beautiful
tropical islands, and of course that the Guyana's on the
South American continent. It's the only English speaking on that continent.
It's basically in a maybe not a civil war, but
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certainly a political battle with Venezuela.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I think over some oil.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
There's a vein of the country that's contested in these
is a bit of a drama around that. But it's
also known for its tropical rainforests. Book site Gold and Timber.
But let's focus on the tropical rainforest because I can
tell you over the next few days it has sensational
conditions for growing a rainforest. It's the weather conditions from
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Thursday thirty one showers, Friday thirty one thunderstorms and heavy showers,
and Saturday thirty one dull and dreary with showers, ninety
three percent chance of rain. So it is looking but
I'm not sort of whenever we talk about this, they
pretty much always seem to get a game in. But
there's definitely going to be some rain about and I
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don't know whether that's helpful or a hindrance to the
New Zealand team.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, well it's a lottery, isn't it. I guess if
you know beforehand, it can play into your decision at
the toss. Most teams liked about second when there's rain about,
so you know what the Duckworth Lewis equation is, but
it doesn't always work that way. You go in as
a fascinating country. It's such an outlier in world cricket
and I've always been fascinated about it ever since. I
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think I've read clave Lloyd's autobiography when I was about
twelve or thirteen, and to me it sounded quite idyllic.
Georgetown Goan sounded quite idlic But I've subsequently talked to
plenty of people who've been there and it's far from
my delic I think you have to be careful at night.
They definitely tell you don't go out in ones. Make
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sure there's a group of you when you go out.
But I've piled and it's also a very curious place
in the Caribbean milieu in that it produces incredible batters
and virtually no fast bowlers at all. But I've compiled
again and he's all time eleven and I've had to
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leave out some incredible batters. But I'm opening with Roy
Fredericks and Ramna Esh Sawan, Shivneren Chanderpaul's elevated to number three,
Basil Butcher's number four, Alvin Keller trans number five. Clyde
Lord is captaining the team at number six rowand can I,
the roan can I will be the best ever number seven.
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He also has to wicket keep because they weren't rich
in wicket keepers. Carl Hooper I've got coming him at
eight and he's a genuine all rounder in this team
ahead of Lance Gibbs who was the first bowl of
take three hundred Test wickets. Shama Joseph on very little evidence,
is already in the team at number ten, and Colin Croft,
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no best known in New Zealand for the strange angle
of his run up, is batting number eleven. I couldn't
find a place for Roger Harper or Devendra Bishu, Himron
hit Meyer and several other batters. Actually, so it's a
it's powerful all time eleven.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Pretty good.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
And I'll tell you what, I'm glad that Tjenerine Chanderpaul
did not make your team. I'm happy with that. A
couple of bits and pieces for you. I never knew
that Larance Gibbs was Clive Lloyd cousin, first cousin. So yeah,
thick as thieves. Obviously a real fraternity amongst the Guyanese
players as well.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You mentioned Besil Butcher.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Now I don't know a hell of a lot about him,
but he was an amazing player back in the in
the fifties with your mate Can I and then Can
I Is that what he said?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
And another guy called Joe Solomon. Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
They they were they all worked together on this sugar
plantation in Port Morant, and there was a guy called
Clyde Walcott.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
A legendary batner from Barbados.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I think, one of the three ws who.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Looked after them, and so he was employed. How good
is this? So Clyde Walcott was employed by the local
Sugar Producers Association to be the cricket organizer for the
Port Morant sugar Plantation cricket team.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And he was amazing at the guys developed their own
technique and turn into these pridigious talents. So, yeah, a
really awesome story. And yeah, I guess where you get
to around this is it's incredible that the westerns is
just this train smashed together of lots of these extraordinary countries,
each of which have their own strengths and weaknesses and
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could probably and.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Have historically been teams in and of their own right.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And you wonder whether it's going to go back to
that as Western East Cricket teams to looks like it's
going to fragment.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Hey, and what.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
About this new Zealand team DC, who is actually going
to play? Have you got an eleven for us? And
have you got a I don't know a couple of things.
I'm conscious with Stevin Conway coming back here with thumb injury,
Fan Allen's got a back injury. Glen Phillips didn't play
in the IPL. Ken Williamston only played a couple. We've
got nine guys that have been in the pressure cooker
of the IPL, but they've got, as I mentioned, thirty
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to forty hours of travel, a big gap before the
first game.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
There's a few things to sort out that we haven't
sorted out.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
It seems the leaning heavily on experience. It's not a
I think I mentioned this last week when we had
a soft relaunch, but it's not a team that fills
me with a huge amount of anticipation or excitement. Actually,
I presume they will open with Allan and I think
Conway has to because he's unless they have a real
voulta Facha and decide that Glen Phillips is in fact
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a wiki keeper non lost, and I think Conway has
to wicked keep. Williamson clearly has to play, he has
to captain, so he's got to be in the top three.
So there, so Alan has to do a lot of
heavy lifting in that top three to get the scoring
rate after a stroke rade after a decent clip. I
think Mitchell probably bats four ahead of Chapman, and then
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they would have Phillips at five, and then I'm just
completely confused. I've gone for bracewooll Nesham, Santana, Sody, Ferguson Bolt.
But you can make an argument that Chapman could be
in there. You can make an argument that Henry should
be in there. You can make it certainly make an
argument that Sody shouldn't be in there. Revendra doesn't get
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a looking for me, but you know, personally I would
have him in there, but I don't know how you
can play him in the eleven with the way they
configure that squad. It's a real it's a bit of
a dog's Breakfast. For me. To be honest, I have
not really settled. I picked that eleven, but I'm really
unsettled about it, and you can talk me out of
it any which way you want.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, look, I've got to get I feel like Revenger
and Chapman are kind of battling for the same position,
so I've got them in a in a duel to
the death at that number six, and I'm going to
go for I would pick Revenger. I think they'll pick Chapman.
I think Chapman's got a He's been good over the
last twelve months for New Zealand so and did some
good things in Pakistan, so fair enough. I'm not sort
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of dying on a hell over that. Then I'm going
Nishan or Bracewell, and I'm going to pick Bracefel because
I think I just I'm reading the tea leaps from
from Gary stead Stain, there's a lock for me. I
think that they will pick Saudi. I'm not picking Sody
and I'm not picking Henry, and then it's Ferguson and
Bolt for me.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So okay, yeah, but yeah, just it does feel like
New Zealand does have a very interchangeable team.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
So when I went through and did my deafinits, that's
what I always do. First, I put in the ones
that will definitely there's no way they're going to miss out,
and I had Alan Komway Williamson and again it's not
a top three I particularly like, but just because of
the situation with the wicked keeper, it has to be that.
So had those three and then I went down to
Santana at a was as my next definite, and then
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ferguson a Bolt at ten and eleven, so they were
I had six definites. The rest that's just throwing stuff
in the air and depending on which way it lands,
you know.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
And frankly it should be good enough. That's the other
thing as well.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
You know, it's not like it's not like we're not
using between guys that are shockingly bad.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
It's actually an embarrassment of strength and away.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
But yeah, I think I think the one thing that
you would say that New Zealand is potentially missing is
just that absolutely blockbusting slogathon at the top. And yeah,
as you say, a lot of pressure on Allen.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
It's non embarrassment of strike great strength at the top
I think that is the Achilles heel of this team.
And you wonder when is it time to give Robinson
a fair crack at it or something like that, But
then a very good player has to miss out.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So and but Afghanistan, I guess a lot of pressure
on there, a lot of pressure, a lot of stock
put in there, a bit like Pakistani really on their openers, right,
Ibrahim Zadran Raman la Gerbars.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I mean they put one hundred and fifty four against Uganda.
That doesn't mean.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Anything, but you know that they are going to be
super hyper magnificently aggressive.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
They're great to watch.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
They go absolutely balls to the wall in terms of
that opening partnership. And then it's all about the old
dogs Rashid Khan and navinol Hark generally with the ball,
although as mentioned earlier, fuzzle Hart Faruki taking five to
nine against Uganda probably about a ninety percent discount on that,
but that feels like their main weapons.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Muji is Mujib playing he's I always seem to have
this little mild panic and anxiety about coming up against
Afghaniststan spinners. But unless I'm mistake, in New Zealand always
does well again against him, don't they. I don't. I
don't think they've tripped us up like they have other teams.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, I think that's right, and I think maybe you're
hearing some of that sort of weariness. You know, you
wouldn't say that as as you said, you know, New
Zealand are hardly going into this game supremely confident. So yeah,
I think they'll be doing there. They'll be doing their
homework as well. Afghanistan. You know their coach Jonathan Trump
obviously a smart fellow. And they've also got the guy
that you may have heard of, Dwayne Bravo, who was
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their bowling advisor. Obviously a bit of a hometown advantage
there for him, although not so sure how much help
he'll be providing to the spinners. But yes, hey we
should grab a quick break and then DC, I think
you've got a quiz for us and I'll bring us
back with a bit of cricket violence. Welcome back to
(31:37):
the by C and DC, I understand you've got a
quiz question for us over between Guyana and New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah. I just wanted to stretch this Guyanese theme as
far as I possibly could, and look, if you can
name the test cricketer from Guyana who died in Hamilton,
New Zealand two years ago, the first person that pops
out into our in box, and Paul will give the
details to that and just a bit we'll get a
shout out next week and an optional Jason Hoyt Stripper
(32:04):
Gram at your workplace. So you choose. You either get
a shout out on the BYC or hoiti in for
a stripper Gram. We have to check his available obviously,
but yeah, can you name the test cricketer from Guyana
who died in Hamilton, New Zealand in twenty twenty two?
Do you know the answer? Paul?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I think I actually do.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I'm not going to spoil it, and you know I
definitely want someone to win a Jason Hoyt Stripper Gram.
We may have to kidnap him sort of like scg
McGill and get him to that stripper Gram destination, but
that's a cable. We can do that for the team.
But yeah, flick us an email to BYC at Basebrigade
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to us as well. We'd love to hear from you
getting back on the horse over the course of the
cricket Will Cup. It'll be fantastic to hear from our
loyal and non loyal listeners over the next few weeks.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Paul Forward's Cricket violence Corner. Well, this week we are
in Australia. It is official. Disgraced former cricketer Michael Slater's
name is being wipe from history in his home city.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
The Wogga Wogga City councilors have voted in favor of
changing the name of Michael Slater Oval. This honor for
the test batter was unveiled in twenty fourteen. Fellow Wogga
products and former international cricketers Mark Taylor and Jeff Lawson
also have Ovals named in their honor in Wogga Wogga,
colloquially dubbed the city is dubbed the City of Good
Sports for its history of producing top athletes. But Michael
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Slater Oval will be no more after councilors voted four
to three in favor of changing the name. Of course,
the fifty four year old was last month refused bailed
by our Sunshine Coast course at court as he faces
nineteen charges relating to domestic violence. I've got a couple
of nominations for the Oval, Sam Moran from the Wiggles,
so the I don't think anyone would be crossing that out.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Dame Edna Everidge, I'm not sure how open minded they are.
And Wogga Wogga, but she's from that neck of the woods.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
And this one speaking of crossovers between Australia and New Zealand,
what about Raylene the Castle Oval, I think that could
confuse enough Australians.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
She is a product of Wogga Wogga as well.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
So there we go a couple of suggestions from me
to fix Wogga Wogger DC over to you.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Really sad story there as she and I was reading
a couple of the comments from the counselors who voted
to retain the name, and it didn't give you a
lot of hope for Australia, for inland rural Australia, with
some of the thinking that went into some of the
defenses of Michael Stada. But anyway, we'll move right on.
I've got a little bit of correspondence. This one's from
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Simon Sherbert and it relates to last week's conversation about
the IPL and he said, Hey, Leaz, just wondering what
is to stop IPL owners buying into the Super Smash.
I think the biggest thing to stop them as not
for sale. But apart from that, pul forward, do you
have any thoughts off the top of your head.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
It's a really interesting one and I guess it's a
real dilemma that countries that currently have not engaged private
ownership into their T twenty franchises. I England, who are
obviously contemplating doing that it's about to happen. Australia are
in a well, there's lots of discussion about that becoming
(35:28):
a thing for the Big Bash. Look, I think I
do wonder whether the market has been subtly tested and
there's kind of no interest.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I would imagine, you.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Know it potentially is I think that the primary issue
that we've that they've got at the moment is where
does the Super Smash.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
New Zealand's a complicated place to get to.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Time zone is terrible.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
The time zone is terrible and also now you've got
the added complexity of the New Zealand summer competing with
Major League Cricket in the United States and also the
South African competition. So you know, arguably you could say
it's quite a good idea. It's maybe the direction that
the world is turning, but maybe it has turned too
far for New Zealand to even contemplate doing that. You know,
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we've talked before on the b YC about maybe New
Zealand's place in the world around or the supersmashes place
in the world around that is to be a feeder
competition for one of the others feels more realistic unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
And that's where I think there is. That's the only
kind of realistic proposition is that you'd buy into the
New Zealand competition if you're using it as a development
vehicle for talent. Essentially, you're not buying it as a
broadcast vehicle because no one wants to watch even in India,
you're not watching cricket at that time of the day
because it's just such a dreadful time zone. So it
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would be a development because they simply can't get all
the young talent that they've got there enough game time
and again, where's the attraction for New Zealand and that
apart from, you know, a few million rupees coming in?
Do we want to turn the super smash into a
development vehicle a young Indian talent or other talent that
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they own from other countries that aren't getting game time
necessarily in the South African one or the IPL. It's
very complicated, but I'm and again that is why I
would love to see what New Zealand crickets strategy around
this globalization of T twenty cricketers and specifically towards the IPL,
because there is going to be massive change in this area.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I think the other thing that's in my head around this,
and it's not a fully formed thought, but you know,
and it's almost sort of potentially it's slightly humiliating the
New Zealand cricket to contemplate, but maybe our place in
the world around this is actually becoming a development league
for some of these teams and some of the players
that are actually going around on this World Cup who
aren't the superstars, and it's going to end up being afghanie, Ugandans,
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players from Oman Netherlands and that becomes New New Zealand
kind of calves out its place as a sort of
secondary part of a secondary world tour which has not
yet emerged, but eventually, as the IPL franchises take their
kind of Formula one tier of cricketers, including lots of
the big dogs from New Zealand as well, take them
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up onto these full time contracts to play all around
the world in a various different competitions for teams that
they own, there's going to be a bunch of players
who are left behind who either aspire to be in
that next tier or who are quite comfortable going around
the world playing cricket and getting paid decent money without
becoming squillionaires. And maybe realistically that's a more pragmatic place
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for New Zealand to end up in the cricketing universe.
I'm not sort of advocating for that, just being realistic.
And on that note, thanks for downloading and tuning into
the BYC.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
It's quite nice to be back. We will also be
back on Monday too, with some glee or some gloom.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
We'll be giving our hot take on the inaugural New
Zealand game versus the Misogynists of Afghanistan plus we'll be
reviewing and previewing the other matches of the tournament in
the meantime, feel free to get in touch over the
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Speaker 3 (39:07):
Come on
Welcome to the Export Beer Garden Studio.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to the BYC podcast, And this week on the
BYC We're going to be going balls out, sifting through popcorn,
bald Eagles, and Donald Trump paraphernalia as the USA and
West Indies hosted Cricket World Cup gets underway in the
Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.
I'm Paul Ford, the godfather of the Beise Brigade, and
I'm joined by New Zealand's greatest sporting substack scribe before
year of all things sporting, Dylan Cleaver.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
How the bloody hell are you, DC.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm saying, get a little bit tired. I've already banked
a few hours in front of the screen watching the
World T twenty, quite enjoying it. To be honest, I
don't know if you dipped your toe into that water.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yet I have.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And I was actually thinking, how I haven't had too
many late nights, But I wondered whether you were recording
the games and then getting up in the middle of
the night to watch them, or whether you were doing
something else. I wasn't quite sure because there haven't been
too many punishingly morning you know, sort of overnight games
to quench your thirst so far?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah? A couple of two thirty am starts. I don't.
I don't buy into any of that nonsense. I watched
them very early the next morning, but I really enjoyed
the opener, which we'll talk about soon. But yeah, in
terms of overall vibes, I kind of feel almost that
it's been embraced more in the US venues than the
Caribbean so far, and maybe that's the result of the
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kind of weather bomb that's surrounding the Caribbean at the moment,
Caribbean Caribbean. I don't know what's the correct way of
saying that, but yeah, what's your thoughts? So, I guess
so on the opening Salvos.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I'm really obsessed with understanding what America actually thinks about
the game, and are people talking about this in pubs
that you know, amongst families, amongst friends that don't have
an Indian mate. And I suspect that the answer is
probably not. I don't think that there's been massive cut through.
I did see that Cam Williamson had his face projected
(02:04):
onto a building I think it was the Rockefeller Center
in the middle of New York. So I'm sure these
little glimpses of cricket if you're looking out for them,
But just in the absolute male strom that is American
society and popular culture, I suspect that cricket is not
really getting a look in. And I imagine it's quite
a weird sensation for a lot of the players, even
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for the fans, and obviously all the entourage of media
and so on going around the place and no one
really knowing who the hell they are or what they're
there to do. I can imagine being in customs of
people are like, you're here to do what, and they
just wouldn't understand what the hell was going on.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So I'm quite intrigued about that.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
There's been lots of stories about this tournament being the
kind of this potentially could be the cut through of
the game into America. But the more and more that
I delve into it, it does very much seem like
it is extremely focused on the Indian Pakistani diaspora that
has has made its home in the United States, and.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
That is the least if that is all it does.
Is there anything necessarily wrong with that? I mean, there
we're talking about the aspera of millions of Indians and
Pakistanis and Bengali's. And I saw the ground in Dallas
the other day was packed out because there is a
a Nepalese population of something like twenty thousand in Dallas alone,
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and half of them couldn't get into the ground. So
I mean, if that is the very least it's doing,
it's still doing something, if you know, if you know
what I mean, but I do. I hopefully they drag
a few others along with them, I guess, is what
they're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, yeah, look, I think that's exactly right. And let's
be right, let's you know, not beat around the bush
on this. The economics of well, sorry, the Cricket World
Cup is drawn by economics, the economics of the India
despera driving the interest in the game in America, selling
out stadiums, TV rights, all of that kind of stuff. Absolutely,
I've got no qualms whatsoever. I'm more intrigued about how
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how it intersect with American popular culture. Does it even
get a looking And I guess you know, one way
that it might get onto Sports Center and programs like
that is when you have someone that you've never heard
of comes onto the scene and plays a swash buckling
innings to see one team that you've never heard of,
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or a bunch of players you've never heard of, take
down another team that you've never heard of, and we
saw that this.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Week with Aaron Jones.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Aaron Jones ninety four not out and one of the
absolutely iconic innings and a great way to get the
tournament underway.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And born in Queens, New York, admittedly raised for the
most part of his life in Barbados, where he was
mates with, among others, Shay Hope, Joffra Archer and Jason Holder.
So this incredible nursery I guess of cricket and Barbados,
but he was New York born, which kind of feels important.
The opener as well, who didn't get any runs, Stephen someone.
(05:00):
There was three US born players in that side, which
is certainly more than you've got when you look at
the likes of Oman who almost entirely Pakistani or Gujerati immigrants.
But yeah, I had a blast watching that game, just
to re quickly recap at USA b Canada by seven
wickets with fourteen balls remaining, chasing down one nine four
(05:23):
for five, scoring one nine seven for three. As you
mentioned Aaron Jones ninety four not out ten six is
just forty balls. He was incredible. He had one of
five balls and the commentators were kind of talking about
what poor form he had brought into this match, four
single figure scores in his last five innings and how
he really needed some runs, and then all of a
(05:44):
sudden went everywhere. He was batting with a South African
born player called Andress Goo, I think is how you
say it. They had a partnership something like one hundred
and thirty one one hundred and thirty one run partnership.
Goo scored sixty forty six. It was spectacular. At one
stage the required run rate was more than twelve and over,
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and then the unfortunate Jeremy Gordon bowled one of the
overs for the ages. And if I can just take
you through it, it started with a wide, then Goo hit
a six, then he hit a four, then there was
another why. Then there was a no ball where Goo
was caught on the boundary. Then there was a no
ball with one run, and then old what's his what's
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his pants? Jones came down the other end had a six,
Then there was another why. Then there was a one,
and there was only the only reason it was a
one was a guy did a miracle back back in
on the boundary, and then there was a six, and
then there was a four. It was eleven balls of carnage,
thirty three runs, and the game was pretty much decided
at that point.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Oh, unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, I think Jones and Gets
put one hundred and thirty one and fifty eight balls,
so they were and they were in the strike I've
got to say, though, you look at his career record.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I don't know if you've looked at at Aaron Jones.
He has got a terrible record.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
So the contoada has been quite right and quite within
their rights to have a crack at him.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
He's got a career strike round in ten twenty of
about one hundred and four. He's only ever hit.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
He hits won six every two innings on average, and
he's never scored more than fifty before.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Sorry, that's not true.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
His highest score was fifty before coming into this fixture,
and now he's become an absolute legend of the game.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
So yeah, now, g perhaps he's like Reggie Jackson. Perhaps
he's a big game player. Mister October, that used tocore
Reggie Jackson because he did nothing during the entire season
get to the playoffs start of hitting home runs. It's
Aaron Jones, mister mister June.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Good for the really really cool way to start the
to start the tournament and as you said, a decent cut.
I think it was only six thousand, but it was
quite a lively six thousand people at that game. The
next game up was West and he's beating Papa New
Guinea by five wickets with six boards, remaining a bit
of a squeaky bum game really for the West Indies,
and I guess the thing that caught my eye was
that it was described as being played on a tricky
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two pace track, which is ominous for New Zealand given
the set to play on that same track in Guyana.
As you said, a terrible crowd and really the Western
these blushes were saved by Roston Chase who got forty
two off twenty seven when they were ninety seven for
five after sixteen chasing one thirty six.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Did anything catch your eye on that one dcent?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, I just googling Papa New Guinea. Now, not all
of the player's birthplaces are listed, but as far as
I can make out, they've got something New Zealands certainly
can't claim, and that is all of their players are
locally born, wow and raised. And I was actually quite impressed,
you know, I thought they did well. Look, I don't
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know actually when I say locally raised, maybe they go
to Australia and play cricket in North Queensland or Brisbane
or whatever and then are available for Papua New Guinea.
But they were certainly Papa New Guineans, and yeah, I
thought they played pretty well and they could have won
that game.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Did I see that Papua New guineas coached by to
Tenda Taiboo? Is that correct? I think that's what I think.
That's what I saw, But it might be wrong. That
might be wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Anyway, a close one for the West Indies, who have
been called out by US and others as being a
sort of a smoky chance of the tournament. But you
do get the sense that they'll sort of build into
their power game as they get their alchemy going and
their team been pulled back together specifically for the tournament.
I watched a bit of Namibia versus Oman, who they
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beat in a super over one hundred and nine all
out versus one hundred and nine for six And just
another reminder that David Visa, the man born in hal Teng,
is an absolute beast with bat and ball. For Namibia,
he was absolutely sensational three for twenty eight and then
walloped thirteen runs off four balls in the super over
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as well.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And he looks a bit like Dave Grohl.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
He looks like he kind of doesn't really want to
be there, and then the interview after the match and
he seems like the nicest bloke in the world.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah. Yeah, I watched the Sisters in Bridge Down, Barbados
and again the wicket looked really trickily, you looked tricky
to bed on and it was a low scoring thriller.
I think is the cliche you use at times like
this And then suddenly you get to super over and
it's twenty one off it and so Omaran didn't have
a chance of chasing that down. I think there were
after five balls they were one for four and the
super over so always tricky to get that required eighteen
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off the final ball. Need a lot of things to
go your way, really, but.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Again that guy, you need the guy for Canada to
be bowling.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
That's one way did right And again I looked up
birth places for Oman and that's where I discovered that
they're all Pakistani or Indian. So yeah, obviously, I mean
they're not too far apart across the Gulf of Arabia,
is it. So obviously it's a pretty popular landing spot
for Pakistani immigrants.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yes, someone's got to build the spectacular buildings and they
get rich and die trying, I think is the phrase.
So Africa beat Sri Lanka by six wickets with twenty
two balls rauning.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
This was a bit of a game. I think you're
going to have some views on this pitch which I saw.
I think it was.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
The Guardian described it as unscrupulous, which obviously means to
look that up, but it means unfair in that South
Africa played within there, within their means and they were
a bit nervous. I'm sure you've got some thoughts. I'm
keen to hear them, but we should just call out
on Rick Nurtzier four for not very many seven maybe
something something preposterous like that. And this new bloke that
I haven't seen, but apparently he was a superstar in
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the South African t twenty helping the sun rises Eastern
Cape magnificently named Ott Neil Bartman not a Simpsons I
don't know there's a Simpsons connection there somewhere, but surely
if it's a surname, the parents didn't choose it.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And quite an interesting character. I understand.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
He was eligible and asked to be to move sort
of from his country and village school to go to
those one of those posh schools in place water Wall
in South Africa. His mum said no, so he stayed
at his local village school, very academic and then as
kind of like a bit of a breakthrough star as
to be finally led off as a mother's apron strengthen
into the real world. He was sensational eighteen wickets at
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eleven point eight in that South African Tea twenty comp
and it runs for over of.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Less than seven. He looks good.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, look, I don't want to cheapen what he did
because it is amazing and it's a great story. But
anyone could look good bowling on that wicket. And it's
such a shame because that was the game taken to
New York. They built this incredible modular stadium out of
a green park at Isahower Park, which is sort of
out west of sorry east of Queens like you're heading
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right out into the Long Island Sound there, and amazing
job of doing it. But what they relied on was
dropping wickets that were built in Adelaide, then put on
boats and shipped over to Savannah, Georgia, then track down
to Florida to grow during the winter, and then tracked
up to New York and dropped in. Unfortunately, everything about
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this venue relies on those wickets, which were created by
the guy from Adelaide Oval, the guy I think his
name's Damien Hoff. And it was unfortunately next to unplayable.
And I know the popular thing to think to say
during these sort of things is, oh, well, was it
really that bad? Was it that unplayable or was it
just poor batting? Nah? That was that was tough. It
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was really hard work. And on one hand, I'm actually
surprised that it was Hoff that was allowed to do it,
because he's the guy that prepared the drop on wicket
where India all out for thirty something at the Adelaide Oval.
Some surprised the BC.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Time doing this one let him share it, But.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I really wanted this game to work. I thought it
was the first of these well t twenty games between
two test playing nations. I wanted it to capture some imagination,
but it said it was slightly fascal unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, it's an its ominous for the rest of the tournament.
There's a lot of faith being put in that New
York picture. It is preposterous really when you think about it.
You know, the architecture, the scale of the vision to
do what they've done, and incredible what has been done.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, logistically and unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
But also completely unproven and an enormous risk, particularly when
you think about I think some of the tickets for
the English in India Pakistan game are selling for five
thousand US dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
And you know you're looking at that game starting. Not
only is it a tricky picture, but I'm pretty sure
a local time that game starts at ten thirty or
eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
In the morning. Yeah, it could be maybe they could
get to play twice.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, but it does seem like, well, I've got a
feeling of trepidation about it as you. And it does
sound like your description of that picture is something a
bit harsher than unscrupulous DC.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, I'm played there.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
A couple more games, just very quick.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Afghanistan absolutely annihilated Uganda by one hundred and twenty five
run When we can have a touch on the Afghanis
in a little bit when we preview that New Zealand game,
but this was an absolute blitzkrig And Faruki was the man.
He took five wickets, his first time he's taken five wickets.
And for Uganda, they looked incredibly.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
It looked like a mino.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Confused when they were batting. They were sixty eight all out.
But they do have some of the best names, including
their fast bowl of my favorite cosmos kyah Water, which
I think is just one of the great names in
this World Cup. But yeah, what is it, fifty eight,
sixty eight whatever they got six years.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
That was that they played like a genuine minnow. That
was the first time where you looked at it and went, oh,
some teams are going to get some severe hidings here.
They made Afghanistan look like well, actually shouldn't say that
because New Zealand And due to play them, but Afghanistan
looked like it was Usta playing New Zealand in the
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nineties early nineties.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And then overnight Scotland visus England was washed out.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Scotland absolutely going hammer in ninety for nine lots of
rain about and yeah, unfortunate, another sort of ominous sign
for looking at the weather forecast, which we get into
in a sec And the Netherlands beaten Nepal with Takapuna's
finest max O Dowd anchoring the Netherlands chase as they
mowed down one hundred and six.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
He was very calm, very composed and took them through.
I think they had seven balls to spare, eight balls
to spare or something.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Great atmosphere there really good right schoolcards DC. Yeah, yeah,
ground full of Nepalese and actually was a massive day
for the New Zealand contingent. Tim Pringle took three for twenty,
Logan van Beek took three for Raden and Maxo Dowd
got them home, as you said, with an unbeaten half century.
The Dutch cracked me up. Actually, I read an interview
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with Scott Edwards earlier in this tournament. Remember the confidence
they took into the World Cup, you know, and Scott
is added again saying when we're at our best. No
one can beat us. We're a meta anyone that's that's cool,
Good on you, good luck.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And frankly, you know Nepole, but I've got some tricky
backers in there. There could have been a little bit
of a banana skin game. So good to see the
Netherlands seize their opportunity. And you know, they should be
a cut above, and it's good to see that they've
proved that, at least in the opening game.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I don't think Nepole had their best player. Who was
I think acquidted of rape charges recently, Lama Chane I
think his name is, but he still didn't get a
visa to get into the United States, which sounds probably
fair enough. So I don't think they are as strong
as they usually are.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Good point, Yeah, definitely, they're definitely their main man for sure. Hey, DCIC,
we'll take a break, we'll come back. We'll preview New
Zealand versus the Banana Skin Game Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Welcome back to the b y C.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It's Paul fordam Dylan Clever here during the fat and
New Zealand finally going to get underway in a couple
of days. DC Game versus Afghanistan the opening game for
the Black Caps in the Cricket World Cup. They're playing
at Providence. I had a quick look the last four
winning scores at Providence in Georgetown, Guyana one hundred and
eighty three versus Uganda one hundred and thirty seven versus
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pap in New Guinea one hundred and fifty five and
one hundred and sixty four. So the days of the
IPL two hundred and fifty plus scores are absolute dreamland.
I've seen a couple of scam hungering headlines. My favorite
was this one Paul rival Afghanistan sends warning to black
Cats with big opening win over Uganda. I'm not sure
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that a win over the cricket cranes, which is what
Uganda are called, means a hell.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Of a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Something that may be factored in here is New Zealand's flights.
But you'd hope that they'd be okay having traveled I
think Auckland, San Francisco, Houston, Georgetown, which I think is
about thirty four thirty five hours, but they'd had pretty
close to a week, I think, to acclimatize and get
over that get over that jet lag.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
How do you see that one shaping up decent.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Well, I'm a little bit worried about this. All the
narrative or the kind of rhetoric coming out of the
New Zealand camp has been remarkably negative. He had sort
of talking about jet lag and weather bombs and sat
and there talking about what a chaotic start it's been
and how distorted the start of the tournament has been.
They've opted for no warm up games because the team
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was coming in three different ways, because they were coming
from different parts of the parts of the world. It
look it actually sounded like a little bit of a shambles.
I haven't heard anyone sort of sitting there over there
going yeah, we're in great shape, can't wait to get
stuck into it. We've had some amazing together. Yeah, we've
had some amazing net sessions. It doesn't sound like you
can bere to get in the nets because of the weather.
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I'd like you. I did a bit of digging on
this Providence ground. I looked at the twenty twenty three
Caribbean Premier League stats Sexy and they were that's where
the majority of the games were played. And it's a
decent pitch. It's like one hundred and sixty three average,
which is kind of above where most of the grounds
in the Caribbean are at the moment, and that average
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would have been as high as one hundred and ninety
except in the final was a complete blowout where Trinidad Trinbago, sorry,
we're out for ninety four. You don't. There's no discernible
advantage to batting first or second. It's your bat first.
You win four out of the nine games, five out
of the nine games if you're batted second. And yeah,
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it was. It seemed like kind of mid one sixties
was a decent total, which to me feels like what
a t twenty game with a reasonably even contest between
bat and ball should look like. It should be about
kind of one seventy. So it might not be quite
as slow and as turgid as some of the cricket
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and the Caribbean has been over the last ten years,
just because of the low slow track. So it might
suit New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
That sounds well, that sounds promising. I'll tell you something
that doesn't sound promising is that Guyana, which is of
course quite an unusual country. I think when we think
of the western these we always think of these beautiful
tropical islands, and of course that the Guyana's on the
South American continent. It's the only English speaking on that continent.
It's basically in a maybe not a civil war, but
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certainly a political battle with Venezuela.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I think over some oil.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
There's a vein of the country that's contested in these
is a bit of a drama around that. But it's
also known for its tropical rainforests. Book site Gold and Timber.
But let's focus on the tropical rainforest because I can
tell you over the next few days it has sensational
conditions for growing a rainforest. It's the weather conditions from
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Thursday thirty one showers, Friday thirty one thunderstorms and heavy showers,
and Saturday thirty one dull and dreary with showers, ninety
three percent chance of rain. So it is looking but
I'm not sort of whenever we talk about this, they
pretty much always seem to get a game in. But
there's definitely going to be some rain about and I
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don't know whether that's helpful or a hindrance to the
New Zealand team.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, well it's a lottery, isn't it. I guess if
you know beforehand, it can play into your decision at
the toss. Most teams liked about second when there's rain about,
so you know what the Duckworth Lewis equation is, but
it doesn't always work that way. You go in as
a fascinating country. It's such an outlier in world cricket
and I've always been fascinated about it ever since. I
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think I've read clave Lloyd's autobiography when I was about
twelve or thirteen, and to me it sounded quite idyllic.
Georgetown Goan sounded quite idlic But I've subsequently talked to
plenty of people who've been there and it's far from
my delic I think you have to be careful at night.
They definitely tell you don't go out in ones. Make
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sure there's a group of you when you go out.
But I've piled and it's also a very curious place
in the Caribbean milieu in that it produces incredible batters
and virtually no fast bowlers at all. But I've compiled
again and he's all time eleven and I've had to
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leave out some incredible batters. But I'm opening with Roy
Fredericks and Ramna Esh Sawan, Shivneren Chanderpaul's elevated to number three,
Basil Butcher's number four, Alvin Keller trans number five. Clyde
Lord is captaining the team at number six rowand can I,
the roan can I will be the best ever number seven.
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He also has to wicket keep because they weren't rich
in wicket keepers. Carl Hooper I've got coming him at
eight and he's a genuine all rounder in this team
ahead of Lance Gibbs who was the first bowl of
take three hundred Test wickets. Shama Joseph on very little evidence,
is already in the team at number ten, and Colin Croft,
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no best known in New Zealand for the strange angle
of his run up, is batting number eleven. I couldn't
find a place for Roger Harper or Devendra Bishu, Himron
hit Meyer and several other batters. Actually, so it's a
it's powerful all time eleven.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Pretty good.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
And I'll tell you what, I'm glad that Tjenerine Chanderpaul
did not make your team. I'm happy with that. A
couple of bits and pieces for you. I never knew
that Larance Gibbs was Clive Lloyd cousin, first cousin. So yeah,
thick as thieves. Obviously a real fraternity amongst the Guyanese
players as well.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You mentioned Besil Butcher.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Now I don't know a hell of a lot about him,
but he was an amazing player back in the in
the fifties with your mate Can I and then Can
I Is that what he said?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
And another guy called Joe Solomon. Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
They they were they all worked together on this sugar
plantation in Port Morant, and there was a guy called
Clyde Walcott.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
A legendary batner from Barbados.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I think, one of the three ws who.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Looked after them, and so he was employed. How good
is this? So Clyde Walcott was employed by the local
Sugar Producers Association to be the cricket organizer for the
Port Morant sugar Plantation cricket team.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And he was amazing at the guys developed their own
technique and turn into these pridigious talents. So, yeah, a
really awesome story. And yeah, I guess where you get
to around this is it's incredible that the westerns is
just this train smashed together of lots of these extraordinary countries,
each of which have their own strengths and weaknesses and
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could probably and.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Have historically been teams in and of their own right.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And you wonder whether it's going to go back to
that as Western East Cricket teams to looks like it's
going to fragment.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Hey, and what.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
About this new Zealand team DC, who is actually going
to play? Have you got an eleven for us? And
have you got a I don't know a couple of things.
I'm conscious with Stevin Conway coming back here with thumb injury,
Fan Allen's got a back injury. Glen Phillips didn't play
in the IPL. Ken Williamston only played a couple. We've
got nine guys that have been in the pressure cooker
of the IPL, but they've got, as I mentioned, thirty
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to forty hours of travel, a big gap before the
first game.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
There's a few things to sort out that we haven't
sorted out.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
It seems the leaning heavily on experience. It's not a
I think I mentioned this last week when we had
a soft relaunch, but it's not a team that fills
me with a huge amount of anticipation or excitement. Actually,
I presume they will open with Allan and I think
Conway has to because he's unless they have a real
voulta Facha and decide that Glen Phillips is in fact
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a wiki keeper non lost, and I think Conway has
to wicked keep. Williamson clearly has to play, he has
to captain, so he's got to be in the top three.
So there, so Alan has to do a lot of
heavy lifting in that top three to get the scoring
rate after a stroke rade after a decent clip. I
think Mitchell probably bats four ahead of Chapman, and then
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they would have Phillips at five, and then I'm just
completely confused. I've gone for bracewooll Nesham, Santana, Sody, Ferguson Bolt.
But you can make an argument that Chapman could be
in there. You can make an argument that Henry should
be in there. You can make it certainly make an
argument that Sody shouldn't be in there. Revendra doesn't get
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a looking for me, but you know, personally I would
have him in there, but I don't know how you
can play him in the eleven with the way they
configure that squad. It's a real it's a bit of
a dog's Breakfast. For me. To be honest, I have
not really settled. I picked that eleven, but I'm really
unsettled about it, and you can talk me out of
it any which way you want.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, look, I've got to get I feel like Revenger
and Chapman are kind of battling for the same position,
so I've got them in a in a duel to
the death at that number six, and I'm going to
go for I would pick Revenger. I think they'll pick Chapman.
I think Chapman's got a He's been good over the
last twelve months for New Zealand so and did some
good things in Pakistan, so fair enough. I'm not sort
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of dying on a hell over that. Then I'm going
Nishan or Bracewell, and I'm going to pick Bracefel because
I think I just I'm reading the tea leaps from
from Gary stead Stain, there's a lock for me. I
think that they will pick Saudi. I'm not picking Sody
and I'm not picking Henry, and then it's Ferguson and
Bolt for me.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So okay, yeah, but yeah, just it does feel like
New Zealand does have a very interchangeable team.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
So when I went through and did my deafinits, that's
what I always do. First, I put in the ones
that will definitely there's no way they're going to miss out,
and I had Alan Komway Williamson and again it's not
a top three I particularly like, but just because of
the situation with the wicked keeper, it has to be that.
So had those three and then I went down to
Santana at a was as my next definite, and then
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ferguson a Bolt at ten and eleven, so they were
I had six definites. The rest that's just throwing stuff
in the air and depending on which way it lands,
you know.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
And frankly it should be good enough. That's the other
thing as well.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
You know, it's not like it's not like we're not
using between guys that are shockingly bad.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
It's actually an embarrassment of strength and away.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
But yeah, I think I think the one thing that
you would say that New Zealand is potentially missing is
just that absolutely blockbusting slogathon at the top. And yeah,
as you say, a lot of pressure on Allen.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
It's non embarrassment of strike great strength at the top
I think that is the Achilles heel of this team.
And you wonder when is it time to give Robinson
a fair crack at it or something like that, But
then a very good player has to miss out.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So and but Afghanistan, I guess a lot of pressure
on there, a lot of pressure, a lot of stock
put in there, a bit like Pakistani really on their openers, right,
Ibrahim Zadran Raman la Gerbars.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I mean they put one hundred and fifty four against Uganda.
That doesn't mean.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Anything, but you know that they are going to be
super hyper magnificently aggressive.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
They're great to watch.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
They go absolutely balls to the wall in terms of
that opening partnership. And then it's all about the old
dogs Rashid Khan and navinol Hark generally with the ball,
although as mentioned earlier, fuzzle Hart Faruki taking five to
nine against Uganda probably about a ninety percent discount on that,
but that feels like their main weapons.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Muji is Mujib playing he's I always seem to have
this little mild panic and anxiety about coming up against
Afghaniststan spinners. But unless I'm mistake, in New Zealand always
does well again against him, don't they. I don't. I
don't think they've tripped us up like they have other teams.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, I think that's right, and I think maybe you're
hearing some of that sort of weariness. You know, you
wouldn't say that as as you said, you know, New
Zealand are hardly going into this game supremely confident. So yeah,
I think they'll be doing there. They'll be doing their
homework as well. Afghanistan. You know their coach Jonathan Trump
obviously a smart fellow. And they've also got the guy
that you may have heard of, Dwayne Bravo, who was
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their bowling advisor. Obviously a bit of a hometown advantage
there for him, although not so sure how much help
he'll be providing to the spinners. But yes, hey we
should grab a quick break and then DC, I think
you've got a quiz for us and I'll bring us
back with a bit of cricket violence. Welcome back to
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the by C and DC, I understand you've got a
quiz question for us over between Guyana and New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah. I just wanted to stretch this Guyanese theme as
far as I possibly could, and look, if you can
name the test cricketer from Guyana who died in Hamilton,
New Zealand two years ago, the first person that pops
out into our in box, and Paul will give the
details to that and just a bit we'll get a
shout out next week and an optional Jason Hoyt Stripper
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Gram at your workplace. So you choose. You either get
a shout out on the BYC or hoiti in for
a stripper Gram. We have to check his available obviously,
but yeah, can you name the test cricketer from Guyana
who died in Hamilton, New Zealand in twenty twenty two?
Do you know the answer? Paul?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I think I actually do.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I'm not going to spoil it, and you know I
definitely want someone to win a Jason Hoyt Stripper Gram.
We may have to kidnap him sort of like scg
McGill and get him to that stripper Gram destination, but
that's a cable. We can do that for the team.
But yeah, flick us an email to BYC at Basebrigade
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getting back on the horse over the course of the
cricket Will Cup. It'll be fantastic to hear from our
loyal and non loyal listeners over the next few weeks.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Paul Forward's Cricket violence Corner. Well, this week we are
in Australia. It is official. Disgraced former cricketer Michael Slater's
name is being wipe from history in his home city.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
The Wogga Wogga City councilors have voted in favor of
changing the name of Michael Slater Oval. This honor for
the test batter was unveiled in twenty fourteen. Fellow Wogga
products and former international cricketers Mark Taylor and Jeff Lawson
also have Ovals named in their honor in Wogga Wogga,
colloquially dubbed the city is dubbed the City of Good
Sports for its history of producing top athletes. But Michael
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Slater Oval will be no more after councilors voted four
to three in favor of changing the name. Of course,
the fifty four year old was last month refused bailed
by our Sunshine Coast course at court as he faces
nineteen charges relating to domestic violence. I've got a couple
of nominations for the Oval, Sam Moran from the Wiggles,
so the I don't think anyone would be crossing that out.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Dame Edna Everidge, I'm not sure how open minded they are.
And Wogga Wogga, but she's from that neck of the woods.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
And this one speaking of crossovers between Australia and New Zealand,
what about Raylene the Castle Oval, I think that could
confuse enough Australians.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
She is a product of Wogga Wogga as well.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
So there we go a couple of suggestions from me
to fix Wogga Wogger DC over to you.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Really sad story there as she and I was reading
a couple of the comments from the counselors who voted
to retain the name, and it didn't give you a
lot of hope for Australia, for inland rural Australia, with
some of the thinking that went into some of the
defenses of Michael Stada. But anyway, we'll move right on.
I've got a little bit of correspondence. This one's from
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Simon Sherbert and it relates to last week's conversation about
the IPL and he said, Hey, Leaz, just wondering what
is to stop IPL owners buying into the Super Smash.
I think the biggest thing to stop them as not
for sale. But apart from that, pul forward, do you
have any thoughts off the top of your head.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
It's a really interesting one and I guess it's a
real dilemma that countries that currently have not engaged private
ownership into their T twenty franchises. I England, who are
obviously contemplating doing that it's about to happen. Australia are
in a well, there's lots of discussion about that becoming
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a thing for the Big Bash. Look, I think I
do wonder whether the market has been subtly tested and
there's kind of no interest.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I would imagine, you.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Know it potentially is I think that the primary issue
that we've that they've got at the moment is where
does the Super Smash.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
New Zealand's a complicated place to get to.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Time zone is terrible.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
The time zone is terrible and also now you've got
the added complexity of the New Zealand summer competing with
Major League Cricket in the United States and also the
South African competition. So you know, arguably you could say
it's quite a good idea. It's maybe the direction that
the world is turning, but maybe it has turned too
far for New Zealand to even contemplate doing that. You know,
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we've talked before on the b YC about maybe New
Zealand's place in the world around or the supersmashes place
in the world around that is to be a feeder
competition for one of the others feels more realistic unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
And that's where I think there is. That's the only
kind of realistic proposition is that you'd buy into the
New Zealand competition if you're using it as a development
vehicle for talent. Essentially, you're not buying it as a
broadcast vehicle because no one wants to watch even in India,
you're not watching cricket at that time of the day
because it's just such a dreadful time zone. So it
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would be a development because they simply can't get all
the young talent that they've got there enough game time
and again, where's the attraction for New Zealand and that
apart from, you know, a few million rupees coming in?
Do we want to turn the super smash into a
development vehicle a young Indian talent or other talent that
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they own from other countries that aren't getting game time
necessarily in the South African one or the IPL. It's
very complicated, but I'm and again that is why I
would love to see what New Zealand crickets strategy around
this globalization of T twenty cricketers and specifically towards the IPL,
because there is going to be massive change in this area.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I think the other thing that's in my head around this,
and it's not a fully formed thought, but you know,
and it's almost sort of potentially it's slightly humiliating the
New Zealand cricket to contemplate, but maybe our place in
the world around this is actually becoming a development league
for some of these teams and some of the players
that are actually going around on this World Cup who
aren't the superstars, and it's going to end up being afghanie, Ugandans,
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players from Oman Netherlands and that becomes New New Zealand
kind of calves out its place as a sort of
secondary part of a secondary world tour which has not
yet emerged, but eventually, as the IPL franchises take their
kind of Formula one tier of cricketers, including lots of
the big dogs from New Zealand as well, take them
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up onto these full time contracts to play all around
the world in a various different competitions for teams that
they own, there's going to be a bunch of players
who are left behind who either aspire to be in
that next tier or who are quite comfortable going around
the world playing cricket and getting paid decent money without
becoming squillionaires. And maybe realistically that's a more pragmatic place
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for New Zealand to end up in the cricketing universe.
I'm not sort of advocating for that, just being realistic.
And on that note, thanks for downloading and tuning into
the BYC.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
It's quite nice to be back. We will also be
back on Monday too, with some glee or some gloom.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
We'll be giving our hot take on the inaugural New
Zealand game versus the Misogynists of Afghanistan plus we'll be
reviewing and previewing the other matches of the tournament in
the meantime, feel free to get in touch over the
weekend by emailing at b y C at basebagade dot co,
dot m Z and go the Bloody Black Cats eleven
thirty am Saturday morning.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Come on
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