June 13, 2025 • 41 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Nathan Guy, Mike Petersen, Richie McCaw and Dame Valerie Adams, Ray Smith, and Shane Jones.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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I am good Morning New Zealand. I'm Jamie McKay. This
is the best of the country. It's brought to you
by Rabobank. We're growing a better New Zealand together. Well,
I spent most of the week at Mystery Crecket National
Field Days. You're going to hear a wee bit later
in the hour from Richie mccaugh, Dame Valerie Adams, Ray Smith,
Director General of MPI, and Shane Jones, the Prince of
the Provinces. But we're going to kick it off with
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a couple of interviews we did earlier in the week.
First one with Nathan Guy, chair of the Meat Industry Association,
of course, former Minister for Primary Industries and Mike Petterson.
Of course Mike as a former president of Beef and
Lamb New Zealand and also a former Special Agricultural Trade Envoid.
Look lots to get through today, will waste no time,
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straight into it with a Nathan Guy, Lass Sun.
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Rabobank, He's the chair of the Meat Industry Association. Former
Minister of Agriculture Horra Finowa Cowcocky, Nathan Guy and Nathan
no doubt will catch up at field days. Our paths
will cross. But I want to start with this one.
From a report out today, most New Zealand businesses surveyed
believe the United States tariff policies will have a much
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greater impact on them than COVID nineteen or the global
financial crisis. Meat, dairy and wine were seen as the
most vulnerable from tariffs. What do you make for that?
What do you make of that? Should I say?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Well, I'm not sure. It might be a bit like
these international scientists that were ganging up on New Zealand
that we weren't doing enough to solve the meat daine
issue last week, and I heard the PM just kick
for touch. This could be another one. My contacts in
the red meat industry are saying prices are still good,
pushing pretty hard to get it back into the customers
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and consumers having to pay rather than themselves. If you
look at meat company returns over the last twelve months,
they buy and large being sort of cigarette paper thin,
so they can't afford it. And the President's made the decisions,
which is basically going to drive up costs and inflation.
So meat companies are having a bit of an arm
wrestle in some cases with customers at the border. But
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they want our product and they'll end up paying for it.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, my information certainly would suggest that the Americans are
paying for it. And when it comes to the hamburger
beef that they so desperately need, they're almost happy to
pay it just to get it.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
That's right. I read an article when was a few
weeks back that the average US consumer has three burgers
a week. It's a shipload, isn't it. The other thing
is that our grinding beef is recession proof, so if
they do drop into recession as a result of these tariffs,
and who knows if they will, but it's going to
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have some impact. You know, hamburger patties and burgers are
a bit like a staple for us, but like milk
and cheese and bread and eggs and things. So I
think we're in a bit of a sweet spot. The
other thing is we just don't know what's going to
happen with the tariff war between the US and China.
That may have some upside for US in due course.
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We're just waiting to see how long.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Will these record meat prices last. Certainly for beef, it's
looking like they could be at least two or three years.
Great news.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
That's the feeling in the US, and that's why the
ten percent tariff is really going to just impact consumers
as opposed to our companies and the n Z. The
demand is very strong. Their herd rebuild is going to
take a while to occur. Worse culling as a result
of successive droughts for I don't know, fifty to seventy years,
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a hell of a long time. That can't bring those
numbers back overnight. So once again, I think we're looking
pretty good in the US. If we look at LAMB
in the UK and Europe, there is talk that they've
got a lack of supply over there, so once again,
that's quite an important sweet spot for US in a
high value market. So I think overall, not discounting Asia
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as well for fifth quarter and other growing markets, I
think we're looking pretty strong right now.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
We have some real though, capacity issues within the red
meat industry. We're seeing sheep numbers four. I'm going to
talk to Mike Peterson about this one. But Hawk's Bay
has lost more than two million sheep. They've gone from
five million to three million in the space of thirty years.
That's a huge drop in percentage terms.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yes, that's a real issue for meat companies across the board.
Too much capacity, competitive pricing at the moment to get
stock through their plants to make sure that they can
be efficient. Farmers are benefiting as a result of that,
and of course Alliance we're all just waiting to see
what happens there in due course with their decisions. It
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feels and sounds like suppliers aren't prepared to put their
hand in their pockets, so they're going to need to
look for some sternal investment. Or indeed it could come
from other meat companies in NZ, but who knows, wait
and see.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
So do you reckon Silver Firm Farms might have a
crack at the Alliance group.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I don't know, Jamie anymore than you'd be. There's rumors
flying around all over the place, but I really don't
listen to them and take any notice the Alliance board
or make the decision in due course and we'll wait
and see what do.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
You make a federated farmer's campaign. And I say good
on the FEDS for getting the billboards up in central
Wellington right across the road from the Beehive to Save
our Sheep campaign.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I'm following that with a bit of interest. I think
it's great politics at the grassroots level because trees have
had an impact on rural communities. When I was in Parliament,
I stood up on several occasions and said this policy
will hollow out rural communities. It's indeed done that. I'm
waiting for the government to make a decision. I think
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it's imminent on what they're going to do about the
forestry settings and land use changes and things. It does
feel a little bit like the horse has bolted over
the last few years, and of course that started under
the Ardurn government and this one has certainly been very
sympathetic to farmers and have made a lot of changes
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in regulations and environmental stuff already. And this is the
next big one that we're waiting for.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Should we be.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Enter out of Paris? I know what you're going to say.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
What do you think I'm going to say?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I think you're going to say, we've got to stay
in the Paris Agreement.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
That's exactly what I think in a personal level, and
also being a former Minister of Primary Industries and being
involved in the trade space, it's a no brainer. We've
got to stay in there because what are we One
hundred and ninety six other countries are in there and
it would cause us a huge amount of angst and
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legal consequences if we pulled out. I know, once again
the politics and this at the grassroots, everyone thinks, get
the hell out of it. But here's a number for
farmers to put in their back pocket. In the last year,
we exported one point seven billion dollars of red meat
to the EU and the UK, and they would be
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the two markets that would have a real crack at
us if we pulled out. We spend a lot of
time talking about non tariff barriers when we travel around
the world talking to countries that have these itches, and
once they're in place, they're hard to remove. So this
would be seen as a tariff barrier by New Zealand.
That doesn't make any economic sense. Ultimately it would cost
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a schedule on sheep meat and red meat into the
UK and the EU.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Nathan guy, thank you very much for your time. I'll
look forward to catching up with you for a coffee
or a bear or a burger. Who knows that Field Days.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
It better be a bear, Jamie. Because I see that
you've had another award winning recognition. I hope your pull
room at home is big enough for all of these
gongs that you keep getting. Congratulations on your long service
acknowledgment at the Radio Awards last week.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Well, well, it kind of has a farming connection. I
jokingly call it the about to be put out to
pasture Award. If you hang around for long enough, Nathan,
you get the chocolates. See you later, see a field Days.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Cheers mate, Bye.
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the country We've found out Man Mike Petterson, former chair
of Beef and Lamb New Zealand, former special New Zealand
Trade agg Envoid. Did I get that around the right way?
Mike and of course these days, Share of Scales one
of our biggest horticulture companies. Interesting story in Hawk's By
today your local paper, Mike, about the loss of sheep
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numbers and Hawk's Bay. You've gone from five million to
three million. Can we blame the pine trees?
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Well, cand Jamie, and always good to catch up with
you again. Look look in part. You could look at
it in recent times and say that, certainly pine trees
are having an impact, there's no doubt about that. But
we've got to remember that this is a region where
the Gimblet gravels used to farm sheep because of the
subsidies who were being paid to farmers at the time,
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back in the eighties. So there have been a range
of reasons why sheep numbers have declined in Hawk's Bay.
The growing wine industry, there's been many other horticulture and
cropping opportunities, and of course there's been urbanization as well,
with people building lifestyle blocks because it's a great place
to live. So pine trees are not the sole reason
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at all, And in fact, even though they're the most
recent visual thing that we can see, Lendu's change has
been happening for a long time.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
So you reckon or was it that business desk story
you sent to me quoting the forest station if you want,
of regions like Hawks Bay, no worse than it was
twenty years ago. Why does it seem much worse? It
seems much worse to me.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Oh, look, we're seeing properties that would not normally have
been in pine trees being planted in pine trees, and
it's very visual and it's quite confronting for people. I
fully understand that, and certainly places out this way, like
Wallingford Station that was always seen as an iconic sheep
and beef farming property was planted in pine trees. That's
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one example. But the issue for me still, Jamie, is
it actually, when you look at the numbers, and Business
Desks quotes them very well, there are no more hectores
planted than pine trees today than there were in the
two thousand and two. So in the last twenty to
twenty five years the amount of land and forestry in
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New Zealand has not changed. And so yes, it's particularly
graphic in some regions, but on a nationwide basis it
actually has.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, but Mike, we're planting it in places we wouldn't
have planted it in two thousand and two and we're
talking and this is the I think this is the
criminal part of it. The blanket planting of some of
these farms fair enough to do some of the back country,
maybe some of the south facing country. I don't know,
but when you've got good flat land that should be
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producing food, growing pine trees, and I think it's a crime.
And the other thing is and you'll probably disagree with
me on this one as well. Isn't there an element
of spray and walk away to this?
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Oh? No, Offirstly, Just to be clear, I don't supplant
for planning productive farmland and pine trees, and in fact,
on our property here, you know, we planted twenty percent
of the farm, but it was all a native, So
you know, I mean, you know, I'm pretty happy with
what we're doing here. There's no doubt about that, look,
I think, though there's a question mark about the spray
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walk away. And I'm not here to defend the carbon foresters,
even though I'm involved in advising some of these firms.
But you know, we are a company, and the firms
I'm involved with that don't plant productive land and pine trees,
and so you know that to me is the right
approach and we should have a mosaic approach. I'm one
hundred percent on board with that, Jamie, and that would
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be a preferred approach from my point of view.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Do you think the government legislation which is due to
come into place a bit later this year will effectively
level out the playing field there?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Well.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
The change is that the government made about the amount
of land that can be register in these years took
place from December last year, so it is going to
have an impact, There's no doubt about that, Jamie. But
one thing I think you won't stop is you won't
stop demand from some people wanting to change land use
and plant pine trees for whatever the reason. And it
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may be that a combination of forestry and carbon is
the most profitable use of that land. And I firmly
in the camp where I don't want the government telling
me what I can and can't do with my own land,
and I don't think landowners should be stopped from doing that.
So once you start putting restrictions in place, once you
start looking to the government to decide where and what
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to do with your farm land, then we're on a
really slippery slope.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
One more question on this before I move on to
horticulture and water in Hawks Bay. Do you think there's
a danger, Yes, forestry for production, excellent logs, export them.
But is there a danger in twenty or thirty years
time that these carbon credits won't even exist?
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Well, at some stage, Jamie, the price of carbon's going
to be zero, that's what that's like. That's all likelihood
of that happening. That'll be in ten years or thirty
years or fifty years. But carbon credits are a transition
to a lower mission's economy, and we could all question
about whether the pace of that change has slowed down
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in recent times or not. But I think the general
trend is clear, and that we will be trying to
produce things more efficiently with technologies and energy sources are
going to be more carbon efficient. So yes, the price
of carbon will be zero one day, and so some
people may hold assets that are actually worth serah, But
that's not my call to make it this time.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Probably won't be your problem in twenty or thirty years
time either. Mic I shouldn't say that Toki Tooki water project.
We saw Ruatana for fallover. Is this one going to
go in Hawk spay and lower central Hawk spay where
your base because this would transform the landscape.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Well, it certainly would. I mean the region Hawks Bay
is a region unfortunately is running dry, and so we
need to face up to the reality that of all
the rivers that flow to the sea, there's about seven
point two BILLIONT cubes of water flows to the sea
out of the rivers of Hawks Bay each year, and
we kept a pretty much zero amount of that. We're
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looking to hold up one point four percent in this
Tiktoki Water Security Project storage dan one point four percent
of that total water that runs through the sea and
let it go when people are short. We think it
makes perfect sense. Frankly, water storage is not the silver bullet.
It's not the only answer, Jamie. But I tell you what,
water storage has to be part of the solution for
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this part of the world. If you want to see
more jobs, high value food production and processing and extebit
environmental outcomps.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Oh, it's a damn fine solution. If you ask me,
no pun intended. Will that land all go to horticulture.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
By the way, more than likely, Jamie, because when you
look at the opportunities for permanent horticulture we've got Wattes
and mccaines in this part of the world, so vegetable
and fruit production or high value seed production, which we're
also trying to do here in Hawkspay. The reality is
that no one here can do that stuff now with
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any degree of certainty because they can't get access to
any water. The catchments are fully allocated, and in fact,
in the Heretongua you've actually got the amount of water
that is allocated being cut back by about thirty to
forty percent in some cases, which makes it impossible.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Good on you, Mike Peterson, Thanks for your time. I'll
see you at Field Days.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Thanks Jamie, look forward to it.
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Good Morning New Zealand. I'm Jamie Mackay. You're listening to
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We're growing a better New Zealand together, really enjoyed some
of the company from the team at Rabobank during field days.
We were there on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, so I
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picked out my favorite interviews from each of those days.
You're going to hear from them very shortly. On Wednesday
it was Richie McCaw and Dame Valerie Adams, Toyota brand Guardians.
On Friday it was of course the Prince of the Province's.
Thursday was Ray Smith, Director General of MPI with the
annual Situation and Outlook Report and ge There was some
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great numbers there. Our primary sector exports are worth fifty
nine point nine billion dollars, dairy making up twenty seven
billion dollars of that. What a great week it was
for farming at Mystery Creek. Hey, before I forget Rabobank
talking about Rabobank. Entries are open for the Rabobank Good
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Deeds Competition. Rural community groups are encouraged to submit their
projects for consideration via the rabobank website rabobank dot co
dot nz. The winning community group will receive a day's
dedicated days of a day should I say of hands
on support from the rabobank team, one of us might
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turn up as well as well as five thousand dollars
cash to bring their project to life. Rabobank dot co
dot Nz to apply for the Rabobank Good Deeds competition
for your rural community project also next week, and I
caught up with her briefly for a good yarn at
the Rabobank site. Emma Higgins, their senior dairy analyst, cover
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off Rabobank's latest dairy quarterly report that'll be out next
week but up next from day one of field Day's Wednesday.
Richie mccare and Dame Valerie Adams me.
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Rabobank to need no introduction, Dame Valerie Adams and he
should be Sir Richie McCaw but he turned it down.
Maybe he will be awey bit later. But I went
to you're both Toyota brand guardians. Dame Valerie has been
for a while, Richie, you were announced as one this morning.
Welcome to the fold.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
Yeah, it's exciting to be involved. There's obviously pretty exciting
with obviously the relationship with New ger Rugby as well.
And yeah, just stick to be on board and come
along with the field days the first time.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
And first day on the tools. You've got to turn
up at Toyota and go into a strength competition with
one of It was with one of the strongest athletes
New Zealand has ever produced, Dame Valerie Adams. And I
was there and you are a machine. You destroyed an
All Black legend.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
Well I had to beat him at something, right, I mean,
you know the woman power amongst us, this is pretty unique.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
You still look in remarkable shape. What are you doing
athletically now that you're retired from competitive shot putting.
Speaker 8 (20:09):
I probably trained like a normal person now I don't
have to carry as much muscle And thank you so
much for the compliments. Keep it coming, though, keep it
coming coming.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Well, Richie. I would worry about you if you were
playing for the All Blacks now because you'd pick up
the ball and someone would blow you over. There's not
much of you these days, because I know you're doing
the endurance sport.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Yeah, yeah, well I much fear you say that then
that no one would be able to move you because
you go one or two ways and your finish. But yeah,
I enjoy the challenge of that, and it's really just
to make sure you don't stop. You know, as soon
as you stop, the old injury start to get you
and you start to creak. So I sort of figured
if you keep moving, hopefully you can keep doing it
for a while.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
What amazes me about you especially is the number of
knocks you took in your all black career when you
were prone over the ball. You were great at that,
but if you were a target for every person out there,
how do you knees sustain what you do?
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Ah?
Speaker 7 (21:03):
I got lucky, probably like I didn't have any major injuries,
which is probably just a bit of luck. There're certainly
we're in tier though I tweaked the knee a couple
of years ago, got a skin. Honest, you might a
pretty good, aren't they. And the guy looked at me,
he said, there's a bet of weir in tier there, so,
but you'd expect that after a few years of doing that.
But just lucky, I can still run and all that
sort of stuff, and hopefully that carries on.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Dame Vererie, as I said, you're looking a million bucks.
You're very you look very fit and trim. Don't know
it's compliment.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Well, deserved was fat before?
Speaker 9 (21:31):
Well no, you were bigger, same same but no, no, no,
but you had to be for your sport like he
was bigger. So what are you so any any body
issues for you in terms of knees, joints?
Speaker 8 (21:44):
I mean, yeah, so I was a little bit unlucky.
I've had eight surgery sports related so knees, ankle's, shoulders.
But that's just the aim of the game, right You're
always training at at your limit every time, trying to
gain that sendime over and over again. After twenty five
years of the sport, my aim was to actually still
walk and one day hopefully carry my grandkids. So I
can still do that. And obviously, as you say, i'm
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looking the million bucks.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You are indeed now you also, Dame Valerie, look a
million bucks and your hybrid Highlander.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
How do you like it?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Oh? Absolutely love it.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
It's a great family car. I'm not trying to sell
you the car, by the way, but I've been very
fortunate and very humbled by the fact that Herd has
been by my side for a very very long time
over ten years, and they've been able to support me
throughout my journey as an athlete. But also now as
a moment, ongoing work within a community and within schools
and things like that.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You do a wonderful job. And Richie just finishing with you.
You are the new owner or the caretaker of a
brand new land cruiser.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it. So yeah, and that's
one of those ones. I grew up on the farm
when we were young, had a little red Twitter high
Lux and so it's sort of always been. You know,
when you have one of those on the farm, you
do I'm pretty good. So you had to get a
chance to have a land cruiser. Pretty state you get
from it.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Called me Dame Valerie Adams and Richie McCaw on day
one of the field days for us Wednesday. Of course,
this is the best of the country. I'm Jamie mckaye.
Up next more field days action On Thursday. We spoke
to Ray Smith, the Director General of MPI, the sixty
billion dollar man, and we wrap it with the Prince
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of the Province's Shane Jones over.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Georgia Park and that's all the best of the country.
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Speaker 3 (23:35):
Rubber Bank he's the Director General of MPI. His name
is Ray Smith, and Ray, I'm going to say to you,
God only knows what we would do without the primary sector.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Do you like what I did there?
Speaker 10 (23:46):
Well, actually, Jamie has some pretty good vibrations in the
primary sector. Actually, right at the moment, what an absolute
blockbuster announcement. We've got nearly sixty billion dollars in export innings,
three billion dollars more than we could have cast a
twelve percent growth rate, and almost across all categories of
the primary sectors.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
So look, I think a lot of.
Speaker 10 (24:06):
Growers, producers, farmers, big processing companies, people working in market think,
if you're really proud to be a key today knowing
that the world wants our products.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Hey, when I was a kid growing up, there was
a program on TV. We're doing nostalgia here are called
the six million dollar Man. I really wanted to call
you the sixty billion dollar man, but you just came
up short.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
Look, we really pushed our economists there to try and
find that last little bit.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
So look, you know, if we could have just.
Speaker 10 (24:36):
Got a little bit more out of the wine industry,
we would have been Okay, Mean, they've had a bit
of a tough year to be far to them.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
But look everyone, look, once.
Speaker 10 (24:42):
We get to the final ficuse, you never know, we
might just get across that sixty billion dollar line.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Well, god on you.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
So fifty nine point nine billion for the year end
of June thirty, twenty twenty five. Here's an interesting number.
Sixty five point seven billion by twenty twenty nine, that
is four years away. Now the government has ordered you,
right as a government servant, a servant to double export
primary sector exports in a decade. You're going to have
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to do a bit better than that.
Speaker 10 (25:10):
Yeah, well, look I think we've got to try and
raise it up to one hundred and six billion by
twenty thirty four. So we're looking about another twenty five
percent lift and performance across.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
That period of time.
Speaker 10 (25:21):
But if you think about it, another two billion people
are going to join the world between now and twenty fifty.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
New Zealand has a temperate climate.
Speaker 10 (25:29):
You know, climate change will affect everyone, but it will
affect us less than almost everybody else. We're going to
have great growing conditions. And look, I think the world's
going to want our products. More of the countries, the
sort of middle income un in countries, their wealth is growing,
they want to eat the things they want to consume
the things that we produce. I'm very confident that the
way New Zealand produces protein and amazing fruit products. You know,
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even if you get down to wool, you know, Wolve's
on a bit of a resurgence and if you hear
it field days, you want to get down and have
a look at the woll site because there's just so
many more things we can do with New Zealand's natural products.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
We're going to be talking to Miles Hurrald, chief executive
of Fonterra, and just a tick. They're doing a lot
of the heavy lifting the dairy industry. Of that sixty
billion twenty seven billion, nearly half of it belongs to
the dairy sector. And I we're going to talk to
Miles about that one. But I put it to you,
if you're to double these exports in the next decade,
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I think you're going to have to look to horticulture.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Well.
Speaker 10 (26:26):
I think what New Zealand will do is it'll do
more of what it's best in the world at. And
what New Zealand's best in the world at is growing protein.
So you know, we've got amongst the best farming capabilities
in the world. We've got a climate in Swirls that
are amazing for growing product. So I think we'll do
more dairy farming. I think we'll do more she can
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beef farming. I think we'll grow horticulture. If you look
at kiwifruit, it's now nearly four billion dollars, it's grown
by a billion dollars in a year. That's phenomenal growth.
But you know, you see twelve percent growth and dairy
product just sixteen percent just in one year. The world
wants those products will keep growing in the things that
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we're best in the world out jamming.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Now, therey's been number one for quite a while. Meat
and wall mainly meat, let's be honest, has been a
solid number two. Horticulture and forestry used to be dead
even at third equal. Horticulture has stolen a jump on forestry.
But it was good to see forestry jumping back nine
percent to be up to six point three billion, because
it's been tough for that industry.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Yeah, it's been pretty hard in the forestry sector. I
mean forestry.
Speaker 10 (27:32):
You know, fifty two percent of all of our kind
of forestry, wood process products go into China, into that
China market. So we're very dependent on what's happening in
the China market. And we know that building and construction
has been flat there as they've looked to kind of
stimulate the economy. Now we've sent a bit of a
lift in finished wood products just over a billion dollars
and actually that's been helped by Pan Pack getting its
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millback up and running in the Hawk's Bay following the
big cyclone.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Interesting of all the slow you showed it your wonderful
presentation there this morning to the industry. Our export markets,
China still dominates. We're sending thirty one percent of what
we export to China. The United States has taken over
a second, Australia's third, just ahead of the EU. It's
not that long ago that Australia was number one.
Speaker 10 (28:20):
Well that's right, but that free trade agreement that was
signed up with China some years back now has really
unleashed the huge potential of New Zealand's growers to get
into a market that's.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Really now very mature.
Speaker 10 (28:33):
Our relationships and look, I when I was in China
just a month or so ago, my relationships with my
counterpart agencies in China is very warm. We can work
through all sorts of market access issues together. The logistics
of trading between New Zealand and China are well established.
Our companies have huge representation in China. I mean, I
think Fonterra has something like seven hundred people based in China.
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I know Silfirn and other companies have a large presence
in China. So it's a really critical market to us.
And we we have a particular trade architecture with China
which I think will guarantee that you'll see products going
here and us getting good returns off them for many
years to come.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Ray Smith, Director General of MPI. On Thursday show at
Mystery Creek, what a great result for the New Zealand
economy worth nearly sixty billion dollars our primary exports go,
you farmers, go, you good things out there. We're going
to wrap it. On yesterday's show he kicked it off
and he had he had the meeting out of his
hands at Mystery Creek. It's the Prince of the Province's
(29:33):
Shane Jones and all his pomp from Field days.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Woods fell in love.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
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Speaker 1 (29:39):
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Speaker 3 (29:47):
He's my favorite politician of the day. At the moment.
The Prince of the Province's Shane Jones. I have come
bearing gifts from Open Country Cheese. They want to bribe you,
Shane with a block of cheese. That's gold. Hey, folks,
good to be back.
Speaker 11 (30:00):
I'm going to tell you that people would probably want
me to have Swiss cheese full of holes. I fear
I might have to declare this, but there's a reason
that I'm one hundred and eighty in cages and it's
probably too much carb and probably too much cheese and
the wrong sort of tucker.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
But good to be here.
Speaker 11 (30:19):
I myself, as you know, born and bred on a
farm and have never forgotten the foundational influences of farm life.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Did you plant a whole lot of pine trees on
your own farm? Ah? Too much course in the far North. Look,
I don't know why I have.
Speaker 11 (30:34):
To be reminded at this particular mystery Creek event of
the billion tree strategy. It was a great idea in
its time, Right tree, right place. I've actually just met
with the FEDS and they said, the last time we
had you here, Shane Jones, we wanted to punch you
in the nose. I said, Oh, that's now the Greenies,
not the farmers.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Oh that looks like that other. It sounds like that other.
Great New Zealand First idea to put your cinderin. Ah.
Speaker 11 (31:00):
I love talking to Jamie because it gives me a
chance to tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
And twenty twenty why did.
Speaker 11 (31:08):
All the farmers' wives vote for Jacinda and throw Winston
and Shane on the scrap heap?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
But wait, we're back twenty twenty six.
Speaker 11 (31:16):
You can redeem yourselves.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Now I'm looking talking about federated Farmers. And I just
found this one this morning trolling through the net chain.
They commissioned their own political poll in the week following
the budget and not well, I guess, not surprisingly because
they're swarming around here National fifty four Act nineteen, New
Zealand First eight and then Labour, Greens and to Party
(31:40):
Maury barely registering. But the surprise number for me, in
all seriousness, was that New Zealand First is only rating
at eight percent with the farmers. Because to be fair
to you and I see your good man over there,
Mark Patterson. You're doing a good job or you certainly
have the farmer's backs.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (31:57):
Well, we're halfway through the cycle and our appeal to
the farmers is a little bit like my political career.
We're late bloomers. So I wait until August September next
year and the farmers will realize that they need a
dependable backbone in politics. Winston and our party represent that
opportunity because the other side of politics, there's a reason
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why labor is at three percent in that pole. But
don't for a moment think that one pole reflects all
of the electoral outcomes.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Information out yesterday or this morning from Beef and Lamb
who are just behind us here at Mystery Creek research
carried out on basically carbon farm and close to forty
thousand I know you don't want me to go on
about trees, but you've got to face this one show.
Close to forty thousand hectares of sheep and beef farms
have been sold four forestries since September of last year.
(32:50):
And I know that Luxeon Chrystph Luxon made the announcement
at the Southern Field days or down at the Southern
Field Days site in December, but the onslaught of the
pine trees hasn't stopped.
Speaker 11 (33:02):
Well, look, the PMS made his decision and the way
to I guess moderate the development of carbon forestry is
to restrict who can actually register a forest.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
With the ETS.
Speaker 11 (33:16):
And that's it the heart of what Minister Todd has
been promoting. But our colleague, who provides a lot of
direction to our party, Mark Patterson, has said, don't completely
throw the etes out, but look at refining it and
narrowing its application so we don't worsen the situation, and
we don't want to worsen the situation with cockies. But hey,
(33:38):
all you farmers, I got to tell you, if I
was to stop you selling your land, you would say,
Shane Jones, you're a communist. No, I'm not the communist.
That's Chloe in the other crowd. So you've got to
bear in mind if you want property rights, you want
the ability to do what you feel is appropriate for
your land, then weigh up all those decisions. But the
ability to plaster the landscape and pine trees for carbon purposes,
(34:02):
as you well know, as the Prime Minister has articulated,
has reached its high point.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Should we be going Should we be allowing one hundred
percent offsetting very few other countries? Are we the only
country that does it?
Speaker 11 (34:15):
While you're really raising a deeper question, which is what
we're taking to the next election. Why are the food
industries of New Zealand subject to this un driven set
of climate obligations. We're taking remits to our party conference
in September and if we can get our party members
to accept that food industry should be exempt from the
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Paris Accord, then we'll be able to take that forward
as a key part of our manifesto and God willing
contribute that to the formation of a future government if
we get enough folks on the center right side.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
So basically you and Winston just want us out of Paris,
right well.
Speaker 11 (34:53):
Winston's the Foreign Minister, and Paris Accord is a part
of foreign policy. And as great line to me as
when talking about foreign affairs, Shane Jones, Yes, stick to
your lane and less it's more. And as he flew
out to Paris and to Nice and as he goes
to other places New York and such famous sites of
great influence, he says, Shane, I'm going to New York
(35:15):
and you're going to mournure.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
So there's the where the real power lies.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
To be fair to you, You've just come back this
week from Singapore. What was on over there.
Speaker 11 (35:25):
Our large conference where we were promoting investment to rebbe
reinvigorate the gas industry. Without gas, will be condemned to
use Indonesian coal. I got nothing against the Indonesians. We
should be digging up our own coal. And my message
to the dairy farming producers and processes stop this mad
(35:47):
drive flight towards demonizing the coal industry. We are going
to need all options, including gas and coal well towards
twenty to fifty. And this unicor kissing fairytale territory that
somehow wind and solar is going to save New Zealand,
and New Zealand single handedly can save the planet from
(36:08):
the climate cultism.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
That's not the state of New Zealand first beliefs. Well
there you go. He's getting a big hand from the
crowd here AT's Mystery Creek. Just finally, August the twenty second,
to a poke the rugby club. You and I are
doing a fundraiser together. Ah yes, and we're going to
let you off the chain Chatham House Rules, how good
(36:31):
will that be if you're anywhere NaN's a pookey ah.
Speaker 11 (36:34):
Chatham House Rules didn't work too good for phil goth
so I kind of regard most of what I have
to say. It's going to make its way to the
front page of the paper. But look, it's really important
for politicians who like to promote personality, and of course
Mark Patterson will say shang promote ego. There's a difference
between the feckless South and the reckless North or was
(36:57):
it the other way around. I've got my colleagues, Mark
and Andy and the audience, and it's good to be
here as a team, and it's really good also to
go out and support fundraising activities. And Jenny, Jenny is
constantly making sure that I don't make a fool of
myself in parliament. Jenny, Markroff, you haven't begun to make
an impression as of yet. But Jenny also has been
(37:21):
fighting a fight Jamie against the Auckland City Council for
the for the over development of property and the destruction
of our marine farming industry. So it's not only terrestrial farming.
I'm also a champion for marine farming I'll be there
at Tippuke. I was a rugby player, but as my
father said, Shane, you were born with a dictionary in
(37:43):
your mouth and it didn't stop when it went on
the rugby field.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Sadly, ladies and gentlemen, Shane Jones, thank you very much
for your time. Enjoyed the cheese from Open Country, Their.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
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Speaker 5 (38:01):
You knew all I'm a jig fry.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
How good was that? Shane Jones Martuur Shane Jones, the
Prince of the Provinces, had the meeting out of his
hands at Mystery Creek yesterday. Right, I'm out of here.
I'm going home to lick my wounds. It's been a
very very busy week and a week that's been dominated
by some great farming stories. Our primary sector exports worth
(38:24):
nearly sixty billion dollars to the New Zealand economy. Where
would we be without the farmers. We'd be bugged. That's
where we'd be.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Got to go.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I'll catch you again, same time, same place, next Saturday.
Thanks to Rabobank for making this show possible.
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Speaker 3 (00:17):
I am good Morning New Zealand. I'm Jamie McKay. This
is the best of the country. It's brought to you
by Rabobank. We're growing a better New Zealand together. Well,
I spent most of the week at Mystery Crecket National
Field Days. You're going to hear a wee bit later
in the hour from Richie mccaugh, Dame Valerie Adams, Ray Smith,
Director General of MPI, and Shane Jones, the Prince of
the Provinces. But we're going to kick it off with
(00:38):
a couple of interviews we did earlier in the week.
First one with Nathan Guy, chair of the Meat Industry Association,
of course, former Minister for Primary Industries and Mike Petterson.
Of course Mike as a former president of Beef and
Lamb New Zealand and also a former Special Agricultural Trade Envoid.
Look lots to get through today, will waste no time,
(00:59):
straight into it with a Nathan Guy, Lass Sun.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
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Speaker 3 (01:12):
Rabobank, He's the chair of the Meat Industry Association. Former
Minister of Agriculture Horra Finowa Cowcocky, Nathan Guy and Nathan
no doubt will catch up at field days. Our paths
will cross. But I want to start with this one.
From a report out today, most New Zealand businesses surveyed
believe the United States tariff policies will have a much
(01:35):
greater impact on them than COVID nineteen or the global
financial crisis. Meat, dairy and wine were seen as the
most vulnerable from tariffs. What do you make for that?
What do you make of that? Should I say?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Well, I'm not sure. It might be a bit like
these international scientists that were ganging up on New Zealand
that we weren't doing enough to solve the meat daine
issue last week, and I heard the PM just kick
for touch. This could be another one. My contacts in
the red meat industry are saying prices are still good,
pushing pretty hard to get it back into the customers
(02:13):
and consumers having to pay rather than themselves. If you
look at meat company returns over the last twelve months,
they buy and large being sort of cigarette paper thin,
so they can't afford it. And the President's made the decisions,
which is basically going to drive up costs and inflation.
So meat companies are having a bit of an arm
wrestle in some cases with customers at the border. But
(02:36):
they want our product and they'll end up paying for it.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, my information certainly would suggest that the Americans are
paying for it. And when it comes to the hamburger
beef that they so desperately need, they're almost happy to
pay it just to get it.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
That's right. I read an article when was a few
weeks back that the average US consumer has three burgers
a week. It's a shipload, isn't it. The other thing
is that our grinding beef is recession proof, so if
they do drop into recession as a result of these tariffs,
and who knows if they will, but it's going to
(03:12):
have some impact. You know, hamburger patties and burgers are
a bit like a staple for us, but like milk
and cheese and bread and eggs and things. So I
think we're in a bit of a sweet spot. The
other thing is we just don't know what's going to
happen with the tariff war between the US and China.
That may have some upside for US in due course.
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We're just waiting to see how long.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Will these record meat prices last. Certainly for beef, it's
looking like they could be at least two or three years.
Great news.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
That's the feeling in the US, and that's why the
ten percent tariff is really going to just impact consumers
as opposed to our companies and the n Z. The
demand is very strong. Their herd rebuild is going to
take a while to occur. Worse culling as a result
of successive droughts for I don't know, fifty to seventy years,
(04:02):
a hell of a long time. That can't bring those
numbers back overnight. So once again, I think we're looking
pretty good in the US. If we look at LAMB
in the UK and Europe, there is talk that they've
got a lack of supply over there, so once again,
that's quite an important sweet spot for US in a
high value market. So I think overall, not discounting Asia
(04:28):
as well for fifth quarter and other growing markets, I
think we're looking pretty strong right now.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
We have some real though, capacity issues within the red
meat industry. We're seeing sheep numbers four. I'm going to
talk to Mike Peterson about this one. But Hawk's Bay
has lost more than two million sheep. They've gone from
five million to three million in the space of thirty years.
That's a huge drop in percentage terms.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yes, that's a real issue for meat companies across the board.
Too much capacity, competitive pricing at the moment to get
stock through their plants to make sure that they can
be efficient. Farmers are benefiting as a result of that,
and of course Alliance we're all just waiting to see
what happens there in due course with their decisions. It
(05:17):
feels and sounds like suppliers aren't prepared to put their
hand in their pockets, so they're going to need to
look for some sternal investment. Or indeed it could come
from other meat companies in NZ, but who knows, wait
and see.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
So do you reckon Silver Firm Farms might have a
crack at the Alliance group.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I don't know, Jamie anymore than you'd be. There's rumors
flying around all over the place, but I really don't
listen to them and take any notice the Alliance board
or make the decision in due course and we'll wait
and see what do.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
You make a federated farmer's campaign. And I say good
on the FEDS for getting the billboards up in central
Wellington right across the road from the Beehive to Save
our Sheep campaign.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I'm following that with a bit of interest. I think
it's great politics at the grassroots level because trees have
had an impact on rural communities. When I was in Parliament,
I stood up on several occasions and said this policy
will hollow out rural communities. It's indeed done that. I'm
waiting for the government to make a decision. I think
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it's imminent on what they're going to do about the
forestry settings and land use changes and things. It does
feel a little bit like the horse has bolted over
the last few years, and of course that started under
the Ardurn government and this one has certainly been very
sympathetic to farmers and have made a lot of changes
(06:42):
in regulations and environmental stuff already. And this is the
next big one that we're waiting for.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Should we be.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Enter out of Paris? I know what you're going to say.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
What do you think I'm going to say?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I think you're going to say, we've got to stay
in the Paris Agreement.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
That's exactly what I think in a personal level, and
also being a former Minister of Primary Industries and being
involved in the trade space, it's a no brainer. We've
got to stay in there because what are we One
hundred and ninety six other countries are in there and
it would cause us a huge amount of angst and
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legal consequences if we pulled out. I know, once again
the politics and this at the grassroots, everyone thinks, get
the hell out of it. But here's a number for
farmers to put in their back pocket. In the last year,
we exported one point seven billion dollars of red meat
to the EU and the UK, and they would be
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the two markets that would have a real crack at
us if we pulled out. We spend a lot of
time talking about non tariff barriers when we travel around
the world talking to countries that have these itches, and
once they're in place, they're hard to remove. So this
would be seen as a tariff barrier by New Zealand.
That doesn't make any economic sense. Ultimately it would cost
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a schedule on sheep meat and red meat into the
UK and the EU.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Nathan guy, thank you very much for your time. I'll
look forward to catching up with you for a coffee
or a bear or a burger. Who knows that Field Days.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
It better be a bear, Jamie. Because I see that
you've had another award winning recognition. I hope your pull
room at home is big enough for all of these
gongs that you keep getting. Congratulations on your long service
acknowledgment at the Radio Awards last week.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Well, well, it kind of has a farming connection. I
jokingly call it the about to be put out to
pasture Award. If you hang around for long enough, Nathan,
you get the chocolates. See you later, see a field Days.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Cheers mate, Bye.
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Trade agg Envoid. Did I get that around the right way?
Mike and of course these days, Share of Scales one
of our biggest horticulture companies. Interesting story in Hawk's By
today your local paper, Mike, about the loss of sheep
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numbers and Hawk's Bay. You've gone from five million to
three million. Can we blame the pine trees?
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Well, cand Jamie, and always good to catch up with
you again. Look look in part. You could look at
it in recent times and say that, certainly pine trees
are having an impact, there's no doubt about that. But
we've got to remember that this is a region where
the Gimblet gravels used to farm sheep because of the
subsidies who were being paid to farmers at the time,
(09:46):
back in the eighties. So there have been a range
of reasons why sheep numbers have declined in Hawk's Bay.
The growing wine industry, there's been many other horticulture and
cropping opportunities, and of course there's been urbanization as well,
with people building lifestyle blocks because it's a great place
to live. So pine trees are not the sole reason
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at all, And in fact, even though they're the most
recent visual thing that we can see, Lendu's change has
been happening for a long time.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
So you reckon or was it that business desk story
you sent to me quoting the forest station if you want,
of regions like Hawks Bay, no worse than it was
twenty years ago. Why does it seem much worse? It
seems much worse to me.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Oh, look, we're seeing properties that would not normally have
been in pine trees being planted in pine trees, and
it's very visual and it's quite confronting for people. I
fully understand that, and certainly places out this way, like
Wallingford Station that was always seen as an iconic sheep
and beef farming property was planted in pine trees. That's
(10:54):
one example. But the issue for me still, Jamie, is
it actually, when you look at the numbers, and Business
Desks quotes them very well, there are no more hectores
planted than pine trees today than there were in the
two thousand and two. So in the last twenty to
twenty five years the amount of land and forestry in
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New Zealand has not changed. And so yes, it's particularly
graphic in some regions, but on a nationwide basis it
actually has.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, but Mike, we're planting it in places we wouldn't
have planted it in two thousand and two and we're
talking and this is the I think this is the
criminal part of it. The blanket planting of some of
these farms fair enough to do some of the back country,
maybe some of the south facing country. I don't know,
but when you've got good flat land that should be
(11:43):
producing food, growing pine trees, and I think it's a crime.
And the other thing is and you'll probably disagree with
me on this one as well. Isn't there an element
of spray and walk away to this?
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Oh? No, Offirstly, Just to be clear, I don't supplant
for planning productive farmland and pine trees, and in fact,
on our property here, you know, we planted twenty percent
of the farm, but it was all a native, So
you know, I mean, you know, I'm pretty happy with
what we're doing here. There's no doubt about that, look,
I think, though there's a question mark about the spray
(12:16):
walk away. And I'm not here to defend the carbon foresters,
even though I'm involved in advising some of these firms.
But you know, we are a company, and the firms
I'm involved with that don't plant productive land and pine trees,
and so you know that to me is the right
approach and we should have a mosaic approach. I'm one
hundred percent on board with that, Jamie, and that would
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be a preferred approach from my point of view.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Do you think the government legislation which is due to
come into place a bit later this year will effectively
level out the playing field there?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Well.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
The change is that the government made about the amount
of land that can be register in these years took
place from December last year, so it is going to
have an impact, There's no doubt about that, Jamie. But
one thing I think you won't stop is you won't
stop demand from some people wanting to change land use
and plant pine trees for whatever the reason. And it
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may be that a combination of forestry and carbon is
the most profitable use of that land. And I firmly
in the camp where I don't want the government telling
me what I can and can't do with my own land,
and I don't think landowners should be stopped from doing that.
So once you start putting restrictions in place, once you
start looking to the government to decide where and what
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to do with your farm land, then we're on a
really slippery slope.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
One more question on this before I move on to
horticulture and water in Hawks Bay. Do you think there's
a danger, Yes, forestry for production, excellent logs, export them.
But is there a danger in twenty or thirty years
time that these carbon credits won't even exist?
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Well, at some stage, Jamie, the price of carbon's going
to be zero, that's what that's like. That's all likelihood
of that happening. That'll be in ten years or thirty
years or fifty years. But carbon credits are a transition
to a lower mission's economy, and we could all question
about whether the pace of that change has slowed down
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in recent times or not. But I think the general
trend is clear, and that we will be trying to
produce things more efficiently with technologies and energy sources are
going to be more carbon efficient. So yes, the price
of carbon will be zero one day, and so some
people may hold assets that are actually worth serah, But
that's not my call to make it this time.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Probably won't be your problem in twenty or thirty years
time either. Mic I shouldn't say that Toki Tooki water project.
We saw Ruatana for fallover. Is this one going to
go in Hawk spay and lower central Hawk spay where
your base because this would transform the landscape.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Well, it certainly would. I mean the region Hawks Bay
is a region unfortunately is running dry, and so we
need to face up to the reality that of all
the rivers that flow to the sea, there's about seven
point two BILLIONT cubes of water flows to the sea
out of the rivers of Hawks Bay each year, and
we kept a pretty much zero amount of that. We're
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looking to hold up one point four percent in this
Tiktoki Water Security Project storage dan one point four percent
of that total water that runs through the sea and
let it go when people are short. We think it
makes perfect sense. Frankly, water storage is not the silver bullet.
It's not the only answer, Jamie. But I tell you what,
water storage has to be part of the solution for
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this part of the world. If you want to see
more jobs, high value food production and processing and extebit
environmental outcomps.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Oh, it's a damn fine solution. If you ask me,
no pun intended. Will that land all go to horticulture.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
By the way, more than likely, Jamie, because when you
look at the opportunities for permanent horticulture we've got Wattes
and mccaines in this part of the world, so vegetable
and fruit production or high value seed production, which we're
also trying to do here in Hawkspay. The reality is
that no one here can do that stuff now with
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any degree of certainty because they can't get access to
any water. The catchments are fully allocated, and in fact,
in the Heretongua you've actually got the amount of water
that is allocated being cut back by about thirty to
forty percent in some cases, which makes it impossible.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Good on you, Mike Peterson, Thanks for your time. I'll
see you at Field Days.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Thanks Jamie, look forward to it.
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Good Morning New Zealand. I'm Jamie Mackay. You're listening to
the best of the country on the radio. I hope
you got it turned up. It's brought to you by Rabobank.
We're growing a better New Zealand together, really enjoyed some
of the company from the team at Rabobank during field days.
We were there on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, so I
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picked out my favorite interviews from each of those days.
You're going to hear from them very shortly. On Wednesday
it was Richie McCaw and Dame Valerie Adams, Toyota brand Guardians.
On Friday it was of course the Prince of the Province's.
Thursday was Ray Smith, Director General of MPI with the
annual Situation and Outlook Report and ge There was some
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great numbers there. Our primary sector exports are worth fifty
nine point nine billion dollars, dairy making up twenty seven
billion dollars of that. What a great week it was
for farming at Mystery Creek. Hey, before I forget Rabobank
talking about Rabobank. Entries are open for the Rabobank Good
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Deeds Competition. Rural community groups are encouraged to submit their
projects for consideration via the rabobank website rabobank dot co
dot nz. The winning community group will receive a day's
dedicated days of a day should I say of hands
on support from the rabobank team, one of us might
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turn up as well as well as five thousand dollars
cash to bring their project to life. Rabobank dot co
dot Nz to apply for the Rabobank Good Deeds competition
for your rural community project also next week, and I
caught up with her briefly for a good yarn at
the Rabobank site. Emma Higgins, their senior dairy analyst, cover
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off Rabobank's latest dairy quarterly report that'll be out next
week but up next from day one of field Day's Wednesday.
Richie mccare and Dame Valerie Adams me.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
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Speaker 3 (19:05):
Rabobank to need no introduction, Dame Valerie Adams and he
should be Sir Richie McCaw but he turned it down.
Maybe he will be awey bit later. But I went
to you're both Toyota brand guardians. Dame Valerie has been
for a while, Richie, you were announced as one this morning.
Welcome to the fold.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
Yeah, it's exciting to be involved. There's obviously pretty exciting
with obviously the relationship with New ger Rugby as well.
And yeah, just stick to be on board and come
along with the field days the first time.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
And first day on the tools. You've got to turn
up at Toyota and go into a strength competition with
one of It was with one of the strongest athletes
New Zealand has ever produced, Dame Valerie Adams. And I
was there and you are a machine. You destroyed an
All Black legend.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
Well I had to beat him at something, right, I mean,
you know the woman power amongst us, this is pretty unique.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
You still look in remarkable shape. What are you doing
athletically now that you're retired from competitive shot putting.
Speaker 8 (20:09):
I probably trained like a normal person now I don't
have to carry as much muscle And thank you so
much for the compliments. Keep it coming, though, keep it
coming coming.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Well, Richie. I would worry about you if you were
playing for the All Blacks now because you'd pick up
the ball and someone would blow you over. There's not
much of you these days, because I know you're doing
the endurance sport.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Yeah, yeah, well I much fear you say that then
that no one would be able to move you because
you go one or two ways and your finish. But yeah,
I enjoy the challenge of that, and it's really just
to make sure you don't stop. You know, as soon
as you stop, the old injury start to get you
and you start to creak. So I sort of figured
if you keep moving, hopefully you can keep doing it
for a while.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
What amazes me about you especially is the number of
knocks you took in your all black career when you
were prone over the ball. You were great at that,
but if you were a target for every person out there,
how do you knees sustain what you do?
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Ah?
Speaker 7 (21:03):
I got lucky, probably like I didn't have any major injuries,
which is probably just a bit of luck. There're certainly
we're in tier though I tweaked the knee a couple
of years ago, got a skin. Honest, you might a
pretty good, aren't they. And the guy looked at me,
he said, there's a bet of weir in tier there, so,
but you'd expect that after a few years of doing that.
But just lucky, I can still run and all that
sort of stuff, and hopefully that carries on.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Dame Vererie, as I said, you're looking a million bucks.
You're very you look very fit and trim. Don't know
it's compliment.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Well, deserved was fat before?
Speaker 9 (21:31):
Well no, you were bigger, same same but no, no, no,
but you had to be for your sport like he
was bigger. So what are you so any any body
issues for you in terms of knees, joints?
Speaker 8 (21:44):
I mean, yeah, so I was a little bit unlucky.
I've had eight surgery sports related so knees, ankle's, shoulders.
But that's just the aim of the game, right You're
always training at at your limit every time, trying to
gain that sendime over and over again. After twenty five
years of the sport, my aim was to actually still
walk and one day hopefully carry my grandkids. So I
can still do that. And obviously, as you say, i'm
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looking the million bucks.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You are indeed now you also, Dame Valerie, look a
million bucks and your hybrid Highlander.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
How do you like it?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Oh? Absolutely love it.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
It's a great family car. I'm not trying to sell
you the car, by the way, but I've been very
fortunate and very humbled by the fact that Herd has
been by my side for a very very long time
over ten years, and they've been able to support me
throughout my journey as an athlete. But also now as
a moment, ongoing work within a community and within schools
and things like that.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You do a wonderful job. And Richie just finishing with you.
You are the new owner or the caretaker of a
brand new land cruiser.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it. So yeah, and that's
one of those ones. I grew up on the farm
when we were young, had a little red Twitter high
Lux and so it's sort of always been. You know,
when you have one of those on the farm, you
do I'm pretty good. So you had to get a
chance to have a land cruiser. Pretty state you get
from it.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Called me Dame Valerie Adams and Richie McCaw on day
one of the field days for us Wednesday. Of course,
this is the best of the country. I'm Jamie mckaye.
Up next more field days action On Thursday. We spoke
to Ray Smith, the Director General of MPI, the sixty
billion dollar man, and we wrap it with the Prince
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of the Province's Shane Jones over.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
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Speaker 3 (23:35):
Rubber Bank he's the Director General of MPI. His name
is Ray Smith, and Ray, I'm going to say to you,
God only knows what we would do without the primary sector.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Do you like what I did there?
Speaker 10 (23:46):
Well, actually, Jamie has some pretty good vibrations in the
primary sector. Actually, right at the moment, what an absolute
blockbuster announcement. We've got nearly sixty billion dollars in export innings,
three billion dollars more than we could have cast a
twelve percent growth rate, and almost across all categories of
the primary sectors.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
So look, I think a lot of.
Speaker 10 (24:06):
Growers, producers, farmers, big processing companies, people working in market think,
if you're really proud to be a key today knowing
that the world wants our products.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Hey, when I was a kid growing up, there was
a program on TV. We're doing nostalgia here are called
the six million dollar Man. I really wanted to call
you the sixty billion dollar man, but you just came
up short.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
Look, we really pushed our economists there to try and
find that last little bit.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
So look, you know, if we could have just.
Speaker 10 (24:36):
Got a little bit more out of the wine industry,
we would have been Okay, Mean, they've had a bit
of a tough year to be far to them.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
But look everyone, look, once.
Speaker 10 (24:42):
We get to the final ficuse, you never know, we
might just get across that sixty billion dollar line.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Well, god on you.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
So fifty nine point nine billion for the year end
of June thirty, twenty twenty five. Here's an interesting number.
Sixty five point seven billion by twenty twenty nine, that
is four years away. Now the government has ordered you,
right as a government servant, a servant to double export
primary sector exports in a decade. You're going to have
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to do a bit better than that.
Speaker 10 (25:10):
Yeah, well, look I think we've got to try and
raise it up to one hundred and six billion by
twenty thirty four. So we're looking about another twenty five
percent lift and performance across.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
That period of time.
Speaker 10 (25:21):
But if you think about it, another two billion people
are going to join the world between now and twenty fifty.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
New Zealand has a temperate climate.
Speaker 10 (25:29):
You know, climate change will affect everyone, but it will
affect us less than almost everybody else. We're going to
have great growing conditions. And look, I think the world's
going to want our products. More of the countries, the
sort of middle income un in countries, their wealth is growing,
they want to eat the things they want to consume
the things that we produce. I'm very confident that the
way New Zealand produces protein and amazing fruit products. You know,
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even if you get down to wool, you know, Wolve's
on a bit of a resurgence and if you hear
it field days, you want to get down and have
a look at the woll site because there's just so
many more things we can do with New Zealand's natural products.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
We're going to be talking to Miles Hurrald, chief executive
of Fonterra, and just a tick. They're doing a lot
of the heavy lifting the dairy industry. Of that sixty
billion twenty seven billion, nearly half of it belongs to
the dairy sector. And I we're going to talk to
Miles about that one. But I put it to you,
if you're to double these exports in the next decade,
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I think you're going to have to look to horticulture.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Well.
Speaker 10 (26:26):
I think what New Zealand will do is it'll do
more of what it's best in the world at. And
what New Zealand's best in the world at is growing protein.
So you know, we've got amongst the best farming capabilities
in the world. We've got a climate in Swirls that
are amazing for growing product. So I think we'll do
more dairy farming. I think we'll do more she can
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beef farming. I think we'll grow horticulture. If you look
at kiwifruit, it's now nearly four billion dollars, it's grown
by a billion dollars in a year. That's phenomenal growth.
But you know, you see twelve percent growth and dairy
product just sixteen percent just in one year. The world
wants those products will keep growing in the things that
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we're best in the world out jamming.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Now, therey's been number one for quite a while. Meat
and wall mainly meat, let's be honest, has been a
solid number two. Horticulture and forestry used to be dead
even at third equal. Horticulture has stolen a jump on forestry.
But it was good to see forestry jumping back nine
percent to be up to six point three billion, because
it's been tough for that industry.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Yeah, it's been pretty hard in the forestry sector. I
mean forestry.
Speaker 10 (27:32):
You know, fifty two percent of all of our kind
of forestry, wood process products go into China, into that
China market. So we're very dependent on what's happening in
the China market. And we know that building and construction
has been flat there as they've looked to kind of
stimulate the economy. Now we've sent a bit of a
lift in finished wood products just over a billion dollars
and actually that's been helped by Pan Pack getting its
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millback up and running in the Hawk's Bay following the
big cyclone.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Interesting of all the slow you showed it your wonderful
presentation there this morning to the industry. Our export markets,
China still dominates. We're sending thirty one percent of what
we export to China. The United States has taken over
a second, Australia's third, just ahead of the EU. It's
not that long ago that Australia was number one.
Speaker 10 (28:20):
Well that's right, but that free trade agreement that was
signed up with China some years back now has really
unleashed the huge potential of New Zealand's growers to get
into a market that's.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Really now very mature.
Speaker 10 (28:33):
Our relationships and look, I when I was in China
just a month or so ago, my relationships with my
counterpart agencies in China is very warm. We can work
through all sorts of market access issues together. The logistics
of trading between New Zealand and China are well established.
Our companies have huge representation in China. I mean, I
think Fonterra has something like seven hundred people based in China.
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I know Silfirn and other companies have a large presence
in China. So it's a really critical market to us.
And we we have a particular trade architecture with China
which I think will guarantee that you'll see products going
here and us getting good returns off them for many
years to come.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Ray Smith, Director General of MPI. On Thursday show at
Mystery Creek, what a great result for the New Zealand
economy worth nearly sixty billion dollars our primary exports go,
you farmers, go, you good things out there. We're going
to wrap it. On yesterday's show he kicked it off
and he had he had the meeting out of his
hands at Mystery Creek. It's the Prince of the Province's
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Shane Jones and all his pomp from Field days.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Woods fell in love.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
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Speaker 3 (29:47):
He's my favorite politician of the day. At the moment.
The Prince of the Province's Shane Jones. I have come
bearing gifts from Open Country Cheese. They want to bribe you,
Shane with a block of cheese. That's gold. Hey, folks,
good to be back.
Speaker 11 (30:00):
I'm going to tell you that people would probably want
me to have Swiss cheese full of holes. I fear
I might have to declare this, but there's a reason
that I'm one hundred and eighty in cages and it's
probably too much carb and probably too much cheese and
the wrong sort of tucker.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
But good to be here.
Speaker 11 (30:19):
I myself, as you know, born and bred on a
farm and have never forgotten the foundational influences of farm life.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Did you plant a whole lot of pine trees on
your own farm? Ah? Too much course in the far North. Look,
I don't know why I have.
Speaker 11 (30:34):
To be reminded at this particular mystery Creek event of
the billion tree strategy. It was a great idea in
its time, Right tree, right place. I've actually just met
with the FEDS and they said, the last time we
had you here, Shane Jones, we wanted to punch you
in the nose. I said, Oh, that's now the Greenies,
not the farmers.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Oh that looks like that other. It sounds like that other.
Great New Zealand First idea to put your cinderin. Ah.
Speaker 11 (31:00):
I love talking to Jamie because it gives me a
chance to tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
And twenty twenty why did.
Speaker 11 (31:08):
All the farmers' wives vote for Jacinda and throw Winston
and Shane on the scrap heap?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
But wait, we're back twenty twenty six.
Speaker 11 (31:16):
You can redeem yourselves.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Now I'm looking talking about federated Farmers. And I just
found this one this morning trolling through the net chain.
They commissioned their own political poll in the week following
the budget and not well, I guess, not surprisingly because
they're swarming around here National fifty four Act nineteen, New
Zealand First eight and then Labour, Greens and to Party
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Maury barely registering. But the surprise number for me, in
all seriousness, was that New Zealand First is only rating
at eight percent with the farmers. Because to be fair
to you and I see your good man over there,
Mark Patterson. You're doing a good job or you certainly
have the farmer's backs.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (31:57):
Well, we're halfway through the cycle and our appeal to
the farmers is a little bit like my political career.
We're late bloomers. So I wait until August September next
year and the farmers will realize that they need a
dependable backbone in politics. Winston and our party represent that
opportunity because the other side of politics, there's a reason
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why labor is at three percent in that pole. But
don't for a moment think that one pole reflects all
of the electoral outcomes.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Information out yesterday or this morning from Beef and Lamb
who are just behind us here at Mystery Creek research
carried out on basically carbon farm and close to forty
thousand I know you don't want me to go on
about trees, but you've got to face this one show.
Close to forty thousand hectares of sheep and beef farms
have been sold four forestries since September of last year.
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And I know that Luxeon Chrystph Luxon made the announcement
at the Southern Field days or down at the Southern
Field Days site in December, but the onslaught of the
pine trees hasn't stopped.
Speaker 11 (33:02):
Well, look, the PMS made his decision and the way
to I guess moderate the development of carbon forestry is
to restrict who can actually register a forest.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
With the ETS.
Speaker 11 (33:16):
And that's it the heart of what Minister Todd has
been promoting. But our colleague, who provides a lot of
direction to our party, Mark Patterson, has said, don't completely
throw the etes out, but look at refining it and
narrowing its application so we don't worsen the situation, and
we don't want to worsen the situation with cockies. But hey,
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all you farmers, I got to tell you, if I
was to stop you selling your land, you would say,
Shane Jones, you're a communist. No, I'm not the communist.
That's Chloe in the other crowd. So you've got to
bear in mind if you want property rights, you want
the ability to do what you feel is appropriate for
your land, then weigh up all those decisions. But the
ability to plaster the landscape and pine trees for carbon purposes,
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as you well know, as the Prime Minister has articulated,
has reached its high point.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Should we be going Should we be allowing one hundred
percent offsetting very few other countries? Are we the only
country that does it?
Speaker 11 (34:15):
While you're really raising a deeper question, which is what
we're taking to the next election. Why are the food
industries of New Zealand subject to this un driven set
of climate obligations. We're taking remits to our party conference
in September and if we can get our party members
to accept that food industry should be exempt from the
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Paris Accord, then we'll be able to take that forward
as a key part of our manifesto and God willing
contribute that to the formation of a future government if
we get enough folks on the center right side.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
So basically you and Winston just want us out of Paris,
right well.
Speaker 11 (34:53):
Winston's the Foreign Minister, and Paris Accord is a part
of foreign policy. And as great line to me as
when talking about foreign affairs, Shane Jones, Yes, stick to
your lane and less it's more. And as he flew
out to Paris and to Nice and as he goes
to other places New York and such famous sites of
great influence, he says, Shane, I'm going to New York
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and you're going to mournure.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
So there's the where the real power lies.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
To be fair to you, You've just come back this
week from Singapore. What was on over there.
Speaker 11 (35:25):
Our large conference where we were promoting investment to rebbe
reinvigorate the gas industry. Without gas, will be condemned to
use Indonesian coal. I got nothing against the Indonesians. We
should be digging up our own coal. And my message
to the dairy farming producers and processes stop this mad
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drive flight towards demonizing the coal industry. We are going
to need all options, including gas and coal well towards
twenty to fifty. And this unicor kissing fairytale territory that
somehow wind and solar is going to save New Zealand,
and New Zealand single handedly can save the planet from
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the climate cultism.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
That's not the state of New Zealand first beliefs. Well
there you go. He's getting a big hand from the
crowd here AT's Mystery Creek. Just finally, August the twenty second,
to a poke the rugby club. You and I are
doing a fundraiser together. Ah yes, and we're going to
let you off the chain Chatham House Rules, how good
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will that be if you're anywhere NaN's a pookey ah.
Speaker 11 (36:34):
Chatham House Rules didn't work too good for phil goth
so I kind of regard most of what I have
to say. It's going to make its way to the
front page of the paper. But look, it's really important
for politicians who like to promote personality, and of course
Mark Patterson will say shang promote ego. There's a difference
between the feckless South and the reckless North or was
(36:57):
it the other way around. I've got my colleagues, Mark
and Andy and the audience, and it's good to be
here as a team, and it's really good also to
go out and support fundraising activities. And Jenny, Jenny is
constantly making sure that I don't make a fool of
myself in parliament. Jenny, Markroff, you haven't begun to make
an impression as of yet. But Jenny also has been
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fighting a fight Jamie against the Auckland City Council for
the for the over development of property and the destruction
of our marine farming industry. So it's not only terrestrial farming.
I'm also a champion for marine farming I'll be there
at Tippuke. I was a rugby player, but as my
father said, Shane, you were born with a dictionary in
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your mouth and it didn't stop when it went on
the rugby field.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Sadly, ladies and gentlemen, Shane Jones, thank you very much
for your time. Enjoyed the cheese from Open Country, Their.
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Speaker 5 (38:01):
You knew all I'm a jig fry.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
How good was that? Shane Jones Martuur Shane Jones, the
Prince of the Provinces, had the meeting out of his
hands at Mystery Creek yesterday. Right, I'm out of here.
I'm going home to lick my wounds. It's been a
very very busy week and a week that's been dominated
by some great farming stories. Our primary sector exports worth
(38:24):
nearly sixty billion dollars to the New Zealand economy. Where
would we be without the farmers. We'd be bugged. That's
where we'd be.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Got to go.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I'll catch you again, same time, same place, next Saturday.
Thanks to Rabobank for making this show possible.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
But was feeling love is grown in Southern ground and
little bit of jigger fry go bere on Friday Night,
a para temes that figures right and the radio Lassie
sim see love Man, my mom's sides, feel a touch
(39:03):
over pressure us child, and know Mother's. It's funny how
it's a little things in life that mean almost not
where you live. Once you drive over the price tag
on your clothes, there's no.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Dollar sign on the feet of mind.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Decide come to know.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
So if you agree, have a drink with me, raising
glasses for a toast to a little bit of chicken
trying and cold beer on Friday night Apparent jeans that
fit to us right and the radio A lot to
see song riders see loveing, my Ma's size, feel a
(39:48):
touch ever my pressure us child, and.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Know one Mother's the.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Thank God for my life.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Four stars and stripes, May freedom forever fly, let it rain,
Salute the ones who die, the ones that give their
lives so we don't have to sacrifice all the things
we love. Lick our chick tar and cold beer on
(40:31):
a Friday night Apparent tane to fit, just racket and
the radio.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
A lot to see.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Song See love in Mabama's eyes. Feel the touch of
a pressure us child and know them. Mother's the get
your little chicken fries and cold beer on a Friday night,
apparentane to fit, just racket and the radio. I'm allowed
(41:02):
to see song right, see love in my Mama's sides.
Future I'm a pressure shop and the woman burst.
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