June 20, 2025 • 40 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Damien O'Connor, Emma Higgins, Winston Peters, Jane Smith, and Hamish McKay.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 5 (00:18):
But I'm not bub oh young, but I'm not double, and.
Speaker 6 (00:21):
I don't think the world is souling. I just do
am well. We're told Okada and good morning's zelland I'm
Jamie McKay here on your long Matariki weekend. I hope
you're getting a break. I know some of the farmers
out there won't be. They are keeping the wheels of
industry turning for our nation. This show the best of
the country, the best. It's from our weekday show twelve
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to one, as brought to you by Rabobank. We're growing
a better New Zealand together. Gonna kick it off with
a guy I always enjoyed Disagreeing with Damian O'Connor, Labour's
trade spokesperson. He took a wee bit of umbradge earlier
in the week when I asked why this party is
playing a wait and sea game when it comes to
its agg policy always good value, Damien O'Connor. Even if
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we agree to disagree. Someone I find myself agreeing with
is Zamma Higgins, not because she's from the sponsor Ravo Bank,
but because she's a pretty smart dairy analyst and her
latest dairy Quarterly Q two report she's titled It's too
Good to be True. So despite a strong start to
twenty twenty five for the dairy industry and the forecast
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milk price downside risks are expected to emerge over the
coming months. Winston Peters, New Zealand first Leader Deputy Prime
Minister will former Deputy Prime Minister stepped in for Christopher
Luxen who wasn't available for his regular Wednesday slot because
he was in China. So we talked to Winston, who's
been around for a fair while. It's fair to say
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about the perilous state of the world geopolitically, a trade
deal with Indonesia missing field days for the first time
in years, his political adversaries including the Green Party, and
we talked about the Green parrot Jane Smith and Hamish
McKay namesake and you fill an host here on the country.
Before the end of the hour, as we preview Tonightsburg
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Rugby game Back with Damian O'Connor.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
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Speaker 6 (02:25):
Rabobank, Well, today has been all round rather too nice really,
no arguments at all, So I thought I'd finish the
show today with an argument with this man, Damian O'Connor,
Labour's trade spokesperson. But Damien, you stood me up. Thanks
for coming on at the eleventh hour.
Speaker 7 (02:42):
You well, just some of the year. It seems to
be fog around the place and fortunately a lot of
planes i think in different places because of the cold,
were grounded. So it's supposed to take off the six
thirty five and finally got off at about eleven. So
a bit frustrating one of those days.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Okay, So I missed you at Field Days. Joe Luxton
was crook. I had a yarn to Chippy the boss.
Why are we still playing a waiting game to see
your ag policy? Are you just going to play wait
and see? Hang on, hang on, let me finish the
question to.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
Speak to you. How are you not as around you Jamie.
Everyone was nodding their.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Head, putting their head in agreement with.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
You, and you and you nodding as well. It was
all you know, it's this great but the echo chamber
of the year just inside the pavilion.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Here's my question, why are we playing wait and see
for you guys to get some egg policy out of here.
You're not going to get voted in mind you, if
we believe the Federated Farmer's poll Damen, they had Labor
at three percent, Greens at two percent, to Party Marie
at one percent. Between the opposition, you could only muster
six percent of the farmer's vote.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
Why bother, Well, we'll just wait for the pole next
year and then we'll see what happens. And you know,
I mean that there might be a whole lot of people,
you know, feeling good about that the farmer pole. Also,
it's the poll at the election time, and there's a
lot of people out there quite grumby.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Belt absolutely, and labor seems to be doing quite well.
I'm not taking that away from you, but you're not
going to get any votes from the rural community. The
farming sector.
Speaker 7 (04:07):
Well, I'm not too sure about that. There was a
thousand people polled. I'm not sure how they said farmers
poll that, you know. But anyway, without getting into that,
I know there's a lot of people who are a
bit confused about what the government is saying to agriculture.
I mean, there are a lot of positive announcements. Will
know seen be positive by the government at the field days,
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and I acknowledge the uptake of wall carpets is great
to investigating by diversity, but there wasn't too many details
with some of those announcements. So you know, lots of
hype and hope. We just need to see what is
delivered and I think a lot of farmers wanting to
see it.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
Do you think that the primary sector penny has finally
dropped for you guys in labor and ship. He's a
bit of a pragmatist. I'll give him credit for that
in terms of the importance of the primary sector to
the New Zealand economy.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Sixty dollars they announced the Sophie. It didn't quite get
to sixty billion dollars. Great to see that export revenue.
You know, actually, through COVID and through our time in government,
we had steadily increasing export revenue.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
Because we were prepared to take on Bovis and try
and sort that out. For the primary sector. We kept
all of those industries going except forestry.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
You stopped living on past glories. Walk Echo would have
shut farming down and he walk Echanoa would have shut
farming down.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Oh Jamie, that's good. You make some ridiculous statements, he
walk Echino would probably that one opportunity where we gave
to primary industry leaders the opportunity to grapple with the
challenge of climate change. How we meet our emissions. This
government has said, oh, the ETS is going to solve
it and some technology, but we don't want people planting trees.
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So they're in a muddle when it comes to our emissions.
And the technology is still some way down the track.
So if you're happy to write out a check in
twenty thirty, and I don't think most Kiwis are, then
we've got to get on and do something.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
Let's just finish on a comment from Steve Abel, the
greensag spokesperson, and doesn't he look like a green agricultural
spokesperson as well? But I shouldn't be judgmental, And he
made a good point on Q and A. He said, well,
we can't plant our way out of pollution with pine trees.
And I think that's something you and I can agree on.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
But that's what the government has proposed. All they have
talked about by way of reducing our emissions or meeting
our international obligations, is to have more trees through the ets.
It's crazy. They've got themselves into a pickle and they
need to explain how they're going to get themselves out
of it.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Well, maybe only the return of a labor government with
the party Marion the Greens can save farming, Damien. That
would be good. That would be something to look for me.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
That's the one time I agree with is one sensible
statement you've made to say that if you look through
history and look at the major change had been made
to the benefit of agriculture that being made under labor government.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
There we go, Damian. I'connor mind you. There is an
old saying out there that tafarmers always make money under
a labor government. Well they didn't in the last one.
That's me done and dust that. I'll catch you back tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
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Speaker 6 (07:25):
Rubbobank, it is hot off the press. It's Rabobank's latest
global dairy quarterly report. This one is Q two and
it's subtitled too Good to be True downside risks expected
to emerge overcoming months. The author is Emma Higgins. I
jokingly refer to her occasionally as the Grim Reaper. I
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just think you're being pragmatic and practical here, Emma.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well, thank you, Jamie. Also, I feel like you've upgraded
my nickname from the Grinch the grim Reaper. So that's
quite a quite a monika to hold going forward. But look,
I think we do need to be pragmatic. So we
have seen the announcement come out of ten dollars for
twenty five twenty six, and this follows a twenty four
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to twenty five season also with double digits. Great news
for the dairy industry. But it's what we do with
these improved cash flows that will set us up for
more volatile times ahead, which is really important. So my
messages out there are yet greatly. Take that ten dollar
headline absolutely, But what would it look like if we
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saw perhaps some weakness come through, maybe nine fifty to
ten fifty or nine to fifty to ten dollars at
least is somewhere where we should be sitting and thinking
about in anticipation for the global uncertainty that is right now.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
So apologies, Zama. I didn't mean to upgrade you from
a grinch to a grim reaper. But what I do
appreciate from you and the team is at Rabobank is
you do normally take a cautious or conservative line, which
I think is exactly the right thing to do when
you're trying to forecast this. You have come out at
ten dollars as a twenty five twenty six forecast. Are
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you going to stick with that?
Speaker 5 (09:15):
So actually, when we were forecasting for the twenty five
to twenty six seasons is the one that we've just started,
I came out at nine fifty.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Thinking that the apologies again, I've got to apologize twice.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
It's fine, Jamie, look nine fifty, ten dollars, you know,
it's all rounding. But in reality, when we look at
Fronteria's range, the forecasts an exceptionally wide range, so eight
bucks to eleven. The midpoint of that is nine fifty,
but they have priced it slightly higher than that, and
that's why they've moved away from the line. Of the
midpoint of the range, and now it's just a forecast
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at ten bucks. Look, we need to talk about market
volatility because there are other companies that have come out
a little bit lower than that ten dollars figure, seeing
uncertainty and particularly with regards to geopolitics where I'm watching.
These are the factors, and the point is that I'm
watching for Jamie when it comes to milk price needle movers.
(10:13):
Number one, it's what's happening on the demand side. If
we look at it from the hard data perspective, we've
seen some challenging or some cautionary tales come out of
some markets and some channels so far. If we look
at McDonald's results in quarter one recently announced same store
sales shrink over three point five percent, which was the
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worst result in the United States since the COVID nineteen lockdowns.
We have seen them specifically cite medium to low income
consumers really under pressure. And that follows other challenging results
coming out of the likes of Starbucks in China and
also young brands with respect to Pizza Hut as well.
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And then we overlay that with some of our soft
data so confidence results that have also come out of
the United States recently, we're at their second to lowest
levels ever recorded. So there are some certainly some worrying
signals out there on that demand side that we're watching
really closely because that could be really impactful for demand
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for our dairy products.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
So what about the production side of the equation, the
supply side.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
That is the good news story, right, that's the bright spark,
and that's the part that's really holding a strong floor
for commodity prices and for a milk prices in turn.
So globally, there is not a tidal wave of milk
out there. In saying that, we expect that to grow
by one percent from the major exporting countries this year
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in twenty twenty five, so the tide is gathering pace,
but we don't think it's going to be a tidal
wave that will overwhelm market so to speak. New Zealand
is probably one of the you know, the areas that
has shown the most growth in recent times. We expect
that to continue. Giving the home of price bookcast here
in New Zealand. We're the permitting but also expecting growth
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out of the United States, South America and then also
parts of Europe as well. So the tight global supply
of the last three years has been really helpful. That
tide is starting to turn, and again it's how that
matches up with weak demand that we're really cautious about.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Emma Higgins always good to chat. Great to catch up
with you at field days as well.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
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Speaker 6 (12:36):
Great to have Winston Peters and New Zealand First Leader,
former Deputy Prime Minister kicking off the show in Winston.
I don't want to be ages here, but you've been
around for a long time. The world as we know
is in a constant state of flux. But g it's
unsettled at the moment. And I heard you quoted or
I read about you being quoted, couldn't agree more that
we're in the worst space we've been since the Cuban
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missile crisis of nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
Well, the reality is that you know, in post war
the geostrategic circumstance has never been so bad. And what
we do where New Zealands are concerned. Is very important
about being cautious and keeping our counsel and waiting to
see what develops. But you know, you've got all sorts
of people expecting us to do miracles from this far
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away from the center of the strife in the Middle East,
And all I'm saying is that there are circumstances developing
there which I believe will not last as long as
some spect let us think it'll be over. I think
in a couple of weeks, and hopefully that we'll peace
and calm will break out as a consequence.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Well, you're talking about something being over in a couple
of weeks. I'm assuming you're referring Israel Aram. There are
lots of other conflicts around the world that aren't going
to be over in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
Yeah, but that's the current one that's got the concentration
of people at the moment.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Well, you mentioned the people who don't like your foreign
policy or the government's foreign policy. They include former Prime
Minister Helen Clark, who you worked with, Don Brash, former
National Party leader. In fact, you have been quoted as
saying that critics of the government's foreign policy reset are
ill informed and shouting impotently at the clouds. Didn't you
(14:24):
steal that one liner from Chippy who accused you of
being an angry old man shouting at the clouds?
Speaker 8 (14:30):
No, no, he borrowed that from some social media opponent.
But I'm saying that here we've got a circumstance where
on for example, for example, August pillar two, both those
two people, Brash and Clark, that you re cite after
the August twenty one when Justin Adern signed up to
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looking at it all, to studying the possibility of August
pillar two if we were invited. Didn't that word until
after the twenty three election. So for two years they
were out of East silent, and all of a sudden,
all of a sudden, they've got an alarm about what's happened,
And what's happened at this point in time is nothing's happened.
So they have not been updated, they have not been
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briefed for sixteen or more years. And I'm just saying
to them, why don't you leave the people who are
in the center of the action, who are getting all
the information to their critical need and upon which you
used to rely when you were associated with foreign affairs.
But apparently not lying about on that information at all.
You're just relying upon your own bias and it might work.
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They've talked about China, for example, now a ration with China. Well,
the ambassador for China recently said that our relationships are
in an excellent situation. You see what I mean. So
you've got all this alarmism going on, not justified, and
the unfazed, uneducated media of just carrying this information.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
When was the last time you missed field days? And
you had a pretty good excuse. It wasn't the dog
my homework. It was the fact that you were doing
work for US, trade work for US in France, Rome,
and you did get a bit of a breakthrough in Indonesia.
But going back to my original question, when was the
last time you missed field days?
Speaker 8 (16:13):
I can't remember. I've been going to field days for years.
But you know I was in Newsia at the very
same time signing up to the Halal Deal, which is
big for our farming community and our exports, which we've
been working on for decades. So this is a serious achievement.
Did I get in your headlines? And no, was anybody
in the media concerned about it? No, this is the
first time you're actually hearing about it on your show.
See what's wrong with our country? So you've got all
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the effort to ensure that this dynamic industry called pot
production and reaching our export levels of sixty billion critical
to our future, can go forward, and none of the
positive headlines of any value to the mainstream media.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Now we broadcast at Field Days for three days in
a prime position just inside the main doors of the pavilion.
The biggest the man who drew the biggest crowd, or
the person, let's be politically correct, Winston who drew the
biggest crowd was none other than your Deputy, the Prince
of the Province's Martina Shane Jones. Yet at those said
same Field Days, Federated Farmers came out with their pole
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national rocketing ahead fifty four percent support from the Farmers
Act nineteen New Zealand First eight Labour Greens and to
party Mary got nothing and that's probably deserved. Why aren't
you getting better support from the farmers because I'll give
it to you and Shane, you've been good supporters of them.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Yes, but here's the point. You see on your show
and other shows and provincial radios highly depend upon the
prime production, farming community and all those associated industries. When
did they ever recite the fact that the National Party
he supported by act signed up to the Powis Accord.
Do you remember that it was don Key and Paul
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Bennett that did that? And here the farmers anything about
what it all means, and not even taking any regard
for who put them in that situation. You get my
point now, So all we can do is go out
to the provinces, as we will in the following months,
and pack the halls and tell people the truth.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Part of your election campaign will be to get us
out of Paris. Are you shouting at clouds there?
Speaker 8 (18:20):
No, I'm not saying getting out of Paris. I'm saying
to everybody, hang on, if four countries beginning with sober
thirty percent from China and then India and then Russia
and the United States are not involved in this, on
what possible basis can we think that New Zealand's going
to help or we're going to just do this, sacrifice
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our economy, sacrifice our wealth, sending ourselves to the Third
world without questioning why if we can't get them incorporated?
Are we being bound this way? Why are we not
saying to them all in or you're not in? But no,
we're out here a virtue singing because the whole lot
of lefty shills think this is a good idea, regardless
of the fact that the industries that keep them alive
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are going to be imperiled if we go down that
pathway without questioning what's happening.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Well, I think if the farmers are listening to that,
they might have changed their vote. Hey, just a final word,
perhaps hang right where you go.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
That's my very point. How come they're hearing it for
the first time? Been years on since then went to parison, right,
So here's the point. Why are they hearing it for
the first time? Anyway, better later than never.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Let me just finish on your political adversaries, and there's
been a lot of those over the years. But are
your favorite targets at the moment, they're mine as well.
The Greens and to Party Maury. I saw the Greens
agriculture guy on Jack Tame. Heaven help farming if they
get anywhere near the treasury benches. I think To Party
Maury are even worse. See, I reckon you're going to
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win the selection by default. That is of course, Winston,
unless Labor gets a new leader and you decide to
go with them.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
Oh you see heavy go again. Now you're out there
spreading rumor.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
No I'm not, I'm just putting it out there.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
As Jefrey Farmer saying it, spreading rumor with malice. The
fact of the matter is that the Farming Commute should
understand that in his universe, we've got a very very
strong farming base. We've got critical people like Shane Jones,
like Mike Patterson, like myself will come up a dairy
farm or different farms and know a bit about the
farming community and have always represented and defended them to
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the hilt. That's the only reason why we kept the
Paris under control in the last seventy twenty twenty period.
The moment we've gone it went heywhy so here we
are saying to the National Party and saying that the
two others in Parliament, tell me, how can we achieve
these things if the critical economies are over sixty percent
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of the missions as we speak and are not part
of the process, Just stop virtue singing and look at
our economic future and our chance of recovery being utterly imperiled.
If the people on the left get their way.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Might bottle that. Hey, when you flew home from France
and Indonesia, did you read your Sinder's book? Did you
get a mention?
Speaker 7 (21:09):
No?
Speaker 8 (21:09):
I haven't read the book, and I won't be. I've
seen so many politicians write books, and the extraordinary thing
is how they seek to recorrect history. I can go
through countless politicians books and blow them apart, page by page.
But I'm too busy doing a job for the taxpayer.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Hey, when you finally retire, if that ever, indeed happens,
yours would be a great read.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Well, here's the point. I ask yourself this. If you're
working with college and associates who are keeping private notes
at night, intending to write about the confidential conversations you
had in the day, during those days and during those
weeks of all the time you're working with them, would
you actually trust them?
Speaker 7 (21:50):
Would you share with.
Speaker 8 (21:51):
Them the conference if you knew they were writing a
book about it? Well, I don't think that that's right.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
All right, wee Ston Peter's thanks for your time. I
could chat to you all day. I haven't got all
If there was a chapter on Winston Peters and people
he met at the Green Parrot. I think that would
be a good read. I thank you very much for
your time.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
Now, why did you say that? Part for the fact
is the Green Parrot is a barometer of this country.
A lot of these restaurants are closing down because so
much of the Willington planning as anti business and any car.
That's a local government issue, but it's also a local
government issue allowed by middling central government.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
And we all love the Green Parrot, white buttered bread
and black sauce. You can't pay it, Winston Peter's got
to go.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
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Speaker 6 (22:56):
Good Morning New Zealand. Welcome back to the Best of
the Country, brought to you by Rabobank on your long
Martoiki weekend at Accounting Stars for Marto Riki. Up next
on the Best of the Country, Jane Smith, outspoken North
Otago farmer, led her off the chain on Wednesday's show,
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and she made a good point. She said we should
be more worried about global warring than global warming. We
also talked about the Green Party's fiscal folly, as Jane
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Speaker 1 (25:04):
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Speaker 6 (25:12):
Heard from Winston Peters has another high profile commentator on
the country, Jane Smith, North Otago farmer of course, former
winner of the Balance Farm Environment Awards, which are on tonight.
Hey Jane, just before we get into the issues of
the day, an unscientific poll at Field Days had Jane
and Shane is my most popular correspondence. That's of course
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you and the Prince of the Provinces. Should I be worried?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Well, thank you, Jamie. That's almost a compliment, but I'll
take it.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Jamie.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
I don't get many compliments around here, so thank you.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Is that all you've got to say.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
It's about it, Jamie. I mean, I'm just really literally
standing out in the paddock every fortnight. I guess shooting
from the Jamie, which are not quite as articulates as
Shane Jones, but I'm just yeah, I guess at grassroots
from the panic.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
Jamie.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Well, let's get some of that grass root messaging from
the paddock. You reckon, we should be and I'm totally
with you on this. In Winston also spoke about this,
we should be more worried about global warring rather than
global warming.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Oh, absolutely, Jamie. You know, as a trading nation, we
should be very concerned, you know, in terms of the
conflict that that's happening. And we've spent spends to spend
quite too much time on you know, praying at the
aultar of climate change in terms of the Paris Agreement,
and not enough time in terms of actually looking at
that conflict escalation that's happening. So yeah, we should be
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very very concerned. And but again Black here in Old
New Zealand, we seem to be apologizing for things that actually,
in the biggest scheme of things are tiny and actually
and actually we're knowing anyway, Winston.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Made a talent comment and he referred to where we
are in the world at the moment as the sort
of the stickiest, most dangerous time since the Cuban miss
crisis when Kennedy and khrush Chief were going head to
head in the early nineteen sixties. You were you weren't
even a twinkle in your father's eye back then, Jane.
But he's putting it into some sort of historic perspective.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
And that is the really concerning thing in terms of
what that might mean again for little old New Zealand
going forward. And so that's why we need to be
as resilient and as robust in terms of our economy
as we can. But instead we seem to be finding
fifty ways to hamstering our own economy. And you know,
I saw, oh, the Green Party's unhinged policy, fiscal policy
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or fiscal folly or what fiester, if you want to
call it something else. It was lacking both oxygen and
a grasp of real word reality. And you know, the
Greens has suddenly decided that debt is the way forward.
And I think that suggested something like one hundred and
twenty two percent of GDP would be perfectly fine to
chase for debt. And it's interesting the same day I
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heard an interview with Chloe Swarbrick. I heard one with
Richardson and it was chalk and Cheese, Jamie, you know,
when she was talking about dealing to the debt and
deficit and cutting your cloth and having balancing the box, Jamie,
and it was really I don't know, it was just
really cut throat and exactly what we need. So and
that said, I did actually agree with some of the
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things that old Steve Abel from the Green Party, and
I actually wonder whether you should get him on your show, actually, Jamie,
because actually he's a reasonably sensible rooster amongst the Socialist
Henhouse and the Green Party.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Okay, well, Jane, you're referring to the Q and a
interview with Jack Tame, which I thought the whole show
was really good. I'm not quite sure whether we can
totally justify Ruth Richardson's Mother of All budgets in the
early nineteen nineties too hard, too fast. But anyhow, going
back to Steve Abel, disagree with literally everything he said
except for the bit about pine trees.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Actually really liked how he talked about the whole story
around healthy nutrition by adversity mosaic landscapes, and the brutal
truth is those of the type of things that we
should be promoting instead of actually, you know, going cap
in hands to the rest of the world saying really
really sorry about our mission profile. Actually that the brutal
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truth is that actually we should have enough courage to
actually be proud of our omission's profile. The fact that
it's food producing and actually something like the Paris Accord
is actually essentially not relevant in that regard, So you know,
it's barely worth the paper it's written on. Yet it
could be costing us billions of dollars and perpetuity for
a reversible land just change. And it's exactly what Steve
(29:32):
Abel was saying, not on the mission emission side of things,
but at the end of the day, the pine tree
plantations are just the symptom of the bigger problem. And
I know that the current coalition have announced, you know,
made their new announcement that was sort of trying to
make up for the impotent one that they made in
December last year, but an effect, it's really just arranging
the dick chairs on the Titanic while the band plays on.
(29:54):
So actually we need to be really really bold about
our pathway forward, so instead of you again spending so
much money. It's funny, isn't it, Jamie. We sent to
scrimp and save in so many areas, so health, education, infrastructure,
but when it comes to a missions reduction, it really
is there's money to swim in and there's a lot
of people set to make a lot of money from
(30:15):
methay mitigation Jamie. And it's a pretty sad state of
affairs that that's the case.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
I agree with you, we shouldn't be cutting any spending
at all on health. But the Green Party, you can't
take them seriously. They would be the death of farming,
a wealth tax and inheritance tax like the British farmers
are facing. Chloe said, we don't live on a monopoly
board land barons. That's people like you, Jane Smith, have
got to get out of jail free card.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Oh well I wouldn't. Yeah again, but they certainly understand
the sheef and beef sector and the low one put sector,
the hill and the high country, and yet sure don't
let them near the checkbook. Absolutely not. But actually so
I went back to their roots, which the original founders
of the Green Party did they actually understand that you
know that we're at a cross in terms of that natural, sustainable,
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biodiversely you know the fact that we're food producing heroes
and what's happening at the moment. Of course, we've got
the corporate, the corporate interference. You know, we've got Nissleigh,
which is essentially a junk food company trying to tell
us what to do, and our I guess our intensive
side of farming is really trying to turn us into
a quasi eu so actually forcing us into feed lots.
(31:23):
So and it's really sad that we've been told to
be quiet about this and actually that we can't have
a upfront debate as a country. We seem to be
looking over our shoulder and saying it's big brother watching.
We better be quiet about this. Actually, lets be really
really honest and say, actually we are different. Our missions
profile is different, and we're really really proud of it
because actually, instead of a point of difference in terms
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of our resources, we're actually making it into a pointless difference.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Jamie, talking about emission's profiles, I think yours is going
to go up. When you and Harbi Blair chet off
to the Mediterranean perhaps this winter for a holiday maybe
a yacht trip around the Mediterranean. Off the back of
selling an Angus ball last week, Jane for seventy one
thousand dollars. That's a lot of ball and a lot
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of moolah.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I'm not sure about that, Jamie, because I'm actually looking
at the bills on my deec that are waiting for
me at lunchtime to pay, and they're fairly sizable as well.
But you know, we're just pleased that showed the positivity,
not singularly that ball and that's going to a really
great anger start in the North Island, but actually the
fact that she can be farmers are now able to
have some confidence and make some long term decisions on
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their farming operations. So now we're pleased. And our average
didn't get too high. Overall, it was just a good
stable sale. And no, Jamie, I won't be going to
the Mediterranean. I'll be lucky to make it to Tour
tet free if Blair's got anything.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
To do with it.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Jamie, Wow, he's a Southland to throw and through to
a tap. He's got a lovely golf course. It's a
beautiful part of New Zealand and Western Southland. Jane Smith
I'll let you go. I know you've got a flat
out afternoon of farming in front of you. Thanks for
some of your time at lunchtime. Get those bills paid
before you head out the door.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
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Speaker 6 (33:10):
So today is Rowena Duncan's last day. We're going to
let her close out the show. But the bloke who
will be replacing Rowena as a replacement for me, we
thought we would swap like for like Jamie McKay for
Hamish mackay, a champion broadcaster of course, famous for his
TV three and rugby commentary days. Hamish, I want to
talk to you today about the Super Rugby Final. How
(33:33):
fizzed up.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Are you I seem?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
After all?
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Jamie?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Thank you. And by the way, there's a further complication
in there, because is it Hamosh Scottish for Jamie as well?
So chee, we're just about one hundred for one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Well we could be doppelgangles. Although you're a bit skinnier
than me now I used to be a bit skinnier
than you, but you've transformed yourself. Oh.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
The wonders of modern surgery had a bit of a
say in that. But yeah, but it's given me my
mojo fact that it wasn't too good. Put it this way,
I would have laughed at about thirty seconds in the
Super Rugby Final with one hundred and thirty five kgs
Now I'm an eighty kg winger.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Yeah, good on you mate, Good to see firing on
all cylinders. Look, okay, I'm going to throw my ideas
at you and I'm going to get you to comment
on them. Now, I just wonder if the Crusaders might
have an advantage in the front row with an all
all black front row. Will the Chiefs loose forwards perhaps
have an advantage over a very good Crusaders loose Ford
trio Will Jordan brilliance? You can never account for that.
(34:32):
But I think the big one for me anyhow, is
Damien McKenzie versus Rivers Rayhannah, And I think Damien McKenzie
might carry the day. What do you say?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
So beautiful? Beautifully put so, I think the front row
really impressive, the progress of a guy like Bolly Norris,
and they've got great competition for their front row positions
in that chief side, but the loose forwards, I think
they cancel themselves out. I think Jacobson is one of
the most underrated footy players going around. So who can
make the Based on what you said there, Jordan or
(35:03):
or d Mac, I think you bang on. I think
that's where that little bit of mercurial influence there, and
that he'll get good enough ball the chief pack or
a great pack. I think it'll be sort of fifty
to fifty up front. He's got that against the young
fuller Ray has come on. It's come on and leaps
and bounds, make no mistake. But yeah, I think that
(35:24):
that dmac will just because he has that beautiful thing
of a ten, which is opposition guessing as the watch
you're up. There's nothing predictable about the Chiefs. They are
steely out, they'll be, they'll be you know, they just
dropping dropping their bundle into bluesing that first one they
no doubt it would like to have been a fly
(35:44):
on the wall for postmats discussions on that, but yeah,
so it comes down to that. So it's a time
advantage versus d mac.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
Yeah, and I think the other thing is, while Murray Deker,
there's another great sports broadcaster, Hamish used to say, the
first person yet picking your team is the goal kicker.
The next person you pick as you reserve goalkicker. And
at the moment in New Zealand, we haven't got a
better goal kicker in my mind than Damien Mackenzie Rivers
Rahannah Yeah, okay, but unproven at the highest level. So
(36:14):
I think that could also make a big difference. This
could come down to denominations of three points.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, and given the defense of capabilities of both these teams,
I mean they just you know, I mean, obviously their
patterns are fantastic, but it's also the caliber of the
guys that are continually making the tackles and you know,
as you're sure from the Crusaders sucking it up, laid
against the Blues. But yeah, three points. It's kind of
(36:44):
almost come back into fashion, hasn't it. Just you know
it'll be one of those It'll be one of those occasions.
It doesn't look like you're at the moment.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
It sounds like our forty days back in the day.
Always take the three points when they're on off. I
always play with the wind that you're back. Hey, listen,
I've got to go. Thank you very much for your time.
You will be the official fellain we've been Rowena farewell.
Really looking forward to you being the host of the
country when I'm swining off, which will be more frequent
than it has been in the past.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You do that whenever you like you and and I'm
really honest, thank you, jeers, good on you, Hamish, go well, cheers.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
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Speaker 7 (37:29):
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Speaker 6 (37:33):
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I'm a big Scott Barrett and Will Jordan fan, but
Cantabrians need to learn to share the love. They've had
the supertitle enough times. Third time lucky tonight for the
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Chiefs off the back of a brilliant soloperfemanths from Damien McKenzie.
That's how I say it. We'll see if I'm right
sometimes suplace. Next Saturday morning, go to the chiefs. Wave
you with one republic and counting stars for Marto Riki
burned down this river everytime. Hope is for letter work,
make that money, watch it burn. But I'm not that
(38:20):
old young, but I'm not that old. I don't think
the world is soling.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I'm just doing what we're told.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
Here so and so long. You're doing your drahing.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
I could lie, could Mark could lie.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
Everything that drowns me makes me worm.
Speaker 6 (38:43):
I see chin about the things A week could be
Baben havn't hard exce nor more. Counting valleys will be
accounting stars. Plays a scene dreaming about the things A week.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
He could be delay and I'm.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
Being hard, sitting a love county as willy billy counting stars.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Oh take that money, watch it burn, sing in the river.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
The lesser take.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
That money, Watch it burn, sing in the river, the lesson,
O take that body, watch it but sing in the rember.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
The lessons take that moody watch it burn.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
Sing in the rember, the lesser dollar.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Everything that kills me.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
Makes me feel love.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
I've been I'm Lucien sleep dreamt about the things.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
A week could be.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Baby, I've been and I've been playing hard, sending no
more counting brothers will be accounting stars.
Speaker 6 (39:58):
D's a scene treatment about these in.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Two weeks and I'm at home, sitting am counting dots.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
Body.
Speaker 8 (40:10):
It's Goody County style and.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
You're watching for taking a Mesa Saint down when you're watching,
take Messada, take down when they're watching singing in the mess,
take down where they're watching
Speaker 6 (40:25):
But say, get a rid of the mesa
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Speaker 3 (00:09):
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Speaker 4 (00:15):
And science, stick it out and ye shall fun old.
Speaker 5 (00:18):
But I'm not bub oh young, but I'm not double, and.
Speaker 6 (00:21):
I don't think the world is souling. I just do
am well. We're told Okada and good morning's zelland I'm
Jamie McKay here on your long Matariki weekend. I hope
you're getting a break. I know some of the farmers
out there won't be. They are keeping the wheels of
industry turning for our nation. This show the best of
the country, the best. It's from our weekday show twelve
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to one, as brought to you by Rabobank. We're growing
a better New Zealand together. Gonna kick it off with
a guy I always enjoyed Disagreeing with Damian O'Connor, Labour's
trade spokesperson. He took a wee bit of umbradge earlier
in the week when I asked why this party is
playing a wait and sea game when it comes to
its agg policy always good value, Damien O'Connor. Even if
(01:06):
we agree to disagree. Someone I find myself agreeing with
is Zamma Higgins, not because she's from the sponsor Ravo Bank,
but because she's a pretty smart dairy analyst and her
latest dairy Quarterly Q two report she's titled It's too
Good to be True. So despite a strong start to
twenty twenty five for the dairy industry and the forecast
(01:27):
milk price downside risks are expected to emerge over the
coming months. Winston Peters, New Zealand first Leader Deputy Prime
Minister will former Deputy Prime Minister stepped in for Christopher
Luxen who wasn't available for his regular Wednesday slot because
he was in China. So we talked to Winston, who's
been around for a fair while. It's fair to say
(01:48):
about the perilous state of the world geopolitically, a trade
deal with Indonesia missing field days for the first time
in years, his political adversaries including the Green Party, and
we talked about the Green parrot Jane Smith and Hamish
McKay namesake and you fill an host here on the country.
Before the end of the hour, as we preview Tonightsburg
(02:09):
Rugby game Back with Damian O'Connor.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
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Speaker 6 (02:25):
Rabobank, Well, today has been all round rather too nice really,
no arguments at all, So I thought I'd finish the
show today with an argument with this man, Damian O'Connor,
Labour's trade spokesperson. But Damien, you stood me up. Thanks
for coming on at the eleventh hour.
Speaker 7 (02:42):
You well, just some of the year. It seems to
be fog around the place and fortunately a lot of
planes i think in different places because of the cold,
were grounded. So it's supposed to take off the six
thirty five and finally got off at about eleven. So
a bit frustrating one of those days.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Okay, So I missed you at Field Days. Joe Luxton
was crook. I had a yarn to Chippy the boss.
Why are we still playing a waiting game to see
your ag policy? Are you just going to play wait
and see? Hang on, hang on, let me finish the
question to.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
Speak to you. How are you not as around you Jamie.
Everyone was nodding their.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Head, putting their head in agreement with.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
You, and you and you nodding as well. It was
all you know, it's this great but the echo chamber
of the year just inside the pavilion.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Here's my question, why are we playing wait and see
for you guys to get some egg policy out of here.
You're not going to get voted in mind you, if
we believe the Federated Farmer's poll Damen, they had Labor
at three percent, Greens at two percent, to Party Marie
at one percent. Between the opposition, you could only muster
six percent of the farmer's vote.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
Why bother, Well, we'll just wait for the pole next
year and then we'll see what happens. And you know,
I mean that there might be a whole lot of people,
you know, feeling good about that the farmer pole. Also,
it's the poll at the election time, and there's a
lot of people out there quite grumby.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Belt absolutely, and labor seems to be doing quite well.
I'm not taking that away from you, but you're not
going to get any votes from the rural community. The
farming sector.
Speaker 7 (04:07):
Well, I'm not too sure about that. There was a
thousand people polled. I'm not sure how they said farmers
poll that, you know. But anyway, without getting into that,
I know there's a lot of people who are a
bit confused about what the government is saying to agriculture.
I mean, there are a lot of positive announcements. Will
know seen be positive by the government at the field days,
(04:28):
and I acknowledge the uptake of wall carpets is great
to investigating by diversity, but there wasn't too many details
with some of those announcements. So you know, lots of
hype and hope. We just need to see what is
delivered and I think a lot of farmers wanting to
see it.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
Do you think that the primary sector penny has finally
dropped for you guys in labor and ship. He's a
bit of a pragmatist. I'll give him credit for that
in terms of the importance of the primary sector to
the New Zealand economy.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Sixty dollars they announced the Sophie. It didn't quite get
to sixty billion dollars. Great to see that export revenue.
You know, actually, through COVID and through our time in government,
we had steadily increasing export revenue.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
Because we were prepared to take on Bovis and try
and sort that out. For the primary sector. We kept
all of those industries going except forestry.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
You stopped living on past glories. Walk Echo would have
shut farming down and he walk Echanoa would have shut
farming down.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Oh Jamie, that's good. You make some ridiculous statements, he
walk Echino would probably that one opportunity where we gave
to primary industry leaders the opportunity to grapple with the
challenge of climate change. How we meet our emissions. This
government has said, oh, the ETS is going to solve
it and some technology, but we don't want people planting trees.
(05:53):
So they're in a muddle when it comes to our emissions.
And the technology is still some way down the track.
So if you're happy to write out a check in
twenty thirty, and I don't think most Kiwis are, then
we've got to get on and do something.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
Let's just finish on a comment from Steve Abel, the
greensag spokesperson, and doesn't he look like a green agricultural
spokesperson as well? But I shouldn't be judgmental, And he
made a good point on Q and A. He said, well,
we can't plant our way out of pollution with pine trees.
And I think that's something you and I can agree on.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
But that's what the government has proposed. All they have
talked about by way of reducing our emissions or meeting
our international obligations, is to have more trees through the ets.
It's crazy. They've got themselves into a pickle and they
need to explain how they're going to get themselves out
of it.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Well, maybe only the return of a labor government with
the party Marion the Greens can save farming, Damien. That
would be good. That would be something to look for me.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
That's the one time I agree with is one sensible
statement you've made to say that if you look through
history and look at the major change had been made
to the benefit of agriculture that being made under labor government.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
There we go, Damian. I'connor mind you. There is an
old saying out there that tafarmers always make money under
a labor government. Well they didn't in the last one.
That's me done and dust that. I'll catch you back tomorrow.
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Speaker 6 (07:25):
Rubbobank, it is hot off the press. It's Rabobank's latest
global dairy quarterly report. This one is Q two and
it's subtitled too Good to be True downside risks expected
to emerge overcoming months. The author is Emma Higgins. I
jokingly refer to her occasionally as the Grim Reaper. I
(07:47):
just think you're being pragmatic and practical here, Emma.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well, thank you, Jamie. Also, I feel like you've upgraded
my nickname from the Grinch the grim Reaper. So that's
quite a quite a monika to hold going forward. But look,
I think we do need to be pragmatic. So we
have seen the announcement come out of ten dollars for
twenty five twenty six, and this follows a twenty four
(08:15):
to twenty five season also with double digits. Great news
for the dairy industry. But it's what we do with
these improved cash flows that will set us up for
more volatile times ahead, which is really important. So my
messages out there are yet greatly. Take that ten dollar
headline absolutely, But what would it look like if we
(08:35):
saw perhaps some weakness come through, maybe nine fifty to
ten fifty or nine to fifty to ten dollars at
least is somewhere where we should be sitting and thinking
about in anticipation for the global uncertainty that is right now.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
So apologies, Zama. I didn't mean to upgrade you from
a grinch to a grim reaper. But what I do
appreciate from you and the team is at Rabobank is
you do normally take a cautious or conservative line, which
I think is exactly the right thing to do when
you're trying to forecast this. You have come out at
ten dollars as a twenty five twenty six forecast. Are
(09:13):
you going to stick with that?
Speaker 5 (09:15):
So actually, when we were forecasting for the twenty five
to twenty six seasons is the one that we've just started,
I came out at nine fifty.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Thinking that the apologies again, I've got to apologize twice.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
It's fine, Jamie, look nine fifty, ten dollars, you know,
it's all rounding. But in reality, when we look at
Fronteria's range, the forecasts an exceptionally wide range, so eight
bucks to eleven. The midpoint of that is nine fifty,
but they have priced it slightly higher than that, and
that's why they've moved away from the line. Of the
midpoint of the range, and now it's just a forecast
(09:50):
at ten bucks. Look, we need to talk about market
volatility because there are other companies that have come out
a little bit lower than that ten dollars figure, seeing
uncertainty and particularly with regards to geopolitics where I'm watching.
These are the factors, and the point is that I'm
watching for Jamie when it comes to milk price needle movers.
(10:13):
Number one, it's what's happening on the demand side. If
we look at it from the hard data perspective, we've
seen some challenging or some cautionary tales come out of
some markets and some channels so far. If we look
at McDonald's results in quarter one recently announced same store
sales shrink over three point five percent, which was the
(10:33):
worst result in the United States since the COVID nineteen lockdowns.
We have seen them specifically cite medium to low income
consumers really under pressure. And that follows other challenging results
coming out of the likes of Starbucks in China and
also young brands with respect to Pizza Hut as well.
(10:54):
And then we overlay that with some of our soft
data so confidence results that have also come out of
the United States recently, we're at their second to lowest
levels ever recorded. So there are some certainly some worrying
signals out there on that demand side that we're watching
really closely because that could be really impactful for demand
(11:15):
for our dairy products.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
So what about the production side of the equation, the
supply side.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
That is the good news story, right, that's the bright spark,
and that's the part that's really holding a strong floor
for commodity prices and for a milk prices in turn.
So globally, there is not a tidal wave of milk
out there. In saying that, we expect that to grow
by one percent from the major exporting countries this year
(11:42):
in twenty twenty five, so the tide is gathering pace,
but we don't think it's going to be a tidal
wave that will overwhelm market so to speak. New Zealand
is probably one of the you know, the areas that
has shown the most growth in recent times. We expect
that to continue. Giving the home of price bookcast here
in New Zealand. We're the permitting but also expecting growth
(12:05):
out of the United States, South America and then also
parts of Europe as well. So the tight global supply
of the last three years has been really helpful. That
tide is starting to turn, and again it's how that
matches up with weak demand that we're really cautious about.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Emma Higgins always good to chat. Great to catch up
with you at field days as well.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
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Speaker 6 (12:36):
Great to have Winston Peters and New Zealand First Leader,
former Deputy Prime Minister kicking off the show in Winston.
I don't want to be ages here, but you've been
around for a long time. The world as we know
is in a constant state of flux. But g it's
unsettled at the moment. And I heard you quoted or
I read about you being quoted, couldn't agree more that
we're in the worst space we've been since the Cuban
(12:58):
missile crisis of nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
Well, the reality is that you know, in post war
the geostrategic circumstance has never been so bad. And what
we do where New Zealands are concerned. Is very important
about being cautious and keeping our counsel and waiting to
see what develops. But you know, you've got all sorts
of people expecting us to do miracles from this far
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away from the center of the strife in the Middle East,
And all I'm saying is that there are circumstances developing
there which I believe will not last as long as
some spect let us think it'll be over. I think
in a couple of weeks, and hopefully that we'll peace
and calm will break out as a consequence.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Well, you're talking about something being over in a couple
of weeks. I'm assuming you're referring Israel Aram. There are
lots of other conflicts around the world that aren't going
to be over in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
Yeah, but that's the current one that's got the concentration
of people at the moment.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Well, you mentioned the people who don't like your foreign
policy or the government's foreign policy. They include former Prime
Minister Helen Clark, who you worked with, Don Brash, former
National Party leader. In fact, you have been quoted as
saying that critics of the government's foreign policy reset are
ill informed and shouting impotently at the clouds. Didn't you
(14:24):
steal that one liner from Chippy who accused you of
being an angry old man shouting at the clouds?
Speaker 8 (14:30):
No, no, he borrowed that from some social media opponent.
But I'm saying that here we've got a circumstance where
on for example, for example, August pillar two, both those
two people, Brash and Clark, that you re cite after
the August twenty one when Justin Adern signed up to
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looking at it all, to studying the possibility of August
pillar two if we were invited. Didn't that word until
after the twenty three election. So for two years they
were out of East silent, and all of a sudden,
all of a sudden, they've got an alarm about what's happened,
And what's happened at this point in time is nothing's happened.
So they have not been updated, they have not been
(15:13):
briefed for sixteen or more years. And I'm just saying
to them, why don't you leave the people who are
in the center of the action, who are getting all
the information to their critical need and upon which you
used to rely when you were associated with foreign affairs.
But apparently not lying about on that information at all.
You're just relying upon your own bias and it might work.
(15:33):
They've talked about China, for example, now a ration with China. Well,
the ambassador for China recently said that our relationships are
in an excellent situation. You see what I mean. So
you've got all this alarmism going on, not justified, and
the unfazed, uneducated media of just carrying this information.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
When was the last time you missed field days? And
you had a pretty good excuse. It wasn't the dog
my homework. It was the fact that you were doing
work for US, trade work for US in France, Rome,
and you did get a bit of a breakthrough in Indonesia.
But going back to my original question, when was the
last time you missed field days?
Speaker 8 (16:13):
I can't remember. I've been going to field days for years.
But you know I was in Newsia at the very
same time signing up to the Halal Deal, which is
big for our farming community and our exports, which we've
been working on for decades. So this is a serious achievement.
Did I get in your headlines? And no, was anybody
in the media concerned about it? No, this is the
first time you're actually hearing about it on your show.
See what's wrong with our country? So you've got all
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the effort to ensure that this dynamic industry called pot
production and reaching our export levels of sixty billion critical
to our future, can go forward, and none of the
positive headlines of any value to the mainstream media.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Now we broadcast at Field Days for three days in
a prime position just inside the main doors of the pavilion.
The biggest the man who drew the biggest crowd, or
the person, let's be politically correct, Winston who drew the
biggest crowd was none other than your Deputy, the Prince
of the Province's Martina Shane Jones. Yet at those said
same Field Days, Federated Farmers came out with their pole
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national rocketing ahead fifty four percent support from the Farmers
Act nineteen New Zealand First eight Labour Greens and to
party Mary got nothing and that's probably deserved. Why aren't
you getting better support from the farmers because I'll give
it to you and Shane, you've been good supporters of them.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Yes, but here's the point. You see on your show
and other shows and provincial radios highly depend upon the
prime production, farming community and all those associated industries. When
did they ever recite the fact that the National Party
he supported by act signed up to the Powis Accord.
Do you remember that it was don Key and Paul
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Bennett that did that? And here the farmers anything about
what it all means, and not even taking any regard
for who put them in that situation. You get my
point now, So all we can do is go out
to the provinces, as we will in the following months,
and pack the halls and tell people the truth.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Part of your election campaign will be to get us
out of Paris. Are you shouting at clouds there?
Speaker 8 (18:20):
No, I'm not saying getting out of Paris. I'm saying
to everybody, hang on, if four countries beginning with sober
thirty percent from China and then India and then Russia
and the United States are not involved in this, on
what possible basis can we think that New Zealand's going
to help or we're going to just do this, sacrifice
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our economy, sacrifice our wealth, sending ourselves to the Third
world without questioning why if we can't get them incorporated?
Are we being bound this way? Why are we not
saying to them all in or you're not in? But no,
we're out here a virtue singing because the whole lot
of lefty shills think this is a good idea, regardless
of the fact that the industries that keep them alive
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are going to be imperiled if we go down that
pathway without questioning what's happening.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Well, I think if the farmers are listening to that,
they might have changed their vote. Hey, just a final word,
perhaps hang right where you go.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
That's my very point. How come they're hearing it for
the first time? Been years on since then went to parison, right,
So here's the point. Why are they hearing it for
the first time? Anyway, better later than never.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Let me just finish on your political adversaries, and there's
been a lot of those over the years. But are
your favorite targets at the moment, they're mine as well.
The Greens and to Party Maury. I saw the Greens
agriculture guy on Jack Tame. Heaven help farming if they
get anywhere near the treasury benches. I think To Party
Maury are even worse. See, I reckon you're going to
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win the selection by default. That is of course, Winston,
unless Labor gets a new leader and you decide to
go with them.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
Oh you see heavy go again. Now you're out there
spreading rumor.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
No I'm not, I'm just putting it out there.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
As Jefrey Farmer saying it, spreading rumor with malice. The
fact of the matter is that the Farming Commute should
understand that in his universe, we've got a very very
strong farming base. We've got critical people like Shane Jones,
like Mike Patterson, like myself will come up a dairy
farm or different farms and know a bit about the
farming community and have always represented and defended them to
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the hilt. That's the only reason why we kept the
Paris under control in the last seventy twenty twenty period.
The moment we've gone it went heywhy so here we
are saying to the National Party and saying that the
two others in Parliament, tell me, how can we achieve
these things if the critical economies are over sixty percent
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of the missions as we speak and are not part
of the process, Just stop virtue singing and look at
our economic future and our chance of recovery being utterly imperiled.
If the people on the left get their way.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Might bottle that. Hey, when you flew home from France
and Indonesia, did you read your Sinder's book? Did you
get a mention?
Speaker 7 (21:09):
No?
Speaker 8 (21:09):
I haven't read the book, and I won't be. I've
seen so many politicians write books, and the extraordinary thing
is how they seek to recorrect history. I can go
through countless politicians books and blow them apart, page by page.
But I'm too busy doing a job for the taxpayer.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Hey, when you finally retire, if that ever, indeed happens,
yours would be a great read.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Well, here's the point. I ask yourself this. If you're
working with college and associates who are keeping private notes
at night, intending to write about the confidential conversations you
had in the day, during those days and during those
weeks of all the time you're working with them, would
you actually trust them?
Speaker 7 (21:50):
Would you share with.
Speaker 8 (21:51):
Them the conference if you knew they were writing a
book about it? Well, I don't think that that's right.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
All right, wee Ston Peter's thanks for your time. I
could chat to you all day. I haven't got all
If there was a chapter on Winston Peters and people
he met at the Green Parrot. I think that would
be a good read. I thank you very much for
your time.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
Now, why did you say that? Part for the fact
is the Green Parrot is a barometer of this country.
A lot of these restaurants are closing down because so
much of the Willington planning as anti business and any car.
That's a local government issue, but it's also a local
government issue allowed by middling central government.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
And we all love the Green Parrot, white buttered bread
and black sauce. You can't pay it, Winston Peter's got
to go.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Thank you.
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Otago farmer, led her off the chain on Wednesday's show,
(23:17):
and she made a good point. She said we should
be more worried about global warring than global warming. We
also talked about the Green Party's fiscal folly, as Jane
called it, released earlier in the week. It's their economic policy,
if you can call it that. And then we finished
by talking ball seventy one thousand dollars worth of black
(23:38):
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Speaker 6 (25:12):
Heard from Winston Peters has another high profile commentator on
the country, Jane Smith, North Otago farmer of course, former
winner of the Balance Farm Environment Awards, which are on tonight.
Hey Jane, just before we get into the issues of
the day, an unscientific poll at Field Days had Jane
and Shane is my most popular correspondence. That's of course
(25:36):
you and the Prince of the Provinces. Should I be worried?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Well, thank you, Jamie. That's almost a compliment, but I'll
take it.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Jamie.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
I don't get many compliments around here, so thank you.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Is that all you've got to say.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
It's about it, Jamie. I mean, I'm just really literally
standing out in the paddock every fortnight. I guess shooting
from the Jamie, which are not quite as articulates as
Shane Jones, but I'm just yeah, I guess at grassroots
from the panic.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
Jamie.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Well, let's get some of that grass root messaging from
the paddock. You reckon, we should be and I'm totally
with you on this. In Winston also spoke about this,
we should be more worried about global warring rather than
global warming.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Oh, absolutely, Jamie. You know, as a trading nation, we
should be very concerned, you know, in terms of the
conflict that that's happening. And we've spent spends to spend
quite too much time on you know, praying at the
aultar of climate change in terms of the Paris Agreement,
and not enough time in terms of actually looking at
that conflict escalation that's happening. So yeah, we should be
(26:39):
very very concerned. And but again Black here in Old
New Zealand, we seem to be apologizing for things that actually,
in the biggest scheme of things are tiny and actually
and actually we're knowing anyway, Winston.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Made a talent comment and he referred to where we
are in the world at the moment as the sort
of the stickiest, most dangerous time since the Cuban miss
crisis when Kennedy and khrush Chief were going head to
head in the early nineteen sixties. You were you weren't
even a twinkle in your father's eye back then, Jane.
But he's putting it into some sort of historic perspective.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
And that is the really concerning thing in terms of
what that might mean again for little old New Zealand
going forward. And so that's why we need to be
as resilient and as robust in terms of our economy
as we can. But instead we seem to be finding
fifty ways to hamstering our own economy. And you know,
I saw, oh, the Green Party's unhinged policy, fiscal policy
(27:35):
or fiscal folly or what fiester, if you want to
call it something else. It was lacking both oxygen and
a grasp of real word reality. And you know, the
Greens has suddenly decided that debt is the way forward.
And I think that suggested something like one hundred and
twenty two percent of GDP would be perfectly fine to
chase for debt. And it's interesting the same day I
(27:56):
heard an interview with Chloe Swarbrick. I heard one with
Richardson and it was chalk and Cheese, Jamie, you know,
when she was talking about dealing to the debt and
deficit and cutting your cloth and having balancing the box, Jamie,
and it was really I don't know, it was just
really cut throat and exactly what we need. So and
that said, I did actually agree with some of the
(28:17):
things that old Steve Abel from the Green Party, and
I actually wonder whether you should get him on your show, actually, Jamie,
because actually he's a reasonably sensible rooster amongst the Socialist
Henhouse and the Green Party.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Okay, well, Jane, you're referring to the Q and a
interview with Jack Tame, which I thought the whole show
was really good. I'm not quite sure whether we can
totally justify Ruth Richardson's Mother of All budgets in the
early nineteen nineties too hard, too fast. But anyhow, going
back to Steve Abel, disagree with literally everything he said
except for the bit about pine trees.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Actually really liked how he talked about the whole story
around healthy nutrition by adversity mosaic landscapes, and the brutal
truth is those of the type of things that we
should be promoting instead of actually, you know, going cap
in hands to the rest of the world saying really
really sorry about our mission profile. Actually that the brutal
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truth is that actually we should have enough courage to
actually be proud of our omission's profile. The fact that
it's food producing and actually something like the Paris Accord
is actually essentially not relevant in that regard, So you know,
it's barely worth the paper it's written on. Yet it
could be costing us billions of dollars and perpetuity for
a reversible land just change. And it's exactly what Steve
(29:32):
Abel was saying, not on the mission emission side of things,
but at the end of the day, the pine tree
plantations are just the symptom of the bigger problem. And
I know that the current coalition have announced, you know,
made their new announcement that was sort of trying to
make up for the impotent one that they made in
December last year, but an effect, it's really just arranging
the dick chairs on the Titanic while the band plays on.
(29:54):
So actually we need to be really really bold about
our pathway forward, so instead of you again spending so
much money. It's funny, isn't it, Jamie. We sent to
scrimp and save in so many areas, so health, education, infrastructure,
but when it comes to a missions reduction, it really
is there's money to swim in and there's a lot
of people set to make a lot of money from
(30:15):
methay mitigation Jamie. And it's a pretty sad state of
affairs that that's the case.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
I agree with you, we shouldn't be cutting any spending
at all on health. But the Green Party, you can't
take them seriously. They would be the death of farming,
a wealth tax and inheritance tax like the British farmers
are facing. Chloe said, we don't live on a monopoly
board land barons. That's people like you, Jane Smith, have
got to get out of jail free card.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Oh well I wouldn't. Yeah again, but they certainly understand
the sheef and beef sector and the low one put sector,
the hill and the high country, and yet sure don't
let them near the checkbook. Absolutely not. But actually so
I went back to their roots, which the original founders
of the Green Party did they actually understand that you
know that we're at a cross in terms of that natural, sustainable,
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biodiversely you know the fact that we're food producing heroes
and what's happening at the moment. Of course, we've got
the corporate, the corporate interference. You know, we've got Nissleigh,
which is essentially a junk food company trying to tell
us what to do, and our I guess our intensive
side of farming is really trying to turn us into
a quasi eu so actually forcing us into feed lots.
(31:23):
So and it's really sad that we've been told to
be quiet about this and actually that we can't have
a upfront debate as a country. We seem to be
looking over our shoulder and saying it's big brother watching.
We better be quiet about this. Actually, lets be really
really honest and say, actually we are different. Our missions
profile is different, and we're really really proud of it
because actually, instead of a point of difference in terms
(31:45):
of our resources, we're actually making it into a pointless difference.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Jamie, talking about emission's profiles, I think yours is going
to go up. When you and Harbi Blair chet off
to the Mediterranean perhaps this winter for a holiday maybe
a yacht trip around the Mediterranean. Off the back of
selling an Angus ball last week, Jane for seventy one
thousand dollars. That's a lot of ball and a lot
(32:09):
of moolah.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I'm not sure about that, Jamie, because I'm actually looking
at the bills on my deec that are waiting for
me at lunchtime to pay, and they're fairly sizable as well.
But you know, we're just pleased that showed the positivity,
not singularly that ball and that's going to a really
great anger start in the North Island, but actually the
fact that she can be farmers are now able to
have some confidence and make some long term decisions on
(32:33):
their farming operations. So now we're pleased. And our average
didn't get too high. Overall, it was just a good
stable sale. And no, Jamie, I won't be going to
the Mediterranean. I'll be lucky to make it to Tour
tet free if Blair's got anything.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
To do with it.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Jamie, Wow, he's a Southland to throw and through to
a tap. He's got a lovely golf course. It's a
beautiful part of New Zealand and Western Southland. Jane Smith
I'll let you go. I know you've got a flat
out afternoon of farming in front of you. Thanks for
some of your time at lunchtime. Get those bills paid
before you head out the door.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
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Speaker 6 (33:10):
So today is Rowena Duncan's last day. We're going to
let her close out the show. But the bloke who
will be replacing Rowena as a replacement for me, we
thought we would swap like for like Jamie McKay for
Hamish mackay, a champion broadcaster of course, famous for his
TV three and rugby commentary days. Hamish, I want to
talk to you today about the Super Rugby Final. How
(33:33):
fizzed up.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Are you I seem?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
After all?
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Jamie?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Thank you. And by the way, there's a further complication
in there, because is it Hamosh Scottish for Jamie as well?
So chee, we're just about one hundred for one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Well we could be doppelgangles. Although you're a bit skinnier
than me now I used to be a bit skinnier
than you, but you've transformed yourself. Oh.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
The wonders of modern surgery had a bit of a
say in that. But yeah, but it's given me my
mojo fact that it wasn't too good. Put it this way,
I would have laughed at about thirty seconds in the
Super Rugby Final with one hundred and thirty five kgs
Now I'm an eighty kg winger.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Yeah, good on you mate, Good to see firing on
all cylinders. Look, okay, I'm going to throw my ideas
at you and I'm going to get you to comment
on them. Now, I just wonder if the Crusaders might
have an advantage in the front row with an all
all black front row. Will the Chiefs loose forwards perhaps
have an advantage over a very good Crusaders loose Ford
trio Will Jordan brilliance? You can never account for that.
(34:32):
But I think the big one for me anyhow, is
Damien McKenzie versus Rivers Rayhannah, And I think Damien McKenzie
might carry the day. What do you say?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
So beautiful? Beautifully put so, I think the front row
really impressive, the progress of a guy like Bolly Norris,
and they've got great competition for their front row positions
in that chief side, but the loose forwards, I think
they cancel themselves out. I think Jacobson is one of
the most underrated footy players going around. So who can
make the Based on what you said there, Jordan or
(35:03):
or d Mac, I think you bang on. I think
that's where that little bit of mercurial influence there, and
that he'll get good enough ball the chief pack or
a great pack. I think it'll be sort of fifty
to fifty up front. He's got that against the young
fuller Ray has come on. It's come on and leaps
and bounds, make no mistake. But yeah, I think that
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that dmac will just because he has that beautiful thing
of a ten, which is opposition guessing as the watch
you're up. There's nothing predictable about the Chiefs. They are
steely out, they'll be, they'll be you know, they just
dropping dropping their bundle into bluesing that first one they
no doubt it would like to have been a fly
(35:44):
on the wall for postmats discussions on that, but yeah,
so it comes down to that. So it's a time
advantage versus d mac.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
Yeah, and I think the other thing is, while Murray Deker,
there's another great sports broadcaster, Hamish used to say, the
first person yet picking your team is the goal kicker.
The next person you pick as you reserve goalkicker. And
at the moment in New Zealand, we haven't got a
better goal kicker in my mind than Damien Mackenzie Rivers
Rahannah Yeah, okay, but unproven at the highest level. So
(36:14):
I think that could also make a big difference. This
could come down to denominations of three points.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, and given the defense of capabilities of both these teams,
I mean they just you know, I mean, obviously their
patterns are fantastic, but it's also the caliber of the
guys that are continually making the tackles and you know,
as you're sure from the Crusaders sucking it up, laid
against the Blues. But yeah, three points. It's kind of
(36:44):
almost come back into fashion, hasn't it. Just you know
it'll be one of those It'll be one of those occasions.
It doesn't look like you're at the moment.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
It sounds like our forty days back in the day.
Always take the three points when they're on off. I
always play with the wind that you're back. Hey, listen,
I've got to go. Thank you very much for your time.
You will be the official fellain we've been Rowena farewell.
Really looking forward to you being the host of the
country when I'm swining off, which will be more frequent
than it has been in the past.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You do that whenever you like you and and I'm
really honest, thank you, jeers, good on you, Hamish, go well, cheers.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
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Speaker 6 (37:33):
Hamish MacKaye wrapping the Best of the Country. This is
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by Rabobank. We're growing a better New Zealand together. How
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I'm a big Scott Barrett and Will Jordan fan, but
Cantabrians need to learn to share the love. They've had
the supertitle enough times. Third time lucky tonight for the
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Chiefs off the back of a brilliant soloperfemanths from Damien McKenzie.
That's how I say it. We'll see if I'm right
sometimes suplace. Next Saturday morning, go to the chiefs. Wave
you with one republic and counting stars for Marto Riki
burned down this river everytime. Hope is for letter work,
make that money, watch it burn. But I'm not that
(38:20):
old young, but I'm not that old. I don't think
the world is soling.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I'm just doing what we're told.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
Here so and so long. You're doing your drahing.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
I could lie, could Mark could lie.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
Everything that drowns me makes me worm.
Speaker 6 (38:43):
I see chin about the things A week could be
Baben havn't hard exce nor more. Counting valleys will be
accounting stars. Plays a scene dreaming about the things A week.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
He could be delay and I'm.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
Being hard, sitting a love county as willy billy counting stars.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Oh take that money, watch it burn, sing in the river.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
The lesser take.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
That money, Watch it burn, sing in the river, the lesson,
O take that body, watch it but sing in the rember.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
The lessons take that moody watch it burn.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
Sing in the rember, the lesser dollar.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Everything that kills me.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
Makes me feel love.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
I've been I'm Lucien sleep dreamt about the things.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
A week could be.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Baby, I've been and I've been playing hard, sending no
more counting brothers will be accounting stars.
Speaker 6 (39:58):
D's a scene treatment about these in.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Two weeks and I'm at home, sitting am counting dots.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
Body.
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take down where they're watching
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