Rabobank Best of The Country: September 13, 2025

Jamie Mackay talks to Ingrid Smith, Blake Holgate, Jane Smith, and Winston Peters.  

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I read a wonderful story over the weekend, and I've
got to give credit to Rebecca Greeves, who's a journalist,
former radio broadcaster. She's with Farmers Weekly, and she wrote
a wonderful story about Ingrid Smith, the other half the
bed half many would say of famous sharer Roland Smith.
But Ingrid, if you don't mind me saying so, and
I don't want to sound patronizing, but you're more than

(00:29):
just a pretty face, because you're a world champion sharer yourself.
And we're going to move back to your face in
just a minute.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Good afternoon, Hey Jamie.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Good for you, well, thank you for taking time to
chat to me today. In true farming fashion, you're on
the end of the hand piece today. You're taking time
out to chat to me while your husband, Roland, world
champion sharer, former world champion sharer eight times Golden Shehar's champ.
He's off drilling peas he is.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
He's sitting under us and the tracker, and I'm in
the wolf's two Kutch and dirty sheep.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
So how does does that work?

Speaker 5 (01:02):
No, I actually don't mind it. I quite like the
physical physical work. You definitely won't find me driving track,
do that's for sure?

Speaker 6 (01:09):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, you with your mother, because this is another wonderful
story as well. In two thousand and nine, you and
your mother Mark Baines set a women's eight hour two
stand lamb sharing world record.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
How cool was that?

Speaker 5 (01:22):
It was probably one of the proudest days of my life.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Not surprisingly, talk to me about your background because your
university educated. I think you met Roland while you were
both sharing overseas, so you've worked in many fields.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
I have.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
Yeah, So when I started, I actually went to school. Sorry,
I went to university after sixth form, and I'd been
working to Risington Breeline in the summers and I sort
of wanted to go into that animal breeding genetics field.
So I studied animal science for three years, and then
straight after that I decided to take a sharp turn
and go sharing for a couple of years. So I

(01:58):
travel to America twice, England twice and Australia once, and
then after that I thought I probably should put my
tens of thousands of dollars worth of the university education
to you. So I got a job with Waggy Breeders,
worked for them for a year, then went to was

(02:18):
the National Bank back then and did two years of
rural banking, and then met Rollie and we were doing
long distance at that stage. He was in hawks Bay
and I was in Rhodor, Uo, so that was quite tough.
And then a job came up with Ravenstown and Hawk's Bay,
so I got that job, moved here and the rest
is history.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Really, Sharing's obviously in the blood.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
It is.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Yeah, both mum and dad sharers. Yeah, both very capable sharers.
So we all, there's five of us children and we
all learned to share in various forms, and some of
us have done it as a job and some of
us just know how to get the wharf.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Well, you talked about Risington and their genetics program. I'd
hate to think what you and Rolli you've come up with,
because you've got what three kids have you? Are they
on the hand piece yet? Are they old enough?

Speaker 5 (03:05):
Not yet? Not yet? I think their time will come.
They are definitely on the broom and on the press,
so that could start, always start at the bottom.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
And this year and she'd I reckon, Yeah, I don't
think sitting around watching television or playing computer games is
on the menu in your house.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
I wouldn't imagine.

Speaker 6 (03:20):
No.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
Unfortunately, not for them. Often I'll pick them up at
the bus stop and I'll be in the ute and
I'll be like, ah, are we going on the farm,
And yep, they're like ah, So there's spent plenty of
time on the farm. I don't always love it, but
they always come along and help.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well, that's their time, A much better use doing that
than sitting in front of a screen. Rebecca Greaves, as
I said in Farmers Weekly, and it's and I'll give
Farmers Weekly a plug. It's a very good publication. It'll
be in the mailboxes this week. And her starting shot
here is wearing lipstick while bringing the lambs and why
not hawks by farmer Ingrid Smith aka the made Up

(03:55):
Farmer is inspiring. KEI we women to look good, feel
good and hold their own on the farm. And that's
why I said, and I didn't mean to sound patronizing Ingrid,
that you're not just a pretty face.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
No, no, I feel like I present myself well every day.
But I also I'm not afraid of getting grubby and
getting sweaty and doing the hard work. I just I
don't some people think that, you know, you can't possibly
wear lipstick or have nail polish and do all the
things you need to do. But I'm struggling to see
the logic.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
In that you've built up quite a large following on
social media as the made up farmer.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
Yes. Yes, so that's been a labor of love. So
I started the makeup business in twenty nineteen, and, as
it says an article, I was a mum of three
young children, had gone from being a professional earning a
paycheck for basically earning nothing, and I just wanted to
be able to help put some money back into our family.

(04:57):
And yeah, over time, I've sort of realized that the
farming content resonates better with my followers. So I just
sort of do entertaining stories about what I'm up to
and do some lips thinking and shed out of some
people who want to tell me I can't do what
I'm doing. So yeah, it's been quite a learning process.
I've learned that I don't like bullies. I don't like

(05:20):
that people can hide behind the keyboard and say things
that they would never say to your face. And I
love entertaining people, like a community of like minded women,
whether it's that they are just on the farm, whether
so we make up on the farm, whatever. I just
a community of women that support each other in doing

(05:41):
awesome stuff as reural ladies.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Tell me about how.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
You got into the lipstick business to start with, because
I think initially your company was called Key We Kisses.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
It was yeah, so I quite like alliteration, and it
was Yeah. The lipstick was the product that got me
into it. So it's called Sense and a friend of
mine in America was showcasing it and she was like,
it just doesn't come off, and I was like, I
can't be real. So I ordered some tried it and
I was like, holy shit, this actually works. And so

(06:14):
it wasn't available in New Zealand at the time. The
company is called Synogym, and so I was emailing the
CEO asking her, you know, could you sell it in
New Zealand She was like, no, We're not doing that.
You know. Fast forward a couple of years they did
launch in New Zealand and I just dived straight in
on the first day because found my name Kiwikiss was
new Zealand. Makeup was kind of the idea behind it.

(06:36):
But yeah, as I say, that's evolved over time from
being someone who wears makeup and is a farmer to
someone who is a farmer who also wears makeup. So
it's kind of evolved into all farming a little bit makeup.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
With your social media profile as the made up farmer,
and you're getting a growing audience. Have you been able
to monetize that yet?

Speaker 7 (06:58):
Not yet?

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Obviously I sailed the product make money out of that.
I did sign up for something the other day, but
I have no idea what I'm doing in that space.
I need someone to tell me how to do that.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Well, there's plenty of bright young things who can tell
you that. You've just got to create the content and
keep grafting. I want to quote something else from this story,
and I know ROLI's I was going to say a
work aholic. That's probably not fair, but he's an absolute grafter,
you don't. I mean, those guys are all freaks, and
you women as well, who do those world record sharing attempts,
You've got to have an unbelievable work ethic. But I'm

(07:30):
just quoting Rebecca yet again. This is when you had
young kids in that ROLLI was working really hard. He'd
get up at two am and share here on the
home farm, come in for a shower at six am,
and then go off sharing elsewhere for the day. Does
he still I know he loves tinkering around with his
toys and diggers and tractors. Does he still do those

(07:53):
sort of ridiculous hours.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
He hasn't this year. Luckily, we're now at the point
where our farming businesses just scaled up so much in
the last two years that we need we need him
here so and he just he can't physically survive doing
those kind of days. He I don't know how he

(08:16):
did it. I don't I honestly he and I don't
mean to sound like I don't know. He's just to me,
he's the hardest working person I know. I've never seen
anyone work so hard. He never complains. He just gets
up and he does what needs to be done, and
I really admire that about him. But he's just he

(08:36):
cannot physically do what needs to be done on the
farm and in the tractors with the twenty four hours
a day, so he's had to give up on those
sort of you know, thirty seven hour day a little.
But during the season, obviously he'll work as hard as
he needs to. But now it's in the short sharpest
season or seasons, I should say, and he's back to

(08:58):
helping me on the On the Handpeaw, So, I know.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
You've got a twenty five hectare home block, you're leasing
another six hundred and seventy five hectares, you're growing peas,
You're doing all sorts of contracting in that. Here's the
question for you. I don't know if you have you
retired from competitive sharing yourself.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
Yes, I have, yeh. I did the Women's of Antiquity
a few years ago, but I just don't do enough
now to be competitive and it's too hard to train
for that kind of thing, which were the kids and
that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Well, I know how incredibly focused he is. We've already
discussed that next year and mastered and correct me if
I'm wrong. Golden Shares and World Championship. Has he got
one more Golden Shares title in him or more importantly,
one more World Championship title in them?

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Now that there is a question I have been asking
him for the last six months, I will tell you
that he's got an entry to the Golden Shares and
that is as much as I know, so I'm just
going to be in behind him whatever he decides to do.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Well, you're both champions, You're both graft as absolutely wonderful,
inspirational Ingrid Smith, thank you very much for your time.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Your business is called the Made Up Farmer.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
People can go online and look you up and buy
some of that lipstick that doesn't wear off at all.
You can look glam on the Farm and read all
about it in Farmers Weekly. I'll give them a shameless
plug because it's a wonderful story.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Great to catch up pleasure, Jamie. Thank you.

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Speaker 3 (10:38):
Welcome back to the Best of the country.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Good morning. My name's Jamie McKay.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Each and every Saturday morning here on News talks'd be
the show's brought to you by Rabobank. We're growing a
better New Zealand together. How good was Ingrid Smith really
enjoyed that interview from Earlier in the week, Blake Holgates
up next to the batter's box talking about rabobank or
the Rabobank. Hey, we harvest food waste survey. We're wasting
less food than we did in twenty twenty three, but

(11:03):
we're still wasting three billion dollars per annum. Some really
interesting numbers also when it comes to comparing food wastage
between GenZ and boomers, between male and female, and between
urban and rural. Jane Smith north Otago Farmer, an award
winning environmentalist, on the fascinating arms race between as she

(11:26):
calls it, Seymour and Winston to claim who thought of
getting out of Paris first? And, as I said earlier,
nose show without punch Winston Peters to wrap the best
of the country? Did you dust off at Barma?

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Speaker 3 (11:49):
Here's an interesting report that has come across my desk.
Kiwis are wasting less of their food now than they
were two years ago. This is one of the findings
from the twenty twenty five Rabobank Key we harvest food
waste survey, but we're still Blake Holgate from Rabobank wasting
about three billion dollars per annum on food that we

(12:13):
don't eat.

Speaker 8 (12:14):
That's right, Jamie. So you know the positive from the
reporters household waste. Food waste has come down from twelve
point two percent of total foods been in twenty twenty
three to ten point eight percent this year. But as
you highlight, Jamie, you know that's three billion dollars of
food that is been purchased and chucked out and that

(12:34):
equates to just over thirteen hundred dollars a household annually.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
If only the entire population was baby boomers like myself,
we would only be wasting six point eight percent of
our food. Gen Z, the young ones, they're wasting seventeen
point eight percent of their food.

Speaker 8 (12:53):
Yeah, it's interesting. So one of the breakdowns who do
on the stats as we moved to each the generations Z,
y X and baby boomers, and it does progressively start
with the younger generations wasting more. Right to reach generational
get at the least, like you say, baby boomers wasting lease,
I will give it to gen Z. They were the

(13:13):
biggest improver in terms of reducing food waste since we
last serve two years ago.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
From a very low base, though, Blake.

Speaker 8 (13:20):
Around twenty eight percent of the food they purchased two
years ago they told us our wasting, and they's dropped
down to approximately seventeen percent.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Another couple of interesting stats I picked up from the survey,
and no surprise here, males waste more food eleven point
five percent compared to females. And this is the other
one is no surprise either. Urban dwellers waste more at
twelve point four percent than the rural counterparts do at
seven point eight percent. So ideally, Blake, what we need
in this country is more a rural based female baby

(13:54):
boomers in.

Speaker 8 (13:56):
Terms of food waste. Jamie, that that may well be
the case. I can't can't comment wider than food waste
and what the survey tells us. But yeah, no, you
did right, reasonly close between the male and female split.
But that's actually a reasonable gap between urban and rural. Well,
it's there.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Average household food spend has only gone up two dollars
in the past two years from two hundred and thirty
eight dollars per week, which isn't much to two hundred
and forty, so effectively blake. Because we've had huge food
inflation in those two years, households have had to cut
back on the amount of food they buy.

Speaker 8 (14:34):
Yeah, I mean that's exactly I think what that step
tells us, Jamie, as you highlight, we noted that period
food price and inflation has been significantly more than the
two dollars a week that households are telling us the
increased they're sped by. So what that tells us is
that the volume of food is one air they've had
to cut down, and a third of respondents did in

(14:56):
fact tell us that they are practicing less food than
they did two years ago.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Reasons most frequently cited for food waste is number one,
food going off before you can eat it forty five percent.
And here's the one that we can definitely improve on
before us by and best before dates thirty three percent.
And I think some of those dates, I guess they've
got to be cautious on them, but we're throwing out
a hell of a lot of food because it's gone

(15:22):
past its best before date or whatever, but it's still
quite edible.

Speaker 8 (15:27):
Yeah, and again it's important to remember the difference between
that the best before date and use by date used
by date as as a food health safety recommendation, so
you know we shouldn't be consuming after a used by date,
but best before data is simply means from a desirability
or you know how fresh it is. It might not

(15:48):
be optimal, but it's still very much consumable and we'll
provide you with the sustenance and nutrients that that food contains.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
So all this is in the twenty twenty five Rabobank
Key we Harvest Food Waste Survey. You can read about
it on the rabobank website. And well done to you
rural dwelling female baby boomers. You're wasting the less food
or the less food of anyone in the country. Hey
Blake Holgate from Rabobank, thanks for your time.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
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Speaker 3 (16:23):
Rabobank is a North Otago farmer, former winner of the
Balance Farm Environment Awards, a name as Jane Smith. Jane,
Today you want to talk, amongst other things, about the
rush to come out of the climate change closet. The
fascinating arms race as you put it between Seymour and
Winston to claim who thought of getting out of Paris first.

(16:43):
They're both on side with that one. Do you reckon
it's going to put a bit of pressure on Christopher Luxen.

Speaker 9 (16:48):
Oh good Athenon Jamy one hundred percent the course it is.
And actually know, it's been fascinating to see the House
of climate change hysteria cards falling, and you know, in
Paris has always been a trojan for that, and it's
really interesting for quite some time those of us that
are spoken up against against Paris and in terms of
what it was going to not only cost the country

(17:09):
and money in terms of five hundred and fifty billion dollars,
but in terms of opportunity cost of real environmental initiatives.
So it's been really interesting now to watch this, you know,
this arms race between politicians to show who thought of
at first. And you know, it's really interesting to also
see some other facets of that happening in terms of
the banks, that zero Banking Alliance essentially collapsing the Ponzi scheme,

(17:33):
so New Zealand taxpayers having to fund a bloated bureaucracy
to the tune of nearly a billion dollars on these
methane mitigation follies. That taxonomy. We've talked about that before
on the show in terms of you know, access to finance.
Unless you tip the un box, you wouldn't be wouldn't
be you'd be finding that difficult to do. You know
that methane set lights twenty seven million dollars lost somewhere

(17:56):
and that was only ever paid for by New Zealand taxpayers.
To find they're all in guest missions in North America
in terms of methane emissions. And you know, we've been
too distracted by Paris, Jamie. And at the same time, food,
fuel and energy costs are going through the roof, and
even more so if we carry on this trajectory, Jamie.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Jane, do we leave Paris or do we try and
renegotiate a deal or are we simply a pimple on
the back side of the rest of the world.

Speaker 9 (18:22):
It's really interesting, Jamie. Though we often talk about ourselves
as a leader and we need to be innovative. The
rest of the world's looking at us, and then we
turn into you know, the sort of anemic sort of
taking an anemic position on something like Paris. And actually,
while the Paris Agreement is legally binding in itself, countries
decided on their own NTC, so that's nationally determined contributions

(18:44):
and so those aren't legally binding. But for some bizarre reason,
we painted ourselves into this punishing food production corner instead
of actually forging our own pathway. So yeah, we need
to actually at the very least amend it. And it's
been fascinating over the last just a few days, actually
Owen Jennings and myself wearing my methane science called hat

(19:05):
and also my Global Farmer around table hat, we've had
some great discussions with the World Sustainable Livestock Association around
the urgency of actually changing the way room in methane
is looked upon in the Paris Accord. And you know
that's desirable not just from a cost and a science
point of view, but actually just for global feuds food security, Jamie,
and so we're going to be working really hard on that,

(19:27):
and just like the Hewoka econoed debate, but on a
much bigger scale. I mean, politicians and our farming leaders
can either join us on that or we're just going
to forge on ahead and make a difference Jamie. And
so that's all of those you know, farmers are involved
in that, and the likes of the ground spell guys
and methane science are called, et cetera. So to have
some alliance globally on that is really great, and that's

(19:49):
what we've been looking for for some time. So onwards
and upwards. And I'm really really excited that. The other
thing is it means that we're actually focused back on
our naturally pasture rays production instead of this ridiculous pathway
of methane boluses and vaccines and feed editors. Because again,
what we should be most scared of is losing our

(20:10):
naturally raised status Jamie, more than anything, not whether the
Paris Agreement sits behind that or not.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
Jamie.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Let's go to the cold face on the North Otago farm.
You're getting a bit dry. You've hardly had any rain
over winter, which is often when you replenish, because it
could be with Larninia, if Larnini's coming that you could
get a dry summer on the east coast of both islands.

Speaker 9 (20:33):
Yeah, we certainly could, Jamie. I mean things are looking
good and stock are certainly very healthy. Going into Lemming
and Lemming's about to start agains on most of the
hills around here in the next sort of two to
three weeks. But I think we're on our tenth day
of a Norwiesta today and this statistically proven that the
divorce rate increases during the NORWESTA. So this morning on
the farm, while I've been working with Blea, I've had

(20:54):
the solicitor on speed dial. But the great thing is
actually about the norwesta Jamie, as I've learnt to stand
upwind from Blair and then I cannot hear what he's
yelling at me. I can only just see his body
language and his sign language, and neither of them were
very good, Jamie. But again we are tending to get
quite dry. We've had pretty much. I think we've only

(21:15):
had eighteen miles since the end of June, of which
we've got a lot of rain then. So we're looking
forward to the next shower, Jamie. There is some of
the forecast in the next couple of weeks, but yeah,
we'll certainly be looking.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Out for that.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Just a final comment from you on another Smith, not
Jane Smith, that's you Ingrid Smith you listened to earlier
in the week on the country and like a lot
of people, you were most impressed. She's a very impressive woman.
They're a very impressive family, and you were vicariously claiming
a connection with the Smith family because you've got Roland
Smith's hand piece.

Speaker 9 (21:47):
Yeah, it's a bit of a long boat as to
all that, wasn't it, Jamie. I think it was just
one of the ones that he none of the many
that he would have won in a competition. I ended
up buying it, knew, but I certainly don't do it
that much justice the way that I use it in
my very rough and very slow crutching technique. But yeah,
Ingrid is amazing. I've followed her on social media for
quite some time and I actually tend to realize until

(22:08):
the other day when you had her on ear that
she was married to Roland. And you know, she's classy,
she's hard working, she's everything that's you know, I guess
rural people are. And you know, unlike myself, Jamie, she
actually looks because she wears lipstick and looks good out
in the farm, whereas I look like something more like
one of the top ones after a hard night out.

(22:28):
But no offense. The top ones love them dearly but
you know, like I just find her you're fascinating. And again,
all of these connections that are made on social media,
and there's so many examples of that, are really connecting
urban people and global people with what's happening on the farm,
and you know, things that we think are very every
day and very mundane people find fascinating Jamie. And again

(22:50):
that's the connection with food and connecting people back to
the rural grassroots of farming. And I think that's really important.
So thank you to Ingrid and I I think she
would probably be a really good replacement for me on
the Farm Show, Jamie. I think she's a much more
dynamic than old Smashah Smith.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
I get what the times were called the country these days, Jane.
That shows you how long you've been on the show.
Maybe I could have a miss or I was going
a mister and Missus Smith panel. That would be one idea.
Or I could have Jane and Ingrid not the Top Twins,
the Smith Twins. Anyhow, Jane, look, I hope you get
some rain on your North Otago farm.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Thanks as always for your time.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
Thanks Jamie.

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Winston Peters is the New Zealand first leader, former Deputy
Prime Minister Winston Today is nine to eleven New Zealand time.
I realize it's tomorrow, American time, twenty four years on.
What do you reflect back on? Where were you? What
were you doing?

Speaker 7 (25:07):
I'm getting ready to go to work. Where my colleague
Ron Mark, former MP and now mayor of Cartans ranged
me to say that it happened and I found it absolutely.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Incredible talking about horrible things happening in the United States.
We had the assassination of right wing youth activists Charlie Kirk,
fears of more political violence see the world's in an
unstable place at the moment.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
Winston Peters, look, it's a tragedy.

Speaker 7 (25:35):
But I don't know why people are describing him as
a right winger. The fact is he was out there
at universities and also over campuses, talking openly to people,
encouraging free debate. Here on both sides of the story,
he was always courteous, He's always manling and is worth watching.
And to have him to described as you know, right
wingers though somehow that justifies this assassination. I know you've

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met it of what other people have, but I dispute that.
I think that in a democracy people have appeared to
hear beside the story very critical, that's the very nature
of it. So yes, it's a sad, very very very
sad event.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
We are getting more extreme on either side of the
political divide. We're heading further to the right and further
to the left. And I think back to when you
entered Parliament. It was kind of national and labor and
a bit of social credit thrown and for good measure, yes, But.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
In those days, you know, it was understood that the
politics was a place where people had serious passions about
what they believed, and so the debate could be very
very heated. But when it was over, the difference was
we leave the room and you were back there having

(26:48):
a lunch or or having a chat with your opponent.
Off we realized that it was the debating where the moderbatter
started and that's where it was left. But of later,
of course I've come with the different attitude. It's twenty
four to seven of hatred and sadly not a willingness
to have the debate, or how shall I put if
you're going to put one powerful argument, you should prepare

(27:10):
to hear another one from the other side if they're
able to munt one. That's what's been lost.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Now let's have a look at what you've been up
to in the past week and New Zealand first gathering
of the Faithful and Parmeister north of thousand there. Your
big policy announcement was around key we Saver and I
think everyone would probably agree that ten percent would be
an ideal level to get contributions to. You have said
that it will be funded via tax cuts, but you

(27:36):
haven't costed this.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Nook.

Speaker 7 (27:39):
The reality is, how can you cost it when you've
got and it just came out yesterday, So many who
have signed up for key we Save not actually saving.
This is the first time there's been a decline. This
is the very last announcement made just yesterday. So we've
got the thing at the right time. And when you
say costed it, I'm saying to people, look at the

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cost of not doing it. I came here. I came
into politics in my first interest when I was a
young lawyer fifty years ago, when there was a Labor
Party plan which admittedly had two serious defects women in
the name because they weren't in the workforce, and then
volumes they are now were not included, and the maturity
time was so light. But instead of saying across party

(28:24):
lines on National's part, look we'll fix it, they got
rid of it. They said it some sort of communist plot.
They own their own country, the same sort of plan
that saw Singapore when Temasek have so much asset wealth
ownership in Singapore and indeed around the world. So the
trillion dollars we could have saved is not there. And
my point is you can't afford not to do it.

(28:46):
And the second thing is when I hear an economic agster,
let's say, mister Appearings's going to cost between twelve and
twenty eight billion dollars right then, he doesn't know what
on earth he's talking about. Nobody would have spread that wide,
has got any ability to do the calculation. But my
point is we can't afford not to do it. Here
we are fifty years on and we need to address it.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Why have you got your head still in the sand
over the age of eligibility for National super I know
you're bar back at that, but it would seem obvious
to a blond man winstant Peters, that we cannot afford
to keep it at sixty five years of age.

Speaker 7 (29:20):
Yes, and here you go, you're just accepting that the
party you've backed and less technomic failures in this neo
liberal experiment of Ruth Richison has not been successful. And
therefore the economy that can easily afford five percent if
it was running properly, can't because it's not running properly. Now,
let's get the economy fixed up and not trying to
bland other people. Look, let me tell you this. A

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new zeal superhuation was made for everybody so that everybody
would be equal. Who, after some cases forty five years
of hard work, when titled to retire with some dignity
and grace. We said so. Then we've even raised it
from twenty to twenty five, sixty to sixty five. And
now you start saying the same thing over again, because

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instead of addressing your own failures as politicians, that is
running us better and much high performing economy, which we
should do and which we once did. You remember the
Health in days a barely layer party, and then then
the National Party in the forties and the fifties, where
we were tripping along a GDP growth of five and
a half percent year upon year upon year. We met
ourselves within the top two or three economies in the world.

(30:25):
We were voted to be the best Monday colmy in
the world nineteen fifty two.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Nineteen fifty two. As you well know, Korean wall boom
unhindered access to mother England. They would take everything we
could produce. We live in different times.

Speaker 7 (30:39):
No, no, no, no, no, you did well until he
said that, because after the three and war was over.
Then what's your spins nation? Fifty seven, fifty eight, sixty
sixty one, sixty three, sixty five, all the way sixty nine,
what's your explanation now?

Speaker 8 (30:52):
No Korean War?

Speaker 7 (30:53):
Then no, no, sorry. Look, every time you try and
say how Wan isn't successful, they say things like the
there or when you say poor assists say oh, it's
their location. Or when you talk about on are they're
in the EU? Oh yes, and so all the rest
of the country in the EU. But the island was
for many years after the early eighties a standout success story.
They went to the bottom. They decided, will do We'll

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start duplicating what countries like Taiwan or Tim's like Taiwan
and Singapore are doing it much to their serious credit.
We've got a good rep and ownership and up to
our failures for goodness sake, and only then can we
start getting it right.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Okay, just want to finish on. One of my correspondents
yesterday talked about the rush to come out of the
climate change closet, the fascinating arms race between Seymour and
Peters to claim who thought of getting out of Paris first?

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Who did think of that first?

Speaker 7 (31:46):
I wish you guys in the mainstream you to do
some home. We'll go and look at it. No, no,
don't laugh. Go and looked at the third reading, right,
Go and look at the third reading that brought this
matter into legislation as a result of the National Party
sending Bennett over to Paris to sign up. And there
is no non vote, there's no demur So the first

(32:09):
person that that raised it recently was me in an
interview on the thirty first of January this year. I said, look,
if four nations China, India, USA and Russia are not
part of it in the sixty percent of the missions,
how can we not be questioning whether this is bible anymore.
I raised the issue and guess what imitation's the most

(32:32):
sincere form of flattery outcomes another party and start saying
the same thing. Go and look at the chronology. I'll
give you ten thousand dollars to bet that I'm right
and that somebody else is in imitation mode? Are you
disputing it? No, you're not. So here's some facts there.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
So you thought of it first?

Speaker 7 (32:48):
There, Well, of.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Course you and David can be friends.

Speaker 7 (32:53):
Look, no, no, look, let me tell you. We expect
in politics to make your contribution with your own insight,
internal thinking. You cannot progress if you seen some other
colleague a party with a better writing you started to
set it and claim it as yours. Because it just
won't work. It doesn't work towards good, foolish and arrangements.

(33:14):
But I realize that some people are new in their
inexperience and they've got a lot to learn.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
What dictates you being a member of the mainstream media?
And is that an insult if you are a member
of the maindstream media.

Speaker 7 (33:26):
No, it's not. There are some seriously good people in
the mainstream media. But in my and having analyzed it
as their producers and the people behind them who are
not letting them do the job of it, not giving
them time and resources for proper research and investigative journalism.
I don't just blame the mainstream media. I'm saying that
people behind them are not the mind quality sentence that
we were once proud of. I can recall a press

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gallery in this country used to be the pinnacle of
the profession. Now they've got people turn a turtle out
of journalism school. It won't do. We're talking about an economy,
we're talking about politics, something that put twenty four seven
controls everybody's life. So we better have a this and
report what's going on. That's all I'm trying to say
to you. Present company accepted, Well.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Thank you. What are you going to do with Stuart
Nash quick final question?

Speaker 7 (34:14):
Well, he's apologized for making a mistake. He realizes it
was a bit of a clanger.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Though I know that you that you're you've got impeccable
manners and etiquette. You would never ever utter that from
your lips.

Speaker 7 (34:27):
It's a clanger. But as I said to him when
he called me up to I said, thinking that's something
when you get out of pology at all reaction and
don't realize its studentcy and everything that's important. So if
you want to be back in the political game, then
the rules apply, and they apply now. But he apologize
and full. I said to him, I think the person

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you're most worried about what your wife thinks. And he
said yes. I said, are you on? Are you living
on the counts for the next month or worth that effect?
Now he's got it. People make mistake However, this is
the good part. He freely opened up to and apologized unreservedly.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Winston Peters, thanks for your time today on the country.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
No, thank you, good luck the best of the Country
with Rabobank.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Choose the bank with a huge network of progressive farming clients, Rabobank.

Speaker 6 (35:26):
Cloud.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Winston Peter's wrapping the Best of the Country. Good morning,
My name's Jamie McKay. Each and every Saturday morning here
on news Talk zaid B, we play the best bits
of our weekday show twelve to one courtesy of Rabobank.
We're growing a better New Zealand together. Enjoy the rest
of your weekend. We've got the Wars and the Test
to look forward to today tomorrow, My South and Stags

(35:48):
I still love you, guys, even though you lost the shield.
I'm going to leave you with one of my favorite
nine to eleven songs, this one from the Eagles, Whole
in the world.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Day a hocking beeple bees, so place.

Speaker 6 (36:08):
Birds tonight, there's a cloud of beef. There's able birds tonight.
Don't let that be a.

Speaker 8 (36:26):
Bird out.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
Oh, they tell me there's a place, so n go
out a run and do the n and say.

Speaker 9 (36:43):
U.

Speaker 6 (36:43):
Until we learn to love one another, we will never
reach the proms. The's a bird tonight. There's a cloud,
so there's a boom.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
To night.

Speaker 10 (37:09):
Don't let that.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
Be a.

Speaker 6 (37:13):
World. There's a hole, he say, any angers tyer, it's
a black cloud. They say it's just a sport.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
A man.

Speaker 10 (37:29):
Of this batting of a who will be annoyed day
in de boys.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Of a home in the world, tune night home in.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
Wars, a cloud of fear and spear.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
And sad hole in the world.

Speaker 6 (37:54):
To night on Lemmy in the world, there's as cloud
cloud so be's.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Like, don't let de do'bology.

Speaker 6 (38:26):
There's a cloud a cloud, so that's ah, don't let
de bes as a clouds So there's a probably be

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proof the reject. Don't let them, don't look. There's a
there's so