September 1, 2025 • 7 mins
The co-founder of Groundswell applauds Seymour's decision. But what about Fonterra's?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now a man who was lapping up no doubt everything
that David Seymour said as the co founder of Groundswell
West Otago dairy Farmer these days Bryce Mackenzie and the
old Daisy was the sheep farmer. Bryce, You'll be glad
you're not out lambing in this weather. Good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yes, it's pretty jolly wet and cold most part of
the country, I'll tell you that, Jamie. So yeah, I'm
pretty happy carving's about finished.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
You've had a pretty good run in the Deep South though,
compared to other parts of the country. So look September
and Southland and Southwest Otago. You're always going to get this.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, it's been great, Jamie. I just feel the barely
lambers they'll be feeling it a bit today.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
And Seymour's comments warm the cockles of your heart. Paris
needs to change on New Zealand needs to leave. I
don't even know why I'm asking you this question.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh well, you don't really need to, Jamie. I think
it is great for New Zealand farmers and for New
Zealand generally. To be quite honest, people don't realize how
much that this parish agreement is destroying us A. And
you know, probably the only problem we have is that
the whole thing needs to be gone simply because at
(01:13):
some stage we're going to end up for the change
of government and they're going to start running in the
same policies again using the Paris Agreement as something to
hide behind this who are going to say they're obliged
to do it? So you know, we believe it needs
to be gone completely because there's not good for us.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, the like Sir Miles Hurrell, Dan Dan Bolton at
silver Fern Farms would be two guys just off the
top of my head who would strongly disagree with you.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, there's a point, and you know we've never said
that there won't be a cost, Jamie, but the costs
going to be there one way or another if we
don't meet our targets, which we're definitely not going to
and we all know that. And now there's been a
call ruling saying that we have to take these targets seriously.
That will be repercussions we're going to have to pay anyway.
(02:07):
So there's going to be costs, see the way, and
nobody's done to cost analysis, which is going to cost
the country.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Lest are you surprised, sorry, are you surprised in the
change in rhetoric from David Seymour, Because a few months
ago on this show, when I asked him, he was
a watered down version definitely of today. He said something
like eventually the cost of staying and will exceed the
cost of the penalty for getting out. He's got onto
the front foot. He smacked this one straight back over
the bowler's head.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, look, we're pleasantly surprised by his forthrightness. Jamie. I'd
have to say that we didn't expect this to come.
We knew there was an announcement coming, didn't expect them
to go as far as they have. Maybe a good
compromise in the finish. We'll wait and see. But you know,
when you get Beef and Lamb with its latest analysis
(02:56):
saying that there's another six hundred and fifty thousand hectares
going into pines by twenty fifty, that's food production that's
going off shore. And if this is all about a missions,
if you believe this is all about a missions, then
those missions are going to a less efficient country than
New Zealand. So you know, there's so many holes in
(03:17):
the powers agreement you give them drive a bus through. Well.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Some of the feedback on the text line Bryce Jamie
write someone that guy referring to Seymour doesn't understand what
he's talking about. A dairy farmer here who thinks Miles
Hurrel and co know their markets? That's one text Another
one saying net zero is gross stupidity, and another one
saying once again, David Seymour's got it right on the
(03:43):
climate hoax. CO two is plant food as every farmer
should know.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yes, and we've got a Will Haffer coming out from
America and December who will be able to talk to
people around New Zealand exactly on that subject. So yeah,
it's going to be interesting Jamie.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Well, it's an agreement session. I wasn't going to get
anything else from you on that. Bryce. Or do you
talking about Fonterra and Miles Hurrell and those guys? Are
you you you supply Fontira?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Don't you no open country supplier? Jamie?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Oh you're an open country supplier. Well you're going to
have a dairy factory closer.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
To where you farm, yes, exactly, Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Sorry I thought you were a Fonterra supply do you
agree with their decision to sell their consumer brains?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well, I mean I've got to be a little bit careful,
but no, I don't. I think it's short slided us.
But that's just my opinion.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Jamie Bryce, I know that back back in the day
you were a useful rugby player. You might have even
had a run for Otago.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Did you did, Jamie?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Very fast wing, a very quick on your feet. Well,
there's another great rugby personality in West Otago called Graham
Parnell Edgar. You know Graham, everyone knows. He sent me
some of the best rugby trivia I've ever seen. And
you know, when it comes to boring people with rugby trivia,
I'm right up there. Not as boring as Parnell, but
right up there. We were talking yesterday about James Ward,
(05:07):
who's got the heave hoo from Pamu running Molesworth. His dad,
Ron Ward, played Tess rack match. Rugby is a ford
and a back and this is Parnell's trivia. Listen to this.
Ron Ward was in the last Springbok team nineteen thirty
seven that lost to the spring Box at Eden Park.
(05:30):
They lost seventeen to six and the spring Box won
that series two to one. Fifty eight thousand people. This
is Eden Park nineteen thirty seven, eighty eight years ago.
Fifty eight thousand which was a record attended the match.
Now here's the wonderful piece of trivia. They had a
flanker called w E. Bastard from the tar. He was
(05:54):
also known as Ebbo Bastard. Now he predominantly played Bryce
as a flanker. He scored two tries in the series
against the All Blacks and nineteen thirty seven. But on
the fourteenth of February nineteen forty nine, this is eleven
years later, he was shot dead by his wife's ex husband.
(06:16):
I'll be a bastard of an end forever.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I mean Graham could come up with that sort of trivia.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, because when he said the last Springbok team to
beat us at Eden Park, and I'm a rugby tragic
and I'm thinking nineteen fifty six, Peter Jones, I'm absolutely
bugger at the All Blacks won the series and the
Fourth Test. Remember the flower Bomb Test in eighty one.
You would have been playing there, Huey kicking the penalty
at the end of the game. And I was at
the last Springbok Touring Test when they had decent tours
(06:49):
back in nineteen ninety four, and Shane Howarth kicked six
penalty goals, we had an eighteen all draw. Most boring
game of rugby I've ever been to.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
There you go. I remember who was that that got
hit by the flower box?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Well, Gary Knight, he's a man or two Kelcocky. So yeah,
there's there's rugby connections everywhere. Okay, Bryce, Well, thanks for
some of your time and I do hope the weather
improves a bit in West Otago for you.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah. Thanks, Jamie,
Now a man who was lapping up no doubt everything
that David Seymour said as the co founder of Groundswell
West Otago dairy Farmer these days Bryce Mackenzie and the
old Daisy was the sheep farmer. Bryce, You'll be glad
you're not out lambing in this weather. Good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yes, it's pretty jolly wet and cold most part of
the country, I'll tell you that, Jamie. So yeah, I'm
pretty happy carving's about finished.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
You've had a pretty good run in the Deep South though,
compared to other parts of the country. So look September
and Southland and Southwest Otago. You're always going to get this.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, it's been great, Jamie. I just feel the barely
lambers they'll be feeling it a bit today.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
And Seymour's comments warm the cockles of your heart. Paris
needs to change on New Zealand needs to leave. I
don't even know why I'm asking you this question.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh well, you don't really need to, Jamie. I think
it is great for New Zealand farmers and for New
Zealand generally. To be quite honest, people don't realize how
much that this parish agreement is destroying us A. And
you know, probably the only problem we have is that
the whole thing needs to be gone simply because at
(01:13):
some stage we're going to end up for the change
of government and they're going to start running in the
same policies again using the Paris Agreement as something to
hide behind this who are going to say they're obliged
to do it? So you know, we believe it needs
to be gone completely because there's not good for us.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, the like Sir Miles Hurrell, Dan Dan Bolton at
silver Fern Farms would be two guys just off the
top of my head who would strongly disagree with you.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, there's a point, and you know we've never said
that there won't be a cost, Jamie, but the costs
going to be there one way or another if we
don't meet our targets, which we're definitely not going to
and we all know that. And now there's been a
call ruling saying that we have to take these targets seriously.
That will be repercussions we're going to have to pay anyway.
(02:07):
So there's going to be costs, see the way, and
nobody's done to cost analysis, which is going to cost
the country.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Lest are you surprised, sorry, are you surprised in the
change in rhetoric from David Seymour, Because a few months
ago on this show, when I asked him, he was
a watered down version definitely of today. He said something
like eventually the cost of staying and will exceed the
cost of the penalty for getting out. He's got onto
the front foot. He smacked this one straight back over
the bowler's head.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, look, we're pleasantly surprised by his forthrightness. Jamie. I'd
have to say that we didn't expect this to come.
We knew there was an announcement coming, didn't expect them
to go as far as they have. Maybe a good
compromise in the finish. We'll wait and see. But you know,
when you get Beef and Lamb with its latest analysis
(02:56):
saying that there's another six hundred and fifty thousand hectares
going into pines by twenty fifty, that's food production that's
going off shore. And if this is all about a missions,
if you believe this is all about a missions, then
those missions are going to a less efficient country than
New Zealand. So you know, there's so many holes in
(03:17):
the powers agreement you give them drive a bus through. Well.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Some of the feedback on the text line Bryce Jamie
write someone that guy referring to Seymour doesn't understand what
he's talking about. A dairy farmer here who thinks Miles
Hurrel and co know their markets? That's one text Another
one saying net zero is gross stupidity, and another one
saying once again, David Seymour's got it right on the
(03:43):
climate hoax. CO two is plant food as every farmer
should know.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yes, and we've got a Will Haffer coming out from
America and December who will be able to talk to
people around New Zealand exactly on that subject. So yeah,
it's going to be interesting Jamie.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Well, it's an agreement session. I wasn't going to get
anything else from you on that. Bryce. Or do you
talking about Fonterra and Miles Hurrell and those guys? Are
you you you supply Fontira?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Don't you no open country supplier? Jamie?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Oh you're an open country supplier. Well you're going to
have a dairy factory closer.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
To where you farm, yes, exactly, Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Sorry I thought you were a Fonterra supply do you
agree with their decision to sell their consumer brains?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well, I mean I've got to be a little bit careful,
but no, I don't. I think it's short slided us.
But that's just my opinion.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Jamie Bryce, I know that back back in the day
you were a useful rugby player. You might have even
had a run for Otago.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Did you did, Jamie?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Very fast wing, a very quick on your feet. Well,
there's another great rugby personality in West Otago called Graham
Parnell Edgar. You know Graham, everyone knows. He sent me
some of the best rugby trivia I've ever seen. And
you know, when it comes to boring people with rugby trivia,
I'm right up there. Not as boring as Parnell, but
right up there. We were talking yesterday about James Ward,
(05:07):
who's got the heave hoo from Pamu running Molesworth. His dad,
Ron Ward, played Tess rack match. Rugby is a ford
and a back and this is Parnell's trivia. Listen to this.
Ron Ward was in the last Springbok team nineteen thirty
seven that lost to the spring Box at Eden Park.
(05:30):
They lost seventeen to six and the spring Box won
that series two to one. Fifty eight thousand people. This
is Eden Park nineteen thirty seven, eighty eight years ago.
Fifty eight thousand which was a record attended the match.
Now here's the wonderful piece of trivia. They had a
flanker called w E. Bastard from the tar. He was
(05:54):
also known as Ebbo Bastard. Now he predominantly played Bryce
as a flanker. He scored two tries in the series
against the All Blacks and nineteen thirty seven. But on
the fourteenth of February nineteen forty nine, this is eleven
years later, he was shot dead by his wife's ex husband.
(06:16):
I'll be a bastard of an end forever.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I mean Graham could come up with that sort of trivia.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, because when he said the last Springbok team to
beat us at Eden Park, and I'm a rugby tragic
and I'm thinking nineteen fifty six, Peter Jones, I'm absolutely
bugger at the All Blacks won the series and the
Fourth Test. Remember the flower Bomb Test in eighty one.
You would have been playing there, Huey kicking the penalty
at the end of the game. And I was at
the last Springbok Touring Test when they had decent tours
(06:49):
back in nineteen ninety four, and Shane Howarth kicked six
penalty goals, we had an eighteen all draw. Most boring
game of rugby I've ever been to.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
There you go. I remember who was that that got
hit by the flower box?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Well, Gary Knight, he's a man or two Kelcocky. So yeah,
there's there's rugby connections everywhere. Okay, Bryce, Well, thanks for
some of your time and I do hope the weather
improves a bit in West Otago for you.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah. Thanks, Jamie,
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