September 1, 2025 • 7 mins
"The only party that opposed the Zero Carbon Act is now calling for a better deal from Paris,” says the Act Leader as the Party released its position statement on climate today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today's big news story. The release hot off the press.
I've barely had time to read it from the ACT Party,
ACT Party leaders said. David Seymour says the only party
that opposed the Zero Carbon Act is now calling for
a better deal from Paris, and he says Paris needs
(00:20):
to change or New Zealand needs to leave. That's welcome
the ACT Party leader and Deputy Prime Minister onto the country.
Are you just mirroring your just copycatting Winston Peter's here, David.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well, the best indicator of future performance is past performance.
The only party that opposed to Zero Carbon Act when Labor,
the Greens and New Zealand first or brought it in
was ACT, where the only party that has been consistent
(00:54):
on issues like oil and gas. So people can make
up their mind based on what people say, but the
party is very happy to be judged on what we do,
and all through the history of this issue we're being
crystal clear of it. There's no point taxing food, there's
(01:14):
no point signing up to things that we can't afford,
and there's no point forcing New Zealand agriculture offshore so
that our current customers can buy food from other farmers
who actually omit more. That's a loss for the planet
and a loss for the farmers and ultimately the New
(01:35):
Zealand economy who right now are keeping the shop open.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
What do you say to high profile and smart agribusiness leaders,
the likes of Miles Hurral, chief executive of Fonterra, who
said it would be a big mistake if we ditched Paris.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, hester all, I've sat down with Miles and discussed
this with him. He has the view that he needs
to source helk solids produced in a certain way to
please certain customers in Europe, and I completely respect that.
I'm not taking away his ability to do so. There's
(02:12):
lots of people in New Zealand agriculture who innovate and
do things differently to come up with a product that
satisfies their customer. So I would say the hallmark of
New Zealand agriculture for the last two generations. However, it's
not true that's because one person has a strategy in
the market, all of us should be compelled to do it,
(02:35):
often at costs of their livelihoods. So I actually think
we need to be really clear. Paris is back on
the table. Paris agreement is like a bad boyfriend. Either
it's got to change, stop the abuse, or we're going
to leave. And those changes look like a split gas approach,
no tax on food, and more realistic emission targets that
(02:58):
are more in line with what the rest of the
world actually doing, not what they say they're going to do.
Once again, the best indication of future performances past performance
saying you should look up not what people say, but
what they do. Well.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
When it comes to the Coalition, Winston Peters is a
bit like a bad boyfriend for you. You do have
your moments now, but now that the two of you
have cat, you're basically ganging up on the nets on
this one.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I don't think your audience want that vision.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well perhaps they don't. He's a good looking man, though, David,
albeit he's too old for you. But anyhow, are you
going to your taste? Are you? I come on, dapper, dapper,
blue pin stripe navy suit. Are you going to think you? No? No,
your audience, Yes, I probably should. I'm heading down the
wrong path. Let's get the conversation back on track. Are
(03:46):
you and Winston going to gang up on the nets?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Well, it's pretty straightforward. The people. Actually what matters here.
You're you're talking about politicians. Well, I'm saying to people
who are out there. If you're in the front line
of the New Zealand economy, if you're milking cows or
sowing wood, then you are already seeing what people in
urban New Zealand are feeling, and that is that climate
(04:12):
commitments are starting to bite. For a long time, you know,
we could both go to heaven as New Zealanders. We
could feel that we were good people and that we
were sustainable because we had lots of hydro, lots of
geo thermal, and yet we could go to heaven, but
we didn't have to die, meaning we didn't have to
(04:32):
sacrifice having the lights on or have a heavy industry.
We could actually have it all. Now we're facing a
very different reality, and as reality bites, we're going to
have to put Paris and the zero carbonacs back on
the table. And having held this position for as long
as these issues have existed, I think ACT is in
a very good position to represent people who share these concerns.
(04:56):
And after we listen to the voters, then you can
talk about the politicians. I just make the case that
we're a credible choice for the voter.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So you'll be going to the election next year along
with New Zealand. First, we're going to kick Paris to touch.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Simple as that, Well, they can speak for themselves. All
I would say is that we have the enormous advantage
of not having brought into it at any time. And
I think that for people who are asking, well, you know,
what's the credible passway here? If we want to never
(05:28):
have labor in again and never have something like zero CARBONAC,
the Party can make a clear claim to consistency on
these issues.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Are you guys prepared to sacrifice those high yielding European markets?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, I don't believe for a moment that we have
to do that. Miles Hurrell, for example, and I have
to say, enjoy sitting down with them. But what he's
basically saying is I can't succeed unless everybody else is
pulled to the same level. And I don't believe that's true. Actually,
up and down New Zealand, people in the primary industries
(06:06):
are innovating their product to suit their customer and they
don't rely on everyone else in the country to do
exactly the same thing. First, in fact, really innovation is
the opposite of that.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Where to from here regarding this policy.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, we're going to be looking at where the rest
of the world is going, because I do agree that
simply pulling out today would have some pretty serious impacts.
But you watch over the next year. I think the
rest of the world is shifting. I think we should
be reaching out to like minded countries who are exposed
with a lot of methane and their emissions profile. And
(06:43):
that's not just South American companies with a lot of bovines.
It's also a lot of Southeast Asian companies country sorry,
with a lot of rice that also emits a lot
of methane. And we should be saying, look, there's got
to be a coalition of the willing around the world
who are prepared to have a different conversation about Paris.
And if we can't get that, then I think it
(07:06):
might be time for us to leave.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
David just to wrap it. Some people on the text
line agreeing with you here, I do agree that their
Paris a court is just tulip trading and needs to change.
It's a Ponzi scheme. And that is of course regarding
the tulip You know what that the trading drama that.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Happened many so the biggest bubble happened.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yes, the trading scheme in the Netherlands. And here's another one.
It needs to be noted that in the meat industry,
the most profitable companies are not those involved in this
climate agrizero nonsense. They are the private companies who get
out and sal our meat, not virtue signaling loss making
twats so that person is not pulling any punches. David Seymour, look,
(07:51):
thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Thank you you have a great day.
Today's big news story. The release hot off the press.
I've barely had time to read it from the ACT Party,
ACT Party leaders said. David Seymour says the only party
that opposed the Zero Carbon Act is now calling for
a better deal from Paris, and he says Paris needs
(00:20):
to change or New Zealand needs to leave. That's welcome
the ACT Party leader and Deputy Prime Minister onto the country.
Are you just mirroring your just copycatting Winston Peter's here, David.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well, the best indicator of future performance is past performance.
The only party that opposed to Zero Carbon Act when Labor,
the Greens and New Zealand first or brought it in
was ACT, where the only party that has been consistent
(00:54):
on issues like oil and gas. So people can make
up their mind based on what people say, but the
party is very happy to be judged on what we do,
and all through the history of this issue we're being
crystal clear of it. There's no point taxing food, there's
(01:14):
no point signing up to things that we can't afford,
and there's no point forcing New Zealand agriculture offshore so
that our current customers can buy food from other farmers
who actually omit more. That's a loss for the planet
and a loss for the farmers and ultimately the New
(01:35):
Zealand economy who right now are keeping the shop open.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
What do you say to high profile and smart agribusiness leaders,
the likes of Miles Hurral, chief executive of Fonterra, who
said it would be a big mistake if we ditched Paris.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, hester all, I've sat down with Miles and discussed
this with him. He has the view that he needs
to source helk solids produced in a certain way to
please certain customers in Europe, and I completely respect that.
I'm not taking away his ability to do so. There's
(02:12):
lots of people in New Zealand agriculture who innovate and
do things differently to come up with a product that
satisfies their customer. So I would say the hallmark of
New Zealand agriculture for the last two generations. However, it's
not true that's because one person has a strategy in
the market, all of us should be compelled to do it,
(02:35):
often at costs of their livelihoods. So I actually think
we need to be really clear. Paris is back on
the table. Paris agreement is like a bad boyfriend. Either
it's got to change, stop the abuse, or we're going
to leave. And those changes look like a split gas approach,
no tax on food, and more realistic emission targets that
(02:58):
are more in line with what the rest of the
world actually doing, not what they say they're going to do.
Once again, the best indication of future performances past performance
saying you should look up not what people say, but
what they do. Well.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
When it comes to the Coalition, Winston Peters is a
bit like a bad boyfriend for you. You do have
your moments now, but now that the two of you
have cat, you're basically ganging up on the nets on
this one.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I don't think your audience want that vision.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well perhaps they don't. He's a good looking man, though, David,
albeit he's too old for you. But anyhow, are you
going to your taste? Are you? I come on, dapper, dapper,
blue pin stripe navy suit. Are you going to think you? No? No,
your audience, Yes, I probably should. I'm heading down the
wrong path. Let's get the conversation back on track. Are
(03:46):
you and Winston going to gang up on the nets?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Well, it's pretty straightforward. The people. Actually what matters here.
You're you're talking about politicians. Well, I'm saying to people
who are out there. If you're in the front line
of the New Zealand economy, if you're milking cows or
sowing wood, then you are already seeing what people in
urban New Zealand are feeling, and that is that climate
(04:12):
commitments are starting to bite. For a long time, you know,
we could both go to heaven as New Zealanders. We
could feel that we were good people and that we
were sustainable because we had lots of hydro, lots of
geo thermal, and yet we could go to heaven, but
we didn't have to die, meaning we didn't have to
(04:32):
sacrifice having the lights on or have a heavy industry.
We could actually have it all. Now we're facing a
very different reality, and as reality bites, we're going to
have to put Paris and the zero carbonacs back on
the table. And having held this position for as long
as these issues have existed, I think ACT is in
a very good position to represent people who share these concerns.
(04:56):
And after we listen to the voters, then you can
talk about the politicians. I just make the case that
we're a credible choice for the voter.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So you'll be going to the election next year along
with New Zealand. First, we're going to kick Paris to touch.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Simple as that, Well, they can speak for themselves. All
I would say is that we have the enormous advantage
of not having brought into it at any time. And
I think that for people who are asking, well, you know,
what's the credible passway here? If we want to never
(05:28):
have labor in again and never have something like zero CARBONAC,
the Party can make a clear claim to consistency on
these issues.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Are you guys prepared to sacrifice those high yielding European markets?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, I don't believe for a moment that we have
to do that. Miles Hurrell, for example, and I have
to say, enjoy sitting down with them. But what he's
basically saying is I can't succeed unless everybody else is
pulled to the same level. And I don't believe that's true. Actually,
up and down New Zealand, people in the primary industries
(06:06):
are innovating their product to suit their customer and they
don't rely on everyone else in the country to do
exactly the same thing. First, in fact, really innovation is
the opposite of that.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Where to from here regarding this policy.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, we're going to be looking at where the rest
of the world is going, because I do agree that
simply pulling out today would have some pretty serious impacts.
But you watch over the next year. I think the
rest of the world is shifting. I think we should
be reaching out to like minded countries who are exposed
with a lot of methane and their emissions profile. And
(06:43):
that's not just South American companies with a lot of bovines.
It's also a lot of Southeast Asian companies country sorry,
with a lot of rice that also emits a lot
of methane. And we should be saying, look, there's got
to be a coalition of the willing around the world
who are prepared to have a different conversation about Paris.
And if we can't get that, then I think it
(07:06):
might be time for us to leave.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
David just to wrap it. Some people on the text
line agreeing with you here, I do agree that their
Paris a court is just tulip trading and needs to change.
It's a Ponzi scheme. And that is of course regarding
the tulip You know what that the trading drama that.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Happened many so the biggest bubble happened.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yes, the trading scheme in the Netherlands. And here's another one.
It needs to be noted that in the meat industry,
the most profitable companies are not those involved in this
climate agrizero nonsense. They are the private companies who get
out and sal our meat, not virtue signaling loss making
twats so that person is not pulling any punches. David Seymour, look,
(07:51):
thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Thank you you have a great day.
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