December 3, 2024 • 6 mins
The Prime Minister has a welcome announcement about carbon farming as he winds up his “Restoring Farmer Confidence Tour” today at the Southern Field Days site at Waimumu.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As always on a Wednesday, the Prime Minister kicks off
the show. We find them today in south from God's
Own farming province. He's just about to address the masses,
Christopher Luxen a big announcement.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah, look great to be back in this part of
the country again. You know, it's one of my favorite parts.
And it's a really good days today because we're out
there talking to farmers, which is always a good day,
just giving them confidence that actually they've got a government's
going to back them and get rid of the red tape.
And of course one of the big issues Jamie, which
you and I have talked about and I know you're
very passionate about, is hey, listen, what are we doing
to get a better balance between protecting our most protective
(00:35):
productive farmland actually while also allowing for sustainable property growth,
our forestry growth. And you might remember back at the
election we had a policy Todd McLay and I around
how we make some changes to farm to forestry conversions
which we weren't happy with. And so yeah, today we've
announced the first person I'm talking to about it actually,
which is exotic forestry Registrations for land use classifications one
(00:57):
to five we're going to put a moratorium on that.
We're going to have a cap around fifteen thousand hectares
for land use six category land, and then we're going
to allow up to twenty five percent of the farms
you know the classifications one to six to be planted
in forestry for the ets. That ensuring that farmers then
on their own property, have their own property rights and
(01:17):
flexibility and choices to what they do on their farm.
So essentially it's what we talked about at the election.
What has to happen now is Cabinets agreed this is
our approach. We now need to get this into law,
and that's the legislation and the drafting process, which we
go through, as you remember, first reading and then we
have a select committee, and then we have a second
reading and a third reading it becomes law. So hopefully
(01:40):
we'll be by the end by the end of next
I think by September October next year, we'll have this
as a law in place. And of course once we've
made the announcement, it will take effect from when we
make the announcement. From a law point legal point, are
going to be some transitional pieces to it, but all
in all, I think pretty good announcement, which is that
we've heard the issue out and clear, which is that
(02:01):
farm to forestry conversions are changing the nature of our
rural communities where we've got to get the balance between
productive land and also forestry. And I think we found
that balance.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
What about the one hundred percent offsets? No other countries
doing that? Why should we be doing that? Why should
we be allowing that? Therein lies the problem? And aren't
you going to have a mass attack of pine planting
up until this becomes law in twenty twenty five. I'm
hearing Christopher Luxen anecdotally that there will be record pine
(02:30):
plantations or pine plantings in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, Look, there will be some transitional mechanisms that we'll need,
but essentially, having made the announcement, you know we'll want
it to people need to take notice of that and
essentially have a take effect from when we've made the
announcement that there will be some transitional projects that might
be in plate right now. But the point of that
is that there is actually that we don't see that
(02:56):
between now and October.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I'm just trying to take this in because this is
really hot off the press. What about the one hundred
percent offsetting. Is there any going to be any change
to that legislation?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, this is at this stage. What we're doing is
making sure we haven't got a change to that at
this point in time. What we are doing is just
making sure we're following through on that connect commitment that
we made around we're not going to have wholesale farm
conversions and sales like we've seen. That's important that moratorium
sits in place. Is a quota around land. You six land,
(03:27):
and obviously farmers can do what they want for twenty
five percent of their land as they should be able
to do so.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, so this will effectively stop blanket planting of productive farmland.
Is that the idea?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Actually, that's exactly the idea of Damie, which is I've
heard up and down the country probably for the last
two years, right three years they've been leader of the
opposition and in our prime Minister. Know what farmers have
been saying is, hey, listen, you know this is changing
the nature of our rural communities, it's impacting our rural schools.
But more importantly, we're giving up really good farmland for
(03:58):
overseas companies off the to come in and buy big,
big wholesale farms, convert them to forestry so they can
get the carbon benefit off sets themselves to take back overseas.
And that's just not a place we want to be in.
We've got to find the balance of yes, we need
a good forestry sector and yes we need to make
sure we're protecting our productive farmland as well.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
You will be greeted by the faithful very very shortly
at y Mumu Venue for the Southern Field Days just
outside of Gore. Are you, as I said to you
last week, kind of preaching to the choir here though,
And I'm not knocking you for doing it. I think
it's great that the Prime Minister and the Minister of
Agriculture and the President of Federated Farmers are giving their
time to mix and mingle with the farmers around the country.
(04:40):
But are they the ones you need to convince?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, they're the ones that I want to know are
deeply valued and not villains. And I want them to
know they've got a government that are already done twenty
plus you know things in the first months of our
government has prioritized them might from day one to make
sure they understand they are the backbone of this country.
There is nothing more important to us in agriculture who's
in a recession that they're going to be a rural
sector once again that's going to power New Zeland out
(05:04):
of it. And I want them to know they've got
a government that's backing them. And I find these events.
I've been doing these since the day after I became
leader of the National Party because actually the answers come
from people on the front lines who actually say, look,
this haywok acono stuff isn't working for us, and so
we've stopped that. Actually we don't want agriculture and eats,
so we've stopped that. And I want them to know
(05:26):
that they are valued because they have taken a real
beating frankly out of the last six years that was
completely undeserved. So part of it is actually letting them
know that we're grateful and to say thank you. The
other part is to share with them our thinking of
where our government's going with respect to agriculture, which is
we want it to continue to innovate deeply. That's been
the story of the sector. Why we are the best
(05:47):
in the world at it. Over the last one hundred
and fifty years. But it's also a chance for me
to actually mingle over a barbecue with all of these spoken.
They're to have a Q and a session where they
can actually tell us the things that are on their
agenda of what's working well, what's not working so well,
so that we can at least hear directly from them
rather than hearing through Wellington public servants and bureaucrats. We
(06:08):
want to get Wellington out of farming, and so part
of it has always been about getting out and talking
to sectors and understanding and saying the government wants to
work with you, not do things to you. And that's
a big difference and a big mindset shift.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Rom Minister Christopher Lux and enjoy your day in Southland.
I'll try and get my head around because I've just
it's just hot off the press to me as well,
your announcement around carbon farming, and we'll see if you
can stop the right. Thanks for your time, appreciate it, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It always going to be with you.
As always on a Wednesday, the Prime Minister kicks off
the show. We find them today in south from God's
Own farming province. He's just about to address the masses,
Christopher Luxen a big announcement.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah, look great to be back in this part of
the country again. You know, it's one of my favorite parts.
And it's a really good days today because we're out
there talking to farmers, which is always a good day,
just giving them confidence that actually they've got a government's
going to back them and get rid of the red tape.
And of course one of the big issues Jamie, which
you and I have talked about and I know you're
very passionate about, is hey, listen, what are we doing
to get a better balance between protecting our most protective
(00:35):
productive farmland actually while also allowing for sustainable property growth,
our forestry growth. And you might remember back at the
election we had a policy Todd McLay and I around
how we make some changes to farm to forestry conversions
which we weren't happy with. And so yeah, today we've
announced the first person I'm talking to about it actually,
which is exotic forestry Registrations for land use classifications one
(00:57):
to five we're going to put a moratorium on that.
We're going to have a cap around fifteen thousand hectares
for land use six category land, and then we're going
to allow up to twenty five percent of the farms
you know the classifications one to six to be planted
in forestry for the ets. That ensuring that farmers then
on their own property, have their own property rights and
(01:17):
flexibility and choices to what they do on their farm.
So essentially it's what we talked about at the election.
What has to happen now is Cabinets agreed this is
our approach. We now need to get this into law,
and that's the legislation and the drafting process, which we
go through, as you remember, first reading and then we
have a select committee, and then we have a second
reading and a third reading it becomes law. So hopefully
(01:40):
we'll be by the end by the end of next
I think by September October next year, we'll have this
as a law in place. And of course once we've
made the announcement, it will take effect from when we
make the announcement. From a law point legal point, are
going to be some transitional pieces to it, but all
in all, I think pretty good announcement, which is that
we've heard the issue out and clear, which is that
(02:01):
farm to forestry conversions are changing the nature of our
rural communities where we've got to get the balance between
productive land and also forestry. And I think we found
that balance.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
What about the one hundred percent offsets? No other countries
doing that? Why should we be doing that? Why should
we be allowing that? Therein lies the problem? And aren't
you going to have a mass attack of pine planting
up until this becomes law in twenty twenty five. I'm
hearing Christopher Luxen anecdotally that there will be record pine
(02:30):
plantations or pine plantings in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, Look, there will be some transitional mechanisms that we'll need,
but essentially, having made the announcement, you know we'll want
it to people need to take notice of that and
essentially have a take effect from when we've made the
announcement that there will be some transitional projects that might
be in plate right now. But the point of that
is that there is actually that we don't see that
(02:56):
between now and October.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I'm just trying to take this in because this is
really hot off the press. What about the one hundred
percent offsetting. Is there any going to be any change
to that legislation?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, this is at this stage. What we're doing is
making sure we haven't got a change to that at
this point in time. What we are doing is just
making sure we're following through on that connect commitment that
we made around we're not going to have wholesale farm
conversions and sales like we've seen. That's important that moratorium
sits in place. Is a quota around land. You six land,
(03:27):
and obviously farmers can do what they want for twenty
five percent of their land as they should be able
to do so.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, so this will effectively stop blanket planting of productive farmland.
Is that the idea?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Actually, that's exactly the idea of Damie, which is I've
heard up and down the country probably for the last
two years, right three years they've been leader of the
opposition and in our prime Minister. Know what farmers have
been saying is, hey, listen, you know this is changing
the nature of our rural communities, it's impacting our rural schools.
But more importantly, we're giving up really good farmland for
(03:58):
overseas companies off the to come in and buy big,
big wholesale farms, convert them to forestry so they can
get the carbon benefit off sets themselves to take back overseas.
And that's just not a place we want to be in.
We've got to find the balance of yes, we need
a good forestry sector and yes we need to make
sure we're protecting our productive farmland as well.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
You will be greeted by the faithful very very shortly
at y Mumu Venue for the Southern Field Days just
outside of Gore. Are you, as I said to you
last week, kind of preaching to the choir here though,
And I'm not knocking you for doing it. I think
it's great that the Prime Minister and the Minister of
Agriculture and the President of Federated Farmers are giving their
time to mix and mingle with the farmers around the country.
(04:40):
But are they the ones you need to convince?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, they're the ones that I want to know are
deeply valued and not villains. And I want them to
know they've got a government that are already done twenty
plus you know things in the first months of our
government has prioritized them might from day one to make
sure they understand they are the backbone of this country.
There is nothing more important to us in agriculture who's
in a recession that they're going to be a rural
sector once again that's going to power New Zeland out
(05:04):
of it. And I want them to know they've got
a government that's backing them. And I find these events.
I've been doing these since the day after I became
leader of the National Party because actually the answers come
from people on the front lines who actually say, look,
this haywok acono stuff isn't working for us, and so
we've stopped that. Actually we don't want agriculture and eats,
so we've stopped that. And I want them to know
(05:26):
that they are valued because they have taken a real
beating frankly out of the last six years that was
completely undeserved. So part of it is actually letting them
know that we're grateful and to say thank you. The
other part is to share with them our thinking of
where our government's going with respect to agriculture, which is
we want it to continue to innovate deeply. That's been
the story of the sector. Why we are the best
(05:47):
in the world at it. Over the last one hundred
and fifty years. But it's also a chance for me
to actually mingle over a barbecue with all of these spoken.
They're to have a Q and a session where they
can actually tell us the things that are on their
agenda of what's working well, what's not working so well,
so that we can at least hear directly from them
rather than hearing through Wellington public servants and bureaucrats. We
(06:08):
want to get Wellington out of farming, and so part
of it has always been about getting out and talking
to sectors and understanding and saying the government wants to
work with you, not do things to you. And that's
a big difference and a big mindset shift.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Rom Minister Christopher Lux and enjoy your day in Southland.
I'll try and get my head around because I've just
it's just hot off the press to me as well,
your announcement around carbon farming, and we'll see if you
can stop the right. Thanks for your time, appreciate it, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It always going to be with you.
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