December 3, 2025 • 8 mins
Last time we yarned, he coined the phrase “a demonic egg beater” when referring to Chlöe Swarbrick. What will he call her, and who will be in the firing line today? The Prince of the Provinces, Matua Shane, also tackles the failed ETS auctions of 2025, ridding us of the “green banshees” and the regional councils, capping local body rates at 2-4%, and selling off state assets, including Pāmu.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here's the Prince of the Province's Martoua Shane Jones. Last
time when he was on the country, he coined the
phrase a demonic egg Peter when he was referring to
Chloe Swarbrook. I got a text, interestingly from one of
your fellow Northland MPs, Grant McCallum, this morning and he
said he was in a select committee or something like
that battling Chloe over emissions. Are you involved in that
(00:22):
as well?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
No, this is scrutiny week. Fortunately I am to the
side of that rent seeking klingon the leader of the
sorry the Green Party. But she acts in a very
performative way and it's quite an extraordinary performance. So I've
got a bit of adaha for the man to cocky
the man from the Kopa. But I dare say he'll
(00:46):
be able to sort of, he'll be able to navigate
his way around the jabbering that we're going to hear
from the Green Party.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I call the emissions trading scheme and carbon credits the
Emperor's new clothes. And I was reading the morning Shane Jones.
A market that was surprised by the government ieu has
failed to buy a single carbon unit at the final
ETS auction of the year, not a single bidder registered
for Wednesdays Yesterday's auction, making twenty twenty five the second
(01:17):
calendar year in which all four quarterly ETS auctions have failed.
The first calendar year was twenty twenty three. Why are
we persisting?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, if the demand is down, then that means the
supply is high. I'm presuming there's a lot of units
available in the market associated with the forestry sector, and
that the Crown and introducing additional units is selling into
arguably a market that's saturated with other sources of units.
(01:48):
But it hasn't been stated any clearer than our finance minister,
where the Finance Minister has said that we'll be funding
the hospitals and Faraday Nelson before we're handing dough over
to the Congo. Related to ETS, it's common sense. We
are not going to be guilt trip. We are not
(02:10):
going to be sledgehammered into spending money internationally when we
need to find the solutions within ourselves. We have hung
fat with the forestry people in terms of those who
already have their money tied up in the ETS, but
we have restricted their ability to plaster pine trees over
the rest of the white.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Upper You've changed the June you were the billion trees mans.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I didn't fully appreciate that the Countless of Austria was
going to arrive with a checkbook rivaling the New Zealand
Reserve Bank figuratively speaking. And look like I've said, our
steam make you've got to be adaptable in politics.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Now you've got about a flip flop show and you
do it rather well. Talking about the Queen of Austria
with the checkbook. Ikea have been running around the country
with their checkbook buying farms for carbon forestry. You went
queuing up at the opening this morning, were you?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
No? No, no, No. I struggle to put together the
most basic of furniture without having to sort of reprise
what knowledge I remember from nineteen seventy five doing woodwork,
trying to put their furniture together. Sadly, I've got two
lads who are builders and a wife who's got much
more tenicity than I have to jove together their sorts
of furniture. No, I was actually up walking. And we're
(03:25):
having a big party here in Parliament this evening for
New Zealand first, so I'm waiting for the smoke fish
to arrive.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Now, what do I have to get on the invite
list for your Christmas party up in Northland?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Oh? Well, as they say, the checks and the mail,
I'm sure, I'm sure an invitation somewhere in the mail.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Mate, you've got your wish. We're getting rid of regional councils.
You call them green banshees.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well, you have to admit that in areas such as Otago,
they really are an institutional form of of ideological hysteria.
They've created a virtual taj Mahal down there as a
monument to their own dystopian fantasies that the world is frying,
that every bit of mining that I do down there
(04:13):
is going to irreversibly disfigure the landscape. And that's why
they have to go. They are a major drag on productivity. Now,
some of the functions will remain. I mean, what's wrong
with us relying on catchment boards catchment groups. That's why
christ Bishop's announcements give some scope to tease through what's
the best form to deliver services to maintain the environment.
(04:36):
But stop regulating the Jesus out of the farmers. You know,
I'm so happy that early in the life of our government,
I managed to get my colleagues to agree to guarantee
for every marine farmer who's already got a permit, their
permits are extended for twenty years. They have to go
home and argue with their accountant or explain to the
wife why you're going to go and find one hundred
(04:57):
and fifty thousand or one hundred thousand just to continue
doing what you've been doing for the last twenty years. Now.
It's that type of Oh, I don't know. It's a
mixture of sort of an abstraction and some sort of
piety that somehow we have to regulate that. The Jesus
out of existing rights and existing businesses inz first doesn't
like that.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
What do you make of the proposal to limit or
cap local body rates to four percent? I think it's
admirabald I've got out of control. But is it realistic?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, let's see proverbial curacy, isn't it. Some parts of
it are good that we bring restraint, and we challenge
our local government bureaucrats in local government leaders to be
very judicious as to how they dedicate taxpayers. Are sorry,
rate payers money, but at the other level. Costs are
rising for them because we in central government end up
(05:48):
getting them, or ask them, or impose on them a
whole lot more responsibilities. And I hope and pray that
as the new RIMA wanders its way through the Slit
committee process, that we reduce the number of consents that
are needed in New Zealand. We lift the threshold so
that the councils only have to focus on areas where
(06:11):
there's genuine risk as opposed to the self righteous Earnest's
Roman sandal wearing walk short characters lighting the South Island
and making the lives of your cockies down their misery.
They tell me every week that this is their reality.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Let's just finish on selling off state assets. You and
Winston don't want to sell off anything. You made that
quite clear around the Fonterra divestment of its consumer brand's business.
But should Palmu, for instance, the country's biggest farm, be
sold or divested.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Well, the leader has absolutely stated this is a matter
that has to be addressed in the election. We're very
keen to create a model akin to the Singaporean institution
of Temasek, where you cobble together a whole lot of assets,
and some of them you have a restriction on how
much you can sell and get them run in a
(07:07):
very professional way, disconnected from the bureaucracy, disconnected from the politicians,
unless there's a strategic interest. But if anyone thinks that
New Zealand First is suddenly going to agree to sell
transpower and sell these crown interests in the Three Gentailors
whilst they are in a villainous way gouging the Jesus
out of industry and households, then they are a grossly
(07:30):
distorted understanding of the ideology of New Zealand First.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Okay, let's just get me this quote right. She was
last time a demonic egg beaton. What did you call
her this time?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Rent seeking?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Klingon? Was it?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Well? They are, mate, Look, let's be.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Honest, but I don't get the rent seeking bits.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Explain to me, Well, a rent seeker is someone that
wants to impose costs on you and I in order
to fund a fantasy that New Zealand has to virtually
bankrupt this industry to look good to the rest of
the world and to save the planet. No, we don't.
We have to be viable, we have to be fertile,
and we have to be economically robust. And then when
(08:07):
we generate a surplus and we keep the jobs in
New zealing and stop our young people disappearing, then if
there's a seplus, we'll think about saving the planet first,
Save the economy first, look after your own people, and
boost security. Don't impose rent seeking ideologies on the rest
of us. And we're struggling to make a living as
it is.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Wonderful rhetoric has always Seane Jones, Love your time here
on the country see Buddy Fie
Here's the Prince of the Province's Martoua Shane Jones. Last
time when he was on the country, he coined the
phrase a demonic egg Peter when he was referring to
Chloe Swarbrook. I got a text, interestingly from one of
your fellow Northland MPs, Grant McCallum, this morning and he
said he was in a select committee or something like
that battling Chloe over emissions. Are you involved in that
(00:22):
as well?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
No, this is scrutiny week. Fortunately I am to the
side of that rent seeking klingon the leader of the
sorry the Green Party. But she acts in a very
performative way and it's quite an extraordinary performance. So I've
got a bit of adaha for the man to cocky
the man from the Kopa. But I dare say he'll
(00:46):
be able to sort of, he'll be able to navigate
his way around the jabbering that we're going to hear
from the Green Party.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I call the emissions trading scheme and carbon credits the
Emperor's new clothes. And I was reading the morning Shane Jones.
A market that was surprised by the government ieu has
failed to buy a single carbon unit at the final
ETS auction of the year, not a single bidder registered
for Wednesdays Yesterday's auction, making twenty twenty five the second
(01:17):
calendar year in which all four quarterly ETS auctions have failed.
The first calendar year was twenty twenty three. Why are
we persisting?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, if the demand is down, then that means the
supply is high. I'm presuming there's a lot of units
available in the market associated with the forestry sector, and
that the Crown and introducing additional units is selling into
arguably a market that's saturated with other sources of units.
(01:48):
But it hasn't been stated any clearer than our finance minister,
where the Finance Minister has said that we'll be funding
the hospitals and Faraday Nelson before we're handing dough over
to the Congo. Related to ETS, it's common sense. We
are not going to be guilt trip. We are not
(02:10):
going to be sledgehammered into spending money internationally when we
need to find the solutions within ourselves. We have hung
fat with the forestry people in terms of those who
already have their money tied up in the ETS, but
we have restricted their ability to plaster pine trees over
the rest of the white.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Upper You've changed the June you were the billion trees mans.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I didn't fully appreciate that the Countless of Austria was
going to arrive with a checkbook rivaling the New Zealand
Reserve Bank figuratively speaking. And look like I've said, our
steam make you've got to be adaptable in politics.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Now you've got about a flip flop show and you
do it rather well. Talking about the Queen of Austria
with the checkbook. Ikea have been running around the country
with their checkbook buying farms for carbon forestry. You went
queuing up at the opening this morning, were you?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
No? No, no, No. I struggle to put together the
most basic of furniture without having to sort of reprise
what knowledge I remember from nineteen seventy five doing woodwork,
trying to put their furniture together. Sadly, I've got two
lads who are builders and a wife who's got much
more tenicity than I have to jove together their sorts
of furniture. No, I was actually up walking. And we're
(03:25):
having a big party here in Parliament this evening for
New Zealand first, so I'm waiting for the smoke fish
to arrive.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Now, what do I have to get on the invite
list for your Christmas party up in Northland?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Oh? Well, as they say, the checks and the mail,
I'm sure, I'm sure an invitation somewhere in the mail.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Mate, you've got your wish. We're getting rid of regional councils.
You call them green banshees.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well, you have to admit that in areas such as Otago,
they really are an institutional form of of ideological hysteria.
They've created a virtual taj Mahal down there as a
monument to their own dystopian fantasies that the world is frying,
that every bit of mining that I do down there
(04:13):
is going to irreversibly disfigure the landscape. And that's why
they have to go. They are a major drag on productivity. Now,
some of the functions will remain. I mean, what's wrong
with us relying on catchment boards catchment groups. That's why
christ Bishop's announcements give some scope to tease through what's
the best form to deliver services to maintain the environment.
(04:36):
But stop regulating the Jesus out of the farmers. You know,
I'm so happy that early in the life of our government,
I managed to get my colleagues to agree to guarantee
for every marine farmer who's already got a permit, their
permits are extended for twenty years. They have to go
home and argue with their accountant or explain to the
wife why you're going to go and find one hundred
(04:57):
and fifty thousand or one hundred thousand just to continue
doing what you've been doing for the last twenty years. Now.
It's that type of Oh, I don't know. It's a
mixture of sort of an abstraction and some sort of
piety that somehow we have to regulate that. The Jesus
out of existing rights and existing businesses inz first doesn't
like that.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
What do you make of the proposal to limit or
cap local body rates to four percent? I think it's
admirabald I've got out of control. But is it realistic?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, let's see proverbial curacy, isn't it. Some parts of
it are good that we bring restraint, and we challenge
our local government bureaucrats in local government leaders to be
very judicious as to how they dedicate taxpayers. Are sorry,
rate payers money, but at the other level. Costs are
rising for them because we in central government end up
(05:48):
getting them, or ask them, or impose on them a
whole lot more responsibilities. And I hope and pray that
as the new RIMA wanders its way through the Slit
committee process, that we reduce the number of consents that
are needed in New Zealand. We lift the threshold so
that the councils only have to focus on areas where
(06:11):
there's genuine risk as opposed to the self righteous Earnest's
Roman sandal wearing walk short characters lighting the South Island
and making the lives of your cockies down their misery.
They tell me every week that this is their reality.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Let's just finish on selling off state assets. You and
Winston don't want to sell off anything. You made that
quite clear around the Fonterra divestment of its consumer brand's business.
But should Palmu, for instance, the country's biggest farm, be
sold or divested.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Well, the leader has absolutely stated this is a matter
that has to be addressed in the election. We're very
keen to create a model akin to the Singaporean institution
of Temasek, where you cobble together a whole lot of assets,
and some of them you have a restriction on how
much you can sell and get them run in a
(07:07):
very professional way, disconnected from the bureaucracy, disconnected from the politicians,
unless there's a strategic interest. But if anyone thinks that
New Zealand First is suddenly going to agree to sell
transpower and sell these crown interests in the Three Gentailors
whilst they are in a villainous way gouging the Jesus
out of industry and households, then they are a grossly
(07:30):
distorted understanding of the ideology of New Zealand First.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Okay, let's just get me this quote right. She was
last time a demonic egg beaton. What did you call
her this time?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Rent seeking?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Klingon? Was it?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Well? They are, mate, Look, let's be.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Honest, but I don't get the rent seeking bits.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Explain to me, Well, a rent seeker is someone that
wants to impose costs on you and I in order
to fund a fantasy that New Zealand has to virtually
bankrupt this industry to look good to the rest of
the world and to save the planet. No, we don't.
We have to be viable, we have to be fertile,
and we have to be economically robust. And then when
(08:07):
we generate a surplus and we keep the jobs in
New zealing and stop our young people disappearing, then if
there's a seplus, we'll think about saving the planet first,
Save the economy first, look after your own people, and
boost security. Don't impose rent seeking ideologies on the rest
of us. And we're struggling to make a living as
it is.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Wonderful rhetoric has always Seane Jones, Love your time here
on the country see Buddy Fie
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