December 7, 2025 • 7 mins
Today’s farmer/politician panel discusses Fred Dagg, a big RMA announcement tomorrow, changes to micro abattoir rules, a hornet update, doing battle with Chlöe Swarbrick over emissions and Shane’s latest flip-flop on fishing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But your gun? How good was Fred guess? The premiere
of the movie tomorrow night in Palmerston North. Let's welcome
on to the show our farmer politician panel. One of
them is from Palmerston North or the man or two
Andrew Hoggard by Security Minister, Associate agg Minister, and he's
a bit of a celebrity in PARMI no doubt Andrew
(00:22):
you'll be lining up in your penguin suit tomorrow night
for the premiere.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Unfortunately, we've got a quite a busy week in Parliament,
getting a lot of really important legislation past this week,
so I have to be in the house doing the
business unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Okay, Grant McCullum, you turn up at the opening of
an envelope and you're not really an important member of
the National Party. So are you going to turn up
in Palmerston North Nothing you enjoy more than a few
flights at the taxpayer's expense from Northland?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got love to go.
I'm of a vintage I remember all this. I grew
up with Fred dag and all his great songs and
a and the videos is an amazing character. I'd love
to go along, but unfortunately got to be in Parliament
to pass some very important legislation that will will be
good for the farming community.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Okay, well we'll leave, they'll stay with you. Andrew. What
is what are we getting the new RMA bill tomorrow
or something? What's happening there?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yes, yeah, well the replacement for the RMA hopefully is
I assume it's all happening this week, and some other
changes there that will certainly help our farmers out. Can't
go in too much of us, I'll get in trouble
for stealing Chris Bishop's announcement. Often.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah, I've done it weed better on that. Tomorrow they're
having a lock up you know how they do with
the budget, Jamie.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I mean is that like they used to have in
the Riversdale Pub when I was a young bluck ten
o'clock The doors would shut and you're either you were
on either side of them.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
No, see that to be a free dag story from lockup.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, away you go, Grant, so you're you're prepared to
spill the beans. Obviously, Andrew's a bit more screet.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
They're having a lic up tomorrow leading up to one
o'clock when they'll actually put on the publicly released and
Chris will talk about it then. But yeah, so it's
going to be a big day, a really big day
for this Parliament'll be broth the most important thing we pass.
With all due respect to all the stuff that Andrew's
done today, I think it's going to be this biggest
(02:23):
thing we'll do.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, this is definitely the most important thing we do.
I've had a bit to do with it. And that's
the most needed stuff in agriculture right now.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And that's not minde. It's not the only announcement this week, Andrew.
You're announcing changes to micro abattoir rules.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, probably not in the same league, but to each
their own. Yeah, just today has been visiting a micro
avatar out of christ Church and making some changes there
around the testing requirements they have to do. At the moment,
they have to sort of do the same testing requirements
as the big boys, and just yeah, basing it on
(03:01):
reducing things, making it more risk proportionate based on size
the guys with today, he reckoned it to take about
seventy percent of the costs out of his business and
allow them to do more and probably, in his opinion,
allow more people to set up my care abbatois so
you know, not only creating options for consumers but also
for farmers as well. So that's just you know, there's
(03:24):
a number of things across food safety where everything's just
designed for one size fits all and slowly going through
and making them much more risk proportionate so that we
don't just add costs onto food everywhere.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Grant McCallum, are you sent me a text with your
subjects or your topics of choice for today and you
said you wanted to talk about doing battle with Chloe.
Of course, last week Shane Jones was on the show.
I don't know whether you caught up with that. He
had previously called her a demonic egg beater. I think,
and this is just off the top of my head,
because he has so many sayings. I think it was
(03:58):
a rent seeking cling on on this time, poor old Chloe.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, I don't feel too sorry for her time. It's
interesting we had who and I had crosswords twice last
week in the Select Committee over over methane emissions. The chinkers,
by time for Greens had their way, mate, they'll be
taxing methane, They'll be they'll be taxing your here and
taxing your wealth and capital games tax there'll be nothing left.
(04:22):
There wouldn't be a reason to get out of bed
in the morning. Just highlights why we've got to keep
that lot out of power. And you meet next year.
Is all about making sure we get returned, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Andrew, Oh definitely. I mean these I didn't get to
see any of that, but you know this attitude that
we've got to reduce methane down to zero. No scientists
are saying that. You know, we had a review that
was done by eminently qualified scientists, top of the game
in New Zealand being involved with the IPCC. They said, look,
(04:55):
here's the amount you need to reduce down to to
actually have no additional impact and warming. And that's where
we've set it. So it's all science based and to
achieve it, we don't need to come up with a
whole range of hair brain taxes to do it. Farmers
well on the way to achieving it. So one, if
we want to introduce extra costs and complexity into the
whole thing.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Just a couple of quickly finish on because I'm run
out of time. How are we getting on with the
hornets and Auckland there Andrew, your biosecurity minister.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, yeah, it was up there on Friday having a
look around the area in question. You know, good operation
going there. The key thing everyone's going on about the traps,
but it's actually the people on the ground that are
walking around doing the property searches that are discovering them,
and so far all the discoveries are in a pretty
(05:44):
tight knit circle. So that is sort of you know,
in one way, it's positive that they're not being found here,
there and everywhere. And you know, we've gotten some cool
technology and where we'll put some tracking technology on workers
once they emerge and be able to track them back
to the nests to be able to further eradicate them.
(06:07):
So you know, it's gonna be a you know, it's
gonna not going to be something we clean up straight away.
It'll be probably a year or two.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
How do you put a tracker on a print? How
do you put a tracker on or was it was
with tweezes.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
It's quite quite a quite a process, so it's much
easier to put an egg nake tag on account there's
various traps you've got to go through and a little
pincer thing you've got to grab them and then yeah,
it's doable. I was quite impressed with the technology and
so that's that's what they're using over in Europe to
be able to track down the nests really effectively.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And just to finish on because I do need to
wrap this. Grant McCullum, the gloves are off already in
Northland one year out from the election. You're putting the
knife into Shane Jones, the Prince of the provinces. Are you.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Scheme to allow by cats for Maryland to be landed?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So they get them dead. Marlon currently got to let
them go along with the live ones and the long
lunest think about asking me out to land them. Last
time they tried that with some swordfish in the nineties
the bycatch went from one hundred time to a thousand times.
And so we don't want that happening with Marlon and
we had a meeting or try was part of and
fully support the sports fishery people in the fact that
(07:18):
Marlin's term want to our settrup north for to be landed.
We can't have this happen again. And so another flip
flock coming from the man from marsh Old Shae the
Prince
Speaker 1 (07:28):
There we Go, Grant McCullum Andrew Hoggard Today's Farmer Politician
Panel
But your gun? How good was Fred guess? The premiere
of the movie tomorrow night in Palmerston North. Let's welcome
on to the show our farmer politician panel. One of
them is from Palmerston North or the man or two
Andrew Hoggard by Security Minister, Associate agg Minister, and he's
a bit of a celebrity in PARMI no doubt Andrew
(00:22):
you'll be lining up in your penguin suit tomorrow night
for the premiere.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Unfortunately, we've got a quite a busy week in Parliament,
getting a lot of really important legislation past this week,
so I have to be in the house doing the
business unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Okay, Grant McCullum, you turn up at the opening of
an envelope and you're not really an important member of
the National Party. So are you going to turn up
in Palmerston North Nothing you enjoy more than a few
flights at the taxpayer's expense from Northland?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got love to go.
I'm of a vintage I remember all this. I grew
up with Fred dag and all his great songs and
a and the videos is an amazing character. I'd love
to go along, but unfortunately got to be in Parliament
to pass some very important legislation that will will be
good for the farming community.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Okay, well we'll leave, they'll stay with you. Andrew. What
is what are we getting the new RMA bill tomorrow
or something? What's happening there?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yes, yeah, well the replacement for the RMA hopefully is
I assume it's all happening this week, and some other
changes there that will certainly help our farmers out. Can't
go in too much of us, I'll get in trouble
for stealing Chris Bishop's announcement. Often.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah, I've done it weed better on that. Tomorrow they're
having a lock up you know how they do with
the budget, Jamie.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I mean is that like they used to have in
the Riversdale Pub when I was a young bluck ten
o'clock The doors would shut and you're either you were
on either side of them.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
No, see that to be a free dag story from lockup.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, away you go, Grant, so you're you're prepared to
spill the beans. Obviously, Andrew's a bit more screet.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
They're having a lic up tomorrow leading up to one
o'clock when they'll actually put on the publicly released and
Chris will talk about it then. But yeah, so it's
going to be a big day, a really big day
for this Parliament'll be broth the most important thing we pass.
With all due respect to all the stuff that Andrew's
done today, I think it's going to be this biggest
(02:23):
thing we'll do.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, this is definitely the most important thing we do.
I've had a bit to do with it. And that's
the most needed stuff in agriculture right now.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And that's not minde. It's not the only announcement this week, Andrew.
You're announcing changes to micro abattoir rules.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, probably not in the same league, but to each
their own. Yeah, just today has been visiting a micro
avatar out of christ Church and making some changes there
around the testing requirements they have to do. At the moment,
they have to sort of do the same testing requirements
as the big boys, and just yeah, basing it on
(03:01):
reducing things, making it more risk proportionate based on size
the guys with today, he reckoned it to take about
seventy percent of the costs out of his business and
allow them to do more and probably, in his opinion,
allow more people to set up my care abbatois so
you know, not only creating options for consumers but also
for farmers as well. So that's just you know, there's
(03:24):
a number of things across food safety where everything's just
designed for one size fits all and slowly going through
and making them much more risk proportionate so that we
don't just add costs onto food everywhere.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Grant McCallum, are you sent me a text with your
subjects or your topics of choice for today and you
said you wanted to talk about doing battle with Chloe.
Of course, last week Shane Jones was on the show.
I don't know whether you caught up with that. He
had previously called her a demonic egg beater. I think,
and this is just off the top of my head,
because he has so many sayings. I think it was
(03:58):
a rent seeking cling on on this time, poor old Chloe.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, I don't feel too sorry for her time. It's
interesting we had who and I had crosswords twice last
week in the Select Committee over over methane emissions. The chinkers,
by time for Greens had their way, mate, they'll be
taxing methane, They'll be they'll be taxing your here and
taxing your wealth and capital games tax there'll be nothing left.
(04:22):
There wouldn't be a reason to get out of bed
in the morning. Just highlights why we've got to keep
that lot out of power. And you meet next year.
Is all about making sure we get returned, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Andrew, Oh definitely. I mean these I didn't get to
see any of that, but you know this attitude that
we've got to reduce methane down to zero. No scientists
are saying that. You know, we had a review that
was done by eminently qualified scientists, top of the game
in New Zealand being involved with the IPCC. They said, look,
(04:55):
here's the amount you need to reduce down to to
actually have no additional impact and warming. And that's where
we've set it. So it's all science based and to
achieve it, we don't need to come up with a
whole range of hair brain taxes to do it. Farmers
well on the way to achieving it. So one, if
we want to introduce extra costs and complexity into the
whole thing.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Just a couple of quickly finish on because I'm run
out of time. How are we getting on with the
hornets and Auckland there Andrew, your biosecurity minister.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, yeah, it was up there on Friday having a
look around the area in question. You know, good operation
going there. The key thing everyone's going on about the traps,
but it's actually the people on the ground that are
walking around doing the property searches that are discovering them,
and so far all the discoveries are in a pretty
(05:44):
tight knit circle. So that is sort of you know,
in one way, it's positive that they're not being found here,
there and everywhere. And you know, we've gotten some cool
technology and where we'll put some tracking technology on workers
once they emerge and be able to track them back
to the nests to be able to further eradicate them.
(06:07):
So you know, it's gonna be a you know, it's
gonna not going to be something we clean up straight away.
It'll be probably a year or two.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
How do you put a tracker on a print? How
do you put a tracker on or was it was
with tweezes.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
It's quite quite a quite a process, so it's much
easier to put an egg nake tag on account there's
various traps you've got to go through and a little
pincer thing you've got to grab them and then yeah,
it's doable. I was quite impressed with the technology and
so that's that's what they're using over in Europe to
be able to track down the nests really effectively.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And just to finish on because I do need to
wrap this. Grant McCullum, the gloves are off already in
Northland one year out from the election. You're putting the
knife into Shane Jones, the Prince of the provinces. Are you.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Scheme to allow by cats for Maryland to be landed?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So they get them dead. Marlon currently got to let
them go along with the live ones and the long
lunest think about asking me out to land them. Last
time they tried that with some swordfish in the nineties
the bycatch went from one hundred time to a thousand times.
And so we don't want that happening with Marlon and
we had a meeting or try was part of and
fully support the sports fishery people in the fact that
(07:18):
Marlin's term want to our settrup north for to be landed.
We can't have this happen again. And so another flip
flock coming from the man from marsh Old Shae the
Prince
Speaker 1 (07:28):
There we Go, Grant McCullum Andrew Hoggard Today's Farmer Politician
Panel
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