September 8, 2024 • 6 mins
Today's Farmer/Groundswell Panel pays tribute to Steve Cranston, and get stuck into local body councils and emissions taxes. Plus we ask is GS now a redundant organisation?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Shlo wait our south where the water is cold?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Very catch, isn't it? Jenny Mitchell? The song is where
the Water's cold. Jenny Mitchell's a Gore girl, not a
mile away from Gore. These two the founders of ground Swell,
Bryce Mackenzie and Lorie Patterson. Bryce, you're definitely West Otago, Laurie.
Are you Southland or West Otago?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hang on, sorry, try that again. You're from Southland? Why kaka?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, we bought the pub, remember, yes, you did.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
How is it the locals bought the pub? How's it going?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
You know it's going pretty well, certainly by the look
of it. Yeah, things have stepped up really well. So
I think they're having an Oh no, they might have
had a night at the Saturday night last or the next,
I'm not sure, but not going well.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Good on you. Let's start by paying tribute. And it
was so sad and so tragic Bryce to hear that
you lost your what was he your climates spokesperson, Steve Cranston,
Just sad.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, Jamie. He was our mission spokesman. And one thing
you could say about Steve was he did a lot
of studying of the science. He was invaluable to us. Really,
he gave a different concept of seeing things and he
was a great educator. He could talk you through issues
and help you understand. Brilliant mind, Jamie, a brilliant mind.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Sympathies go out to his family. Now, before I get
into the issues of the day, I've got to ask
you to are you too now redundant ground swear? You've
got nothing to moan about? Bryce?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Oh, come on, Jamie. There's plenty of counsels out there.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, fair enough. That would be a full time job
critique critiquing them all by themselves. But largely, Bryce or Lorrie,
largely a lot of what you were asking for has
been delivered by the new coalition government.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, yeah, lot there have been.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You've noticed that. Andrew Hagar said that DNAs and that
are on hold, but they haven't disappeared yet. So, you know,
we just want to keep a bit of pressure on
the air because section of sex the arema is where
all this problem comes from, and it just needs to
be bund court. Honestly, there's other ways of doing things.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And your local council's causing a bit of an uproar
Lorry with its sites and areas of significance to Mari,
you want to make the whole district significant.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, well that's right. Look, we haven't got a problem
with the Rnanga. They were asked by the council to
put forward a proposal and they've done that. We think
the council, while they might have crossed the ds and
dotted the eyes for all they actually have to do
to be legal, I really should have told perhaps their ratepayers,
(02:55):
for people who have to front up with all the
money all the time, we're going to new zero point
four percent increases. Yet they sure really told the road
players what might have happened to their property values and
things like that. And we had some people from up
north who were told what their bank that because they
(03:16):
had various overlays of SNAs and sausms, et cetera, that
the value of their property had reduced by thirty percent.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Well, Bryce, as you quite rightly pointed out when I
was cheekily suggesting that you boys are now redundant. The
local body councils, as I say, could be a full
time job in themselves. They need they need, And Luxelm
was right, and I see Tory Farnw was jumping up
and down saying you don't know how we feel, blah
(03:43):
blah blah. But the reality is they're running amok. They
need to cut their cloth to suit just like everybody else.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Oh yeah, they do for sure, Janie. You know, our
own Ntaga Regional Council it's been asked by government to
stop what it's doing with its land and planned, but
they're just pushing on. And I see one of the
councilors even come out and said that they've actually got
a public mandate to be doing this. Well, you know,
I went along to one of the consultation days and
(04:12):
I think they think of people turn up there they
agree with them, that they actually turn up there because
they don't agree. And you know, they're just not listening, Jamie.
They really are not the people that are affected by
their water and land and are not happy. And we
have had a lot of people contact us about it.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, no, wonder some of that nonsense they're talking about
in Central Otago, where you're insulting the mana of the
water that was one and then if it went from
one water course to another, you would be insulting somebody else.
It's been going on for hundreds of years there.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, that's right, Jamie. And if we can't do these
things by science, then why are we doing them at all.
It's like you know, your buffer zones and all sorts
of things. There's some really good scientific evidence out there
now that says what's works and what doesn't, and I'm
quite sure they haven't looked at that when they've been
growing up the plan.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Now we've been talking about the dry particularly in North Canterbury.
It seems to be sort of ice. We'll not isolated,
but it's very much concentrated on that area. The further
south you go, the weather you get, although it's been
we've had the big fires in North Otago over the weekend.
We'll probably talk to Jane Smith about that one tomorrow.
But down where you guys are, West Otago and Southland,
(05:27):
I got it right that time, Lorrie. You need mother
Nature to turn the tap off.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, you're gotty good at the moment actually, And we're
getting a bit of rain and then we're getting a
bit of heat. It never comes quite fast enough when
you want the grass to grow. But we're looking good.
And yeah, if you could just talk to your weather people, Jamie,
and you just reducing the rain fall particularly over landing
and carving, would be good.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, well you should. What's the old story. You put
the ram out and then you've got to take them
back out over the weekends so you don't have to
do lambing on the weekends. That's how you're a well
known sheep breeder, Laurie. That's how it works, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Well, the thing is, of course, we've got so many
things that we want to do that we've got to
keep taking them in and putting them out all the time.
You know, it's a real chore when the rams are out.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Janie, all right, Hey, lad's got to go because I'm
talking about the weather. Phil Duncan's just texted me saying
he's got to get to a meeting a SAP. I
better go to him. Good to hear you two are
not redundant.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Thanks Jamie.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Right out there we go, the ground swell Boys,
Shlo wait our south where the water is cold?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Very catch, isn't it? Jenny Mitchell? The song is where
the Water's cold. Jenny Mitchell's a Gore girl, not a
mile away from Gore. These two the founders of ground Swell,
Bryce Mackenzie and Lorie Patterson. Bryce, you're definitely West Otago, Laurie.
Are you Southland or West Otago?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hang on, sorry, try that again. You're from Southland? Why kaka?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, we bought the pub, remember, yes, you did.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
How is it the locals bought the pub? How's it going?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
You know it's going pretty well, certainly by the look
of it. Yeah, things have stepped up really well. So
I think they're having an Oh no, they might have
had a night at the Saturday night last or the next,
I'm not sure, but not going well.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Good on you. Let's start by paying tribute. And it
was so sad and so tragic Bryce to hear that
you lost your what was he your climates spokesperson, Steve Cranston,
Just sad.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, Jamie. He was our mission spokesman. And one thing
you could say about Steve was he did a lot
of studying of the science. He was invaluable to us. Really,
he gave a different concept of seeing things and he
was a great educator. He could talk you through issues
and help you understand. Brilliant mind, Jamie, a brilliant mind.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Sympathies go out to his family. Now, before I get
into the issues of the day, I've got to ask
you to are you too now redundant ground swear? You've
got nothing to moan about? Bryce?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Oh, come on, Jamie. There's plenty of counsels out there.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, fair enough. That would be a full time job
critique critiquing them all by themselves. But largely, Bryce or Lorrie,
largely a lot of what you were asking for has
been delivered by the new coalition government.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, yeah, lot there have been.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You've noticed that. Andrew Hagar said that DNAs and that
are on hold, but they haven't disappeared yet. So, you know,
we just want to keep a bit of pressure on
the air because section of sex the arema is where
all this problem comes from, and it just needs to
be bund court. Honestly, there's other ways of doing things.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And your local council's causing a bit of an uproar
Lorry with its sites and areas of significance to Mari,
you want to make the whole district significant.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, well that's right. Look, we haven't got a problem
with the Rnanga. They were asked by the council to
put forward a proposal and they've done that. We think
the council, while they might have crossed the ds and
dotted the eyes for all they actually have to do
to be legal, I really should have told perhaps their ratepayers,
(02:55):
for people who have to front up with all the
money all the time, we're going to new zero point
four percent increases. Yet they sure really told the road
players what might have happened to their property values and
things like that. And we had some people from up
north who were told what their bank that because they
(03:16):
had various overlays of SNAs and sausms, et cetera, that
the value of their property had reduced by thirty percent.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Well, Bryce, as you quite rightly pointed out when I
was cheekily suggesting that you boys are now redundant. The
local body councils, as I say, could be a full
time job in themselves. They need they need, And Luxelm
was right, and I see Tory Farnw was jumping up
and down saying you don't know how we feel, blah
(03:43):
blah blah. But the reality is they're running amok. They
need to cut their cloth to suit just like everybody else.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Oh yeah, they do for sure, Janie. You know, our
own Ntaga Regional Council it's been asked by government to
stop what it's doing with its land and planned, but
they're just pushing on. And I see one of the
councilors even come out and said that they've actually got
a public mandate to be doing this. Well, you know,
I went along to one of the consultation days and
(04:12):
I think they think of people turn up there they
agree with them, that they actually turn up there because
they don't agree. And you know, they're just not listening, Jamie.
They really are not the people that are affected by
their water and land and are not happy. And we
have had a lot of people contact us about it.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, no, wonder some of that nonsense they're talking about
in Central Otago, where you're insulting the mana of the
water that was one and then if it went from
one water course to another, you would be insulting somebody else.
It's been going on for hundreds of years there.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, that's right, Jamie. And if we can't do these
things by science, then why are we doing them at all.
It's like you know, your buffer zones and all sorts
of things. There's some really good scientific evidence out there
now that says what's works and what doesn't, and I'm
quite sure they haven't looked at that when they've been
growing up the plan.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Now we've been talking about the dry particularly in North Canterbury.
It seems to be sort of ice. We'll not isolated,
but it's very much concentrated on that area. The further
south you go, the weather you get, although it's been
we've had the big fires in North Otago over the weekend.
We'll probably talk to Jane Smith about that one tomorrow.
But down where you guys are, West Otago and Southland,
(05:27):
I got it right that time, Lorrie. You need mother
Nature to turn the tap off.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, you're gotty good at the moment actually, And we're
getting a bit of rain and then we're getting a
bit of heat. It never comes quite fast enough when
you want the grass to grow. But we're looking good.
And yeah, if you could just talk to your weather people, Jamie,
and you just reducing the rain fall particularly over landing
and carving, would be good.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, well you should. What's the old story. You put
the ram out and then you've got to take them
back out over the weekends so you don't have to
do lambing on the weekends. That's how you're a well
known sheep breeder, Laurie. That's how it works, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Well, the thing is, of course, we've got so many
things that we want to do that we've got to
keep taking them in and putting them out all the time.
You know, it's a real chore when the rams are out.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Janie, all right, Hey, lad's got to go because I'm
talking about the weather. Phil Duncan's just texted me saying
he's got to get to a meeting a SAP. I
better go to him. Good to hear you two are
not redundant.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Thanks Jamie.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Right out there we go, the ground swell Boys,
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