July 9, 2024 • 7 mins
The age-defying Acting PM is sitting in for PM Chris Luxon who's in Washington for the Nato Summit. Today we talk ageism, Cook Strait ferries, NATO, Matua Shane's mining escapades, and what do you do with a problem like the Greens and Darleen?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He is the acting Prime Minister, and he's seventy nine
years of age, and he's in pretty good neck, to
be fair, unlike some other world leaders. Yesterday, Winston Peters
a seventy six year old wire at the farmer road
across Cook straight. How do you reckon? You would have
gone at that a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I think that'd be a major. That's seriously physical. I mean,
I'm just reading about Rod Stewardis says that he's eighty
years of age. He's not slowing down. That's a singer,
that's so speak. It's a matter of that. A senior
advisor mine once said about three or four years ago,
Winston d'n act your age, and he's right.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Well, at least the seventy six year old farmer made
it across Cook straight, unlike our fairies. There was a
tweet out yesterday from New Zealand. First, I'm not sure
whether this emanated from you, about the pilot or the
captain of the boat or whatever he calls himself, going
to get a coffee, putting it on auto pilot and
kind of going to sleep, or someone went to sleep.
(01:00):
I couldn't get it off autopilot. Where did this rumor start?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well, I thought on the Zeelm first tweet, not my
tweet on Muzium first tweet. And I thought when I
read the response in his Zulm Herald, I thought, quaky,
that's not a denial. That's somebody who's talking about an inquiry.
Why would you need an inquiry four weeks hitting the
four weeks later into something as simple as that. This
is not complicated. And it reminds me of something I
(01:27):
said way back in nineteen eighty six when I had
an allegation about a ferry running aground temporarily in the
sounds which are preble. Was Minister Transfer at the time
denied it, but when it came out to dry doctor
be checked out later in the air, there were all
the signs and they had to admit it in the end.
So here we go again. You know, I don't know.
I'm going to find out more about it.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I come on once tonight. I don't buy that. Nothing
nothing happens at New Zealand first without your authority. You're
all over us.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You know something about you guys. I do have a team,
which is a weak way going to the parties. We
survive and We've been successful, the most successful third party
in the recent history, because we have a team that
does all these things. You think I'm offshore, I'm on
the road. I'm all over the place now handling. The
prime minister's job can be checking all these things out him.
(02:17):
There's not hours in a day to do that.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
You and I both know dictatorship's work best. Hey, I
want to talk to you about the Prime minister. Well,
you're the acting prime minister because Christopher Luxen's at the
NATO summit in Washington. But basically the world's going to
be watching Joe Biden talking about seasoned politicians age wise,
and I know you can't comment about his state, but
(02:41):
he's not really in a great state to be heading
into an election against a guy who's quicker on his
feet than him.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Look, i'm the Foreign Minister and anyone anyway politics has
in New Zealand and responsibility of not interfering with another
country's political system, whether it be small island nation or
whether the biggest economy in the world. So you trapped
me there. You know I can't say a thing.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
The world will be watching Biden is NATO, and I
don't know if you can answer this one either, but
I'll throw it out there. Will NATO be under threat
of Donald Trump? One's because it looks like he's going
to one, and it's no secret that he's not a
fan of NATO.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, the reality is that NATO, since Donald Trump had
them on about funding their defense properly, now two thirds
of them are passing the two percent mark in GDP.
Now that's really he's quite significant. There's been a dramatic
change as a consequence, and the rest will be there
very shortly. So trump statement about pulling their weight had
(03:40):
had a dramatic effect in that context. And there's no
doubt in my mind that they have realized, hang on,
we've been lying on Americans for far too long, and
one person's been prepared to say so, And here we go.
We're going into this meeting in the US with the
Native there, and they've got a far better record of
their own performance. One country is on four person GDP
(04:04):
Poland because they're right on the border of Russia. So
they realize how serious their contribution has got to be
if they want to maintain the peace and stop any
more further invasion.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Do you support a mataua Shane Jones the Prince of
the province's policies on mining or do you think he's
having a bit of a go. He loves rocking up
the Greenies, does Shane Jones.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
The reality is the transforming economy they keep on speaking
about going into the future needs critically extraction. We can't
have bachelor's so we can't have all the equipment we
need for the new economy, the new green sympathetic economy
without a thing called extraction, and you cannot have the
new transformative economy. The evs and all these things are
(04:49):
all about mining. Without them, it's all pipe dream, it's
all promises, and it's to no effect on The second
thing is that down the West Coast and other parts
of this country, where they have got a capacity to
have a far more wealthy economy, they're being shut down
by a massive majority from Auckland so to speak, or
the big cities who never ever go there. There's an
(05:10):
old saying in the Marian world, pay attention to the
people who keep the land warm. So when we're talking
to the West coast, wonder what the West Coasters want.
We don't want to find out what the Rimire and
Ponsib or b St. Mary's Bay, where I am what
they want for West coast. We want to know what
the West Coast wants. You see what's wrong of this?
And if you're talking about gold by the way, the
greatest quality of goldens countries are northern. That's an unknown fact.
(05:35):
But you've got all these people saying, oh, we want
to shut down everything. This is a speck on the rise,
and they start shouting up at the darkest state. Nothing
of this is going to happen on the darkest state.
That is truly the darkest state. That's the point as well.
But no, we've got these people who think for political peoples,
the weeconds keep on shouting out climate, climate change disaster,
(05:58):
then somehow they will have our political salvation secured. It
is so wrong. That's why the Greens and Ziela have
never been in cabinet in fifty four years.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
They're an activist party rather than a political party. They've
got a whole than vow attitude. And what do you
make of I know what you make but I'm just
going to let you off the chain once again on
Darlene Tana and the walker jumping legislation, which is your
baby isn't it.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It is my baby. But the fact that yelta is
that it is being not used by the Greens because
they say it's a matter of principle. No, it's not.
When the Alliance came into parliament. You recall that when
the Alliance came into government within three years the Greens
and Labor, so the Greens that came with them is
(06:47):
part of the alliance jumped the ship. Fitz Simon's and
Rob Donald having used Jermansen and is paid to get
into parliament, jumped ship. They didn't resign, They don't go
and find a new mandate, and they carried on this
way that they are bacted with purity. Now they didn't.
Who's the evdence for that is a guy called Winston
Peters who resigned from parliament, gave up substantial amount of
(07:08):
the super and all his other entitlements, went out there
and got a new mandate. And that's the measure of
why the walk up and bill is justified.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And Darlene Tanna should go full stop. Everyone agrees on that.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Ah, it's unbelievable that that's actually It's one portunate thing
about this is it exposed the Greens for the incompetent,
volatile claimants of performance that they.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Are Winston Peters, There's still plenty of life left in
the old dog. Thanks for some of your time today
on the country. Appreciate it well.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I forget about that old dog. You can't talk to
teach old dog's nutrients if they're smart enough. Okay,
He is the acting Prime Minister, and he's seventy nine
years of age, and he's in pretty good neck, to
be fair, unlike some other world leaders. Yesterday, Winston Peters
a seventy six year old wire at the farmer road
across Cook straight. How do you reckon? You would have
gone at that a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I think that'd be a major. That's seriously physical. I mean,
I'm just reading about Rod Stewardis says that he's eighty
years of age. He's not slowing down. That's a singer,
that's so speak. It's a matter of that. A senior
advisor mine once said about three or four years ago,
Winston d'n act your age, and he's right.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Well, at least the seventy six year old farmer made
it across Cook straight, unlike our fairies. There was a
tweet out yesterday from New Zealand. First, I'm not sure
whether this emanated from you, about the pilot or the
captain of the boat or whatever he calls himself, going
to get a coffee, putting it on auto pilot and
kind of going to sleep, or someone went to sleep.
(01:00):
I couldn't get it off autopilot. Where did this rumor start?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well, I thought on the Zeelm first tweet, not my
tweet on Muzium first tweet. And I thought when I
read the response in his Zulm Herald, I thought, quaky,
that's not a denial. That's somebody who's talking about an inquiry.
Why would you need an inquiry four weeks hitting the
four weeks later into something as simple as that. This
is not complicated. And it reminds me of something I
(01:27):
said way back in nineteen eighty six when I had
an allegation about a ferry running aground temporarily in the
sounds which are preble. Was Minister Transfer at the time
denied it, but when it came out to dry doctor
be checked out later in the air, there were all
the signs and they had to admit it in the end.
So here we go again. You know, I don't know.
I'm going to find out more about it.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I come on once tonight. I don't buy that. Nothing
nothing happens at New Zealand first without your authority. You're
all over us.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You know something about you guys. I do have a team,
which is a weak way going to the parties. We
survive and We've been successful, the most successful third party
in the recent history, because we have a team that
does all these things. You think I'm offshore, I'm on
the road. I'm all over the place now handling. The
prime minister's job can be checking all these things out him.
(02:17):
There's not hours in a day to do that.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
You and I both know dictatorship's work best. Hey, I
want to talk to you about the Prime minister. Well,
you're the acting prime minister because Christopher Luxen's at the
NATO summit in Washington. But basically the world's going to
be watching Joe Biden talking about seasoned politicians age wise,
and I know you can't comment about his state, but
(02:41):
he's not really in a great state to be heading
into an election against a guy who's quicker on his
feet than him.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Look, i'm the Foreign Minister and anyone anyway politics has
in New Zealand and responsibility of not interfering with another
country's political system, whether it be small island nation or
whether the biggest economy in the world. So you trapped
me there. You know I can't say a thing.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
The world will be watching Biden is NATO, and I
don't know if you can answer this one either, but
I'll throw it out there. Will NATO be under threat
of Donald Trump? One's because it looks like he's going
to one, and it's no secret that he's not a
fan of NATO.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, the reality is that NATO, since Donald Trump had
them on about funding their defense properly, now two thirds
of them are passing the two percent mark in GDP.
Now that's really he's quite significant. There's been a dramatic
change as a consequence, and the rest will be there
very shortly. So trump statement about pulling their weight had
(03:40):
had a dramatic effect in that context. And there's no
doubt in my mind that they have realized, hang on,
we've been lying on Americans for far too long, and
one person's been prepared to say so, And here we go.
We're going into this meeting in the US with the
Native there, and they've got a far better record of
their own performance. One country is on four person GDP
(04:04):
Poland because they're right on the border of Russia. So
they realize how serious their contribution has got to be
if they want to maintain the peace and stop any
more further invasion.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Do you support a mataua Shane Jones the Prince of
the province's policies on mining or do you think he's
having a bit of a go. He loves rocking up
the Greenies, does Shane Jones.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
The reality is the transforming economy they keep on speaking
about going into the future needs critically extraction. We can't
have bachelor's so we can't have all the equipment we
need for the new economy, the new green sympathetic economy
without a thing called extraction, and you cannot have the
new transformative economy. The evs and all these things are
(04:49):
all about mining. Without them, it's all pipe dream, it's
all promises, and it's to no effect on The second
thing is that down the West Coast and other parts
of this country, where they have got a capacity to
have a far more wealthy economy, they're being shut down
by a massive majority from Auckland so to speak, or
the big cities who never ever go there. There's an
(05:10):
old saying in the Marian world, pay attention to the
people who keep the land warm. So when we're talking
to the West coast, wonder what the West Coasters want.
We don't want to find out what the Rimire and
Ponsib or b St. Mary's Bay, where I am what
they want for West coast. We want to know what
the West Coast wants. You see what's wrong of this?
And if you're talking about gold by the way, the
greatest quality of goldens countries are northern. That's an unknown fact.
(05:35):
But you've got all these people saying, oh, we want
to shut down everything. This is a speck on the rise,
and they start shouting up at the darkest state. Nothing
of this is going to happen on the darkest state.
That is truly the darkest state. That's the point as well.
But no, we've got these people who think for political peoples,
the weeconds keep on shouting out climate, climate change disaster,
(05:58):
then somehow they will have our political salvation secured. It
is so wrong. That's why the Greens and Ziela have
never been in cabinet in fifty four years.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
They're an activist party rather than a political party. They've
got a whole than vow attitude. And what do you
make of I know what you make but I'm just
going to let you off the chain once again on
Darlene Tana and the walker jumping legislation, which is your
baby isn't it.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It is my baby. But the fact that yelta is
that it is being not used by the Greens because
they say it's a matter of principle. No, it's not.
When the Alliance came into parliament. You recall that when
the Alliance came into government within three years the Greens
and Labor, so the Greens that came with them is
(06:47):
part of the alliance jumped the ship. Fitz Simon's and
Rob Donald having used Jermansen and is paid to get
into parliament, jumped ship. They didn't resign, They don't go
and find a new mandate, and they carried on this
way that they are bacted with purity. Now they didn't.
Who's the evdence for that is a guy called Winston
Peters who resigned from parliament, gave up substantial amount of
(07:08):
the super and all his other entitlements, went out there
and got a new mandate. And that's the measure of
why the walk up and bill is justified.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And Darlene Tanna should go full stop. Everyone agrees on that.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Ah, it's unbelievable that that's actually It's one portunate thing
about this is it exposed the Greens for the incompetent,
volatile claimants of performance that they.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Are Winston Peters, There's still plenty of life left in
the old dog. Thanks for some of your time today
on the country. Appreciate it well.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I forget about that old dog. You can't talk to
teach old dog's nutrients if they're smart enough. Okay,
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