June 15, 2025 • 8 mins
Today’s farmer/politician panel look back on a great week at Fieldays.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is today's farmer panel. In fact, they're a farmer
politician panel. Andrew Hoggard, Manuwatu Cowcocky Associate AGG Minister of Biosecurity,
and Grant McCullum, MP for Northland, National MP for Northland.
Now you two have been having a sleepover. Should I
be worried? Andrew? You're in Hamilton today for the opening
of the trans Tasman flights to and from Hamilton. Do
(00:23):
you have the quasi Minister for the North Island, Grant McCullum,
there to cut the ribbon?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
No?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
No, no, no, I think I'm the only one doing
ribbon cutting today.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Did you hear the private he put me in my
place when you asked that question. He just said, no.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I want to come back to the debate because I
thought a couple of the Nats in it were actually
quite outstanding. But let's talk about the issues of the day.
And Andrew Hoggard, you raise a good one. And I
watched Q and A yesterday with Jack Taman. I thought
it was one of the best Q and as I've
seen him do. He did have Steve eve Able on
(01:00):
the Greens AGG spokesperson who wants to shove agg back
into the ets. All I can say is God save
New Zealand. If that lot get anywhere near the treasury benches.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I couldn't agree more. I mean, one of the useful
things that one of the few useful things that came
out of the heat Walker. You can know a debate
was some decent cost benefit analysis on what would happen,
and it quite clearly showed he Walker you can know
I was going to slash twenty percent of their sheet
and beef production. But Etes was even worse. So why
(01:33):
anyone would even think about considering taxing the most efficient
emissions efficient farmers in the world is absolutely beyond me.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Grant McCallum.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
It was shoved production off shore.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Absolutely, Grant McCallum. The Greens have absolutely no idea.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I could agree more, mate. This will make you smile
about My daughter was their ease at the field days
on the weekend. So on Thursday and when Scott Willis
got up, she stood up and asked how to go
at him about inherance taxes. Whilst obviously I think they're
a stupid idea, I just wonder if this might be
some self interest floating around on that question.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But you know, but that I'd be worried, and I'd
be worried. What's your back?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Hey, don't worry Grant. She's not awoken that like you.
She's she's extreme right, she's going to join Andrew in
the Act party.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
There.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Look some of the announcements at field days we had,
for instance, at the Rabobank breakfast on when was that
Thursday morning? Wasn't it? All the days sort of melt
into one, don't they? But Thursday morning Nikola Wallis with
the wall Carpets and Kyanga Kayanger Aura. Is this a
great move that will save the wall industry Andrew? Or
is it a bit of virtue signaling? Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Well, it's a good move. And it was even more
pleasing in that announcement that you know, the wall Carpet
made it there on its merits, not any sort of
push from government, just making sure that officials were looking
wider than just their preconceived ideas. Will it change the
wool industry? It'll help, But I think that fundamental change
(03:06):
needs to occur within. There's some long standing issues there
and I think farmers know what they are, so I
think there's you know, there needs to be a much
more United industry, and yeah, more of a streamlined approach
to how it all works.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Okay, But ultimately, guys and I know you're both cowcockies.
Although Grant you used to be a sheep farmer. Strong
Wol's never going to come right until we get some
other significant use for it other than carpets.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I agree, it was ultimately, Jane, when we ninety ninety three,
we had five thousand years, we sold it switched to
milking cows, right, and we were getting five dollars a
kilos across bed wall back then in ninety ninety three,
even just using inflation, what does that bring it Probably
north of ten grand now ten dollars a kilo. Sorry,
So you know, it just shows and that's just that
(03:54):
that wasn't a lot of money back then either. So
it really there's going to be a fundamental shift of
finding some real value you and crossbred wall. And it's
great to see the announce that we've done because it'll
give using it in our local houses and so forth,
But there has to be a fundamental shift in the
value of the product.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Andrew, a couple of your announcements at field Days, one
around foot and mouth disease and one around nature credits,
which was the most exciting.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I think in terms of both important, but for me
the foot and mouth is probably the more critical one
in terms of getting that operational agreement signed and everyone
on the same page as to what we'd do if
it were. Hopefully it never happens, but to get here,
my understanding is those discussions have been happening for about
(04:40):
eighteen years or so. So I said a target when
I got in that I wanted it sorted in a year.
Took slightly more than a year, but got it done,
so I was pretty bloody chuffed with that. And yeah,
nature credits stuff. It's sort of all about trying to
provide some value for those farmers that choose not to
(05:03):
plant parts of the farm out in exotic pine, that
there's their extra value there recognizing the bio diversity that
occurs with natives, but also some of the other projects
that farmers might want to be taking, or catchment care
groups and the like might want to be doing on
their farms. Any landowner really and just you know, apparently
(05:24):
there's a big demand out there for companies and philanthropists
wanting to back projects like this, So this is you know,
we're looking into how can we create a system and
what's government's role in it for being able to stand
something up in that space.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Okay, Well, the one sensible comment I think Steve Abele
made on Q and a Grant McCallum was the fact
that we can't plant our way out of pollution with
pine trees. He's right on that.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Ultimately, yes, we've got to. Ultimately, if we're going to
address the whole warming challenges, we need to reduce our
missions over time and that will have I think, just
through technological change and the great great moves like the
solar the more and more farmers using solar on farm,
which just makes so much sense. And we had an
announcement about that, Simon Wat's announced them of byas and
(06:10):
so forth to help there, and ASB came out with
a one hundred, one hundred and fifty thousand dollars interest
free loans for five years to build solar. Those are
the sorts of things that will shift the dial. The
planting trees really only just kicked the can down the road.
But putting my blue Green hat on and from the
chair of the Blue Greens National Party and I startly
endorsed the Nature credits. It's great to have that choice
(06:32):
on the farm self farmers and get benefits for looking
after the native bush on their property.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Grant McCallum Northland cleaned up on the Ahufena Awards.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
They sure did, and I was so proud of our
team that night. The Funner I and Night Tomma Trust
from up the Coast Bull Farming Outfit group did in
an amazing job. And then young Kobe Warmington got the
Young Mardy Farmer of the Ward Year award. So proud
of them all. It's great they have some positive news
coming out of Orphan because we we've got a lot
(07:00):
of good things happening up here and I'm delighted. So
I'm looking forward to going visiting the farm in the
near future.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
All right. Just to finish on Rural Support Trust, Mike
Green and his team raising over three hundred thousand dollars
and they had that big dinner slash debate on Wednesday night.
Far roast. Yeah, it was a roast, five hundred and
forty three people in the Claudlands Events Center and I'll
tell you what I thought. A couple of nts excelled
(07:27):
in the debating team. I knew James Meager would be
good because he's a guy on the way up. Grant
you're lucky he's in the South Island or else he'd
be the North Island minister. So he's a young guy
on the way up, but representing the North Island and
the debate. I thought Sue's redmain was outstanding.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I completely agree, did a fantastic job. Yeah, some of
the lines. The one line are about about giving James
the hard time about hunting for a wife I thought
was really classic actually, but the best line of the
night did come to the Prime Minister. You know that,
don't you? Jamie when he when he talked talked up
the great radio host of the evening, the best break
(08:05):
rural country host and the host of the rural radio
in the country and asked where Andy Thompson was. I
don't know. That was quite quite the nicety entertainment, wasn't it, Jamie?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Were you there? Andrew?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Was another function. I'll make sure I've had it next
year though, in.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
All serious James, a great function, great fundraise. I really
applaud everyone involved for a great course. So thanks everyone
for what they did.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Well, you need to get in early because I think
they're going to make this an annual event now and
it looks like it could be sell out. Well done
to all those involved in the Rural Support Trust three
hundred thousand dollars plus and it's going to be every
cent of it's going to be needed. All right, Andrew Haggart,
you keep up your good work as your ministerial position
and grant you can live and hope. Jamie, I want
(08:52):
to ring your daughter, see you later.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Bye, see you good.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Right,
It is today's farmer panel. In fact, they're a farmer
politician panel. Andrew Hoggard, Manuwatu Cowcocky Associate AGG Minister of Biosecurity,
and Grant McCullum, MP for Northland, National MP for Northland.
Now you two have been having a sleepover. Should I
be worried? Andrew? You're in Hamilton today for the opening
of the trans Tasman flights to and from Hamilton. Do
(00:23):
you have the quasi Minister for the North Island, Grant McCullum,
there to cut the ribbon?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
No?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
No, no, no, I think I'm the only one doing
ribbon cutting today.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Did you hear the private he put me in my
place when you asked that question. He just said, no.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I want to come back to the debate because I
thought a couple of the Nats in it were actually
quite outstanding. But let's talk about the issues of the day.
And Andrew Hoggard, you raise a good one. And I
watched Q and A yesterday with Jack Taman. I thought
it was one of the best Q and as I've
seen him do. He did have Steve eve Able on
(01:00):
the Greens AGG spokesperson who wants to shove agg back
into the ets. All I can say is God save
New Zealand. If that lot get anywhere near the treasury benches.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I couldn't agree more. I mean, one of the useful
things that one of the few useful things that came
out of the heat Walker. You can know a debate
was some decent cost benefit analysis on what would happen,
and it quite clearly showed he Walker you can know
I was going to slash twenty percent of their sheet
and beef production. But Etes was even worse. So why
(01:33):
anyone would even think about considering taxing the most efficient
emissions efficient farmers in the world is absolutely beyond me.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Grant McCallum.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
It was shoved production off shore.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Absolutely, Grant McCallum. The Greens have absolutely no idea.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I could agree more, mate. This will make you smile
about My daughter was their ease at the field days
on the weekend. So on Thursday and when Scott Willis
got up, she stood up and asked how to go
at him about inherance taxes. Whilst obviously I think they're
a stupid idea, I just wonder if this might be
some self interest floating around on that question.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But you know, but that I'd be worried, and I'd
be worried. What's your back?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Hey, don't worry Grant. She's not awoken that like you.
She's she's extreme right, she's going to join Andrew in
the Act party.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
There.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Look some of the announcements at field days we had,
for instance, at the Rabobank breakfast on when was that
Thursday morning? Wasn't it? All the days sort of melt
into one, don't they? But Thursday morning Nikola Wallis with
the wall Carpets and Kyanga Kayanger Aura. Is this a
great move that will save the wall industry Andrew? Or
is it a bit of virtue signaling? Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Well, it's a good move. And it was even more
pleasing in that announcement that you know, the wall Carpet
made it there on its merits, not any sort of
push from government, just making sure that officials were looking
wider than just their preconceived ideas. Will it change the
wool industry? It'll help, But I think that fundamental change
(03:06):
needs to occur within. There's some long standing issues there
and I think farmers know what they are, so I
think there's you know, there needs to be a much
more United industry, and yeah, more of a streamlined approach
to how it all works.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Okay, But ultimately, guys and I know you're both cowcockies.
Although Grant you used to be a sheep farmer. Strong
Wol's never going to come right until we get some
other significant use for it other than carpets.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I agree, it was ultimately, Jane, when we ninety ninety three,
we had five thousand years, we sold it switched to
milking cows, right, and we were getting five dollars a
kilos across bed wall back then in ninety ninety three,
even just using inflation, what does that bring it Probably
north of ten grand now ten dollars a kilo. Sorry,
So you know, it just shows and that's just that
(03:54):
that wasn't a lot of money back then either. So
it really there's going to be a fundamental shift of
finding some real value you and crossbred wall. And it's
great to see the announce that we've done because it'll
give using it in our local houses and so forth,
But there has to be a fundamental shift in the
value of the product.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Andrew, a couple of your announcements at field Days, one
around foot and mouth disease and one around nature credits,
which was the most exciting.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I think in terms of both important, but for me
the foot and mouth is probably the more critical one
in terms of getting that operational agreement signed and everyone
on the same page as to what we'd do if
it were. Hopefully it never happens, but to get here,
my understanding is those discussions have been happening for about
(04:40):
eighteen years or so. So I said a target when
I got in that I wanted it sorted in a year.
Took slightly more than a year, but got it done,
so I was pretty bloody chuffed with that. And yeah,
nature credits stuff. It's sort of all about trying to
provide some value for those farmers that choose not to
(05:03):
plant parts of the farm out in exotic pine, that
there's their extra value there recognizing the bio diversity that
occurs with natives, but also some of the other projects
that farmers might want to be taking, or catchment care
groups and the like might want to be doing on
their farms. Any landowner really and just you know, apparently
(05:24):
there's a big demand out there for companies and philanthropists
wanting to back projects like this, So this is you know,
we're looking into how can we create a system and
what's government's role in it for being able to stand
something up in that space.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Okay, Well, the one sensible comment I think Steve Abele
made on Q and a Grant McCallum was the fact
that we can't plant our way out of pollution with
pine trees. He's right on that.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Ultimately, yes, we've got to. Ultimately, if we're going to
address the whole warming challenges, we need to reduce our
missions over time and that will have I think, just
through technological change and the great great moves like the
solar the more and more farmers using solar on farm,
which just makes so much sense. And we had an
announcement about that, Simon Wat's announced them of byas and
(06:10):
so forth to help there, and ASB came out with
a one hundred, one hundred and fifty thousand dollars interest
free loans for five years to build solar. Those are
the sorts of things that will shift the dial. The
planting trees really only just kicked the can down the road.
But putting my blue Green hat on and from the
chair of the Blue Greens National Party and I startly
endorsed the Nature credits. It's great to have that choice
(06:32):
on the farm self farmers and get benefits for looking
after the native bush on their property.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Grant McCallum Northland cleaned up on the Ahufena Awards.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
They sure did, and I was so proud of our
team that night. The Funner I and Night Tomma Trust
from up the Coast Bull Farming Outfit group did in
an amazing job. And then young Kobe Warmington got the
Young Mardy Farmer of the Ward Year award. So proud
of them all. It's great they have some positive news
coming out of Orphan because we we've got a lot
(07:00):
of good things happening up here and I'm delighted. So
I'm looking forward to going visiting the farm in the
near future.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
All right. Just to finish on Rural Support Trust, Mike
Green and his team raising over three hundred thousand dollars
and they had that big dinner slash debate on Wednesday night.
Far roast. Yeah, it was a roast, five hundred and
forty three people in the Claudlands Events Center and I'll
tell you what I thought. A couple of nts excelled
(07:27):
in the debating team. I knew James Meager would be
good because he's a guy on the way up. Grant
you're lucky he's in the South Island or else he'd
be the North Island minister. So he's a young guy
on the way up, but representing the North Island and
the debate. I thought Sue's redmain was outstanding.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I completely agree, did a fantastic job. Yeah, some of
the lines. The one line are about about giving James
the hard time about hunting for a wife I thought
was really classic actually, but the best line of the
night did come to the Prime Minister. You know that,
don't you? Jamie when he when he talked talked up
the great radio host of the evening, the best break
(08:05):
rural country host and the host of the rural radio
in the country and asked where Andy Thompson was. I
don't know. That was quite quite the nicety entertainment, wasn't it, Jamie?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Were you there? Andrew?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Was another function. I'll make sure I've had it next
year though, in.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
All serious James, a great function, great fundraise. I really
applaud everyone involved for a great course. So thanks everyone
for what they did.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Well, you need to get in early because I think
they're going to make this an annual event now and
it looks like it could be sell out. Well done
to all those involved in the Rural Support Trust three
hundred thousand dollars plus and it's going to be every
cent of it's going to be needed. All right, Andrew Haggart,
you keep up your good work as your ministerial position
and grant you can live and hope. Jamie, I want
(08:52):
to ring your daughter, see you later.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Bye, see you good.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Right,
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