June 17, 2025 • 10 mins
The NZ First leader and former Deputy PM steps in for the PM who's doing the business in China. We talk about the perilous state of the world geopolitically, a trade deal with Indonesia, missing Fieldays, his political adversaries, the Green Party and the Green Parrot.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Great to have Winston Peters, New Zealand first leader, former
Deputy Prime Minister, kicking off the show in Winston, I
don't want to be agist here, but you've been around
for a long time. The world as we know is
in a constant state of flux. But g it's unsettled
at the moment. And I heard you quoted or I
read about you being quoted, couldn't agree more that we're
in the worst space we've been since the Cuban missile
(00:23):
crisis of nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Well, the reality is that, you know, in post war
the geostrategic circumstance has never been so bad. And what
we do where New Zealand's are concerned is very important
about being cautious and keeping our counsel and waiting to
see what develops. But you know, you've got all sorts
of people expecting us to do miracles from this far
(00:48):
away from the center of the strife in the Middle East,
And all I am saying is that the circumstances developing there,
which I believe will not last as long as some
spect let us think it'll be over. I think in
a couple of weeks, and hopefully that will Peter and
Carmell break out of the consequence.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Well, you're talking about something being over in a couple
of weeks. I'm assuming you're referring Israel Arahan. There are
lots of other conflicts around the world that aren't going
to be over in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, but that's the current and that's got the concentration
of people at the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Now, you mentioned the people who don't like your foreign
policy or the government's foreign policy. They include former Prime
Minister Helen Clark who you worked with, Don Brash, former
National Party leader. In fact, you have been quoted as
saying that critics of the government's foreign policy reset are
ill informed and shouting impotently at the clouds. Didn't you
(01:47):
steal that one liner from Chippy who accused you of
being an angry old man shouting at the clouds.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
No, No, he borrowed that from some social media opponent.
But I'm saying that here we've got a circle stance
where on for examples, on example August pillar two, both
those two people Brash and Clark, that you recite after
the August twenty twenty one when De Sinda Adern signed
(02:14):
up to looking at it all to studying the possibility
of August pillar two if we were invited. Didn't there
word until after the twenty three election, So for two
years they were out of the silent and all of
a sudden, all of a sudden, they've got an alarm
about what's happened, and what's happened at this point in
time is nothing's happened. So they have not been updated,
(02:36):
they have not been briefed for sixteen or more years.
And I'm just saying to them, why don't you leave
people who are in the center of the action, who
are getting all the information to their critical need and
upon which used to rely when you were associated with
foreign affairs, but apparently not lying about that on that
information at all, You're just relying upon your own bias,
and it might work. They've talked about China for example,
(02:59):
now rationing of the time well ambassador for Time and
recently said that our relationships are in an excellent situation.
You see what I mean. So you've got all this
alarmism going on, not justified, and the unphazed, uneducated media
of just carrying this information.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
When was the last time you missed field days and
you had a pretty good excuse. It wasn't the dog
ate my homework. It was the fact that you were
doing work for US, trade work for US in France, Rome,
and you did get a bit of a breakthrough in Indonesia.
But going back to my original question, when was the
last time you missed Field Days?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I can't remember. I've been going to field Days for years.
But you know I was in Neesia at the very
same time signing up to the Halal deal, which is
big for our farming community and our exports, which we've
been working on for decades. So this is a serious
achievement that are getting your headlines. And no was anybody
in the media concerned about it. No, this is the
first time you're actually hearing about it on your show.
See what's wrong with our country? So you got all
(03:59):
the effort to ensure that this dynamic industry called pot
production and reaching our export levels of sixty billion, critical
to our future, can go forward, and none of the
positive headlines of any value to the mainstream media.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Now we broadcast at Field Days for three days in
a prime position just inside the main doors of the pavilion.
The biggest of the man who drew the biggest crowd
or the person, let's be politically correct, Winston who drew
the biggest crowd was none other than your deputy, the
Prince of the Province's Martua, Shane Jones. Yet at those
said same field days, Federated Farmers came out with their
(04:39):
pole national rocketing ahead fifty four percent support from the
Farmers Act nineteen New Zealand First eight Labour Greens and
to party. Mary got nothing and that's probably deserved. Why
aren't you getting better support from the farmers, because I'll
give it to you and Shane, you've been good supporters
of them.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yes, but here's the point you see on your show
and other shows and provincial radios. Highly depends upon the
prime production, farming community and all those associated industries. When
did they ever recite the fact that the National Party,
supported by Act signed up to the Paris Accord? Do
you remember that to a minute was the don Key
(05:20):
and Paul Bennett that did that? And here the farmers
stealing about what it all means and not even taking
any regard for who put them in that situation. You
get my point now, So all we can do is
go out to the provinces as we will in the
following months and pack the halls and tell people the truth.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Part of your election campaign will be to get us
out of Paris. Are you shouting at clouds there?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
No, I'm not saying getting out of Paris. I'm saying
to everybody, hang on, if four countries beginning with dover
thirty percent from China and then India and then Russia
and the United States are not involved in this, on
what possible basis can we think that MW Zealand's going
to help or we're going to just do this, sacrifice
(06:04):
our economy, sacrifice our wealth, sending ourselves to the third
world without questioning why if we can't get them incorporated,
are we being bound this way? Why are we not
saying them all a you in or you're not in?
But no, we're out here virtue singing because a whole
lot of lefty shills think this is a good idea,
regardless of the fact that the very industries that keep
them alive are going to be imperiled if we go
(06:26):
down that pathway without questioning what's happening.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Well, I think if the farmers are listening to that,
they might have changed their vote. Hey, just a final
word perhaps.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Some hang on, hang on right where you go? That's
my very point. How come they're hearing it for the
first time? It sais now been years on since they
went to Paris and right, so here's the point. Why
are they hearing it for the first time? Anyway, better
later than never.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Let me just finish on your political adversaries, and there's
been a lot of those over the years. But are
your favorite targets at the moment their mind as well?
The Greens and to Party Mari. I saw the Greens
ag culture guy on Jack Tame. Heaven help Farming if
they get anywhere near the treasury benches. I think To
Party Maori are even worse. See, I reckon, you're going
(07:09):
to win the selection by default, that is, of course, Winston,
unless Labor gets a new leader and you decide to
go with them.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Oh you see, here we go again. Now, are you
out there spreading rumor?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
No not, I'm just putting it out there, as.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Every farmer say, spreading rumor with malice. The fact of
the matter is that the Farming Commite should understand that
in his universit, we've got a very very strong farming base.
We've got critical people like Shane Jones, like Mark Patterson,
like myself, will come up a dairy farm or different
farms and know a bit about the farming community and
have always represented and defended them to the hilt. That's
(07:48):
the only reason why we kept the Paris under control
in the last seventy twenty twenty period. The monk we've
gone it went heywhy so here we are saying to
the National Party and saying that the two others in
Parliament tell me, how can we achieve these things if
the critical economies are over sixty percent of the missions
(08:10):
as we speak and are not part of the process.
Just stop virtue singing and look at our economic future
and our chance of recovery being utterly imperilled if the
people on the left get their way.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Oh, I might bottle that, Hey, when you flew home
from France and Indonesia, did you read your Senter's book?
Did you get a mention?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
No? I haven't read the book, and I won't be.
I've seen filamenty politicians write books, and an extraordinary thing
is how they seek to recorrect history. I can go
through countless politicians books and blow them apart page by page.
But I'm too busy doing a job for the taxpayer.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Hey, when you finally retire, if that ever indeed happens,
yours would be a great read.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Well, here's the point, I ask yourself, if you're working
with college and associates who are keeping private notes at night,
intending to write about the confidential conversations you had in
the day, during those days and during those weeks of
all the time you're working with them, would you actually
trust them? Would you share with them the conference if
you knew they were writing a book about it? Well,
(09:18):
I don't think that that's right.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
All right, Weeton Peter's thanks for your time. I could
chat to you all day. I haven't got all day.
If there was a chapter on Winston Peters and people
he met at the Green Parrot, I think that would
be a good read. I thank you very much for
your time.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Now why did you say that part? And for the
fact is the Green Parrot is a barometer of this country.
A lot of these restaurants are closing down because so
much of the Willington planning as anti business and anti car.
That's a local government issue, but it's also a local
government issue allowed by meddling central and government.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And we all love the green parrot, white buttered bread
and black sauce. You can't pay it when Ston Peter's
got to go.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Your cheers for
Great to have Winston Peters, New Zealand first leader, former
Deputy Prime Minister, kicking off the show in Winston, I
don't want to be agist here, but you've been around
for a long time. The world as we know is
in a constant state of flux. But g it's unsettled
at the moment. And I heard you quoted or I
read about you being quoted, couldn't agree more that we're
in the worst space we've been since the Cuban missile
(00:23):
crisis of nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Well, the reality is that, you know, in post war
the geostrategic circumstance has never been so bad. And what
we do where New Zealand's are concerned is very important
about being cautious and keeping our counsel and waiting to
see what develops. But you know, you've got all sorts
of people expecting us to do miracles from this far
(00:48):
away from the center of the strife in the Middle East,
And all I am saying is that the circumstances developing there,
which I believe will not last as long as some
spect let us think it'll be over. I think in
a couple of weeks, and hopefully that will Peter and
Carmell break out of the consequence.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Well, you're talking about something being over in a couple
of weeks. I'm assuming you're referring Israel Arahan. There are
lots of other conflicts around the world that aren't going
to be over in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, but that's the current and that's got the concentration
of people at the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Now, you mentioned the people who don't like your foreign
policy or the government's foreign policy. They include former Prime
Minister Helen Clark who you worked with, Don Brash, former
National Party leader. In fact, you have been quoted as
saying that critics of the government's foreign policy reset are
ill informed and shouting impotently at the clouds. Didn't you
(01:47):
steal that one liner from Chippy who accused you of
being an angry old man shouting at the clouds.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
No, No, he borrowed that from some social media opponent.
But I'm saying that here we've got a circle stance
where on for examples, on example August pillar two, both
those two people Brash and Clark, that you recite after
the August twenty twenty one when De Sinda Adern signed
(02:14):
up to looking at it all to studying the possibility
of August pillar two if we were invited. Didn't there
word until after the twenty three election, So for two
years they were out of the silent and all of
a sudden, all of a sudden, they've got an alarm
about what's happened, and what's happened at this point in
time is nothing's happened. So they have not been updated,
(02:36):
they have not been briefed for sixteen or more years.
And I'm just saying to them, why don't you leave
people who are in the center of the action, who
are getting all the information to their critical need and
upon which used to rely when you were associated with
foreign affairs, but apparently not lying about that on that
information at all, You're just relying upon your own bias,
and it might work. They've talked about China for example,
(02:59):
now rationing of the time well ambassador for Time and
recently said that our relationships are in an excellent situation.
You see what I mean. So you've got all this
alarmism going on, not justified, and the unphazed, uneducated media
of just carrying this information.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
When was the last time you missed field days and
you had a pretty good excuse. It wasn't the dog
ate my homework. It was the fact that you were
doing work for US, trade work for US in France, Rome,
and you did get a bit of a breakthrough in Indonesia.
But going back to my original question, when was the
last time you missed Field Days?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I can't remember. I've been going to field Days for years.
But you know I was in Neesia at the very
same time signing up to the Halal deal, which is
big for our farming community and our exports, which we've
been working on for decades. So this is a serious
achievement that are getting your headlines. And no was anybody
in the media concerned about it. No, this is the
first time you're actually hearing about it on your show.
See what's wrong with our country? So you got all
(03:59):
the effort to ensure that this dynamic industry called pot
production and reaching our export levels of sixty billion, critical
to our future, can go forward, and none of the
positive headlines of any value to the mainstream media.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Now we broadcast at Field Days for three days in
a prime position just inside the main doors of the pavilion.
The biggest of the man who drew the biggest crowd
or the person, let's be politically correct, Winston who drew
the biggest crowd was none other than your deputy, the
Prince of the Province's Martua, Shane Jones. Yet at those
said same field days, Federated Farmers came out with their
(04:39):
pole national rocketing ahead fifty four percent support from the
Farmers Act nineteen New Zealand First eight Labour Greens and
to party. Mary got nothing and that's probably deserved. Why
aren't you getting better support from the farmers, because I'll
give it to you and Shane, you've been good supporters
of them.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yes, but here's the point you see on your show
and other shows and provincial radios. Highly depends upon the
prime production, farming community and all those associated industries. When
did they ever recite the fact that the National Party,
supported by Act signed up to the Paris Accord? Do
you remember that to a minute was the don Key
(05:20):
and Paul Bennett that did that? And here the farmers
stealing about what it all means and not even taking
any regard for who put them in that situation. You
get my point now, So all we can do is
go out to the provinces as we will in the
following months and pack the halls and tell people the truth.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Part of your election campaign will be to get us
out of Paris. Are you shouting at clouds there?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
No, I'm not saying getting out of Paris. I'm saying
to everybody, hang on, if four countries beginning with dover
thirty percent from China and then India and then Russia
and the United States are not involved in this, on
what possible basis can we think that MW Zealand's going
to help or we're going to just do this, sacrifice
(06:04):
our economy, sacrifice our wealth, sending ourselves to the third
world without questioning why if we can't get them incorporated,
are we being bound this way? Why are we not
saying them all a you in or you're not in?
But no, we're out here virtue singing because a whole
lot of lefty shills think this is a good idea,
regardless of the fact that the very industries that keep
them alive are going to be imperiled if we go
(06:26):
down that pathway without questioning what's happening.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Well, I think if the farmers are listening to that,
they might have changed their vote. Hey, just a final
word perhaps.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Some hang on, hang on right where you go? That's
my very point. How come they're hearing it for the
first time? It sais now been years on since they
went to Paris and right, so here's the point. Why
are they hearing it for the first time? Anyway, better
later than never.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Let me just finish on your political adversaries, and there's
been a lot of those over the years. But are
your favorite targets at the moment their mind as well?
The Greens and to Party Mari. I saw the Greens
ag culture guy on Jack Tame. Heaven help Farming if
they get anywhere near the treasury benches. I think To
Party Maori are even worse. See, I reckon, you're going
(07:09):
to win the selection by default, that is, of course, Winston,
unless Labor gets a new leader and you decide to
go with them.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Oh you see, here we go again. Now, are you
out there spreading rumor?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
No not, I'm just putting it out there, as.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Every farmer say, spreading rumor with malice. The fact of
the matter is that the Farming Commite should understand that
in his universit, we've got a very very strong farming base.
We've got critical people like Shane Jones, like Mark Patterson,
like myself, will come up a dairy farm or different
farms and know a bit about the farming community and
have always represented and defended them to the hilt. That's
(07:48):
the only reason why we kept the Paris under control
in the last seventy twenty twenty period. The monk we've
gone it went heywhy so here we are saying to
the National Party and saying that the two others in
Parliament tell me, how can we achieve these things if
the critical economies are over sixty percent of the missions
(08:10):
as we speak and are not part of the process.
Just stop virtue singing and look at our economic future
and our chance of recovery being utterly imperilled if the
people on the left get their way.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Oh, I might bottle that, Hey, when you flew home
from France and Indonesia, did you read your Senter's book?
Did you get a mention?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
No? I haven't read the book, and I won't be.
I've seen filamenty politicians write books, and an extraordinary thing
is how they seek to recorrect history. I can go
through countless politicians books and blow them apart page by page.
But I'm too busy doing a job for the taxpayer.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Hey, when you finally retire, if that ever indeed happens,
yours would be a great read.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Well, here's the point, I ask yourself, if you're working
with college and associates who are keeping private notes at night,
intending to write about the confidential conversations you had in
the day, during those days and during those weeks of
all the time you're working with them, would you actually
trust them? Would you share with them the conference if
you knew they were writing a book about it? Well,
(09:18):
I don't think that that's right.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
All right, Weeton Peter's thanks for your time. I could
chat to you all day. I haven't got all day.
If there was a chapter on Winston Peters and people
he met at the Green Parrot, I think that would
be a good read. I thank you very much for
your time.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Now why did you say that part? And for the
fact is the Green Parrot is a barometer of this country.
A lot of these restaurants are closing down because so
much of the Willington planning as anti business and anti car.
That's a local government issue, but it's also a local
government issue allowed by meddling central and government.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And we all love the green parrot, white buttered bread
and black sauce. You can't pay it when Ston Peter's
got to go.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Your cheers for
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